WEBVTT - Ep. 288: Render - Deer Camp with Rich Froning, the World's Fittest Man 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.200 My name is Clay Neukleman. This is a production of 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:21.400 the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Rendered where 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.720 we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:31.280 of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f HF Gear, 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:36.520 American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.280 to be as rugged as the place as we explore. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:46.200 So you were you were a firefighter for four years? 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:47.800 Yep, I was a firefighter for four years. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:53.559 City of Cookville did this program, I guess basically a 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.440 scholarship where you worked as a full time firefighter. 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.800 They paid your tuition, and so I did that. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.680 After I came home from I went to play college baseball, 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.560 got up there, didn't like college baseball, had a you know, 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:07.759 a reason to come back home. So I came back 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:09.759 home and my dad was like, oh, it's too late 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.200 to transfer. You're gonna work in a factory assembling airbags 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:15.240 for six months. And that was miserable. So I decided 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:16.880 to go to school and the City of Cookville was 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.040 doing that student firefighter program. And I had a couple 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.600 uncles side and uncle that was a Detroit firefighter for 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.720 twenty years. There's a job, right if you watched that 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:29.959 documentary No Burn about the city of Detroit. This was 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.200 back in early two thousands. I guess where there was 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.240 this big you know, they light these houses on fire 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.920 in town and guys were getting hurt where nobody there. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.800 Was no real loss of value and real loss of life. 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.360 There's no lives in there, but guys were getting hurt 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.680 and it was they basically had stand down orders. It's 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.280 it's crazy because their equipment was you know, trash and 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:54.440 and run down and so yeah, it's called burn burn. 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:56.880 What did you get your degree in? Hold on? Let 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.680 me let me introduce, let me reduce our guests. This 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.800 is really frowning from Cookville, Tennessee. 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.560 Second appearance right first, Yeah, I call her second type. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:08.400 Yeah, you were on the Bear Grease Surrender when we 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:11.400 were in Tennessee at the at the media tell which 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.560 that film came out, which that film came out, which 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:21.560 as a unique meteor film. And uh, you're your cameraman. 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.720 Here man Scott and friend and friend you know, like 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.600 he gets attached to a friend to friend to Yep, 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:28.800 I guess you can as long as I. 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:29.640 Don't screw up the hunt. 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.160 Yeah, well that's what I was that's what I was thinking. 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.920 It's a very you know, it's it's dependent on his actions. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.480 Yeah, I would like to I would like to pull 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.919 the Bear Grease audience of how many people know who 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.480 Rich Froning is. Just raise your hand and if you're 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.360 in your car, if you knew who who Rich Fronie was, 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:51.240 see that hand. Apparently Rich is a big deal. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.440 I'm told he used to be. I'm told you know 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.040 formerly he's a retired. 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.480 Scott had to tell tell everybody everybody knows who Rich is. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.960 But if you were describing who you worked for, who 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.679 is Rich? Give give like the the the g version. 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:11.040 Four time fittest man on Earth, six times fittest team 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:17.359 on Earth. Uh, multiple business owner, father Christian. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:25.520 Husband's servant of christ husband at Hillary Froning and father 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.400 of three something like that. 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.320 Yep, Yeah, that's pretty good. It's bout all I got. 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.360 That's good man. Well, so we're in Oklahoma right now. 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.960 You might be you might have noticed that we're not 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.200 at the Bear Grease World the headquarters where we're in 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:46.920 Oklahoma with it's ain't no early January, and we're deer hunting. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.640 Weird deer hunting, that's what we would call it. I 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.320 guess over your shoulder there. 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.800 I'd say, we're deer hunt. Yeah, and we've we've had 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.880 a pretty we've had a good hunt so far. A 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:58.880 lot of actions, a lot of actions yet to be 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.480 determined on the full outcome of everybody. But Bear's been hunting. 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:04.840 Rich has been hunting. I've been hut. I killed this 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.920 buck yesterday? Is it right there? 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.720 Other side? No? Right, you're right, yep, yep, you're good. 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.760 Over there, Yeah, this way to the Yeah, we're both hunting. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:21.640 The Oklahoma season last till January fifteenth, and man, I like. 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.479 Okay, that's cool, that's up. Man, I've really enjoyed Oklahoma. Yeah, 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:25.120 it's been fun. 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:29.320 Oklahoma raised their non resident tags like exponentially this year. 