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My name is Madeline Burke and 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: recently I headed out to the Bay Area where leading 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: into Super Bowl Week, I sat down with a panel 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: of women who are changing the future of flag football. 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the conversation and. 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: I am so thrilled to be here today with this 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: incredible panel as we celebrate the women who are shaping 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: the future of sport, the future of football, and primarily 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 2: the future of flag football. To my left, here we've 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: got Katie Sowers. She's a five time national champion defensive 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: coordinator for women's flag football team at Ottawa University. Former 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: NFL coach Katie Sours. We've got Venita Crouch, a four 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: time International Federation of American Football Gold medalist Team USA 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 2: quarterback and colloquially known as the Tom Brady of flag football. 20 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: And we've got Daisy Throckmorton, the Max Preps California Player 21 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: of the Year, who most recently got to participate in 22 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,639 Speaker 2: the flag football event at the twenty twenty six NFL 23 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: Pro Bowl. I am thrilled to be here. We've got 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: quite the panel up here today. But first of all, 25 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to start with you, Katie on this. We've 26 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 2: seen a real breakout moment, it seems for women's sports, 27 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: and especially over the last five years, it has. 28 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: Gone from zero to one hundred. As somebody who's been 29 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 3: a part of the game of football for so long, 30 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: was there a moment that you registered, Wow, this is 31 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: really starting to gain some intraction. Yeah, you know, starting 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. Actually, I think you guys remember the pandemic, right, Actually, 33 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: a crazy thing happened when it came to women in sports, 34 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: so nothing was on TV. You guys probably remember was 35 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 3: waiting for something like someone play please? And who was 36 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: the first group to actually start playing? Do you guys remember? 37 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 3: It was women's soccer and that happened to be a 38 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 3: reason why a game was nationally televised. And surprisingly enough, 39 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 3: when it's nationally televised, more people see it, more people 40 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: are interested, and this idea that women's sports is growing 41 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden it's here. It's been here, 42 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: we just haven't been getting the fans that are out 43 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: there that are hungry for this game. Visibility is so 44 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: so important. I know we'll probably talk a lot about 45 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: that today, but I think it's the driving force behind 46 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: where we are today and how far we're going to go. 47 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 3: Is just the reality that there's finally investment, there's finally visibility, 48 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: and with that comes revenue, comes at the product, and 49 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 3: it comes to fans. And absolutely the visibility is important. 50 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: The representation is important, Banita, when you started, you know, 51 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 3: playing football, obviously you played a lot of sports growing up. 52 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: You went to SMU to play basketball, but when you 53 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: started playing flag football, you were playing with men. Now 54 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: that you see there are so many opportunities for women 55 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 3: and girls to play in a space that is for them, 56 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 3: what does that mean. 57 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 4: I think it's a special time that we have a 58 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 4: space for us. We all kind of grew up seeing 59 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 4: Friday night lights, high school football, Saturday college football, Sunday NFL, 60 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 4: and we just never felt that space was our space. 61 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 4: And so as madelis that, I think representation matters if 62 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 4: you see it you can be it. And I feel 63 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 4: like with the visibility that you know, Kate was saying 64 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 4: that we're getting in the investors, having the NFL stand 65 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 4: behind us, having USA Football and IFAF and everybody making 66 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 4: it more visible. You guys are seeing that, hey, one 67 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 4: day I could be in those shoes. We're going to 68 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 4: be competing in the LA twenty twenty eight Olympics. That's 69 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 4: a dream that I want, I'm sure Daisy wants, and 70 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 4: I'm sure you guys want so the visibility of it 71 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 4: and it's growing, and the people behind it, it's just 72 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 4: what made it feel especially like this is our space 73 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 4: and our time and we just need to be talking 74 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 4: about the way everyone is well and. 75 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 3: You you guys have had such different experiences about you know, 76 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: the omnipresence of it. I mean, Daisy, now as a 77 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: senior in high school, it feels like the opportunity to 78 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 3: have a scholarship to play flag football has been something 79 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: that's more present for you. How do you do you 80 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 3: feel like the newness of this wave or does it 81 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 3: feel like something that is solid for you? Yeah, I 82 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 3: definitely feel the newness of it for sure. 83 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 5: Like I can tell that it's starting to grow, but 84 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 5: it's still you know, it's only in D two and 85 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 5: D three schools right now, and do one just announce 86 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 5: that they are officially going to have it. So I 87 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 5: think that's really huge and it's really important for me 88 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 5: because that is my dream is just to play Division 89 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 5: one flag football. So I think I definitely still feel 90 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 5: the newness, but I can tell that it's coming up. 91 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: For sure well. And that's as a senior in high 92 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 3: school too. That's got to make it tricky when you're 93 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 3: deciding where am I going to go to school? 94 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 6: Right? 95 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 3: You know? How does that play into those factors? 96 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's definitely hard because there's an aspect 97 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 5: that it's like, Okay, maybe I should just not play 98 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 5: for two years to keep my eligibility for when it 99 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 5: is D one. But then at the same time, I'm like, 100 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 5: I really want to play football. I guess what I 101 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 5: love doing, and I don't want to have to sit 102 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 5: out for two years. But if that's what it takes 103 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 5: to accomplish my dreams, then I'm gonna have. 104 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: To do that. Yeah. Now, when you look at the 105 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: way that you know, the NFL has been backing this 106 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: sport as well, and then the NC double A, the Olympics. 