1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Fail Round the League Podcast has no prior head coaching experience. 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the League Podcast. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis. I'm joined by heroes Chris Westling, 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. Hey, guys, we're not a room 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: full anymore. That well, no, I'm just shortening it a 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: little bit with this one, okay, or you just kind 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: of stumbled over it. I thought it was pretty good. 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: It was smooth. But hey, I'll say, by the way, 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: it smells awesome in here. Chris Westling, who has the 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: best off days of anyone? Uh, what is that scent? 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: Is that a perfume? That is a Kruger blant, Kruger 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: brand thirty proof some block. I actually I thought I 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: thought it was one of those Russian women you play 14 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 1: uh shovel board with that, Maybe her perfume and rubbed off. 15 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: It's a real person. There is a there is a 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: Zorina there. Wesleyan is fresh off the boat from Georgia. 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: Um doesn't know a lot of people here in l A. 18 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: I give him a terrible schedule where he's working all weekend, 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: so he has Tuesday and Wednesday off, So he spends 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: these days just lounging by the pool and watching copious 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: amounts of film and drinking copious amounts of beer and 22 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: reading some good books, which sounds pretty awesome. I would say, 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: wildly jealous of the guy's lifestyle in general. Fairly accurate descriptions. 24 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: Tanned and relaxed. He smells great. Uh, he has great 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: calfs because he's wearing shorts. Right now, everything seems to 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: be turning up aces for the old Westman. I want 27 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: to know what you learned from all the film watching 28 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: anything stand out well? I tweeted about this yesterday. Bryce Butler, 29 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: seventh rounder from the Raiders. Uh, to me, this is 30 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: like what preseason is all about. You get a guy 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: who has comes into camp with a third string offense, 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: makes plays in the first preseason game. By the second 33 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: preseason game, he's starting in practice and playing with the 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: first string offense, catching passes with Matt Flynn. We see 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: all these guys who are rookies and get pub and 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: still are running the fourth or fifth receivers. This guy 37 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: might have a chance to be the first or second 38 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: receiver for the Raiders. You know you could listen to 39 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: Dave damash x podcast for the next four years. You're 40 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: not gonna hear about Bryce Butler. That is why you 41 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: come to the round. You have to squeeze in a 42 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: shot somehow where what a minute and happened to the show. 43 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: He's not taking shots at us. That receiver situation is 44 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: weird too. We don't know. I mean, he really might 45 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: start right, he's got a chance. Jacoby Ford said he 46 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: could be the number one receiver for the Raider. Al Right, guys, 47 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: so we have a full show today. We're gonna have 48 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: our a f C West preview as we wrap up 49 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: that conference. Uh, we're gonna do a little hard knocks 50 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: talk uh the episode last night. But we'll start with 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: some news and in honor of NFL dot COM's Fantasy 52 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: Draft Week, which you could find out more about at 53 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: nfl dot com backslash Fantasy Draft Week. I love the plug. 54 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: A good plug there. I hope the bosses were listening 55 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: to that. We're gonna give some news that has a 56 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: little bit of a fantasy spin. Um, so we'll send that. 57 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: We'll send it over to Greg Rosenthal, the boss, to 58 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: give us a little breakdown of the news. It's really 59 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: a fantasy tinged episode. Maybe our our fantasy preview. I 60 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: guess we're gonna give one big piece of advice later 61 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: in the show each on what you should do for 62 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: your fantasy draft. But for the News this week, let's 63 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: start with with Michael Vick, which is you know, we 64 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: know now he's officially the starter. My question is what 65 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: are the expectations for him as a starting quarterback this year? 66 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,839 Speaker 1: It could go so many directions. I could see him 67 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: hurt after three weeks. I could see him have a 68 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: short leash and see falls in there by week four. 69 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: Or I could see him have that two thousand ten 70 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: type season. I mean, he certainly he has that drive. 71 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: He looks good, he came in camp in shape, and 72 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: he has something to prove if this offense is as 73 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: good as people think it can be and catches people 74 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: off guard, I feel like the guy's the limit for 75 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: this guy. Yeah, I think that the thing that's encouraging 76 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: out of Philadelphia is Kelly basically saying he's my starter 77 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: and I'm sticking with this guy. We're a year ago. 78 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: Andy ree was in trouble early, and you've got a 79 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: sense that Andy Reid was gonna lose his job, and 80 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: he started cycling through quarterbacks and vic got hurt. It 81 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: was it was about as bad a year as it 82 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: could be for Vic. I really think obviously that the 83 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: whole team's energized, and Vick is like suddenly five years younger. 84 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: He looks to me on the field. So we'll see 85 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: again Kenny stay healthy, well, that would be the big question. 86 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: I think the offensive line is much improved this year. 87 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: They're all healthy, so that that helps. I think for 88 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: the first time in what a twelve year NFL career, 89 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: he finally has an offense that's suited to his strengths 90 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: as a player. So that's promising. Uh, we always seen 91 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: him in fantasy. Didn't do it for you. Jim Mora 92 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: had like the exact opposite offense she should be running 93 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: for for For Vick, I guess for fantasy purposes, we 94 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: know we've seen him finish, uh take Take Owners to 95 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: the fantasy title two or three years ago. We know 96 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: he has that kind of upside. I guess that's tempered 97 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: a little bit from me by the loss of Macklin. 