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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast we come to

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Speaker 1: every Wednesday. I'm your host, Claude Harmon. This week's guest

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Speaker 1: probably not a household name for a lot of you,

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Speaker 1: but one of my favorite golf writers, Joy Chakravarti. I've

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Speaker 1: known Joy for a long time from my time in Dubai.

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Speaker 1: I think he's one of the best writers around. I

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Speaker 1: like his view. I've always liked his worldview on world golf,

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Speaker 1: on the DP World Tour, on Asia, on what's going

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Speaker 1: on all around the world. And I think he brings

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Speaker 1: a unique perspective because he has seen golf kind of

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Speaker 1: on a global scale. He's seen all of the tours

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Speaker 1: around the world, a lot of these tours from the

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Speaker 1: developing nations, and listen, the holy grail has always been

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Speaker 1: to get to the PGA Tour. That's where you knew

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Speaker 1: that if you were a great player, you were not

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Speaker 1: only going to play against the best players in the world,

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Speaker 1: but that was where the money was. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we talk a lot about that. We talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about all the different things going on. We talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, what's going on with the PGA Tour, what's

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Speaker 1: going on with liv But I got to catch up

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Speaker 1: with him in Mical last week. I was there for

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Speaker 1: the International series, and you know, he has a unique

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Speaker 1: perspective on how we grow the game on a global scale,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's what I hope is going to

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Speaker 1: see golf become more global. We're going to see the

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Speaker 1: greatest players in the game playing around the world, and

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Speaker 1: that the fans around the world will get to see

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Speaker 1: the best players in the world. So wanted to get

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Speaker 1: Joy on and get his perspective. Like I said, he's

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite writers, and I think everyone's going

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Speaker 1: to enjoy listening to him if you haven't heard from

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Speaker 1: him before. He has some really good takes on what

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Speaker 1: is going on in the game. So sit back and

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Speaker 1: enjoy a really good interview. Joy. You and I have

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Speaker 1: known each other a long time, and I certainly think

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Speaker 1: you're one of the best golf journalists out there because

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Speaker 1: you have such so much more of a worldview, and

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Speaker 1: that's the reason why I kind of wanted to get

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Speaker 1: you to come on and talk. You wrote a really

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Speaker 1: interesting article last week about Obviously Live kind of pulling

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Speaker 1: out of their bid to get world rankings, but you

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Speaker 1: made an interesting argument that other tours should kind of

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Speaker 1: follow suit, and maybe the world rankings in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're dead, but it just doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem like they are a very accurate way of looking

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Speaker 1: unless you're specifically looking at the PGA Tour, because more

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Speaker 1: and more it seems like it's almost they're the PGA

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Speaker 1: Tour rankings as opposed to the world rankings.

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Speaker 2: You know, Claude, first of all, thank you for having

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Speaker 2: me with you on the podcast. I really, uh enjoy

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Speaker 2: it a lot whatever you do, apart from doctoring the

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Speaker 2: golf swing of so many people. But you know, Claude,

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Speaker 2: before I start, I must say I've had a great

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Speaker 2: appreciation for what you have done, and I think that

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Speaker 2: has only grown in the last three weeks because I

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Speaker 2: saw you doubling up in pain and sitting in the

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Speaker 2: hotel room in Jeddah and you told me that you

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Speaker 2: have to go through an MRI scan for your back,

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Speaker 2: and yet you were there every day out on the

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Speaker 2: course walking around. I'm in man, that takes I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: It's part of it's for the job. I appreciate you

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Speaker 2: But but but you, honestly, I mean that takes a

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Speaker 2: lot of commitment and dedication, you know, to to your players,

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Speaker 2: to all, and so I really honestly appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying that. But further to my point,

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Speaker 1: you've been a part of global golf right and there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of people listening that I think they

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Speaker 1: are guilty at times that just seeing the PGA Tour

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Speaker 1: and golf in America, and from a professional standpoint, as

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Speaker 1: that is somewhat the end all be all, and part

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Speaker 1: of I think what has made the fabric of professional

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Speaker 1: golf over the last twenty five to thirty years. Who

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Speaker 1: has been the wider world If you look at all

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Speaker 1: of the great players that came out of the European

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Speaker 1: these majors, the fabric of professional golf is filled with

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Speaker 1: players that just aren't from the US and play on

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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. But yet to a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: So that's the thing. Claude and that's where the article

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Speaker 1: Listen, the PGA Tour is the benchmark. They always have been.

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Speaker 1: If you talk to anybody in the last thirty years,

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Speaker 1: the goal has been if you're not playing in America,

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Speaker 1: the goal was always top fifty because you knew if

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Speaker 1: you got inside the top fifty in the official World

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Speaker 1: the majors. Then you were going to be eligible for

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Speaker 1: the big invites. From the likes of Bayhill, from the

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Speaker 2: Yea.

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Speaker 1: And it seems like right now, the way the world

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Speaker 1: rankings are set up, the only way you can move

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Speaker 1: So that Ludwig Aberg I mean a fantastic talent, like

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Speaker 1: an amazing, brilliant young talent. He's top ten in the world.

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Speaker 1: He's never played in a major, he's only been a

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Speaker 1: I think he is a future global superstar. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think the kid is a stud, right. I think

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Speaker 1: to see his name for the next ten to fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: I think we're going to see his name on leader

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Speaker 1: That's how good of a player he is. But when

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Ludwig is a great example of what the

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Speaker 2: not forget his roots. He's not from the US and

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Speaker 2: there are so many other players like Tom Kim. Tom Kim, I.

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Speaker 1: Had Chouman sat on my podcast a couple of years

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Speaker 1: we won't see his story happen again. We won't see

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Speaker 2: Not that's not happening.

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Speaker 1: That's not happening anymore. And that's what I don't think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people realize is stories like Tom Kim.

