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Speaker 1: speaking of fun uh today talking about real dirt bag today,

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Speaker 1: she's no summer peach herself. I guess not. I mean

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Speaker 1: don't we all? Don't we all? Indeed I would have

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Speaker 1: probably made different choices from her, but she had different

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Speaker 1: you just have good choices, right, And that's exactly what

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into about this couple today. So

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Speaker 1: I'm ready. Hey, their French condition, Well, Elia and Diana

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Speaker 1: got some choices to tell. No match making, a romantic tips.

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Speaker 1: It's just about ridiculous relationships, a love. It might be

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Speaker 1: First things First, you've seen the title of the show.

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Speaker 1: You've seen this guy's name written down. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about this for like two days. All due respect to

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Speaker 1: I gotta say, it wouldn't be so funny if this

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Speaker 1: the Sunday Times by Amy Turner in two thousand eight.

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Speaker 1: There's a New York Times article that came after Burton's death,

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Speaker 1: Crazy Love, which came out in two thousand seven. It's

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Speaker 1: specifically about this couple, and it is quite a story.

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Speaker 1: Check it out because it'll it'll fill in all the

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Speaker 1: but I don't think that that's kind of inherent in

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Speaker 1: he graduated there in nineteen fifty. He practiced negligence law. Now,

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Speaker 1: this centers around harm that's caused by people or businesses

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Speaker 1: He might get to London in a few years. He's

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Speaker 1: He takes her out a few times. He's just really

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Speaker 1: it had to end sometime. At some point. Linda had

423
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: to go back to New York and Larry was also

424
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: going into the Army. So this idyllic fantasy ended. So

425
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: Linda gets back to New York and guess what, it's

426
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: more the same Bert saying, Oh, this divorce is really ending.

427
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: I love you so much. I promise, I promise. It

428
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: just hasn't gone through yet. The only reason I lied

429
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: to you is because I didn't want to lose you.

430
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: I mean, all these just classic I mean talk about

431
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: a bouquet of red flags, all of them right, and

432
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: like cliche lines like these lines are also like if

433
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: you wrote it in a script now you'd be like,

434
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: they'd go this, I'd reject this, but being terrible, no

435
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: one would say this in real life. Bertold and Linda

436
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: didn't really know what to do because she did kind

437
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: of see a really wild, adventurous life with Bert and

438
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: she would be in luxury and be provided for and happy,

439
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: except she couldn't trust him obviously, so even though everything

440
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: would be provided for her, she would be with a

441
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: man that she absolutely couldn't trust, right because he's lied

442
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: to work twice now, in addition to all the little

443
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: tiny lies, And so even if she wanted this idyllic life,

444
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: she couldn't have it because he was still married. Still,

445
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: though she hoped that maybe this divorce would go through

446
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: and maybe there is something here still, she really, like

447
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: we said, just kind of didn't have that much else

448
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: to look forward to. But then she got a phone

449
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: call from none other then Mrs Bougash Francine, and poor

450
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: Francine says, hey, look, if you want to date him,

451
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: you can date them all you want. I don't really care,

452
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you right now. I need you to

453
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: know I am not gonna give him a divorce that

454
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: it ain't happening. I don't care what you'll do, but

455
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: he's not divorce and me because he's responsible for her,

456
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: He's responsible for that kid, and he's trying to run

457
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: off just because he wants to sleep with other people,

458
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: uh and ditch her because she doesn't suit his needs anymore.

459
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: And so obviously Francine is like, that's that doesn't work

460
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: for me. You know, I'm not going to get totally

461
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: screwed here because you want to go out and get

462
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: screwed here. I know. She's like, I'm trying to be

463
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: married and have a life. I'm not trying to be

464
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: a side piece for the rest of my life. And

465
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: that's not happening. And Francine is like, yeah, if you

466
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: divorce me, I'm out of my ass. I have nothing.

467
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: I take care of this kid, you know, who's a

468
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: lot of work and probably a lot of money that

469
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: she's not gonna be able to pull in on her own, right,

470
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: And I'm sure Bert is definitely lending a hand well

471
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: on the hard parts of taking care of yeah, right,

472
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: And can you imagine what that divorce would be, like,

473
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: he is a sleees ball lawyer. She would get nothing

474
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: out of that divorce. And I'm sure she knows it.

475
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 1: I think that's what she was king. She's like, she's like,

476
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: I can't trust him either, girl, none of us can.

477
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: He's a liar and I don't know what he's going

478
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: to do to me. So I might be on the

479
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: street with a severely disabled daughter I don't have enough

480
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: money to take care of. So yeah, I'm not give

481
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: him a divorce. And Linda said, all right, that sounds

482
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: reasonable to me, So fuck this. I'm out. If he's

483
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: not going to divorce Francine, that's not going to happen,

484
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: So I'm not hanging around. Goodbye. And she called it

485
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: off for good, gusted her hands off, So fuck this,

486
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: you goodbye. But then his behavior took a real turn

487
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: Bird's secretary from which I'm like, his behavior already sucked,

488
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: but it got real dramatic. Bird's secretary and a friend

489
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: of his said, he just flipped and acted like a toddler.

490
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: He banged his fists and feet on the ground like

491
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: in a temper tantrum, shouting Linda, and when he threatened suicide,

492
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: his friends had him committed, but he used his lawyer

493
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: connections to get himself out within like, oh, immediately he

494
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: called he called one of his friends down there to

495
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: raise hell and like got himself totally checked out of

496
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: that institution he probably belonged in. So now he's not

497
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: in there and he starts stalking Linda. He calls her

498
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: all the time, he calls her friends in family. He

499
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: hired guys to throw rocks through her windows because he

500
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 1: was kind of like, if she's scared enough, she'll have

501
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: to come back to me. That is such deranged thinking,

502
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: very gross, very scary mindset. Yeah, and I think my

503
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: understanding and from the stories I've heard from women not uncommon.

