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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where sometimes it's about the players

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Speaker 1: who didn't get picked. I'm Greg Rosenthal here on night

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Speaker 1: two of the NFL Draft. Rounds two and three are

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Speaker 1: in the books, and I am thrilled to be joined

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Speaker 1: for the first time this week by our friend Nick Shook.

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Speaker 1: Welcome from Cleveland, who is in the mix tonight with quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: but not the one we would have expected.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they got in the mix throughout the night. Obviously

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Speaker 2: there's a big attention on them because of quarterback, but

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Speaker 2: a shocker of sorts near the back end of the

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Speaker 2: third round that I'm sure we're going to get into that.

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Speaker 2: I'm also sure nobody saw coming. Right.

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Speaker 3: You want to lead the show with Dylan Gabriel, go

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 1: You just wrote a post Nick is on NFL dot

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Speaker 1: com right now like pounded out posts, And yes, it

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Speaker 1: was kind of the appropriate code to a night that

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Speaker 1: I think will be remembered because Shador Sanders didn't get drafted,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get into some of the reasons why. And

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Speaker 1: I don't want the whole show to be about should

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Speaker 1: or we'll go through the other teams and all the

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Speaker 1: interesting picks throughout the night kind of give you some

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Speaker 1: highlights and winners, some losers, all of that. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think it we're making too big of a deal

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Speaker 1: of it to talk about one of the most well

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Speaker 1: known players in college football over the last few years,

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Speaker 1: that was on a lot of big boards, in the

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Speaker 1: top twenty five, a contensus first round pick at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: who falls this far. It's not just because his last

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Speaker 1: name at Sanders. It's because of an entire ecosystem that

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Speaker 1: not only maybe evaluated him in a way that was

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Speaker 1: unfair to him and was wrong, but an entire league

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Speaker 1: that just says, like, we don't even want you as

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Speaker 1: our backup. We would rather have Jalen Milroe and Dylan

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Speaker 1: Gabriel and Shoulder Serranders will wind up on a team

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. But just kind of your thoughts watching the

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Speaker 1: whole night.

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Speaker 2: Transpire like that, it was definitely pretty shocking. You know,

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Speaker 2: it was not entirely surprising that he didn't go last night,

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Speaker 2: but I thought at some point, perhaps even at thirty

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Speaker 2: three at the Browns and the Clock, that he would

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Speaker 2: be in play. I know a lot of the TV

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Speaker 2: talk was centered around the fact that he didn't go

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Speaker 2: in the first round, that he would be one of

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Speaker 2: the top people to pay attention to going into Day

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Speaker 2: two or Night two of the draft. And now that

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Speaker 2: we're at the end of Night two and he's still available, well,

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Speaker 2: now we kind of have to pick up the pieces

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Speaker 2: and figure out why. We really won't know why at

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Speaker 2: least for a while. At some point we'll find out.

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Speaker 2: But yes, definitely a shock as we get to day

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Speaker 2: three tomorrow and he's still not taken.

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Speaker 3: Like multiple things can be true.

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Speaker 1: He's not as physically talented or exciting in some ways

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Speaker 1: as a Jalen Milroe or even a Tyler Shuck, and

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Speaker 1: you can see why individual teams preferred Shuck. You can

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Speaker 1: see that Kellen Moore would see Shuck as his kind

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Speaker 1: of quarterback. He also is a guy that I think

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Speaker 1: teams probably look at and it's not about his personality,

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Speaker 1: it's about being worried about can we handle it? And

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Speaker 1: they're almost, as Patrick Claiban would say on Blue Sky Tonight,

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Speaker 1: afraid to compete, like they would rather take a guy

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Speaker 1: have to deal with any questions that come with Shoudar Sanders,

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Speaker 1: and ultimately picks like that do.

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Speaker 3: Happen in NFL drafts.

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Speaker 1: It's not always players as famous as Shouldar Sanders. But

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Speaker 1: it's also weak sauce to me. You know, Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 3: Front of him.

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Speaker 2: Now, I agree, and I understand that there are questions

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Speaker 2: And it's not a great quarterback class to begin with,

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Speaker 2: and that's probably part of why we saw him elevated

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Speaker 2: in last year's class. He's not in those top four

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Speaker 2: But you're absolutely right in the fact that teams are

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Speaker 2: And you know, not to turn it back to Cleveland,

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Speaker 2: But when I was with them with the Browns, that

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Speaker 2: won't know for a while exactly why so many teams

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Speaker 1: There really were fewer teams I think, that were in

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Speaker 3: But let's go to Tyler Shuck.

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Speaker 1: When a guy like Tyler Shuck gets taken fortieth overall,

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Speaker 1: it does remind you that this is a premium position

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Speaker 1: that gets pushed up drafts. Tyler Schuck goes to the

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Speaker 1: Saints at forty. He is older than Brock Perdy. My

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Speaker 1: This is a guy in Shuck that had a ton

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Speaker 3: Maybe it was to me privately. I don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: look at Shuck and I see a guy with injury

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Speaker 1: history that absolutely crumbles when pressure is around him in

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Speaker 1: in a quarterback pocket presence. Every NFL quarterback can handle,

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Speaker 1: and I think Tyler Shuck might be their Week one

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Speaker 1: Shuck told me they don't expect Derek Carr back. I

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Speaker 2: If that happens, well, yeah, because there are some terns

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Speaker 2: about his availability. Right, But Greg, I'm old enough to remember,

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Speaker 2: and I've been in this game long enough now to

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Speaker 2: remember when Tyler Schuck was lighting up at the Elite

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Speaker 2: was like, this is such a good get for the Ducks.

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Speaker 2: This is so I remember when I'm listening to back

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Speaker 2: when there was a PAC twelve network, Yogi Roth talking

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Speaker 2: And yet the first person I think of and that

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Speaker 2: this is gonna be the common comp is going to be, well,

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Speaker 2: the Browns once spend a first round pick on Brandon Weed,

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Speaker 2: and so it can't be that bad. Well, it can

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Speaker 2: be that bad if you have no other options. But

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Speaker 2: then again, we're also in a world in which you

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Speaker 2: can spend the fortieth overall pick on a quarterback be bad,

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Speaker 1: That is what I was saying when I think like

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Speaker 1: they might have just drafted a bridge quarterback fortieth overall

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Speaker 1: and there's not allow a reason to believe the Saints

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Speaker 1: in the quarterback market a year from now and you'll

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Speaker 1: have like a reasonably priced back up.

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Speaker 3: It's not that crazy.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth because

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Speaker 1: I always say take a quarterback every year until you

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Speaker 1: he's more talented than Brandon Whedon. You know who he

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Speaker 3: A guy by the name of a Car, how about that.