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Speaker 1: I think Tom's been one of the great stories in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so uh, Claude, just just from from where I

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Speaker 2: you know, performances of Jief which would upstage cricket from

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Speaker 2: another dunkin and the making. But really get to the

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Speaker 1: Why do you think there has been a reluction of

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Speaker 1: reluctance from the governing bodies in the world rankings. With

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Speaker 1: They knew they weren't going to get any world ranking points.

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Speaker 1: They only play fifty four holes. There's no cuts. For

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Speaker 1: all the reasons why everyone is against the World Rankings

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Speaker 1: is to rank the best players in the world. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And I think there is an argument on the other side.

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Speaker 1: Everybody says, listen, the guys that went to Live they

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Speaker 1: think there is another argument to where it's the official

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Speaker 1: the best players. And what I can't figure out, Joys,

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Speaker 1: We've got this, We've got this unbelievable talent. Ludwig Augberg, right,

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Speaker 1: has his breakout. Right, he came out of a system,

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Speaker 1: the college system, right, which is fifty four holes. There's

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Speaker 1: golf team. He would say, well, no, we would have

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Speaker 1: And every week on the US college system there's an

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Speaker 1: individual winner. Yeah, there's a team winner every single week.

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Speaker 1: So they figured out a way to make sure the

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Speaker 1: or change the world rankings to reflect where the game

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Speaker 2: dad and he said that if I had told my

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Speaker 2: dad that I'm not going to go to Live, my

436
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Speaker 2: dad would have slapped me then and there and.

437
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Speaker 1: Said, you're crazy enough to take this financial opportunity.

438
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Speaker 2: And it has opened so much, so many doors for

439
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Speaker 2: the college players. I mean everything that the PDIA Tour

440
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Speaker 2: is now doing.

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Speaker 1: It pore you is a reaction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's after that.

443
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Speaker 1: And Joey, you've also known, like all of us involved

444
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Speaker 1: in professional golf, the Eye Test PG Tour you should

445
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Speaker 1: have happened fifteen years ago. The players were good enough.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen years ago we were seeing these players come through

447
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Speaker 1: with no fear. And it wasn't until and so all

448
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Speaker 1: of the negative stuff that I hear a lot of

449
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Speaker 1: people talk about with regards to live coming into professional golf,

450
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Speaker 1: one of the positive things is it forced the PGA

451
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Speaker 1: Tour to look at the universities and go, we have

452
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Speaker 1: to find a way to get give these great players

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Speaker 1: a pathway directly to the PGA.

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Speaker 2: I think that's that's one of the best things to

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Speaker 2: come out of it. Otherwise you had to be like

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Speaker 2: massively talented and to get into the pediator the very

457
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Speaker 2: next year. If somebody like you Heno, who's such an

458
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Speaker 2: amazing talent, or David Pute, if they had to wait

459
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Speaker 2: a couple of years just to try to get into

460
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Speaker 2: a good door, how bad that would be for world golf.

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Speaker 2: You know that somebody like that has to has to

462
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Speaker 2: just struggle.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting. You know, we we like

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Speaker 1: in golf this story of struggle. You know, we love

465
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Speaker 1: hearing stories that. You know this Jake Napkin, he was

466
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Speaker 1: a bouncer two years ago. We had to go get

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Speaker 1: a job as a bouncer because he couldn't continue to

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Speaker 1: afford to try and play competitive professional golf. We don't

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Speaker 1: hear that story in any other professional sport. We don't

470
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Speaker 1: like in America, there's nobody playing in the NFL who's

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Speaker 1: also an uber driver, who's got a second job.

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Speaker 2: You have Barry Henson, but.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, there is nobody currently playing

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Speaker 1: in the English Premiership. There are no Formula one drivers

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Speaker 1: there's no one playing on the England national cricket team,

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Speaker 1: there's no one playing on the on the on the

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Speaker 1: All Blacks, the New Zealand rugby team, that has another job.

478
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Speaker 1: They are paid professional athletes. But in golf there is

479
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Speaker 1: this want for struggle. We want to see guys struggle,

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Speaker 1: and I just don't get where that comes from, because

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Speaker 1: there's no other walk of life other than professional tennis.

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Speaker 1: I think is the only thing that's similar. But why

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Speaker 1: do you think it is that we want golfers to

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Speaker 1: struggle so much.

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Speaker 2: One part of it is probably inspiration and motivation. Everyone

486
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Speaker 2: looks for a story where you know, you can tell that, okay,

487
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Speaker 2: he was he was son of a greenskeeper and he

488
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Speaker 2: has become what he is now. I mean, it's always

489
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Speaker 2: a great story. So that is definitely a part of it.

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Speaker 2: But I mean you're right in the sense that we

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Speaker 2: don't talk.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, if I take the example of cricket,

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Speaker 2: I mean there are there are obviously, you know, players

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Speaker 2: like for example, one of our players who did really

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Speaker 2: well against England and the ongoing Test series, he comes

497
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Speaker 2: from a very poor family. He stayed on the streets

498
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Speaker 2: in Mumbai. Those are all very inspirational stories. But will

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Speaker 2: we be talking in the same breath and the same

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Speaker 2: stories about ten years from now when he's an established

501
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Speaker 2: member of the team. I don't think so. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there's also this big thing with the

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Speaker 1: PGA Tour that there's this narrative that all the people

504
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Speaker 1: that left the PGA Tour for live. Everybody says, how

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Speaker 1: could you possibly turn your back on the platform that

506
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Speaker 1: gave you all of these things? Yet nobody has any

507
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Speaker 1: problem with Basically, over the last twenty five years, the

508
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Speaker 1: majority of the European Ryder Cup team, where do they

509
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Speaker 1: all live? They live in the US. Where do they

510
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Speaker 1: all play their golf? They play? Think about the tournaments

511
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Speaker 1: that the guys that support Europe go back for. They

512
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Speaker 1: go back for co sanctions events. Now they're not. John

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Speaker 1: Ram's the only one. John Ram is the only guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Roy McElroy didn't even play the Irish Open, right, yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: He moved to America and basically played almost the majority

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Speaker 1: of golf. Listen. I don't have a problem with that.

