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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, A production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together everything. So don't Oh my gosh, have you

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Speaker 1: heard about what year it is? Guys, it's two thousand

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Speaker 1: and four, right, yeah, it's one of the biggers. Finally,

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Speaker 1: take out Saddam, who's saying exactly we did it. It's

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Speaker 1: the best year ever. God, I love being alive in

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Speaker 1: two thousand four. I leave Soddam, who's so ship. Nope,

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Speaker 1: I don't reelecting the guy who did it? Nah nah

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Speaker 1: Bush too. We want them again. We're all over the

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Speaker 1: place here because there's other countries with Jonathan and Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Carey wasn't much of much of anything. That guy, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about him later. Actually, Welcome to the Worst the

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Speaker 1: worst year ever. Yeah, that's it. Introing that we really

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Speaker 1: really nailed that. Um, I'm Katie. Hi, I'm Katie. I'm

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Speaker 1: Katie as well. I just want to take a moment

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Speaker 1: to shout out to all of our new listeners. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is this chaotic at the top of every episode. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because professionals, And again I think this is important for

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Speaker 1: people to know, is that professional should never at any

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Speaker 1: point understand how to do their job. No, no, no, no, no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: end of show. Competence is for losers. Uh, that's motto

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Speaker 1: has taken us far from But I have a feeling

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Speaker 1: we're all about to learn how quote unquote competence doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean all that much when the people's are rating competence

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Speaker 1: based on who's best able to reinforce a military industrial

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Speaker 1: complex in a system of austerity measures. And that brings

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Speaker 1: me to Joe Biden's cabinet picks. Oh wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: I thought we were starting with coronavirus stuff. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: to coronavirus now. But we are going to be talking

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Speaker 1: about the two things we're gonna be talking about today.

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Speaker 1: Is that Rhona? Uh? And also Joe Biden's cabinet picks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little bit, a little welding of two worlds still

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Speaker 1: transition seamlessly. We'll find it. Yeah, that's a little preview

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Speaker 1: of our great transitions. I mean, look, if I was

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about can move COVID up top

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Speaker 1: because it is a national emergency. Um, it's not like

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Speaker 1: it's going on with that. Didn't we cure that? Not yet? Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: I'll start with good news, which is, of course that

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Speaker 1: we will have a vaccine relatively soon. Uh have at

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Speaker 1: least two vaccines now with more than effectiveness cool A

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Speaker 1: third one Astra Zeneca. UH still seeking authorization to provide

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Speaker 1: projects that Fiser and Moderna will provide forty million doses,

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Speaker 1: enough for twenty million people by the end of the

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Speaker 1: year um in. Those first doses are expected to hit

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Speaker 1: the US in early December, which is now so where

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Speaker 1: nursing homes. UH, those who are the most at risk.

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Speaker 1: As it should be. Congratulations to science for winning, for

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Speaker 1: winning in a super fast style. That's cool. Uh. All

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Speaker 1: congratulate the president, although he did had nothing to do

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Speaker 1: end of the year. UH and and you know, Operation

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Speaker 1: vaccination creation. I don't know what do you call it.

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Speaker 1: if he'd done things very differently, but of course he didn't,

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Speaker 1: being lost. The thing that's incredibly frustrating about this is

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Speaker 1: the demonization of masks, which is continuing to be a problem,

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Speaker 1: shutdowns and medical bills. Um. So that sucks. Also, he

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Speaker 1: continues to interfere with the Biden transition. We will be

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Speaker 1: him to succeed. Um. That's the thing when you hire

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Speaker 1: We can't wait. I do feel like Don Jr. Would

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Speaker 1: I could find that were like mainstream articles on Biden's

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Speaker 1: cabinet picks, and they all like really focus on the

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Speaker 1: fact that like Biden's gonna he's gonna make it a

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Speaker 1: diverse cabinet. We're gonna have a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of women and people of color. And I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: like completely pooh pooh the idea of representation. But if

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Speaker 1: it's not representation of of ideologies, it's just representation of like, yes,

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Speaker 1: picked people who agree with Joe Biden and happen to

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Speaker 1: be women or black, that's good. It's not um, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's part of it. It's it's yeah, it's so

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Speaker 1: you can't say anything. I mean, look, it is good

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Speaker 1: to have. Yes, it can be let's say it can

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Speaker 1: be good. It can be good. But also, we have

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Speaker 1: a lady in charge of the CIA right now, right

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Speaker 1: and that doesn't seem to have just because someone's a

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Speaker 1: woman doesn't make it great, you know, just because but

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Speaker 1: like you know, I mentioned a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: it is exciting that there is a woman that's vice president.

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Speaker 1: Sucks that as Kamala, but it is inspiring for little

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Speaker 1: girls to know that that's a possibility, but beyond that,

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Speaker 1: it's not great. So yes, all of those things that

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Speaker 1: you're saying, yeah, and it's you know, yeah, that's more

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Speaker 1: or less kind of their island on some of the stuff.