107 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: Of course we're talking about it. The support, the institutional 108 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: support with these brands, these things that when people say NFL, 109 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: when people say NC DOUBLEA, when people say Olympics, we 110 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: all know what they're talking about. Having that support Katie 111 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: behind a sport like flag, What does that do for 112 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: the sport? You know? The grassroots initiative can really help 113 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 3: start the passion, right, but then the places like the NFL, 114 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 3: the NC double those are the ones that make it 115 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 3: legit legitimate. They're the ones that give it the structure. 116 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 3: It gives, you know, a chance to have the resources. 117 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: You guys have no idea how lucky you are at 118 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 3: the age you're at, like you are going to have 119 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: every school available to you when the time is I 120 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: didn't even get a chance to play. But because of 121 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: all these institutions, finally not seeing that it's a charity, 122 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: because women's sports, I think that that secrets out. It's 123 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 3: not a charity. It's a money maker, right, and that's 124 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: what drives a lot of these investments, and people are 125 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 3: finally seeing we can make money and you guys can 126 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: have a chance to have the resources that your male 127 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 3: counterparts have had for years making money in a sport 128 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 3: that is about women and poor women. And yes, you 129 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: know people will you know, the lay sports fan might say, oh, 130 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: this is football, but it's girls football. But this is 131 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: also a different sport. And you know, there are so 132 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 3: many elements about flag football needed that make it so 133 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: unique and so different. How would you quantify that and 134 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: how the world of flag football is being built recently? 135 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 4: You know, I have played a lot of sports, as 136 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 4: you said, growing up, I started out with soccer, basketball, 137 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 4: I did track, I did volleyball. I decided to pursue 138 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 4: my time into basketball because I knew there's an opportunity 139 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 4: to have a division on sport. And I'm super jealous 140 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 4: of Daisy because and everyone else in this generation, because 141 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 4: you guys, we and all of us are writing history 142 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 4: together where we've connected this pipeline and it's going to 143 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 4: be a division on sport for everybody. And so I'm 144 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 4: jealous that I don't get that opportunity. But because in 145 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 4: flag football, there's something different about it, about how inclusive 146 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 4: the sport is. It's not the same skill set. You 147 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 4: could be myself five five, you could be six to five. 148 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 4: You can be a little you know, a little boy 149 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: playing a little girl playing a little bit heavier, a 150 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 4: little bit skinnier. It's the most unique sport I've ever 151 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 4: played that welcomes all shapes and sizes and ages, and 152 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 4: you can have a very effective space in the So 153 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 4: flexball to me is just crazy inclusive. It gives opportunities 154 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 4: for everybody. I'm not that I really like to talk 155 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 4: about this, but it's okay. I'm gonna be proud. I'm 156 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 4: in my forties bonding out playing quarterback for Team US 157 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 4: saying that is right, and it's not very thank you 158 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 4: the inner. I used to feel very embarrassed about it, 159 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 4: but in so many ways it's something that I should 160 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 4: be talking about. That's inspiring that I could be playing 161 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 4: this after college in my twenties. When I first started, 162 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 4: I didn't. I'm not getting insane by two opportunities, as 163 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 4: you guys got, but I'm still playing twenty years later 164 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 4: at a top level. So it just goes to show 165 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 4: how much this sport, in this space, which was dubbed 166 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 4: football for boys and men, is actually it's our space 167 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 4: and we're going to ride it our way. 168 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely. And I mean, Daisy, you have played. You were 169 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 3: the first girl to play quarterback for the men's team 170 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 3: at your high school. Doing that, right, that's a big 171 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 3: accomplishment right there. She's like, she's like, listen, boys, I 172 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: got you right here. And now you know recently this 173 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: week you were playing flag football on the Pro Bowl stage. 174 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: You're sharing the field with the NFL's best, with Pro 175 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: bowlers in a nationally broadcast experience. What does it mean? 176 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 3: Not only the fact that you know flag is being 177 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 3: recognized and they're putting so many resources and in broadcasting 178 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: in that way, but also to be sharing a field 179 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 3: with players that I know you grew up watching. 180 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean just being able to play with the 181 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 5: boys at my high school was a whole experience and 182 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 5: of itself it was really cool. But you know, being 183 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 5: the first to do something, it always comes with backlash, 184 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 5: so I kind of know how that is, but it 185 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 5: never stopped me from doing it. Like, I enjoyed it. 186 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 5: I had a great time. It was an amazing experience 187 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 5: and I'm really grateful for it. And just to be 188 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 5: able to go and play at the Pro Bowl, like 189 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 5: with NFL players that I grew up watching and like 190 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 5: admiring my entire life. That was just such an amazing 191 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 5: and surreal opportunity. And I hope that a lot of 192 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 5: you will take that away from this and just know 193 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 5: that there's opportunities for you out there and that you 194 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 5: should continue to pursue it because amazing stuff like that 195 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 5: could happen to you too. 196 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 3: And it's great to be a part of of a 197 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: group of people who are among the firsts, right, the 198 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: first to do something, and ideally the goal is, yes, 199 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 3: you're the first to do that, but there will be 200 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 3: many more to come. Katie, you were the first woman 201 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 3: to win a super Bowl on a not winstap, to lose, 202 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 3: the first one to lose, the first one, yeah, there 203 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: we go, the first one to be in a super Bowl, 204 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: but to lose, to coach in the super Bowl. And 205 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: also too, there's a little bit of a fire there, right. 