517
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Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with that. But this thing

518
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Speaker 1: that all the guys that left the PGA Tour and

519
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Speaker 1: went to library goes, how could you turn your back

520
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Speaker 1: on the tour and the platform that gave your start.

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Speaker 1: Luke Donald lives in America. I don't. I mean he

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Speaker 1: he left Europe so fast, like everybody left. I don't

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Speaker 1: have any problem with that, because the PGA Tour was

524
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Speaker 1: the only thing in town. It was the show, right.

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Speaker 1: I asked Victor Hovland this year, how many real European

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Speaker 1: tour events will you play in twenty twenty four? Not Wentworth,

527
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Speaker 1: not not Scotland, not the Clue, any of the real European.

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Speaker 2: He said, maybe.

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Speaker 1: And if you look now, you can win DP World.

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Speaker 1: Now you win the race for Dubai and play all

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Speaker 1: the majors, play the big events, play one of the

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Speaker 1: big events in the Middle East, and then play the

533
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Speaker 1: co sanctioned PGA Tour events was and never really play

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Speaker 1: any European Tour events and win the Order of Merit.

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Speaker 1: We see that every year every year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there are so many tournaments on the dp

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Speaker 2: WILL Tour, which the field you would really want it

538
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Speaker 2: to be better. I mean some of the sponsors, because

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Speaker 2: most of the stars they just go out to and

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Speaker 2: I mean Ryan Fox, Minwooli. These guys have got an opportunity,

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Speaker 2: they will go and play over there. They they were

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Speaker 2: the big stars of last year. And talking about platform,

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Speaker 2: one thing that I'm very clear of God is that

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Speaker 2: the are not the platform that you know makes up

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Speaker 2: the player. I for me, the platform is mom, dad,

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Speaker 2: brothers and sisters. If they don't give you that kind

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Speaker 2: of support growing up, if they don't financially support you

548
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Speaker 2: those when the player becomes a player, it's only that

549
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Speaker 2: family and the and the near by relatives or the

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Speaker 2: first coach who has done all the hard work, that

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Speaker 2: is the platform. If the if the pediator says that

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Speaker 2: you're showing us your back now that we have established you,

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Speaker 2: that's wrong because they are not the ones. The coaches,

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Speaker 2: the early coaches, and the parents, I think they are

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Speaker 2: the platform. And if by coming to live or going

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Speaker 2: to the pediator you can make them happier and financially

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Speaker 2: well off, why not.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me like anybody that will have to

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Speaker 1: PJ Tour is turning their back on this platform that

560
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Speaker 1: gave them their start, and they should be loyal to that.

561
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Speaker 1: But I haven't seen anybody really be one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: loyal to the Asian Tour or the DP World Tour

563
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Speaker 1: once they had I mean, I talked to Matthew Pavaughan.

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Speaker 1: I said, Matthew, Matthew one of the guys, one of

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Speaker 1: the ten guys now that got a full PGA Tour

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Speaker 1: card on the PGA Tour this year. He played in

567
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Speaker 1: Europe his whole career. He won Tory Pines this year.

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Speaker 1: I asked Matthew the same thing, how many real European

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Speaker 1: Tour events will you play this year? And he said none,

570
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Speaker 1: He's going to focus on the PGA Tour. But nobody

571
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Speaker 1: looks at Matthew, but one it says, how could you

572
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Speaker 1: turn your back on the platform that the year everything

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Speaker 1: the European Tour did for you. And here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: All we've listened to for the last three years is

575
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Speaker 1: talk about money, money, money, and everybody say it, it's

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Speaker 1: not about money. It's not about money. It's about trophies,

577
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Speaker 1: it's about legacy, it's not about money. But the European

578
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Speaker 1: Tour is no longer the un European Tour. The European

579
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Speaker 1: Tour is known as the DP World Tour. They have

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Speaker 1: a corporate sponsor. But it's not about money. But the

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Speaker 1: European Tour is no longer the European Tour, It's the

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Speaker 1: DP World Tour because they had to go find a

583
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Speaker 1: sponsor before the PGA Tour came to bail them out.

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Speaker 1: This special relationship, in this agreement between DP World and

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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. Now the ten best players every year

586
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Speaker 1: are going straight from Europe to the PGA Tour. But

587
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Speaker 1: yet there's a big people get Certain people get really

588
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Speaker 1: upset if you say, well, basically the European Tour has

589
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: just become a feeder tour to the PGA Tour. But

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Speaker 1: doesn't it seem like that is what's happening.

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Speaker 2: It is and you know it has. It has happened.

592
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Speaker 2: Whenever play gets better, I mean like Nick Faldo got

593
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Speaker 2: rent to the PDIA to marry McIlroy went to the Pediator.

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Speaker 2: You always tend to gravitate where you think your best

595
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: life is, your best competition is. You always go towards that.

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Speaker 2: What is happening right now is that the only problem

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Speaker 2: I have. The pathways are good. I mean, ten cards

598
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: is an amazing thing for a deep world toe play.

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Speaker 2: If if somebody like my country made Chubhanker gets a

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Speaker 2: card to the Pediator, I'll be delighted for him. He'll

601
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Speaker 2: be delighted for himself and his family, you know. But

602
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 2: the thing is that they still have to figure out

603
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Speaker 2: a way how to make apart from the few Rolics

604
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Speaker 2: Series events, how to make the other tournaments more stronger

605
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Speaker 2: on the DP world. Yes, and otherwise. I mean, for example,

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Speaker 2: last year we had the Abuda BHSV Say Golf Championship

607
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Speaker 2: and there were only two players in the top fifty

608
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Speaker 2: who were playing that week, Shane Lowry and Tommy Fleetwood

609
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Speaker 2: or top thirty, I would say, and that was to

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Speaker 2: make it Jane so much so that you know, the

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Speaker 2: tournament is now towards the back end of the season. Yep.

