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Speaker 1: Hay it's on seven acres and the Cradles on ten acres,

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Speaker 1: and Golden Gate is on like twenty two acres. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it really feels expansive. And there's some there's some long holes,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you know, if you're a good golfer,

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Speaker 1: you don't need to any woods, but you might watch

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Speaker 1: a five iron. You know, there's a couple there's like

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Speaker 1: a couple of hundred and eighty yard holes and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like real golf. It's not just a bunch of

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Speaker 1: little half wedges and super interesting greens. You have ocean

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Speaker 1: views up there at the top of the property. It's

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Speaker 1: really all you want. And I'm as excited about Golden

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Speaker 1: Gate in its own way as I am out Passe Tempo.

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Speaker 1: There are different experiences, but both are going to be just,

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Speaker 1: you know, fun factories. And it's just cool that the

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Speaker 1: local golf communities have made these things happen on their

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Speaker 1: own but all of us get to enjoy them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I.

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Speaker 2: Think too, you know, going on the list of people

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Speaker 2: who are having impact. But Adam Hike, the CEO of

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Speaker 2: Youth on Course, I was just at a Youth on

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Speaker 2: Course board meeting. I've served on honor to be part

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Speaker 2: of that board for the last three years, and I

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Speaker 2: tweeted out recently that they in twenty nineteen they had

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Speaker 2: one thousand and forty five courses signed up to participate

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Speaker 2: in a program in which, you know, all the course

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Speaker 2: has to say is, yeah, we're a part of this

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Speaker 2: program Youth on Course, and kids play for five dollars

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Speaker 2: or less, and then Youth on Course subsidizes the difference

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Speaker 2: between whatever they charge those kids and whatever they would

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Speaker 2: normally charge a junior green fee, so youth on courses

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Speaker 2: subsidizing kids to make sure that they have access to

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Speaker 2: these courses, you know, for five dollars or less. They've

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Speaker 2: doubled the number of courses in the last four years

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Speaker 2: and went from one thousand, forty five to two thousand

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Speaker 2: and thirty five. They've gone from seventy thousand members of

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Speaker 2: kids in twenty nineteen to one hundred and eighty nine

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Speaker 2: thousand members in twenty twenty three. They went from subsidizing

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Speaker 2: two hundred and four thousand rounds in twenty nineteen this

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Speaker 2: year they are up to seven hundred thousand subsidized rounds

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Speaker 2: of golf for kids playing for five dollars or less.

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Speaker 2: So you talk about like leadership, you know, and the

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Speaker 2: USGA has sniffed around on trying to be a part

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Speaker 2: of youthon course, but they wanted to kind of own

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Speaker 2: that concept and idea other big you know, uh sort

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Speaker 2: of you know, brands within the game have talked about, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, partnering with but but in the end it's

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Speaker 2: just been youthon courses.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Adam Hike started as an intern and he's now the CEO,

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Speaker 2: and look, you know the kind of impact that that

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Speaker 2: program is having. That's you know, it's it's one thing

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Speaker 2: to like throw up a bunch of commercials and use

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Speaker 2: hashtag grow the game. That's growing the game. Golden Gate

482
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Speaker 2: Park is growing the game. You know, Goldhill Park is

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Speaker 2: growing the game. You know, Canal Shores will grow the game.

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Speaker 2: Western Golf Association is helping kids not not only become

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Speaker 2: like golfers or caddies, but become great members of society.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I just think this is I get inspire,

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Speaker 2: like you know, every time to your point, going to

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Speaker 2: Golden Gate Park and walking around and listening and watching

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Speaker 2: and learning, I just I it makes me feel and

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Speaker 2: sharpens my focus on some of the good stuff happening

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Speaker 2: in this game around some of these courses, these municipalities,

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Speaker 2: the successibility and affordability and sustainability to your point being

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Speaker 2: ten acres, seven acres. I think of Davis Saysna who

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Speaker 2: started threes and other Part three coers. I mean, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to get to the news out of Abandon

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Speaker 2: Dunes at Shorties, which is another Part three course. But

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Speaker 2: this to me is it makes so much sense. And

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Speaker 2: ass I said, and I think the previous podcast after