206 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: You took away my joke. I always say that I'm 207 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 3: the first woman to lose the super Bowl. Thank you, 208 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: and forever in the history books has such right, But 209 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: it's also to you kind of learn more from the 210 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 3: losses than the wins and career as well, having that 211 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 3: moments exactly and having that moment and having that experience 212 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: and saying yes, okay, a lot of people will look 213 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 3: at that and say, oh, the NFL, that must be 214 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: the pinnacle. Well for some people, yes, but not for everyone. 215 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 3: How did you take that experience and shift it towards 216 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 3: what you want to do in your your football career. 217 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 3: You know a lot of people don't know this, but 218 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 3: I actually got into coaching in the NFL by default. 219 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 3: Coaching men was the default because that time I knew 220 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: I loved football. I knew I wanted to coach football, 221 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: but I didn't think I could make a living. There 222 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 3: was nothing that existed in that world for me to 223 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: coach women and make a living, and so by default 224 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 3: I coached men and it was great. I learned a lot, 225 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 3: I had some great experiences. But I'm telling you you, guys, 226 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: when you're thinking about your dream, the NFL is great. 227 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: But just because it's men doesn't mean it's the best. 228 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 3: And just because you know I'm no longer coaching in 229 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: the NFL, you know, I want people to be excited 230 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 3: about my college team that has won more national championships 231 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: than any other. We've won all five that exists in 232 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: college flag football. I want people to care more about 233 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 3: that than my time in the NFL, because I'm telling 234 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 3: you those players are doing something special and this is 235 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 3: truly more than just a movement. We're in a moment 236 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 3: where the reality of how great women's sports is people 237 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 3: are finally seeing it. And I can't wait for the 238 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 3: day when when someone's just as excited about coaching women 239 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: and hearing someone coach women as they are about the men. 240 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: And Daisy, is that the younger person on this panel. 241 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 3: When you look at that and you hear that, and 242 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: you see the shift and the perception around men's and 243 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 3: women's sports, how do you perceee that? 244 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's step because I've seen a lot 245 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 5: on social media, especially for me because you know, playing 246 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 5: on a tackle team with all guys, like you know 247 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 5: a lot of people in the comments they don't agree 248 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 5: with it, and you know they they have their jokes 249 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 5: and stuff, so it's definitely, you know, it's not the 250 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 5: best thing to see. But at the same time, like 251 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 5: I've realized that it's those people are not important, Like 252 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 5: they are the ones that are sitting at home while 253 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 5: I'm the one playing. So it's not like their opinion 254 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 5: really matters to me, or nor should it, because it's 255 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 5: it is. It started as a men's sport, but like, 256 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 5: there's no reason why women can't play it. 257 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: There's nothing that stops you for doing it. 258 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 5: And that's what I realized, and that's why I did it, 259 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 5: because nothing stopped me, nothing stopping any of you. Which 260 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 5: is why I think it's growing so much, because people 261 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 5: are finally starting to realize that and put some more respect. 262 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: On Daisy never read the comments. 263 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I learned that the hard way. 264 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: I learned that the hard way. Always mute. The mute 265 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 3: button is your friend. Right, representation matters on such a 266 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 3: big scale, not just in gender, not just in men 267 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 3: and women, but also we see those barriers become fewer 268 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: and further between, right. I mean, we're seeing so much 269 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: growth and evolution, but we've all experienced those moments where 270 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 3: it's like, oh wow, I didn't know a woman was 271 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 3: able to do that, And this is great to set 272 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 3: that example, to have that representation, especially for so many 273 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: young girls and women that are seeing their futures unfold 274 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 3: in a way that maybe as young girls and women 275 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 3: that we didn't think was even possible. But when you 276 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 3: look at where we are now and envision five years 277 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 3: from now what this is going to look like, What 278 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 3: would be a sign that things are going in the 279 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: right direction. If we look five years ahead, I would 280 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 3: say we're over the first. You know, when when the 281 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: first is not you know, a woman doing something that's 282 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 3: the first, it's not news, it's normal. I think we'll 283 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 3: see progress. Is this my mic that's making that noise? 284 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 3: But you know, and also seeing more women leading teams 285 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 3: because right now we I mean especially flag football is 286 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: very very far behind, and and the message that it 287 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 3: sends is yeah, we will allow women to play, but 288 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 3: only when led by men. And I'm not saying that 289 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: men are can't coach women. My dad was a women's 290 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: basketball coach, and so I know that there are great 291 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: coaches out there, but there are great coaches that are 292 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 3: that are women. And when women see other women coaching, 293 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: they want to coach. I already within we've only had 294 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 3: two groups graduate from Ottawa and we already have seven 295 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 3: players that are in the coaching world. That's great. What great? 