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Visit Azycardinals 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:41.520 dot Com Slash podcast. 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.440 All Right, Seas, Rising ar. 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.960 Timp you Rising Vision, Blurry Rage, take it over. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:53.840 Here's Paul CALVICI I'm ready. I'm one hundred percent ready. 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:56.960 I'm telling you I'm ready. And Ron Wolfley, it. 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:58.480 Doesn't get any better than that. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:05.800 The Fjord, Well, you know, the NFL combine is well underway. 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:11.440 When even the NFL insiders are squaring off, I mean 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.880 you talk about competitive fire around wolf Lee, Ian Rapaport 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:19.520 and Jordan Schultz. I mean, fellas, there's enough breaking news 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:21.480 to go around. You know, we don't need to be 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:25.800 breaking jawbones in a local Starbucks in India. 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We are santan Ford, and speaking of 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.520 NFL luminaries, how about in this edition, we're gonna hear 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:03.640 a quna with Daniel Jeremiah from the Combine, Charles Davis, 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:07.280 and then manti acit Fort and Jonathan ganneron wollfully all 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.960 meeting the media. We're going to get into it. The Combine, 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:14.400 the draft, free agency. The off season is off and running, 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:15.040 is it not. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.680 Yeah, there's no doubt about it, Bully, and especially this 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.360 time of year too. You know when you get to 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.639 the Combine, you know, oh my goodness, the off season 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.320 is truly kicking in now. I know, we still have 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.400 the league gear, the new year league gear coming up 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:32.680 ahead of us where free agency is going to kick 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.079 in as well. But man, right now, whenever the combine 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:40.920 opens its doors and the NFL descends and US sends 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.919 on Indianapolis, man, it's always a very very exciting time. 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.239 So working out today, we're talking the forty yard dash, 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.920 we're talking agility drills. The three cone is the defensive line, 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.359 and maybe fitting the D line is leading things off 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.280 because it might be the deepest position group in this 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.200 year's NFL scouting combine. In fact, to start the week, 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.400 Daniel Jeremiah tweeted out that of the top fifty prospects, 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.880 fifteen of them in his rankings are either D linemen 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.079 or edge rushers. And then you look at NFL network 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.080 and you look at the televised coverage and by the way, 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:18.200 last year record TV ratings for combine coverage on the 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.919 NFL network, and you can't help but see new Cardinals 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.480 D line coach, coach debo, our guests last week, coach 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.440 Winston d Latti Boudair, who is working with the D 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.639 lineman out on the field in Indianapolis. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.560 You know that is such an advantage of I always 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.000 thought that, Paully. I don't know about you, but I 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.680 always thought, man, that is such an advantage that you 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.640 have one of your coaches actually out on the field 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:45.680 at the combine looking at these guys up close and personal, 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.800 and not only that, but talking to these guys as well. 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.200 You know, they have some type of meeting where they're 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.240 sitting in a room and they're saying, Okay, boys, this 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.120 is what we're going to do out here. They have 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.120 to do something to let them know exactly what their 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.000 drills are going to be, what they're going to add 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.280 asked them to do, and how they might want to 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:06.160 go about executing those drills. And to have a coach 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.200 that is right there and eyes up close and personal. 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.280 I always thought that was an advantage. 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.520 You know what, Most mock drafts right now have Abduall 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:18.000 Carter going number one overall, the edge out of Penn State, who, 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:22.640 by the way, is not working out, and ESPN reporting 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.960 that test revealed a stress fracture in his foot. Agent 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.839 Drurozanow says, not a big deal. It doesn't even need surgery. 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:31.799 He's going to wait till his pro day to work out. 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:35.800 I bring it up because abduall Carter. He told the 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.440 media quote, I feel like I'm the best player in 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.280 the country, and the best player should be picked first. 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:45.440 So he's owning his status as potentially the number one 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:46.080 pick overall. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.400 You know, I think, honestly, PAULI, when you look at 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.599 abduall Carter, I think he's right. I think he's right. 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.880 And he happens to play a position where there is 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.240 a premium on that position in the NFL, and that 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:02.240 is edge and Abdul Carter, of course, we all know 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.719 he had a stretch stress fracture in his foot. I 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.040 don't know why that was so difficult to actually say that, 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.560 But it looks like he's going to be okay. It 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.360 looks like he's going to select to bypass any type 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.880 of surgery. So we'll see how that goes for Abdul Carter. 