504
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: I will frighten you into running into my arms. But

505
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: it's like guys who will follow a woman, you know,

506
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: and she has to take forty five minutes out of

507
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: her day to go hide somewhere until he finally gets

508
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: tired and leaves. Like, what what do you think is

509
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: going to happen? She's going to be like, oh, finally

510
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: my prince has come. But whatever, that's that persistence wins.

511
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: The prize really gets muddled for people in their brain.

512
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: And of course you know. She telled the cops about it,

513
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: because she's like, I'm scared for my freaking safety and

514
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: the cops and nothing we can do, which is what

515
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: they still do, by the way today if you're often

516
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: if you're being stocked or harassed. They were like, did

517
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 1: you see him personally do that? And she said, well no,

518
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: but he's definitely hired these guys to do it. And

519
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: they're like, well, come on, he's a lawyer. What are

520
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: we gonna do. Thank you so much for making me

521
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: feel protected and safe. But then Larry came back. Larry

522
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: he got out of the army and he showed up

523
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: in New York looking for her, and she's like, finally

524
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm free of Bert. Right army guy here, I know, right?

525
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: And Larry is like a normal guy. He drives an

526
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: old station wagon. He's not flashy or wealthy like Bird,

527
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: but he was kind and he loved her, and so

528
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: they dated for a while and eventually they send out

529
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: their wedding invitations and she's going to marry Larry, Mary, Larry, Mary, Larry.

530
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: There you go, girl, sounds like an oldies song. I'm

531
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: gone Mary, Lary, Larry's gonna marry me. See you get it.

532
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: Everybody come to the wedding now because I'm finally poogash free. Yeah,

533
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: I love it. All we need in the background is

534
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: like do do do do do? Do Do? Do? Do? Do? Do Do?

535
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: Do do do? Do? Somebody lay those together? Yeah, put it together.

536
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: So Bert is still in pursuit and he goes to

537
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: Linda's father's house. I guess he's tried every other avenue.

538
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: He's like, I'll go to her dad and he says, hey,

539
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: maybe you can help me get it back, and her

540
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: dad says, hey, sorry, buddy, too late. She's engaged. And

541
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: Burnt I think you'd sum in on his eyes and

542
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: they just faint bursts and his his forehead is pulse saying,

543
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: and he's like twitching, and he just loses his stupid

544
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: little mind and he says that classic villainous, horrible thing

545
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: that monsters always say, if nobody care. And Linda had

546
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: told Larry about Burt, and he's like, he's like, what

547
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: does Larry sounds like. He's like, Oh, he's just an idiot.

548
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: He's just blowing off steam. Just superman. Yeah, very forties,

549
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: even have your arms at Kimbo. But one night they

550
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: come home and lurking in the shadows across the street,

551
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: there's some figure and Larry says, hey, there's someone over

552
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 1: there I think we should be cognizant of. And Linda's like,

553
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: fuck me, that's definitely Burt and it was it is Burton.

554
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: He himself, in an interview says, yeah, I was there.

555
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: I had a gun and my plan was to kill Larry.

556
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: But he says I just couldn't do it. I couldn't

557
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: pull the trigger. He says, it's harder than you think

558
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 1: it is to shoot somebody. Well, I'm glad to hear

559
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: it was hard for you, Bert. But he couldn't do

560
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: the dirty work himself. So rather than thinking, man, I

561
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: am really going crazy here, I need to back off,

562
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: I can't. I almost shot somebody. Oh what's wrong with me?

563
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: Maybe I should put this energy and dedication into my family,

564
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: But no, he doesn't think that. Instead, he decides to

565
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: hire some guys to go rough up Linda. He thinks

566
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: this will scare if I can, if I can spook

567
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: or bad enough to thinking, oh I'm I'm not safe

568
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: with big, strapping army man Larry. I better run back

569
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: to Bert so that these attacks stop. That's his mindset.

570
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: So he hires a couple of goons to go rougher

571
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: up at her door. I love you so much, baby,

572
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat the ship out of you. Oh my god.

573
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: And we're going to find out what happened with that

574
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: right after we get back from this commercial break Welcome back.

575
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: So it's June of Linda is waiting on a gift

576
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: from Larry. He's going to send her an engagement present.

577
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: So she's very excited when she gets a knock on

578
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: the door because she thinks, I'm gonna have a pretty

579
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: package or some flowers or something so exciting. And as

580
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: soon as she opens the door, there's a man standing

581
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: there named heard Harden, and he's got two guys behind him,

582
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: and he immediately throws a glass of liquid in Linda's

583
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: face and it's lie so immediately starts burning. She screams

584
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: in pain. She runs to the bathroom and she's rinsing

585
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: her eyes and face with water trying to get this

586
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: Lie off. Heard Harden and the other two disappear. An

587
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: ambulance came and Linda doesn't really remember what happened after that,

588
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: understandable her brain was like, let's I'm going to shut

589
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: a second we're just going to ignore this so you

590
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: can move on with your life, and doctors say she

591
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: would likely lose sight in both her eyes and remain

592
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: badly scarred for the rest of her life, and her

593
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: mother knew. She told police that was Burt Poogash. I

594
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: know it wasn't him at the door, but that was

595
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: Burt Poogash, And when the police were able to visit

596
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: Linda in the hospital, she also said absolutely no ifs,

597
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: buts or maybe that's who did it. So the story

598
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: blows up the next day, headlines all over New York

599
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: City the whole country. Shortly after that, and heard Harden

600
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: actually tried to blackmail Bert for this. Bert says he

601
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: never wanted them to do this. He just hired them

602
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: to rough her up, which like, that's okay. He's like,

603
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: I just wanted them to beat her up a little bit.

