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Speaker 7: a quna with Daniel Jeremiah from the Combine, Charles Davis,
Speaker 7: and then manti acit Fort and Jonathan ganneron wollfully all
Speaker 7: meeting the media. We're going to get into it. The Combine,
Speaker 7: the draft, free agency. The off season is off and running,
Speaker 7: is it not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about it, Bully, and especially this
Speaker 1: time of year too. You know when you get to
Speaker 1: the Combine, you know, oh my goodness, the off season
Speaker 1: is truly kicking in now. I know, we still have
Speaker 1: the league gear, the new year league gear coming up
Speaker 1: ahead of us where free agency is going to kick
Speaker 1: in as well. But man, right now, whenever the combine
Speaker 1: opens its doors and the NFL descends and US sends
Speaker 1: on Indianapolis, man, it's always a very very exciting time.
Speaker 7: So working out today, we're talking the forty yard dash,
Speaker 7: we're talking agility drills. The three cone is the defensive line,
Speaker 7: and maybe fitting the D line is leading things off
Speaker 7: because it might be the deepest position group in this
Speaker 7: year's NFL scouting combine. In fact, to start the week,
Speaker 7: Daniel Jeremiah tweeted out that of the top fifty prospects,
Speaker 7: fifteen of them in his rankings are either D linemen
Speaker 7: or edge rushers. And then you look at NFL network
Speaker 7: and you look at the televised coverage and by the way,
Speaker 7: last year record TV ratings for combine coverage on the
Speaker 7: NFL network, and you can't help but see new Cardinals
Speaker 7: D line coach, coach debo, our guests last week, coach
Speaker 7: Winston d Latti Boudair, who is working with the D
Speaker 7: lineman out on the field in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: You know that is such an advantage of I always
Speaker 1: thought that, Paully. I don't know about you, but I
Speaker 1: always thought, man, that is such an advantage that you
Speaker 1: have one of your coaches actually out on the field
Speaker 1: at the combine looking at these guys up close and personal,
Speaker 1: and not only that, but talking to these guys as well.
Speaker 1: You know, they have some type of meeting where they're
Speaker 1: sitting in a room and they're saying, Okay, boys, this
Speaker 1: is what we're going to do out here. They have
Speaker 1: to do something to let them know exactly what their
Speaker 1: drills are going to be, what they're going to add
Speaker 1: asked them to do, and how they might want to
Speaker 1: go about executing those drills. And to have a coach
Speaker 1: that is right there and eyes up close and personal.
Speaker 1: I always thought that was an advantage.
Speaker 7: You know what, Most mock drafts right now have Abduall
Speaker 7: Carter going number one overall, the edge out of Penn State, who,
Speaker 7: by the way, is not working out, and ESPN reporting
Speaker 7: that test revealed a stress fracture in his foot. Agent
Speaker 7: Drurozanow says, not a big deal. It doesn't even need surgery.
Speaker 7: He's going to wait till his pro day to work out.
Speaker 7: I bring it up because abduall Carter. He told the
Speaker 7: media quote, I feel like I'm the best player in
Speaker 7: the country, and the best player should be picked first.
Speaker 7: So he's owning his status as potentially the number one
Speaker 7: pick overall.
Speaker 1: You know, I think, honestly, PAULI, when you look at
Speaker 1: abduall Carter, I think he's right. I think he's right.
Speaker 1: And he happens to play a position where there is
Speaker 1: a premium on that position in the NFL, and that
Speaker 1: is edge and Abdul Carter, of course, we all know
Speaker 1: he had a stretch stress fracture in his foot. I
Speaker 1: don't know why that was so difficult to actually say that,
Speaker 1: But it looks like he's going to be okay. It
Speaker 1: looks like he's going to select to bypass any type
Speaker 1: of surgery. So we'll see how that goes for Abdul Carter.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's going to set him back.
Speaker 1: I do believe he still will be taking number one overall.
Speaker 7: By the way, since two thousand and seven, the number
Speaker 7: is three. Three defensive players have been chosen number one
Speaker 7: overall since two thousand and seven. Jadavian Clowning twenty fourteen,
Speaker 7: Miles Garrett twenty seventeen, Trayvon Walker twenty twenty two. By
Speaker 7: the way, Trayvon Walker had none of the production that
Speaker 7: Abdul Carter had this year when he had twelve sacks
Speaker 7: and he led the nation with twenty three and a
Speaker 7: half tackles for loss. So there's that. Cardinals says, we
Speaker 7: know we're picking number sixteen. Wolf. Are you aware that
Speaker 7: in recent Cardinals history at number sixteen, the Cardinals have
Speaker 7: selected twenty twenty one one linebacker Zaven Collins, two thousand
Speaker 7: and eight, corner Dominique Rodgers Cromarty, and then your former
Speaker 7: teammate pro bowler Louise Sharp nineteen eighty two, when number sixteen.
Speaker 1: Overall, I did not know that, Bully. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: Louise Sharp. So many guys, so many people do not
Speaker 1: truly understand what an awesome left tackle Louis Sharp was.
Speaker 1: You know who did understand it, Paully. That was Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 1: If I told you, Paully that I was out at
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl a couple of years as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, and Lawrence Taylor was walking around the locker
Speaker 1: room as well, had the opportunity to get to know
Speaker 1: LT a little bit right there and lt said, man
Speaker 1: Louis Sharp was the guy that blocked him the best.
Speaker 1: He told me that to my wow, I kid you.
Speaker 7: Not that that's something that will never show up in
Speaker 7: a box score. That's the ultimate compliment, no doubt about that.
Speaker 7: All right, So Cardinal's pig in sixteenth overall dead said,
Speaker 7: right in the middle of the first round, And what
Speaker 7: does that mean for the GM Moni asin fort here
Speaker 7: he is at the combine this week.
Speaker 8: Certainly a different feel for us this year going in
Speaker 8: this draft, you know, picking three and picking four, you know,
Speaker 8: we could narrow down who is going to be sitting
Speaker 8: there for us, and so gets a little bit harder
Speaker 8: picking at sixteen. You know, I think the importance of
Speaker 8: us staying flexible and just hey, you got to wait
Speaker 8: and see what happens in front of us, and then
Speaker 8: you got to wait and see what opportunities come your way,
Speaker 8: and so you know those won't declare until a couple
Speaker 8: of hours into the event on Thursday night. But you know,
Speaker 8: I think it just makes it adds a few more
Speaker 8: variables into than what we've dealt with last couple of years.
