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Speaker 1: The United States is in such turmoil. The entire world

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Speaker 1: is how do you restore a nation? And is the

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Speaker 1: explosion of faith we're seeing among young people. A leading indicator, podcaster,

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Speaker 1: author Taylor Marshall joins me on this Arroyo Grande. Come on,

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Speaker 1: of philosophy, a former Episcopal priest and a podcaster extraordinary

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Speaker 1: as well as an author, and he has a new book,

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Speaker 1: Christian Patriot Twelve Ways to Create One Nation under God.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Taylor Marshall is here. Taylor, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with Charlie Kirk's assassination. I know

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Speaker 1: you knew Charlie. I was struck talking to students about

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Speaker 1: the effect this is having on them. For young people,

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Speaker 1: this is really an RFK MLK moment for them. He

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Speaker 1: was a huge cultural force and a touchstone in their lives.

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Speaker 1: What do you think this tragedy represents and where do

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Speaker 1: we as a country go from here.

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Speaker 2: Well, I knew Charlie. And the great thing about Charlie

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Speaker 2: is he was a real, genuine, friendly young man, but

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Speaker 2: he was a political leader who put Christ first. If

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Speaker 2: you listen to any of his debates, any of his speeches,

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Speaker 2: he's constantly talking about Jesus Christ and you young people,

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Speaker 2: the importance of the family. And his message was I think,

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Speaker 2: in many ways different than a lot of the voices

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Speaker 2: on the right. He was the emerging young class of

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Speaker 2: influencers who see that being conservative and more and more

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Speaker 2: conservative is not enough. That Jesus Christ needs to be

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Speaker 2: at the center of our lives and the center of

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Speaker 2: our movement. And I think that's one of the reasons

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Speaker 2: why he captured the heart of so many people, especially

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Speaker 2: the young people, is he was transitioning the conversation towards

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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, and that's his legacy. And it's just so

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Speaker 2: sad to see it cut off so soon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this shooter that took Charlie's life was obviously radicalized

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Speaker 1: in some way. Talk to me about the dangers really

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Speaker 1: of having these devices on your person that not only

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Speaker 1: delivers Taylor pernicious ideas and agendas, but then it regurgitates

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Speaker 2: It's the phones, certainly, and it's also I think our

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Speaker 2: education system. I think those are the one two punches.

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Speaker 2: You know, so many parents think, I'll just send my

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Speaker 2: them this unlocked iPhone. And there is so much garbage.

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Speaker 2: It's just toxic waste that's flowing through these phones. You're

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Speaker 2: not careful with these phones. We really like gab phones

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Speaker 2: for our younger children to kind of log down and

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Speaker 2: a little bit more secure. But also we got to

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Speaker 2: talk about education. This perpetrator seems to have come from

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Speaker 2: an intact family. I don't know much about them. We're

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Speaker 2: that's a conversation we need to have as a nation.

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Speaker 2: And Charlie Kirk to go back to him. He was

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Speaker 1: Well, I agree that it's all of this. Certainly, Charlie

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Speaker 1: But they knew im principally because of the TikTok posts

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Speaker 1: skirmishes if you well, where Charlie was engaging. The issues

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Speaker 1: was doing an a tight, pithy way, you know. Marshall

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Speaker 1: mccluhan said, the electronic universe, and he was the guy

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Speaker 1: Is it, Taylor Marshall?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of the conversation you know about

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Speaker 2: same with AI. You know, like with guns. You know,

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, Charlie, I think had the notion and

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Speaker 1: Tell me, and there's a good segue, I guess to

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Speaker 1: between Taylor a Christian nationalist, which we hear so much about.

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Speaker 1: You see the New York Times and the Atlantic Magazine

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked that question because Christian nationalism is

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Speaker 2: many of the things that they are saying. They're basically saying,

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Speaker 2: thousand year treasury of Catholic political philosophy, natural law, sant Augustin,

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Speaker 2: Thomas Aquinas. We have so much more there. And so

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Speaker 2: the right title. So we came up with Christian Patriot.

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Speaker 2: this conversation in a more Catholic, a more Tonistic discussion.

