WEBVTT - Fire Drill 096: In the Dirt 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:05.920 Mm hmm. Justin Thomas wants more positive stories, he should 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:09.080 just pay attention to the fire pit channels, because what 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:11.800 we're all about, it's telling these these feel good tales. 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:15.200 That got dots in my head. 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.640 Can't get them, joh and not the thing what I'm 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:21.919 thinking about. 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.160 I can't get. 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:28.240 Them, John, not the thing well I'm thinking about. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.760 Hello, this is Alan Chipnak back for another Fire Drill 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.720 podcast here at the FPC. We're coming off a great 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:46.920 success at the Wishbone Brawl. Presumably you guys have seen 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.320 all the content we blasted out. 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Hopefully you guys have seen some of 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.240 the content we blasted out on Golden Gate Park and 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.399 Pasa Tiempo, and we have some great intel on Shorties, 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.480 the new Part three band and that we're going to 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:17.280 be putting out shortly as it were. And so just 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.400 to some fun, exciting projects that we'll get into in 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.920 a little more detail here. And so, without further ado, Matt, 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:24.880 what is going on in your world? 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:30.040 On Sunday morning, after saying goodbye to laired Shepherd by 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:34.800 the way, the British am Champ was in town and 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.840 staying at our house, got to play Friday skins and 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.280 Saturday around at goat Hill Park with with the British 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.440 Am champ over the over the sort of the end 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.040 of last week and and he's on his way to 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.400 Palm Springs playing in the Asian Tour Q School in 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.680 Palm Springs. So great to reconnect with Laird. If you've 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.600 watched some of what we did from the grind, you 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.679 know his story in which he was he was eight 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.480 down with nineteen to play in the British Amperagere Championship 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.960 at nare A couple of years ago and came back 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:09.640 to beat Monti Scousel in a three hole playoff, eight down, 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.080 nineteen to play, four down with four to play and 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:16.280 wins on the third playoff. Full so really cool that 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.240 he was here and he was teaching bandon how to 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.880 play soccer in our backyard and showing him some stuff 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.640 on the golf course. So it was really sweet. And 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.359 then Sunday morning I darted up to San Jose, went 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:33.960 out and met Justin Mandon, the superintendent there, and got 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:39.640 eyes on ultimately what's really a finished product At Pas Tiempo. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.480 They will reopen to the public on December fourth. The 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.680 Front nine the back nine has been open. You can 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.600 play it, you know, once or twice if you so desire. 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.520 But the front nine will reopen to the public December fourth. 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.720 That'll stay open all the way through April, so you 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.360 can play all eighteen holes with the new front nine 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:02.760 greens and the back nine as it is until Western Intercollegiate, 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.480 which is at the week after the Masters. So and 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.640 then they'll shut the back nine down and do the 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:10.880 same exact process that they did on the front line, 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:15.600 which is, you know, really go down and find the 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:19.640 original you know, the greens and the intent of doctor 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:23.400 Alistair McKenzie and Marion Hollins as it relates to those 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:28.920 putting surfaces and Jim Orbina just amandon erth Sculptures. Uh, 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.359 you know, a big sort of team has been a 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:37.720 part of that project. And I'm I honestly had a 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:42.159 beautiful morning out there. We had our Roger Our drone shooter, 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.839 a Drone Ninja out there and recreating some of the 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:50.120 same angles he's been doing throughout this entire process, and 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:54.680 the before and afters are going to be spectacular. The 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.160 putting surfaces at Pas Tiempo on that front nine went 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:03.920 from one maybe two pinnable locations to now in some 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:08.960 cases like five, three, five eight, the part three's are 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.720 going to have you know, seven to eleven different pinnable locations. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.200 They you know, they took the green side bunkers down 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.320 to their riginal intent. They've got you know, as as 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:25.920 we've documented, they've got photos and you know information. They 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.320 went and were able to read the layers of the 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:33.280 sand once they really cut into it, to see that 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:38.400 original that original green and and the sort of the 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:42.480 breaks on that green to try to use as as 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.240 a base for the recreation and restoration. 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:49.280 That's so cool. That's like archaeology. That's not that's not architecture. 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.599 That's that's a different discipline. Like they're they're reading the 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:55.440 straations of the earth there to figure out the subsoils 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:57.480 and the sand build ups. Like I love that. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:03.560 It's it's actually the word honestly, And I think you know, 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:08.240 they had done so much soil sampling and understanding, you know, 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:13.280 in justin mand and that superintendent they you know, Pasa 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.640 Tempo has the perfect guy. Grew up in the area, 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.680 lives in the area, you know obviously, and and uh 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:25.760 and he is so well versed on that golf Course, 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.799 Scott Hoyt former general manager Steve Vargo now the current 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:34.800 general manager, that board of directors, that membership. I was 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.400 there that day in April when they kind of shut 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.880 everything down. They had a barbecue, They had two hundred 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.720 plus members out there. The amount of information and education 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.960 that went in to getting that project, excuse me, that 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:53.760 project lit and getting that to go and where it 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.200 is now as as we here are here in November, 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.920 this is going to go down in history as one 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:06.919 of the smartest and most effective, you know, restorations of 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:12.800 very meaningful putting services that you know that are accessible 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.320 you know, to the public. It is a members club, 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.680 it is semi private. It's a very different business model 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:23.680 than we see in most American clubs in terms of 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:27.120 the prestige of what we're talking about. Usually these these 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.280 of course like this would be behind gates and we 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.040 would you'd only get access to it if you were 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:32.960 willing to pay one hundred thousand up front or two 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.320 hundred or five hundred whatever that exactly. 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:37.560 I mean. This is like the UK model, like even 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:41.520 your field, you know, which is the Augusta National of Scotland, 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:46.200 super Stuffy Uptight Joint they still let outsiders play, you know, 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.640 Tuesday and Thursdays. And I've had this argument with so 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.640 many people, like these great private courses. To me, it's 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.120 a travesty that three hundred guys get to play them 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.120 and a select few other guests, Like I mean, like 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.080 Cyper's point to me is like Yosemite, you know, it 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:06.480 should be a national park and let the members have 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.280 it maybe five days a week that everyone else coming 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.280 and play. And the other two like this is this 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.280 is a part of the California coastline. No one owns California, 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:18.320 no one owns the Pacific Ocean. Like these things bother 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.360 me and you and I have always loved Pasa Tempa. 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:25.640 We've talked about it glowingly. I think it's it's still 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.840 an underrated course. It's not always on people's radar screen, 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.560 but it is open to the public. They set aside 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:35.840 chunks of times every single day. And it's because this 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.240 public private model it's not that expensive relatively speaking. I 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.040 was like, what, it's a third of TPC sawgrass, you know, 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.319 it's half of pebble, you know what, it's it's half 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.440 of you. Some of these these these courses out in 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.880 the desert and it I mean Tita Green, it's phenomenal, 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.280 and the undulations and the land and some of the 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.720 some of the carries, and then these these Alter Mackenzie 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:02.720 greens are just wild and it's crazy and awesome. And 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:04.840 the good doctor, you know a lot of people know, 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:08.280 lived and basically died at Pasa Tiempo. That's how much 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.840 he loved it and cared for it. And so it 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.880 should be the top of every golfer's list as a pilgrimage. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:16.719 And just wait, you know, maybe at this point you 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.040 could wait another year when it's done done and it 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.160 is going to be so spectacular because they didn't really 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.880 touch anything Tita Green, although they they're tweaking some bunkers 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.920 along the way and the fairways. But the greens had 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.160 gotten so extreme from the sand build up, and I 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.920 don't think average golfers recognized, like every time you splashed 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:35.760 out of a bunker that like starts to raise the 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.840 contours or the greens times one hundred and fifty players 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.000 a day, times you know, almost one hundred years. And 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.440 so the greens had just evolved to the point they 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.199 were too extreme. So now you're gonna be able to 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.360 see the contours as they were designed, and it's going 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:51.320 to be tremendous. 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.120 It was almost it had gotten to a point where 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.360 they weren't even able to like mow the greens, let 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.800 alone put pins on them. And it wasn't It's not 0:09:59.880 --> 0:10:03.240 just that sand splash that you're talking about. It's top dressing. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.560 It's natural runoff on the you know, on that on 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:10.600 those hillsides and how that settles, and then you know, 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:14.840 and then it's the agronomy underneath it, with drainage and 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:19.520 sprinkler systems and you know, and just the general health 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.000 of the grass itself. So you know, if you talk 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:27.680 to some people involved and you find out that, you know, 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.760 they were really you know, Justin was very good at 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:32.960 what he does, obviously, and he would get the greens 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.640 very good, but there was only a limited number of 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.400 seasons in which he was going to be able to 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:43.600 do what he was doing without you know, without having 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.120 to try to, you know, sort of push forward with 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:51.320 the project like this. And and they they what they've 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.320 ultimately decided to do is go back to some of 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:59.160 that that original intent and and and reveal some of 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.080 the original pinlotions but also some of the views and 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.640 looks you see of some of the bunkers behind or 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:06.520 to the right or left of some of these holes 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.600 that you could see in images but had been disappeared 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:15.120 over these decades of time. And in Jim Orbina, you 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.680 have a guy who spent a lot of time out 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:23.840 of pass Tempo. He knows Mackenzie. He worked with Doak 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.800 on the sort of the restoration in which they you know, 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.240 go back fifteen years ago. They didn't touch any of 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.079 the of the greens at that time. And so you 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:40.760 got this real thoughtful, well informed architect and you have 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:42.880 Justin Mannon, and then you have earth Sculptures, and you 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:48.679 have this membership. It is what we've documented and you know, 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.720 the dirt that we were able to get into, so 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:57.720 to speak, and see this process and the greens that 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:02.160 we've played so many times that have befuddled us. And 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.520 it's not to say they've made they've made it. You know, 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:07.640 people were like, oh, they're going to make it too easy. 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.480 Those greens are what make Pasa Tempo. First of all, 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.559 there's no way Passe Tempo is a bunch of half pars, 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.360 and most of them are on the high side half 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.120 you know, they're they're like they're you know, number one 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.160 is a part four and a half. Number two is 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.079 like a part four and a half. Number three is 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.040 a par three and a half. You know, like you 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.319 just keep going and you're like, oh, this is just 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.280 a bunch of you know, half pars that are that 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.760 are working. Were you against it? But it's also part 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:37.760 of why it makes it so fun? But what's this? 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.760 What what they've done now is going to afford justin 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:45.600 to run those greens like he wants to at a 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.959 ten eleven or even you know, upwards of eleven and 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.840 a half twelve Western Intercollegiate or something like that, and 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:58.680 have pin locations that are still fair. Because when those 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.400 when those greens were running eleven and you know, when 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.880 when the cameras were on in the Western Intercollegiate was 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:07.880 being played and you saw the ball never stop rolling, 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.600 it was like, oh, this is unfair, you've lost it. 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.680 This is no right, makes any sense. But that's not 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:17.199 going to be the case anymore. There's real, like legitimate 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.880 shelfing and pin locations. They're going to be tough to 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.280 get to, but they're gonna be fair. 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.080 Do you remember we were playing there on the third 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.880 hole that incredible part. Three up the hill, hit a 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.200 career hybrid like to four feet, but it was past 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.880 the flag and it was straight down, and it's like, 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:36.559 I'm either going to make a two here or I'm 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.120 gonna make a four, And sure enough I nudged the ball. 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.720 It ran like ten feet by I missed the comeback. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:43.920 It was so deflating, like I did one of the 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.680 top ten shots of my entire life and I left 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.600 with a bogie. I think I had to rattle in 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.280 like a three footer for my three putt. It was Yeah, 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:53.880 you could just get in some spots where you were 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.160 absolutely dead, So it's gonna be exciting. 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.480 And as much as I didn't want to see you miss, 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.760 that definitely had to make you put it, you know 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:02.079 what I mean. 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.520 I seemed to Yeah, No, yeah, it wasn't It wasn't 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:05.480 a half. It was like. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.920 But but same that could be said on eight You 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.959 know five, if you're above the holes there. Eighteen obviously 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.200 was a mess. They had totally lost any you know, 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:23.320 legitimate pinnable locations on eighteen. So this is this is 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:28.440 you know, I'm very Look, we're we're in this, We're 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.080 in bed with Pasa tempo and telling the story. So 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:36.320 but and and obviously that's that's pretty pretty well known. 