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Speaker 1: Coming out of Fresno State, Carr was a better prospect,

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Speaker 1: guy that I've never like loved watching because he doesn't

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Speaker 1: Reportedly he asked for a raise earlier this offseason that

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Speaker 1: But if you told me this adventure ends with Derek

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Speaker 1: Carr being a backup somewhere Cleveland, I don't know. Cleveland

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Speaker 1: has too many quarterbacks now, Like in August, after someone

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Speaker 3: That kind of is how I see that ending.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think Tyler Shuck is like the second

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Speaker 1: most likely you know rookie to be starting like week one.

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Speaker 1: If I was going like which rookie is starting earliest, Himmer, Jackson, Dart,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because of the situation with car that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Although I will say I don't think the Browns have

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Speaker 2: beyond the drive even after Dylan Gabriel. You have we

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Speaker 2: got Joe, Joe Flacco, and Dylan Gabriel. And in the

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Speaker 2: this time with the you know, assorted family members, all

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Speaker 2: I got was a million questions about Joe Flacco. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to see they got Joe Flacco back, and

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Speaker 2: I had to disappoint all of them in one fell

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Speaker 2: is not going to happen again. One of those guys,

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Speaker 2: not Dylan Gabriel. Less it's an abject disaster which they

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Speaker 2: don't expect is going to be expendable if a better

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Speaker 3: Don't forget Kenny. Kenny Pickett is there as well.

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Speaker 1: And yes, Dylan Gabriel shout out to the to the

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: One of the first comments we got tonight, if you're

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Speaker 3: I totally agree with that.

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Speaker 1: We did our guys on forties in free agents, nick

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Speaker 1: it would be my platonic ideal of a quarterback controversy

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Speaker 1: Those were the quarterbacks, the notable ones that end up going.

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Speaker 2: term plan at the position because you have the quarterback

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Speaker 2: so you can afford to spend on weapons for him

437
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Speaker 2: and just try him out and see who fits and

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Speaker 2: who doesn't. Overall, solid pick picks for them. I liked

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Speaker 2: most of their draft to this point. Now, granted we're

440
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Speaker 2: only through three rounds, but got to give him a

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Speaker 2: tip of the captain, Nick Caserio. I thought he had

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Speaker 2: a good night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think they probably wanted to come out of this

445
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Speaker 1: draft with more offensive linemen. And ERSII was a guy who,

446
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Speaker 1: as Jeremiah said on the broadcast, was divisive and he

447
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Speaker 1: he's pretty kind in the way he talks about things

448
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Speaker 1: on the on the broadcast, and to me, that was

449
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Speaker 1: a guy where some teams just thought he couldn't play

450
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Speaker 1: football and other teams were going to draft him in

451
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Speaker 1: the second round, that he was extremely raw and will

452
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Speaker 1: have to be coached up. And when they traded out

453
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Speaker 1: of the first round right after who was it Donovan

454
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Speaker 1: Jackson got taken right in front of them. I thought

455
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Speaker 1: that was, like, man, all the offensive linemen got taken

456
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Speaker 1: before we could get one, and so they ended up

457
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Speaker 1: getting some exciting weapons tonight. But Higgins is a really

458
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Speaker 1: intriguing player, and so's Jalen Noel. I'm more excited to

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Speaker 1: watch the Texans than I was yesterday, And to me,

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Speaker 1: that's a success for day two of the draft. Let's

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Speaker 1: tuck Cowboys Donovan Ezeraku, one of my guys some value

462
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Speaker 1: there in the second round, the pass rusher from Boston College.

463
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Speaker 1: And then Revel the cornerback who you know, some people

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Speaker 1: might thought might go in the second round, maybe even

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Speaker 1: the first round.

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Speaker 3: He falls through the third round.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys actually had a draft to me, other than that,

468
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Speaker 1: you had the Tyler Booker pick, which people do not expect.

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Speaker 1: But the day too, they made picks where if the

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Speaker 1: Eagles had made him or the Ravens had made them,

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Speaker 1: everyone would have been like, oh, wow, that's Howie Be

472
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Speaker 1: and Howie again that that's that's the Ravens doing what

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Speaker 1: they do. They took really premium talent at positions they

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Speaker 1: absolutely need that fell further than expected, and I thought

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Speaker 1: they got better today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought the Ezraraka pick was interesting because he

477
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Speaker 2: was still available. I thought the Falcons probably could have

478
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Speaker 2: waited for somebody like that before they traded back in

479
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Speaker 2: the first round to take, you know, two guys on

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Speaker 2: the first night of the draft. So Cowboys getting good

481
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Speaker 2: value there. I love the Booker pick yesterday. You knew

482
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Speaker 2: that was one of my guys going into it. So

483
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Speaker 2: and it's interesting in this draft that you know, we

484
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Speaker 2: talked about the secondary, and we talked more about safeties

485
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Speaker 2: than corners. It's not a great cornerback draft, but a

486
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Speaker 2: lot of the corners that end up going later are

487
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Speaker 2: either guys that fell because of past injury concerns or

488
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Speaker 2: some worry in one area or another. Like another team

489
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Speaker 2: that running get two later, they took a corner out

490
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Speaker 2: of Florida State that was like, oh, well, you know,

491
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Speaker 2: he didn't run a good forty, but the tape looks

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Speaker 2: really good. So not like a perfect complete valualuation or

493
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Speaker 2: picture on most of these guys, and yet there's still

494
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Speaker 2: value there. So I think the Cowboys, for where they

495
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Speaker 2: were picking throughout the draft, didn't make any drastic moves,

496
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Speaker 2: but picked according to need and guys available and did

497
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Speaker 2: a very good job of balancing the two and these

498
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Speaker 2: are two examples of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Shavon Revel Junior. I was trying to make

500
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Speaker 1: I was just making sure I didn't. I always want

501
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Speaker 1: to call him Sharon for some reason. But Shavon Revel

502
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Speaker 1: Junior out of East Carolina. And yeah, the Cowboys have

503
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Speaker 1: multiple picks. By the way, one of our people in

504
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Speaker 1: the chap point out in the fifth, sixth, and then

505
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Speaker 1: three picks in the seventh. Maybe they're a shad Or team.