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Speaker 2: And the Christian nationalists are using the word nationalists. Now

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Speaker 2: And I want this book to change the discussion and

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Speaker 1: Taylor, you begin the book with the culture war and

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Speaker 1: And where did things start going wrong in this cultural skirmish?

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Speaker 2: I mean there's there's several, you know, pivotal moments. But

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Speaker 2: back and there was this idea, if you have strong beliefs,

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Speaker 2: Have to define the terms Christian theocracy if we want

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Speaker 2: separation of church and state has to be reconsidered. Thomas

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Speaker 2: Thomas Jefferson is the law of separation of Church and State.

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Speaker 2: in the book, I show Thomas Jefferson was a scoundrel.

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Speaker 2: but Thomas Jefferson has a subversive political philosophy that does

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Taylor, I mean the Establishment Clause of the

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Speaker 2: do all these things and talk about policies and changes

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Speaker 2: and social you know, active activization and all these things.

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Speaker 2: But if you're not converted in the soul, if you

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Speaker 2: don't have sanctifying grace, if you're not living a sacramental life,

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Speaker 2: if you're not in daily prayer, if you're not forming

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Speaker 2: your marriage and your children around Christ, none of this matters.

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Speaker 2: You know, it'll just be a hollow structure. We actually

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Speaker 2: have to be filled with the Holy Spirit, and so

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Speaker 2: I talk about, you know, what that means, and how

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Speaker 2: to be close to Christ. And then you said, take

439
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Speaker 2: up space is the next one. We used to be

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Speaker 2: great at this, you know, processions and parades and statues,

441
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Speaker 2: and you know, you go to Italy, you go to Poland,

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Speaker 2: you go to France. There's the Blessed Mother on the corner,

443
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Speaker 2: and Saint Michael and Padre Pio and Saint you know, Joseph.

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Speaker 2: They took up space. They decorated their society as an

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Speaker 2: outward expression of the interior reality of what they believed.

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Speaker 2: And we see the new secular religion in the last

447
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Speaker 2: twenty years has gone out. They're reading to kids at

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Speaker 2: the public library, They're marching down Main Street during June.

449
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Speaker 2: They're putting their flag on every embassy, every government building.

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Speaker 2: They are taking up space. And when you take up space,

451
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Speaker 2: what you're saying is our beliefs, our ideology are triumphant,

452
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Speaker 2: and we own this. That's why they're reading at the library,

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Speaker 2: at your public library, and that's why they're pushing it

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Speaker 2: in your schools. We own the public space, we own

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Speaker 2: the political sphere. And Catholics from the very beginning have

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Speaker 2: been public witnesses through martyrdom, but also just by the

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Speaker 2: way they honor their culture and say Christ is King,

458
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Speaker 2: Mary's the queen and they put up things, and so

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Speaker 2: you know, everyone can do this. You can put a

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Speaker 2: statue of the Virgin Mary out in front of your house,

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Speaker 2: so you can put a crucifix in your room. These

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Speaker 2: are the kind of things that start small, but they

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Speaker 2: snowball into a cultural transformation.

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Speaker 1: Your other twelve steps, and we're going to do the

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Speaker 1: reader's digestive them because I got so much I need

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Speaker 1: to get to. But they're really policy prescriptions to my eye,

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Speaker 1: from parental rights for kids to outlawing porn. What's the

468
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Speaker 1: most critical in your mind?

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Speaker 2: The most critical is personal conversion and being filled with

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Speaker 2: grace and knowing Christ. But I think that the very

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Speaker 2: the most critical is defining matrimony. That's if we don't

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Speaker 2: get that one right, we lose it all. Because matrimony

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Speaker 2: is what protects the family. It ensures that a child

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Speaker 2: from infancy until adulthood. Thomas Aquina says, you know the

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Speaker 2: goal of matrimony is procreation and education, rearing the child.