Speaker 7: Do you have a gut feeling and what Moni might
Speaker 7: do this year, especially since we've seen him do everything right.
Speaker 7: We've seen him trade down, we've seen him trade up,
Speaker 7: we've seen him stick and pick.
Speaker 1: What do you think at sixteen, Yeah, Paulie, it's all
Speaker 1: going to depend on who might be there. Actually, if
Speaker 1: you tell me that, you know you've got some guys
Speaker 1: that are actually falling down the draft board, like I
Speaker 1: would say a Jaalen Walker, if you tell me he's
Speaker 1: falling down him. By the way, have you noticed how
Speaker 1: many different NFL scouts that are out there, NFL analysts
Speaker 1: that really study the draft, how different each mock draft
Speaker 1: is that is out there right now. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of debate as to who are the
Speaker 1: best edge rushers, who are the best defensive lineman interior
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. But if you tell me a guy like
Speaker 1: Jalen Walker might actually fall to number sixteen, I think
Speaker 1: that would matter to Manti ausin Ford. Having said that,
Speaker 1: if nobody falls, I think he's probably gonna trade down
Speaker 1: and collect more picks.
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely see that. Mel Kiper two point oho this week,
Speaker 7: Shamar Stewart out of Texas A and m going to
Speaker 7: the Cardinals at sixteen. Bucky Brooks two point Oho NFL
Speaker 7: dot com. Walter Nolan d Liman out of Ole Miss.
Speaker 7: You have questions about the draft and draft prospects. I
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Speaker 2: Let's do Wolf.
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Speaker 6: You give me a ground pounder and three dirt liquors
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Speaker 2: Don't interrupt me. This is too good for this.
Speaker 6: Let your dirt liquors do what they do. Come off
Speaker 6: the ball and let the ground pounder.
Speaker 2: Stick it in.
Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 7: We are santan Ford, Paul Calvic, the aforementioned Ron wolf
Speaker 7: Ley and well, sometimes you know it's that simple. You're
Speaker 7: just looking for or a dirt liquor, right, somebody who
Speaker 7: just can physically dominate another man. And then there is
Speaker 7: all the data that twenty twenty five is all about.
Speaker 7: And I bring that up because Next Gen Stats, in
Speaker 7: conjunction with the NFL, has come out with what they
Speaker 7: call a comprehensible form of player projection that they call
Speaker 7: the Combine IQ. They released it to the public earlier
Speaker 7: today on the NFL website. You can go click on it,
Speaker 7: you can check it out. It's a dashboard. They're going
Speaker 7: to post all the results of all the drills and
Speaker 7: then all the tracking data because these guys are wearing chips,
Speaker 7: and they're going to put it into this player projection
Speaker 7: model and grade everyone from fifty to ninety nine in
Speaker 7: athleticism production and overall draft score because they're taking into
Speaker 7: account their production from their college career as well. So
Speaker 7: they're trying to model all this data going all the
Speaker 7: way back to two thousand and three. You can compare
Speaker 7: players to the last twenty three years draft prospects and
Speaker 7: see how each guy fares.
Speaker 2: You gotta be kidding me, Paul.
Speaker 7: It's all I know. Just you know it violates my
Speaker 7: rule no math. Go to NFL dot com. It's pretty
Speaker 7: dang impressive as to what they're doing right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what, Paul too, if you're talking
Speaker 1: about Frank Caliendo, of course doing me and talking about
Speaker 1: dirt liquors. Can I tell you right now that I'll
Speaker 1: take Tyler Booker. I'll take him and I will run. Seriously,
Speaker 1: if you tell me he's there at number sixteen and
Speaker 1: you tell me that that is going to be where
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals would like to go, boy, I'll take
Speaker 1: that and I'll run.
Speaker 7: Well, look, there's a lot we don't know right now
Speaker 7: about this combine in this draft. Right Who's going number
Speaker 7: one overall? Who's going to be the top quarterback selected?
Speaker 7: I mean, which position is Travis Hunter the heisman? We're
Speaker 7: even going to play? He told the media today that
Speaker 7: he'll play whatever position his drafting team wants him to play,
Speaker 7: although he'd love to play both sides of the ball.
Speaker 7: So that's interesting there. Well, once again, you want to
Speaker 7: go to resource our Craig Grielu, Danny Sirek Indianapolis at
Speaker 7: the NFL Combine and they had a chance to catch
Speaker 7: up with NFL dot Com Draft expert Daniel Jeremiah for
Speaker 7: what has now become an annual interview.
Speaker 10: A year ago, when we spoke with you Cardinals with
Speaker 10: the fourth overall pick, you called it the pole.
Speaker 11: Position in the draft.
Speaker 10: Now at sixteen, what position do you call it?
Speaker 12: The sweet spot? Yeah, you're in the sweet spot. You
Speaker 12: know you're in a good spot. I think this draft
Speaker 12: is it's odd, it's weird. I will tell you, like
Speaker 12: I migrating seal that I have that I use it.
Speaker 12: I picked up back in Baltimore a million years ago.
Speaker 12: There's a grade that's like a Pro Bowl player grade,
Speaker 12: so you know that what you're saying, there's a high
Speaker 12: likelihood that this player is going to be a Pro Bowler.
Speaker 12: In last year's draft, I think there was maybe eighteen
Speaker 12: of them around there, seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 11: This year there's like seven.
Speaker 12: So I don't think this is a year you want
Speaker 12: to be picking you know, eight, nine, ten, But I
Speaker 12: think sixteen just back far enough where I think there's
Speaker 12: some value to be had there.
Speaker 11: You're kind of in the middle of that pack.
Speaker 12: But you are in a deep defensive draft, especially along
Speaker 12: the line scrimmage, You're going to.
Speaker 11: Get a really really solid player right there.
Speaker 13: That is music to the ears of Cardinals fans.
Speaker 2: Defense Go figure, huh, Yes.
Speaker 13: I mean on the defensive line and on the edge,
Speaker 13: those are areas of need for this Cardinals defense. What
Speaker 13: do you see from those position groups with this draft class?