296 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 4: I guess, like, honey, we bask forward five years, Oh, 297 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 4: five years, how does it look, Oh my gosh, five 298 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 4: years from now, how would it look to me to 299 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 4: know that we're on the right path, that we're doing 300 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 4: it right? 301 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: Fifty states. 302 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 4: Having Varsie high school football offered more women coaching at 303 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 4: all D one levels in AIA, D two, D three, 304 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 4: being led like like Kate does. And so success for 305 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 4: me would be that plus. I mean, there's talk that 306 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 4: it's going to be a pro sport, so why not 307 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 4: get paid for. 308 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: Something we love? Right? 309 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 4: Everyone else is getting paid, so we can do it too. 310 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 4: So to me, success is that it's still going to 311 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 4: be visible. It's still going to be in our faces. 312 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 4: One of you guys or us will be up here 313 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 4: on this little marquie here. I mean, that's what such 314 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 4: success is going to look like, not just talked about, 315 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 4: but we see it. And as we said earlier, if 316 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 4: you see it, you believe it, and you still you 317 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 4: want to be that person too. 318 00:15:54,120 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 3: So let's get Benita up here somewhere. Yeah, make it happen. Yeah, 319 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: one of these billboards right here, Nike, I know you're listening, Daisy. 320 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: What about you? What would you say? You know, five 321 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: years from now is a sign that, wow, things are 322 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 3: progressing in the right way. 323 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say a sign for five years for now 324 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 5: for me is just that I would be still playing, 325 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 5: Like I think that if I have the platform to 326 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 5: go and continue to play after my years in college 327 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 5: are done. That would mean that it's definitely progressing the 328 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 5: right way. And just like being able to continue to 329 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 5: play something I love and just to get a college 330 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 5: education for it, that is amazing to know of itself, 331 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 5: but to go beyond that, that would definitely be progressing 332 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 5: the right way for sure. 333 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: I mean, we get into this conversation because flag football 334 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: is something that you all have given so much of 335 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: your life, your time, your energy, your focus towards, but 336 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: you do so dealing because you love it, right, and 337 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 3: it's the joy that it brings into this joy that 338 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 3: it sparks. What is it? Is there a moment or 339 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: a defining time or favorite thing about Oh I love 340 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: when I'm preparing for a game? Is there what is 341 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 3: it that you love most about flag football that sparks 342 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: the most joy that you know, some of the younger 343 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: people might be experiencing too, And I know for me, 344 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: you know, it's probably a daily basis where for those 345 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 3: of you who don't know, I coached right now with 346 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 3: my twin sister. Anyone have sisters that you guys would 347 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 3: be like, oh, I will never work with her ever? Well, 348 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 3: my sister calls the offense and I call the defense. 349 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 3: And there are times that can get really super annoying, 350 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 3: but most of the time I try to at least 351 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 3: ground myself. And I look around and I say, how 352 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 3: dang lucky am I to play the you know, to 353 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: have played this game. Maybe not like the women today, 354 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: but I had a chance to play it, and now 355 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 3: I have a chance to teach it as a job 356 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 3: with my sister. I mean, there's nothing that I would 357 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 3: want to do more than what I'm doing right now, 358 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 3: and I feel extremely blessed to have this opportunity. And 359 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 3: I hope you guys know I always say this to 360 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 3: my team. You are living in a moment that will 361 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: one day be a memory. So whether you're at practice, 362 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 3: whether you know, whatever it might be, you are right 363 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 3: now living in a moment that you're gonna look back on. 364 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 3: And I promise you you're gonna miss it. You're gonna wish 365 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 3: maybe I did something I tried a little harder, right, 366 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 3: Love what you do and work hard at it, and 367 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 3: I'm telling you happiness will come. I love that you're 368 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: living in a moment that will one day be a memory, 369 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 3: that is an evergreen put that on a bumper sticker 370 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 3: plastered on the wall. I will be living by that too, Benita, 371 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 3: What about you, what is it that you love the 372 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 3: most about flag or is there a moment that you 373 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 3: look back on and you're like, that was one of 374 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 3: my favorite experiences in this sport. 375 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna answer this in two parts. A moment 376 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 4: in memory that I love about flag football is I 377 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 4: didn't grow up all playing football. I did start until 378 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 4: twenty three after college, and I played in a men's 379 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 4: four and four late And for me to throw my 380 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 4: first touchdown or catch my first ball and shake that 381 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 4: guy with a hit mover or a dip and he 382 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 4: misses my flag, I'm like, whoa did he just did? 383 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 4: He slide back there right? And it just gave me 384 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 4: that like sense of like empowerment, like I'm doing your 385 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 4: sport and I did it on you, And so for me, 386 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 4: that's kind of a moment. That's I drank the kool aid. 387 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 4: I became obsessed with it, and I was playing flag 388 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 4: football nine leagues in a week, which makes mathematically zero 389 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 4: sense because there's only seven days in a week. But 390 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 4: I played Monday through Friday. Saturday morning Saturday night, Sunday morning, 391 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 4: Sunday night. So I just fell in love with the 392 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 4: empowering feeling that flag football gave me because it wasn't 393 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 4: our space, and I made it my space. The second 394 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 4: part to it, honestly, is, as I keep looking at 395 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 4: one of my friends right here, Nancy taking care of me, 396 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 4: flag football built a sisterhood for me. Like I thought 397 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 4: from third grade, after college, all I'd done was books 398 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 4: and study and sports, and books and studies and sports. 