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Speaker 2: Anybody can be a baby mom or a baby daddy,

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Speaker 2: but it's that teaching them, catechizing them, making them virtuous,

478
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Speaker 2: teaching them virtue, teaching them, getting the sacraments, and so

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Speaker 2: if we have matrimony as a sacrament operly defined. God

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Speaker 2: invented matrimony at creation Genesis. He elevated it to a

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Speaker 2: sacrament at the wedding of Kana. He decides what matrimony is.

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Speaker 2: A quorum of twelve men cannot decide the definition of marriage.

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Speaker 2: A judge cannot define that. The Senate cannot define what

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Speaker 2: marriage is. And we, as Christian Zena, say no, God

485
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Speaker 2: define marriage. It's a very specific definition. If we can't

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Speaker 2: define marriage, we can't define what is a man, what

487
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Speaker 2: is a woman? When does life begin? When does life end?

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Speaker 2: That I think is the pivotal definition, and I think

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Speaker 2: we have to fight for that because everything below that,

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Speaker 2: you know, banning pornography and you know parental rights, all

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Speaker 2: of those flow really from the sanctity of matrimony.

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Speaker 1: I want to jump back a little bit to a

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Speaker 1: previous book because I got this question this week. Somebody

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Speaker 1: friend of mine he had just read your Christian Patriarch book,

495
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Speaker 1: and they said they were confused, and they said, wait,

496
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Speaker 1: Taylor Marshall wrote this book called Infiltration, where he claimed

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Speaker 1: there was a plot to undermine the Catholic Church from

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Speaker 1: within now he's asking us to turn to the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 1: It's been somehow infiltrated. What hard evidence would you convince

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Speaker 1: skeptics of this idea that you put forward in the book,

501
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Speaker 1: that this isn't just a conspiracy but actually a historical infiltration.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at the scandals we've had, not

503
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Speaker 2: just in two thousand and two, but before then and

504
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Speaker 2: since then, and you look at the ambiguity and the

505
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Speaker 2: confusion of doctrine where the majority of Catholics in this

506
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Speaker 2: country do not believe in the real presence transubstantiation. You

507
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Speaker 2: look at the rapid decline in vocation just hard facts,

508
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Speaker 2: vocations of the priesthood to the religious life, the decline

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Speaker 2: in marriages, the decline in infant baptisms, the decline in

510
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Speaker 2: adult baptisms, the increase in annulments. Like, there is so

511
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Speaker 2: much evidence that something is broken. Something is broken, And

512
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Speaker 2: I don't believe that the Holy Spirit ever stopped working.

513
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Speaker 2: I don't believe Jesus stopped being the king and the

514
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Speaker 2: leader of the Catholic Church. So that means that there's

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Speaker 2: something else that is causing problems in the kind and

516
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Speaker 2: it's not the Church. The Catholic Church is one holy

517
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Speaker 2: Catholic and Apostolic. That means that there must be wolves

518
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Speaker 2: in sheep's clothing, and Jesus promised they would come. He said,

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Speaker 2: beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. He said, beware of

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Speaker 2: false prophets. He promised us that there would be judas scariots,

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Speaker 2: there would be false prophets. It's in the Gospel. He

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Speaker 2: says it's going to happen. So to say that it's

523
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Speaker 2: not happening. There are no wolves, there are no false prophets,

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Speaker 2: there are no false brethren. It goes against the words

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Speaker 2: of Jesus Christ, and it goes against what we actually

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Speaker 2: see in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: And you in the book you imply more than imply.

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Speaker 1: You point the finger at the Freemasons, Okay, which popes

529
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Speaker 1: have warned about through the last century, really even before that.

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Speaker 1: But the founding of these guilts, My question is do

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Speaker 1: you think those Freemasons have that kind of enduring power

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Speaker 1: in the present day. I mean, I pulled a stat

533
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Speaker 1: on this the other day. NPR had a report that

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Speaker 1: membership in the US among Freemasons has fallen from nineteen

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Speaker 1: fifty nine by seventy five percent. I mean they're opening

536
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Speaker 1: their doors to tours trying to get people to come

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Speaker 1: to the lodge. Do you really think they have that

538
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Speaker 1: kind of power influence, authority and membership today?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. And I say that in the book Infiltration

540
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Speaker 2: that you have to understand Freemasonry when it begins in

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Speaker 2: seventeen seventeen. It's a secret society. Why is it a

542
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Speaker 2: secret society because if you said these kind of disruptive

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Speaker 2: things in public, you would actually be killed in the

544
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Speaker 2: seventeen hundreds eighteen hundreds, so they were in secret societies.