604
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: I didn't ask for acid, just break a couple of bones. Yeah,

605
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: and Heard says, well, I'm gonna blackmail you. I'm going

606
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: to go to the papers and I'm gonna tell him

607
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: that you hired us to do this unless you give

608
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: us some more money. And oh god, here's a Bob

609
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: jan Off story. Bob jen Off is talking with Burt

610
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: in his office. Bert says, you know, do you think

611
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: I did I could do something like this And Bob says, well,

612
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: my my heart says no, but my head says, you know, maybe,

613
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: Bob jan Off. Bob Turnoff says, if you had anything

614
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: to do with it, the only way you're going to

615
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: get out of this this is a lawyer's advice. His friend,

616
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: Bob Janof was also a whole lawyer. The only way

617
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: you're going to get out of this is to get

618
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: a gun and go kill the black guys. And Bert

619
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: took the advice. Bert was gonna try and kill these guys.

620
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: He tried to set up a meeting. He tried to say, yeah,

621
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: I get you more money, just come meet me in

622
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: a dark alley somewhere, and heard Harden, who has done

623
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: this way more than Burt has, is like, no, you're

624
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: definitely gonna try and kill me, so I'm not coming

625
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: to meet you. And at one point Heard and his

626
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: guys actually ran Burt off the road in his car

627
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: and caused an accident and it broke a bunch of

628
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: Bert's ribs. Good, yeah, honestly, you know, nobody's the good

629
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: guy in this situation because her definitely threw that acid.

630
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: But but finally the d A has the case and

631
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: Bert gets arrested. Francine sold the house. She was not surprised.

632
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: I was ConA with Bert for some reason, probably the

633
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: pattern of his life. Oh he's a monster. Surprised, and

634
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: she did have to put her daughter into an institution

635
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: because she was not able to care for her alone,

636
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: as she suspected, and she did divorce Bert. At this point,

637
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, wait, you're hiring people to harm people,

638
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: You're trying to kill people. Maybe I'm done now, which

639
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: is a common pattern here in this story, where I'm like,

640
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: good for Francine, and also I'm mad that Bert got

641
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: what he wanted. Yeah. Same. Linda's in the hospital for months,

642
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: and she told Larry she wasn't going to hold him

643
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: to their engagement. She said, you can go, but he's

644
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: stuck with her, and he stayed with her in the hospital.

645
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: He was very low being and protective, and she kept

646
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: pushing him to leave her because she was worried he

647
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: was going to get hurt, but he insisted in staying

648
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: with her, just like night and shining on her, I'll

649
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: never leave you, my dear, I'm here to protect you,

650
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: no matter what the cost. Until no one was watching

651
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: them anymore. Because the minute the story was out of

652
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: the papers and Linda was back home with no reporters

653
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: chasing them, Larry called her and ended their engagement. Larry,

654
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: did you? He thought Larry was going to be the

655
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: good guy here and he turns out just to be

656
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: another sucker. Poor Linda is not meeting a lot of

657
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: fellas worth knowing. No, absolutely not. And oh, I'll stick

658
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: by you as long as the cameras are watching. I

659
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: don't want to look like an I want to be

660
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: an asshole, but I don't want to look like an asshole. Seriously,

661
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: you know that's tough. That's tough. I mean, like, you

662
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: know you're dating someone and you know you don't anticipate

663
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: having to care for them, you know, their whole life,

664
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: or have this big change go on, or this dangerous situation.

665
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: But you know you're also engaged at that point. And

666
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: I think at that point you've decided, you know, no

667
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: matter what, you and I are together, ye, so to

668
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: be like, oh I thought it was. I didn't expect

669
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: a challenge, you know, I didn't expect something to be

670
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: slightly different so that I'm out. Yeah, Larry should have

671
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: been more like Fleur delicate when Bill Weasley gotten attacked

672
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: by a werewold. Yeah, and she said, oh, you think

673
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave him because they'll scarred up. Now, I

674
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: think I'm pretty enough for both of us, thank you

675
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: very much. Yeah, Larry, you were pretty enough for both

676
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: of them, that's right. And Linda was still Linda was

677
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: still gorgeous. This is a thing crazy Larry just really

678
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: disappoints me. Okay, Larry. Linda had this female police officer,

679
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: Margaret Powers, who was assigned to her as her security

680
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: detail until Bert got his conviction. Great name, Margaret Powers

681
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: is totally like, I mean picture this is basically bri

682
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: Enne of Tarte, this big strong woman standing outside her door,

683
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: and she's like, ain't nobody coming in here to work

684
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: with you? I am I am Margaret Powers, and I'd

685
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: like to I am the powers that be right now.

686
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: And she really did. And and Margaret ended up being

687
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: like one of the girls. She ended up being one

688
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: of her friends and hanging out with them a lot.

689
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: They had a really good relationship. Linda still had a

690
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: little bit of sight left in one eye, and she decided,

691
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: you know what, when she got out of the hospital,

692
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm going to really take charge of

693
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: my life now. She moved out of her mother and

694
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: grandmother's house. She stepped out on her own. She got

695
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: a job, she got her own apartment, she started taking

696
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: art classes, and she started paintings. Actually has some really

697
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: interesting paintings. It's really good work. Yeah. And Bert meanwhile

698
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: is like, I see no reason I should go to jail.

699
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: He literally says that there's no reason at this point.