399 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 4: So thinking that I'm graduating, going to a nine to 400 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 4: five job, that's kind of traumatizing. I'm going to be 401 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 4: in an office. What am I gonna do with my life? 402 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 4: But I found sports, so I got to continue living 403 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 4: my you know, Caroderie moments, building that sisterhood, meeting my 404 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 4: best friends for life, and the connections you make and 405 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 4: what you go through on and off the field together. 406 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 3: You go through breakups, you. 407 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 4: Go through trauma, you go through this and you're there 408 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 4: for each other and you have this this bond with 409 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 4: your teammate, SAT takes care of you on the field 410 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 4: and off the field. So the two parts for me, 411 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 4: the empowerment and the sisterhood about that, right, what do you. 412 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: Love about it, I'd say that's hard to say. 413 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 5: I just I've always just loved football, like I've just 414 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 5: always felt like that feeling when I play, like I would. 415 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 5: I'm really good at basketball, too, so I was going 416 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 5: to go to college for basketball, and I didn't even 417 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 5: think that flag football was a sport in college, and 418 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 5: it wasn't in high school until my junior year. So 419 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 5: when I started playing junior year, it was just for fun. 420 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 5: I was like, all right, let me just make sure 421 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 5: I don't get hurt for basketball. And then I realized 422 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 5: that there's college programs that have and I was like, wait, 423 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 5: like this could be real. And I realized I had 424 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 5: way more fun playing flag football than I ever did 425 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 5: with basketball, and I was like, all right, well, this 426 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 5: is what I want to do, and that's what I 427 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 5: want to pursue. And even though there's not as many 428 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 5: opportunities as there are for basketball, I love the sport 429 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 5: and that's what's driving me to continue to play it. 430 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: You all have been, you know, among the first to 431 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 3: do certain things and among the best to do certain things, 432 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 3: especially in the world of flag football. But when you 433 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 3: look around and you see maybe a young girl who 434 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 3: loves playing the game, but isn't maybe the star of 435 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 3: their team, and isn't maybe you know, the standout player 436 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 3: in that group, but has a lot of love for 437 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 3: the sport. What advice would you give that girl in 438 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 3: looking forward to to building a future in flag football? 439 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 3: There is space for all types of talent. And I 440 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 3: feel like a lot of people might be like, oh, yeah, right, 441 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 3: that's just what people say. I'm telling you, guys, I've 442 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 3: won five national championships. There is a place for everyone 443 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 3: as as long as you have the attitude, because the 444 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 3: person that's sitting on the bench is helping to hold 445 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: the team together more than anyone even realizes, and that 446 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 3: goes into the wins. And so I would tell you guys, 447 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 3: you know, even if you don't have the talent, if 448 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 3: you have the passion and you have the ability to 449 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 3: be available when your numbers called availability is the best ability, 450 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 3: you know. I maybe some of you have heard that 451 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 3: there's so much you will see that the rest of 452 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: your life. Be available. Show up and be curious about 453 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 3: what it is that you're learning, because when you're curious, 454 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 3: you want to find out more, all right, Always be 455 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 3: curious and continue with the attitude of I can I 456 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: can actually impact this team regardless of what my skill 457 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 3: level is. I like that. 458 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 4: I would add to Kate's answer that you know, as 459 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 4: we said black football. 460 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: It's inclusive. 461 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 4: It comes in different shapes and sizes, right, But sometimes 462 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 4: you're winning, does it necessarily have to come in the 463 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 4: win callum, like you won that game? Because in flag 464 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 4: football and in sports in general, I feel like winning 465 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 4: comes in different shapes. 466 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 3: It could come in a connection. 467 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 4: You made a bridge that you cross and now you're working, 468 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 4: you know, for this company or that company. Maybe it's 469 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 4: your best friend you met. Like winning looks different and 470 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 4: for us when we talk about sports, we think about 471 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 4: so and so it's undefeated. So and says that's great. 472 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 4: But I wanted ways that are not data driven. And 473 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 4: I think that's important to realize that you may not 474 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 4: be the best, you may not be the biggest. But 475 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 4: you know, I said earlier with Azalea, Jess could do it, 476 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 4: what do you have to lose? You lose everything you 477 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 4: don't try, you miss every shot you don't take. We 478 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,239 Speaker 4: hear that all all the time. Take your shots. You're 479 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 4: gonna win. You just got to open your eyes to 480 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 4: see what did you win? 481 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, that not only being good at it is what's important. 482 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 5: But if you love us or there's no reason why 483 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 5: you should and play it, Like it's sports in general 484 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 5: are really really good to get into, Like I wouldn't 485 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 5: be here find in play sports. They wouldn't be here 486 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 5: if they didn't play sports. Sports are just really good 487 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 5: just to grow as a person as well. 488 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 3: As an athlete. 