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Speaker 2: What they taught and what they promoted in the Freemason

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Speaker 2: which is the civil liberties that are not based in

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Speaker 2: God right and basically a proto communism, They couldn't say

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Speaker 2: that back then. By the time you get into the

549
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Speaker 2: late eighteen hundreds and the fall of the Papal States,

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Speaker 2: and you get into the nineteen hundreds in post World

551
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Speaker 2: War Two, you don't have to be a Freemason, you

552
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Speaker 2: don't have to be a member, you don't have to

553
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Speaker 2: be in a secret society. They teach it in the

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Speaker 2: freshman class at the university, right, they teach it on

555
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Speaker 2: Oprah like the Gnostic worldview of Freemasonry becomes mainstream. So

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Speaker 2: of course freemasonry in twenty twenty five is dead. It's

557
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Speaker 2: kind of a joke because you don't have to be

558
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Speaker 2: in a secret society. It's not a secret, it is mainstream.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Freemasonry I think is a very It's still

560
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Speaker 2: very dangerous, but its power and its potency and its

561
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Speaker 2: infection was really in the seventeen hundreds, eighteen hundreds. By

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Speaker 2: the time we're in the Second World War situation, I

563
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Speaker 2: think it kind of starts becoming the air we breathe

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Speaker 2: by the nineteen sixties.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about your journey. I mean we met you

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Speaker 1: were I think you were you had left Episcopalianism, but

567
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Speaker 1: you were an Episcopal priest. What was it that tipped

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Speaker 1: you over the edge and drew you to Catholicism.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was an Episcopalian priest and I

570
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Speaker 2: did a lot of pro life work. And we would

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Speaker 2: go on Thursdays, we'd have our version of Mass Holy Communion,

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Speaker 2: and we would go to the Planned Parenthood and we

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Speaker 2: would pray, and there was always like seven or eight Episcopealians,

574
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Speaker 2: but there's like twenty five thirty Catholics and they were

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Speaker 2: praying the Rosary, and there's a priest there. I got

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Speaker 2: to know them, and I remember just they were much

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Speaker 2: more intense than we were. I remember seeing this lady.

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Speaker 2: She was kind of middle aged, and she was very

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Speaker 2: well to do, and she was kneeling in the gravel

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Speaker 2: praying the Rosary, and I was like, she believes, like

581
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Speaker 2: she's a real disciple of Jesus, you know. And that

582
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Speaker 2: was that witness was very attractive to me. And then

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Speaker 2: as an Episcopalian, I started getting pushedback from my congregation

584
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Speaker 2: about being so pro life. They're like, hey, don't be

585
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Speaker 2: so political about this. And I started to realize that

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Speaker 2: as an Episcopalian priest, I didn't have the authority. I

587
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: didn't have the magisterium. I didn't have the toolbox to

588
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Speaker 2: be authentically pro life and defend what I truly believed.

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Speaker 2: And in the meantime, you know, my wife's watching Mother

590
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Speaker 2: Angelica and watching EWTN or having these conversations, and really

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Speaker 2: it came. We went to Rome and we were invited

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Speaker 2: to a mass with Pope Bend the sixteenth. In that morning,

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Speaker 2: we had been in the Scavi and seeing Saint Peter's

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Speaker 2: bones and During that mass, Raymond, I was standing right

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Speaker 2: by the bronze statue of Saint Peter. It came time

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Speaker 2: for communion in the I was wearing a clerical car

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Speaker 2: and I was wearing episcopal priestthood clothes, and these nuns

598
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Speaker 2: were trying to push me up padre Pridy to go

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Speaker 2: to communion. And I knew I couldn't receive communion because

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Speaker 2: I wasn't Catholic. And I'll tell you, Raymond, some people

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Speaker 2: don't believe me when I say this, but I was

602
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Speaker 2: sick to my stomach because I looked up there and

603
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Speaker 2: I thought Peter's down there under the altar. Pope Benedict,

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Speaker 2: successor of Peter's right there. This is the real church,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not in it. And I knew. I knew

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Speaker 2: I was a heretic, and I knew I was a

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Speaker 2: sismatic in that moment, and I knew that if I

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Speaker 2: didn't try to enter the church, i'd go to help.