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Speaker 2: the Colorado Basin water Summit, in which one person asked

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Speaker 2: the crowd, if we were to start building golf now,

501
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Speaker 2: what would it look like if we erase the slate

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Speaker 2: and started over, what would it look like? It would

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Speaker 2: look like Golden Gate Park and Goat Hill Park and

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Speaker 2: Canal Shore. It would be small, fun, accessible, sustainable, affordable, playable,

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Speaker 2: you know, on on smaller piece pieces of land. And

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Speaker 2: that's that's what I think deserves a lot of our time, energy,

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Speaker 2: attention and storytelling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Well, yeah, let's talk about shorties just

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Speaker 1: because there's something there's some there's some excitement around that

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Speaker 1: anything banned and related. And obviously we talk about golf

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Speaker 1: this century and part of why it's it's evolved in

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Speaker 1: such a positive way. Clearly Bannon is a huge force

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Speaker 1: in that, and it's almost a victim of its own

514
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Speaker 1: success because it's so crowd it's hard to get tea time.

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Speaker 1: They're building courses as fast as they can, and so

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Speaker 1: shorties will take some pressure off the preserve. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be another part of the recourse, and I think

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Speaker 1: maybe they want to make it visually a little different

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Speaker 1: than Preserve but whatever it's going to be, we know

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun. It's an awesome piece of ground there,

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Speaker 1: kind of those who have been to Bandon Trails when

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Speaker 1: you're playing the first hole and you're in those dunes

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Speaker 1: and the second really, I mean it's really kind of

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Speaker 1: just over the between those dunes and the coast, right

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Speaker 1: that's where Shorties is going to be pretty wild and wooly.

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Speaker 1: And what do you know about what's happening up as

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Speaker 1: Shorty's Matt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just that it's kind of coming online.

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Speaker 2: I've talked to Rod Whitman and Dave Axlin, along with

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Speaker 2: Keith Cutton. That is the team that ultimately got the job.

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Speaker 2: At one point, you know it was going to be

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Speaker 2: Tom Doak. I've heard a couple of different stories as

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Speaker 2: to how and why he isn't doing it, and they are.

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Speaker 2: I'll just save those for another time because at this

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Speaker 2: point I don't have them confirmed. But Dave Axelin, Rod Whitman,

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Speaker 2: and Keith Cutton, you know, and they were all part

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Speaker 2: of the Cabot team, so Cabot Links and Rod and

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Speaker 2: Dave worked on Cabot Cliffs. They are longtime Core and

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Speaker 2: Crenshaw associates. Dave Axlan worked on Bandon Trails, he didn't

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Speaker 2: work on Bandon Preserves, So as I told him, I'm

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Speaker 2: a big fan of your work for what you did

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Speaker 2: at Trails. Rod had never actually worked on Bandon Dunes.

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Speaker 2: He'd been out there, but he had never had been

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Speaker 2: a part of any of the Corn Crenshaw products. But

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Speaker 2: can you imagine these guys having just sort of formed

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Speaker 2: this new partnership fairly recently, not unlike what Keith reb

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Speaker 2: and Riley Johns have done. They continue to work for

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Speaker 2: Bill and Ben, but they also take projects on the

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Speaker 2: side and work for themselves. Nineteen hole par three course,

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Speaker 2: the shortest being somewhere around fifty sixty yards puddable, the

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Speaker 2: longest being one hundred and fifty to one hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty yards. There'll be a lot of variety, not unlike

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Speaker 2: at preserve. You can kind of choose your own tea locations.

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Speaker 2: Wild and wooly would be a good way of describing

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Speaker 2: that land. Dave Axelon said, the land itself and that

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Speaker 2: Dun's land. He called it a nine out of ten.

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Speaker 2: And then the challenge being how do you make a

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Speaker 2: golf course that lives up to that level of land.

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Speaker 2: You know, He's like, you know, it's actually sometimes you know,

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Speaker 2: the pressure is on when you're A you're abandon B.