700
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything wrong. The thing I hired them

701
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: to do with didn't even do. So what did I

702
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: do you know? I mean, you hired them to cause

703
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: harm and they caused harm. That he had been disbarred

704
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: at this point, of course, because the bar associations like

705
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: absolutely not. You already sucked and you're gone now. But

706
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: he took his own case and represented himself in court,

707
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: and he fought like the crazy madman that he is.

708
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: He said, Ah, the d A is persecuting me. He

709
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: filed lawsuits against the city for millions of dollars. In

710
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: the middle of his argument in court, one day, he

711
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: made a citizen's arrest of the d A. And the

712
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: officer who arrested him for quote, conspiring to commit a

713
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: felony by tapping his phone. And when the judge said,

714
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: uh no, there's the old basis for that, and I

715
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: am not going to present a federal case against these two,

716
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: Pogash said, well, then I hereby announced this whole court

717
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: is under arrest. And he's just very dramatic. Again, he's

718
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: in a movie right now. He is not seeing himself

719
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: in a regular life. So he tries to arrest the

720
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: whole court and the judge says, no one in here

721
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: is going anywhere, and you're not going anywhere, so absolutely not.

722
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: At one point, Bert used his broken eyeglasses to slash

723
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: his own wrists. He shouted Linda, I love you, Linda,

724
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: I need you, I want you while he was being

725
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: led to court. He said he was trying for a

726
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: mistrial when he did that, so it wasn't really a

727
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: suicide attempt. He just wanted them to be like, oh

728
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: this this guy is in a crazy place and he

729
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: can't be tried right now. It was in front of

730
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: the cameras, it was on his way into court. He

731
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: had the security all around him. He said. He rubbed

732
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: the blood all over his face, so they couldn't tell

733
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: where it was coming from, and they just he wanted

734
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: them to say, oh, mistrial, we gotta start over. Linda

735
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: meanwhile called it all bullshit because she knows Bert at

736
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: this point. She's like, oh no, no, no no. So

737
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: his insanity plea was rejected because I guess the whole

738
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: court knew about him at this point. And Linda was

739
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: finally brought in as a witness as this trial went

740
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: on for a couple of years, so they finally bring

741
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: her to the stand. They lead her up there because

742
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: you know the blindness, and Bird says, oh that was

743
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: all for show. That was all for show. She could

744
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: really see. They're just trying to make people feel sorry

745
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: for her. Oh that that woman I hired somebody who

746
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: threw acid in her faces. Oh she's acting all blind now, jeez,

747
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: what what a what a bunch of nonsense. They're just

748
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,479
Speaker 1: trying to make me look bad, Like it wasn't hard

749
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: to make you look bad. Yeah, you did that all

750
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: on your own button. We didn't need to put on

751
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: a show for it. She couldn't see well enough to

752
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: see him, but she said, if someone told me then

753
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: that Bert was dead, I would have said wonderful. Bert

754
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: said it was worth being on trial just because he

755
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: got to see Linda on the stand. Linda said, I

756
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: want him dead, like she is not even planned right now.

757
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: And the jury came back decided he was guilty and

758
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: they sentenced him to thirty years in jail, and Linda said,

759
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: not long enough. I want him to rot there right

760
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: which a man girl too, and off he went to

761
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: sing sing prison, and off we go to a commercial

762
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: break and we're back. So Linda, at this point, Bert's

763
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: in jail, and she takes off for Europe and she's like,

764
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm living my life now. Linda goes to get her

765
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: groove back, and she bought huge sunglasses which covered her

766
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: eyes and her scars, and she said she had no

767
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: problem meeting men out there and she would have fun

768
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: and she was dating and just having a great time

769
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: out in Europe, like like you do after your stalker

770
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: goes to jail. She treat yourself, Linda. And she also

771
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: remained a virgin for a long time. Even though she

772
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: was out there dating stuff, she still was not having sex.

773
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: It wasn't something that was interested to her. She really

774
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: wanted to wait until she was married that was into her.

775
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: And she dated this guy, the Southern American guy, and

776
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: she never once took her sunglasses off around him. And

777
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: so this guy wanted her to marry him, and she

778
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: went to her friends. She was like, I've got to

779
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: come clean about my eyes because he's never seen them

780
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: and he wants to marry me, and I don't feel right.

781
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: So she says, okay, when he comes to meet me

782
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: tomorrow night, I'm gonna wear my clear glasses. He came in,

783
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: he saw her, and he couldn't handle it and he

784
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: took off. Linda is once again just devastated by this.

785
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: She says, it destroyed me. She's thinking, I'm damaged merchandise. Uh,

786
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: no one's ever gonna want me. I'm never gonna get married.

787
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: I'll never have another chance at love. Damn the men

788
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: that she has encountered. I mean, it's just you know,

789
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: you throw a rock in a group of men and

790
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: you're going to hit an asshole. From this story, there's

791
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: some nice guys out there. Why didn't she come across

792
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: a single one of them? I have to be fair.

793
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: I've heard dating in New York is very hard, that's true.

794
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: I've also all my single friends in New York hate

795
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: dating there. Meanwhile, Bird is in prison, but he's offering

796
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: legal advice to harden the criminals in the prison, like

797
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: actual mobsters. Yeah. I mean, on one hand, it's like,

798
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, probably a lot of people in prison didn't

799
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: get fair legal counsel and could use some. But the

800
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: people he's picking out here, he ain't talking to anybody

801
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: that had a public defender. He's talking to mobsters. He's

802
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: got names like Jimmy the Tooth, you know, Billy the Big,

803
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: very creative they retired that day, the big Do you

804
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: know one that called me that because I'm smaller than

805
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: the rest of them. It's very ironic anyway, mobsters. Yeah,

806
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: so like again, he's not practicing law, but he's reading

807
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: a lot of lawbooks while he's in prison, and he

808
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: would find legal loopholes for them to exploit. That's what

809
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: he was good at. Yeah, he's very every cases a

810
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: fix his friend told him when you knew that, and

811
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: he found the fixed or he fixed it himself, and

812
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: he got three murder convictions overturned while he was in prison,

813
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: probably for exchanges. He was everybody's favorite prisoner, so he

814
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: certainly wasn't didn't have to worry about, you know, his

815
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: safety or anything. Right. Yeah, there's nothing altruistic about Bert.