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:30.960 I noticed, like. 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:35.560 Double tag, like, hey, as they should, right, Yeah, I'm okay. 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.400 With keep the foreigners out, keep us out, keep the 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:38.680 trash out. Yeah. 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.320 I saw you can do a lifetime non resident license, though, 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.279 so I have a I have a non resident Tennessee license. 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.039 And I don't know if that's just because you have 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.240 to buy a hunting like a qualifying license then you 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.279 buy your deer tags or deer license separate. But I 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.440 noticed on there that there was an Oklahoma non resident 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:57.719 lifetime license. 0:04:57.960 --> 0:04:59.680 Well, I don't know what that is. I don't think 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:00.800 you can those anymore. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:02.480 Okay, I thought I saw it on there when I 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:03.120 was going through it. 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.880 But well, as I understand that they used to sell those, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.640 but they don't sell them anymore. But I don't I 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:12.680 don't know what you would have seen, though. I saw 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.479 it because in the regulation, like there's some group of 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.760 group of people that have a non resident lifetime license. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.360 Because when I was a kid, we could have bought that. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.520 We lived close to Oklahoma and my dad. I remember 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.040 my dad telling me, like when I was like ten, 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.800 he was like, they thought about getting us a non 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:32.120 resident Oklahoma license. Yeah, just because we could. 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:32.760 You could, you might as well. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:34.880 I mean, I've got one in Tennessee and all my 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.560 kids have them, and theirs was exponentially cheaper, right doing 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:40.760 it when they were, you know, sub five years old 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.880 versus me at whatever, I was thirty years old, yeah, 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:45.040 twenty five, twenty six. 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:45.599 Yeah. 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:46.320 Yeah. 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:50.080 So we're bo hunting and then bears doing a little trapping. Yep, 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:51.880 how many traps she got out right now? I think 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.560 I've got six out right now? Yo, traps. 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.680 We've got like a gang set in a cluster of 0:05:57.680 --> 0:05:58.440 per symmetries. 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:00.840 We put like a camera up expecting. 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.279 To see deer and hogs, right, but we ended up 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.200 getting a group of yodies coming in there more than anything. 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.000 So we set up four or five in there. That 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.080 was just a couple on the roads. I just had 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:13.520 to ditch my contact. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:16.280 Yeah, it was pretty well. 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:19.000 It just I think it just like went bad, just 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:20.280 like that, you know how they. 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:21.200 Do try up. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.839 So we found this patch of per simmons, probably like 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.880 twenty five trees and you know, like a ten square 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.400 yard area like trees like this big, and a month 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:39.280 ago it was loaded, I mean just loaded with per Simmons, thousands, 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.280 one hundred thousands, I don't know. Big lips were just 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:46.279 like leaning off these trees and big per Simmons, I thought. 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:50.320 And there was hog tracks and deer tracks under all this, 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:52.760 and so we put up a camera and left it there, 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:57.039 and to our surprise, more than deer and more than hogs, 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.080 the coyotes were coming in there per Simmons, which actually he. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.160 Explains a lot because like you know, sometimes you're walking 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:03.599 in the woods and you see like a pile of 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.039 scats that's like too big to be a coon, but 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:07.560 too small to be a bear. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.680 But it's got per Simmons in it. Yeah, since yodies. 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:15.840 Yeah yeah, I thought, I mean, so he's We've were 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:19.600 setting some traps in there, and uh it was so 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.280 last night I was able to check my phone because 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.840 we put a camera up watching the Percimon thicket with 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:30.280 our traps out, and I know for sure two kylots 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.760 came in there and spooked, but we were beating around 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.640 so much left a lot of scent, Like tonight will 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.880 be better because you know, we're not he he's going 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.120 to check it, but we's not. He's not going to 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:43.560 go in there and set traps, you know. 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:44.000 Yeah. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.800 But uh so a lot of a lot of hogs 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:51.960 over here too, A ton of hogs, mystery hogs. Yeah, 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.880 what's interesting if you were just a walk around this place, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:57.240 I mean there's hog tracks everywhere. 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.600 That is that right where every time we're walking around. 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:00.960 I mean, if you just get out of your truck 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:02.000 and are random and you could. 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.480 Just tell what they're nosing through and just ruin in 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.680 the ground. A lot of rooting, a lot of rooting. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.559 You would think that hunting over here for three days 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:13.480 that you'd see hogs every time you sat. But we 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.920 have had cameras up for two months over here, and 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:21.360 I've got daylight pictures of hogs, probably less than five times, 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.480 but they're but they're in front of my cameras every day, 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.920 Like I don't know where they go. You know, when 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:34.040 when uh, when Europeans first came to North America, they 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:39.559 thought that the bears, some people did thought that bears 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:43.400 migrated because they were just gone, like in the winter time, 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.120 like their bears all over the place, and then you 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:50.040 know about November, they were just gone and they thought 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.640 they were like Mallard ducks, like, well, they must have 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:58.000 went somewhere. I'm pretty sure that these these hogs migrated 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.760 out of here during the day daily. Migro, Yeah, like 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.000 over that mountain. I mean, I don't know. Maybe the 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.080 guys over on that side and they're like, dude, we 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.520 got hogs during the daylight, but we can't get a 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:08.720 nighttime hog picture. 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:10.120 You know, isn't there a gap out here? 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.120 A gap? There's a gap right here, probably a major 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.199 hog migration cor gap there. 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.640 That's what we call that hogs gap there. It is 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:19.960 hogs gap there it is. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.680 That's it. Now, this is a fun place to hunt. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.240 Oh, it's awesome. It's been really cool. 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.079 And even you know, we're we're out what you say, 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.640 about three miles ish and even that's just cool to 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.560 drive through. And it's it's been you know, mining Scott's 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.839 commute every morning and afternoon. Is I mean we saw 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.200 deer when we were driving in back in last night, 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:39.280 crossing in front of us. 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:40.839 So yeah. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:45.160 And then four free range wild steers, one with a 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:45.920 bum leg. Yeah. 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.040 So this is a this is a working cattle ranch, 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.760 and so they had they've they've got some stragglers out here. 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:55.720 We're cursed with with cattle when we're hunting. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.560 We uh, when we would go out west the first 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.040 couple of times of Colorado, we'd be out in the 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.400 middle of the National Forest and you'd oh, here here, 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.640 here comes something walking through the woods and all of 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.840 a sudden, just a beef cow, you know, because farmers 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:11.439 can lease the property. But I'm like, we're ten thousand 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:16.280 feet it's like not a cliff, but it's steep, sure enough, 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:17.480 just a mookw. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:18.640 You're not in a good place for a beef cow 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:18.880 to be. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:20.720 No, no, so. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.640 I hunted some spots where you can't lease, like you know, 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.679 there's no free range cattle, but you'll still see cows. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:29.720 Like every now and then there will be just like 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.880 a herd of cows out on the road or something 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:32.520 that got loose. 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:34.200 Maybe they're like wild horses. 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:40.760 Yeah, now i'd shoot one though, you know, National forest one, 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.760 National forest cow. Rich tell me about So you got 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.600 got into hunting. I mean you grew up doing some hunting, 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.120 but you kind of like got into hunting big, like 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:52.560 seven eight years ago. 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.240 Yes, yeah, so I grew up in a hunting family 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.719 from from Michigan. Originally moved to Tennessee when I was 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:04.920 forced Tennessee's home. Oh, we actually have more than Michiganders 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.400 on this podcast. Well technically, so brought before the podcast. 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.079 We brought up a very interesting point. 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.160 So Rich moved from Michigan when he was four years 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.120 old years old, and I told him, I said, Rich, 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.920 if you moved to the South before you're five, like 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.760 you're not technically you get a pass. Yeah, you kind 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:23.840 of you kind of acclimate. But if you move to 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.160 the South when you're like Scott or ten Scott's yeah, 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:28.600 I mean, like like this guy. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.240 He'll never get it out of his system. I'm I was, 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.000 it's gone. You know, there's not much left. 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.160 I moved to the South when I was four too. Okay, yep, 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:35.600 So we're we're good. What year? 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.520 What how do you I'm getting ready to I'll be 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.320 forty nine. I was born in seventy six. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:44.200 How old are you? Thirty seven thirty seven? Just kids, babies? 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:46.679 So so so you're you're you're good. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:47.480 I'm good, all right. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.480 But we've got I mean three Michiganders here. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.400 For me, Tennessee is home, right, so like it's that's 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:54.480 that's home for me. Oh my family, Like I've got 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.400 some extended family cousins and aunts and uncles that live 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:58.199 in Michigan. 0:11:57.880 --> 0:11:58.720 But Tennessee's home. 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.400 So but both places are you know, they're whitetail country really, 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:07.280 you know, there's our houses. When rifle season opens, there's 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.560 orange in the woods everywhere. So I had uncles at 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.160 hunted and so I was around it and did some 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.120 of it, but I was super impatient, and I didn't 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:17.880 like getting up early, so I didn't hunt a ton 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.280 and you know, sports and all that, and so I 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:27.200 would say around two thousand and fourteen or fifteen, had 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.199 a good friend of mine. His dad was like, man, 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.160 white tail hunting sucks, Come hunt turkeys. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:33.840 And I was like, all right, I'll give it a shot. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.120 And fell in love. And you know, because I was 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:40.320 always outside like my parents. If we were inside and 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.679 we couldn't find something to do outside, they were going 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.280 to find us something to do outside. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.319 So you know, hey, go get lost in the woods. 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:48.960 So we were out in the woods with BB guns 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:53.360 and you know, doing dumb stuff that boys doing the woods. 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.160 But I wasn't ever really hunting, but I grew up 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.640 in the woods and so to me, it really just 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.840 feels like doing that again and a kid again. And 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:07.439 so started with turkeys, and then through that I had 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.360 a friend that was like, hey, if you like turkey hunt, 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.280 you should try elk hunting. So I went on an 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.560 elk hunt in two thousand and eighteen, I think was 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:18.920 my first one, okay, and didn't see an elk on 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.920 a guided rifle hunt, but fell in love. Didn't see 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.960 one single elk, hurt a bugle as soon as we 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.920 stepped out of the truck on the first morning, and 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:34.360 then never saw one again. And so but fell in love. 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.160 I mean, we think My guide was awesome. He taught 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:38.840 me a ton and we went after him and you 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:40.320 could just tell by the end of the week he 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.839 was he was a little bit distraught. He was like, man, 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.079 this is the hardest I've ever hunted with somebody, because 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.240 I was willing to go any and everywhere. We actually 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.520 put my other friend Matt in. Basically he got to 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.199 the point where he thought he needed to go to 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.880 the hospital that we'd walked that much, like, seriously, wouldn't 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.360 He didn't hunt the next morning one day because he 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:01.160 thought he had rabdo, which is like where your muscle 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.400 tissue breaks down, and like he was messed rabo. 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.080 It's called rabdo. My lisis. 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.959 Yeah, So basically, you if you it happens a lot 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:13.600 in in like car accident victims, but also if you 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.080 work out with too much intensity and then some people 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.920 are genetically predisposed to it. But your muscle tissue will 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.760 actually break down and go into your bloodstream and go 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.080 to your kidneys, and so people it's. 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:24.400 A big thing. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.960 Early on in CrossFit, people had you know, they were 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:28.720 they saw that happening. 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.800 But it's kind of like people have kind of figured. 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.720 That out that hey, maybe we shouldn't push people so 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.400 hard right right off the couch, you know. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.880 Wow, So y'all y'all hunted that hard. 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.520 Yeah, thought he was dead. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.760 So and then you know, for the next three years 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.800 we did over the counter, public land, elk hunting man 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:50.680 and it was we ground. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.680 We we hit the ground hard, and then we f. 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:57.680 In the fitness like you were when you hit the 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.560 mountains where you I mean, I know, oh you were 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:05.040 like fully capable, but did you I mean was it hard? 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:05.360 Oh? 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:06.880 I mean yeah, I mean I think it's as hard 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:08.440 as you want to make it right, you know, like 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.640 we I mean when we go like, that's just the 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.440 style too, that we were doing it and we were 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.120 so new to it. I didn't know what, you know, 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.280 We're like, oh, we just got a cover ground to 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.840 find him right on public land. We were huffing it man. 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:28.800 We I was beyond prepared, I feel like, and so yeah, yeah, 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:30.440 I mean I don't think there was any I don't 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.680 think we ever had really any learning curve other than like, 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:33.720 were you with. 