Speaker 12: Yeah, defensive tackles as deep as I can ever remember.
Speaker 11: I don't ever remember seeing a group this deep.
Speaker 12: You know, last year I had twelve players that I thought,
Speaker 12: you know, had starting potential at defensive tackle this year
Speaker 12: at twenty four, so I don't ever remember seeing anything
Speaker 12: like that. So it's not only there in the first round,
Speaker 12: but out all throughout the draft you can find defensive
Speaker 12: tackles that have an opportunity to develop into starters and then.
Speaker 11: Edge rusher wise.
Speaker 12: It's a great debate to have, and I'm sure they're
Speaker 12: going to have it within the walls of the building
Speaker 12: in Arizona, which is we've got traits, We've got long, rangy,
Speaker 12: explosive guys, and then we've got production We've got some
Speaker 12: guys who maybe don't have all those traits, but man,
Speaker 12: they really know how to win and rush. So you
Speaker 12: know that's going to be a classic kind of debate
Speaker 12: to rage on there and see which direction they go.
Speaker 12: But I do know they're going to have an option
Speaker 12: get a Day one starter at either defensive tackle or
Speaker 12: at edge rusher if that's the direction they want to go.
Speaker 10: Because of that depth, could you see a team, whether
Speaker 10: it's the Cardinals or someone else, address a different position,
Speaker 10: say at sixteen for the Cardinals, and didn't take that
Speaker 10: defensive tackle, defensive lineman, or edge rusher at forty seven
Speaker 10: or later.
Speaker 12: On, Well, I would say I would use the lesson
Speaker 12: of Philly, which is there's nothing wrong.
Speaker 11: With taking two.
Speaker 12: You want to go shopping for a dtackle in the
Speaker 12: first round, swing around, take another one in the fourth round,
Speaker 12: Go do it.
Speaker 11: I don't think you have to pick.
Speaker 12: I think you can say that's where the strength of
Speaker 12: this draft is, so I don't necessarily think of it. Well,
Speaker 12: there's so many of them. I can avoid one here
Speaker 12: and come get one later. I say, just double up.
Speaker 12: There's a team that just won the Super Bowl that
Speaker 12: was eight to nine deep. Along the defensive line, So
Speaker 12: I think there's that there's some real value and going
Speaker 12: that route.
Speaker 10: Are there the defensive tackles that you have the twenty
Speaker 10: four that you have first round grades?
Speaker 11: Are they similar?
Speaker 10: Are there certain styles depending on what defensive you might
Speaker 10: be running.
Speaker 11: Yeah, oh, all different flavors.
Speaker 12: But I would say there's more like there's more three
Speaker 12: hundred plus pound guys that can do a little bit
Speaker 12: of everything, Whereas in the past I felt like, man,
Speaker 12: we've got some three hundred and thirty pound like just
Speaker 12: phone booth like space eater, gobble block guys, and then
Speaker 12: we've got some two hundred and eighty five two hundred
Speaker 12: ninety pound upfield rushers.
Speaker 11: This draft I don't remember.
Speaker 12: I mean, we have so many three hundred and ten,
Speaker 12: three hundred and fifteen pound guys that can penetrate, get
Speaker 12: up the field, but are also strong enough to anchor
Speaker 12: a double team like versatile versatile guys.
Speaker 13: Cardinals have a handful of pending free agents, starting on
Speaker 13: the offensive line. What do you see from this offensive
Speaker 13: line class.
Speaker 12: I don't think that there's the premier guys, which is
Speaker 12: not going to matter where it's sixteen, they would be
Speaker 12: gone anyway. If there were premier guys. But I do
Speaker 12: think along the interior there's some depth where you can
Speaker 12: get guys day two, in the maybe early day three.
Speaker 11: Offensive tackle wise, I think it's a little.
Speaker 12: Bit of a shallow pool, so that those guys, I think,
Speaker 12: you know, once you get through the really the first round,
Speaker 12: it's gonna be hard to find a starting tackle outside
Speaker 12: the first round.
Speaker 10: Is this where, all of a sudden, maybe this draft
Speaker 10: is done the headline names, but maybe where you could
Speaker 10: develop or add pieces to fortify both sides.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's what it is. It's a meat and potatoes draft.
Speaker 12: It's a draft where you're finding starters, not stars, and
Speaker 12: it is at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 11: That's where you're gonna find guys.
Speaker 12: And to me, I look at differently from the offensive
Speaker 12: line of the defensive line. Offensive line wise, I'm a
Speaker 12: firm believer and you're as strong as your weakest guy.
Speaker 12: You don't want to have, as I refer to him
Speaker 12: as a tomato can. You know you can't have four
Speaker 12: Hall of Famers in a tomato can, because a tomato
Speaker 12: can is gonna get you quarterback hit every single time.
Speaker 12: So upgrading the back end of your offensive line, I
Speaker 12: think there's value, whereas on the defensive line, I think
Speaker 12: you're chasing impact. You're chasing guys who can really make
Speaker 12: a difference and win one on one and make some
Speaker 12: disruptive plays.
Speaker 11: And I think we have those guys.
Speaker 12: So it's kind of a floor offensive line draft, and
Speaker 12: I think there's some ceiling along the defensive line this year.
Speaker 7: There you go, Daniel Jeremiah from Cardinals Cover too. You
Speaker 7: can catch the entire interview and it's great stuff. Cardinals
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Speaker 7: Tomorrow is going to be Charles Davis. We're going to
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Speaker 7: edition of The Big Red rage Are Combine Edition presented
Speaker 7: by Santan Ford in Gilbert. What stood out to you
Speaker 7: the most there on all those different topics and all
Speaker 7: the insights from Daniel Jeremiah, just.
Speaker 1: All of the line of scrimmage Bully for the most part,
Speaker 1: the conversation about depth from day one in terms of
Speaker 1: finding guys that can play on the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: offensively and defensively. Right now, I can't get over at
Speaker 1: Bully because the blood sport is back in the National
Speaker 1: Football League.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It's no longer a situation where the spread has taken over.