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Speaker 1: So well, the running joke at any time you went

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Speaker 1: to Dubai, anytime you went to Abu Dhabi, anytime you

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Speaker 1: went to Guitar, the running joke was the five to

615
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: six pay players that were paid to go there were

616
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Speaker 1: getting paid more than the prize fund. If you look

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Speaker 1: at it, if you look at Abudabi and Dubai over

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Speaker 1: the last twenty years, and you look at the prize fund,

619
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Speaker 1: but you look at the superstars, the global superstars that

620
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Speaker 1: played one over there from the PGA Tour. Anybody that

621
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Speaker 1: thinks they're going over there to win three hundred grand

622
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Speaker 1: fly fifteen hours just out of the goodness of their

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Speaker 1: own heart. They're all going over there because they're getting paid.

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Speaker 1: And then the other dirty little secret that nobody talks

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Speaker 1: about is if you were a young player beforehand, before

626
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, you you signed with a management company, and

627
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons you signed with that management company

628
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Speaker 1: is they say, listen, and we've got big stars that

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Speaker 1: are gonna be playing. We can use our influence to

630
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Speaker 1: get you in. So the bigger players they've got, they

631
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: can use those. So this idea that everybody just gets

632
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: it everywhere off of hard work and all of this stuff,

633
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Speaker 1: I think live coming onto the scene is kind of

634
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Speaker 1: somewhat pulled the curtain back a little bit of how

635
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: the sausage is made. But we all kind of know

636
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: how the sausage has been made, and it's not necessarily

637
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: sometimes the prettiest business. I mean, you've seen it as

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00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: someone that has traveled all over the world. You travel

639
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: to regular PGA Tour events, you travel to majors, you

640
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: travel to a number of tournaments the tours. The average

641
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Speaker 1: golf fan I don't think wants maybe sometimes to know

642
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: how all of this is run.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's true. See, it is always to get a

644
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: superstar to a tournament. I mean, one incident that I

645
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: will never forget is when Tiger went to the Middle

646
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Speaker 2: East for the first time and played the Dubad as

647
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Speaker 2: a classic and he had that iconic photo shoot over

648
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Speaker 2: over burgell Arab. You know, he was paid tons of

649
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Speaker 2: money for that. But the kind of return on investment

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Speaker 2: that he gave that week with those pictures on the

651
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: on the front page of New York Times, on the

652
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: front page of Washington Post. I mean, the money being

653
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: paid making sense is what has to be the benchmark

654
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: for every investment of yours, many of these players. When

655
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 2: Phil went to the Abu Dhabi for the first time,

656
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: I mean there were reams and reams of papers dedicated

657
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: to Phil and and how how he is, you know,

658
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: the magician, magician with the short game and things like that.

659
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: There was so many articles in the at least about

660
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: him and other parts of the world as well. It

661
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: makes sense. But yes, money is the driving factor.

662
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely, J Monahan. It would seem came out of hiding

663
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: this week. Have you been surprised, Joy with everything that's

664
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: going on in professional golf currently that I think this

665
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: is what the third time we've seen Jay in front

666
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: of a microphone since the US opened, since he was

667
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: in front of a microphone with Yaser from the PIF.

668
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: Are you surprised, given where global golf is, where professional

669
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: golf is, that we haven't seen Jay more often.

670
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: As the head of the Pedator, And given that the

671
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: most talked about thing right now is the Pediator and

672
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: the PIF investment into it, and the fact that everyone

673
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 2: who is interested in golf and interested in the PIA

674
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 2: Pedator and live golf wants to know where this when

675
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: this merger the merger is not the right word, but

676
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: when this investment is going to happen, and things like that.

677
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: He needs to be and and since he started the

678
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 2: initiated the entire thing and the June six U talks

679
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: that we had, he should be more in the forefront.

680
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: And I'm surprised many of the players actually don't know

681
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: what's going on.

682
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: I continue to be surprised that when we do now,

683
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we see at home, we see I

684
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: live in Jupiter, Florida. We see players all the time right.

685
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: Over the last three years, I have been shocked at

686
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: how little everybody that's on the PGA tour knows about

687
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: what's going on. I've just been shocked. I mean you

688
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: ask some qulture like, I don't know. I mean I

689
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, and I think, I mean Jay didn't.

690
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: He didn't really say much this week. Now there is

691
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: an argument to be made. I mean, they say the

692
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: sheer art of diplomacy is to basically speak and say nothing.

693
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: That's half the art of diplomacy. And I think Jay's

694
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: doing a great job at that. If you were on

695
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: the PGA tour, would he have your confidence? Would he

696
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: be someone that you think, Okay, if I look at

697
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: what happened over the last three years, is he the

698
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: guy to lead us out of this? Are you surprised?

699
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of people surprised that

700
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: that he still has a job given the way everything

701
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: was going. Are you surprised that he still has the

702
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: confidence of the players, And are you surprised that he's

703
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: still in the role that he's in, because listen, this

704
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: is not COVID Live. I mean, Jay is He's had

705
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: it pretty tough. I mean, it has been a tough go.

706
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

707
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: That is also why he makes over ten million dollars

708
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: a year and flies everywhere on a private jet. Because

709
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: if you're making one hundred brand a year, you don't.

710
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: Have to have decases round. So when you have to make.

711
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: Big decisions like Jay has to make, like a fortune

712
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: five hundred CEO of a massive company. Yeah, they're difficult

713
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: decisions to make. They're hard to make, but that's why

714
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: you get paid the money. You get paid to make

715
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: those decisions.

716
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: Uh, just just digressing a bit before I answer that.

717
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: You know, the one thing that being with the many

718
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: of the live golf players, one thing that really pleases

719
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: me is everyone says that if they have got a

720
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: suggestion or you know, if they want to say something

721
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: to Greg, that it be implemented, starting with say the trows,

722
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: the trousers, if you want to where your shots, you

723
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 2: are allowed to wear it. One thing that they have

724
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: always said is that Greg is always willing to listen

725
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: to the players and communicates to the players whatever he

726
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 2: knows at that time. I think that is completely missing

727
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: on the Pediator. It's I know it's a larger organization

728
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: and things like that, but if you are heading that organization.

