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Speaker 1: So you were you were a firefighter for four years?
Speaker 2: Yep, I was a firefighter for four years.
Speaker 3: City of Cookville did this program, I guess basically a
Speaker 3: scholarship where you worked as a full time firefighter.
Speaker 2: They paid your tuition, and so I did that.
Speaker 3: After I came home from I went to play college baseball,
Speaker 3: got up there, didn't like college baseball, had a you know,
Speaker 3: a reason to come back home. So I came back
Speaker 3: home and my dad was like, oh, it's too late
Speaker 3: to transfer. You're gonna work in a factory assembling airbags
Speaker 3: for six months. And that was miserable. So I decided
Speaker 3: to go to school and the City of Cookville was
Speaker 3: doing that student firefighter program. And I had a couple
Speaker 3: uncles side and uncle that was a Detroit firefighter for
Speaker 3: twenty years. There's a job, right if you watched that
Speaker 3: documentary No Burn about the city of Detroit. This was
Speaker 3: back in early two thousands. I guess where there was
Speaker 3: this big you know, they light these houses on fire
Speaker 3: in town and guys were getting hurt where nobody there.
Speaker 2: Was no real loss of value and real loss of life.
Speaker 3: There's no lives in there, but guys were getting hurt
Speaker 3: and it was they basically had stand down orders. It's
Speaker 3: it's crazy because their equipment was you know, trash and
Speaker 3: and run down and so yeah, it's called burn burn.
Speaker 1: What did you get your degree in? Hold on? Let
Speaker 1: me let me introduce, let me reduce our guests. This
Speaker 1: is really frowning from Cookville, Tennessee.
Speaker 3: Second appearance right first, Yeah, I call her second type.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were on the Bear Grease Surrender when we
Speaker 1: were in Tennessee at the at the media tell which
Speaker 1: that film came out, which that film came out, which
Speaker 1: as a unique meteor film. And uh, you're your cameraman.
Speaker 3: Here man Scott and friend and friend you know, like
Speaker 3: he gets attached to a friend to friend to Yep,
Speaker 3: I guess you can as long as I.
Speaker 4: Don't screw up the hunt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what I was that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2: It's a very you know, it's it's dependent on his actions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to I would like to pull
Speaker 1: the Bear Grease audience of how many people know who
Speaker 1: Rich Froning is. Just raise your hand and if you're
Speaker 1: in your car, if you knew who who Rich Fronie was,
Speaker 1: see that hand. Apparently Rich is a big deal.
Speaker 2: I'm told he used to be. I'm told you know
Speaker 2: formerly he's a retired.
Speaker 1: Scott had to tell tell everybody everybody knows who Rich is.
Speaker 1: But if you were describing who you worked for, who
Speaker 1: is Rich? Give give like the the the g version.
Speaker 4: Four time fittest man on Earth, six times fittest team
Speaker 4: on Earth. Uh, multiple business owner, father Christian.
Speaker 3: Husband's servant of christ husband at Hillary Froning and father
Speaker 3: of three something like that.
Speaker 2: Yep, Yeah, that's pretty good. It's bout all I got.
Speaker 1: That's good man. Well, so we're in Oklahoma right now.
Speaker 1: You might be you might have noticed that we're not
Speaker 1: at the Bear Grease World the headquarters where we're in
Speaker 1: Oklahoma with it's ain't no early January, and we're deer hunting.
Speaker 3: Weird deer hunting, that's what we would call it. I
Speaker 3: guess over your shoulder there.
Speaker 1: I'd say, we're deer hunt. Yeah, and we've we've had
Speaker 1: a pretty we've had a good hunt so far. A
Speaker 1: lot of actions, a lot of actions yet to be
Speaker 1: determined on the full outcome of everybody. But Bear's been hunting.
Speaker 1: Rich has been hunting. I've been hut. I killed this
Speaker 1: buck yesterday? Is it right there?
Speaker 2: Other side? No? Right, you're right, yep, yep, you're good.
Speaker 1: Over there, Yeah, this way to the Yeah, we're both hunting.
Speaker 1: The Oklahoma season last till January fifteenth, and man, I like.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's cool, that's up. Man, I've really enjoyed Oklahoma. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's been fun.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma raised their non resident tags like exponentially this year.
Speaker 2: I noticed, like.
Speaker 1: Double tag, like, hey, as they should, right, Yeah, I'm okay.
Speaker 2: With keep the foreigners out, keep us out, keep the
Speaker 2: trash out. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I saw you can do a lifetime non resident license, though,
Speaker 3: so I have a I have a non resident Tennessee license.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if that's just because you have
Speaker 3: to buy a hunting like a qualifying license then you
Speaker 3: buy your deer tags or deer license separate. But I
Speaker 3: noticed on there that there was an Oklahoma non resident
Speaker 3: lifetime license.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what that is. I don't think
Speaker 1: you can those anymore.
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought I saw it on there when I
Speaker 2: was going through it.
Speaker 1: But well, as I understand that they used to sell those,
Speaker 1: but they don't sell them anymore. But I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know what you would have seen, though. I saw
Speaker 1: it because in the regulation, like there's some group of
Speaker 1: group of people that have a non resident lifetime license.
Speaker 1: Because when I was a kid, we could have bought that.
Speaker 1: We lived close to Oklahoma and my dad. I remember
Speaker 1: my dad telling me, like when I was like ten,
Speaker 1: he was like, they thought about getting us a non
Speaker 1: resident Oklahoma license. Yeah, just because we could.
Speaker 2: You could, you might as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've got one in Tennessee and all my
Speaker 3: kids have them, and theirs was exponentially cheaper, right doing
Speaker 3: it when they were, you know, sub five years old
Speaker 3: versus me at whatever, I was thirty years old, yeah,
Speaker 3: twenty five, twenty six.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we're bo hunting and then bears doing a little trapping. Yep,
Speaker 1: how many traps she got out right now? I think
Speaker 1: I've got six out right now? Yo, traps.
Speaker 5: We've got like a gang set in a cluster of
Speaker 5: per symmetries.
Speaker 1: We put like a camera up expecting.
Speaker 5: To see deer and hogs, right, but we ended up
Speaker 5: getting a group of yodies coming in there more than anything.
Speaker 1: So we set up four or five in there. That
Speaker 1: was just a couple on the roads. I just had
Speaker 1: to ditch my contact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty well.
Speaker 1: It just I think it just like went bad, just
Speaker 1: like that, you know how they.
Speaker 2: Do try up.
Speaker 1: So we found this patch of per simmons, probably like
Speaker 1: twenty five trees and you know, like a ten square
Speaker 1: yard area like trees like this big, and a month
Speaker 1: ago it was loaded, I mean just loaded with per Simmons, thousands,
Speaker 1: one hundred thousands, I don't know. Big lips were just
Speaker 1: like leaning off these trees and big per Simmons, I thought.
Speaker 1: And there was hog tracks and deer tracks under all this,
Speaker 1: and so we put up a camera and left it there,
Speaker 1: and to our surprise, more than deer and more than hogs,
Speaker 1: the coyotes were coming in there per Simmons, which actually he.
Speaker 5: Explains a lot because like you know, sometimes you're walking
Speaker 5: in the woods and you see like a pile of
Speaker 5: scats that's like too big to be a coon, but
Speaker 5: too small to be a bear.
Speaker 1: But it's got per Simmons in it. Yeah, since yodies.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I thought, I mean, so he's We've were
Speaker 1: setting some traps in there, and uh it was so
Speaker 1: last night I was able to check my phone because
Speaker 1: we put a camera up watching the Percimon thicket with
Speaker 1: our traps out, and I know for sure two kylots
Speaker 1: came in there and spooked, but we were beating around
Speaker 1: so much left a lot of scent, Like tonight will
Speaker 1: be better because you know, we're not he he's going
Speaker 1: to check it, but we's not. He's not going to
Speaker 1: go in there and set traps, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But uh so a lot of a lot of hogs
Speaker 1: over here too, A ton of hogs, mystery hogs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's interesting if you were just a walk around this place,
Speaker 1: I mean there's hog tracks everywhere.
Speaker 2: That is that right where every time we're walking around.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you just get out of your truck
Speaker 1: and are random and you could.
Speaker 2: Just tell what they're nosing through and just ruin in
Speaker 2: the ground. A lot of rooting, a lot of rooting.
Speaker 1: You would think that hunting over here for three days
Speaker 1: that you'd see hogs every time you sat. But we
Speaker 1: have had cameras up for two months over here, and
Speaker 1: I've got daylight pictures of hogs, probably less than five times,
Speaker 1: but they're but they're in front of my cameras every day,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know where they go. You know, when
Speaker 1: when uh, when Europeans first came to North America, they
Speaker 1: thought that the bears, some people did thought that bears
Speaker 1: migrated because they were just gone, like in the winter time,
Speaker 1: like their bears all over the place, and then you
Speaker 1: know about November, they were just gone and they thought
Speaker 1: they were like Mallard ducks, like, well, they must have
Speaker 1: went somewhere. I'm pretty sure that these these hogs migrated
Speaker 1: out of here during the day daily. Migro, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: over that mountain. I mean, I don't know. Maybe the
Speaker 1: guys over on that side and they're like, dude, we
Speaker 1: got hogs during the daylight, but we can't get a
Speaker 1: nighttime hog picture.
Speaker 2: You know, isn't there a gap out here?
Speaker 1: A gap? There's a gap right here, probably a major
Speaker 1: hog migration cor gap there.
Speaker 2: That's what we call that hogs gap there. It is
Speaker 2: hogs gap there it is.
Speaker 1: That's it. Now, this is a fun place to hunt.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's awesome. It's been really cool.
Speaker 3: And even you know, we're we're out what you say,
Speaker 3: about three miles ish and even that's just cool to
Speaker 3: drive through. And it's it's been you know, mining Scott's
Speaker 3: commute every morning and afternoon. Is I mean we saw
Speaker 3: deer when we were driving in back in last night,
Speaker 3: crossing in front of us.
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 2: And then four free range wild steers, one with a
Speaker 2: bum leg. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this is a this is a working cattle ranch,
Speaker 1: and so they had they've they've got some stragglers out here.
Speaker 2: We're cursed with with cattle when we're hunting.
Speaker 3: We uh, when we would go out west the first
Speaker 3: couple of times of Colorado, we'd be out in the
Speaker 3: middle of the National Forest and you'd oh, here here,
Speaker 3: here comes something walking through the woods and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, just a beef cow, you know, because farmers
Speaker 3: can lease the property. But I'm like, we're ten thousand
Speaker 3: feet it's like not a cliff, but it's steep, sure enough,
Speaker 3: just a mookw.
Speaker 4: You're not in a good place for a beef cow
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 2: No, no, so.
Speaker 5: I hunted some spots where you can't lease, like you know,
Speaker 5: there's no free range cattle, but you'll still see cows.
Speaker 5: Like every now and then there will be just like
Speaker 5: a herd of cows out on the road or something
Speaker 5: that got loose.