Speaker 1: You know how I feel about this. It has come
Speaker 1: back to the game of football once again. Think about
Speaker 1: the emphasis that is now placed on a running back
Speaker 1: and having a great rushing attack. Think of the Philadelphia Eagles. Okay,
Speaker 1: they've just won the Super Bowl. Of course, they ran
Speaker 1: the ball over six hundred times this season, over six
Speaker 1: hundred times. That was number one in the National Football League. Now, listen,
Speaker 1: I understand Jalen Hurts pulling the ball down. There was
Speaker 1: an awful lot of that. But anyone who watched any
Speaker 1: tape on the Eagles, you know, they lined up and
Speaker 1: they gave the ball to Saquon Barkley, of course, and
Speaker 1: they ran the ball in that offensive line. Football is
Speaker 1: now once again played on the line of scrimmage offensively
Speaker 1: and defensively. And you know, all the other teams in
Speaker 1: the National Football League they love to rip off whoever
Speaker 1: wins the Super Bowl. And looking at the Philadelphia Eagles,
Speaker 1: that is where their team is built, on the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, and I think that's back in vogue.
Speaker 7: You know, you don't go to a steakhouse in order
Speaker 7: the tofu right. So if this draft is just utterly
Speaker 7: deep in defensive lineman, I like the question about you know, hey,
Speaker 7: do you go O line and run and then maybe
Speaker 7: load up in round two and three on D line
Speaker 7: because it's so deep, And Daniel Jeremiah's response was, well,
Speaker 7: why don't you just double up at sixteen and forty seven?
Speaker 7: Maybe you go D line? To your point, because the
Speaker 7: Eagles were senting pass rushers and defensive linemen in waves
Speaker 7: all the way to a Lombardi Trophy. And you know what,
Speaker 7: you have free agency coming up. It starts in less
Speaker 7: than two weeks. Trey Smith wasn't the only potential free
Speaker 7: agent guard on the market today. Kansas City, the Chiefs
Speaker 7: franchise tag their young Pro Bowl offensive guard Tray Smith,
Speaker 7: so he's not going to be available, but they're about
Speaker 7: a half dozen other dudes who could be plug and
Speaker 7: play guys who are proven starting caliber offensive guards, and
Speaker 7: as Maniasiford told the media this week, you want to
Speaker 7: enter any draft with the ability to play a game.
Speaker 7: Before you go in and even look at your draft board,
Speaker 7: you want to have a roster so you're not in
Speaker 7: dire need of a particular position. So if the Cardinals
Speaker 7: at least have enough to be feasible and viable on
Speaker 7: the offensive line going into this draft, yeah, I you
Speaker 7: can see him loading up at sixteen and forty seven
Speaker 7: on the defensive line.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you on that, Paul, seriously. And once again,
Speaker 1: if there is a position that I truly value in
Speaker 1: terms of free agency, it's the offensive line.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: Now, can you overpay for a certain guy? Of course
Speaker 1: you can overpay, But to me, Paul, for the most part,
Speaker 1: you can see what an offensive lineman is doing. You
Speaker 1: can see him compete against NFL caliber defensive linemen and linebackers.
Speaker 1: You can actually watch him. And there's a huge body
Speaker 1: of work for most of these free agents, of course,
Speaker 1: a huge body of work that you can study and
Speaker 1: examine and really come to a conclusion that this guy
Speaker 1: is exactly what we need. He's a perfect fit for
Speaker 1: our offense because of AB and C defensive lineman Sometimes,
Speaker 1: even in the NFL, sometimes you'll see a defensive lineman
Speaker 1: get paid, and then when he gets paid, what happens
Speaker 1: a lot of times some of that production will drop off,
Speaker 1: and I think it's because they're just not as hungry
Speaker 1: as they once were. Offensive linemen, for the most part,
Speaker 1: are built a little bit differently, and I like looking
Speaker 1: at NFL offensive linemen blocking NFL defensive linemen. I like
Speaker 1: looking at that. Now when it comes to the draft,
Speaker 1: I like looking at college prospects on the defensive line
Speaker 1: more than the offensive line, because I think you've got
Speaker 1: to project with the offensive line more. You got to
Speaker 1: project with a young guy as to whether or not
Speaker 1: he's going to make the mental adjustment to being an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in the NFL. And it's not as easy
Speaker 1: as you may think.
Speaker 7: I've seen a lot of these insiders in these draft
Speaker 7: analysts and the experts at the combine this week. Compare
Speaker 7: the potential of this D line draft class to twenty
Speaker 7: nineteen when Nick Bosa went, Quinn Williams, Christian Wilkins, Jeffrey Simmons,
Speaker 7: Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence, and the Cardinals even got Zach
Speaker 7: Allen in round three. So if it's that sort of draft,
Speaker 7: I think then the question becomes, you know, a Kenneth
Speaker 7: Grant from Michigan, right, all the measurables, but what's the
Speaker 7: motor like Shamar Stewart, Crazy measurables and athleticism. But where's
Speaker 7: the production. How do you weigh that? Well, if the
Speaker 7: potential and the measurables versus that production in college?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, once again, it is a production, Paul,
Speaker 1: that is it. I mean a projection, not a production.
Speaker 1: It is a projection. And because of that, you really
Speaker 1: don't know so much of this, Polly comes down to
Speaker 1: the individual himself. And that's the reason why the interviews
Speaker 1: are huge at the Combine.
Speaker 7: I heard it said, in fact, it was field Yates
Speaker 7: earlier today on ESPN. This is a great draft for
Speaker 7: front offices that know what they're doing. Interesting. We'll get
Speaker 7: more insights from Charles Davis. He's with Cardinals cover two
Speaker 7: when we come back. In this edition Combine edition of
Speaker 7: the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert.
Speaker 4: Shot gunna snap Murray to throw a fade right side
Speaker 4: of the end zone. I'm the money to Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 2: Touchdown.
Speaker 4: What a throw by Murray. That's his fourth touchdown pass,
Speaker 4: tying a career high.
Speaker 5: You can see that coming a mile away, Marvin Harrison
Speaker 5: Junior one on one against the corner, and he went
Speaker 5: ahead and ran the fade and sure enough, Kyler Murray
Speaker 5: put it out there, and Marvin Harrison Junior went and got.
Speaker 4: It Tex Fitz and let him know that Marvin Harrison
Speaker 4: Junior just tied his rookie record. That's eight touchdown catches,
Speaker 4: tying him with Ankwon, Bolden and Larry for most touchdown
Speaker 4: catches by a rookie and Team Histery.