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Speaker 1: I think they would. I think they fit the type

507
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Speaker 1: of team that would make sense. Obviously there's the Jerry

508
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Speaker 1: Jones and Dion Sanders connection, but I think at this

509
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Speaker 1: point he makes sense on a team that has a

510
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Speaker 1: secure starting quarterback and doesn't mind a little bit of

511
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Speaker 1: noise or feels like they can handle that, so that

512
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys fit there. I thought the Raiders had an

513
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Speaker 1: interesting night just because they kept trading down over and

514
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Speaker 1: over and over again. And it just reminded me when

515
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Speaker 1: we had John spy Tech, their new GM on and

516
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Speaker 1: he was just saying how precious those draft picks were

517
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Speaker 1: to him, and so you know, it hurt them a

518
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Speaker 1: little bit to draft Gino Smith. I mean to trade

519
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Speaker 1: the pick away for Gino Smith, And they ended up

520
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Speaker 1: picking up a ton of picks and then just trying

521
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Speaker 1: to fill needs by taking a bunch of guys later

522
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Speaker 1: in the draft. So they trade down and down and

523
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Speaker 1: down and pick up a couple of picks in this

524
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Speaker 1: class and in next year's class, and they end up

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Speaker 1: with Jack Besh the wide receiver out of TCU, Darien Porter,

526
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Speaker 1: the cornerback out of Iowa State, Caleb Rodgers, a guard

527
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Speaker 1: out of Texas Tech, Charles Grant kind of a boomer

528
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Speaker 1: Bus tackle out of William and Mary. And my point

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Speaker 1: here is like they just feel like they have a

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Speaker 1: ton of moves, And I thought they came into the

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Speaker 1: day with a plan to try to really get a

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Speaker 1: lot of players when they didn't have a lot of

533
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Speaker 1: picks coming into the day, and they wound up doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a successful way of trading down, acquiring more capital,

535
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Speaker 2: and spending it accordingly. Now, there's no guarantee that, you know,

536
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Speaker 2: some of these late round, late third round picks end

537
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Speaker 2: up panning out, but the idea is it's kind of

538
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Speaker 2: throwing Spagheti at the wall and seeing with sticks, especially

539
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Speaker 2: with these two compensatory picks that they did use on

540
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Speaker 2: Rogers and Grant. I'm just really happy that they got

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Speaker 2: a receiver because they had like the smallest receiving corps

542
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Speaker 2: in the NFL last year, and every time I looked

543
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Speaker 2: at their roster in the last couple of months, I

544
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Speaker 2: was just like, God, please add another receiver for Gino

545
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Speaker 2: Smith outside of Jacoby Myers. So I'm glad that they

546
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Speaker 2: picked up one there, and they are now an intriguing

547
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Speaker 2: team to watch on Day three just because they still

548
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Speaker 2: have what eight more six more picks. Mental math is

549
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Speaker 2: hard in order to kind of wrap up this class

550
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Speaker 2: Bithics for his class, so very interesting to watch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Raiders are doing a good job.

552
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Speaker 1: You can see the difference. Ian by the way, reported

553
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Speaker 1: that the Titans and the Raiders traded out right after

554
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Speaker 1: Jayden Higgins got taken, so he is saying his information,

555
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Speaker 1: if he's putting that out there, was that they were

556
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Speaker 1: Jaden Higgins teams potentially both the Titans and the Raiders,

557
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Speaker 1: which would make sense in terms of their needed and

558
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Speaker 1: it is interesting. I think you look back at the

559
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Speaker 1: wide receiver class in Higgins's size and potential downfield ability.

560
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Speaker 1: I think he ended up being a little more highly

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Speaker 1: thought of by NFL teams and kind of being as

562
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Speaker 1: strong what would he be wide receiver five in this class,

563
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Speaker 1: like a strong guy that was not going to end

564
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Speaker 1: up lasting too long. So I have good news for

565
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Speaker 1: the Patriots, awesome draft by them. But I have bad

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Speaker 1: news that I'm going to start with, and that's that

567
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Speaker 1: the Jets are a well run organization now like they

568
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Speaker 1: have they I mean, they just feel like they have

569
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Speaker 1: adults with a vision running their team right now, being

570
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Speaker 1: allowed to do what they want to do. I love

571
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Speaker 1: the armand Membu pick. I liked it better than Will Campbell.

572
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Speaker 1: I love the Mason Taylor pick, the tight end out

573
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Speaker 1: of LSU in the second round. And then you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Azariah Thomas, the Florida State cornerback, who to me is

575
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Speaker 1: a perfect Aaron Glenn type of cornerback. I just feel

576
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Speaker 1: like the Jets are doing a really good job and

577
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Speaker 1: I can just see the types of guys that they want,

578
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Speaker 1: and man, I think we just have a good feeling

579
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Speaker 1: about what the Jets are doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, only three picks spent through three rounds, but all

581
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Speaker 2: three value picks that I think are proper for what

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Speaker 2: they needed. Like, first pick comes off the board last

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Speaker 2: night and I'm in the slack. Good job Jets. Second

584
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Speaker 2: pick comes off the board tonight, Mason Taylor, Good job

585
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Speaker 2: Jets as array of Thomas, Good job Jets. And that's

586
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Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, where he didn't run the fast forty,

587
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Speaker 2: but he's sudden on tape. You know, he sudden in

588
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Speaker 2: terms of closing speeds pecsue when he drives down the ball,

589
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Speaker 2: bigger corner can get physical. They need that type of

590
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Speaker 2: presence in that secondary, and they really needed a tight end.

591
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Speaker 2: All those mock drafts coming into Tyler Warren's going to

592
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Speaker 2: go to them for sure in the first round, doesn't happen.

593
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Speaker 2: Colston Lovelin's going to go to them in the first round,

594
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Speaker 2: doesn't happen. They end up getting another really good, really

595
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Speaker 2: polished tight end who I think is just scratching the

596
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Speaker 2: surface in Mason Taylor, and immediately fill that need. They

597
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Speaker 2: also now have bookend tackles, having spent two first round

598
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Speaker 2: picks on tackles in the last two years. This is

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Speaker 2: how you build a good football team. And this is

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Speaker 2: a football team that has been too attracted by the

601
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Speaker 2: shiny diamond in the corner that ends up being fools

602
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Speaker 2: gold looking at you, Aaron Rodgers. And now they've kind

603
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Speaker 2: of reset themselves under new leadership and they're doing the

604
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Speaker 2: right things so far.

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Speaker 1: So I just think they underside board. They understood the

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Speaker 1: board that I don't know if they liked Elijah Royo

607
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Speaker 1: or not. Obviously you have to accept that maybe we're

608
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Speaker 1: not going to get Mason Taylor or the tight end

609
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Speaker 1: we want. Maybe they like Terrence Ferguson, who's a tight

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Speaker 1: end that the Rams ended up taking in the second

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Speaker 1: round that I think the league was a little higher

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Speaker 1: on than some of the consensus boards out there in

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Speaker 1: the Rams. By the way, while we're on it, you know,

614
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Speaker 1: said to Rich eisen Less, Sneed said, or was it

615
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Speaker 1: to Dan and Jeremiah that yeah, they really thought the

616
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Speaker 1: player that they wanted at twenty six was probably going

617
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Speaker 1: to be there at forty six, and then they took

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Speaker 1: Terrence Ferguson. I think they just love themselves some Terrence Ferguson.