Speaker 4: Maybe they're like wild horses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now i'd shoot one though, you know, National forest one,
Speaker 1: National forest cow. Rich tell me about So you got
Speaker 1: got into hunting. I mean you grew up doing some hunting,
Speaker 1: but you kind of like got into hunting big, like
Speaker 1: seven eight years ago.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so I grew up in a hunting family
Speaker 3: from from Michigan. Originally moved to Tennessee when I was
Speaker 3: forced Tennessee's home. Oh, we actually have more than Michiganders
Speaker 3: on this podcast. Well technically, so brought before the podcast.
Speaker 3: We brought up a very interesting point.
Speaker 1: So Rich moved from Michigan when he was four years
Speaker 1: old years old, and I told him, I said, Rich,
Speaker 1: if you moved to the South before you're five, like
Speaker 1: you're not technically you get a pass. Yeah, you kind
Speaker 1: of you kind of acclimate. But if you move to
Speaker 1: the South when you're like Scott or ten Scott's yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like like this guy.
Speaker 3: He'll never get it out of his system. I'm I was,
Speaker 3: it's gone. You know, there's not much left.
Speaker 2: I moved to the South when I was four too. Okay, yep,
Speaker 2: So we're we're good. What year?
Speaker 6: What how do you I'm getting ready to I'll be
Speaker 6: forty nine. I was born in seventy six.
Speaker 2: How old are you? Thirty seven thirty seven? Just kids, babies?
Speaker 1: So so so you're you're you're good.
Speaker 2: I'm good, all right.
Speaker 1: But we've got I mean three Michiganders here.
Speaker 3: For me, Tennessee is home, right, so like it's that's
Speaker 3: that's home for me. Oh my family, Like I've got
Speaker 3: some extended family cousins and aunts and uncles that live
Speaker 3: in Michigan.
Speaker 2: But Tennessee's home.
Speaker 3: So but both places are you know, they're whitetail country really,
Speaker 3: you know, there's our houses. When rifle season opens, there's
Speaker 3: orange in the woods everywhere. So I had uncles at
Speaker 3: hunted and so I was around it and did some
Speaker 3: of it, but I was super impatient, and I didn't
Speaker 3: like getting up early, so I didn't hunt a ton
Speaker 3: and you know, sports and all that, and so I
Speaker 3: would say around two thousand and fourteen or fifteen, had
Speaker 3: a good friend of mine. His dad was like, man,
Speaker 3: white tail hunting sucks, Come hunt turkeys.
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, I'll give it a shot.
Speaker 3: And fell in love. And you know, because I was
Speaker 3: always outside like my parents. If we were inside and
Speaker 3: we couldn't find something to do outside, they were going
Speaker 3: to find us something to do outside.
Speaker 2: So you know, hey, go get lost in the woods.
Speaker 3: So we were out in the woods with BB guns
Speaker 3: and you know, doing dumb stuff that boys doing the woods.
Speaker 3: But I wasn't ever really hunting, but I grew up
Speaker 3: in the woods and so to me, it really just
Speaker 3: feels like doing that again and a kid again. And
Speaker 3: so started with turkeys, and then through that I had
Speaker 3: a friend that was like, hey, if you like turkey hunt,
Speaker 3: you should try elk hunting. So I went on an
Speaker 3: elk hunt in two thousand and eighteen, I think was
Speaker 3: my first one, okay, and didn't see an elk on
Speaker 3: a guided rifle hunt, but fell in love. Didn't see
Speaker 3: one single elk, hurt a bugle as soon as we
Speaker 3: stepped out of the truck on the first morning, and
Speaker 3: then never saw one again. And so but fell in love.
Speaker 3: I mean, we think My guide was awesome. He taught
Speaker 3: me a ton and we went after him and you
Speaker 3: could just tell by the end of the week he
Speaker 3: was he was a little bit distraught. He was like, man,
Speaker 3: this is the hardest I've ever hunted with somebody, because
Speaker 3: I was willing to go any and everywhere. We actually
Speaker 3: put my other friend Matt in. Basically he got to
Speaker 3: the point where he thought he needed to go to
Speaker 3: the hospital that we'd walked that much, like, seriously, wouldn't
Speaker 3: He didn't hunt the next morning one day because he
Speaker 3: thought he had rabdo, which is like where your muscle
Speaker 3: tissue breaks down, and like he was messed rabo.
Speaker 2: It's called rabdo. My lisis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So basically, you if you it happens a lot
Speaker 3: in in like car accident victims, but also if you
Speaker 3: work out with too much intensity and then some people
Speaker 3: are genetically predisposed to it. But your muscle tissue will
Speaker 3: actually break down and go into your bloodstream and go
Speaker 3: to your kidneys, and so people it's.
Speaker 2: A big thing.
Speaker 3: Early on in CrossFit, people had you know, they were
Speaker 3: they saw that happening.
Speaker 2: But it's kind of like people have kind of figured.
Speaker 3: That out that hey, maybe we shouldn't push people so
Speaker 3: hard right right off the couch, you know.
Speaker 1: Wow, So y'all y'all hunted that hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thought he was dead.
Speaker 3: So and then you know, for the next three years
Speaker 3: we did over the counter, public land, elk hunting man
Speaker 3: and it was we ground.
Speaker 2: We we hit the ground hard, and then we f.
Speaker 1: In the fitness like you were when you hit the
Speaker 1: mountains where you I mean, I know, oh you were
Speaker 1: like fully capable, but did you I mean was it hard?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean I think it's as hard
Speaker 3: as you want to make it right, you know, like
Speaker 3: we I mean when we go like, that's just the
Speaker 3: style too, that we were doing it and we were
Speaker 3: so new to it. I didn't know what, you know,
Speaker 3: We're like, oh, we just got a cover ground to
Speaker 3: find him right on public land. We were huffing it man.
Speaker 3: We I was beyond prepared, I feel like, and so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I don't think there was any I don't
Speaker 3: think we ever had really any learning curve other than like,
Speaker 3: were you with.
Speaker 1: Him when he was first out cutting Scott?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so all the public land stuff I did, Oh Scott,
Speaker 4: well for context too, about you being prepared the you
Speaker 4: were still he was still competing in crossfits, so the
Speaker 4: season would end in August. Yeah, so he was at
Speaker 4: his fittest he will be the entire year in August,
Speaker 4: and then a couple weeks later we were on the mountain.
Speaker 1: So he was ready to go. But he can only
Speaker 1: be as fast and go as far as his camera.
Speaker 1: That's true if you're filming, that's true.
Speaker 3: And I with Scott, I've I've never once questioned, oh,
Speaker 3: should we do this?
Speaker 2: Like me and him just we talked about it. We've
Speaker 2: talked about it.
Speaker 3: We've we've both kind of, I guess grown in hunting
Speaker 3: as a team, almost as weird as that sounds. And
Speaker 3: like as much as you know, I'm the one taking
Speaker 3: the shot, he's getting a shot with the camera. So
Speaker 3: it's like we bounce ideas off of each other and
Speaker 3: we both kind of we've we've messed it up together
Speaker 3: and we've we've succeeded together. So it's kind of cool
Speaker 3: that we we kind of joke with our wives like
Speaker 3: we'll send a picture of us actually hunting that we're
Speaker 3: not just like disappearing off you know, like yeah, right,
Speaker 3: just hanging out. So but yeah, it's been it's been
Speaker 3: really cool because for me, you know, like when I
Speaker 3: think of hunting, you know, like when people do these
Speaker 3: like long, individual like solo hunts, Like, no part of
Speaker 3: me does that sound like fun.
Speaker 2: Like I like hanging.
Speaker 3: Even if it's you know, even if we're just here
Speaker 3: at camp and we go one way, you go another way,
Speaker 3: and we all come back to there's just something about
Speaker 3: that comrade that like team aspect to it. Me growing
Speaker 3: up playing team sports man. I just I just really
Speaker 3: enjoy it. It really is a primal thing, it really is.
Speaker 3: It just feels right, right connection. Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well luckily you're bunched up with one good hunter.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right.
Speaker 3: Soon Yeah, yeah, I mean we can talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I last night, me and Scott had one come in,
Speaker 3: come in the way that we wouldn't think he would
Speaker 3: come in. I mean, but it's it's a it's a
Speaker 3: good learning, you know, like I'm early on my white
Speaker 3: tail experience and you know, I've I think we talked
Speaker 3: about it. You're like, hey, you know, the farther that
Speaker 3: shot gets, the less, you know, I feel super comfortable
Speaker 3: taking a far shot because we do a lot of
Speaker 3: those tacks and stuff like that I shoot every day, Yeah,
Speaker 3: pretty much every day, starting well now that I've shot
Speaker 3: pretty much every day for a year. But anyway, it
Speaker 3: uh like I'm super comfortable in those situations. Deer comes
Speaker 3: behind us, Scott's like, oh here comes some doze. Oh
Speaker 3: little buck. He's not a shooter, Scott and so and
Speaker 3: so I'm faced this way. Yeah, we're in saddles. We're
Speaker 3: in saddles. And I turn and I'm like, that's that's
Speaker 3: definitely a shooter.
Speaker 2: So I'm just slowly grab my bow.
Speaker 3: So I've got my hand on my bow and I
Speaker 3: get it off my the little hook I've got, and
Speaker 3: i just turn. And so he's kind of still coming,
Speaker 3: and he stops, and our wind is kind of going
Speaker 3: not to him, but in front of him, and so
Speaker 3: I'm like, I've got to make a decision pretty quick.
Speaker 3: But he starts doing the stomp and just looking. He
Speaker 3: does not like the situation. And I'm trying to turn,
Speaker 3: and as I'm turning, my heart's like pounding out of
Speaker 3: my chest right and so as I'm turning, I'm putting
Speaker 3: so much pressure somehow on an artery somewhere that I'm
Speaker 3: starting to get lightheaded because I'm in the saddle right,
Speaker 3: your neck is about to twist seriously and so like
Speaker 3: I'm like, everything's closing in. So I'm like, all right,
Speaker 3: I can't do that, so I'm waiting here. So then
Speaker 3: he turns and I'd ranged a bunch of trees and
Speaker 3: luckily having you know, we've shot a bunch not cold,
Speaker 3: but like guessing at distances just to see, and he
Speaker 3: was right at thirty eight yards thirty seven yards, yeah,
Speaker 3: and I draw drew and because he turned perfect broadside
Speaker 3: and was about to leave, and I let one go
Speaker 3: at forty and we using my forty pin and man,
Speaker 3: it looked great. And then that last second the whitetail
Speaker 3: do what they do, and when he went to turn
Speaker 3: to go, he just dipped just enough and we found
Speaker 3: blood immediately, we found good blood.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, going and so we went back.
Speaker 3: I could watch the video and it looks like there's
Speaker 3: there's a perfect like evergreen branch right where it would
Speaker 3: have hit. But we think it got either brisket or
Speaker 3: I mean not brisket backstrap or something.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it looked. Man, when you showed me
Speaker 1: your arrow when you got back, it's.
Speaker 2: Got meat on it.