Speaker 2: Pretty good company right there.
Speaker 7: No doubt, I mean the numbers were there yet. I
Speaker 7: think anybody who watched Cardinals football in twenty twenty four
Speaker 7: there is serious upside still in store from Arvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 7: Agree or disagree with that.
Speaker 2: Ron Wolflinck, no doubt about it, Bully.
Speaker 7: It is a big Red rage Our Combine edition presented
Speaker 7: by santan Ford and Gilbert We are santan Ford. We're
Speaker 7: gonna hear from Charles Davis. CBS analysts always look forward
Speaker 7: to that, but Wolfe was interesting to hear. Jonathan Gannon
Speaker 7: at the podium is fifteen minutes with the media this week,
Speaker 7: bring up on his own Trey Benson and at what
Speaker 7: sort of leap he thinks Trey Benson is going to
Speaker 7: take from his first to his second year. If I
Speaker 7: gave you a choice, between Marvin Harrison Junior, Trey Benson,
Speaker 7: Max Melton, who I thought had a really strong finish
Speaker 7: to his rookie year, and Isaiah Adams, who we know
Speaker 7: puts some good stuff on film and has been in
Speaker 7: the weight room basically every single day since the end
Speaker 7: of last season. If you had to pick one of
Speaker 7: those guys to really excel from year one to year two,
Speaker 7: who do you think is going to take the biggest step,
Speaker 7: the biggest leap.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Polly, I'm gonna go with Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 1: But you know I'm in the danger zone when it
Speaker 1: comes to Marvin Harrison Junior. I just this guy. Expectation
Speaker 1: for him was so incredibly high coming in as a rookie.
Speaker 1: It was really something that I think was inappropriate. I
Speaker 1: should not have had that type of expectation put on
Speaker 1: a rookie coming in trying to be wide receiver one,
Speaker 1: and I reject myself in front of King and country
Speaker 1: for actually doing it. But I do believe in what
Speaker 1: is going to happen next year. The fact that you've
Speaker 1: got Manti asin Fort and JG who believe that a
Speaker 1: rookie comes in and his growth from year one to
Speaker 1: year two is going to be significant. They believe that
Speaker 1: that is dogma and if it doesn't appear, if you
Speaker 1: don't have that growth, then you know what you might
Speaker 1: be moved off of. I think with Marvin Harrison Junior,
Speaker 1: of course, being selected as high as he is, there's
Speaker 1: no way in the world they'd ever move off no
Speaker 1: matter what happens next year or this coming season. But
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now that because of the
Speaker 1: workout that he has and because of the talent that
Speaker 1: he has, those two things are going to come together.
Speaker 1: He cares about his job. I don't think there's going
Speaker 1: to be a bigger improvement from any rookie to year
Speaker 1: two than Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 7: And you know what, he's competitive. When you see him
Speaker 7: on the field, you do realize how competitive he is.
Speaker 7: So when he sees Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas juniors,
Speaker 7: the two all rookie wide receivers, I'm thinking, I'm thinking
Speaker 7: that's motivating, that's going to fuel him this offseason. But
Speaker 7: I'm with you, guiltiest charge. A year ago at this time,
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh boy, you take Marvin Harrison Junior number four,
Speaker 7: just pencil him in Jamar Chase rookie season, Justin Jefferson
Speaker 7: rookie season, Pro Bowl campaigns. And it's not always that easy,
Speaker 7: it's not always that quick getting that sort of success
Speaker 7: in the NFL. No one knows that better than Charles Davis, right,
Speaker 7: CBS analyst and draft guru. And there he was in
Speaker 7: Indianapolis and joining Cardinals. Cover two are Craig Rielou and
Speaker 7: Danny Serek with Charles Davis.
Speaker 10: You got free agency, got the drafts, yep. So for you,
Speaker 10: your analyst had on. When you see the Arizona Cardinals
Speaker 10: coming up in twenty twenty five, what do you want
Speaker 10: to see?
Speaker 2: I wrote some notes down.
Speaker 9: I hope that's okay, perfect.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Defensively, who's your wreckord that's going to go? Get a quarterback?
Speaker 9: Can you get an edge guy? Know bj Ojalari? Can
Speaker 9: he come back from injury? But you know that's like
Speaker 9: coming back from knees oftentimes it's the second year and
Speaker 9: not the first year. But can you have those people
Speaker 9: who can put into pressure? I wrote down edge, I
Speaker 9: wrote down interior defensive line continue to get better and stronger. There,
Speaker 9: wide receiver, continue to supplement around. I think there'll be
Speaker 9: a breakout for Marvin Harrison, I really do. I think
Speaker 9: he's going to continue to go. I thought Michael Wilson
Speaker 9: had a nice year last year, offensive front, offensive guard,
Speaker 9: offensive tackle. I think they've done a nice job and
Speaker 9: it seems to me they like big people, right. That
Speaker 9: seems to be where they want to go with this,
Speaker 9: with how they want to run the football with James
Speaker 9: Connor and crew, I think this is a draft that
Speaker 9: has a lot of big offensive linemen in it that
Speaker 9: they can plug in and go and listen. I don't
Speaker 9: mind playing the young offensive lineman. I think a lot
Speaker 9: of people worry about that. Sometimes it can bite you.
Speaker 9: Kansas City struggled because they drafted Kingsley's so Ma Tayya
Speaker 9: out of BYU in the second round, hoping he would
Speaker 9: be their left tackle. Didn't happen, and you guys know
Speaker 9: what happened from there, because Joe Toney is at all
Speaker 9: Pro guard, he's not an all Pro tackle, and it
Speaker 9: killed him.
Speaker 2: In the Super Bowl.
Speaker 13: A bright spot for the Cardinals defense was the secondary,
Speaker 13: especially that back half of the season, and you got
Speaker 13: to see it now. Cardinals defense was some of the
Speaker 13: best in keeping opponents out of the end zone. A
Speaker 13: league low ten passing touchdowns allot on the last eleven games.