729
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: You've got to have the trust of the players who

730
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: are all your members, and I think that is something

731
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: that Jay had maybe two years ago, but he completely

732
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: lost it in the last two years. So many of

733
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: the players are still struggling, at least some of them

734
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: who I've spoken to to really give the one hundred

735
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: percent trust back to Jay. Even if the merger happens,

736
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: or even if the piff and My investment happens, I

737
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: think there will still be a question mark over how

738
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: Jay went about his job in getting it done.

739
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: So where do you think all this plays out? I

740
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: mean you, I don't think anybody knows. And I think

741
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: that's the big question, right, I mean, where are we

742
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: in your opinion? Where do you think we are in

743
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five? And what do you think the professional

744
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: golf landscape looks like? And it's a question, Joe that

745
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm asking everybody because I don't because nobody knows, right,

746
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: everything's just I guess everything's just kind of your experience.

747
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: But in your opinion, what do you see happening in

748
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five?

749
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: So the best case scenario or what I would really

750
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: like to see is that I don't want a unification

751
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: or anything like that. But there is a good working

752
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: relationship between Pediator and Live Golf too, and if that

753
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: means giving invitation to some of the players to the

754
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: place they've been shaped, or finding a way that some

755
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: of the couple of the wild cards are given to

756
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: the Pediator players who want to come and play on

757
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: the live golf, that happens, you know. Having said that,

758
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: my issue is that from June sixth to December thirty

759
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: one there was a huge time frame for the framework

760
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: agreement to be fructified, finalized and implemented and done. If

761
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: it has not happened up until now, and now we

762
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: are looking at another long gap till the Tour Championship,

763
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: I really don't think it will happen, you know. I

764
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: think there are forces not sure about it, but there

765
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: are forces which are against and now that they have

766
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: got some kind of support from SSAG as well, so

767
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: there are forces which are saying that do we need

768
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 2: to go that way? So it might just not happen.

769
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: I've never heard the fans be talked more about, and

770
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: I never heard the product be talked about. I mean,

771
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: you've been around perfectly. Did you ever hear anybody talk

772
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: about the product. Nobody talked about the product and the

773
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: type of product we were putting out and the type

774
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: of product professional golf was putting now. I mean, nobody

775
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: talked about the product five years ago, And to be

776
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: honest with you, I didn't hear anybody in global golf

777
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: from the PGA Tour, from DP World Tour Asia before it.

778
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: Nobody talked about the fans. Nobody talked about what the

779
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: fans wanted the tours, and the majors just basically did

780
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: what they wanted, ran the tournaments however they wanted, and

781
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: nobody talked about the product. Now, all anybody talks about,

782
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: in my opinion on the PGA Tour is you just

783
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: talk about the product all the time. And I'm wondering

784
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: where this talk of the product came from.

785
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: I honestly believe it has come from live you know,

786
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: because I've seen. I've seen. I'm probably one of the

787
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: few journalists who has been to ten, twelve, at least

788
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: thirteen of the live events, and one thing that I've

789
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: noticed is that every time I go, they've tried to

790
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: do something better for the fans. I mean, look at

791
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: the graphics on the on the you were in Hong

792
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: Kong and that entire digital screen that was put up

793
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: on the first t that was so impressive. The kind

794
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: of you know, infrastructure that they put up for the

795
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: fans was so impressive.

796
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: Well, Rory in his press conference yesterday at the Players,

797
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: he was talking about bigger events where there's other things

798
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: around the events that it's just not golf, that there's

799
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: more fan engagement, there's all this other stuff. And there

800
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: are a lot of people that think that kind of

801
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: sounds like what Live tried to do and what everybody

802
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: was so adamantly against. Do you think that all of

803
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: this change regardless of what side you're on. And again,

804
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: I'll keep saying this, you don't have to You can

805
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: watch and consume your golf.

806
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just have to be golf fan. That's wherever

807
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: you want to watch idiator or a live golf fan,

808
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: you need to be a golf fan. That's that's what

809
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: I keep saying to everyone. You can enjoy Pediator as

810
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: much as you can enjoy a live golf. There is

811
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 2: a completely different product over there, and you can absolutely

812
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: enjoy it. I mean, the telecast of the product is

813
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: so great good that they live golf, So yes, what

814
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: Rory said, and I mean, just just to give you

815
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: an example of Claude and you have seen it around.

816
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 2: All the teams have been asked on Live Golf to

817
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: do sustainability and community outreach programs whenever they go anywhere,

818
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: and so many communities are benefiting from that. I mean,

819
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: like from what time from that, For example, the iron

820
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: Heads did something at a public golf course in Hong Kong.

821
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: You know that all the teams do something. You know,

822
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 2: with any organizations, charity is those kinds of stuff. I mean,

823
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if Pediator has a lot of charity,

824
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: and oh of course they they have, but do they

825
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: do that many activations in one tournament? I don't know.

826
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I'm an eight to sixteen activations at

827
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 2: least in a week.

828
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: Listen. I think there's room for both. And I've always

829
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: thought that, you know, this misconception that the golf on

830
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: live isn't good. I mean, you've been to as many

831
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: golf tournaments as I have. The finishes have been good. Yeah,

832
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: You've been to as many golf tournaments as I have.

833
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: You've traveled to Asia, You've traveled to the Middle East,

834
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: You've traveled to Europe. One of the knocks against the

835
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: lift tournaments from the people that don't like him, as

836
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: there's nobody out in these tournaments. Listen, I was I.

837
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: I was with phil in Abu Dabi when he came over.

838
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: There was nobody at that tournament. You've been to a

839
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: lot of tournaments in China and an Asia. They don't

840
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: get the fans that they get in the United States.