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Speaker 1: Sophie is a long, hard sigh. Um. It seems like, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll say this, like I would prefer we

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Speaker 1: got rid of homeland security. It does seem like Alejandro

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Speaker 1: Mayorcas will be a lot better than the previous people,

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Speaker 1: uh that have have been in there, in part because

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Speaker 1: he's supportive of the idea that refugees should be able

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Speaker 1: to come to the United States along with asylum seekers

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Speaker 1: rather than being tear gassed in the desert. Maybe well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll still tear gas asylum seekers in the

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Speaker 1: desert regularly, but perhaps less often. Yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: like it would be nice if that happened. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how much faith I have in that he comes

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Speaker 1: from like a refugee background, So I'm I'm just hopeful

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Speaker 1: that like things will I'm broadly hopeful that in general,

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Speaker 1: things will suck less for refugees and asylum seekers with

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Speaker 1: Trump and his people out even though I'm sure Mayorcas

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Speaker 1: uh is because he's the kind of person who might

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Speaker 1: be the Secretary of Homeland Security is fine with most

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Speaker 1: of the horrible things that Homeland Security does. Maybe things

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Speaker 1: will suck less for refugees and that would be nice.

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Speaker 1: I will say that. Well, that's the Yeah, it's the

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Speaker 1: it's the comparing it to the last four years. That's

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Speaker 1: what all this is going to be. It's all just

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Speaker 1: gonna be well, it's not this bad as opposed to Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's good actually, Um, And that's that's the really frustrating part.

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Speaker 1: And any yeah and criticism is met with you love

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Speaker 1: you still love Trump. You're not helpful, it's not it's

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Speaker 1: not really heard. Do you guys think of Janet yelling? Um?

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Speaker 1: I think she's a big austerity head and is going

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Speaker 1: to support cutting social services in order to balance the budget,

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Speaker 1: which people are talking about now. They're all going to

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Speaker 1: pretending that it didn't exist for years under Trump. Now

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the deficit again because Democrats are in

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Speaker 1: the White House, which is frustrating. The fact that I

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Speaker 1: could like praise peace articles written about her in the

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Speaker 1: last two weeks freaks me the funk out. What what

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Speaker 1: does she, um, what does she do before? Chair of

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Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve, by Chair of the Federal Reserve, President

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Speaker 1: of the Federal Reserve, Bank of San Francisco, Chair of

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Speaker 1: the Council of Economic Advisors, member of the Federal Reserve

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Speaker 1: Board of Governors. But yeah, she's she's a big fan

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Speaker 1: of economy austerity. Yeah yeah. CNN calls her Biden's genius move.

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Speaker 1: Fox Business calls her why Janet Yelling as Treasury Secretary

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Speaker 1: is the perfect choice at the perfect time triggered They're

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Speaker 1: all going to be that. Um, it's uh, yeah, every

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Speaker 1: one of these people are worried about the deficit, even

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Speaker 1: though they don't have to. Yeah, because you can shouldnt

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Speaker 1: more money. Let's talk about Nera Tandon. Okay, So this

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Speaker 1: is this is related to all of this stuff we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. Um, And it's very frustrating, um because of

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Speaker 1: how it's framed and how the criticism is framed and seen. UM,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know near standon like most of us,

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Speaker 1: she's very online, very very capital very very very capitaline.

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Speaker 1: I love half of the pieces I've read about her

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Speaker 1: have just focused entirely on her tweets, which I love

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Speaker 1: for it deleted a bunch of it's a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of it's a lot of work and it

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Speaker 1: is funny. Um. And that's so like. One of the

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Speaker 1: frustrating things too, is that like, um, a lot of

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Speaker 1: the focus of like the confirmation hearing will be on

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Speaker 1: these meat and tweets of hers because a lot of

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Speaker 1: first stopped talking about tweets. No, we're not. It's because,

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Speaker 1: aside from like a lot of ire and pushback she

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Speaker 1: gives to like progressives in general, a lot of it

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Speaker 1: is just like, yeah, tweeting about Republican senators and stuff. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And they're going to make it about that. Um. They're

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Speaker 1: going to make the Republicans are going to make the

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Speaker 1: hearing about her mean tweets about them, um, instead of

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Speaker 1: like actual concerns. It's frustrating because I don't like her

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Speaker 1: and I think she's a bad person to have in government.

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Speaker 1: But also it's going to be people like Ted Cruise

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Speaker 1: attacking her for her tweets when, as you pointed out

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Speaker 1: today on Twitter Cody Ted Cruise threatened Ron Pearlman with

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Speaker 1: a fight with somebody else, leng fight of his colleagues

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, like one of the most irritating things about

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Speaker 1: like all of these Biden people who deserve to be

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Speaker 1: criticized are going to primarily be criticized by the only

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Speaker 1: people on earth I don't want to hear criticize them. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: for the wrong reasons too, and like it, we'll probably

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Speaker 1: do a whole episode about this event eventually. But like

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Speaker 1: the GOP, they're they're recalibrating to be like were the multicultural,

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Speaker 1: uh multiracial working class Coalition now? Um, But they're still

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Speaker 1: gonna make it about mean tweets because they can actually

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Speaker 1: criticize for real reasons because they don't actually want to

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Speaker 1: do those things because they're liars. Um. And yeah, so

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Speaker 1: all the criticism is going to come from these people

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Speaker 1: who don't get to play. Like that's like you don't

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Speaker 1: get to you don't get to play. Um. But so

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Speaker 1: aside from the mean tweets which are not actually important, UM,

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Speaker 1: I want to read a couple of So there are

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Speaker 1: a couple of emails, um from from wiki leaks. UM.