Speaker 13: A lot of young faces though in that group, especially
Speaker 13: in the cornerbacks room. What positives did you see from
Speaker 13: that room specifically for the Cardinals for the future and
Speaker 13: what that's going to look like.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you saw the growth, You saw the stature. Sighting
Speaker 9: gives you a lot more confidence of what's going on
Speaker 9: back there. I think that they can walk into that
Speaker 9: room now and realize we are not just Buddha Baker
Speaker 9: and a bunch of other people. And I think with
Speaker 9: Nick Rollis's way of playing, they're able to make plays,
Speaker 9: be quicker to the football, see it in front of them,
Speaker 9: and do it. And I can't wait to see what
Speaker 9: their improvement's going to be. And I can't wait to
Speaker 9: see what competition many Austin for it brings in for
Speaker 9: him too, because he's not gonna stand.
Speaker 10: Pat When you look at the Cardinals wide receivers. You
Speaker 10: brought Marvin, you brought Michael Wilson, What are you seeing
Speaker 10: from them that gives you belief that, Okay, there's something there?
Speaker 10: Because as a defensive back, they make it difficult for
Speaker 10: me to defend two things.
Speaker 9: Size post catch, I gotta go through this big body,
Speaker 9: strong physically Harrison Wilson. And then when they do catch it,
Speaker 9: I gotta get them on the ground. If I don't
Speaker 9: get him on the ground, I got a problem. That's
Speaker 9: the key. But that's why, that's what I see with
Speaker 9: these receivers. And obviously Trade McBride is your ultimate example,
Speaker 9: even though he's a tight end. But I'm counting the
Speaker 9: tight ends with receivers more and more of these days.
Speaker 7: It's funny that reminds me the great quote from Ben
Speaker 7: Steele not too long ago, the tight Ends coach about
Speaker 7: Trey McBride in the entire tight end room, if you
Speaker 7: don't block, then you're just a slow receiver, which is
Speaker 7: one of our favorites right there, and Trey McBride the
Speaker 7: complete tight end. Something you've been on about Charles Davis
Speaker 7: there from the combine with Danny Surak and Craig Grielou.
Speaker 7: You can catch the whole entire interview starting on Friday,
Speaker 7: Cardinals cover two. All right, Wolf, just general takeaways from
Speaker 7: what you heard there from NFL Networking CBS analyst Charles Davis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that right there where you said defensively,
Speaker 1: who's your wrecker. Who is that guy? And there are
Speaker 1: a lot of teams out there that do whether he's
Speaker 1: on the edge or he's an interior defensive lineman, a
Speaker 1: three technique or a combination thereof Right there? Who is
Speaker 1: the wrecker for the Arizona Cardinals. Now listen, Darius Robinson.
Speaker 1: He could possibly be that wrecker at some point in time,
Speaker 1: but he's got to prove that he is that guy.
Speaker 1: Pj Ojalai you heard him actually acknowledge him. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what this guy could promising, but once again, a
Speaker 1: young guy that's got to prove it. I thought immediately
Speaker 1: of Kenneth Grant and Mason Grant. I thought of those
Speaker 1: two guys specifically three techniques defensive tackles in interior defensive
Speaker 1: lineman from Michigan. Those two guys, Kenneth Grant and Mason Graham.
Speaker 1: I really really love their play. And I think Kenneth
Speaker 1: Grant in particular, a guy that I know might have
Speaker 1: some questions from time to time, but he's a big dude.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: He's three hundred and forty two pounds. A lot of
Speaker 1: people say he doesn't have the motor that you'd like
Speaker 1: to see. But for me, watching what I've seen of
Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant and what I've read on him. That guy
Speaker 1: right there, I'll take him and I'll plug him in immediately.
Speaker 7: And you know what, if there's a couple of things
Speaker 7: we've learned about mante Ossiborne, Jonathan gannon A. They only
Speaker 7: want players who are deadly serious about football and be
Speaker 7: for the most part, they believe it's a big man's game. Yes,
Speaker 7: and we've seen those two shall we say tenants in
Speaker 7: each and every draft pick virtually is that's how they
Speaker 7: screen guys, and when given the option, they will go
Speaker 7: that direction, will they not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they will definitely do that. Paully can I
Speaker 1: also say this. I loved his comment on I don't
Speaker 1: mind playing young offensive linemen that I agree with, but
Speaker 1: the Paris Johnson juniors man, that is the exception to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the exception.
Speaker 2: And not the rule.
Speaker 1: For the most part. It's what I was talking about
Speaker 1: in regard to free agency. I like offensive linemen who
Speaker 1: have played in the league. I like looking at them
Speaker 1: up against NFL defensive lineman not just in one game,
Speaker 1: not just in ten games, but in three years of
Speaker 1: watching this guy play against that caliber of a defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: I think it gives you a better footing as to
Speaker 1: what he could actually do when it comes to projecting
Speaker 1: a player into your offense and the kind of production
Speaker 1: you might be able to get out of him. I think,
Speaker 1: once again, offensive lineman making that transition into the NFL,
Speaker 1: it typically takes them a couple of years, just like
Speaker 1: Paris Johnson Junior. I think it's taken him a couple
Speaker 1: of years right now. But I like free agents. That's
Speaker 1: what I like in terms of offensive lineman. But I
Speaker 1: like the fact that Charles said he didn't mind taking
Speaker 1: a young offensive lineman.
Speaker 7: And if it isn't Tyler Booker out of Alabama at
Speaker 7: number sixteen, and a lot of mock drafts have Miami
Speaker 7: the Dolphin snagging him at thirteen, then there's at least
Speaker 7: three other offensive guards I was looking that might make
Speaker 7: sense if you trade down in the first round or
Speaker 7: perhaps at number forty seven in round two. So I
Speaker 7: wouldn't be shocked if that's the direction the Cardinals go.