489 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 5: And I think that's what a lot of people don't 490 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 5: really see. But it's like it really does help you 491 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 5: just grow and build communication and just get better at 492 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 5: everything that isn't related to athletes as well. 493 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 3: I love it. I love it now as we look 494 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 3: at the growth again the growth of flag on the 495 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 3: macro stage two, it is becoming an Olympic sport. There's 496 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: so much more representation in college on all these different platforms. 497 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 3: When it was announced that flag football was going to 498 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: the Olympics, the amount of men in the National Football 499 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 3: League were like I want to play, I want to 500 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 3: play was astounding. And I love that because there's nothing 501 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 3: more you know, unique that's saying I won a like 502 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 3: a world championship on an actual world level, right, but 503 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 3: this is a different sport. This is a different sport. 504 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,239 Speaker 3: Than tackle football, right, we were talking about it earlier too. 505 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 3: You know, you want to go forward the shiftiness of 506 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 3: the hips and all that kind of stuff with tackle. 507 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 3: How would you describe some of the nuances that make 508 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 3: this sport different. 509 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think tackle football and flag football is completely different. 510 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 5: Like there's just it's first of all, it's eleven compared 511 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 5: to seven or five, So there's just there's a lot 512 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 5: more you have to think about and tackle, and like 513 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 5: if the speed is way faster, but in flag football, 514 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 5: I think it's a lot harder in a lot of ways, 515 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 5: just because of how fast you have a rusher on 516 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 5: you every single time, the different reads that you have 517 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 5: to make, because the defense can look so much different 518 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 5: in any given team or whatever. And it's just like 519 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 5: it's definitely not something that I'd see translating a whole 520 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 5: lot to tackle football because of just how different everything is. 521 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 5: So I think that it's really cool that NFL guys 522 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 5: want to play it too, But I think it's definitely 523 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 5: not something you can just pick up the ball and 524 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 5: put some flags on and say, all right, I'm good 525 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 5: at it. Like because I played tackle football, you definitely 526 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 5: have to practice it a lot and like understand the 527 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 5: game to be able to be about it. 528 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll build on that because there's one thing I 529 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 4: always say that sticks with me when people ask how 530 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 4: does it translate and from the tackle to the flag world, 531 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 4: And I always like to say, flag of football to 532 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 4: me is a finesse dance. 533 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 3: It's like ballet. 534 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 4: There's an art, there's a technique, there's a smoothness, there's 535 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 4: a cleanness, there's a creativity to it, and it's a 536 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 4: respected dance tackle football, which I love, although I don't 537 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 4: want to get hit. As I said fragile, it's like 538 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 4: hip hop crump dancing. The flips, the turns, the talks. 539 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 4: You know that, you know, like it's different. I can't 540 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 4: do that, but I can dance my ballet. So I 541 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 4: respect both styles. But if I were to go into 542 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 4: the tackle space, I would have to learn how to 543 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 4: break dance and do all this crazy stuff. 544 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 3: And if a. 545 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 4: Football tackle player wants to come to the black place, 546 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 4: I think they have a space. 547 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 3: It's just going to. 548 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 4: Take time to perfect that technique. 549 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 3: So you just can't jump in. It's smooth. Its Travis 550 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 3: Kelsey is not going to be a flag player. I'll 551 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: tell you that he might want to, and he can 552 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 3: dream big, but I'm telling you, Travis, not happening. Yeah, 553 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: no ballet for Travis. You know, we could work on it. 554 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 3: We're good to see. But like you said, it's not 555 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 3: like a hard no of being able to make that transition. 556 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 3: Some people can do all types of dance. Some people 557 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 3: are better at the finessea people are better at the 558 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 3: harder stuff right there. But it is such a different 559 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: game and such a different sport, and not just you know, physically, 560 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 3: but strategically. Yeah. And that's you know one thing that 561 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 3: when I came from the NFL to flag football, I 562 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 3: you know, I was looking online trying to figure out 563 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 3: what are these flag defenses that everyone's running, and I 564 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 3: couldn't find anything I liked online, And I'm like, you 565 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 3: know what, I have this knowledge of everything, you know, 566 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 3: my past experience. Let's see how it translates, you know. 567 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 3: And I figured out that if you're you're sending a 568 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: blitz every time, like in tackle football, and it's basically 569 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 3: like a fire zone that you're playing, you're you're playing 570 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 3: a lot faster game. And so I looked up you know, 571 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 3: I I researched a lot of that stuff from from 572 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 3: my experience in the NFL, and I translated into this game. 573 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 3: That's how closely they are related. You know, It's worked 574 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 3: out pretty well for me, winning five times, winning all 575 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 3: the things. 576 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, only five, Only the five that exists. 577 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, everything that exists. You have one except the super Bowl. 578 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 3: Just have the super Bowl, like you know what, You're 579 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 3: the first to lose it. No one can ever have that. 580 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 3: No one can have that, you know, future trip. Yeah, 581 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 3: all right, listen, We've had a great conversation up here, 582 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 3: but we want to open it up too because all 583 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 3: of you, i'm sure might have some questions and some curiosity. 584 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 3: So if anyone does have something that they want to 585 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 3: ask our panel here, please raise your hand. We want 586 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: to hear from you as well. 587 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 4: I asked, Oh there we go, we got one. 588 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 3: Oh wait, we're going to bring over Mike for you. 589 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 3: Oh you made it worse. 