98 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: I thought, you know, two or three years ago he 99 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: had the best weapons in the league with they had 100 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: so much speed with Jackson maclen McCoy and if you 101 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: take Macklin out and replace him with Riley Cooper, the 102 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: upside isn't quite as good for me. Who's Riley Cooper. 103 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm buying Michael Vick because of what you said about 104 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: the offensive line. Could be such a weapon for them, 105 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: and he's the perfect type of guy. I didn't have 106 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: many strategies and fantasy pole but my main one was 107 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: guys that are really talented that are coming at discount prices. 108 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: He's already shown he can be a dominant type of 109 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: player and he's gonna be. You could probably take him 110 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: pretty late, and he has the upside of a top 111 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: couple guy. And I mean, I'm excited about watching this offense. 112 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: I'm buying into the entire Chip Kelly experience. And look 113 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: at the defenses in that division. None of those secondary 114 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: scare me at all. I think those are gonna be 115 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: a lot of high scoring games in the NFC East. 116 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: I will say this about VIC and fantasy league's there's 117 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: gonna be one guy in your league that's either an 118 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: Eagles fan or is reading a little too much into 119 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: the hype of Kelly's offense that will probably reach and 120 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: grab him, probably two rounds before he should go, so 121 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: you might have to act aggressively. That would be my 122 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: guess on that there's so many younger, cooler like versions 123 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: of Michael Vick now though, that people will take first 124 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: right the whole quarterback position, where if you had to 125 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: grab one of those five or six guys a year ago, 126 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: it's like you've got you can go another round and 127 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: still get someone of value. Now, what else is in 128 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:25,119 Speaker 1: the news? Levy on Bell we learned today is gonna 129 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: miss some time in the regular season. He's got a 130 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: Liz Frank injury. Uh Ian Rappaport reported for US it 131 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: sounds like he's gonna miss most likely the first month 132 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: of the season. They were really counting on him, uh 133 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: to be a big factor for them, be their starter. 134 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: They had so many problems in the running game. You know, 135 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: what do we think about this Steelers running game now? 136 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: I think it's West said it's so well when he 137 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: when Bell was going to play that first preseason game 138 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: and he didn't, that it robbed the fans of a 139 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: chance to watch this young back and really what would 140 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: have been one of the first featured backs for the 141 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: Steelers and a long time, We're gonna keep waiting and 142 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, the Steelers are do a good job of 143 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: overcoming injuries a lot of times every year they seem 144 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: to have someone sideline, but it's a big loss for them. 145 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: We've heard this narrative out of Pittsburgh for a couple 146 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: of years now since they ran off Arians that Tomlin 147 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: and the Rooneys want to get back the smash mail 148 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: football check touched on in the last week's podcast. They 149 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: want to pound the ball. I can't do the pittsburgher 150 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: act the yet their accent like check, but yeah, they 151 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: want to pound the ball. And it turns out they 152 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: basically have the same you know, running back by committee 153 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: that they're gonna have as last year, except you throw 154 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: in Steven's Halling, who isn't in every down type by 155 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: any means, so it's a patchwork committee. Again. I'd just 156 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: like to say that I did the a t L 157 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: post about the update that he has a List franc injury. 158 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: I did not provide an upper case for List Frank, 159 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: and then our senior news editor, Justin Hathaway emailed me 160 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: to say that it was actually a human being, this 161 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: List Frank character. And then, as it turns out, he 162 00:07:54,240 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: was a pioneering this is Wikipedia pioneering French surgeon and gynecologist. Well, 163 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: the injury came from soldiers. I mean, that's two pretty 164 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: different things right there. That the injury came from soldiers 165 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: falling off their horses and getting their foot stuck in 166 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: the stirrup and that would break their foot right in 167 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: the middle of it. And that's how you got a 168 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: midfoot sprain. Or laying by the pool. This is what 169 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: happens when you've got roughly seventeen or eighteen hours to 170 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: read a week case of beer pool research, reading off Wikipedia. 171 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: Wesley's got it all upstairs. I got a little Cliff Clayman. 172 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: I mean it's the mailman dates, that's right. One of 173 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: Wesleyan's favorites this year is Jamichael Finley, the Green Bay 174 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: Packers tight end. Mike McCarthy quoted UH this week saying 175 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: it's his best training camp he's ever had. Clear cut, 176 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: he's blocking, now he's catching. Are we buying the Jamachael 177 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: Finley hype? This goes back to the last six or 178 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: seven games of last year. He had played much better 179 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: than people realized he did. He got over his mid 180 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: season shoulder injury, and I believe set a new career 181 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: high for yardage last year, even though we missed a 182 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: game or two and was playing hurt. He's a better 183 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: player than people realize. They don't have Greg Jennings there anymore. 