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Speaker 1: But my point about the Jets is like they understood

620
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Speaker 1: the tackle market was totally desolate after the first round.

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Speaker 1: I think that the Texans might have reached a little

622
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Speaker 1: bit for ursery, and then it got really grim and

623
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Speaker 1: people just kept, you know, taking tackles, even though like

624
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Speaker 1: the drop off is believed to be really big, whereas

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Speaker 1: the drop off to Mason Taylor, I don't think is

626
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Speaker 1: as big. I think he's gonna play a lot. I

627
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Speaker 1: think Azareah Thomas is going to play a lot in

628
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Speaker 1: the NFL. All right, we've wasted enough time. Let's just

629
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Speaker 1: mention that I had a chance on the podcast with

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah to pick my two favorite players going into

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Speaker 1: the draft, and I just like watching Jalen Milroe play.

632
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what kind of career he has, but

633
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Speaker 1: I wanted to plant my flag on Kyle Williams, Washington

634
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: state wide receiver. I just did not understand why he

635
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Speaker 1: was not viewed as a top five receiver in this class.

636
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Speaker 1: His ability to just explode at in terms of his speed,

637
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Speaker 1: but his movement ability to throttle down and up, that

638
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: to me is like the type of guy a little

639
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: like Jordan Addison. I was like, to me, he's like

640
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: a guy that gets taken in the first round. Normally

641
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: he ends up falling all the way to the top

642
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: of the third round. They also took ye boy Traveon Henderson,

643
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Speaker 1: the running back out of Ohio State, at the top

644
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: of the second round, like positional value. I wasn't sure,

645
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 1: but I do get the idea of let's just build

646
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: and get premiere weapons around Drake May and they just

647
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: thought he was better than any wide receiver that was

648
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Speaker 1: available there. And then you look that they got the

649
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: value Kyle Williams in the third round. I think that

650
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Speaker 1: ended up being perfect for them because I think the

651
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: drop off at running back was bigger. And then you

652
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: add a really athletic tackle in Jared Wilson from Georgia

653
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: who just is incredibly high upside, and we'll see if

654
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: that works out. But he's kind of the high upside

655
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: pick where I wasn't thrilled with the Will Campbell pick. Well,

656
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: here's a high upside guy late in your third round.

657
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: So I am excited that they are going all offense.

658
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: Good job by it.

659
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: At the Patriots, I was really hoping you had mentioned

660
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: Wilson because, as I've told you many times before, and

661
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: I will reinforce right now, there are a few guys

662
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: at every combine. Sometimes there are more than others that

663
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: just move differently and you can just see it from

664
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: the stands and you can tell that that guy's going

665
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: to be good at the next level. And the guy

666
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 2: this year for me, among maybe all all the linemen,

667
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: was Jared Wilson the center. To see them get him

668
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: in the third round was massive because we knew the

669
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,479
Speaker 2: offensive line issues they've dealt with. You got to protect

670
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: your quarterback, You got to have kind of a nerve

671
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: center for your offensive line. The guy who's calling out

672
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: all the blocking and everything and identifying the mic. That's

673
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: your center. That's Jared Wilson. That is my favorite pick

674
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: out of all of them for them, because, like you said,

675
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: you know, positional value at that point. With Henderson, I'm

676
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: not so certain certain unless you're trying to build a

677
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: two headed.

678
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a Buckeye guy. What do you think about him?

679
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: What do you think?

680
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: I mean? I think he's he's a he has a

681
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: you know, I think about he's got a little bit

682
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: of Nick chubbing him in the top gear, the top

683
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: gear in the breakaway speed is definitely there.

684
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: He's a home run hitter. Yes hit, Sorry I cut

685
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: you off like he never was the guy. So I

686
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: guess he fits with Ramandre.

687
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: Well, he wasn't the guy because he got hurt a

688
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: lot at Ohio State, but when he was healthy, he

689
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: was able to break off the big runs due it twice.

690
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: Maybe the reason they had to bring in Quinchin john

691
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: Gins because they're because college is like the NFL now,

692
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: and you just bring in players from other teams missed

693
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: in terms of dunkins. He couldn't handle the load, so

694
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: that worries me a little. He has a unique still

695
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: set and that he's a home run hitter. I don't

696
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: think like he has a natural what I like, which

697
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: is the natural feel of like making people miss in

698
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: small areas.

699
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: Does he have that sort of vision. I don't know.

700
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: But he's an incredible pass protector. Maurice Jones Drew talked

701
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: about it that Eric b Enemy was sending him texts

702
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: late at night of just like, watch this guy in

703
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: pass pro.

704
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 3: So he's going to be a great guy.

705
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: And it's coming from MJD who had one of the

706
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: greatest pass pro highlights in the history of running backs

707
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: in the NFL.

708
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: Right, and so he and he's good on third downs.

709
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: He's a good receiver too, So that's a great skill

710
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: set to have. You have two different three down backs

711
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: and him and reminded comple. It's also, though, what happens

712
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 1: when you keep replacing decision makers? And I know in

713
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: theory Elliot Wolf is still there. I mean he is

714
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: still there. He's a voice that's in the room. But

715
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: by all accounts, according to the reporters there, Greg Badard,

716
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: for instance, of the Boston Sports Journal, that team is

717
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: run by Mike Rabel, and that team is run by

718
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: I think it's Cowden. And you know the two guys

719
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: that Mike Rabel brought in, who are his guys and

720
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: they're making decisions. So Romandre gets a huge contract lats June.

721
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't think Mike Rabel would have necessarily given him

722
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: that contract. There's no point in getting off that contract.

723
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: Now.

724
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: He's a useful player, and I'm excited they went and

725
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: they tried to help out my boy. I think Kyle

726
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: Williams is going to be a lot better than Jalen Polk.

727
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: Ryan in the chat says, I also love the Patriots draft.

728
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: Greg can hate on Campbell all he wants. The draft

729
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: has been great. Oh yeah, the Patriots are gonna win

730
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 1: draft grades this year, you know. And I love that

731
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: I hope it all works out. I don't put a

732
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: lot into draft grades, but I do I like the

733
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: thought process behind it going all offense. You know another

734
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: year where they won a lot of draft grades. I

735
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: believe it was twenty nineteen, the year after they won

736
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl ended up being like one of.