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Speaker 2: That was my conversion.

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Speaker 1: Why not join the ordinary? And for those who don't know,

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Speaker 1: Pope Benedict the sixteenth created would say free floating diocese,

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Speaker 1: if you will, for Anglican clerics to come into full

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Speaker 1: communion with the Catholic Church, but they would they're ordained

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Speaker 1: and become priests essentially in the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 2: I was in that process, and I think when I

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Speaker 2: met you in Washington, d C. I was working at

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Speaker 2: the CIC there and part of my job is I

618
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Speaker 2: was helping with the correspondence with the Vatican to set

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Speaker 2: up what became the Anglican Ordinary. And I was on

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Speaker 2: track to be ordained a Catholic priest even though I

621
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Speaker 2: was married, because the provision applied to me. But you know,

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Speaker 2: as I, as I discerned and prayed and got to

623
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Speaker 2: know the Catholic priesthood, I just felt that I wasn't

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Speaker 2: being called to that, that I was called to be

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Speaker 2: a layman. And so even though I was in the process,

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Speaker 2: I you know, I was made a candidate for orders

627
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Speaker 2: and a lay eucharistic minister, and they, you know, they

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Speaker 2: were trying to get me through. It's kind of a

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Speaker 2: to your process. I just discerned, I don't think this

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Speaker 2: is where God's calling me, and he had another plan

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 1: So yeah. Also, well, the Vatican continues taylor to restrict

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Speaker 1: the Latin Mass, the traditional Latin Mass, and we've covered

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Speaker 1: this for years. I do it here on the prayerful posse.

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Speaker 1: My question is, why does that liturgy matter so much

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Speaker 1: now in this cultural moment. Some will say from the outside,

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Speaker 1: this is really just a matter of preference, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you people are clinging to the past.

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Speaker 2: You would say what I'd say, this is our patrimony,

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Speaker 2: this is our inheritance. And if you look at the

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00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: young people, I mean, I go to the traditional land mass.

642
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: I went yesterday, it's young people. Yes, there's all ages there,

643
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 2: but there's something that's attracting the young people because you know,

644
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: they have these cell phones, they have Netflix, they have

645
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: constant stream, they have constant just energy and noise all

646
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: around them. And I think when they enter into the

647
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: traditional Latin mass, I think something just clicks for them.

648
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: And I've I've we have eight kids, I've I've watched

649
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: them raise and they're they're kind of the same way.

650
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: I think there's there's something perennial and there's something beautiful

651
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: about it. And I think, you know, the older generation

652
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: in the hierarchy, you know, like Pope Francis's age, you know,

653
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 2: and that that kind of Popely of the fourteenth is

654
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: a little bit younger but I think the age of

655
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: of of Pope Francis, God Rest his soul, they kind

656
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: of see the Latin Masses like grandma's old couch, like

657
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: it was great, we have good memories about it. It's

658
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 2: kind of old. Let's get something new, you know, let's

659
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: go to Ikea and let's you know, get something that

660
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 2: the youth are gonna love it. But there's something that's

661
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: just that's just so beautiful and grounded in the traditional

662
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: Latin Mass. And I've experienced in my own life. I

663
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: think I can honestly say the traditional Latin Mass, and

664
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: I don't deny that the Novus Ordo is valid and

665
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: or real, but the traditional Latin Mass it draws me

666
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: closer to Jesus. And you know, I think it's it's

667
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: something that's very attractive and it's not going away. You know,

668
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: like we've been decades and decades fighting this silly battle

669
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: over this liturgy. Just let the liturgy be free.

670
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: Well, it was free under Propendict I mean under Pope Benedict.