184 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: They're gonna need Finley to run more in the middle 185 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: of the field. And I think Eddie Lacy opened things 186 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: up a little bit too. I just see everything you know. 187 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: You hear the offensive coordina you're talking about. He finally 188 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: knows how to run routes. To me, that's a tangible thing, 189 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: not not hype. If he finally knows the offense he's 190 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: putting in a time, he's maturity, He's in a contract year. 191 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm buying in on Drew Michael Finley. I go with 192 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: you on the Lacy factor. Two. I watched that Rams game, 193 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: and West and I were talking about this before that, 194 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: the fact that like defense is actually have to respect 195 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: to some level the play action in Green Bay versus 196 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: a year ago when it was a complete joke. It 197 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: opened up that part of the field where Finley was 198 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: just so dangerous, and he had what three catches a 199 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: ton of yards in that game against the Rams, did 200 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: a nice job, and I just I think that's the 201 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: kind of games we could see from him consistently, and 202 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: that's just shaking his head vigorously over here. You know 203 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: what I and I respect. Here comes a two thousand 204 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: and nine reference. Now, I respect everyone in this room 205 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: their opinions except for settlers. And I will say this that, Uh, 206 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: the one thing I know about Finley is that he's 207 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: consistently inconsistent. And I understand that he has all the 208 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: tools there. But I've seen enough from him to to 209 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: think to myself, I don't see him ever becoming a 210 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: star player. He's gonna have his moments. He's in an 211 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: awesome offense, offense that could be more dynamic with a 212 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: better running game. Now, but he drops the ball, He's 213 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: gonna have drops, He's gonna go and dog dog house. 214 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: I I just don't think he's gonna be the guy. 215 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: And if you want to spin it back to fantasy, 216 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: I think he's a great late round flyer if you 217 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: can get him in the tenth round or something. But 218 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: I would not bet your house on Finley becoming a 219 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham type player. Well, you have to also consider 220 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: the uncertainty at the tight end position. This year, there's 221 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: only what two or three tight ends that we've lost 222 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: a bunch. You only feel comfort about wit M Graham 223 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: and gonzalways. Maybe I'm liking Finley. The one thing I 224 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: can tell you about him is that he's tall. I 225 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: mean in the last television spot I ever did was 226 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: one of an NBC Sports Network was one of the 227 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: more emasculating moments of my life. Interviewing Jamachael Finley outside 228 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: in the freezing cold in Indianapolis. He showed up late, 229 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: so we had to do it live, and uh, I 230 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: not only have to stand on a box, it was 231 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: it was a pretty big box and that that was 232 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: the first for me, and that just sort of that 233 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: just sort of let me know where I was. But 234 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: if you want, if you somehow found that tape on 235 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: the internet. However, me and Jamichael eye to eye right there, 236 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: you look daunting on that close up shot. Yeah, it 237 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: was a little a little scary, alright. Anything else, Uh, 238 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: Arian Foster's back on the practice field. Uh, we don't 239 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: know how extensive it is, so we don't know how important, 240 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: but he is off the populist. We talked about him 241 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: the other day. Also Lamar Miller and Daniel Thomas, your 242 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: boy Miller Westling over there is struggling to get ahold 243 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: of this starting running back job. They are splitting reps 244 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: in Miami. Yeah, he seems like he's just not playing 245 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: with confidence. I the coaches, No, he's a better talent. 246 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: That's what they talked about all off season. They want 247 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: to give him the job. It seems to me like 248 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: this is one of those motivational ploys. He has to 249 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: earn it, and he hasn't earned it yet. To me, 250 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: the talent will win out in the end. I wouldn't 251 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: worry about too much of Daniel Thomas. We've seen what 252 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: he is as an NFL back. Uh, He's a bit 253 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: on the plotting side. He fumbles a lot. He hasn't 254 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: really converted in short yardage yardage like they like. So 255 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: I think I think this is gonna be Lamar Miller's job. 256 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: But for fantasy purposes, I would I guess I would 257 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: advise don't expect him to be reliable in September. He's 258 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: one of those guys at the hype maybe inflated him 259 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: too much now to the point where he's not really 260 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: a sleeper anymore. He's just a guy that's going early. 261 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: Because everyone like Wesley has been talking him up all offseason. 262 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: How could he be battling with confidence if he was 263 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: a making the lead candidate for around the league. It 264 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: seems to have taken You think he would be just 265 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: filled and pouring out. Could it be because one making 266 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: the leap candidate after the next has been filled by 267 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: injury or like at all? That's not true. Between forty guys, 268 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, some are gonna get suspended, some are gonna 269 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: get arrested. Whatever we need that Brady Bunch Hawaiian episode 270 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: background noise, the cursed thing whenever we talk about making 271 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: let's find it on YouTube. Um. Okay, So Mark Cesler 272 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: and I are are mirror mortals when it comes to 273 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: fantasy sports. We both play. We we co own a 274 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: team in NFL. It's called alson brie Um and she 275 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: finds out about probably restraining order is in line. But 276 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: the two gentlemen. The other gentleman in the room, Greg Rosenthal, 277 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: former editor in chief and overall czar over at Rhodo 278 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: World for like eight years, that's two presidential terms. And 279 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: then Wes was were you like a Consigliari type of character? Yeah, 280 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: you could say that. Okay, So you guys are experts. 281 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 1: So you know, take what Mark and I say with 282 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: the grain of salt. But listen, listen very closely to 283 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: Rosenthal and Westling as we give each of us give 284 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: our advice for the fantasy draft coming up. I hate 285 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: that word expert. That's my that's my point of advice. 286 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: Is it, you absolutely love it. The experts don't know 287 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: what they're talking about. That's my piece of advice is, 288 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: don't pay that close of attention to the fantasy rankings. 