590 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 6: My question is, like what pushed you are, like motivates 591 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 6: you to play like with boys, because like, like I've 592 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 6: played black football with boys growing up, so I understand 593 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 6: like the connection there, like being the only girl in 594 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 6: all boys space and like showing you like just because 595 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 6: I'm a girl, don't mean I can't play, but like 596 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 6: what pushed you, like motivates you to like want to 597 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 6: show boys, Like just because I'm a girl, don't mean 598 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 6: I can't. 599 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 5: Like. Yeah, that's a really great question. Honestly, I think that. Well, 600 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 5: my freshman year I played tackle football too, and that 601 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 5: was just because I love football, and that's what drove me. 602 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 3: Honestly. 603 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 5: I just my love for football. And there was no 604 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 5: where for girls to play in high school at the time, 605 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 5: so I had to play with the boys. And I 606 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 5: mean it's not always the most fun, but I still 607 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 5: love playing football and that's what that's what motivated me, 608 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 5: and just being able to play football. And since it's 609 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 5: my senior year now, and I knew that I could 610 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 5: do it my freshman year, so why not do it 611 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 5: again my senior year? Like you know, it's not an 612 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 5: opportunity that you get too many times to play high 613 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 5: school football, So I just that's why I did. 614 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 3: It this year too. Yeah, that is a great question 615 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 3: to it. It's so translatable, whether it be playing coaching 616 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 3: or walking into a space in a boardroom that's you 617 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 3: know predominantly men and people saying wow, I didn't realize that. 618 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 3: I mean, how do you approach, that is there a 619 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: response that you give in those moments of uncomfortable Yeah, 620 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 3: you know, And I applaud you guys for playing with 621 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 3: the boys, because I think one thing that people don't 622 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 3: talk about is how lonely that can feel when you're 623 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 3: going into your own locker room by yourself and all 624 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 3: the team is doing their own thing and you're missing 625 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 3: those moments. And trust me, I get it. You know. 626 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 3: I had a very similar experience. And I think one 627 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 3: thing that I learned when I when I first started 628 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 3: in the NFL, I remember I was, you know, I 629 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: was looking around at everybody kind of looking at me, 630 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 3: you know, like, oh, And what I realized is that 631 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 3: I was spending a lot of energy worried about what 632 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 3: people were thinking about me, right, And I think I 633 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 3: think we all have a tendency to do this where 634 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 3: we just we worry about what everyone else is thinking 635 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 3: and we hope that they're we hope it's not bad. 636 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 3: We hope that they see the good things. Right. But 637 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: what I realized is that when I walked into that 638 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 3: coach's meeting room and I was, yeah, the only female, 639 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: But that was just one of my differences. Every single 640 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 3: one of those coaches had a different background, had a 641 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 3: different coaching style, brought something different to the table. And 642 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 3: so yeah, it was maybe a little more obvious that 643 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 3: I was different, but we all were. And the more 644 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: that I could actually accept myself in that space and 645 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 3: understand that not everybody knows everything. And if you question 646 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 3: what you know, go learn it. Don't hide it, don't 647 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 3: wait and just hope no one sees it. Go learn it. 648 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 3: We have the world and our fingertips. Now I motivate 649 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 3: all of you to if you have things that you 650 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 3: want to be better at, don't hide it, just go 651 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: get better at it. I mean. And so you know again, 652 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 3: you guys playing with the boys shows how much you 653 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 3: love this game. But I hope there's a day where, 654 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 3: even for tackle football down the road, that girls don't 655 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,959 Speaker 3: have to play with the boys to play tackle football. Yeah. 656 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 3: Can I add something to that? 657 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 4: No? 658 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 3: No, yeah, cut off. 659 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 4: Okay, that lonely word you just said in the story 660 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 4: you kind of gave I remember that lonely filling. And 661 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 4: like you said, if you don't know something, go learn it, right, 662 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 4: that would be your step one and two. But there's 663 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 4: step three to that. In listening to Kate which is 664 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 4: use your voice, like you be confident in what you've 665 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 4: learned in your experience and what you've played, who you've 666 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 4: played with. So what we're in a guy's space playing football. 667 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 4: It's just a space. It's football, and it's a space, 668 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 4: and it's all of our spaces, So you have to 669 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 4: use your voice. I remember that feeling being the first 670 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,959 Speaker 4: female coach in the Pro Bowl with Eli Manning at 671 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 4: DeMarcus Ware when we were in Vegas, and and I'd 672 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 4: never been in this situation, but I was in a 673 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 4: men's locker room with all these NFL stars, the coaches 674 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 4: were here, and I had my own little separate spot 675 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 4: as one kind of that imposter feeling. They didn't know 676 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 4: who I was. I had my own locker room because 677 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 4: I was the only female. I get that respect right 678 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 4: and privacy, get it. But at first I was afraid 679 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 4: to use my voice because I know flag football, that's 680 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 4: my damn sure do it. I'm ballet, you're hip hop, 681 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 4: And I was afraid to use my voice at first. 682 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 4: But when we had our coaches meeting with the players 683 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 4: coming in later on, and I spoke with Eli and 684 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 4: I spoke to DeMarcus, I showed that I actually know 685 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 4: what I'm talking about, and they listen, and I got 686 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 4: to speak to the boys and tell them my flag plays, 687 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 4: because flag plays are different than the olignment protecting for you. 688 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 4: Everyone's eligible, everyone can go after you get rid of 689 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 4: the ball bats in two seconds, right. So I just 690 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 4: remember that lonely feeling, that space that I didn't belong. 