Speaker 3: It passed through, but it's just so weird or maybe
Speaker 3: it glanced, I don't know, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I feel pretty confident that deer is
Speaker 1: totally fine.
Speaker 2: He's just laughing at us a fleshman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a bummer.
Speaker 2: It was a deer.
Speaker 1: That's that's the hard part. I hear a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's a lot of emphasis on
Speaker 1: long range shooting and all this, and uh, and that's good.
Speaker 1: It's good, and there's a place for it. But man,
Speaker 1: a deer, I don't care how good you are a
Speaker 1: deer past thirty yards, a white tailed deer, it's it's
Speaker 1: a long. It's just long. There's just a lot lot Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, you guys get good at, you know,
Speaker 1: watching the deer and kind of calculating what he's gonna
Speaker 1: do and how he's gonna drop. But I mean, you
Speaker 1: really want to shoot white tails inside of thirty yards
Speaker 1: for sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've learned that.
Speaker 1: I mean, and and and I know everybody's like, well,
Speaker 1: what about such and such. He's a great shot, he is,
Speaker 1: And and then there's also a lot of guys that
Speaker 1: document a lot of long shots and uh, and I
Speaker 1: know there's probably a lot of stuff they don't show
Speaker 1: too of getting away and not to their discredit. I
Speaker 1: mean I haven't shown every deer that I've probably not
Speaker 1: made a great shot on. I mean, it happens sometimes,
Speaker 1: but my point is.
Speaker 6: I try to that if I'm gonna miss, I just
Speaker 6: completely completely.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a blessing really or yeah, and it's also
Speaker 1: a blessing that, like you guys had this on video
Speaker 1: and so we were able to watch it and you
Speaker 1: know pretty conclusively we're like, yeah, that deer was shot
Speaker 1: through the backstraps.
Speaker 3: And we looked for what two hour hour and a
Speaker 3: half last night and then two hours this morning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we went far, we went far in every direction.
Speaker 4: He is not there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and like if you had to hit the
Speaker 1: deer back, you know, that would be one direction that
Speaker 1: you could hit a bad deer, and it would be
Speaker 1: a bad shot. That's a mortally wounded animal if it's
Speaker 1: passing through and it's hit anywhere in the punch or
Speaker 1: anywhere in the diaphragm, obviously, and I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: an animal that we're still looking for right now, or
Speaker 1: you know we would be if you had done that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but man, when you get any kind of peripheral shot,
Speaker 1: if it's a low brisket or high up in the
Speaker 1: back straps.
Speaker 3: I mean, so you found your arrow, found my arrow
Speaker 3: covered in meat, not necessarily blood. But then we see
Speaker 3: blood immediately tracked it for probably you know, fifty yards,
Speaker 3: and then you start seeing big puddles. Yeah, we're like sweet, well,
Speaker 3: then drip again, and then big puddles and then drip again.
Speaker 3: Then he walked through some like kind of oak growth
Speaker 3: and just blood everywhere, and then drip, drip gon and
Speaker 3: we I mean we were how far how far out
Speaker 3: did you was the blood where you shot?
Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty ish? Okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, aboute hundred fifty yards tops. So yeah, man,
Speaker 3: it was you know, bad nights sleeping, and then we're
Speaker 3: sitting there this morning. I'm like, all right, let's go look.
Speaker 3: And then you're still a little bit optimism there, you know, like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, yeah, sure enough, you know it looked good blood,
Speaker 3: but just was not there. We tried, man, but yeah,
Speaker 3: well we still got We still got tonight tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least two more hunts.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: A lot could happen between now and then there's some
Speaker 1: people that probably don't really even know what CrossFit is.
Speaker 1: I would have been I mean I would have known
Speaker 1: that it was like a way to work out.
Speaker 3: But you just heard somebody talking about CrossFit. That's kind
Speaker 3: of the joke is like you know, you know somebody
Speaker 3: does cross it because they're going to tell you about crossing, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and you know yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you kind of gave me a you said,
Speaker 1: like it so taking all work.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Basically, you know a guy named Greg Lassman sort of
Speaker 3: the thing where he took running, biking, rowing, swimming, powerlifting,
Speaker 3: which would be you know, the deadlift, bench squat and
Speaker 3: Olympic lifting with some of the accessory lifts there, plus
Speaker 3: body weight movements and kind of just mixed them all
Speaker 3: into one thing and then just find I guess what
Speaker 3: you would say fitness because you know, like if you
Speaker 3: were to say what makes somebody fit, you know, is it?
Speaker 3: Is it cardio respiratory endurance? Is it the person that
Speaker 3: can lift the most, Is it the person that can
Speaker 3: bit the farthest? Or is it the person that can
Speaker 3: do all of those things? Maybe not necessarily the best
Speaker 3: in each specialty. It's more he always said, a jack
Speaker 3: of all trades and a master of none. And so
Speaker 3: basically you take all those things and then high intensity
Speaker 3: functional movements and we constantly vary it so you're ready
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 1: That's why it would be said that you were the
Speaker 1: fittest man in the world.
Speaker 3: By crossfits definition. And you know they I'm sure that
Speaker 3: they copy. I think them are rebought, cross copyrighted. That
Speaker 3: what's that the fittest on Earth really tagline? If the
Speaker 3: person that wins the CrossFit Games by their definition, you
Speaker 3: would be the fittest on Earth.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's true?
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, it's probably somebody out in
Speaker 2: that wouldn't even right.
Speaker 3: We've never wrestled, you know, so like we've never both
Speaker 3: we've never been in a deadlist competition.
Speaker 1: If I were to like wrestle grapple and beat him,
Speaker 1: would that make me the fittest man? I think? So
Speaker 1: let's do it right here, I promise you in my family, Uh,
Speaker 1: I would be yeah.
Speaker 3: I you know, I liked the Hey, he won the
Speaker 3: CrossFit Games four times and he won it six times,
Speaker 3: like I don't know, you know, by the.
Speaker 1: And nobody's ever done anything like that.
Speaker 2: Uh not that done the individual end team.
Speaker 3: There's there's a woman right now that she's won seven times, really,
Speaker 3: and then a guy after me, Matt, that won five times,
Speaker 3: and so now it's kind of like ping pong and
Speaker 3: other than but.
Speaker 1: Rich you were the you were like the original og. Yes,
Speaker 1: So like when CrossFit like really came onto the scene
Speaker 1: and they had the CrossFit Games, you were the first
Speaker 1: guy to like, yeah, I mean a bunch.
Speaker 3: What I would say is when it's it kind of
Speaker 3: like started getting to that point, I was like holding
Speaker 3: on to like what the old guard was and bringing
Speaker 3: in the new and so I'm like this bridge kind
Speaker 3: of gap, uh, trying to hold hold the two together
Speaker 3: at times, you know, because it's it's turned into when
Speaker 3: I started, and even when I was doing it, you know,
Speaker 3: like I was working, most guys were guys and girls
Speaker 3: were working other jobs, and now it's like turned into
Speaker 3: a professional sporting Towards the end my last probably two
Speaker 3: or three two years as an individual, I still owned
Speaker 3: the gym and coached, but I wasn't working, you know,
Speaker 3: like I wasn't working at the fire department or working
Speaker 3: you know, for the intermural department at ten.
Speaker 1: So as it grew, it became.
Speaker 2: It's become more professionalized. People can make money.
Speaker 1: The people at the top are doing it like full time,
Speaker 1: correct and you knowing full time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we've got a facility in Cookville.
Speaker 3: We have the actual normal CrossFit Mayhem for the average.
Speaker 2: You know, cook Billion.
Speaker 3: And then it's also you know people we do what's
Speaker 3: called drop in, So it's basically like Disneyland. People come
Speaker 3: and work out at CrossFit now and so you didn't
Speaker 3: actually get to see it when you were in and
Speaker 3: we actually just went to the house. And I've got
Speaker 3: that barn that I trained in a bunch too. But
Speaker 3: then we also have the athlete facility, and so we've
Speaker 3: got we've got a Brazilian, we've got a Russian, we've
Speaker 3: got Australians that visit regularly. We've got all kinds of So.
Speaker 1: Cookville, Tennessee, your gym, the Mayhem, what's Mayhem across Mayhem
Speaker 1: is like the mecca of the world for crossman, Is
Speaker 1: that right, Scott you you were telling.
Speaker 4: Me, Yeah, I would say so. I mean in terms
Speaker 4: of people that want to go, if you could anyone
Speaker 4: around the world could pick one gym they want to
Speaker 4: go visit.
Speaker 1: People move to Cookville, Tennessee people will move.
Speaker 4: Actually that pro and cular people. They're like, hey, I
Speaker 4: have a remote job and I really like I want
Speaker 4: I want to be a part of this community.
Speaker 2: The move to Cookville.
Speaker 3: We have incredible Stevie Stevie Goldie. They moved their entire
Speaker 3: business from California Grant it was peak COVID. They wanted
Speaker 3: to move somewhere Tennessee or Texas. Decided Cookville because of
Speaker 3: partly because of Mayhem. Moved the entire pizza business and
Speaker 3: they live in Cookville.
Speaker 1: Now, so what what's it like you walking in that rich?
Speaker 2: Nothing nobody cares. I mean, I'm just rich, you know.
Speaker 1: Is he telling the truth?
Speaker 3: Yeah, unless unless there's a drop in. If there's drop ins,
Speaker 3: then that's different. Like yeah, I'm gonna take a bunch
Speaker 3: of pictures. But if it's normal every day, so you know,
Speaker 3: well there's not many days where there's not drop ins.
Speaker 3: Like I might take a picture or two with the
Speaker 3: people that are traveling from out of town, but everybody else,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm just Janis's son or richest son, honestly,
Speaker 3: Like that's just my mom worked in like in the
Speaker 3: restaurant kind of business for thirty years and of course
Speaker 3: you so you grew up and I grew up in
Speaker 3: Cook Cook Fill's home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty four years.
Speaker 1: Now you're like the hometown. You're the proud of.
Speaker 4: Their signing his home of Riches really.
Speaker 3: Oh that yeah, yeah, we got to emphasize that. Dad
Speaker 3: tries to take too much credit. He calls himself the
Speaker 3: original Rich fron So, your dad's name is Rich. Yeah,
Speaker 3: my dad's name is Rich. My son's name rich too.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Trice, Trice is what we call him.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the gym is on Rich Frowning Way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was not my so that must be named after.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 1: Just like they're actually in a meeting right now. They're
Speaker 1: probably turning it to Froningville.
Speaker 2: Where's the sculpture? There isn't one.
Speaker 6: It's like in the center of the town square rocky,
Speaker 6: like a rocky Most sculptures they would like be like
Speaker 6: really favorable to the guy, like if he had his
Speaker 6: like shirt off.
Speaker 1: Exactly, you'd be like, there's no way that guy looked
Speaker 1: like that. With Rich, if they made his statue, they'd
Speaker 1: be like, he pretty much looks.
Speaker 2: Like that's where it was. Yeah, no, man, ain't Cook Bill.