289 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: You can use them to give you some information on 290 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: who's draftable and all that, but after a while there 291 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: becomes a logic like this guy's a second round pick, 292 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: this guy's a fifth round pick. Don't take him to it. 293 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't None of it means anything. It doesn't mean anything, 294 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: and no one could possibly predict how crazy the season 295 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: is gonna be. If you lined up what the end 296 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: of the season rankings are for everyone and you made 297 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: that your preseason ranking, somehow people would say you were nuts. 298 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I was talking to a friend the other 299 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: night and he had the number two pick, and he 300 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: was saying, Oh, I like these guys. I kind of 301 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: like McCoy though, Is that is that that crazy? To 302 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: take mcquoy is like, why wouldn't you take Lashawn? Just 303 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: take him? I mean, oh, but he's supposed to be 304 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: the fifth or sixth pick. If no one knows any thing, 305 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: I mean, give me, give me a break. Am I right? 306 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: You leaving the industry and then torching it. I think 307 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm seeing and then a match when when I was 308 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: at Rotor, what I told people the exact same thing 309 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: is greg there's no right answer. This isn't scientific. Go 310 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: with your gut. If you like a guy, take him. 311 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: Information is great, learning more about all the players in 312 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: the situation. That's all good. Knowing all the players, that's important. 313 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: That's where fantasy. You know, analysts, everyone can help you out, 314 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: but they'll just be sort of a logic that sets 315 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: in and none of it makes any sense, Like, oh, 316 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: you can't take if Colin. If you like Colin Kaepernick, 317 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: make him your top quarterback, make him the number one quarterback, 318 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: and take him in the first round if you want. 319 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. He could be the number one quarterback. 320 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: Why not. Crazier things happen every every year. Quarterback in 321 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: the first round. Not necessarily, but if I found feeling it, 322 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: and that's who I want sure. Yeah, don't let the 323 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: experts say so, you're saying that's the type of stuff 324 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: not to listen to the experts always have this, take 325 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: this position in this, don't worry about any of that 326 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: position stuff. Just take best player on your board. Shouldn't 327 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: you build a team off of players that you don't 328 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: hate number one, that you don't want to succeed. That's 329 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: what I never liked about fantasy football, was like, why 330 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: am I rooting for Heinz Ward to score a three 331 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: our touchdown and knocked the Browns out of this game? Well, 332 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: along with that advice is I did take a peek 333 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: a peek at the average draft position this year just 334 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: to see what's going on, and it was crazy that 335 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson and and Reggie Bush were in the top 336 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: twenty or twenty five. As I is this two thousand 337 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: and six. What is going on that somehow has become 338 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: a logical thing And that's not logical. So that's my point. 339 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm done. What do you got? You guys want to 340 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: hear a bit of a rank? Yeah, it's just kind 341 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: of piggybacking off at Greg's point, like um getting and 342 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: you guys are like industry men who are on for 343 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: like beer number four. This is like Don Draper when 344 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: he kind of goes off and destroys his own agency. 345 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: I hate the term expert to all these guys from 346 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: all of the different webs sights who write about fancy. 347 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: They all stand in line behind each other and become 348 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: this big click and everybody's afraid to stand out there. 349 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: Just you. Just everybody has to agree on where you 350 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: should take a player, and to me, it defeats the 351 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: whole purpose of the game. Along those lines, you know, 352 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: like Greg was saying, you have to take this guy 353 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: in the first round. Guys that ask who should I 354 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: take it? Number three? Overall, do you want me to 355 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: wine and dine your wife, for you to kiss her 356 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: at the end of the night, for you make up 357 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: your own mind? This is your team, alright, So really 358 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: you're still gonna That was my ramp, but my piece 359 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: of advice. Okay, with all of this information handy, We've 360 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: got Twitter, We've got sites like Rhodo World, NFL dot 361 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: com has a one hour fantasy show every day. Information 362 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: everybody has it. Now, you're not getting a sleeper. To me, 363 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: the sleeper is dead. You go for guys take advantage 364 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: of recency bias, which is Ryan Matthews was seventh and 365 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: Fantasy points in two thousand and eleven, but because he 366 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: played through two collar bone injuries last year, everybody assumes 367 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: he's an injury prone guy who will always disappoint you. 368 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford a few years ago have missed eighteen of 369 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: thirty two games. Everybody called him a China doll. Then 370 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: he throws for five thousand yards and thirty eight touchdowns 371 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: the next year, and all of a sudden, he's cured. 