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.280 But I don't think it's going to set him back. 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.919 I do believe he still will be taking number one overall. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.719 By the way, since two thousand and seven, the number 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:30.880 is three. Three defensive players have been chosen number one 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.839 overall since two thousand and seven. Jadavian Clowning twenty fourteen, 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:40.600 Miles Garrett twenty seventeen, Trayvon Walker twenty twenty two. By 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.919 the way, Trayvon Walker had none of the production that 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.360 Abdul Carter had this year when he had twelve sacks 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.440 and he led the nation with twenty three and a 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.000 half tackles for loss. So there's that. Cardinals says, we 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.880 know we're picking number sixteen. Wolf. Are you aware that 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.440 in recent Cardinals history at number sixteen, the Cardinals have 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:02.760 selected twenty twenty one one linebacker Zaven Collins, two thousand 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:07.400 and eight, corner Dominique Rodgers Cromarty, and then your former 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:12.920 teammate pro bowler Louise Sharp nineteen eighty two, when number sixteen. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.480 Overall, I did not know that, Bully. Oh my goodness, 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:20.159 Louise Sharp. So many guys, so many people do not 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:24.880 truly understand what an awesome left tackle Louis Sharp was. 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.560 You know who did understand it, Paully. That was Lawrence Taylor. 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.120 If I told you, Paully that I was out at 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.279 the Pro Bowl a couple of years as a matter 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:36.839 of fact, and Lawrence Taylor was walking around the locker 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.280 room as well, had the opportunity to get to know 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.760 LT a little bit right there and lt said, man 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.880 Louis Sharp was the guy that blocked him the best. 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.680 He told me that to my wow, I kid you. 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.080 Not that that's something that will never show up in 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.760 a box score. That's the ultimate compliment, no doubt about that. 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.560 All right, So Cardinal's pig in sixteenth overall dead said, 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:59.479 right in the middle of the first round, And what 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.800 does that mean for the GM Moni asin fort here 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:03.240 he is at the combine this week. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.400 Certainly a different feel for us this year going in 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.080 this draft, you know, picking three and picking four, you know, 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.280 we could narrow down who is going to be sitting 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.400 there for us, and so gets a little bit harder 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.760 picking at sixteen. You know, I think the importance of 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.680 us staying flexible and just hey, you got to wait 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.000 and see what happens in front of us, and then 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.000 you got to wait and see what opportunities come your way, 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.200 and so you know those won't declare until a couple 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.440 of hours into the event on Thursday night. But you know, 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.760 I think it just makes it adds a few more 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.240 variables into than what we've dealt with last couple of years. 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.840 Do you have a gut feeling and what Moni might 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.560 do this year, especially since we've seen him do everything right. 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.320 We've seen him trade down, we've seen him trade up, 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:42.840 we've seen him stick and pick. 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.320 What do you think at sixteen, Yeah, Paulie, it's all 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.520 going to depend on who might be there. Actually, if 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.880 you tell me that, you know you've got some guys 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.720 that are actually falling down the draft board, like I 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.400 would say a Jaalen Walker, if you tell me he's 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.520 falling down him. By the way, have you noticed how 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.720 many different NFL scouts that are out there, NFL analysts 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:08.200 that really study the draft, how different each mock draft 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.800 is that is out there right now. There's a lot 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.360 of a lot of debate as to who are the 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:19.120 best edge rushers, who are the best defensive lineman interior 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.440 defensive lineman. But if you tell me a guy like 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:26.640 Jalen Walker might actually fall to number sixteen, I think 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.640 that would matter to Manti ausin Ford. Having said that, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.840 if nobody falls, I think he's probably gonna trade down 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:34.960 and collect more picks. 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.800 Yeah, definitely see that. Mel Kiper two point oho this week, 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:39.839 Shamar Stewart out of Texas A and m going to 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.800 the Cardinals at sixteen. Bucky Brooks two point Oho NFL 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.760 dot com. Walter Nolan d Liman out of Ole Miss. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.840 You have questions about the draft and draft prospects. I 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.400 can't think of anyone better than Daniel Jeremiah And guess 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.800 what he's our guest when we come back. It is 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.840 the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:03.000 Let's do Wolf. 