Speaker 1: Hey, let me tell you why this is relevant to
Speaker 1: all you out there, like, is that I met I
Speaker 1: met you like two or three months ago, And man,
Speaker 1: I hate it when people like say, man, I didn't
Speaker 1: even know who you were before I met you, Like
Speaker 1: people say, I mean, I've heard people say that to
Speaker 1: like Steve Ronell or something, and it's like what planet?
Speaker 2: Yeah, where are you from?
Speaker 1: But this is gonna actually be this is going to
Speaker 1: be endearing to our cause by me saying that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have known. I just not in the CrossFit world.
Speaker 1: I mean you might think I was, you know, but
Speaker 1: you are now and rich. I would have never even
Speaker 1: picked you out other than your buff right right. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't like your Your demeanor is just incredibly humble. I've
Speaker 1: got really you didn't care that I didn't really know
Speaker 1: anything about your story, and some people would have.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the deal is all I do is work out,
Speaker 3: you know, Like anybody that's like, oh you know he
Speaker 3: says stuff like that, I'm like, man, I just found
Speaker 3: something that people enjoyed watching and I got to make
Speaker 3: a living out of it, you know, Like it's it's
Speaker 3: I'm not any better. I've met people that are better
Speaker 3: than me and other things, and so I'm just like, hey,
Speaker 3: it's you know, and part of that probably goes back
Speaker 3: to the faith aspect. And and like I said, my parents,
Speaker 3: both of my parents are you know, that's just what
Speaker 3: you do, right, You just do what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 3: My whole family's like that. And you know, my wife
Speaker 3: does not think that I'm that cool. You know, well,
Speaker 3: you especially don't.
Speaker 1: Especially from the outside, not being in it like you
Speaker 1: would you would feel like, uh, well, the sports world.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to be in the sports
Speaker 1: world to know that it's full of ego. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean anything's full of ego, honey, worlds can be
Speaker 1: full of ego. But I mean that's what it stood
Speaker 1: out to me. After I met you. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this guy's not anything like what you would might think.
Speaker 1: If that wasn't a surprised to anybody that I talked to,
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, yeah, Riches incredible guy.
Speaker 2: Well I hope that.
Speaker 3: But one of the cool things about CrossFit is but
Speaker 3: I'm like, he's not as tough as they think he is.
Speaker 2: I wrestled him.
Speaker 3: One of the cool things about CrossFit and winning the
Speaker 3: games is you may win overall, but you lost a
Speaker 3: bunch of events in there, you know, like you know, there's.
Speaker 1: Could be somebody beat you and they're telling their grandkids
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: Hey, I beat him on one workout, right, And I
Speaker 3: get it all the time, like, oh, you know, first round,
Speaker 3: I beat you on that workout.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, the workout is five rounds, you know
Speaker 2: or whatever. Just local people even.
Speaker 1: But that would totally be me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, me too.
Speaker 3: And so you know, it's it's it's I just work
Speaker 3: out for a living and got to do something really cool,
Speaker 3: and you know, I get to provide for my family
Speaker 3: for doing something that I love.
Speaker 2: And I've met a lot of really cool people.
Speaker 3: You know, I've kind of had this epiphany the other
Speaker 3: day where you know, I've got a good friend.
Speaker 2: He's held George J.
Speaker 3: Webb like fifty or forty five, mid forties, mid forties,
Speaker 3: and he's like a school teacher and just started kind
Speaker 3: of showing up to my garage through a friend of
Speaker 3: a friend and now he's competing in the master's division
Speaker 3: and he's getting pretty good. And it's just cool to
Speaker 3: see those like friendships and you know, relationships you've made
Speaker 3: along the way, which I'm sure you've done the same
Speaker 3: with hunting, Like.
Speaker 2: There's just cool. I've been in the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: I've been able to be this part of this really
Speaker 3: cool CrossFit community, and you know, it gets a bad
Speaker 3: name at times because you have turds in every punch bowl.
Speaker 3: And then I've been a part of the mountain biking
Speaker 3: community because I've done the lead bill one hundred mountain
Speaker 3: Bike the last couple of years. And then now we're
Speaker 3: part of the hunting space and there's really positive and
Speaker 3: uplifting people in all of them.
Speaker 2: And then there's you know, there's some jerks in all
Speaker 2: of them. So it's just cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's that's really cool. To go back a
Speaker 1: little bit to the training stuff. Scott said this earlier
Speaker 1: to me. He said that you you said people were
Speaker 1: training like fifteen years ago, they were doing like one
Speaker 1: CrossFit workout a day, like I'll be at a really
Speaker 1: intense workout like training for games, and like these were
Speaker 1: the best guys in the world and they would do
Speaker 1: like one big training session a day to train and
Speaker 1: they were like hardcore. And then Rich came along and
Speaker 1: he started doing two sessions a day and It was
Speaker 1: almost like this exploration of like, wait a minute, can
Speaker 1: you can a human even do that?
Speaker 4: We well, so it started off Rich and Darren did
Speaker 4: two workouts and they didn't die from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you people really thought you might die.
Speaker 3: I specifically remember a CrossFit documentary I believe it was
Speaker 3: called Every Second Count, Every Second Count, and Tony Budding
Speaker 3: that got one of the guys that kind of kind
Speaker 3: of started the media side of the CrossFit games. Uh
Speaker 3: looks at the camera and was like, if you know,
Speaker 3: if people work out multiple times a day, they could die,
Speaker 3: And you're just like wow, you know, cause the the
Speaker 3: idea was that the intensity piece of CrossFit is the
Speaker 3: is what you know, draws people or what people I
Speaker 3: guess the suffering part of it right, which sounds weird
Speaker 3: and and and kind of crazy, but you know, so
Speaker 3: you hit this really hard workout and me and Darren,
Speaker 3: my cousin who I started CrossFit with, we both while
Speaker 3: while we were trying to run a gym, we also
Speaker 3: had a second job at another like kind of fitness,
Speaker 3: like a corporate fitness place, and so we're sitting there
Speaker 3: we did a work out that morning, and we're we're
Speaker 3: watching some CrossFit YouTube video and.
Speaker 2: We're like, oh, that's a cool workout. I want to
Speaker 2: go try it and see if we die, you know.
Speaker 3: Likes you know, we we knew we weren't weren't gonna die,
Speaker 3: but you're like, could we get rabdough from that?
Speaker 2: You know, like because that was the big thing is like,
Speaker 2: is that like a buzzword and that's gonna be uncle rap.
Speaker 3: There was a big like push back in you know,
Speaker 3: probably eight to ten years ago that like the anti
Speaker 3: CrossFit people were like, oh, you know, they're giving people
Speaker 3: rabdo and they're gonna die, you know, like you know,
Speaker 3: they're hurting people and and putting people in in the hospital.
Speaker 2: And I mean it happens, but it happens in a
Speaker 2: bunch of different areas.
Speaker 1: Rival other kind of worker the power yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: The powerlifters, the weightlifters, the bodybuilders, that type of stuff.
Speaker 2: But you got to watch, you know.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, we did two workouts and we were like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: so we can why not you know, trying to walk
Speaker 3: up the next day and still I'm sure, but I'm
Speaker 3: all right, you know.
Speaker 4: And so but from there, the envelope was pushed to
Speaker 4: the point of what it is now where people have
Speaker 4: to work out five, six, seven hours a day. It's
Speaker 4: a full time yeah, to be across the games athlete, and.
Speaker 2: I ruined it for everybody.
Speaker 4: Well, I think like the most famous or the most
Speaker 4: famous phrase and like the way to sum it up
Speaker 4: what you did was Jason when he said what's Rich doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wrote it on one of the guys that
Speaker 3: I competed with as a good friend of mine. He
Speaker 3: wrote on his wall in his garage, what's Rich doing?
Speaker 3: So he would do more.
Speaker 4: All the competitors knew, Like he'd go out and do
Speaker 4: rowing intervals at ten o'clock at night in the garage
Speaker 4: because he was sitting there stressed out that someone might
Speaker 4: beat him. So that was kind of how I think
Speaker 4: the sport evolved as quickly as it did, was him
Speaker 4: being like, actually, I can just keep doing more workouts
Speaker 4: all day long.
Speaker 2: So Rich, that's pretty what years were you? Did you win? So?
Speaker 3: I started in two thousand and nine, like July two
Speaker 3: thousand and nine, went to my first CrossFit competition in
Speaker 3: would have been February or March of twenty ten. I
Speaker 3: ended up getting second in twenty ten, one, twenty eleven, twelve,
Speaker 3: thirteen fourteen on a team, we won, fifteen sixteen, we
Speaker 3: got second again on seventeen.
Speaker 2: Don't talk about that.
Speaker 3: Then eighteen nineteen, COVID year, twenty one, twenty two all team.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that was on the team. You go.
Speaker 3: It's same time as the CrossFit games, as the individuals,
Speaker 3: and it started out as three men and three women
Speaker 3: on a team, and they would just and so the
Speaker 3: whole idea behind CrossFit is you don't know what you're
Speaker 3: showing up for.
Speaker 2: So you don't know what you're training for.
Speaker 3: You might find out a week before, you might find
Speaker 3: out as you walk on the floor.
Speaker 2: It was too late to do much by the time, and.
Speaker 3: So you know, they did the same thing with the
Speaker 3: teams where you know, and but they cut it back
Speaker 3: from three men and three women to two men and
Speaker 3: two women in twenty eighteen. I think, I think nineteen
Speaker 3: whatever it was eighteen, and so it's way better. I
Speaker 3: think that way. But you know it, are you still competing? No? Yes,
Speaker 3: I still work out way too much, just because I
Speaker 3: enjoy working out. I you know, I have this goal
Speaker 3: of I gotta let all the athletes know that.
Speaker 2: Hey, every once in a while, the old man still
Speaker 2: got it.
Speaker 6: I need to do get a bonus of old man
Speaker 6: strength once you started back in the year trying to
Speaker 6: find it, because it's actually regressed since I worked. I
Speaker 6: worked in the school where Clay's wife worked in all
Speaker 6: the teenage boys they want to arm wrestle, Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: and you just slam them down, and I just push
Speaker 6: them away and say, come back when you're a man.
Speaker 2: Come back when you're a man. You're you're the gatekeeper
Speaker 2: to man. That's right.
Speaker 3: And so you know, I want to be able to
Speaker 3: just be functional if I need to.
Speaker 2: I need as blame as it sounds.
Speaker 3: I got to look good with my shirt off, because
Speaker 3: program that's what sells programming.
Speaker 2: I want to be able to, like.
Speaker 1: That's not only been said on Bear Grease maybe handfull
Speaker 1: of the times.
Speaker 3: Right here, put it down, mark it down. I want
Speaker 3: to be able to do hard things and never question
Speaker 3: like can I do it right? And and you know,
Speaker 3: like we'll do a twenty four out. We did a
Speaker 3: twenty four hour row a couple of weeks ago. It's
Speaker 3: a charity. We do a twenty four hour mountain bike.