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:41.320 But I'm telling you, regardless of that, I think there's 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.640 gonna be a lot of you know, opinionated people that 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.960 are going to take to Pasa Tempo. I don't think 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.760 there's anybody who's gonna walk away and go what's been 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.880 done here is is phenomenal. And there's a great big 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.280 congratulations to everybody involved. And they can't wait to get 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.800 started on the back nine. They very smartly did the 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.200 nine first, although there are these iconic holes in these 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.640 greens and those three part threes that we've already mentioned, 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.320 plus number nine two really needed a lot of work. 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:14.840 I mean, the back nine you've got you know, ten, eleven, twelve, 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:19.840 I mean sixteen, eighteen, those are those those should be 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.720 hanging in the louver like that's that's legitimate artwork out there. 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.920 So for them to get a real grasp on the process, 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.520 get a system in place, learn what they needed to 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:32.480 learn on the front nine, and now take all that 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:37.000 knowledge into the back nine. This is you know, come 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.920 this time next year, they're going to reopen all eighteen 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:45.640 with all new greens and it's gonna it's going to be. 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:47.920 It's going to be something to behold in, something to 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.520 see and feel and play. 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.120 I mean, yeah, we do have a business relationship with 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.520 Pasa Tempo now, but we've been touting that place for 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.040 thirty years, so I don't I don't think we're in 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.000 the pocket Apostle. We've always loved it. 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.000 I know, and the fact that it's so underrated on 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.120 these rankings just pisses me off. It's like, do people 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.680 even understand what they're looking at when they stand on 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:11.520 some of those te boxes and look out to those 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.960 green those bunker complexes and the green complexes, and you know, 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.680 as someone was just saying in one of the social 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.640 comments that Doake said, how do you make such a 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.600 short course play so long? Well, you know it's because 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.240 of the undulation, That's how That's how you got to 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.320 It's a hike to get around there. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.360 For sure. For sure. Well, so you know we talked 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.200 about the dirt. We've kind of got this. We're calling 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.000 in the dirt. It's it's it's going to be the 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.320 umbrella for all these projects are working on the fire 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:48.920 pit course, restorations, new builds, anything related to bringing golf 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.880 courses to life, which we've already been doing over the 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:53.440 last two and a half years, but it feels like 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:57.040 it's accelerating. And one project that we're both you and 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.280 I are super excited about as we put a few 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.160 things out on social so you can detect the the 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.639 energy and the whole golfing world is Golden Gate Park 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.960 Golf Course. This little part three, a lot of people 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.200 never knew it was there. It's the very western edge 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.879 of Golden Gate Park. I mean, you're about one good drive. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.320 It's probably three hundred yards to the beach, and it's 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.120 right in the shadow of those famous like Sutral windmills 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:25.760 that are out there, and just an incredible spot in 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:31.639 one of America's greatest you know, urban oases. And this 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:33.280 you know, you and I have both been there in 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.840 the last few weeks and to see you know, we've 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.639 been we've been in the dirt since you know, I 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.880 guess eight months ago, and to see it come into 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:45.560 life now the grass has grown in the sand, scrapes 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.240 are are visible, the greens, you can see the you 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:53.520 can see undulations. After your last visit to the completed 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.080 Golden Gate Park Part three, what you're feeling about that 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:58.760 place again. 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:04.640 I'm I'm just really happy for everybody involved, and you know, 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:09.720 Josh Lewis, j Blasi, Dan Burke, I met some locals 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.240 on this last trip. After Pasa Tempo, I darted over 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.280 to Golden Gate Park and and you know, sort of 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:22.840 it's it's not as far along in terms of the 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.479 health and strength of the grass, but it's pretty close. 