Speaker 7: Is interesting. Darius Robinson came up there, and Jonathan Gannon
Speaker 7: at the combine this week said he was never totally
Speaker 7: healthy the entire season. Yeah, and you know what, he
Speaker 7: was never off the injury part all year. So what
Speaker 7: does that mean for year two for d Rob And
Speaker 7: then when it comes to defensive linemen and edge rushers
Speaker 7: in particular, I have the quote in front of me
Speaker 7: JG talking in the media. He said, you know what,
Speaker 7: being disruptive in the passing game, that's the first thing
Speaker 7: I look for. And when you look at our defense,
Speaker 7: hit zoom out. JG saying that's the way we can
Speaker 7: improve is to disrupt the quarterback a little bit better
Speaker 7: than we did last year. Said that's how we take
Speaker 7: the next step. He called it as a defense, and
Speaker 7: then he said, acquisition is a way you could help that,
Speaker 7: whether it's free agency or the draft, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, for me, Paulie, once again, what's the next
Speaker 1: step for the Arizona Cardinals For me? Be able to
Speaker 1: rush for and drop seven. You've heard me talk about
Speaker 1: this before in the past, Pauli, but it's so critical
Speaker 1: and I think you saw it in Super Bowl fifty
Speaker 1: nine as well. The ability to be able to rush
Speaker 1: for and get pressure on a quarterback and drop seven
Speaker 1: and the impact that it truly has on that quarterback.
Speaker 1: If you can get to that point, man, you are
Speaker 1: way ahead of the game right now. And Nick Rowlis
Speaker 1: did a great job scheming up pressures for the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Doing a great job with that.
Speaker 1: But man, I want to see this team get to
Speaker 1: a point where they have four guys that they can
Speaker 1: line up and rush the passer and drop seven. But
Speaker 1: that starts, Paul with having one guy that you can
Speaker 1: really count on to do that, and then you get
Speaker 1: to and.
Speaker 2: Then move on.
Speaker 7: You're absolutely right. I mean, how often did Nick Rowless
Speaker 7: last year play mad scientists?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, we called it eleven card pickup where you
Speaker 7: didn't know who was playing what position. That was out
Speaker 7: of necessity in a lot of times. So what if
Speaker 7: you can just rush for and drop seven? The possibilities
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Speaker 4: Give to cook up the middle and he's tackled at
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage by Mac Wilson making his Cardinal debut,
Speaker 4: gets a tackle for a loss.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5: Mack Wolson Senior shot the gap and made the play.
Speaker 2: Ron played of the right.
Speaker 4: Cook wrapped up and dropped in the backfield by Wilson.
Speaker 5: Incredible job by mack Wilson Senior coming from the.
Speaker 2: Backside of the play. Huge play by mack Wilson.
Speaker 4: Sor pressure up the middle, pass batt down by Wilson
Speaker 4: at the line incomplete. Mac Wilson jumped up into the air,
Speaker 4: got a hand on it, hands it off for Cook
Speaker 4: and he's cut down at the twenty yard line. Mac
Speaker 4: Wilson with the hit. Big hit by the Cardinal newcomer,
Speaker 4: Mac Wilson.
Speaker 2: Senior getting a little grease right there. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, if you and a day, Pash called his number,
Speaker 7: called his name quite a bit this past season. An
Speaker 7: outstanding free agent signing by Mania support and the Cardinals.
Speaker 7: If you flash back to the free agent class twenty
Speaker 7: twenty four, we also had Sean Murphy bunting at corner
Speaker 7: DJ Dallas. You had Justin Jones, Blall and Nichols along
Speaker 7: that defensive line. Both expected to have big rebound years
Speaker 7: this year. Evan Brown Jonah Williams. But once again, MacWilson Senior,
Speaker 7: what you saw in film and New England right that projection,
Speaker 7: it was almost like a college draft pick in some
Speaker 7: ways because he was used sparingly and really the only
Speaker 7: final month plus of the season for the Patriots. But
Speaker 7: what you saw in that four or five game span, Man,
Speaker 7: did he build on that over a seventeen game season
Speaker 7: for the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm with you on that, Polly, Seriously, I
Speaker 1: think MacWilson Sr. Is going to be a very very
Speaker 1: important piece to what the Arizona Cardinals defense does this year.
Speaker 1: Can I also say, though, going back to Blown Nichols
Speaker 1: and Justin Jones, those two guys right there, Paully, I
Speaker 1: really do believe are going to come back this year
Speaker 1: and have a little bit more focus, if you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, a little bit more impetus to actually
Speaker 1: go out there and re establish themselves on this roster.
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons why I say that is
Speaker 1: because I do expect the Arizona Cardinals to go out
Speaker 1: there and bring some young guys in, whether it's through
Speaker 1: free agency or whether it's going to be through the draft,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. I do believe that the depth
Speaker 1: on the defensive line is this is going to be
Speaker 1: one of the better camp battles.
Speaker 7: I think Pauli and look what happened LJ. Collier two
Speaker 7: years ago, right when he went down early in the season,
Speaker 7: first game of the season twenty twenty three. Then he
Speaker 7: really rebounded with a big year for the Cardinals and
Speaker 7: that defensive front. So hopefully you figure that's in store
Speaker 7: for Justin Jones, Ball Nichols. Here's Manias aboard the GM
Speaker 7: the decision maker on building through free agency versus the
Speaker 7: draft this week at the combine.
Speaker 8: That's always a balance, right because you know, I think
Speaker 8: we talk about, hey, when we get through free agency,
Speaker 8: can we go out and play a game? Because I
Speaker 8: think what we don't want to do is we don't
Speaker 8: want to go into a draft and saying, hey, we
Speaker 8: absolutely have to draft this position to fill this need.
Speaker 8: You know, I think that's that's a tough place to
Speaker 8: be in because you don't know who's going to be available.
Speaker 8: You don't know if that player is ready to fill
Speaker 8: that role, right, And so I think that's a balance.
Speaker 8: It's a balance of the roster building of hey, where
Speaker 8: are we going to sink our resources free agency wise,
Speaker 8: and then that opens up possibilities in the draft.
Speaker 7: And we've talked a lot about the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 7: both D line, O line, and there could be free
Speaker 7: agent signings, especially on the old line that are coming.
Speaker 7: They're in store here in a couple of weeks. But
Speaker 7: what about middle linebacker. You talk about mac Wilson Senior.
Speaker 7: You got to talk about Kaizer White because last we
Speaker 7: heard from those two guys, it was on social media,
Speaker 7: Kaizer White posting thank you AZ at the end of
Speaker 7: the year, and then MacWilson Senior responding, say, no, don't
Speaker 7: do this to me. Appreciate you for everything, Go get yours.
Speaker 7: And so look, MANI was ahead of the curve and
Speaker 7: getting deals done with Buddha Baker and James Connor and
Speaker 7: Xavin Collins. I wonder if he tried to get a
Speaker 7: deal done with Kaizer White. They didn't agree on a number.