Speaker 3: I did Leadville the last two years, that one hundred
Speaker 3: mile mountain bike race that's in all above ten thousand feet,
Speaker 3: so I have to have something to train for, some
Speaker 3: type of target.
Speaker 6: Was it a was it a relief when you stop
Speaker 6: doing that high level competition?
Speaker 2: Or was it did you miss it? Uh?
Speaker 3: Parts of me misses it? Parts of me just I
Speaker 3: honestly I hated competing, the like dread of building up
Speaker 3: to it, just the like you know how bad it's
Speaker 3: gonna hurt. There's the expectation. But then as soon as
Speaker 3: three two one go happens, everything else like as weird
Speaker 3: as it sounds, as you know, as cliche as it like,
Speaker 3: everything else slows down, and you know, like there's loud music,
Speaker 3: there's all this kind of stuff going on. But I
Speaker 3: couldn't tell you. I can maybe tell you two songs
Speaker 3: that have ever been played at the CrossFit games.
Speaker 2: Songs about remember the name?
Speaker 1: And then can you can you sing it?
Speaker 2: No? You don't want to cross?
Speaker 3: And then there's what's uh is it Gangsters in Paris
Speaker 3: or something like that? Oh yeah, it's something else but
Speaker 3: the edited version, but it's definitely not edited acrossfit competition.
Speaker 3: But those two songs, for some reason, I can remember
Speaker 3: the exact event, the one with The second song I
Speaker 3: said was that it's called the Down in Back Chipper.
Speaker 3: We were in Carson, California. It's in the tennis stadium,
Speaker 3: it's at night. There's just like like a Friday night
Speaker 3: light football feel to it. And then the last one
Speaker 3: was my last year as an individual. Kind of the
Speaker 3: event that like kicked off kind of the comeback is
Speaker 3: called Midline March, and it was in the stadium that
Speaker 3: was remember the name. I don't know why those two
Speaker 3: memories with those songs are the only songs that I
Speaker 3: ever remember being played. You know, we probably probably heard
Speaker 3: hundreds of songs or thousands even, and so I missed
Speaker 3: pieces and parts of it, but I don't miss the
Speaker 3: stress of it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: I think the part that was tough for you at
Speaker 4: the end, from my perspective, is the expectation that you
Speaker 4: have to win. Yeah, it would be like coming out
Speaker 4: here and if if you didn't shoot one hundred eight
Speaker 4: inch deer, they're like, well why did you you know even.
Speaker 3: Come out here, we would win. It was relief. There
Speaker 3: was no like celebration, you know, it was just like
Speaker 3: you were because you were expected, because you're expected to win,
Speaker 3: and if you know, if something was tough, and so yeah,
Speaker 3: ten years or twelve years of that, you're just like,
Speaker 3: I'm good now. So you felt like Simon Biles, Yeah, basically, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it's now.
Speaker 1: How does Simone feel? Some of us don't know about Simone.
Speaker 6: She felt the pressure of having to be the best
Speaker 6: every time she stepped on the floor, even though she
Speaker 6: was gymnastics.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm not in the Olympics.
Speaker 2: World Olympic gymnastics. Yeah, she's like the goat. Yeah she's awesome,
Speaker 2: she's incredible. But yeah, I mean it would it would
Speaker 2: be like that. But I was also.
Speaker 3: Thirty six years old and my body was, you know,
Speaker 3: not that it was failing me, but trying to like
Speaker 3: push through stuff. You're like, I don't have to do
Speaker 3: that anymore, you know, like, and so I'll still do
Speaker 3: We do a local competition in Michigan in Muskegan, Michigan
Speaker 3: is called Fresh Coast, And I'll do some charity like
Speaker 3: partner competitions.
Speaker 2: I'm not individual.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no part of me ever wants to work
Speaker 3: out by myself in front of people like a dancing bear.
Speaker 2: Ever. Again, I'll partner somebody or do whatever.
Speaker 3: So you know, I still still work out, Like I'm,
Speaker 3: you know, getting ready for something even though I'm not.
Speaker 3: But who knows, one day I might do something, you know.
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, yeah, so interesting.
Speaker 6: I like maybe you could be like, I'm doing all
Speaker 6: this working out because I know Joe's moving next summer
Speaker 6: and I got to move this.
Speaker 2: You got to help him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see. I want I want to
Speaker 1: rich to help me drag my buck out.
Speaker 2: Wanted to see what.
Speaker 1: It would feel like for the fittest man in the world.
Speaker 1: Have the other antler going is that one of the
Speaker 1: events that they do. I could drag a sled. We
Speaker 1: do that a lot to prep for whatever we're doing
Speaker 1: elk or. It's a it's a unique body movement and
Speaker 1: stressor to drag a buck it really it's a weird
Speaker 1: as you're you're you're like, you know, what's worse actually
Speaker 1: dragging a dough because there's nothing to hang on.
Speaker 2: To hold on to the you know, it's even worse
Speaker 2: dragging a bear. Dragging a bear.
Speaker 1: That's right, Well, that's why you don't drag bears.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: But if you if your knife skills aren't as good
Speaker 3: and you that's kind of the first time you've ever
Speaker 3: killed something like that by yourself without a friend that
Speaker 3: knows what they're doing, you drag the bear out, you know, or.
Speaker 1: If you're in Eastern Tennessee. Yeah, yeah, that was about
Speaker 1: I was about to say something like kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't drag bears. But then in East Tennessee, the
Speaker 1: man that I know that I personally know that has
Speaker 1: killed more bears than any person I've ever known, they
Speaker 1: drag every bear out they killed. We were in there
Speaker 1: and river killed the bear that was like a three
Speaker 1: talking about Roy Clark in East Tennessee. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was like a rough hike down there, like steep, I
Speaker 1: mean like we were sliding all the way down and
Speaker 1: then it was like a half mile.
Speaker 5: In a creek bed to like a road. And they
Speaker 5: were like, we're dragging it.
Speaker 2: That sounds like Colorado?
Speaker 4: Does it sounds like exactly what we did in Colorado.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They have a big cultural thing there to get
Speaker 1: it out whole, Like they want to put it on
Speaker 1: their dog box and they want to be able to
Speaker 1: weigh it. Because I was with them the first time
Speaker 1: I was with them and we killed a bear way back,
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean it was like black, dark
Speaker 1: and raining, and there were just a few of us
Speaker 1: that made it back to this tree and shot this bear. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we shot it in the daylight,
Speaker 1: but like by the time we were dragging it out
Speaker 1: messing around, its dark, and it wasn't that big of
Speaker 1: a bear. And I was like, boys, we'll quarter this
Speaker 1: thing up and each of this will carry a piece.
Speaker 1: This is no big deal.
Speaker 2: And they were like, say, what boy, where are you from.
Speaker 2: Put your knife down.
Speaker 1: Young boy. We're gonna drag this thing out.
Speaker 4: We'll just pretend that's why we did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's why we did it.
Speaker 3: Was like you were from eas Tennessee, well, eastern middle Tennessee.
Speaker 3: We're right at the edge, you know, Cumberland Plateau.
Speaker 1: I I've got a I got a serious question for you.
Speaker 1: That's uh that I think it's really relevant. So if
Speaker 1: somebody were to use the phrase idea, that would mean
Speaker 1: a lot of different things to different people. So I'll
Speaker 1: just like categorize identity as humans on planet Earth are
Speaker 1: constantly trying to kind of figure out who they are
Speaker 1: based upon their context. And we typically in some ways,
Speaker 1: like humans are complex things because we do have this
Speaker 1: like physical life, but we also have this like inner
Speaker 1: spiritual life that's very real and all humans regardless of
Speaker 1: like what you think about religion or anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: like we're quite different than than animals.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And so my question is going to be, so you
Speaker 1: can be preparing for it, is how do you excel?
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna give I'm gonna qualify it a little
Speaker 1: bit more, but I'm gonna ask you the questions to
Speaker 1: be ready rich. This is like a CrossFit game where
Speaker 1: you get the workout like right when it starts it
Speaker 1: is now, but you've been training for this one. The
Speaker 1: question is how do you not take on the external
Speaker 1: identity of the things that you do? And how do
Speaker 1: you have a more healthy real identity in in like
Speaker 1: a spiritual sense and more of a and more of
Speaker 1: a who am I as a man? Who am I
Speaker 1: called to be? Who am as like inside my inside
Speaker 1: my family? Because people typically equate themselves and inside a
Speaker 1: hunting it's like that, like like people take a lot
Speaker 1: of identity inside of hunting. And the reason that's a problem,
Speaker 1: Like you might be like, well what's the problem with that?
Speaker 1: And people would look at me and be like, well,
Speaker 1: pay you identify as a hunter, I absolutely do. But
Speaker 1: I but I would say that my the core of
Speaker 1: my identity really who I am when I close my eyes.
Speaker 1: If it's based around this external thing that I do,
Speaker 1: it ultimately is going to fail because there's gonna come
Speaker 1: a day when I can't hunt do it. There's gonna
Speaker 1: come a day when I'm not good at hunting and
Speaker 1: I don't kill it. Like what happens when like this
Speaker 1: thing like kind of lets me down, And that's when
Speaker 1: you got to have like this real identity of who
Speaker 1: you are. So with you as accomplished as you are externally,
Speaker 1: I hear you talk a lot about how that did
Speaker 1: not become your identity, right, how do you do that?
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna weave back and tell you kind of
Speaker 3: where this all started. So twenty ten, I, you know,
Speaker 3: had just finished being a firefighter, ex college baseball player,
Speaker 3: one of thirty two first cousins on my mom's side,
Speaker 3: twenty five or boys. Everything's a competition, everything's a thump
Speaker 3: your chest, you know, like, you know, be a man,
Speaker 3: you know, be you know, show what you can do, right,
Speaker 3: go to the cross of the games, and really with
Speaker 3: no expectation of even qualifying I win when one of
Speaker 3: the qualifiers, go to the next stage, thinking all right,
Speaker 3: if I can at least, you know, do a good
Speaker 3: job here and set myself up for maybe next year
Speaker 3: making the CASS Games. End up actually winning that regionals
Speaker 3: what they called it, went sectionals in regionals. Then I
Speaker 3: went to the CrossFit Games and I'm in first place
Speaker 3: going into the final three events. They pull eighteen of
Speaker 3: us six men, six women or sorry three or eighteen men,
Speaker 3: eighteen women, three heats of six and six and pull
Speaker 3: us out, put us in a room, take your cell
Speaker 3: phones away, take everything away, no communication. They pull you
Speaker 3: out six people at a time, alternating six men, six women,
Speaker 3: And I think, I don't even remember if it was that.
Speaker 3: I've tried to block this whole thing out of my head,
Speaker 3: but I don't even know what how many points I'm
Speaker 3: in the lead at this point. It's not many. It's
Speaker 3: pretty close, but I'm like, all right, my whole goal
Speaker 3: here was not to get last, and maybe I'll win.
Speaker 3: This thing is twenty five thousand dollars, I'll be able
Speaker 3: to me and my wife are getting married.
Speaker 2: I'm getting At that point, I was engaged.