841
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: There were a lot of European Tour. I've been traveling

842
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: on the European Tour since two thousand and two. I've

843
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: been to more tournaments on the European Tour with no

844
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: fans than I have been with fans. Right, if you

845
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: asked me over the course of the twenty some odd

846
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: years that I've traveled on and off the European Tour,

847
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: and I worked full time on the European Tour for

848
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: three years. In the twenty some odd years that I've

849
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: been to European Tour events and watch them, I can

850
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: list more tournaments that didn't have fans than did so

851
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: the product all over the place is different. But last

852
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: week in Hong Kong, again going back this idea that

853
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: one of the knocks I bent, everybody saying they went

854
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: to live to grow the game. I'm not saying that

855
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: that was one true but last week in Hong Kong,

856
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: they've never seen that many of the world's best players

857
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: in one place at any one time, and I think

858
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: that I think it's been very interesting that Jay's comments

859
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: at the players this week is golf is a global game.

860
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: But the PGA Tour, I mean, what year was it.

861
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: We're all four of the wgc's the World Golf Championship.

862
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: Weren't all four of them in the United States one year?

863
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: But where are the wgc's too biggest?

864
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: We're gone now?

865
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was one one way that the global

866
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: stars could have been, you know, showcased. So they used

867
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: to be at least three of Poasian Tour players, three

868
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: or four Australian players.

869
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: Japanese tour players.

870
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: Where are the WGCs now?

871
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: And that's Rory's been talking about that in recent months.

872
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: He's been talking about taking the game, taking the PGA

873
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: Tour to I think what we saw, you know, from

874
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: a lif standpoint in Hong Kong was great. What we

875
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: saw last year in Adelaide, I mean, if there's a

876
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: country that stars for real professional golf, I mean, if

877
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: Jay Monahan wants to wants a good idea, put a

878
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: PGA Tour event, a full field PGA Tour event in

879
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: Sydney or Melbourne and make it a designated event, and

880
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: it would be unbelievable. I mean it would be everybody

881
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: would watch, it would sell out. And is there an

882
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: argument to me made one of the positives of Live

883
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: is it is maybe going after a more international sector

884
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: as opposed to just focusing solely on the US and

885
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour.

886
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think what Adelaide, what Hong Kong has shown

887
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: is that there's so much appetite for the game, you know, globally,

888
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: hum it has to go out. If it has if

889
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: golf has to grow, it has to go out to

890
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: these parts of the world world. And if Rory talks

891
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: about the global Tour and what Live is already doing,

892
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: I think if periodor starts doing it, so deep World

893
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: Tour is coming to Asia for the Asian swaying, you know,

894
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: I mean, there are going to be a couple of tournaments.

895
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: You know.

896
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 2: If you if you tell me that somebody like Fachara

897
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: Congwat Mai from Thailand is not the best high player

898
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: at the moment, or if you say that Anirban Lai

899
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: is not the best Indian player at the moment, and

900
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: if they don't get into these tournaments. Thankfully, Anirban has

901
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: gotten into the Indian Open, but that is that is

902
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: a different I mean, he's the leading Indian and it's

903
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: the Indian Open. But other Deepi World Tour events, they

904
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: have not really given the opportunity to the local players.

905
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: And the converse is that when somebody something like this

906
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 2: is happening over here, I say International series is happening

907
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: over here, or when it was happening in a in Oman,

908
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 2: DEEPI Wiltour was not giving release to the players because

909
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: there was a concurrent event which was being held on

910
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: the on the DEEPI Wiltour, even if they are Asian players.

911
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: So these are some of the things which actually seem

912
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: very pretty petty to me right now, and and these

913
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: are things that have to be gotten over if if

914
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: you want the game to grow in all parts of

915
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: the world.

916
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: Plus a joy talking about growing the game. India one

917
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: of the most populous countries on the planet. Give me

918
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: your take, because I don't think there's anybody that has

919
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: their finger on the pulse of Indian golf the way

920
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: that you do and you write about it all the time.

921
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: What do you like about where Indian golf is right now?

922
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: And what do you think we're going to see in

923
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: the next five years? And and give me some players

924
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: both on the men's and the women's side that that

925
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: you think that we're going to be hearing about on

926
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: a golo on a global stage from India in professional

927
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: golf moving forward.

928
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: Uh, you know the thing right now is that the

929
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: girls are playing phenomenal golf. So I mean, Aditi is

930
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 2: doing Aditya Shok is doing really well on the Lvdator.

931
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: There are a couple of girls dick Sha and you know,

932
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: girls like Brandavi were doing very well on the l T.

933
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: The boys have been left a little behind. But then

934
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 2: we always have somebody like to look up to.

935
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: Here he's playing, I mean, he's playing some of the

936
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: best golf I've seen him play in a long time.

937
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: And anybody that thinks that honor Bandlea here if he

938
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: was playing on the PGA Tour wouldn't be You wouldn't

939
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: see his name on a leaderboard. He's just crazy, right,

940
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: I Mean, that's the type of player he is. He's

941
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: got world class game this week in Macau. We've got

942
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,959
Speaker 1: some of the old guard of of of Indian golf.

943
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: Jeef Milkha Singh, one of my favorite players, one of

944
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: my favorite people, Shif Kapor. But a guy like Honor Bond.

945
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: For Bond now, Joey, how important do you think Bond's success,

946
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: whether whether you like where he's playing or not. Forget

947
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: all that Bond's success, How does that play in India

948
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: for this next generation? Because one of the things I

949
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: think that is really important for growing the game of

950
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: golf in the developing nations is for that. Yes, everybody's hero.

951
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: If you're a young golfer from Thailand, your hero is

952
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: Scotti Scheffler, It's John Rahm, it's Roy McElroy, It's the

953
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: global superstars. But what I think helps grow golf in

954
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: the developing nations is for the young golfers to be

955
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: able to look at say, okay, he's from Yeah, okay,

956
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: Roy McElroy. If you're a young golfer in India, you

957
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: have a hard time relating to him. Right, he's from

958
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: Northern Ireland, he lives in America. Right, he plays his golf.