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Speaker 2: You're in this portfolio of these great architects and architecture,

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Speaker 2: you know, Mike Kaiser's you know, legacy a big portion

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Speaker 2: of it, and and your has to put in, you know,

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Speaker 2: putting a nineteen whole part three course. So you know,

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Speaker 2: Dave Axent was like, and they're so humble, these guys,

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Speaker 2: you know, shocking guys that work with Corn Crench aw

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Speaker 2: are super humble. But like to talk to Rod Whitman,

568
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Speaker 2: who you know Sam Houston you know in college from

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Speaker 2: Canada and Uh used to go out to pizza with

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Speaker 2: Bill cor Bill Corr was a superintendent at the golf

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Speaker 2: course that Sam Houston played at. Rod Whitman would show

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Speaker 2: up with holes in the bottom of his shoes, not

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Speaker 2: enough money to even buy the pizza they were eating, UH,

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Speaker 2: and they would talk about how they both wanted to

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Speaker 2: sort of get into architecture. It's one of the great stories.

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Speaker 2: I told it in a podcast. They actually tell it

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Speaker 2: in a podcast that we did on the Building a

578
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Speaker 2: bit Bill and Ben the partnership and the and the

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Speaker 2: and the and the company, and so to talk to

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Speaker 2: Rod and Dave and to listen to their humility and

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Speaker 2: the sort of their their honor and in the opportunity

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Speaker 2: that they had to do what they did at Bandon

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Speaker 2: Uh is just a very sweet and refreshing reality. And

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Speaker 2: I'm very happy again for them for this kind of

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Speaker 2: opportunity that they've had to do this. They there's no

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Speaker 2: real set, definitive date for the opening of Shorties. They

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Speaker 2: are taking reservations for sort of July on in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. There may or may not be an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to open that sooner. That'll depend on the growing and

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Speaker 2: the weather and all that kind of stuff. So they

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Speaker 2: didn't really get a chance to have preview play this year.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure how they'll handle preview play at the

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Speaker 2: start of you know, or the late spring into the

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Speaker 2: summer of next year. But it is, as you say,

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Speaker 2: kind of that west of number two and three of trails.

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Speaker 2: For the last few years you've been off the second

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Speaker 2: tea of Trails, you've been able to see like a

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Speaker 2: little pin flag out there. That was the only indication

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Speaker 2: that that was what was coming. A lot of the

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Speaker 2: people who've been out there say that these are some

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Speaker 2: of the best views of any course on property. So

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Speaker 2: think about that for a segment.

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Speaker 1: I feel like on that first hole, I've pumped a

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Speaker 1: few of my drives out into the shorties property. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: why is that the whole's always got that fierce win.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, it kept.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's one of the hardest opening drives

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Speaker 1: in golf. But that's just me. I'm a month away,

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Speaker 1: actually less from flying down to Melbourne for for Ogilvie's tournament,

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Speaker 1: the Sam Belt Classic, which is another of the really

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Speaker 1: cool events and the sport that brings together a really

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Speaker 1: diverse group of people and it's all for a great cause.

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Speaker 1: So yeah that as you said earlier, I mean JEF

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Speaker 1: Justin Thomas wants more positive stories. He should just pay

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Speaker 1: attention to the fire pit channels, because what we're all about,

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Speaker 1: it's telling these these feel good tales. Shout out JT.

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Speaker 1: Love that guy. So I think this time that the

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Speaker 1: time has come to release the listeners. We appreciate you

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Speaker 1: guys sticking around and falling on with this little podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's always tough to talk about and we'll keep filling

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Speaker 1: up your your inbox and your your whole. That sounds inappropriate,

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Speaker 1: but for Matt Janella this is Alan Schipnak. That was

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Speaker 1: another fire drill. Thanks for listening. And this is the end.

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Speaker 3: I'm bed big and I played the wind, made a fortune.

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Speaker 3: When my ship came in, I ran the table. Never

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Speaker 3: thought I could fall down in the winter time. Hit

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Speaker 3: me like a cannon in the ball and now I

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Speaker 3: can't shape this, losing the streak. Every road I take

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Speaker 3: is a dead end street. I got thoughts in my head,

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Speaker 3: can't get them out, trying not to think what I'm

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Speaker 3: thinking about. I've got the thoughts in my head.

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Speaker 2: I can't get them.

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Speaker 3: Out, trying not to think what I'm thinking about.

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