737
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: The worst drafts of all time.

738
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Steelers tonight, and this is a

739
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: bigger trend. George Pickens still on the team. This is

740
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: true of a lot of the veterans out there. If

741
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: they're going to be traded, it's going to be on

742
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: Day three, or it's going to be after the draft,

743
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: because no one's been traded. Patrick Ramsey is still on

744
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: I mean the Jalen Ramsey is still on the Dolphins.

745
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: Shout out to Patrick Ramsey, Classic two Lane, two thousand

746
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: and two. Dyer Alexander He's still on the Packers. Kirk

747
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: Cousins is still on the Falcons, and Dallas Goddard still

748
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: on the Eagles. But while Pickens is still there, and

749
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: I'm not sure because we saw a report that they're

750
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: kind of open for business on him, it really sounds

751
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: like after they passed on Shudar Sanders, a number of time,

752
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: a couple of times tonight that they are confident it's

753
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: going to be Aaron Rodgers. This is what Art Rooney

754
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: said on Steelers Nation Radio. We're getting the same signals

755
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: that we've been getting recently. He does not want he

756
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: does want to come here, So I do think we

757
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: may get word soon. He also said, by the way,

758
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: if we took a QB, it would not be someone

759
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: we would want to play right away.

760
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: It would be a developmental.

761
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: QB at this point, right But he said that in

762
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: the middle of the second round. But yeah, you sort

763
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: of gave that away. That's the owner of the team,

764
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: And maybe that means Rogers was waiting to make sure

765
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: the draft didn't get funky, that they didn't take like

766
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: shitter in the first round.

767
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: He didnt want to deal with that. Who knows. They

768
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: sound confident he's joining the team.

769
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: I mean, as you've waited long enough, you better be.

770
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: You've kind of backed yourself into a corner where your

771
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: entire stock, your entire wagon has hitched to Aaron Rodgers

772
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: forty one year old horse. But I mean, okay, all right,

773
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: that solves one of the issues. And they don't have

774
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: a lot of picks to work with. They've made two

775
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 2: picks so far, and I like both of their picks.

776
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 2: Derek Carmon when they drafted him, I was like, oh sweet,

777
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: Now Kim Hayward can actually, like seriously entertain retiring in

778
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: the near future if he wants to, instead of just

779
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: being the guy who's like, yeah, I'll continue playing because

780
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: I'm still good and you don't have any other options here.

781
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: And then Caleb Johnson the running back. They add a

782
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: bruiser of a back that kind of fits their mold.

783
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: They let Naujy go and then they replace him with him,

784
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: so that's fine. But this is all quarterback driven, of course.

785
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: And after passing on quarterbacks, you know, twice and not

786
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 2: moving up to get one, you're right. It is Aaron Rodgers,

787
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: and I hope it goes better for them than he

788
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: did for the Jets. That's all.

789
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: It can't go much worse, but I'm not overly optimistic.

790
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 3: We'll see.

791
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: Caleb Johnson is such a predictable Steelers pick that they

792
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: just look like the best straight line, downhill running back

793
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: from the Big ten that was available at eighty three.

794
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: He's a bit of a home run hitter, maybe not

795
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: my flavor. Again, maybe I have a certain type where

796
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: he's not making you miss in a small area, but.

797
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 3: In a perfect world he would be.

798
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not Naja Harris either in terms of

799
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: like breaking tackles, but he certainly could be more of

800
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: a home run hitter and a guy you use to

801
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: pick up yards and in short yardage. Let's just throw

802
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: out some other picks that just like stuck out to

803
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: us as we wrap this thing up, and I got

804
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: a bunch and we'll just go back and forth. Like

805
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: Will Johnson, the Michigan cornerback ends up falling to the

806
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: Cardinals in the middle of the second round. Apparently it

807
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: was medical concerns his knee and maybe not great tape

808
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: in his last year at Michigan, but really sounds like

809
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: it was more like his knee that. I love that though,

810
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: in terms of if you're going to take a risk

811
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: on an injured guy middle of the second round, for

812
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: a guy who could have been CB one in this class.

813
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do it later. You do it when the

814
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: risk is less, when the potential for blowing a high

815
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: value pick is less, and you hope that he can

816
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: get healthy and get back to who he was before

817
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: and then suddenly you look like a genius. It's as

818
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 2: simple as that. So he was one of the best

819
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 2: Michigan corners in recent years, like Mikey Sanders still ends

820
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: up with Washington last year and I think Will Johnson

821
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: was a better corner than him. So good for them.

822
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: We'll see if it pay, if it pans out. You know,

823
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: it's all health driven and it makes a ton of sense.

824
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: That's that's I mean, this is why we do the

825
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 2: combine in Indie because the hospitals are all right there

826
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 2: and the medicals are the most important thing that they

827
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: can get. Obviously that cost some concern, but you know,

828
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 2: at that point in the second round, you take that risk.

829
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: You know, what the draft is partly about for me

830
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: after going through like the content cycle for so many years,

831
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: is I can see what we're going to be talking

832
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: about now for the next four months because we don't

833
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: have regular season football for a while here, and the

834
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: thing like, no, it's good, we.

835
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: Could all use a little bit of a breather.

836
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: But the Cardinals defense is something that I'm going to

837
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: talk too much about, and I don't want to get

838
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: off that take because my first instinct is right the

839
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: amount of people that are extremely talented that they have

840
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: added to this defense, which is already schemed up great

841
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: is awesome. I mean, you add Josh Sweat, you add

842
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: Kalayis Campbell, you bring back some injured players in terms

843
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: of bj Ojala, you have Baron Browning, and then you've

844
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: got to add what to me was the most talented

845
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in this class in Walter Nolan in the

846
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: first round, and then one of the most talented cornerbacks

847
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: in the class. And Will Johnson is just like, this

848
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: is a go time season for the Cardinals. I'm excited

849
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: and I have a feeling that I won't be the

850
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: only one with that.

851
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: Yea. That is, we'll have to say goodbye to the

852
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 2: best nickname ever coined on NFL Daily, which is the

853
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: search bar, because you're not gonna need to look up.

854
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 3: Not a long history. We're not to one year on.

855
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: You talk about that in the history of NFL Daily

856
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: was just give it its praise.

857
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 3: I agree.

858
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: Dalvin Tomlinson, by the way, I was like, I'm know,

859
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting one kind of interesting free agent they added.

860
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: Dalvin Tomlinson is an Arizona Cardo. Luther Burden is a

861
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: Carolina Panther, you know, going into this season, thought maybe

862
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: was the top wide receiver prospect along with t mac

863
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: tep McMillan, and he ends up with the Chicago Bears.