691 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 3: I'd already done the. 692 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 4: Research, I'd already done the learning, but I hadn't executed 693 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 4: part three, which is using my voice. So I would say, 694 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 4: trust yourself, trust your experience, be confident, use your voice. 695 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 3: I like that. I like that. 696 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 4: I'm me. 697 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 5: Ever had a time where you like, like didn't want 698 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 5: to do it anywhere You're like, oh, I'm giving up 699 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 5: going to do this anymore. 700 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 3: For sure, I would do a disservice if I lied 701 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 3: and say I said no. But I will tell you. 702 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 3: You know, there are times when I would sit on 703 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 3: the plane coming back from games when I was in 704 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 3: the NFL, and I would put my head up and 705 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 3: I would cry, I'm just being honest, because there were 706 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,959 Speaker 3: times that felt so lonely, so so lonely. So many 707 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 3: times I said, is this what I'm going to be doing? 708 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 3: Like is this, I don't feel like I'm making any movement, 709 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 3: but you know, I'm glad that I pushed through it 710 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 3: because it was meant not to win a Super Bowl, 711 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 3: not to get a head coaching job in the NFL, 712 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 3: but leave me to women's fot football. And so I 713 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 3: don't regret any of those tiers, any of those times 714 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 3: that I journaled. I encourage you guys, if you don't journal, 715 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 3: please write down what you do because there will be 716 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 3: a moment in your life when you know, fifteen down, 717 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 3: fifteen years down the road, where you look back and 718 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 3: you want to know what it was like to be 719 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 3: you right now, and it's going to mean a lot 720 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 3: more fifteen years down the road. So please do that. 721 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 3: Because the hardships that I read now through this journal, 722 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 3: my twin sister even read it without my knowledge, and 723 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 3: she actually added two of the page. I don't encourage 724 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 3: any of you guys to do that your behavior, right, 725 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 3: There is so much learning about yourself and and just 726 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: about the world around you when you actually just write 727 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 3: down how you feel, because we all, every single one 728 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 3: of us, struggles, every single one of us. I like 729 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 3: that too, And like like Anita mentioned earlier, what you're 730 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 3: living right now is a memory and you know, maybe 731 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 3: it's hard and maybe it's you know, there's struggles, but 732 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 3: when you look back at it, it'll make sense. Why right? Yeah? 733 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 4: I mean I would be honest. I think we all 734 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 4: are human and we all go through that. I want 735 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 4: to quit. I want to stop. Why am I doing this? 736 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 4: This is hard on my body, it's hard on my injury. 737 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 4: It's I'm missing time with my friends. I'm getting fomo this. 738 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 4: Everyone's posting all the fun things we're doing and where 739 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 4: over your six am running on the track a mile 740 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 4: and then go into the weight room and then I 741 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 4: have classes all days. So yeah, I think in a 742 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 4: human since we all have moments where we want to quit. 743 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 4: For me, my motivation is thinking about my why and 744 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 4: my why are my students the village, You've got me here, 745 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 4: thinking about my mom's journey, and even just thinking outside 746 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 4: of the sport. 747 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 3: Why do I love this? 748 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 4: It's the people I get to do it with. I 749 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 4: get to win together, I get to lose together. 750 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 3: We took a cry together. We have to do. 751 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 4: Pranks and deal with each other's shenanigans together. 752 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 3: There's so much more winning. 753 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 4: Like I said, earlier than the game itself and the 754 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 4: hard work it takes, because yeah, that stuff wants to 755 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 4: push you. It's meant to push you to the limits, 756 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 4: but it's building a stronger you. Whether it's going to 757 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 4: be on the sport field, whether it's going to be 758 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 4: a project leader, whether it's going to be in the office. 759 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 4: I think it builds you. But yeah, we're human and 760 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 4: we want to say deuces sometimes, but find and find 761 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 4: your other why at that moment? 762 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 3: You know? 763 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say for me personally, I am one really 764 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 5: really competitive and very hard on myself. So sometimes those 765 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 5: two things can be really dangerous. And I've definitely had 766 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 5: games where I've played really bad. Like that's just what 767 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 5: comes with it. You're gonna play really good, you're gonna 768 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 5: play okay, and then you're gonna play really bad sometimes 769 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 5: and that's just part of playing sports. But it's definitely 770 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 5: made me think twice about stuff and I'm like, Okay, 771 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 5: well I just threw three picks in one game, Like 772 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 5: I'm what am I going to go to college? If 773 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 5: this is how I'm playing? You know, just like second 774 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 5: guessing your decisions and why you're doing it, And I 775 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 5: think that that is just it's a given, but you 776 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 5: have to. I think mental toughness is a huge thing 777 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 5: for me, and that's what I've been just working on 778 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 5: as a player, because that's the most important thing, Like 779 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 5: your mental strength and everything you do on the field, 780 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 5: it comes after that, Like just knowing what you have 781 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 5: to do to get where you need to go. That's 782 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 5: the most important thing. 783 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: What an incredible conversation with Katie Sours, Benita Crouch, and 784 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: day Throckmorton. I'm Madeleine Burke. Thanks for listening to this 785 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: episode of her playbook, brought to you by Kendra Scott.