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.600 You know, one's bent and bent bent grass greens, and 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.840 the other at at Golden Gate Park is using fescue 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.520 and fescue you know, needs a little you know, a 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.920 little more time to sort of get in and get 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:46.359 get get some strength. But I think long term it 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.760 was the right move for the way they want that 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.119 golf course to play firm and fast and have the 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.439 ball move around after it's on the ground. Jay BLASEI 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.760 obviously a big part of the Chambers Bay project with 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:07.840 Robert Trent Jones Junior. And you know, this was a 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.600 cool project all along, you know, and we talk about 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:12.879 it in our docuseries. That's going to be you know, 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.119 starting to drop. Content started to drop next week. But 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.640 you know, in the legacy of Sandy Tatum and what 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:23.920 happened at Harding Park, and Dan Burke knowing Sandy Tatum 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.640 and working and being a big part of the San 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.360 Francisco golf community and what it meant to him now 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.760 the CEO of San Francisco first t for him to 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:38.240 get some private donors two point seven million to get 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:43.320 Jay Blasey again lives locally, and Josh Lewis, who's got 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.960 a history going back to agronomy at Bandon Dunes and 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:52.199 other prominent projects. This team, you know, walking around with 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.320 them and some of the locals and what's about to 0:19:55.640 --> 0:20:00.600 you know, sort of be presented to the public affordable, accessible, 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:04.679 everything that you'd want from from a nine hole golf 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.919 course in Golden Gate Park and a hub of a 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:13.080 first tea program that needs a place to play. It's 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.639 just it's just going to get rave reviews. It's going 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.320 to be a national curiosity. It's going to be a 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.959 blueprint for what's possible. You know, We've said it many times. 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.520 We're going to continue to say it, you know, for me, 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.920 you know, and you know John Ashworth at goat Hill 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:34.359 Park and and uh and Dan Burke at at Golden 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.720 Gate Park, and and you know what, obviously, you know, 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:41.320 Mike Kaiser at bandon Dune's and sort of Tom Pashley 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.399 at at Pineer's putting in the cradle off the front 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:49.280 porch of Piner's resort. And uh, you know Steve Leary, 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.520 the mayor of Winter Park who decided to do what 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:54.440 he did, you know, Western Golf Association and Camper Sports 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:56.720 and some of the people who are behind the Canal 0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:01.879 Shores renovation and restoration of that property which will be 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:05.000 home to uh to uh you know, you know Junior 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:10.640 Caddy program and these to me Alan, you know are 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:11.800 leaders in golf. 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:12.399 You know. 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:18.720 This to me is you know, I'm super frustrated with 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:25.600 professional golf PGA Tour live, the dysfunction, the greed, the bullshittery. 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:31.080 As we say, I just I just find it, you know, 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:36.280 I just find to justin Thomas's point, actually, it's way 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:41.280 more interesting and exciting to stay focused on some of 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.600 these types of stories that you know, this Golden Gate 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.280 Park is going to be a rock and a pond, 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:50.399 and the ripple effect that it's going to have on 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:54.480 this community as it relates to golf and kids and 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:58.639 accessibility and affordability is is going to go on again 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:02.000 now for decades and it's really cool. 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:05.000 It's just a feel good project for everyone involved because 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:10.280 the you know, the locals. And I was out there 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:14.000 on closing day for the old Golden Gate Park and 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.240 interviewed this Japanese guy who's ninety one years old. He 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.040 taught his daughters and his grandkids to play there, and 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:21.840 he plays there all the time, so much he has 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:25.160 his own private parking plays and you know, this is 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.960 this is fundamental to his daily existence, this little course. 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:32.480 And then all these first tea kids from very diverse backgrounds, 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:34.640 you know, that's been it's been their portal into the game. 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.480 And then you have you know, retirees who they're in 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:39.240 the fifties and sixties and that's just where they like 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:42.439 to play because that's the community they I mean, the 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:44.560 fact that they get this beautiful new course at no 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:49.320 cost to them, the city gets, you know, an asset 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:51.720 massively upgraded at no cost to them. It's going to 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:55.000 generate more revenue. It's just a win win win for everyone. 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:58.440 And you know, I think people in golf have been 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:00.680 waiting for this leadership to come from the top down, 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:04.399 like let the USGA and the PG of America guide 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:08.720 us through how the game should evolve, but it's really 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:10.760 coming from the ground up. Like all these people you 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:14.200 name check, like they they are in the dirt. They're 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:17.600 the ones who are actually doing the work with the 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:20.680