864
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: I misspoke there.

865
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: I was thinking how he was part of the Bryce

866
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: Young trade, and so the Bears end up adding another weapon.

867
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily see them taking a wide receiver so high,

868
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: but they wind up taking Luther Burden to add to

869
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: Colston lovel and their tight end that they took in.

870
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 3: The first round.

871
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: This is a classic case of two things. One a

872
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: team building on big time moves that maybe he didn't

873
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: quite produce as much as they wanted to, you know,

874
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: with the you know, having DJ Moore on the roster,

875
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: adding Roma Dunese, you get Kayla Williams. But it's also

876
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: a new regime coming in and putting their mark on

877
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: the personnel and on the weapons and trying to improve

878
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: the situation around a quarterback whose franchise depends on his

879
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: you know, growth in his production. So Luther Burden was

880
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: a player who was held back by the fact that

881
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: they didn't have great quarterback play in Miszoo. And like

882
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: he's he's a heck of an athlete and the heck

883
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: of a player. And he was a guy that was

884
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: maybe gonna be a first round picked and end up

885
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: being a first round pick. So it's good value for them.

886
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: I'm just so excited to see what this passing game

887
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: looks like with Ben Johnson as their coach now, because

888
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: their twelve personnel is going to be crazy. You had

889
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: burden to that receiving corps. You have another option there.

890
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: You can do a number of different things. The only

891
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: thing that they missed out on so far is they

892
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: didn't ad a running back yet because I thought at

893
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 2: one point I thought maybe they'd be in line for Henderson,

894
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: and then the Patriots took him before the Bears came

895
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: off to pick. So perhaps that's something that they attack

896
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: in Day three. But I still like their makeup. I

897
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: still like that that's why you roll with the punches.

898
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: I heard that they Yeah, there was some talk that.

899
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: Travon Henderson would it was going to be in the

900
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: mix for them in the first round, or that if

901
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: the board felt funny, they would actually trade back and

902
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: take Henderson. And yeah, the Bears fans are so optimistic.

903
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: I laugh. I've seen it a.

904
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: Lot in the chat a lot of Bear down dynasty incoming,

905
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: that they had the best draft of any team and

906
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: every year, and you could see it with you could

907
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: see it with even the presenters that were you know,

908
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: former Bears, you know, getting the Packers crowd all round up.

909
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: Every year, Bears fans are convinced that their team is

910
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: awesome and that anyone that ever even doubts it, even

911
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: just a little bit are traders and insane and stupid,

912
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: despite the fact that they've had like a ton of

913
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: like futility, like generally it's just been futility, and but

914
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: it never diminishes the optimism or total confidence. And I

915
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: gotta admit, I gotta admit Bears fans, I'm kind of

916
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: with you on it this year though, I'm kind of yeah, yeah,

917
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: I'm usually now, I'm with you this year.

918
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel better about them now that I have

919
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 2: in previous years. My favorite thing though, in the Bears cycle,

920
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: and I've watched this a lot in Cleveland, is extreme

921
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 2: optimism followed by disappointing results, followed by a signing blame

922
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: to one scapegoat. And I have to give a tip

923
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: of the cap real quick to one of the Bears

924
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: fans in the chat mode designs things because he's a

925
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: friend of the Gridiron Pod. He's also a friend of

926
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: mine twitch streams. So thanks for coming in here, Mo,

927
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: and good luck. I wish you the best. But I

928
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 2: do know that it's optimism season right now. Remind yourself

929
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: of that.

930
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: Well, it's just the total it's just the blind confidence

931
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: that I don't get that that the past precedent, you know,

932
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: wouldn't affect you at all. By the way, they had

933
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: a couple other picks in round two. The Ozzie Trapilo

934
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: was a tackle from Boston College, went a little earlier

935
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: than expected. I look, Ben Johnson's going to have a

936
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: conviction on offensive lineman and the Lions have certainly had

937
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: a good history of that. So we'll see Samar Turner

938
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 1: defensive tackle from Texas A and m so two guys

939
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: that they had a vision for. It probably went a

940
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: little earlier than expected, but that they see their players,

941
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: we'll see how those end up working out. I like

942
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers pick of Alfred Collins was just

943
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: kind of there was a lot of run stopping defensive

944
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: tackles that was a big time a need for them,

945
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: and I just thought they got a good player there

946
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: in the second round. The Bucks are at a point

947
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: where I just love all their picks. Benjamin Morrison, the

948
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: Notre Dame cornerback who's coming off a hip injury but

949
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: has a lot of talent. His father played with Todd

950
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: Bowles a lot, a lot of times. These connections, you know,

951
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: are what makes it happen. So the Bucks I think,

952
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: get another great value. And then I thought it was

953
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: interesting that the Broncos ended up, you know, not taking

954
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: a running back in the first class in the first round,

955
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: and then they end up getting RJ.

956
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: Harvey in round two.

957
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on that, because if we're looking at big

958
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: fantasy winners, r J. Harvey has a clear path to

959
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: a lot of touches, Like I like for fantasy, he

960
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: might be a more valuable player than let's say Trevon

961
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: Henderson who got taken by the Patriots higher up.

962
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they, I mean, this is a backfeld that

963
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: was relying heavily on Julia McLaughlin last year and Audric

964
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: Estimate in sure artist situations and all love for Aldrick Estimate,

965
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: but he's kind of a plotting bigger back. So getting

966
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: a guy like like r J. Harvey, who I think,

967
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: you know, can be a bit of a home run

968
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 2: hitter at times. I just think about this sizzle real

969
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: that they put the UCF put out of him, just

970
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: like taking off down the sideline, and I'm like, man,

971
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: I would love to see that, you know, in the

972
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: orange crush uniforms for the Broncos this coming season. But

973
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: suddenly they're really deep in that back. If you look

974
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: at that depth chart, they got a number of different

975
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: options there. I agree that I thought that they were

976
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: going to go running back earlier. I thought Henderson was

977
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: definitely gonna be an option for them. I remember all

978
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 2: the Broncos media assembled around his podium in Indianapolis and thinking, Okay,

979
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: this is this makes a lot of sense. They don't

980
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: end up going there, but it all kind of plays

981
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: out and makes more sense when they get him. I

982
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: think they've handled the draft largely well. They got you know,

983
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: Jday Baron, who's the best corner in this draft, and

984
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: they end up getting Harvey in the second round, so

985
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: no reaches and filling needs. And it's just so nice

986
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: when you can do that, when you know that your

987
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: quarterback situation is solid and we don't have to talk

988
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: about that with that team.