816
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: He definitely got something out of it. And he would

817
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: call Linda's friends crying from prison, just continuing his stocky,

818
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: gross behavior. And things are getting difficult for Linda outside

819
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: of prison, her grandmother had died. Linda's vision was getting worse,

820
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: her mother's growing senile, and Bird would send her these long,

821
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: like rambolly letters from prison. He's begging for forgiveness. He

822
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: really wants to see her again. He even brought lawsuits

823
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: against her so we could contact her. Oh, so you

824
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: want to rough me up and then you want to

825
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: bring a lawsuit to me? Yeah, she shows up. Oh,

826
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: I see you got my lawsuits. Thanks for stopping by.

827
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: So romantic. I didn't know how to you weren't answering

828
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: your phone, so I figured the best way to get

829
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: in touch with you was to sue you. And weirdly,

830
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: for a civil rights lawyer, William Kunstler went to Linda

831
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: and said, Bert really loves you. He wants to see you.

832
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: So Linda's response was, well, I he loves me so much,

833
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: tell him to send me some damn money. And Bert

834
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: did he sent her four thousand dollars. So right away

835
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: she calls the parole board and says, don't let him out.

836
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: He sent me four thousand dollars to harass me, which

837
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: I love that move from Linda, get me some money.

838
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: Thanks for the money, stay in prison, Yes, as she should.

839
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: That was the best way to do that. But also

840
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: she's like, you're not supposed to be contacting me. So

841
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: the very fact that you would respond to what I

842
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: said and send me anything, no, that's not cool, like

843
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to talk to you. But unsurprisingly to me,

844
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: it goes to the parole board and they say, yeah, hey,

845
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: did you send her money? Are you going to continue

846
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: to send her money if you get out? And Bert

847
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: goes yeah, if I have it, and they say, all right,

848
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: we'll let you out in March of So she's telling

849
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: them he's harassing me by sending me this money, and

850
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: they're like, so, are you gonna keep harassing her? And

851
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I will, and they were like great,

852
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: sounds great by the parole boards, like this crazy broad

853
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: said you were sending her money, and she she thought

854
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: you were harassing her. You want to send us some

855
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: more money? All right, great, you know, and she sounds

856
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: like she needs somebody to take care of her. That's

857
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: crazy broad And wish somebody would harass me like that.

858
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: I would take four grand from yeah, stuck me sometime. Bert,

859
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: will you, hey, throw some assid in my face? Why

860
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: don't you go? I don't know why they let him

861
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: out for that. And when he got out, Bert was

862
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: not allowed to contact Linda. At least they said that,

863
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, you're you can't. That had worked so well before,

864
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: I know, right, but okay, and if not, we'll we'll

865
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: really wag a finger at you. Meanwhile, Linda goes to

866
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: a fortune teller and the fortune teller says, a man

867
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: caused all of your problems, but he loves you desperately.

868
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: And okay, speculation station. Did Bert hire this fortune teller?

869
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying it was he like, hey, go tell her

870
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: that I really love He was telling everybody to go

871
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: tell her that he loved her. He's like, well, it

872
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: didn't it didn't work when I threw rocks in her window.

873
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: It didn't work when I threw acid. Interface Maybe maybe

874
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: I can turn to the mystic arts, you know, I

875
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: don't know, yeah, maybe so. But he's willing to try anything.

876
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: It seems. He worked as a paralegal, of course, because

877
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: he lost his license, and he's hounded by reporters immediately

878
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: as soon as he walks out of prison. They're like,

879
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: give us an interview and him loving attention. He does

880
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: give a big TV interview, primetime news. Everybody's watching because

881
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: it's this, the story of the guy through sit in

882
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: the girl's face. It's a big deal. And at the

883
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: end of the interview, he looks at the reporter and

884
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: he looks directly into the camera and he says, Linda,

885
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: I love you and I want to marry you. And

886
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: the country just erupts. Holy shit, the man who disfigured

887
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: a woman out of jealousy just proposed to her on

888
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: live TV. Nobody could believe it, and once again Bert

889
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: was a sensational headline. Linda was very sad in her

890
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: day to day life at this point. She's thirty five,

891
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: She's got nobody in her life. Her friends are all married,

892
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: they're enjoying their love lives, and she's emotionally closed off

893
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: even to her closest friends. But they knew she was

894
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: thinking about Bert a lot. So her friend Rita and

895
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: her security detail, Margaret Powers, who who's now just a

896
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: friend of hers. Together, they go to Linda and they say,

897
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: do you need to confront with the police there, Let's

898
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: not let's not go crazy here. But they're like, if

899
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: you don't give yourself that chance, you'll always wonder what

900
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: might have been, which I think is a little weird.

901
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: I feel like my advice as a friend would be like,

902
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: stop wondering what might have been, because it's a fantasy.

903
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: You need to get away, cut yourself off from this

904
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: guy entirely. Stop letting him make you think about him.