Speaker 3: It was gonna get married next year, and I'm like
Speaker 3: all right, you know, like, hey, it's a good start, right,
Speaker 3: And so we're in this room and don't really know
Speaker 3: anybody I'm new to kind of the whole deal, and
Speaker 3: people just keep disappearing. You're hearing crowd noise because we're
Speaker 3: in the the stadium base. It really feels like what
Speaker 3: I feel like the Gladiators felt like without the Lions
Speaker 3: and tigers. But at this point you don't know if
Speaker 3: there are lions and tigers out there and exactly. So
Speaker 3: you walk out on the floor. The traditional thing with CrossFit.
Speaker 3: I here's the deal is I sweat a lot, so
Speaker 3: I take my shirt off so I don't waist his shirt.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm taking my shirt off. Everybody's doing it.
Speaker 3: As we're walking on the floor, the guy who started
Speaker 3: the cross of a games, Dave castro X, Navy seal
Speaker 3: not known for his bedside manner, looks at us and says,
Speaker 3: put your effort shirt back on. It's pretty hot out there. Okay,
Speaker 3: what are we doing? You know, like, what are the
Speaker 3: some something on fire?
Speaker 2: You know? So we walk out on the floor.
Speaker 3: They lead us six out and he goes, all right,
Speaker 3: workout is I think it was thirty push ups, climb
Speaker 3: this twelve foot wall with you know's a rope open
Speaker 3: over twenty one overhead squats, three rounds, three to one go.
Speaker 3: Everybody's like what. Somebody drops down, starts doing push up.
Speaker 3: So that's the first workout. He had seven minutes to finish,
Speaker 3: and like a lamb led to slaughter, I go as
Speaker 3: hard as I can. Only person that finished that first
Speaker 3: workout didn't. On the other side of that wall. There's
Speaker 3: another workout, and then after that workout there's another workout,
Speaker 3: and so there's three workouts and three separate scores, and
Speaker 3: so I win that first one. I'm basically drunk at
Speaker 3: this point. I'm like, what's going on. They're like, oh,
Speaker 3: the next workouts here, and so you go to do
Speaker 3: that one. No idea what even that workout still is
Speaker 3: to this day. It was with toes de bar and
Speaker 3: ground overhead. The next workout you do burpies where you
Speaker 3: got on touch your chest, go up over the wall,
Speaker 3: and then you climb a rope, growing up, climb a
Speaker 3: rope a thousand times, but always no hands right or
Speaker 3: no feet sorry, no feet, no legs because my dad
Speaker 3: says that was for sissies. And so you'd done all
Speaker 3: these workouts and then I'm watching these guys go up
Speaker 3: and down these ropes and the ropes and they're using
Speaker 3: their feet and I'm so just messed up. It's I
Speaker 3: think they did tested the floors, like one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty one hundred and thirty degrees or something like that
Speaker 3: on the floor. You know, it's probably ambient one hundred
Speaker 3: and so you're just like, what's going on.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to climb this rope. Can't get up, it,
Speaker 2: can't get up it.
Speaker 3: There's people taking their shoelaces off of their shoes trying
Speaker 3: to show me how to wrap my feet from the crowd,
Speaker 3: you know, because it's pretty like, uh, grassroots is yeah,
Speaker 3: grass grass roots ish at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so I'm just like whatever.
Speaker 3: And so I get enough muster, enough courage, get up
Speaker 3: without my feet, touch the cross beam at twenty feet
Speaker 3: and then woom straight down fall and so I end
Speaker 3: up getting up two more times. Finish, they pull us
Speaker 3: off the floor. We know nothing, pull us off the floor.
Speaker 3: We have to go drug test for an hour. You
Speaker 3: don't have to peek because after you as soon as
Speaker 3: you finish, they'll they'll at this point, they only did
Speaker 3: it after Now they do it intermittent. I've been blood tested,
Speaker 3: I've been blood tested, I've been he tested.
Speaker 1: Slip into the bathroom.
Speaker 3: Like yeah something, who knows, and so we go into
Speaker 3: drug tests and probably forty five minutes later they do
Speaker 3: the awards ceremony. Still told nothing, like, I don't know
Speaker 3: what's happened, right, So we come out and I see
Speaker 3: on the big check. My name's not on the big check.
Speaker 3: So that's how I find out that I'd gotten second place.
Speaker 3: Tell you all that. You know, everybody's like, oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: You got second place the first time I was supposed
Speaker 3: to win.
Speaker 2: For me, it was like.
Speaker 3: The drug pulled out right because I'd built up, you know,
Speaker 3: and I'd failed, and so, you know, not in any
Speaker 3: way was it Like. I wasn't like super depressed, but
Speaker 3: I was like, man, what am I doing my life? Like,
Speaker 3: you know, we kind of owned this gym, but you know,
Speaker 3: what what am I trying to do? And so I,
Speaker 3: the head strength and conditioning coach at Tennessee Tech, offered
Speaker 3: me a graduate assistant spot and I was like sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean maybe that's what I want to do, right,
Speaker 3: you know, like I just finished the fire department. Plan
Speaker 3: was to get a master's and then come back to
Speaker 3: the fire department and do that. But I'm like what
Speaker 3: there was just there was a hole, right, And so
Speaker 3: my whole life, my I always joked that my Grandma
Speaker 3: Violet has a direct line to God, like she the
Speaker 3: woman is incredible. Both my grandma's, my grandpa's. My whole
Speaker 3: family is just faith driven. But it was more.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 3: It was like something I had to do and out
Speaker 3: of like necessity of like hey, God, how can you
Speaker 3: help me? You know, like never like what can I
Speaker 3: do for you? And so I had a really cool
Speaker 3: chip who was the head strength and conditioning coach, invited
Speaker 3: me to a Bible study and so we started reading Romans.
Speaker 3: And then I had another buddy that he asked me
Speaker 3: a question. He's like, if you you were to die today,
Speaker 3: would you go to Heaven? And I was like, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 3: I believe in God, you know, and I believe Jesus
Speaker 3: died for it. But I was just not living that
Speaker 3: life and went back started reading Matthew in the Gospels
Speaker 3: and went Matthew Mark Luke, you know, kept reading Romans,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, man, you know, Jesus got baptized.
Speaker 2: When he was thirty. I'm twenty four.
Speaker 3: I think at the time, I was baptized in the
Speaker 3: Catholic Church, but we kind of like when we moved
Speaker 3: to Tennessee, Catholic Church isn't big in the South, and
Speaker 3: so we Baptist Presbyterian. But it was never never an
Speaker 3: identity for me, right, it was like if I went
Speaker 3: to my Bible, it was like, all right, what can
Speaker 3: you give me God that I need today? Or you know,
Speaker 3: like you know there's something there, But it was never
Speaker 3: that relationship and I'm like, oh man, there's like there's
Speaker 3: so much more to this. And I say all that
Speaker 3: to like, you know, my whole life was whatever I
Speaker 3: was doing. I was trying to succeed in that because
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, like I could make people proud
Speaker 3: of me, and that was my identity.
Speaker 2: And that's who Rich was. Like he's a competitor, he's
Speaker 2: all these things. But like.
Speaker 3: What I've found was that my life, you know, in Christ,
Speaker 3: and so my identity is in Christ. So whatever He's done,
Speaker 3: like my all the gifts that I've been given, I
Speaker 3: feel like my way to give back is to glorify God,
Speaker 3: and so I got the tattoo Galatians six fourteen, and
Speaker 3: that's may. I never boast in anything except for the
Speaker 3: Cross of the Lord Jesus Christ, which has been crucified
Speaker 3: to me and out of the world. And so for me,
Speaker 3: it's I could compete from there, you know. So I
Speaker 3: always joke that, like I'm you know, the next year
Speaker 3: at the Cross of the Games, you know, i'd won.
Speaker 3: I think I got second in the open, which is
Speaker 3: this big, you know, like they switched the whole season.
Speaker 2: But then he went to regionals, won my regional.
Speaker 3: I was good to go go to the Cross at Games,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to the bus to the first event
Speaker 3: and it was like a swim, a run in the sand,
Speaker 3: and something else. And I'm like, read Jeremiah twenty nine
Speaker 3: to eleven, you know, for I know the plans I
Speaker 3: have for you, declares the Lord plans to prospery and
Speaker 3: keep you and give you hope in the future. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, we're good, right, And then I
Speaker 3: get twenty seventh on that event and I'm like, all right.
Speaker 2: God, maybe you're trying to show me I'm a humble loser.
Speaker 3: But it was like it was a cool that I
Speaker 3: could actually disconnect from it and I was okay, right,
Speaker 3: and I knew that my whoever I was in CrossFit
Speaker 3: or whoever I was.
Speaker 2: In life, it it.
Speaker 3: Means something, but it doesn't mean as much as what
Speaker 3: Christ did and what He's done. And I could compete
Speaker 3: from this place that hey, I'm gonna be okay, Like
Speaker 3: I'm still a competitor and I hate losing, Like talk
Speaker 3: to anybody, like, I'm not a pleasant person to be
Speaker 3: around when I lose. But I could still in that
Speaker 3: moment compete from a good spot. And then when it
Speaker 3: was all over a couple of weeks later, and where's off,
Speaker 3: I'm okay, right, you know, I don't think I hate
Speaker 3: the whole like, well, Christians are soft, you know, they're
Speaker 3: not competitors or you know, like the Bible tells you
Speaker 3: to you know, like love your neighbor. I still love
Speaker 3: my neighbor, but I want to beat you, you know,
Speaker 3: like and so you know, and.
Speaker 1: Then there you I love my neighborhood.
Speaker 2: I still want to beat you.
Speaker 1: I'll beat you in a push up contest any day.
Speaker 2: Whatever you want to do.
Speaker 3: And uh so, yeah, so that long, long winded answer
Speaker 3: to say, my identity is in Christ. And then now
Speaker 3: it's like with my kids, that's what I want them
Speaker 3: to know that, you know, what you're gonna do is cool,
Speaker 3: But those things in the world are going to fail you, right,
Speaker 3: Like those things can be taken away in an instant,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I think that's the that's the
Speaker 1: beauty of of I mean, really the crux of the
Speaker 1: of the Christian faith is belief in Christ. But it's
Speaker 1: it's it's belief in something something bigger, greater than us,
Speaker 1: Like we're part of something so much bigger, and that
Speaker 1: decentralizes it's designed to decentralize us, right, you know where
Speaker 1: where the world, in everything even biologically on this planet
Speaker 1: in a way kind of tries to to me, to
Speaker 1: isolate you. Yeah, me, me, me, you know, and so and.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I don't fight that, oh You're still
Speaker 3: like it's a daily battle, you know, like it's it's
Speaker 3: you know, we have faith, family, fitness, service, that mayhem
Speaker 3: and so for me, that's like our core values. And
Speaker 3: so for me, faith, family fitness are the main like
Speaker 3: every day you know, like service is a huge part
Speaker 3: of who we are. But every day it's faith, family, fitness,
Speaker 3: and like I try to have a short memory when
Speaker 3: I do good, and I try to have a short
Speaker 3: memory when I do bad. But I try to be
Speaker 3: as objective as possible every day and kind of like
Speaker 3: how did you do right? And just try to piece
Speaker 3: those two together right consistently.