671
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: He liberated the old right and said, well, you know what,

672
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: We're going to have the traditional Latin Mass live aside

673
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: the New Mass, and it's going to live side by

674
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: side in every parish. Whatever the priest wants to do,

675
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: it's up to him, and that worked beautifully. There was

676
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: no problems, there were no wars in the parish. Granny

677
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: wasn't hitting the young kids who were on their way

678
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: into the Latin Mass. Everybody went about their lives and

679
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: they had a great time. If anything, I would argue

680
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: that period sacrilzed the New Right. It changed and transformed

681
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: the New Right. So now you're priests offering the new

682
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: Right facing east, which is the traditional posture of the

683
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: Mass in the traditional Latin mask.

684
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: I don't think there was anything wrong with it. And

685
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: the pastoral experience was positive. And there's that kind of

686
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: scandal with Diane Montagna where Pope Francis when he issued

687
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: the restrictions, he said, well, I consulted the bishops and

688
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: it's been a negative experience, so I'm forced to move

689
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: my hand. And then Diane Montagna, you know, with the

690
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: protocol numbers provides the document and the bishops the summary

691
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: is it's like so positive and vocations and young people

692
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: and the parish life is wholesome. So I really I

693
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: think our heads are still kind of spinning here. What

694
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: happened when Pope Francis restricted to the traditional Latin Mass because

695
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: he said he consulted bishops and it was very negative.

696
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: And then we have the actual document and it's very positive.

697
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: And I think Pope Leo the fourteenth has a tremendous

698
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: opportunity here. I think even this year, if he could

699
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: to say, hey, we're going to free thee. Let's not

700
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: have the liturgy wars, let's free things up. If you

701
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: want the traditional Latin Mass, you can have the traditional

702
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: Latin Mass. It doesn't mean you're a bad person or schismatics.

703
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: It is what it is.

704
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, my gut is people will be waiting for while

705
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: for that. Really, you're raising eight children in a hypersecular culture.

706
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: Like everybody else. What's working, What's what's not working?

707
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: Oh, let's see what's working, you know. I think another thing,

708
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: and I talked about this in the book, is education.

709
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: I know a lot of us, our family included, and

710
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 2: other families have tried public school. Maybe get a chance.

711
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: But I think we're at the point in twenty twenty five,

712
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: even in the most conservative school districts, the amount of influence,

713
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: you know, from the culture, but also from the teacher

714
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: in the administration I think we're at a moment now

715
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 2: where it's imperative for homeschooling or good Catholic schools. Not

716
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: all Catholic schools are the same because you know, they're

717
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: spending so much time there and the friendships and the

718
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: sports and everything they do. We've just seen as parents

719
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: that you know, doing a solid homeschool program or being

720
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: in a real Our kids are in a really good, conservative,

721
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: private Catholic school. It's night and day. I think it's

722
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: really important. And then I think also just your children

723
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: need to see that you believe these things. And a

724
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: big part of our families we do Rosary every night,

725
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how late it is, how tied year is,

726
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: we do the Rosary, and that is just a reminder

727
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: that this is what matters to us. We pray the Rosary.

728
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: We're Catholic. We need to pray every day. It's hard

729
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: to pray every day, it's hard to find time. The

730
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: bare minimum we can do is pray the Rosary. So

731
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 2: I would say, pray the Rosary. You're not on the team,

732
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: get the beads out, get the kids leading the decades.

733
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: You got to pray that Rosary. And I think the

734
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: Latin Mass also is beneficial for young people.

735
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's supernatural. The supernatural mystery of it is tangible.

736
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: That's what's drawing the young. They're like children. You know,

737
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: when children see something, they're not superficial. Children are not superficial.

738
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: I talk to a lot of kids because of my

739
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: children's books. I go to schools often. You can't fool

740
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: a child to it reality because they're so fresh, if

741
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: you will, they haven't been jaded. And I think if

742
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: you when they when young people and children walk into

743
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: a Latin mass, they're seeing and sensing the reality that

744
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: frankly some adults have talked themselves out of. And it's

745
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: a supernatural reality, that's what That's what they're picking up.