372 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: This is recency bias. Take advantage of it. There are 373 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: so many bargains out there. Like Greg said, who you 374 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: want are the really talented guys who everybody has written 375 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: off and decided they're no good anymore. To me? A 376 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: guy like Ryan Matthews falls in there, and if you 377 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: look at his injuries, they're kind of like, um, the uh, 378 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: what you see isn't their factor. People forget that we 379 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: don't see college injuries. So Adrian Peterson, it's kind of 380 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: similar injuries to Ryan Matthews. Because they happened in college, 381 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: they're not on fantasy owners minds. And the way I 382 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: saw Ryan Matthews run the other night. To me, he 383 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: looks like two thousand eleven Ryan Matthews Wesley dropping knowledge. Hey, 384 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: I could jump in and give mine, but I'm gonna 385 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: throw it to Sessler. She always want to be the 386 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: guy that follows, the guy that failed, not the legend 387 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: you know by the way. So Dan and I are 388 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: heading into year three of co owning a team, and 389 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: the last two nights of the draft. Dan has been 390 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: the first time. He was flat out, just on vacation 391 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: and on an unavailable. Last year he was like in 392 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: New York, partly available, and when he needed him too, 393 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: I stepped away and needed him to make a pick. 394 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: He missed it and we got auto drafted Ridley, who 395 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: was our best player. Maybe people just turned the volume 396 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: down from the next time. I would like to invite 397 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: you to be part of the process this year, Dan, uh, 398 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna give you two guys, a a riser 399 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: who in a bust. Listen, if you're out there and 400 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: you're a complete novice, this will be of use to you. 401 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: But I love Shane Vereen on the Patriots hand language, 402 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I have enough going on. Fantasy 403 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: football is not my top priority, but I like Shane 404 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: Vereen on the Patriots for the reason that we talked 405 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: about Aaron Nandez cannot be completely replaced. But this is 406 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: one guy that's gonna take some of that action. And 407 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: I don't think he's a he's maybe a flex guy. 408 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: Plug him in that way. They're going to use him 409 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: as a runner, as a pass catcher, and I think 410 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: that Belichick saying, listen, Verene, We're gonna give you a 411 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: big chance. It's up to you to make a click. 412 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: And he's done really well early on in the preseason. 413 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: So that's my guy to cling on to. Potentially it's 414 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: a flex guy. My bust potential is Monty Ball not 415 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: feeling it, and I and that maybe that's presumptuous right now, 416 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: but I think number one, it's that's cooked right into 417 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: a complete We're gonna use him, and we're gonna use Ball. 418 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: Neither one of these guys for a while is going 419 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: to take over in the run game. I'd stay away 420 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 1: from him. That's some hardcore fantasy advice right there. That's 421 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: actually it reminds me of what we talked about a 422 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: month or two ago on the podcast. You were that 423 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: just slotting those rookies in that they're gonna be fine. Well, 424 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: suddenly Bell is out a month, Ball is struggling to 425 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: get the starting job. Arthur Brown and Matty Elam aren't 426 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: even starting in Baltimore. It's usually doesn't as well as 427 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: you expect it to go um real quick. For me, 428 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: I would just say draft as many cults as possible. 429 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: I think that offense is gonna be a dynamic. I 430 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: think like that. I think Luck, by the way, and 431 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to this is a bit of a teaser, 432 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: but later in the month our blog is going to 433 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: have some heavy p picks. But I think Luck is 434 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: gonna be amazing this year. I love Reddy Wayne, I 435 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: love t Y Hilton, even like Kobe Fleaner, like in 436 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: my bratshow potentially, I even like d HB a little bit, 437 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: Darius Heyward Bay No, Duayne Allen love making the lead 438 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, Duayne all and even love Duyne Allen. So 439 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: give give the cults a good look on your board. 440 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: I know making the lead candidates there a prepared statement 441 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: of any kind, But Greg made a point the other 442 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: day on our record predictions, and I feel like I 443 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: may have sold the Coults a little short. No you 444 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: made an excellent point. If if we believe Andrew luck 445 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: is going to be one of these quarterbacks who can 446 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: carry his team, why wouldn't I predict them to be 447 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: a better than eight and eight team. I think that's 448 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: a good point, all right, So that is that is 449 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: our fantasy segment for the for the show. I thought 450 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: that went pretty well. We might have to bring that 451 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: back sometime. We'll let us know what you think. Hashtag Crystal, 452 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: how did that sound? By the way, that's amazing, except 453 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: you forgot hashtag NFL A t L Right, Okay, Well, 454 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: hard to please, Cristal, I've found in my life so far. 455 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: But we're always trying. We're always trying. We're gonna go 456 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: on now. We have the a f C West preview. 457 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: We've done all three the other three a f C divisions. 458 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: We're gonna wrap up the West. We're gonna move on 459 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: to the NFC on Friday. But let's start one question 460 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: each of us and then we'll break it down. The Boss, 461 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, Broncos. All right, von Miller was suspended the 462 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: first six games of the season. My question is, does 463 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: that really have a big impact on the Broncos this year? Well, 464 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: I thought von Miller was the second best player defensive 465 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: player in the NFL last year, behind J. J. Watt. 466 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: Having said that, it sounds so incongruous to follow up 467 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: with it doesn't matter that division is so weak and 468 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: the Broncos are so much better than the rest of 469 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: the division. Even if they get out to a five 470 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: record over the first seven or eight games, they're gonna 471 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: tear through the rest of the second half of the season. 472 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: I agree with that. I think it's it. You know 473 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: that that defense is not going to be as dynamic 474 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: as it could be. But listen, this is Peyton Manning's 475 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: swan song. Potentially they've built the whole team for Super 476 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: Bowl Search. They've had a tremendously rough offseason, but I 477 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 1: think you're right. They get out of that first stretch 478 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: three and three, four and three or so, and then 479 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: they roll from there. That's what they did last year. Well, 480 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: let's look at the schedule over those six games that 481 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: he's missing. Do you have opening home against the Ravens. 