989
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: Harvey is such a unique runner. If you haven't had

990
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: a chance to watch him, I recommend doing so. He's

991
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: so patient to the point of like is he ever

992
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: gonna go? And then and then he goes. But he's

993
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: so He's like a small darren Sprolls type. Great on receiving,

994
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: you could see why Sean Payton would like him, but

995
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: just a very unique player. I think people are gonna

996
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: enjoy watching, even if he's not going to be a

997
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: guy that like totally carries the load. While I'm thinking

998
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: about the Lions, they had just such a Lions draft,

999
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: taking Tyler Williams, the massive defensive tackle from Ohio State,

1000
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 1: in the first round, and then taking Georgia guard Tap

1001
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: Rattledge in the second round that Georgia guards actually went

1002
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: ahead of Jared Wilson, their center, surprisingly and then doing

1003
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: what they've done in recent drafts, which is just finding

1004
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: the guy that they loved and they didn't care what

1005
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: the value is and just giving up a ton of

1006
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: picks for him. Nick like they gave up three third

1007
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: round picks to draft Isaac Tesla, that the wide receiver

1008
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: from Arkansas who just tested out of the Gym like

1009
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: one of the best testing numbers ever at wide receiver

1010
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: at Arkansas and has like a sweet mullet. But they

1011
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: gave up their one hundred and second pick to move

1012
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: up thirty spots and then two future third round picks.

1013
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: So it's just crazy, like you can't get a player,

1014
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: you can't get a team nick to like give up

1015
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: a third round pick for jay r Alexander or like

1016
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: a halfway or even a veteran on a better contract, like,

1017
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: oh no, we would never give up a fourth or

1018
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: fifth round pick for a decent better And then you

1019
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,479
Speaker 1: get into the draft and like, we'll give up three

1020
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: third round picks for Isaac Tesla and he might turn

1021
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: out to be great. My point is just anyone that's

1022
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: available at pick seventy, you don't you don't know if

1023
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: they're gotta be great. So giving up three third round

1024
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: picks is it's a little wild. They're feeling themselves.

1025
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: There's the financial component to it, though, because you don't

1026
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: give up that pick for a guy on a bigger contract, right.

1027
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: They also gave up a compensatory pick that they got

1028
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: from losing Aaron Glenn to the Jets, So it makes

1029
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 2: more sense because they realize, all right, that's back into

1030
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: the third round. The future picks the ones that are

1031
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: probably read Lions fans the wrong way. But Greg, with

1032
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: all that said, they have my favorite class so far.

1033
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: They've only made three yis, but all three of them

1034
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: are guys that I love, and I'm gonna go back

1035
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: to Indy. I'm gonna go back to watching guys in

1036
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 2: the field. Another guy that was one of my favorites

1037
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: Tate Ratledge. You love him for a sweet hair, you

1038
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: love him for a style. He's kind of like a

1039
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: Kenny Powers of guards in the NFL now and he

1040
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 2: was in college and you love how he positioned his body.

1041
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: Even though he's not the biggest guard, He's a guy

1042
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 2: that is really good at angling himself to win blocks.

1043
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: But Tyler Quinns, I think is gonna be a better

1044
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: pro than he was in college, and he was already

1045
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: prett damn good at Ohio State. Love Ratledge, and I

1046
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 2: loved Isaac as well. I think that that's another player

1047
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: who really jumped off the field for me and Andy.

1048
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 2: You go back and watch his tape. I'm all on

1049
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: board with Brad Holmes and what he's done so far.

1050
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: One of my favorite classes, if not my favorite despite

1051
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: only being three picks so.

1052
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: Far, well, it's very Detroit Lions. It's just risky.

1053
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: They gave up I think it was multiple third round

1054
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: picks last year to move up in the fourth round

1055
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: to take a guard.

1056
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 3: Are you familiar? Could you name that guard?

1057
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: I'll give you like, actually we're not allowed to do that,

1058
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: but can you name that guard? Much of an impact

1059
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: as a rookie. It was more of a developmental guy.

1060
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: We'll see. It's Giovanni Manu, Giovanni Manu, so we'll see.

1061
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: Maybe Givan Manu will work out in the long run.

1062
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: But like they pick guys that they love and they

1063
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: absolutely go for him.

1064
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: Just a couple other picks.

1065
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: I liked the big cornerback Trey Amos going to the Commanders.

1066
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: We're going to break down all the team's drafts next week,

1067
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: going through each and every team will also do a

1068
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: winners and Losers show that's going to go up on

1069
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: Monday morning.

1070
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 3: So this is just supposed to be a quick hitter.

1071
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: The Colts taking another Ohio State guy J two j

1072
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: T two mal loa like that pick. The Panthers are

1073
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: kind of team traits, like taking big swings on high

1074
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: ceiling guys taking the defenders Nick Scorton and Princely Uma

1075
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: and Malayan hadn't said that name out loud like, but

1076
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: some potentially high upside pass rushers, So that that was interesting.

1077
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: And then I thought it was interesting Mike Green, who

1078
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people had mocked in the twenty or so,

1079
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: ends up going all the way to fifty nine. The

1080
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: Marshall pass rusher goes to the Ravens at fifty nine.

1081
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: Two sexual assault allegations, one before college, one at college.

1082
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: That's why he ended up at Marshall. And it's interesting

1083
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: the NFL almost seemed to take those allegations more seriously

1084
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: than the people doing the mock drafts and the consensus

1085
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: sports because everyone seemed to think it wasn't gonna end

1086
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 1: up costing him. But some reports that he didn't handle

1087
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: some questions throughout the process well, So for a second

1088
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: I thought we were getting progress from the NFL, and

1089
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: maybe him falling this far was like a little bit

1090
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: of progress. But I found it interesting that the Ravens

1091
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: of all teams took him because John Harbaugh was the

1092
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: guy saying we have a no tolerance policy on domestic violence.

1093
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: When he was talking about Deshaun Watson and now we

1094
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: have Mike Green and we have Justin Tucker on.

1095
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 3: Their roster, so we'll see how that works out. But

1096
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: certainly a talented player.

1097
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: I definitely raised an eyebrow. It's always kind of a

1098
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: tough one because you think about position and value of player,

1099
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: But are you willing to deal with I guess the

1100
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 2: baggage or whatever else that you might describe that as,

1101
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: like any of the concerns that definitely made me scratch

1102
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: my head. But I would like to go back to

1103
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: JTT real quick, because yes, I'll tell you what this

1104
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: is the guy who early on in his career at

1105
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: Ohio State looked like he was going to fall in

1106
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: the mold of the Bosa brothers when it came to

1107
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: edge rushing talents and then never really took the next

1108
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 2: step as he was there as part of that defense

1109
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: which ended up being very good last season. But I

1110
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 2: wonder if maybe all he needed is somebody like Louis

1111
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: n Rumo to unleash him at the NFL level. I

1112
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 2: thought that the way that people have created a lot

1113
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: of the players on that side of the ball for

1114
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 2: Ohio State have been interesting. To me, like the projections

1115
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: for Jack Sawyer have been all over the place and

1116
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: he's still out there now, which not surprising to me.

