1
00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:07,040
Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

2
00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,960
Speaker 2: Check Divine with thirty two years with a central intelligence agency.

3
00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,480
Speaker 2: He's written about it more on an international perspective and

4
00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,920
Speaker 2: joins us this morning, Jack Connor, that you're with us.

5
00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,880
Speaker 2: You have a global CIA perspective. Does the FBI have

6
00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,320
Speaker 2: the same acuity looking for the bad guys of terror

7
00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,080
Speaker 2: in America that you had abroad?

8
00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,720
Speaker 1: I think that's a great question. I don't know if

9
00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,040
Speaker 1: anyone knows the answer. But the FBI is really very

10
00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,040
Speaker 1: strong at home. I mean their ability to penetrate groups

11
00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,760
Speaker 1: and collect information, use their powers and authority. When they

12
00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,160
Speaker 1: leave the United States, then they're just like anyone else.

13
00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,320
Speaker 1: It's very hard to do things in an over way.

14
00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,639
Speaker 1: So I think we're much stronger, and I think our

15
00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,720
Speaker 1: ability to have sources everywhere, and I think things that

16
00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,160
Speaker 1: very much between the FBI and the CI, So it's

17
00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,120
Speaker 1: not as if it's all compartment.

18
00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,160
Speaker 2: In my book of the year, at least a decade ago,

19
00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:08,360
Speaker 2: Garrett Graf, we're efforting mister graph for this conversation and

20
00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,080
Speaker 2: the FBI, Jeck Divine, Does the CIA and the FBA

21
00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,479
Speaker 2: do they coalesce information daily to try to find bad

22
00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,320
Speaker 2: guys like the guy in New Orleans.

23
00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:21,800
Speaker 3: I think it goes twenty four to seven.

24
00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,520
Speaker 1: All right, Now, the problem in this case is they

25
00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,840
Speaker 1: didn't even have criminal records, right, so you don't know.

26
00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,840
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a big, big it's ocean full of fish,

27
00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,000
Speaker 3: if you will. So, but their abilities and the speed

28
00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:34,759
Speaker 3: with which we.

29
00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,600
Speaker 1: Cover information and you know, AI in general is mind

30
00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,360
Speaker 1: blowing when you start to look at it. So the

31
00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:45,680
Speaker 1: capabilities are rich, but it's the verbial needle in the haystack, right.

32
00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,680
Speaker 1: So all those that are sort of institutionalized, really organized

33
00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,160
Speaker 1: by isis, they probably.

34
00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,000
Speaker 3: Have a really good fix on that.

35
00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,520
Speaker 1: But when you get to those that are inspired, how

36
00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,960
Speaker 1: it could be anybody on a mountaintop, it gets inspired

37
00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,200
Speaker 1: and it's really hard. But I think we're really in

38
00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,240
Speaker 1: a much stronger position than we are to say at

39
00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,560
Speaker 1: the time of nine to eleven, no comparison.

40
00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,280
Speaker 4: Hey, Jack, President elect Trump will be sworn in January twentieth,

41
00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,760
Speaker 4: presumably shortly there after he'll receive his first CIA briefing.

42
00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,839
Speaker 4: What do you think the CIA is going to present

43
00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,760
Speaker 4: him in terms of priorities.

44
00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,920
Speaker 1: Well, he's been in the office before, right, so he

45
00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,440
Speaker 1: knows the drill. He knows the capabilities. You don't have

46
00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,280
Speaker 1: to sit down and say, let me explain that this

47
00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,760
Speaker 1: is the presidential's daily brief. This is hell's collected. So

48
00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,079
Speaker 1: I think first day of a walk in the room.

49
00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,760
Speaker 1: Actually the president will be brief substantially before he's sworn in,

50
00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,400
Speaker 1: and it'll be closing gaps and filling in the new information.

51
00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,120
Speaker 3: But you know it's not only being present.

52
00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,480
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, he can turn around, you have

53
00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,960
Speaker 1: a terrists and incident, and they almost are always required

54
00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,760
Speaker 1: instantaneous information, new information. So my guess is they'll be

55
00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,919
Speaker 1: bringing him the latest news that was on the major

56
00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,800
Speaker 1: issues around the world that happened the night before. So

57
00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,640
Speaker 1: you're right up the speed to the moment. Probably a

58
00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,080
Speaker 1: long session and probably more than one briefer.

59
00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,720
Speaker 2: Jack Divine, three days of a condor is what we

60
00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,080
Speaker 2: were weaned on. Sydney Pollock, the giant, what an honor

61
00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,480
Speaker 2: to make his acquaintance. Three days of a condor was

62
00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,160
Speaker 2: what we were weaned on. And there's all the modern

63
00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,400
Speaker 2: CIA movies starting with a lot of techno whiz bang.

64
00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,120
Speaker 2: What do you think when you watch the modern CIA movies?

65
00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,720
Speaker 2: What does Jack Divine think of those movies?

66
00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,880
Speaker 1: Well, I once had a conversation with Sean Connery about it. Right,

67
00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,840
Speaker 1: I made a mistake though, I mentioned the queen and

68
00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,240
Speaker 1: he told me immediately why I'm a monarchist. But besides that,

69
00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,200
Speaker 1: we talked about and I said, you know, for years

70
00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,720
Speaker 1: I diminished the importance of the movies, and then I

71
00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,840
Speaker 1: realized everybody's thought the CIA people were nippoted, were dashing

72
00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,480
Speaker 1: in handsome, and you know that's not the case. But

73
00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,080
Speaker 1: my point is one of the things that I think

74
00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,120
Speaker 1: that are really interesting is many of the movies are

75
00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,360
Speaker 1: a few years ahead, like the one Jason.

76
00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,040
Speaker 3: Jason Bourne Man, Yeah and Burn.

77
00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,280
Speaker 1: The technology was there, but it wasn't integrated right, But

78
00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,560
Speaker 1: when it was revisited Jason Bourne, the material would be integrated.

79
00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,440
Speaker 3: So there's a lot to learn from the technology. They

80
00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:14,680
Speaker 3: bring in a lot of advisors.

81
00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,520
Speaker 1: So television, it depends on the type and the quality

82
00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,320
Speaker 1: of the program. The good ones, really, particularly on technology,

83
00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,839
Speaker 1: are good. It's the romantic part, and it's the CIA

84
00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,000
Speaker 1: is bumping off people without all that jump Hollywood jump.

85
00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,839
Speaker 1: But if you look at it just core pieces of

86
00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,599
Speaker 1: how things are done, it's pretty close.

87
00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,240
Speaker 2: Jeck Divine, don't be a stranger, Thank you so much,

88
00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,000
Speaker 2: thank you for your public service to the nation. To

89
00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,159
Speaker 2: the nation, mister Divine out with a number of books,