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Speaker 2: Check Divine with thirty two years with a central intelligence agency.
Speaker 2: He's written about it more on an international perspective and
Speaker 2: joins us this morning, Jack Connor, that you're with us.
Speaker 2: You have a global CIA perspective. Does the FBI have
Speaker 2: the same acuity looking for the bad guys of terror
Speaker 2: in America that you had abroad?
Speaker 1: I think that's a great question. I don't know if
Speaker 1: anyone knows the answer. But the FBI is really very
Speaker 1: strong at home. I mean their ability to penetrate groups
Speaker 1: and collect information, use their powers and authority. When they
Speaker 1: leave the United States, then they're just like anyone else.
Speaker 1: It's very hard to do things in an over way.
Speaker 1: So I think we're much stronger, and I think our
Speaker 1: ability to have sources everywhere, and I think things that
Speaker 1: very much between the FBI and the CI, So it's
Speaker 1: not as if it's all compartment.
Speaker 2: In my book of the year, at least a decade ago,
Speaker 2: Garrett Graf, we're efforting mister graph for this conversation and
Speaker 2: the FBI, Jeck Divine, Does the CIA and the FBA
Speaker 2: do they coalesce information daily to try to find bad
Speaker 2: guys like the guy in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: I think it goes twenty four to seven.
Speaker 1: All right, Now, the problem in this case is they
Speaker 1: didn't even have criminal records, right, so you don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a big, big it's ocean full of fish,
Speaker 3: if you will. So, but their abilities and the speed
Speaker 3: with which we.
Speaker 1: Cover information and you know, AI in general is mind
Speaker 1: blowing when you start to look at it. So the
Speaker 1: capabilities are rich, but it's the verbial needle in the haystack, right.
Speaker 1: So all those that are sort of institutionalized, really organized
Speaker 1: by isis, they probably.
Speaker 3: Have a really good fix on that.
Speaker 1: But when you get to those that are inspired, how
Speaker 1: it could be anybody on a mountaintop, it gets inspired
Speaker 1: and it's really hard. But I think we're really in
Speaker 1: a much stronger position than we are to say at
Speaker 1: the time of nine to eleven, no comparison.
Speaker 4: Hey, Jack, President elect Trump will be sworn in January twentieth,
Speaker 4: presumably shortly there after he'll receive his first CIA briefing.
Speaker 4: What do you think the CIA is going to present
Speaker 4: him in terms of priorities.
Speaker 1: Well, he's been in the office before, right, so he
Speaker 1: knows the drill. He knows the capabilities. You don't have
Speaker 1: to sit down and say, let me explain that this
Speaker 1: is the presidential's daily brief. This is hell's collected. So
Speaker 1: I think first day of a walk in the room.
Speaker 1: Actually the president will be brief substantially before he's sworn in,
Speaker 1: and it'll be closing gaps and filling in the new information.
Speaker 3: But you know it's not only being present.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, he can turn around, you have
Speaker 1: a terrists and incident, and they almost are always required
Speaker 1: instantaneous information, new information. So my guess is they'll be
Speaker 1: bringing him the latest news that was on the major
Speaker 1: issues around the world that happened the night before. So
Speaker 1: you're right up the speed to the moment. Probably a
Speaker 1: long session and probably more than one briefer.
Speaker 2: Jack Divine, three days of a condor is what we
Speaker 2: were weaned on. Sydney Pollock, the giant, what an honor
Speaker 2: to make his acquaintance. Three days of a condor was
Speaker 2: what we were weaned on. And there's all the modern
Speaker 2: CIA movies starting with a lot of techno whiz bang.
Speaker 2: What do you think when you watch the modern CIA movies?
Speaker 2: What does Jack Divine think of those movies?
Speaker 1: Well, I once had a conversation with Sean Connery about it. Right,
Speaker 1: I made a mistake though, I mentioned the queen and
Speaker 1: he told me immediately why I'm a monarchist. But besides that,
Speaker 1: we talked about and I said, you know, for years
Speaker 1: I diminished the importance of the movies, and then I
Speaker 1: realized everybody's thought the CIA people were nippoted, were dashing
Speaker 1: in handsome, and you know that's not the case. But
Speaker 1: my point is one of the things that I think
Speaker 1: that are really interesting is many of the movies are
Speaker 1: a few years ahead, like the one Jason.
Speaker 3: Jason Bourne Man, Yeah and Burn.
Speaker 1: The technology was there, but it wasn't integrated right, But
Speaker 1: when it was revisited Jason Bourne, the material would be integrated.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot to learn from the technology. They
Speaker 3: bring in a lot of advisors.
Speaker 1: So television, it depends on the type and the quality
Speaker 1: of the program. The good ones, really, particularly on technology,
Speaker 1: are good. It's the romantic part, and it's the CIA
Speaker 1: is bumping off people without all that jump Hollywood jump.
Speaker 1: But if you look at it just core pieces of
Speaker 1: how things are done, it's pretty close.
Speaker 2: Jeck Divine, don't be a stranger, Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: thank you for your public service to the nation. To
Speaker 2: the nation, mister Divine out with a number of books,