482 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: Tough game at the Giants, is tough home to Raiders. 483 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: They're gonna take care of business their home against the Eagles. 484 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: I think they're fine there and then you have at 485 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: Cowboys or do we think that they can't beat Dallas 486 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: on the road without von Miller? And then home against 487 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: the Jaguars. They should easily have three wins there and 488 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: maybe four. And if they get out as long as 489 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: they get out with three or four wins, who cares. 490 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: It's fine. I worry about giving wins and losses. But 491 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: Jaguars and Raiders at home. That those that's the two 492 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: easiest games that you could possibly come up with. I mean, 493 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: I think the case against Denver is von Miller when 494 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: he comes back, isn't quite von Miller. I mean everyone 495 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: in football kind of glosses over the p DS or 496 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: substance abuse policy. You know when you're missing six weeks 497 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: that you're just gonna come back and be the same 498 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: guy right away. You know, you don't know that he's 499 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: gonna be able to back up that season. And then 500 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: you worry about their defensive line. They lost Dumerville. Champ 501 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: Bailey's getting up there in years. Uh, he's not a 502 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: hundred percent. He might have been ready for Week one either, 503 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: some change that lineback of right Derek Wolfs hurt. So 504 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: I think the case against them is that their defense 505 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: would really have a big decline ultimately, though, I don't think. 506 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: I think they still have a great chance to get 507 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: a buy in the a f C. I do I 508 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: could see costing them maybe one or two wins in 509 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: the big picture, but that's still probably to me puts 510 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: them at eleven or twelve. So I think the Bronchos 511 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: are going to survive this. And in the a f C, 512 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: I don't see you know, three teams with eleven or 513 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: twelve wins this season. That's the thing. It's really less 514 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: about maybe the other teams in their division, and they're 515 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: competing with the other teams in the a f C 516 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: for that one and two seed. Okay, so I'll jump 517 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: in next with the Chiefs. There maybe the biggest buzz 518 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: team in that in this division. You know, a lot 519 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: of people I was in this building last year, there 520 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: were a lot of people that were excited both here 521 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: at NFL media and across the media and fans that 522 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 1: we're thinking that last year the Chiefs are gonna be 523 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: a team that could be a playoff team. They ended 524 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: up going up in flames, huge dumpster fire when they 525 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: go to and fourteen. Now you you got Andy Reid 526 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: in a coach, you have Alex Smith in a quarterback 527 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: and a Romeo Cornell is as it's a huge upgrade 528 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: from Cornell, and Smith is a big upgrade from Castle. 529 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: But are we supposed to buy in automatically that this 530 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 1: team is a playoff team. I'm not sure I'm in. 531 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: I can't buy that. I don't see the talent on offense. 532 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: If Jamal Charles gets hurt, let's say, bottom of the 533 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: barrel offense, Jamal Charles is going to be their joker. 534 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: From everything we've read, They're gonna use him for mismatches 535 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: out wide, in the slot, everywhere. He's a chess piece 536 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: for Andy Reid if he goes down. I mean, what 537 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: Donnie Avery couldn't separate from Jonathan Baldwin before they gave 538 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: up on Baldwin. Now we're supposed to buy that he's 539 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: a number two receiver with mccluster. Every coach who comes 540 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: in there, every offensive coordinator, talks about how he's got 541 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: all these plans from a cluster. He never does anything. 542 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: Dwayne Bow is good. But from what I saw in 543 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: film watching yesterday, Alex Smith through every pass in the 544 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: middle of the field. He's not throwing outside the numbers, 545 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: the Dwayne bow Everything's going to running backs and tight ends. 546 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 1: I don't see this offense really as in. The defense 547 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: is average too, I guess, but I don't see this 548 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: team making the playoffs. If you give it up on 549 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: Andy Reid as a as a difference maker, yes, I have. 550 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: Really I don't know if I can agree with with 551 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: the Andy Reid knock there because I look at Reid 552 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: and and Alex Smith and logically West what you're saying 553 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: is is true. It's hard to project this as a 554 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: team with a winning record, nissarly, but these two seem 555 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: to be and this is this is what football is about. 556 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: Sometimes these guys seem to be driven to prove their 557 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: detractors wrong. And I think that, yeah, they're not the 558 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: most dynamic offense in the in football, but they play 559 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: in a division where with the charges and Raiders alone 560 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: they can pick up wins they wouldn't in another division. 561 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't have a huge problem with them going 562 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: eight and eat or better. I think the issue I 563 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: have also is with Alex Smith and the benefit of 564 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: the doubt that he now gets that his career is 565 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: now turned around and he's going to be the Alex 566 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: Smith that he was the previous two years in San 567 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: Francisco hardball. I think Jim Harbor had a huge role 568 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: in turning him back into a quality player, and more importantly, 569 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: he protected him in terms of the plays they called 570 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: in the throws he made. I don't think Alex Smith 571 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: is gonna win games single handedly. I saw maybe do 572 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: it once in a playoff game against the Saints, but 573 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: in general, I think he's a game manager, potentially a 574 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: good game manager, but I don't I don't buy into 575 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: Smith as being the savior in Kansas City. I shared 576 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: Dance concerns