905
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: Easier son that done, probably, but sure, well when you're

906
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: when he's in the headlines and stuff, it's like he's

907
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: just constantly being thrown in her face, like other things

908
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: were thrown in her face, equally toxic. And I don't

909
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: know if like, yeah, I don't know. I feel like

910
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: i'd be like, we already know what would happen. He sucks,

911
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: He would lie to you, he would he is willing

912
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: to harm you. Who knows what he'd be willing to

913
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: do once you're married, Like, I don't know. That wouldn't

914
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: have been my advice. I would have been like, if

915
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: you need closure. You need to go to a therapist

916
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: before you need to see Bert. But I'm not a psychologist, know,

917
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: and it's and you know, they're just dudes. Were a

918
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: lot different back then. We can see you're still thinking

919
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: about him. Let's talk to him. Maybe that'll close the

920
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: chapter for you or help you move on. So Linda

921
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 1: invited him to dinner. He shows up at her door,

922
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: and she said in the interview in jail, they made

923
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: a new man out of him. He was muscular, he

924
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: looked very good. I mean, I saw the pictures, was

925
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: I wasn't impressed, but I guess he you know, from

926
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: what he was before. It was then maybe it was

927
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: a big step. He's no Larry Schwartz. And as soon

928
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: as she opens the door on him, he gets down

929
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: on a knee and proposes, and so of course it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

930
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 1: hang on, let's let's talk. Let's give this a minute.

931
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: You're so extra And they gave it five months and

932
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: then they were married. She married him, and boom, of course,

933
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: national headlines once again. This story picks back up, and

934
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: then the money starts rolling in. They're selling their story.

935
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: There's books coming out there, they're doing interviews constantly. They're

936
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: on TV all the time because everybody wants to hear

937
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: why the hell did this happen this way? Nobody can

938
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: figure it out. And they keep swearing up and down

939
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: to their interviews that they are so happy together, and

940
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: Linda's friends say, yeah, he's really good to her. They

941
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: kind of have to learn to accept it. A lot

942
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: of them say, you know, we never accepted him, but uh,

943
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: but we don't have to be you know, friendly, yeah,

944
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 1: or we don't have to be friends. In New York

945
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: Times asked her what her marriage was like, and she said,

946
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: I think it's probably good as most probably better the

947
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: men she's used to to spending time with. Maybe he was,

948
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, mate. I don't know what her dad was like,

949
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 1: but clearly they separated for a reason. And I don't

950
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: know what her friend's husbands were like, either, but I

951
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: wonder if she was, like, I see what they're like

952
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: at home in my house, I'm in charge. I mean

953
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: there's I don't know. I mean, yeah, I don't know.

954
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: Maybe he Maybe he was really good to her once

955
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: they were together and he had what he wanted. He

956
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: didn't have that obsessiveness anymore. I don't know. She did

957
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: tell GERALDO he's a good husband in my way. I

958
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: probably do love him. I just find it hard to

959
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: use that word no ship. And she said in a

960
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: Washington Post interview in two thousand seven, marrying him was

961
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: the best revenge. I'm a ball buster. So I was like, oh,

962
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: maybe she's like, well, I got a Clint shirt. Every argument,

963
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: none of my friends this one. You want to fight

964
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: for me about something? It is a pretty good Mike Trump.

965
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: Although she says they never talked about the incident. I

966
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: mean they talked about it, but they don't talk. They

967
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: don't talk about it regularly at all. She knows that

968
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: he regrets it. He says if I could undo it,

969
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: I would. He called it a neurotic reaction to a

970
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: terrible situation. And I have so many problems with this quote, because,

971
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: first of all, that's not a neurotic reaction. That's a

972
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: violent attack. It's very fucked up, weird thing to do.

973
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: Hiring you know, a neurotic reaction is like making a

974
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: scene at a restaurant. You know, a neurotic reaction is

975
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: not hiring thugs to attack a woman and terrible situation.

976
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: She just didn't want to date you because you were

977
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: already married. The only person that's a terrible situation for

978
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: is everyone but you. You could have fixed it, Oh

979
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: my god. He had every opportunity to fix it, like

980
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: not dating other people besides his wife. Rita her friend

981
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: said financial security was the most important thing to her,

982
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: and Bert was her financial secure So that was her

983
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: feeling about why may have accepted him in the end there,

984
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it makes sense because that's why

985
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: she dated him in the first place. That's true. And

986
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: again she has been and for years now that she

987
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: wants to be married and have a family or whatever,

988
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: and now she's got thanks to him. She has this

989
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: disfigurement that she probably feels every man is going to

990
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: react like that one guy and be the freaking like

991
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm running away from you horrible and hurt her feelings.

992
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 1: I'm sure she was like, it would be very hard

993
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,479
Speaker 1: to do that again, Um, to get to a point

994
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: with someone where you were willing to try that again,

995
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Since she's probably like,

996
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: you know what, he already knows what I look like,

997
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: it's his fucking fault. So whatever. Fine, So they're married,

998
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: they're weirdly happy. They really are like an old married couple.

999
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: They bicker, they fight, they make up, they go out

1000
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: there constantly at each other's hip, and uh, that seems

1001
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: to be it right, Like coming to the end of

1002
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 1: the episode and I guess they just live happily ever after.

1003
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, surprise, late game side. Wait what turns

1004
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: out that in the early nine these Linda went in

1005
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: for heart surgery and she spent several weeks in the hospital.

1006
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: And come on, what do you expect Bert to do

1007
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: just to be on his own for a couple of weeks? No, no, no,

1008
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: no no. Bert went out and picked up a mistress.

1009
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: Her name was Evangeline Borgia and she was twenty seven

1010
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: years younger than him. In he was accused of harassing

1011
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: and abusing her after seeing her for five years. Evangeline

1012
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: said he promised to marry her and divorce Linda. Doesn't

1013
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: that sound familiar. I'm sure I swear the divorce papers

1014
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: are going through any day now. I bet he said that.