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.400 Him when he was first out cutting Scott? 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:39.600 Yeah, so all the public land stuff I did, Oh Scott, 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.880 well for context too, about you being prepared the you 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.240 were still he was still competing in crossfits, so the 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.520 season would end in August. Yeah, so he was at 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.920 his fittest he will be the entire year in August, 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.120 and then a couple weeks later we were on the mountain. 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.880 So he was ready to go. But he can only 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.360 be as fast and go as far as his camera. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.240 That's true if you're filming, that's true. 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:05.080 And I with Scott, I've I've never once questioned, oh, 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:05.800 should we do this? 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.200 Like me and him just we talked about it. We've 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:08.800 talked about it. 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.680 We've we've both kind of, I guess grown in hunting 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.320 as a team, almost as weird as that sounds. And 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.240 like as much as you know, I'm the one taking 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.000 the shot, he's getting a shot with the camera. So 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.280 it's like we bounce ideas off of each other and 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.200 we both kind of we've we've messed it up together 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.600 and we've we've succeeded together. So it's kind of cool 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.600 that we we kind of joke with our wives like 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:33.600 we'll send a picture of us actually hunting that we're 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.560 not just like disappearing off you know, like yeah, right, 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.520 just hanging out. So but yeah, it's been it's been 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:43.000 really cool because for me, you know, like when I 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.800 think of hunting, you know, like when people do these 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:50.520 like long, individual like solo hunts, Like, no part of 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:51.800 me does that sound like fun. 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:53.280 Like I like hanging. 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.040 Even if it's you know, even if we're just here 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.560 at camp and we go one way, you go another way, 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.200 and we all come back to there's just something about 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:03.560 that comrade that like team aspect to it. Me growing 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.920 up playing team sports man. I just I just really 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.239 enjoy it. It really is a primal thing, it really is. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.920 It just feels right, right connection. Yeah, I like it. 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:12.320 Yeah. 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:18.359 Well luckily you're bunched up with one good hunter. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:19.200 Yeah that's right. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:25.000 Soon Yeah, yeah, I mean we can talk about it. 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:25.280 Yeah. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.320 I last night, me and Scott had one come in, 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.560 come in the way that we wouldn't think he would 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.840 come in. I mean, but it's it's a it's a 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:36.680 good learning, you know, like I'm early on my white 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:41.840 tail experience and you know, I've I think we talked 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.480 about it. You're like, hey, you know, the farther that 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.800 shot gets, the less, you know, I feel super comfortable 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:49.720 taking a far shot because we do a lot of 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:54.320 those tacks and stuff like that I shoot every day, Yeah, 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.800 pretty much every day, starting well now that I've shot 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.199 pretty much every day for a year. But anyway, it 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:05.160 uh like I'm super comfortable in those situations. Deer comes 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:09.160 behind us, Scott's like, oh here comes some doze. Oh 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:13.240 little buck. He's not a shooter, Scott and so and 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.720 so I'm faced this way. Yeah, we're in saddles. We're 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.719 in saddles. And I turn and I'm like, that's that's 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.639 definitely a shooter. 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:24.400 So I'm just slowly grab my bow. 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:25.520 So I've got my hand on my bow and I 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.480 get it off my the little hook I've got, and 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.399 i just turn. And so he's kind of still coming, 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.640 and he stops, and our wind is kind of going 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:36.480 not to him, but in front of him, and so 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.280 I'm like, I've got to make a decision pretty quick. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.679 But he starts doing the stomp and just looking. He 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.480 does not like the situation. And I'm trying to turn, 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:45.840 and as I'm turning, my heart's like pounding out of 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:49.520 my chest right and so as I'm turning, I'm putting 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.639 so much pressure somehow on an artery somewhere that I'm 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:54.800 starting to get lightheaded because I'm in the saddle right, 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.480 your neck is about to twist seriously and so like 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.280 I'm like, everything's closing in. So I'm like, all right, 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.360 I can't do that, so I'm waiting here. So then 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.440 he turns and I'd ranged a bunch of trees and 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.959 luckily having you know, we've shot a bunch not cold, 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.720 but like guessing at distances just to see, and he 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.520