about Smith, but I feel like we're selling 577 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: Andy Reid short. A couple of years ago, we were 578 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: talking about him as the best coach or one of 579 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: the best coaches in the NFL, along with Bill Belichick, 580 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: and I'm buying into the revived Andy Reid in a 581 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: new city making a difference for them as an offense 582 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: in general, and whenever I'm looking for surprise teams, I 583 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: look to the schedule and it's tough. It's tough to 584 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: predict to as an easy schedule, but that division has 585 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: some easy wins, like Mark mentioned, and they play the 586 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: a f C South out of division, and I think 587 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: that's a pretty another easy division. So I think there's 588 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: room for either the Chiefs or the Chargers to be 589 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: a surprise team. And because of Read, I like I 590 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: like the Chiefs. I have two follow up thoughts on Read. 591 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: I don't think it's possible to do a better coaching 592 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: job with Alex Smith and Jim Harrible and Greg Roman 593 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: did that was just masterful. That's they just played to 594 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: Smith every strength he had and took away every weakness. 595 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: But if you want to defend Andy Reid, you can 596 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: say that he gave too much of the offensive responsibility 597 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: to Marty morning Wig, and he came out and said that, look, 598 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: we we didn't run the ball enough, and it was 599 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: because morning Wig didn't want to run it kind of 600 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: threw them under the bus. But now Doug Peterson the 601 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: first time off into coordinator and maybe we see Andy 602 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: Reid taking control again. I feel like we're I'll just 603 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: doubting Andy Reid. Don't back the Andy Reid into a corner. 604 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: You've seen him at those putty passing kid competitions. It's 605 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: a bad man um Alright, So we got the Chargers 606 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: and Mark Cecil will handle that I actually am doing 607 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: the Raiders den alright, we're gonna do the Raiders, and 608 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 1: we're going to Mark Sessler. All right. So obviously one 609 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: of the bigger in house bets, uh inside the A T. 610 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: L world is that if the Raiders were to reach 611 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: or surpass six wins, Chris Wessling and I have to 612 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: do nothing if they don't do this, but if they do, 613 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: Wesling has a vowed to he's a softball player, to 614 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: eat his softball pants. Now we have discussed before that 615 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: I believe a third of the cloth can be made 616 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: into a soup of some sort, but regardless, that would 617 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: be a rough road, and so a broth. You could 618 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: do whatever you need to get that third of the 619 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: pants down, but the rest has to be straight on 620 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: sort of cloth chewing with some the zipper, the entire thing. 621 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: I don't have to eat the zip. The entire thing. 622 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: We'll discuss. But like question, flat out, do we get 623 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: to Christmas or let's say New Year's in his west 624 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: eating his softball pants? I don't think so. I'm just 625 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: hoping it's close, so that we're getting to week seventeen 626 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: and we're watching like Sebastian Janikowski lineup for a vehicle 627 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: and the in the softball pans eating is all on. 628 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: That would be exciting. I think that would be great. 629 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: I will bring the pants into the office, will hold 630 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: them up. We're watching Sea Bass kick. I think that 631 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: would be a fun atmosphere. What does it get? Six wins? Come? 632 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: No way? Just to get to six, right, that would 633 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: do it. I have pulled them out of the marinade. 634 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: I've given him at talk. I've told him there's no 635 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: way we're not stretching another single into a double. It's 636 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: absolutely gonna happen. Don't worry about the Raiders. I like 637 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: that you talk to your clothes. Losing Jared vel Deer 638 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: was huge. I mean if if they win six, I 639 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: honestly think Dennis Allen should be a Coach of the 640 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: Year Canada if they go six and ten or seven eleven, 641 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: because that they they're talking about this isn't last year. 642 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: With the rebuilding process has started. But I don't know. 643 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: All those starters are brand new guys and not a 644 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: lot of talent. And the only thing I will say 645 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: about the Raiders current leadership structure is if Dennis Allen 646 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: pulled out five or six wins to him and Mackenzie 647 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: still get fired. I could still see, I could see 648 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: it happening, and it would be a terrible decision. But 649 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm just I don't trust that entire organization 650 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: from the top down. They need more time, I mean, 651 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: but they may not get it because that's not how 652 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: the NFL works right now. But it's like, will Mark 653 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: Davis suddenly go somewhat insane, pull the plug on the 654 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: entire operation. But what's listening to this right now? I 655 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: hope he is? What's to love about what the operation is? 656 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,479 Speaker 1: At this point? It's possibly the least talented team in 657 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: all of football from a roster like what, what's even close? 658 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: And how long does Alex Barron last as left tackle? 659 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: Is that? Is it gonna end after this week? Is 660 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: he gonna make it to the regular season? I'd say 661 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: he doesn't make it out of September as the starter. Yeah, 662 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,479 Speaker 1: that could be maybe for like a softball Jersey. Um, alright, 663 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: so West, you actually have the San Diego Chargers. Okay, 664 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: so we poke fun at the Raiders expense, We make jokes, 665 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: we make bets. Do the Raiders have a chance to 666 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: have a better record? Than the Chargers. From what I 667 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: saw Philip Rivers, every pass he threw more than fifteen 668 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: yards was a jump ball between the offense and the defense. 