1015
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: Uh huh, oh, she's just all frump that sits around

1016
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: the house. You know, same old story for Bert. And

1017
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: when Evangeline refused dinner with him one night, he said,

1018
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: I'll do the same thing to you that I did

1019
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: to Linda. She says he grabbed her by the hair

1020
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: and he groped, and he said, get this. He said,

1021
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: if I can't have you, nobody can. And if you

1022
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: don't go to dinner with me tonight, then tonight will

1023
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: be your last dinner. He allegedly told her that he

1024
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: had connections and he would make it happen quickly, and

1025
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: he would pay for her funeral himself. That's kind of

1026
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: a weird threat, Like you're like, I got connections, I'll

1027
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: kill you if nobody can have and I'll pay for

1028
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: your funeral. Don't worry. I got that part covered too. Yeah, weird.

1029
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,959
Speaker 1: And Bert in a later interview said, well, she's lying

1030
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: about that. That's outrageous. I mean, yeah, I told her

1031
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: I would divorce my wife for her, but I didn't

1032
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: mean it. I'll I lied to her there, I'll concede that,

1033
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: which is what liars do. I mean. He was like, oh,

1034
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: I'll admit to one part of this and then say

1035
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: the rest is nonsense. But like, who can trust you? Bert?

1036
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: I trust Evangeline before I trust you especially, and all

1037
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: the tracks, all this track pattern all over again, but

1038
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: I could also see because all that stuff was probably

1039
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: in the papers. You should also see Evangeline being like,

1040
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: I know he said if I can't have you, nobody can.

1041
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: So I'll say he said that to me or whatever.

1042
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: But still like I'm saying Birt's a liar, so I

1043
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: believe her before I believe him. And Evangeline has her

1044
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: back turned to the camera, and all her interviews, she's

1045
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: constantly ducking the press. It's not like she was in

1046
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: this for the great attention you get when you go

1047
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: after a rich, famous person for abusing you. It's not

1048
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: like you get a fucking parade for that. You get harassed.

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Speaker 1: Some people are so weird when they're like they're just

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00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: doing it for fame, and I'm like, the worst kind

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00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: of fame you can get. Who would want that? Who

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00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: wants that? No one? Oh my god. Meanwhile, Linda is

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00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: just like kind of mad at Bert. Yeah, like wagging

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00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: her finger. She's like, I'm pissed about the affair, She

1055
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: tells the reporter, I'm pissed about the affair, but he

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00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: won't do it again. He knows i'd kick him out.

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00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I think he knows you won't because

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01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: you literally came back to him, like six times after

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01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: the worst ship you could do to someone, I came back.

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01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: Feels pretty secure that you're not going to leave him. Yeah,

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01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: he represents himself again in court, and Linda defended him

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01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: over and over again. On the steps of the courthouse,

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01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: basically looks out at the crowd and says, hey, guys,

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01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: do your wives know what you're doing all the time,

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01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: Like this is the first affair, give me a break, which,

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01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: again I think just shows how little experience with any

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01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: man worth fucking knowing she has, because she probably just

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01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: feels like all men are kind of like Burt and

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01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: Larry and the guy who ran off, And she's like, so,

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01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: I can't see that any of y'all are any different.

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01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: And there's at least one guy in the audience going

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01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: I would I would never do any And she testified

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01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: on his behalf and he was acquitted of all but

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01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: one charge of harassment, and so he spent fifteen days

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01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: in jail for that. And here's a US quote. Bert

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01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: told a reporter, I'll absolutely change my behavior, but as

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01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: soon as I get my wife home, there may be

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01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: another sexual assault charge. Gross. Gross, And they continued their marriage,

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01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: they somehow seemed to really love each other and supported

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01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: each other through all of this wackiness. Friends of hers

1081
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: asked how this can happen, but again, they just kind

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01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: of have to accept it. Her cousin, who really does

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01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: not like Bert, even admits that she's not sure that

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01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: anyone could have given her a life as good as

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01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: Bert did. In the end, look at the net cost

1086
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: here though your entire vision scars all over your face.

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01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: He cornered her into feeling like she had to choose him.

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01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 1: If I disfigure you, you know who else is gonna

1089
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: love you? But me? Yeah? I think too that kind

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01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,959
Speaker 1: of You know, people are so like a good life

1091
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: is a luxurious life. It's a life we have to

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01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: worry about money, and that's what he gave her. Whereas

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01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways to have a good life

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01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: and it doesn't always include a lot of money. She

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01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,439
Speaker 1: could have had a good life with a person where

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01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: they were constantly worried about money, but she was not

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01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: worried about her safety. He was not stepping out on

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01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: her and telling other women that he's going to like

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01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: divorce her and hurt them and pay for their funeral.

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01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean you know, there's anyway. But again she saw

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01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: that opportunity and Larry, she was like, you know what,

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01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: there's a I don't have to be rich, I can

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01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: just find someone kind. And he screwed her over too.