746
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: And I've always thought it's like a tractor beam. You

747
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: can watch them, you know, you can almost watch them

748
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: transform in it too. But that's for another day. Okay,

749
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: I've got to get to the Royal Grande Questionnaire. I

750
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: ask everybody these questions in some variety. These are quick answers, Taylor,

751
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: I don't want you to think deeply. You ready, ready,

752
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: who's the person you most admire.

753
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 2: Blessed Virgin Mary?

754
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: Oh? Why?

755
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: I mean, she's the mother of God. She's all pure.

756
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean Jesus Christ, I mean, he's father, son,

757
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: holy ghost. But I think in created humans, the Blessed Mother.

758
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I just have I have a picture right here.

759
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: I just have peace when I pray the Rosary when

760
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 2: I'm stressed, you know. And yeah, she's the Queen of peace.

761
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: So definitely the Blessed Mother.

762
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: Who's the person you're most despise?

763
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: Mmm. I want to play it easy and say the devil.

764
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: But I think right now, because of the work I've

765
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: been doing on Christian Patriot, I think in America, Thomas Jefferson,

766
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: I've really I did a deep diye on him, and

767
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: I'm really concerned about Thomas Jefferson.

768
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: Oh boy, you're not. You don't want to be in

769
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: the room where it happened. Okay, we're gonna We're gonna

770
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: keep you off the Monticello tour. What what is your

771
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: best feature?

772
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: What do you mean, physically or totally up to you?

773
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: Totally up to you? Uh.

774
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: I think my my gift is is that I'm able

775
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: to take complicated ideas like p tomism, whatever and present

776
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: them in a in a tangible way for for your

777
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 2: everyday man.

778
00:42:52,880 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: What's your worst feature, be honest, Taylor, I think.

779
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: Probably a melancholy or a discouragement or despair, like in

780
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: this last week with the Charlie Kirk thing. It's hard,

781
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: I think, and even maybe in a way that's a

782
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: fault to kind of lose hope a little bit.

783
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: Well, it's hard when a young person is taken, you know.

784
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's you know, and struck down in

785
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: such a vivid, awful, you know, immediate way, and under

786
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: those circumstances in the middle of their journey, I mean

787
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: really in the middle of what he was doing. Yeah,

788
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: I understand why you would despair. Well, what do you fear?

789
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: My greatest fear would probably be for my children, that

790
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: anything would happen to them, or that they would lose

791
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: the faith or Yeah.

792
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: Your greatest virtue or the greatest virtue not yours. The

793
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: greatest virtue is.

794
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: What charity, charity, faith hope and charity charity remains. Yeah,

795
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: but I think in the natural order, I think the

796
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 2: virtue we need today and the virtue that and I

797
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 2: need is fortitude.

798
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: Fortitude, Yeah, a good one. What's your greatest regret, Taylor?

799
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: What would you do differently?

800
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: You know, I wish I had become Catholic earlier. I

801
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: had those inclinations. You know, I was an Anglican Episcopalian,

802
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 2: so I had a kind of a Catholic thinking, and

803
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: you know, I wish that I had probably explored it

804
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 2: more or dove into it more earlier on in my life.

805
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: I wish I had more time as a Catholic.

806
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: What do you know that other people don't?

807
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: Who? Or what?

808
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: What do you know that other people don't?

809
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 2: What do I know that other people don't. I think

810
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 2: that a lot of young people don't believe that marriage

811
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: can be joyful and good and family can be a

812
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: real like spring of joy in life. And I do

813
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: know that I've been blessed by God to experience that,

814
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: and I want other people to know that. But I

815
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: think in our time people are very cynical about that.

816
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, No, they don't realize, particularly young people.

817
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: And is where Charlie Kirk was so on the money.

818
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Get married young, have a family. It will give you your purpose.

819
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: You will suddenly realize the purpose of all of this,

820
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: and your work is revivified, and your focused is revivified,

821
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: and and you find love and support and you know

822
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: the reason you've been sent here via those children and

823
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: your wife. The best piece of advice you've ever received.