Speaker 7: And now Kaizer White is headed a free agency and
Speaker 7: what does that mean for the Cardinals when it comes
Speaker 7: to the quarterback of your defense.
Speaker 1: Boy, that is a tough one right there.
Speaker 2: Paully.
Speaker 1: I know you have thoughts on this as well, but
Speaker 1: just thinking of Kaizer White and the fact that Nick
Speaker 1: Rawlis named his baby after him. You know, I think
Speaker 1: that has an awful lot to do. I mean, the
Speaker 1: respect that Nick Rawlis has for Kaizer White and JG
Speaker 1: as well, and even Manti Ausen for it, there's no
Speaker 1: denying it. The respect they have for Kaiser White cannot
Speaker 1: be measured, I think with human hands. Yet at the
Speaker 1: same time, he's going to test the waters and sometimes, Paully,
Speaker 1: that's the best thing you could possibly do. I know
Speaker 1: that's something the Rams are doing right now with Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1: They're letting him go out there and see what kind
Speaker 1: of deal will you be able to get out there
Speaker 1: with somebody else, and then we'll talk about the possibilities.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that isn't what happened with Kaizer White
Speaker 1: as well. I wonder if that wasn't a situation. And
Speaker 1: again it's neither here nor there. I don't know, no,
Speaker 1: but he's told me this. It's just me looking at
Speaker 1: it from the outside in. I wonder if Mani Austin
Speaker 1: for it. Hey, Kaizer, you go out there and you
Speaker 1: try to get what you possibly can, and then we'll
Speaker 1: tell you if we're interested in matching that offer.
Speaker 7: No, it's a very plausible theory. You flashed back two
Speaker 7: years ago at this time. Jonathan ginn and obviously had
Speaker 7: knowledge of Kaizer White from his days as the Eagles
Speaker 7: defensive coordinator, right brought Kaizer over from Philly.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 7: JG was asked about that this week at the combine.
Speaker 7: Just having familiarity with certain free agents.
Speaker 14: Anytime you have like real time experience with a player,
Speaker 14: you kind of kind of know a little bit. You know,
Speaker 14: free agency is just like all players. There's a little
Speaker 14: bit of unknown with all those guys. That decreases the
Speaker 14: unknown with me because I was with him for a
Speaker 14: couple of years. So we'll look at all the players
Speaker 14: in free agency see if they fit us. I know
Speaker 14: there's a money component to everything, but at the end
Speaker 14: of the day, we'll do what's best for us and
Speaker 14: try to acquire guys that are going to help us win.
Speaker 7: And of course, the media followed up by saying, you know, coach,
Speaker 7: when you defensive coordinator of Philly, you had a guy
Speaker 7: by the name of Josh Sweat who starred in the
Speaker 7: Super Bowl. You had a guy by the name of
Speaker 7: Milton Williams defensive wrecking ball interior d line. So that
Speaker 7: was sort of the genesis of that question. Now, those
Speaker 7: two guys are going to be in high demand and
Speaker 7: probably gonna get high dollars, I would imagine in the
Speaker 7: open marketplace.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be really interesting to see what Josh
Speaker 1: Sweat gets, PAULI, because he's going to be going into
Speaker 1: his eighth year and it's not like Josh Sweat. It's
Speaker 1: not like you looked at Josh Sweat and you thought
Speaker 1: to yourself, man, this guy is one of the best
Speaker 1: edge rushers in the history of the game or he now.
Speaker 1: Has he done well? Of course he has. He's gone
Speaker 1: out there. He had eight sacks last year, the year
Speaker 1: before that six and a half. He did have eleven
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two that was the most. But this
Speaker 1: is a guy who's played seven years in the league
Speaker 1: right now, will be going into his eighth year, and
Speaker 1: it's not like he's done nothing but post double digit
Speaker 1: sacks for the most part. So I have to won
Speaker 1: at this point in time just how many offers he's
Speaker 1: going to get and what that offer will be. Now,
Speaker 1: for me, I'm really really encouraged because I think Josh
Speaker 1: Sweat might actually give the Arizona Cardinals a free agent discount,
Speaker 1: if you will, because of JG and because of Nick Rawlis.
Speaker 1: And we also know that the Cardinals looking at Josh
Speaker 1: Sweat man, they have the price of admission, as JG
Speaker 1: likes to say, And knowing Josh Sweat, I would imagine
Speaker 1: he feels really really good about possibly bringing him in here.
Speaker 1: We'll have to wait and see how this unfolds, of course,
Speaker 1: and it's all speculation, but I'm going to put the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals as possibly the front runner for Josh Sweat.
Speaker 7: Interesting, you know, the low key priority for Mania Saport,
Speaker 7: maybe just because I've seen his name pop up on
Speaker 7: a few lists of potential free agent pass rushers. Baron Browning, Yes,
Speaker 7: still fairly young. I thought he finished with a flourish.
Speaker 7: You know, we talked to JG on his TV show
Speaker 7: every week. Once he got totally healthy, once he got
Speaker 7: familiar with the defense, and he was playing and not thinking,
Speaker 7: and he had all his skills at his disposal, he
Speaker 7: finished pretty strong, didn't he.
Speaker 1: Paully?
Speaker 2: How about this right here? Now?
Speaker 1: Listen, you know how I feel Pro football focus is
Speaker 1: not the end all be all. It's not yet at
Speaker 1: the same time, they had Baron Browning ranked number five
Speaker 1: in terms of edge rushers in free agency.
Speaker 2: Wow, number five. Ball interesting to your point.
Speaker 7: Okay, So yeah, and I think you know what I
Speaker 7: might have seen that. I think that was like the
Speaker 7: second half of the season. They sort of took the
Speaker 7: guys who made the biggest imprint on the game and defensively.
Speaker 7: And yeah, so I'm curious how they value him, and
Speaker 7: I'm curious if they get a deal done because his
Speaker 7: money said this week, once you go to market, anything
Speaker 7: can happen. Anyone can go and throw some big money.
Speaker 7: By the way, the best news for you Wolf, as
Speaker 7: the NFL said today, they're trying to find a way
Speaker 7: to bring on sidekicks. Yeah, baby back into the game.
Speaker 2: Hey, give me a call.
Speaker 1: I'll let you know.
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