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.440 Now, let's start out as Jack Nicholson. 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.920 You give me a ground pounder and three dirt liquors 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:11.680 and we'll get it in every time. 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.160 Don't interrupt me. This is too good for this. 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.400 Let your dirt liquors do what they do. Come off 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.880 the ball and let the ground pounder. 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:22.520 Stick it in. 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:26.240 Well. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:27.840 If you have more than one thing in common with 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.440 Frank Calliando, all right, one, he does an impersonation of you. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:35.000 Number two you're also fond of saying, Dave, don't interrupt me. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:39.600 I'm talking over here, the great Frank Calliando. Very entertaining 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.920 edition of the Pash Pod. Dare we say the most entertaining, 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.160 because you know what it's all Frank and Dave's just 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.920 along for the ride. Check it out Azcardinals dot com 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.360 wherever you get your podcasts. It is the Big Red 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.559 Rage Our Combine Edition presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:57.080 We are santan Ford, Paul Calvic, the aforementioned Ron wolf 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.520 Ley and well, sometimes you know it's that simple. You're 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.520 just looking for or a dirt liquor, right, somebody who 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:05.040 just can physically dominate another man. And then there is 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.280 all the data that twenty twenty five is all about. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.679 And I bring that up because Next Gen Stats, in 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.160 conjunction with the NFL, has come out with what they 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:19.760 call a comprehensible form of player projection that they call 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.160 the Combine IQ. They released it to the public earlier 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.240 today on the NFL website. You can go click on it, 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.920 you can check it out. It's a dashboard. They're going 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.520 to post all the results of all the drills and 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.120 then all the tracking data because these guys are wearing chips, 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.400 and they're going to put it into this player projection 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.360 model and grade everyone from fifty to ninety nine in 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.480 athleticism production and overall draft score because they're taking into 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:47.120 account their production from their college career as well. So 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.679 they're trying to model all this data going all the 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:52.800 way back to two thousand and three. You can compare 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.520 players to the last twenty three years draft prospects and 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.240 see how each guy fares. 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:00.800 You gotta be kidding me, Paul. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.360 It's all I know. Just you know it violates my 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.240 rule no math. Go to NFL dot com. It's pretty 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.280 dang impressive as to what they're doing right now. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.520 Yeah, and you know what, Paul too, if you're talking 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:16.040 about Frank Caliendo, of course doing me and talking about 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.120 dirt liquors. Can I tell you right now that I'll 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.439 take Tyler Booker. I'll take him and I will run. Seriously, 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.360 if you tell me he's there at number sixteen and 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.240 you tell me that that is going to be where 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.760 the Arizona Cardinals would like to go, boy, I'll take 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:31.679 that and I'll run. 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.240 Well, look, there's a lot we don't know right now 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.040 about this combine in this draft. Right Who's going number 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.160 one overall? Who's going to be the top quarterback selected? 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.320 I mean, which position is Travis Hunter the heisman? We're 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.280 even going to play? He told the media today that 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:50.319 he'll play whatever position his drafting team wants him to play, 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.600 although he'd love to play both sides of the ball. 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.480 So that's interesting there. Well, once again, you want to 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.360 go to resource our Craig Grielu, Danny Sirek Indianapolis at 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.040 the NFL Combine and they had a chance to catch 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.800 up with NFL dot Com Draft expert Daniel Jeremiah for 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.200 what has now become an annual interview. 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.080 A year ago, when we spoke with you Cardinals with 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.160 the fourth overall pick, you called it the pole. 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:15.400 Position in the draft. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.960 Now at sixteen, what position do you call it? 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:20.880 The sweet spot? Yeah, you're in the sweet spot. You 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.079 know you're in a good spot. I think this draft 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.960 is it's odd, it's weird. I will tell you, like 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.280 I migrating seal that I have that I use it. 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.800 I picked up back in Baltimore a million years ago. 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.240 There's a grade that's like a Pro Bowl player grade, 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.199 so you know that what you're saying, there's a high 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.360 likelihood that this player is going to be a Pro Bowler. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:42.520 In last year's draft, I think there was maybe eighteen 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.000 of them around there, seventeen eighteen. 