824
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 2: Is what, Well, it's a lot, but one that comes

825
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: back to me is my own father. My dad, very

826
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: smart man. He said, success is a thousand good decisions.

827
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: And I've noticed that in my life. So it's it's

828
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: it's not these you know, great monumental things that happen,

829
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: it's just those thousand good decisions that add up to

830
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: a major win.

831
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: Hmm. That is good advice. That's smart. What's your favorite

832
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: book and the last one you read?

833
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: Oh, let's see my favorite book other than the Bible,

834
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: if I could take one with me, probably too. I

835
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: really like reading Thomas Aquinas, so I put the Sumataelosi

836
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: on there. But I also like Mystical City of God

837
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: by Maria Agreda. Oh yeah, I keep that on my

838
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: nightstand and it calms me, sues me. I like to

839
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: read that.

840
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: Why does it soothe you? I mean, it's kind of

841
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: this was Maria agreed to sort of visions if you

842
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: will us. It's almost the behind the scenes of the scriptures.

843
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: She kind of sees in the shadows.

844
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: It's very supernatural. And again, I think it kind of

845
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: goes back to my love for our lady. There's just

846
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: something very peaceful and see seeing like living human life

847
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 2: at the highest level, the best level, full of grace.

848
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: That's our lady. I don't know, I just like it,

849
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: you know, I like reading that. And then what was

850
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: the other question, what was the last book you read?

851
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: The last book I read? Well, it's probably Christian Patrick.

852
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: I had to read it so many times. Not your

853
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: own book.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't count.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't count. Gosh, I can't we have around here?

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Speaker 1: Well, don't look now. If you don't remember, it must

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Speaker 1: have been so.

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Speaker 2: Od It's probably this new book by Jesse Romero and

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Speaker 2: doctor Dan Schneider, Spiritual Warfare Q and A.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, we'll take that. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: like the old Dean Martin Drew. I just finished a book.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna go read another one. If you could

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Speaker 1: not do what you're doing now, what would you do? Oh?

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Speaker 2: You know? My real life is New Saint Thomas Institute

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Speaker 2: and professors and podcasting. But my secret, sidelfe is I'm

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Speaker 2: a cattle rancher. And so see those images if you

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Speaker 2: get out on the weekends and I talk with my

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Speaker 2: cows and move them from pasture to pasture. And you know,

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Speaker 2: think I'd probably be pretty happy.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, the Marshall Ranch, we will will look forward

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Speaker 1: to that premiere. Maybe Taylor Sheridan can can start that.

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Speaker 1: We'll do a whole new It'll be a whole new

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Speaker 1: Christianized ranch. Saga. What happens when this is over?

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Speaker 2: Taylor Marshall, what's over my life?

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Speaker 1: I leave these questions up to the interpretation of the

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Speaker 1: one answering.

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Speaker 2: What happens when it's over? Man? I just I hope

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Speaker 2: that I can somehow skip purgatory. That would be great.

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Speaker 2: But you know, here here in life, you know, like

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Speaker 2: I think of my legacy, and I've written twelve books,

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Speaker 2: and I do all these podcasts and all that, but

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Speaker 2: I really just hope that my children form families that,

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Speaker 2: you know, accomplish what we're talking about in the book,

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Speaker 2: you know, Christian civilization, Christian excellence, loving marriages, high birth rates.

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe some vocations in there, but I really

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Speaker 2: my greatest concern would be my legacy would be in

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Speaker 2: my children.

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Speaker 1: M beautiful Taylor Marshall, thank you for being here. The

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Speaker 1: book Christian Patriot Twelve Ways to Create One Nation Under

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Speaker 1: God is available everywhere. Thanks. We'll check in again soon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Raymond.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. I hope you'll come back to

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Speaker 1: a Royal Grande soon. Why live a dry, constricted life

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Speaker 1: when if you fill it with good things it can

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Speaker 1: flow into a broad, thriving a royal Grande. I'm Raymond Arroyo.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you subscribe like this episode. Thanks for diving in,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you next time. Arroyo Grande is produced

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Speaker 1: your podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,