959
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: But if you can touch and feel a golfer who's

960
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: from your country or from your city or town where

961
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: you grew up with and he was a member of

962
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: your club and you got to see, touch and feel him.

963
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

964
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: I think those stories for Indian golf on the big

965
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: stage with the success that the ladies are having on

966
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: the LPGA, but on the bigger stage, I think it

967
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: is hugely important to help grow professional golf in the

968
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: developing countries. To have a superstore that you can say, Okay,

969
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: yeah I can I grew up like he did. He

970
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: grew up like I grew Yeah, don't you agree?

971
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. So if if I just begin with the

972
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: professional golfers who are not part of LIV, who are

973
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: playing on the Asian Tour, who are playing on the PGTA,

974
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 2: one of their dreams now is to be part of

975
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: the Lift golfs. I mean, and money is a consideration.

976
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: Let me not you know, try to hide that money

977
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: is the main consideration. I mean that they know that

978
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: if they are on lif Golf, they can earn a

979
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: lot of money. So he has somebody like an Urban

980
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 2: has already influenced his peers. But you know, I mean

981
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: just some of the young kids I was have been

982
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: speaking to some of the juniors, and everyone wants to

983
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: be like an urban Larry. I mean they know that

984
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 2: if I mean he has come second four times on

985
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 2: the on the on Live Golf already, they know that

986
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: he has won more than two million dollars with each

987
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: of those things. Place finish money is a big factor,

988
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: and even the young golfers, they are influenced by it.

989
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: I mean they want to be like Tiger Woods and

990
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: when fifteen majors, but they also want to be like

991
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: Tiger Woods and have that kind of villas and look

992
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: after their family everybody like their own jet.

993
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Tiger and Rory have. I mean the funny

994
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: thing that I think it's been so funny through all

995
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: this joys if you look at Rory McRoy, I mean

996
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: the two lightning rods over the last Roy's kind of

997
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: softened his stance right over the last yeah, six months,

998
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: since the merger talks, he's kind of yeah, he's walked

999
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: back a little. But for a while it was Rory

1000
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: and Greg kind of going out at each other. They

1001
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: were the two kind of lightning rods, and I looked

1002
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: at kind of their careers. Yes, Rory's won four majors,

1003
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: Greg's only one, two. But everybody looks at Greg Norman's

1004
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: career and thinks he was an underachiever in the majors.

1005
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: The last time Rory won a major was two thousand

1006
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: and fourteen. If I told you in twenty four that

1007
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: Rory would only have four majors, you would not believe me.

1008
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: You'd think he would have ten majors by this point, right,

1009
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: And so when I looked at how many wins they had,

1010
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, when Rory won in Canada a couple of

1011
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: years ago, he referenced, I've got one more win than

1012
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: Greg on the PGA Tour. If you looked at there

1013
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: was a point last year where the amount of PGA

1014
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: Tour wins and European Tour wins for Greg and Rory

1015
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: were almost kind of identical. They're both seen as the

1016
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: iconic superstars of their generation. They both dominated professional golf

1017
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: by their driver. They're both currently famous for not being

1018
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: able to get it done at Augusta National, which is

1019
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: a golf course for both Rory and Greg Norman. If

1020
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: you could design golf courses for both of them, those

1021
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: would be the perfect golf courses. And I just they

1022
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: both have the same make of private jet yeah, right.

1023
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: They both live in West they both live in the

1024
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: same city, in the same state in America. They both

1025
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: left their home country and their home tours. And when

1026
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: I found it fascinating for as much as those two

1027
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: butted heads publicly, how eerily similar their careers are. They

1028
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: are the iconic players of their generations, right, they are

1029
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: the ultimate. You ask anybody currently playing here this week,

1030
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: who do they want to be, They're gonna tell you

1031
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: they want to be Rory McRoy. They want his career,

1032
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: they want his life off the golf course, they want

1033
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: his stature. Twenty fifteen years ago, twenty years ago, you

1034
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of young players before Tiger came out,

1035
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: who do they want to be? They wanted to be

1036
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: Greg Norton. He was the store. And I just found

1037
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: it fascinating that as much as those two were kind

1038
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 1: of going at each other, how similar, their careers really

1039
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: were very similar type careers, just the greatest players of

1040
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: their generation, icons And they were going at each other

1041
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: in the press, and I was just like, you two

1042
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: are so close to each other, you don't realize it.

1043
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: That's that's so true now that you pointed it out.

1044
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 2: I mean exactly I think I was a little surprised

1045
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 2: by Rory's vehement criticism. I mean, he didn't criticize Saudi

1046
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: as much as he criticized liv God. But Rory is

1047
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: someone who actually spent a lot of years in the

1048
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: Middle East, and he knows that changes. Yeah, and he

1049
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: has seen the kind of changes and the kind of

1050
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,959
Speaker 2: people you have over there. I mean, Cloud, you lived

1051
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 2: over there in Dubai, have you? I mean, the Arabs

1052
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: are one of the most hospitable people in the world.

1053
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: And they love golf.

1054
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: They love everything that gives them joy. Like you know,

1055
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: I'm in Dune bashing, you know, cause they love their stuff,

1056
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: they love people. I don't know why there's so much

1057
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: of you know, Saudi influence on live golf and things

1058
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 2: like that. Why should that really matter? I mean, if

1059
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: one of the things that I keep telling many of

1060
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: the journalists is why don't you come to Saudi and

1061
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: just have a look? Well, I think it's been interesting

1062
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 2: enough changes they have made over.

1063
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: The last three years. Joy. I think it's been interesting

1064
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: that some of the most vehement critics of Live in

1065
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: the Saudi involvement and professional golf have never been to

1066
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,959
Speaker 1: a tournament. Yeah, Will openly tell you they don't watch

1067
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: and they have such staunch opinions of it. And I

1068
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: think one of the reasons why a lot of the

1069
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: Live players have spoken so freely about the PGA tour

1070
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: is they were on the PGA tour for twenty years.