1117
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 2: But JTT going at forty fifth overall almost felt a

1118
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: little early. And then in other times I thought a

1119
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: couple years ago, I would have thought that was too late.

1120
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: So I'm very intrigued to see how his career pans

1121
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: out with Indianapolis under lou.

1122
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: I talked to a few people that loved him, that

1123
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be a better NFL player,

1124
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: that like he wasn't gonna go in the first round,

1125
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: but that you can see him playing a very specific

1126
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: role in playing a lot of years and being in

1127
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: the you know, being a guy you need those guys

1128
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: need you need seven eight guys in your front and

1129
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: that he can have an absolute game record type force

1130
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: player that.

1131
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 3: That's going to last a while in the NFL. And

1132
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: the Colts take them.

1133
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: They love athletic freaks, they love guys, they love taking

1134
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: lineman as well. Look, yeah, it's funny you mentioned Jack Sawyer.

1135
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 1: Like in another draft, Jack Sawyer falling this far would

1136
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: be a topic during Day three. But I have a

1137
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: feeling it's going to be all al Sadr Sanders all

1138
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: the time until he goes off the board, and I

1139
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: don't know. Damien Harris, a former Patriot, had some comments.

1140
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 1: I think it was for CBS about that that teams

1141
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: are almost trying to teach uh should hear and the

1142
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: Sanders a little bit of a lesson like a family

1143
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: that kind of shook up college football and is almost

1144
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: symbolic of the changes in college football. And I think

1145
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: multiple things can be true. I think it's not like

1146
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: all the teams started talking and agreed to not take them.

1147
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: But I think there can be an aspect of that,

1148
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: an aspect of fear and not wanting to deal with

1149
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: the media side of it all, and certainly an aspect

1150
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: of that. His talent was never really beyond like a

1151
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: second round level anyways, and there really aren't that many

1152
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: teams looking for quarterbacks right now, and so it's all

1153
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: those things combined. But I think there is something to

1154
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: it that they probably turn off some teams, and it's

1155
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: probably it's probably unfair that Shoulder is kind of getting

1156
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: getting lumped in with that.

1157
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I totally agree with that. But the one

1158
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: thing to kind of tie a bowe on all of it,

1159
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: since we started with it and we'll rap with it.

1160
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 2: Is I keep thinking back to when we left Indy

1161
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: and neither him nor cam Ward worked out, and yet

1162
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 2: for some reason, by the end of that week, there

1163
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 2: was a clear gap between the two, like a pretty

1164
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: wide gap. And despite not being on the field. Usually

1165
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: it happens on the field, and it didn't. Yeah, and

1166
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 2: it made me think, what happened in those meeting rooms,

1167
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: what happened with those intern Again. I think we will

1168
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: find out at some point, but it won't be for

1169
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: a while, and until then we're gonna have to, unfortunately,

1170
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: watch him continue to, you know, deal with this what

1171
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: is now an excruciating slide, and he will eventually be

1172
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: on a team and he'll have his opportunity to make

1173
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 2: his career in the NFL. But of course the spotlight

1174
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: is extremely bright because of his family name, and it's

1175
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 2: unfortunate for a kid who just wants to live out

1176
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 2: his NFL dream for sure, But we'll watch it play out.

1177
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: My theory too, is that's the week where all the

1178
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: reporters start talking to the NFL teams more at night

1179
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: and realize what they actually think. And I didn't get

1180
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: a chance to really break down their tape, you know,

1181
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: until after the combine and it's like, yeah, cam Ward

1182
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: to me looks exactly like I would want a top

1183
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: ten pick to look like. I keep using the Cutler

1184
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: comp reminds me a little bit a little bit of

1185
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: farm to me if he was in last year's draft,

1186
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: Like if Michael Pennox and JJ McCarthy were in this class,

1187
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: I think I would take cam Ward number one overall

1188
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: over those two personally, Like that's the level of prospect

1189
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: where Shoulder Sanders was like eh, like Andy Dalton was

1190
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: Swag was my cop and Andy Dalton doesn't get taken

1191
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: in the first round, and then maybe the reason it's

1192
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: not happening in rounds two and three is everything else

1193
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about. We will have plenty to talk about

1194
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: on Sunday night show. Actually we'll be putting it up

1195
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: Monday morning. That's going to be winners and losers. Was

1196
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: great to have you back in the chair, Nick, appreciate you.

1197
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great to be here, and I just

1198
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 2: want to extend much thanks to you for the messages

1199
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: you closed the mock Draft show with that was really

1200
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: special to me and my family. And you know about

1201
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: the regarding the passing of my dad, and you know,

1202
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 2: this was always our thing, you know, as kids. I

1203
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 2: used to spend Saturday and Sunday watching it with him.

1204
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 2: And as the chaos of the Brown supposedly in line

1205
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: to take Travon Henderson and then taking Judkins, all I

1206
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: wanted to do was call my dad. And obviously I

1207
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: can't do that now. But the support of people like

1208
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 2: he was made this so much easier to bear. So

1209
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: thank you so much for that.

1210
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.

1211
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned that because I do think the draft,

1212
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: because it's not like a game or whatever, there is

1213
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: something about like, you know, my son Walker did a

1214
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: bunch of mock drafts and he was more excited for

1215
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: this draft than any other. He was actually over at

1216
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: a friend's house, but he wanted me to text the

1217
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: dad that was over there every time the Texans were up,

1218
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: and he's going absolutely nuts, and then he's back over

1219
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: here like and it's just a fun thing.

1220
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: To share, obviously, football draft everything.

1221
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, good man, Greg Shook, and appreciate you, buddy.

1222
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: We will be back, As I was saying on Monday morning,

1223
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: we'll be doing winners and losers.

1224
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 3: We're going to.

1225
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: Wrap this whole thing up in a nice I appreciate

1226
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: everyone that was in the YouTube chat live. You can

1227
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: obviously check us out on video each and every time,

1228
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: but man, we will be in your ears all next week.

1229
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: We are just getting going the twenty twenty five draft.

1230
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: Look when I'm this far back in on the Patriots

1231
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: Drake by Kyle Williams.

1232
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 3: Football is back