669 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: He doesn't have the army we once did. He's got 670 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: no offensive line. The question is, do the Chargers have 671 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: a chance to finish as the worst team in that division. No, 672 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, you're just always a chance, 673 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: but I think the Chargers have a much better chance 674 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,239 Speaker 1: of being second place. I'm a little surprised that no 675 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: one out there. I haven't seen your guys predictions yet, 676 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: but Chargers aren't getting much love as as a bounce 677 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: back team, and they kind of makes sense to me 678 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: for the same reason I picked the Chiefs. The schedule 679 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: in the division, and they've got a quarterback who's shown 680 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: it can be pretty good. Uh, you know, I think 681 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: they have a better chance to go eight and eight 682 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,479 Speaker 1: than than be like the Raiders. I have to go 683 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: down that same path. I I see where you're coming from, 684 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: and actually, when I look at my standings, they really 685 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: don't look a whole lot better than the Raiders. In 686 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: my book, Rivers is pretty questionable, but I actually believe 687 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: that McCoy is the kind of coach that can get 688 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: the most out of pretty average offensive weapons. I mean, 689 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to always go back to what he 690 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: did with Tebow, but he's a creative coach. He's willing 691 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: to play to his players strength, and so I don't 692 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: see them completely bottoming out and losing the a f C. West. 693 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: What's Philip Rivers strength at this point in his career? Well, no, 694 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: I don't think that Phil River that was that was early. 695 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: He peaked early with that too. Um yeah, I think 696 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: it's not crazy to imagine Philip Rivers becoming a top 697 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,959 Speaker 1: ten quarterback again. I mean, he's pretty young, he's showing 698 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: a pretty high level. If they can protect him, it 699 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: wouldn't be that surprising, would it. I mean, he's still 700 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: pretty ten. Seems I would be shocked. I think he's 701 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: basically Carson Palmer right now. He's lost too much arm 702 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: strength and that makes him gamble too much and throw 703 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: too many picks, too many turnovers. To me, he's a 704 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: journeyman quarterback now he's car Your question is will they 705 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: be worse than the Raiders? And I would take Philip 706 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: Rivers over Matt Flynn or anything the Raiders are throwing 707 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: at you, plus we got making the leap candidates Kendall, 708 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: Reis and Corey. Legit. The Raiders don't have any combo 709 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: like that. They got some interesting but Eric weddled, you know, 710 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: butler line. Alright, fellas, so let's do it. Let's do 711 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 1: let's go around the horn um and pick the records West. 712 00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: Start with you Broncos eleven five, Chiefs seven and nine, 713 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: Chargers three and thirteen, Raiders two and four. All right, 714 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: it's fair, go ahead, Mark, mine are similar. I have 715 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: the Broncos at a eleven four and one, and because 716 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: of that tie with the Chiefs, the Chiefs sneak into 717 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: the playoffs at nine, six and one. He's buying the Chiefs, 718 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: the Chargers four and twelve, and the Raiders bringing up 719 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 1: the rear at two and fourteen, right, and that's probably 720 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: gotta be getting them the number one pick there two 721 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 1: and fourteen. I guess we have to see the rest 722 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: of the Seltzer's pick. I have the Broncos falling back 723 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: to Earth a little bit because of that defense and 724 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: going ten and six, the Chiefs also making the playoffs 725 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: at nine and seven, going back to uh. A lot 726 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: of rib eating for Andy Reids. Well, part of it 727 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 1: is you got to pick some new playoff teams, and uh, 728 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: this would still make four of the six a f 729 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: C teams for market I returning the playoffs, Westling and 730 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: Data are just going chalk even more so. But you 731 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: gotta Cleveland Browns the rest of my case. Okay, Chiefs 732 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: nine and seven, Chargers six and ten, and the Raiders 733 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: at three and thirteen. All right, and then I also 734 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: had the Broncos eleven and five. Uh, they're gonna lose 735 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: a winner two because of Miller, Chiefs at seven and nine, 736 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: Chargers five and eleven, and the Raiders. They drop a 737 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: one in fifteen. Wow. No, wait, quick questions. So who's 738 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 1: everyone's number one seed in the ANFC now that we've 739 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: gone through. Mine would be, uh, the New England Patriots 740 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: and the Steelers would be the number two seed. I 741 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: have the Colts and Broncos winning division, and then the 742 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: Chiefs and the Ravens and the Chiefs as the wild cards. 743 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: I have Broncos is number one, Texans is number two. 744 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: I don't think the Texans even get to DAFC Championship 745 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: because of a lack of preparation. I don't have my 746 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: records in front of me, but I think I have 747 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: the Pats at twelve and four, so that would have 748 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: made them the one seed, and then the Broncos and 749 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: Bengals are both eleven and five. Let's say the Broncos 750 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: get the tiebreakers, so Broncos and pass again. I have 751 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: four eleven and five teams for the division winners. I've 752 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: got Patriots number one seed, Texans number two seed. So 753 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 1: not a lot of surprises in the a f C. 754 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: I've you know, I have sources that have shown me 755 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: some of the NFC picks. They are a little more exciting. 756 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: The NFC is tougher to pick. There's more new playoff tunes, 757 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: there's more upsets, so you have that to look forward to, 758 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,479 Speaker 1: not as boring as these a f C picks. All right, so, um, 759 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: we ran out of time, so we can't talk about 760 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,479 Speaker 1: hard Knocks today, which is probably for the best because 761 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 1: half of us didn't even watch the episode. Um, we'll 762 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: be back on Friday where we break down. I guess 763 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: the NFC East. NFC East is next, Yes, get excited, um, 764 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: and I guess that's it. Download download our podcast on iTunes, 765 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: Rate it, leave comments. 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