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:46.520 This year there's like seven. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:48.920 So I don't think this is a year you want 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.120 to be picking you know, eight, nine, ten, But I 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.440 think sixteen just back far enough where I think there's 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:54.600 some value to be had there. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.200 You're kind of in the middle of that pack. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.760 But you are in a deep defensive draft, especially along 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:01.120 the line scrimmage, You're going to. 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.120 Get a really really solid player right there. 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.800 That is music to the ears of Cardinals fans. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:07.800 Defense Go figure, huh, Yes. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.240 I mean on the defensive line and on the edge, 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.400 those are areas of need for this Cardinals defense. What 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.560 do you see from those position groups with this draft class? 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.560 Yeah, defensive tackles as deep as I can ever remember. 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.800 I don't ever remember seeing a group this deep. 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.640 You know, last year I had twelve players that I thought, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.040 you know, had starting potential at defensive tackle this year 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.880 at twenty four, so I don't ever remember seeing anything 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:31.640 like that. So it's not only there in the first round, 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.680 but out all throughout the draft you can find defensive 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.040 tackles that have an opportunity to develop into starters and then. 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:37.880 Edge rusher wise. 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.200 It's a great debate to have, and I'm sure they're 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:41.800 going to have it within the walls of the building 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.840 in Arizona, which is we've got traits, We've got long, rangy, 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.360 explosive guys, and then we've got production We've got some 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.480 guys who maybe don't have all those traits, but man, 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.440 they really know how to win and rush. So you 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.760 know that's going to be a classic kind of debate 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.040 to rage on there and see which direction they go. 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.319 But I do know they're going to have an option 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.600 get a Day one starter at either defensive tackle or 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.440 at edge rusher if that's the direction they want to go. 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.880 Because of that depth, could you see a team, whether 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:12.800 it's the Cardinals or someone else, address a different position, 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.319 say at sixteen for the Cardinals, and didn't take that 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:19.040 defensive tackle, defensive lineman, or edge rusher at forty seven 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:19.720 or later. 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.680 On, Well, I would say I would use the lesson 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.800 of Philly, which is there's nothing wrong. 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:26.200 With taking two. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.320 You want to go shopping for a dtackle in the 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.760 first round, swing around, take another one in the fourth round, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:32.400 Go do it. 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:33.880 I don't think you have to pick. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.600 I think you can say that's where the strength of 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.760 this draft is, so I don't necessarily think of it. Well, 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.680 there's so many of them. I can avoid one here 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.760 and come get one later. I say, just double up. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:45.560 There's a team that just won the Super Bowl that 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.080 was eight to nine deep. Along the defensive line, So 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.000 I think there's that there's some real value and going 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:51.520 that route. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.720 Are there the defensive tackles that you have the twenty 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.480 four that you have first round grades? 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:57.520 Are they similar? 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.640 Are there certain styles depending on what defensive you might 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:01.240 be running. 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.120 Yeah, oh, all different flavors. 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.800 But I would say there's more like there's more three 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.640 hundred plus pound guys that can do a little bit 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:10.720 of everything, Whereas in the past I felt like, man, 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.360 we've got some three hundred and thirty pound like just 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:17.080 phone booth like space eater, gobble block guys, and then 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.360 we've got some two hundred and eighty five two hundred 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:20.840 ninety pound upfield rushers. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:22.560 This draft I don't remember. 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.760 I mean, we have so many three hundred and ten, 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.320 three hundred and fifteen pound guys that can penetrate, get 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.240 up the field, but are also strong enough to anchor 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.320 a double team like versatile versatile guys. 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.640 Cardinals have a handful of pending free agents, starting on 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.320 the offensive line. What do you see from this offensive 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:38.200 line class. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.440 I don't think that there's the premier guys, which is 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.240 not going to matter where it's sixteen, they would be 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.800 gone anyway. If there were premier guys. But I do 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.280 think along the interior there's some depth where you can 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.440 get guys day two, in the maybe early day three. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.720 Offensive tackle wise, I think it's a little. 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.160 Bit of a shallow pool, so that those guys, I think, 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.720 you know, once you get through the really the first round, 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.000 it's gonna be hard to find a starting tackle outside 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:03.720 the first round. 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:05.720 Is this where, all of a sudden, maybe this draft 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.360 is done the headline names, but maybe where you could 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.400 develop or add pieces to fortify both sides. 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:13.760 Yeah, that's what it is. It's a meat and potatoes draft. 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:17.400 It's a draft where you're finding starters, not stars, and 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.360 it is at the line of scrimmage. 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:20.920 That's where you're gonna find guys. 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.080 And to me, I look at differently from the offensive 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.560 line of the defensive line. Offensive line wise, I'm a 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.840 firm believer and you're as strong as your weakest guy. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:29.600 You don't want to have, as I refer to him 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.440 as a tomato can. You know you can't have four 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.240 Hall of Famers in a tomato can, because a tomato 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.360 can is gonna get you quarterback hit every single time. 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:38.120 So upgrading the back end of your offensive line, I 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.840 think there's value, whereas on the defensive line, I think 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.240 you're chasing impact. You're chasing guys who can really make 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.800 a difference and win one on one and make some 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:46.800 disruptive plays. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:48.280 And I think we have those guys. 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:51.360 So it's kind of a floor offensive line draft, and 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.080 I think there's some ceiling along the defensive line this year. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.120 There you go, Daniel Jeremiah from Cardinals Cover too. You 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.000 can catch the entire interview and it's great stuff. Cardinals 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.800 Cover two, Azycardinals dot Com, wherever year podcasts. It posted today. 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.000 Tomorrow is going to be Charles Davis. We're going to 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.240 preview that coming up a little bit later in this 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.240 edition of The Big Red rage Are Combine Edition presented 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.320 by Santan Ford in Gilbert. What stood out to you 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.600 the most there on all those different topics and all 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.840 the insights from Daniel Jeremiah, just. 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.159 All of the line of scrimmage Bully for the most part, 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:30.520 the conversation about depth from day one in terms of 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.560 finding guys that can play on the line of scrimmage 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:37.399 offensively and defensively. Right now, I can't get over at 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.600 Bully because the blood sport is back in the National 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:42.439 Football League. 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:42.919 It is. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.800 It's no longer a situation where the spread has taken over. 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.520 You know how I feel about this. It has come 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.359 back to the game of football once again. Think about 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.359 the emphasis that is now placed on a running back 0:17:56.480 --> 0:18:02.040 and having a great rushing attack. Think of the Philadelphia Eagles. Okay, 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.400 they've just won the Super Bowl. Of course, they ran 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:08.800 the ball over six hundred times this season, over six 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.520 hundred times. That was number one in the National Football League. Now, listen, 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.520 I understand Jalen Hurts pulling the ball down. There was 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.040 an awful lot of that. But anyone who watched any 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.639 tape on the Eagles, you know, they lined up and 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.240 they gave the ball to Saquon Barkley, of course, and 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:27.040 they ran the ball in that offensive line. Football is 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:31.040 now once again played on the line of scrimmage offensively 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.320 and defensively. And you know, all the other teams in 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.600 the National Football League they love to rip off whoever 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.880 wins the Super Bowl. And looking at the Philadelphia Eagles, 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.520 that is where their team is built, on the line 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.919 of scrimmage, and I think that's back in vogue. 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:49.600 You know, you don't go to a steakhouse in order 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:54.200 the tofu right. So if this draft is just utterly 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:58.600 deep in defensive lineman, I like the question about you know, hey, 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.320 do you go O line and run and then maybe 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.120 load up in round two and three on D line 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.560 because it's so deep, And Daniel Jeremiah's response was, well, 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.680 why don't you just double up at sixteen and forty seven? 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.119 Maybe you go D line? To your point, because the 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.200 Eagles were senting pass rushers and defensive linemen in waves 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.640 all the way to a Lombardi Trophy. And you know what, 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:20.880 you have free agency coming up. It starts in less 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:24.480