Speaker 1: That's that's powerful, man, That's great.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: There's when it comes to I mean is when it
Speaker 1: comes to faith, it's as real as you as a
Speaker 1: person makes it, you know, I mean like in terms
Speaker 1: of and I know for me, man, I mean, my
Speaker 1: my biblically based faith is like it's like powerful stuff
Speaker 1: to me, like absolutely the pinnacle of everything that I do,
Speaker 1: not not some like religious external And if you're if
Speaker 1: you're not, like if you've never I don't know if
Speaker 1: that doesn't vibe with you, it can when you hear
Speaker 1: people talk about religion that it can be like a
Speaker 1: you know, it's just not for me, it's not, man, No,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it very very real. And that's
Speaker 1: what I sense inside of you is that this is
Speaker 1: like a real thing, Like this is not just like
Speaker 1: an external check box of like I wanna.
Speaker 3: It's like any other relationship right. So you know, you
Speaker 3: get more into a relationship the more you put into it.
Speaker 3: And it's the same thing with that relationship with Christ,
Speaker 3: I think, you know, like if I'm in the word
Speaker 3: every day, you try to be in every day, you know,
Speaker 3: Like there's days where it you know, I get busy,
Speaker 3: right having three kids, young kids, but I try to
Speaker 3: or listen to worship music or whatever. There's something that's
Speaker 3: usually being told somehow right to you, and so I
Speaker 3: just there's day those days, I know are noticeably better
Speaker 3: than days where I'm not doing what I should be doing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and you know, people, it does you get
Speaker 3: people turned off, you know, like I you know, you'll
Speaker 3: see comments like, oh, there you go talking about the
Speaker 3: Bible again. I'm like, man, I've just seen what it's
Speaker 3: done for me, and I've seen what's done for a
Speaker 3: lot of other people. And you know, religion and faith
Speaker 3: technically aren't the same different things, but they are to me,
Speaker 3: you know, like religion is laws and rules and what
Speaker 3: we've kind of like what people have attached to the Bible, right,
Speaker 3: you know, And so man, it's just it's it's done
Speaker 3: amazing things for me and my family and my life.
Speaker 3: And so I just tried to tell as many people
Speaker 3: as I can about how awesome it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good Bear, I told you, I asked you earlier
Speaker 1: if you had any questions for rich anything. Hm hmm.
Speaker 1: Well I'll swing back around to the first question I asked,
Speaker 1: is what did you get your degree? All the way
Speaker 1: back swept this all time.
Speaker 2: It's like, thanks, damn.
Speaker 1: This is this. This is what it's like having a
Speaker 1: podcaster for a dad. When you ask a question, I
Speaker 1: got this.
Speaker 2: We'll come back Bear. Exercise siense, Yeah my degree was
Speaker 2: an exercise sise.
Speaker 1: Imagine that.
Speaker 2: Imagine that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually like I think I'm six or.
Speaker 1: No wonder in the world science degree.
Speaker 2: Learned it from a book.
Speaker 5: My second question, and probably most important question push ups
Speaker 5: real push ups or push up and see on the
Speaker 5: on the internet.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, tell you.
Speaker 1: What would be would be?
Speaker 3: You know, you see guys in the NFL or whatever
Speaker 3: when they're like, get down and do push ups when
Speaker 3: they miss a tackle or something. But they're just like,
Speaker 3: you know, just bending your arms with us it's chest
Speaker 3: touches the ground and then full the top. But you also,
Speaker 3: push up is a hard movement to judge I don't
Speaker 3: think it's a good judgment movement because you know what
Speaker 3: you've seen all seen the people where like a push
Speaker 3: up to me is like straight line from your heels
Speaker 3: to the back of your head.
Speaker 2: But everybody's seen people that like their.
Speaker 3: Butt kind of stays and the same, and so it's
Speaker 3: just like that it's such a weird I like personally,
Speaker 3: and and I'll probably get a ton of like hate
Speaker 3: from the crossfitters. I think a strict pull up competition
Speaker 3: is actually better better test strength, better test because grip
Speaker 3: strength is actually the one thing that they say is
Speaker 3: a direct strength, a direct col I don't know, is
Speaker 3: a direct cool core to longevity in life.
Speaker 5: I don't know really, Yeah, so what do you think
Speaker 5: about the like I always see people making, yeah, kipping pullups, man,
Speaker 5: I think there's a place for it, because that's you're
Speaker 5: gonna see the note you don't you don't get on
Speaker 5: the CrossFit interwebs, but one of the main knocks about
Speaker 5: CrossFit is kipping pull ups.
Speaker 2: Everybody, they tear me up. I meant.
Speaker 3: You. So basically, the idea is you're supposed to increase
Speaker 3: your work capacity across time, so like be able to
Speaker 3: do more wraps faster. So if we are to just
Speaker 3: say a pull up is arms locked out at the
Speaker 3: bottom and your chin over the bar. As long as
Speaker 3: you do that, the movement standard has met. People have
Speaker 3: figured out how to initiate some hip from gymnasts from
Speaker 3: you know, uh like, so you you initiate some hip
Speaker 3: drive into.
Speaker 1: It, like you would, but as long as you're doing
Speaker 1: the so I there's a place for it.
Speaker 2: Kipping.
Speaker 3: There's a place for kipping in competition, I think for
Speaker 3: everyday people, for people in the gym, even for myself,
Speaker 3: I don't kip a ton, and if I'm doing a
Speaker 3: competition event, I'll throw in some kipping or if I'm
Speaker 3: getting ready for a competition, I'll throw in some kipping
Speaker 3: pull ups only to prepare for that competition, because it
Speaker 3: is and that's where you see a lot of injuries.
Speaker 2: It looks violent, it is.
Speaker 3: And it isn't like it looks like depending on if
Speaker 3: you do it the correct way, like there is a
Speaker 3: lot of like fall off at the bottom. But I
Speaker 3: mean you look at Olympic lifting, so what some people
Speaker 3: would say like a shoulder press, so you got a
Speaker 3: bar on your shoulder and you just press it up right,
Speaker 3: So why is it okay for them, like in a
Speaker 3: jerk to dip and press that's allowed?
Speaker 2: Why is that not allowed in the pull up?
Speaker 3: I see the like general population should not be doing that,
Speaker 3: but in a competition yea.
Speaker 2: So how many pull up?
Speaker 3: The most kipping pull ups I've ever done? I think
Speaker 3: was eighty four in a row. But that's it's about
Speaker 3: straight just straight up kip it or straight strict pull ups.
Speaker 3: Thirty two or thirty one I think is the most
Speaker 3: I've ever done.
Speaker 1: Break Are you familiar with Truet Haynes cam?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: What's what's the deal?
Speaker 2: He can do a lot of pull ups? Man?
Speaker 1: I mean he's like he did I think, like, uh
Speaker 1: at least eight thousand pull ups in a in a.
Speaker 2: Like Yeah he was.
Speaker 3: He was like the Guinness Book of World Records for
Speaker 3: him and Goggins went back and forth.
Speaker 4: Well then I think he got it true true.
Speaker 1: It was as I understood that he was like the
Speaker 1: world he held the record world pay. Yeah, and somebody
Speaker 1: heard about it and they were like, oh, shoot, I
Speaker 1: can take eight thousand.
Speaker 2: What's that? That's crazy. That's a lot. But that's something
Speaker 2: you got to train for you know, like your body.
Speaker 6: If you just want many would it take me to
Speaker 6: get up to eight thousand pull ups on?
Speaker 1: Probably a couple you may have missed your time, Josh,
Speaker 1: I passed. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: So well the answer is, I don't know on push
Speaker 2: ups ballpark it fifty ish, Maybe I don't know real
Speaker 2: push ups. Yeah, I've got a.
Speaker 3: Competition, yes, but but then we're going to judge them
Speaker 3: to the standard, you know, like to the frownings and
Speaker 3: so I man, I've got all kind of you know.
Speaker 3: That's and that's one of the knocks on CrossFit is
Speaker 3: it's dangerous, you know, like getting off the couch is dangerous, right,
Speaker 3: So if you're doing it in a a local affiliate
Speaker 3: or a gym where you know good coaching, it's it's
Speaker 3: pretty safe, you know, like if you've got somebody watching,
Speaker 3: you can drop your ego at the door. What's so
Speaker 3: good about it is the movement's changed so much that
Speaker 3: you're doing different things versus just running. You know, like
Speaker 3: running has one of the highest injury rates because it's
Speaker 3: so repetitive and it's the same thing over and over.
Speaker 3: But what I did for years was I put my
Speaker 3: body through the ringer right. So anything you do in excess,
Speaker 3: anything you do at a high level, takes a toll.
Speaker 3: So like my rotator cuf, I shoot left handed, but
Speaker 3: I'm not left handed because my rotator cuff is trash
Speaker 3: on my left side. So it's you know, push ups right,
Speaker 3: you know, like I can still for the most part.
Speaker 3: I just got to warm them up good and make
Speaker 3: sure that i'm you know, doing some stuff. But you
Speaker 3: know what I did for years, and I wouldn't change
Speaker 3: a thing, you know, like I did all that knowing
Speaker 3: and expecting that down the road, you know, we'll see
Speaker 3: what happens. So I'm just hoping that knee replacements get
Speaker 3: better in the next you know, ten or fifteen years
Speaker 3: or lasts longer, you know, because uh really, honestly, yeah, honestly,
Speaker 3: the only major thing that I have is is this
Speaker 3: left knee. Just some days it's really good and other
Speaker 3: days it's not, just because it's basically just there's no
Speaker 3: cartilage left, you know, like, and there's no rhyme or
Speaker 3: reason why. One day it'll feel or look you know, normal,
Speaker 3: and then the next day it's swallowed up like a
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: So what will the life of seventy year old Rich
Speaker 2: frunning look like hopefully by then there's you know, titanium
Speaker 2: is good.
Speaker 3: I honestly, I think I think I'll still be all
Speaker 3: right because as long as I keep moving every day,
Speaker 3: I feel good. It's the days when I'm like, I'm
Speaker 3: not you know, honestly, there's not a day where I'm
Speaker 3: like I'm not going to do anything. But you know,
Speaker 3: the less that I do and less that I put
Speaker 3: my body, you know, me and Clay were talking about
Speaker 3: this yesterday, like one of the things that I hate,
Speaker 3: not hate, but like when people are like, ah, I'd
Speaker 3: have to get in shape before I did CrossFit, I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: that's not the point. The point is CrossFit is what
Speaker 3: should get you in shape. If you wanted to do
Speaker 3: the CrossFit games, yeah, you'd have to get in shape
Speaker 3: to do that. But like me and Clay were talking,
Speaker 3: like I hate the whole Like, oh, I you know,
Speaker 3: I bodybuilders are stupid, weightlifters are stupid.