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01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 1: So it's such a tricky story because there's so much

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01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,919
Speaker 1: context that really makes you understand why Linda went back

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01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: to him. But at the same time, you're also looking

1107
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: at a story where a manipulative, powerful, dangerous, violent person

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01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: tricked everyone into getting exactly what he wanted in the end,

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01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: and that for that, I think you can kind of

1110
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: different people interpret the story differently. That even the documentary

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01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: movie I kind of had a problem with because it's

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01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: sort of like, look at this love story in the end,

1113
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: and I don't think I can ever accept that. I

1114
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: don't think I can ever be okay, even knowing, like,

1115
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: you know, she made all her own choices, she did

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01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: what she wanted, and she had all these reasons for

1117
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: going back to him. I'm still like he tricked everyone

1118
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: and got everything he ever wanted and barely had to

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01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: pay for it. He said, if I can't have her,

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01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: no one can, and he got her. He said, I

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01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: need a divorce from Francine and he got it. He

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01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: told everyone, leave me alone. I want to be happy

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01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: with my wife, and they did. It's really frustrating. And

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01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: in two thousand thirteen, Linda died of heart failure. She

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01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: was seventy five years old. Who Cash managed to live

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01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: another seven years. He died just this past December, and

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01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: he had about eighteen million dollars in assets that was

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01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: supposed to be divided up amongst his friends. His caregiver

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01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: named Shamon Frawley, who was fifty two. Ten million dollars

1130
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: was supposed to go to a foundation for the visually

1131
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: impaired that he's set up in Linda's honor. But all

1132
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: this is in contention right now. There's they're arguing over

1133
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: this because lawyers argue that the caretaker conspired with her

1134
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: estranged husband to coerce Poogash into altering his will after

1135
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: he had a stroke. So the latest version of it

1136
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: gave nearly all eighteen million dollars to her, and they're like,

1137
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: uh no, that he was probably incapacitated. This is not cool.

1138
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: But her lawyer says that she was the love of

1139
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: his life for the last five years and he changed

1140
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: it because he wanted her to have it all. That's

1141
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: very I mean, on one hand, it's like, wow, the

1142
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: player got played in the end. From the other hand,

1143
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, she was supposed to get five million dollars,

1144
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: which is a hefty chunk money right out of the

1145
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: eighteen million, But that means ten million was supposed to

1146
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: go to a foundation for the visually impaired, and she

1147
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: is taking that away. She's like, no, I get that,

1148
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: And that's pretty dark. I feel like if she convinced

1149
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: him that she was the love of his life, and

1150
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: maybe she was, maybe she loved him too, we can't say.

1151
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: But if she was duping him five million dollars, good

1152
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: for you, a girl taking good yeah for a dupe? Yeah,

1153
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,919
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm like, well, maybe they were laughing about

1154
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: all the people they could screw over in the last

1155
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: five years of his life, and he was like, yeah,

1156
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,439
Speaker 1: this is this is my soul mate, right right. She's

1157
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: also horrible. I don't know, it's tricky. Of course, she

1158
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: denies all that, her lawyer's denial that, and you know

1159
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: all these other things. A bunch of bad people taken

1160
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: advantage of vulnerable people. Tough story, it is, and it

1161
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: kind of shows you how just how crazy abuses and

1162
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: trauma can be, because it really does affect what you do,

1163
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: and sometimes you don't make the best choices for yourself

1164
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: when you're in that space. And I again, it's hard

1165
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: to say that Linda made a wrong choice because she

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01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 1: seems to have a pretty happy life with Bert after

1167
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: they were married. Um, it's very hard to say. A relationship,

1168
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: as we've noted before in this podcast, can be very

1169
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: opaque to people on the outside, and you just have

1170
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: no idea what's going on between those two people. And

1171
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: if you're like on the outside being like, I have

1172
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: no fucking idea how the two of y'all make any sense. Um,

1173
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, probably missing some information, as I said at

1174
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: the javelion, but yeah, it is. It is hard. I

1175
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: do feel badly for Linda. I wish that she had

1176
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: had a better experience with people in the world in general,

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01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: and I wish Bert had not one every time. I

1178
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: think that's really the trick of it. In the end,

1179
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: you want Linda to have had the life that she wanted,

1180
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: and in a way, Bert gave that to her in

1181
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: the second half of her life. But you really don't

1182
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: want Bert to have gotten what he wanted because he

1183
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: was evil and cruel and vicious and manipulative. You don't

1184
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: want him to get what he wants. Unfortunately, what he wanted,

1185
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, I don't even know if it's unfortunately, but

1186
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: his wants coincided with Linda's in the second half again

1187
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: of her life, but only because of what he did

1188
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: to her, right, So it's odd. It's my brain is

1189
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: all in knots about this one. Fortunately, it's silly enough

1190
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: of a story, and the two people, even the victim here,

1191
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: claims to be happy with it that, you know, we

1192
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: can kind of laugh at it. How absurd it is.

1193
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: I I feel I feel the worst for Evangeline and Francine.

1194
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: They were the two who took it, who took a

1195
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: lot of abuse and didn't seem to get anything out

1196
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, it's pretty messed up that there's nothing

1197
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: in his will about his daughter or or Francine getting anything.

1198
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: It seems like he left her out. I mean, maybe not,

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01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure, but she drops out of

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01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: the story after a certain point. She was like, you

1201
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: know what, I'm good. Check out the movie again. It's

1202
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: all these characters are in it. But it's a little

1203
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: too Rosie at the end of the of that story

1204
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: in the movie that I think it gives Birt a

1205
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: little too much leeway that he doesn't deserve. But still

1206
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 1: check it out because it'll it's It's on Amazon Prime

1207
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 1: right now, so you can not an endorsement for Amazon. Bezos. Well,

1208
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: I'm excited, but we got to tell you all this story.

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01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: It's wacky, wacky, certainly very ridiculous romance maybe the peak

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01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: we've so far, but yeah, let us know what you think.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you enjoyed this. You can always reach out to

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Speaker 1: us at our email address It's Romance at i heeart

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Speaker 1: show at Riddick Romance on those platforms as well. I

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Speaker 1: sent us a mess it's there. Tell us what you think,

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Speaker 1: and I suppose that we will see you lovely folks

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01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: in our next episode. Love you bye, so long, friends,

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