1071
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: DJ was on the PGA tour up until he went

1072
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: to Live for almost fifteen years. They know what the

1073
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: PGA tour is like, they know what that infrastructure is like,

1074
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: they know what that ecosystem is like. And I've found

1075
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: it fascinating that a lot of the people that have

1076
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: been so fiercely, fiercely anti Live have no involvement at all.

1077
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: They don't talk to anybody, they don't interview anybody in

1078
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: the live ecosystem. I mean, I look at a lot

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Speaker 1: of you know, I think we're starting to see some

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Speaker 1: of the some of the podcasters start to bring in

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Speaker 1: some guys. But for two years, all anybody did was

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01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: basically shit all over Live and it was the root

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01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: of all evil, and they basically lived in their own

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01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: eco chamber of just no, no, we know exactly what

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Speaker 1: it's like. I'm like, how do you know what it's like?

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01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: You say you don't even watch it? And I just

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Speaker 1: I hope in twenty twenty five, Joy, maybe we get

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01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: to a point with Rory kind of softening some of

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01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: the things he's saying. Billy Horschell saying this week the

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Speaker 1: Players Championship maybe should If the majors are inviting players

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01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: that are from live, maybe they could do the same

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01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: thing if they want the Players Championship to be seen

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01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: as the fifth major. If I told you two years

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01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: ago or a year or if I told you two

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01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: years ago Billy Horschell was going to be at the

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01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: Players Championship in twenty four saying maybe we jay should

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01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: invite live players, nobody would believe that. So maybe in

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01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five we just get back to what professional

1099
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: football soccer is around the world is. If you want

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01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: to watch the Italian League, you watch the Italian League.

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01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: If you want watch Spanish England, wherever. There's great golf

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01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: being played all over the world.

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01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there are.

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01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: Great players playing all over the world, and regardless of

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01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: where they're playing and who they're playing against, you know,

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01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: pre live. If somebody wins four tournaments in Europe, they

1107
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: are getting an invite into Honda, the old Honda. Yeah,

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01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: they are getting an invite into Wells Fargo. They are

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01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: getting an invite into Memorial, They're getting an invite into Tampa.

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Speaker 1: We've seen that, We've watched that, I've lived watching that,

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01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: and maybe we get back to a point in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five to where some of the heat and the

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01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: sting of all of this taken out and we realize

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Speaker 1: that this is just basically what happens in every single

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01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: walk of life. And I've always thought this joy that

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01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: there is this contingent of golf fans and people involved

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01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: in golf that want golf to be this Truman show

1118
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: y thing that never changes, right, That golf's like it

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01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: was in the forties and the fifties and the sixties,

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Speaker 1: and it's gotta be the same and it won't change.

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01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: And I think maybe one of the positives of Live

1122
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: coming in has made everybody kind of pivot and go, Okay, hey,

1123
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: what is the product? Yeah, because I never heard anybody

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01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: talk about the product before.

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Speaker 2: Nobody thought that golf could be a five hour thing.

1126
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 2: The entire date of a tournament would be a five

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01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 2: hour to six hour window where it can all be done.

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Speaker 2: And when that is important. You don't expect the fan

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01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously Saturday Sunday is another matter. But if

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Speaker 2: he wants to come on Thursday, and if he has

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01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: got six hours and comes and watches almost the entire

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01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 2: action out there, how good is that?

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Speaker 1: And you've see that, you think the majors hold the key?

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01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: Do you think the four majors really do hold the

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01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: keys to the two kingdom more than the tours? Do?

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01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 2: I think they do? Once once they start inviting the players,

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Speaker 2: which which Masters has set a good president by inviting

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01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 2: fucking quite a few lift players have earned their way

1139
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: back into the Open Championship. But if we get majors

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01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 2: to give out at least to start with two or

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Speaker 2: three invites to the top two three players on lift golf,

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Speaker 2: let's make a start. I mean, these are great golfers.

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Speaker 2: These are golfers who have got not just you know,

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01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 2: history behind them. They have talent, they have they have

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Speaker 2: the will power to win, and.

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Speaker 1: They're winning tournaments, yeah, all over the world wherever they play,

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Speaker 1: whether they're seventy two whole no regular cut events, if

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01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: they're I mean, we're seeing David Peuge and Waco and

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01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: Cordo and Team Burmaster and Louis. We're seeing these players

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01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: go and play all over the world, and it was

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01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: never a surprise if you saw a it wasn't a surprise.

1152
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: To go over and see Justin Rose play in Singapore

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Speaker 1: and be on the leader board not a surprise. And

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand why players. I think players

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01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: should have the freedom to play and play wherever they want.

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01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: I personally think that's that's gonna help Joy. These decisions

1157
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: will be made by people a hell of a lot

1158
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: smarter than you and I boy, but I think you're

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01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,959
Speaker 1: doing fantastic, fantastic writing, and keep up the good work.

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01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: And if you want to know what's going on with

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Speaker 1: Indian golf, joys your man. Joy, Thanks for talking to us.

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Speaker 2: Thanks God really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: So I thought that was a very very interesting perspective

1164
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: and a different perspective than than maybe some of you

1165
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: that listened to the pot I've heard. But I thought

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Speaker 1: Joy touched on a lot of really important subjects and listen,

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01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody knows what's going to happen in

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01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: world golf. I think it's all just kind of speculation

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01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: at this point. But I think Joy's kind of global

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01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: view and the fact that he has been a Globe

1171
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: trottle and writes about golf not only just on the

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01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: PGA Tour and on the DP World, but writes about

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01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 1: golf in India, writes about golf in Asia, and I

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01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 1: thought that was a really, really good one. I want

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Speaker 1: to thank everyone for listening. Son of a Butcher comes

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Speaker 1: to you every Wednesday. We will see you next week.