Speaker 2: Powerlift.
Speaker 3: It's like, do what you want to do as long
Speaker 3: as you're moving through some I said, be able to
Speaker 3: move your body weight through space, get your heart rate
Speaker 3: up a little bit every day, carry things, pick things up,
Speaker 3: like whatever's going to enhance your life and make your
Speaker 3: life better, and you enjoy that's physical activity.
Speaker 2: Do it. That's all I care about.
Speaker 1: I also asked Rich, I said, uh, is there any Well,
Speaker 1: let's not have a huge conversation about supplements. But uh,
Speaker 1: but I said, I said to him, what supplement would
Speaker 1: you take if you could just take one magic supplement?
Speaker 3: There's nutrition, Man, you got to you gotta take nutritions.
Speaker 2: I mean, I like caffeine, like nutrition. Nutrition.
Speaker 1: I mean, he basically said nutrition.
Speaker 2: Act.
Speaker 1: I thought he might be like, Man, I'm doing this
Speaker 1: and doing this and doing this and doing this and this,
Speaker 1: and I mean.
Speaker 3: I mean I've gone through times where you know, I
Speaker 3: took creatine and I've noticed some positives. You know, we
Speaker 3: work with mountain ups. I like caffeine. I like the
Speaker 3: beta kind of itch makes me feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: pre work out just because and there's it's scientifically proven
Speaker 3: that it does help buffer lactic acid. And you can
Speaker 3: get into those things. But man, you know, sustitutes good
Speaker 3: nutrition and nutrition after and doing something being outside. You know,
Speaker 3: like what about testosterone? I will take it when I
Speaker 3: get to that point. I mean, when my numbers are good.
Speaker 3: They've I've you know they've ebbed and flowed over the years,
Speaker 3: and you know that's testosterone is one of the things
Speaker 3: it's hard to like, so many things mess with it,
Speaker 3: you know, environmental factors, sleep, stress, those types of things.
Speaker 3: So you almost need like a couple of weeks between
Speaker 3: taking things or taking blood tests, uh to do it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, when mine gets to the point where it's
Speaker 3: you know, three four hundred on a regular basis, then
Speaker 3: you better believe.
Speaker 4: It's never getting there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad, well dad takes it now, So I
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm supposed to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I mean I am everything, you know,
Speaker 3: like if if a doctor's I guess you can't really
Speaker 3: use doctors because they're not always accurate. But I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, like I I think, I think it's an individual.
Speaker 3: You know what you've got to figure out. As an
Speaker 3: I we talked to you.
Speaker 1: I've heard some people be like every man over thirty five,
Speaker 1: I would be on testosterone. I mean, you know that's
Speaker 1: an exact exaggeration.
Speaker 2: But I was on it for a while and then
Speaker 2: I got off.
Speaker 6: Actually did you started making my cholesterol go out pretty bad,
Speaker 6: and you know, I need to have some better nutrition.
Speaker 2: But but is.
Speaker 1: This the time on the podcast and we're going to
Speaker 1: tell the world.
Speaker 2: Why you run testicular cancer.
Speaker 6: Oh and uh so one of our buddies, part of
Speaker 6: my testosterone making production system is gone gone, and that,
Speaker 6: uh that's affected my testosterone. And I can I can
Speaker 6: tell when it ebbs and flas you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: It does ebb and flow.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, I've done it.
Speaker 3: You like, I did intermittent fasting for a while because
Speaker 3: mine was kind of tanking a little bit. And I
Speaker 3: did it for three or four years, intermittent fasting, and
Speaker 3: my testosterone jumped.
Speaker 2: It went up, it went up.
Speaker 1: So I was told that that makes it go down.
Speaker 1: See mine went up. It was like, is it's supposed
Speaker 1: to make it go down?
Speaker 3: So I'd heard that it was the opposite, that it
Speaker 3: would go up because your body has more, you know,
Speaker 3: like in that window. The idea is that, you know,
Speaker 3: your digestion takes so much energy from the rest of
Speaker 3: your body, from your endocrine system, all that stuff, that
Speaker 3: if you isolate the time when your digestive system is working,
Speaker 3: that body, our body functions. So I don't know, you know,
Speaker 3: I guess the that was kind of a big thing.
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, and I loved it. But
Speaker 3: then I got to the point where when I was
Speaker 3: when I was working out and training a bunch that like,
Speaker 3: I couldn't take in enough calories in that eight hour window,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I went from walking around at
Speaker 3: one ninety five, which I have for fifteen years probably
Speaker 3: down to one eighty four or something like that.
Speaker 2: So I quit doing intermittent fasting.
Speaker 1: And now you know what they called him back then,
Speaker 1: rich scrunt.
Speaker 4: He did it when we all hunted. When he was
Speaker 4: intermittent fasting. It was at the first two years. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then so he wouldn't eat until now.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're intermittent fasting out here right now, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: but he wouldn't.
Speaker 4: We'd be hiking around the mountains and I'm, you know,
Speaker 4: taking snacks in as we get up these hills and mountains,
Speaker 4: and he wouldn't eat until noon or whatever. But then
Speaker 4: the second time we're flying back the second year, you
Speaker 4: ate breakfast. And it was the first time I'd ever
Speaker 4: seen me at the breakfast because when I moved down
Speaker 4: to Tennessee, he had been he's kind of in the
Speaker 4: middle of dinner mint fasting. So it was the first
Speaker 4: time I ever saw me at breakfast, and he never
Speaker 4: looked back, never looked back.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know, I don't know the answer
Speaker 2: to either of the you know.
Speaker 1: Like, but I I hardcore and barking attest Josh can too.
Speaker 1: For three years. I was very diligent to six days
Speaker 1: a week. It's very stringent inter minute fasting, like not
Speaker 1: eating until like four o'clock in the afternoon four and
Speaker 1: uh and and it it uh the web one of
Speaker 1: the one of the big influencers on Instagram. You'd know
Speaker 1: his name. He was on the Meteor podcast. He's the
Speaker 1: he's the guy that big into meat. He's a medical doctor. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed I can't remember his name. But I'd been
Speaker 1: intermittent fasting hardcore for three years and it helped keep
Speaker 1: me trim.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but man, I just I just noticed, like I
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I just felt like I was like, how.
Speaker 2: Long were you was your window? Were you doing like
Speaker 2: a four hour window?
Speaker 1: Like see, I would eat till like ten or something,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would do an eight, I'd do sixteen eight,
Speaker 3: so I'd start at noon, Yeah, eat till eight.
Speaker 1: Well, this guy told me I forgot his name, sorry
Speaker 1: brouh that he's like, hey, inter minute fasting, extreme inter
Speaker 1: minute fasting can mess with your testosterone, and I think
Speaker 1: it did.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I actually didn't get unfortunately, I wasn't able to get
Speaker 1: test tested, but uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mine went from like four or five ish to
Speaker 2: like seven eight.
Speaker 1: Wow, So it went up.
Speaker 2: It went up. Wow, that's a pretty good jump.
Speaker 3: Could have been I had a good sleep off season,
Speaker 3: could have been you know, number of things, you know.
Speaker 3: And honestly, when probably the one time when I got
Speaker 3: it early on had the blood panel, I think both
Speaker 3: of my kids, like I have three kids, ten, seven
Speaker 3: and six, and those the seven and six year old
Speaker 3: were probably.
Speaker 2: Like three and four, so they were not sleeping, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's like sleep has such a huge That's what
Speaker 3: I tell people when people are always like, what's the
Speaker 3: number one recovery thing, I'm like, sleep. If you can
Speaker 3: sleep seven eight hours a night, you'll see, like you
Speaker 3: will recover way better. I notice when I, you know,
Speaker 3: multiple days of sub seven hours starts to wear on
Speaker 3: me quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah. If I'm training and working out a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, par any more questions finale question you don't
Speaker 1: have to have one. Josh Scott, how many pounds.
Speaker 2: Is your bow? How many pounds? Eighty two?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, you are pulling the heavy bow. Yeah okay,
Speaker 1: yeah cool. Yeah, it's smoking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's fast, it's a elite ethos and it
Speaker 3: shoots pretty good. I'd really like I have a I
Speaker 3: have three pin the slider, but my pins are twenty
Speaker 3: or yeah, twenty five, forty and fifty, but that twenty
Speaker 3: five I can shoot at twenty and thirty within pretty
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's shooting quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 3: So I think it was like stock was like seventy
Speaker 3: five and I was shooting a white before that, and
Speaker 3: it was like an eighty two.
Speaker 2: And so I'm like, hey, guys, I need like I
Speaker 2: just need to feel that so good comes with the territory,
Speaker 2: you know, like expectations fit earth.
Speaker 1: You have to you know, like, yeah, I figured you're
Speaker 1: gonna be like I'm pulling fifty, come on, come on, man,
Speaker 1: I even with a bum rotator cut.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. Honestly, it's the the draw is fine
Speaker 3: on this left shoulder. It's the the pushing out that
Speaker 3: was bugging my should every every fall. When I would
Speaker 3: start shooting a bunch, this left shoulder would start to
Speaker 3: kill me. And then when I got done, I never
Speaker 3: got an MRI while I was competing because I didn't
Speaker 3: want to know, like you don't want to know. And
Speaker 3: so I went in and two of the four they
Speaker 3: call that out of sight, out of my great probably.
Speaker 2: Really it really is.
Speaker 3: And so after I competed, I was like, let me
Speaker 3: just see if I need to do something like and
Speaker 3: you know, the two of the four rotator cup muscles
Speaker 3: were torn or I had near full thickness tears, and
Speaker 3: one was like extreme tendinosis. And so you talk to
Speaker 3: a doctor and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got
Speaker 3: to cut on that. And then you talk to a
Speaker 3: PT and they're like, oh, we can pete that. So
Speaker 3: I went the PT route and it's i'd say ninety
Speaker 3: five percent better. But I just switched to left handed.
Speaker 3: I'm left eye dominant. I had a buddy his dad,
Speaker 3: when we were shooting rifles as a kid. I would
Speaker 3: shoulder it to my right shoulder and I'd try to
Speaker 3: look down with my left eye and he's like no, no,
Speaker 3: just slapped tape over my eye and made me walk
Speaker 3: around like that for the rest of the day, and
Speaker 3: so I can. I can close this right eye, but
Speaker 3: I'm way more comfor I can look with that right eye,
Speaker 3: but I'm way more comfortable with this left eye.
Speaker 2: So I feel way better and the same.
Speaker 3: I really wish I need to start practicing rifle left eye,
Speaker 3: because I think i'd be better too. I shoot a
Speaker 3: rifle left hand, I should right. I shoot a rifle
Speaker 3: right handed and a bow left handed.
Speaker 4: To you shot bow left handed when you killed the
Speaker 4: first ball?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Well, guys, really appreciate it. Appreciate it fun.
Speaker 1: We've got another basically day of hunting.
Speaker 2: We're gonna it's gonna happen, all right.
Speaker 1: Well, keep the wild place as wild because that's where
Speaker 1: the bears live.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you having us