WEBVTT - Jack Devine, Arkin Group President Talks US Security

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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<v Speaker 2>Check Divine with thirty two years with a central intelligence agency.

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<v Speaker 2>He's written about it more on an international perspective and

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<v Speaker 2>joins us this morning, Jack Connor, that you're with us.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a global CIA perspective. Does the FBI have

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<v Speaker 2>the same acuity looking for the bad guys of terror

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<v Speaker 2>in America that you had abroad?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a great question. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>anyone knows the answer. But the FBI is really very

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<v Speaker 1>strong at home. I mean their ability to penetrate groups

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<v Speaker 1>and collect information, use their powers and authority. When they

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<v Speaker 1>leave the United States, then they're just like anyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very hard to do things in an over way.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think we're much stronger, and I think our

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<v Speaker 1>ability to have sources everywhere, and I think things that

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<v Speaker 1>very much between the FBI and the CI, So it's

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<v Speaker 1>not as if it's all compartment.

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<v Speaker 2>In my book of the year, at least a decade ago,

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<v Speaker 2>Garrett Graf, we're efforting mister graph for this conversation and

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI, Jeck Divine, Does the CIA and the FBA

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<v Speaker 2>do they coalesce information daily to try to find bad

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<v Speaker 2>guys like the guy in New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it goes twenty four to seven.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Now, the problem in this case is they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even have criminal records, right, so you don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's a big, big it's ocean full of fish,

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<v Speaker 3>if you will. So, but their abilities and the speed

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<v Speaker 3>with which we.

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<v Speaker 1>Cover information and you know, AI in general is mind

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<v Speaker 1>blowing when you start to look at it. So the

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<v Speaker 1>capabilities are rich, but it's the verbial needle in the haystack, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So all those that are sort of institutionalized, really organized

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<v Speaker 1>by isis, they probably.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a really good fix on that.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you get to those that are inspired, how

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<v Speaker 1>it could be anybody on a mountaintop, it gets inspired

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<v Speaker 1>and it's really hard. But I think we're really in

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<v Speaker 1>a much stronger position than we are to say at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of nine to eleven, no comparison.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, Jack, President elect Trump will be sworn in January twentieth,

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<v Speaker 4>presumably shortly there after he'll receive his first CIA briefing.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think the CIA is going to present

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<v Speaker 4>him in terms of priorities.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he's been in the office before, right, so he

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<v Speaker 1>knows the drill. He knows the capabilities. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to sit down and say, let me explain that this

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<v Speaker 1>is the presidential's daily brief. This is hell's collected. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think first day of a walk in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually the president will be brief substantially before he's sworn in,

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<v Speaker 1>and it'll be closing gaps and filling in the new information.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know it's not only being present.

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<v Speaker 1>Next thing, you know, he can turn around, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a terrists and incident, and they almost are always required

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<v Speaker 1>instantaneous information, new information. So my guess is they'll be

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<v Speaker 1>bringing him the latest news that was on the major

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<v Speaker 1>issues around the world that happened the night before. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're right up the speed to the moment. Probably a

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<v Speaker 1>long session and probably more than one briefer.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Divine, three days of a condor is what we

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<v Speaker 2>were weaned on. Sydney Pollock, the giant, what an honor

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<v Speaker 2>to make his acquaintance. Three days of a condor was

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<v Speaker 2>what we were weaned on. And there's all the modern

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<v Speaker 2>CIA movies starting with a lot of techno whiz bang.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think when you watch the modern CIA movies?

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<v Speaker 2>What does Jack Divine think of those movies?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I once had a conversation with Sean Connery about it. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I made a mistake though, I mentioned the queen and

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<v Speaker 1>he told me immediately why I'm a monarchist. But besides that,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about and I said, you know, for years

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<v Speaker 1>I diminished the importance of the movies, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>realized everybody's thought the CIA people were nippoted, were dashing

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<v Speaker 1>in handsome, and you know that's not the case. But

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<v Speaker 1>my point is one of the things that I think

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<v Speaker 1>that are really interesting is many of the movies are

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<v Speaker 1>a few years ahead, like the one Jason.

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<v Speaker 3>Jason Bourne Man, Yeah and Burn.

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<v Speaker 1>The technology was there, but it wasn't integrated right, But

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<v Speaker 1>when it was revisited Jason Bourne, the material would be integrated.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot to learn from the technology. They

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<v Speaker 3>bring in a lot of advisors.

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<v Speaker 1>So television, it depends on the type and the quality

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<v Speaker 1>of the program. The good ones, really, particularly on technology,

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<v Speaker 1>are good. It's the romantic part, and it's the CIA

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<v Speaker 1>is bumping off people without all that jump Hollywood jump.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you look at it just core pieces of

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<v Speaker 1>how things are done, it's pretty close.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeck Divine, don't be a stranger, Thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for your public service to the nation. To

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<v Speaker 2>the nation, mister Divine out with a number of books,