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Speaker 1: Then I think are relevant to what we're talking about. UM.

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Speaker 1: One is an email from Nera tannin uh tandemonium. UM.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry,

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Speaker 1: it's fine. It's referring to a suggestion from Howard Wolfson.

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Speaker 1: He's just a damn strategist for for many years. Um,

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Speaker 1: and this is near Uh. He also thinks Howard. He

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Speaker 1: also thinks the brown and women pundits can shame The

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Speaker 1: Times and others on social media. So cultivating Joan Walsh, Iglesias,

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Speaker 1: Alan Perry Bacon, Greg Sargeant to defend her Clinton is helpful.

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Speaker 1: They can be emboldened. For what it's worth. I pushed

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Speaker 1: to do this a year ago. So literally, what we

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Speaker 1: talked about with this diversity of the cabinet being sort

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Speaker 1: of used to shame people and make it hard to

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Speaker 1: criticize them. It's literally something that she and others have

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Speaker 1: suggested privately. It's just the thing. It's the thing. It's true,

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Speaker 1: and that's just so frustrating. Yeah, it really is true.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to push back, it's hard to say anything.

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Speaker 1: And you're like, well, but this is a look at

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Speaker 1: you're doing the thing, Look at this representation. You're like,

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Speaker 1: I know, but but but um, all these other things. Um,

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Speaker 1: and there's a politic article pointing out like you know, um,

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Speaker 1: the Biden transition official defended her as experienced the historic choice.

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Speaker 1: Tannon is Indian American, Okay, but like it's just it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's all, it's all sort of laid out there,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's frustrating. And another email I'd like to read,

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Speaker 1: please do so fast, shaquire. He's a campaign manager for

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders. Um worked with near A Tandon over the years.

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Speaker 1: Um and uh, at one point she either shoved or

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Speaker 1: punched him in the chest for asking about twittin support

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Speaker 1: for the Iraq war. Um. We don't need to get

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Speaker 1: into that too much, but that's just something that happened.

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Speaker 1: Support to the er or her. I want to get

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Speaker 1: into her punching somebody, Yeah, asking about another person, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: criticism other person. Yeah. But but at least Nera did herself.

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Speaker 1: She didn't say, like why my other colleague punch you. Um.

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Speaker 1: And that's my official statement on Nera Tandon better than

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Speaker 1: Ted Cruz. Better than Ted Cruz. Um, because she shoves

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Speaker 1: herself as opposed to other people too. Also, like you know,

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Speaker 1: going along with Biden, Biden got a little physical with

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Speaker 1: some people during the during the primary. So, uh, they're

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Speaker 1: on the same page a little bit. And Jill Biden

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Speaker 1: talked about it in some speech or other how she

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Speaker 1: picked the bully once. So there you go. Ted Cruz

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Speaker 1: only doesn't like to hit or shove people. He only

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Speaker 1: likes to elbow his wife in the face multiple times. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean we all have our kinks on that note,

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Speaker 1: products and service time together everything. Welcome back from getting

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Speaker 1: serviced productive actively speaking, even more of the Robert one

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Speaker 1: of your kinks's emails we discussed earlier. Yes, Um, and

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Speaker 1: we want to keep you turned on this entire episode.

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Speaker 1: So you're going to read another email from MS AND

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Speaker 1: and use your sexy voice, Cody, Absolutely, absolutely, Okay, So

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Speaker 1: here's the email. Okay, that's just your Ben Shapiro voice. Good, exactly, Robert. Um, okay, please,

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Speaker 1: so let's say all right, no, okay. Fast responded to

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Speaker 1: an email from Nera. The subject of the email was

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Speaker 1: should Libya pay us back? Um? This is after Libya?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Faz replied, I don't think it's fair

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Speaker 1: that we create our own domestic problems and then ask

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Speaker 1: other nations to pay for it. You see the adverse

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Speaker 1: incentive problem here, right. If we think we can make

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Speaker 1: money off an incursion, will do it. That's a serious

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Speaker 1: policy slash messaging slash moral problem for our foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: I think good points all around fast Okay. Sonia responded,

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Speaker 1: and this again is relevant to everything we've said so

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Speaker 1: far about where we're headed with this Biden cabinet. Um response.

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Speaker 1: We have a giant deficit. They have a lot of oil.

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Speaker 1: Most Americans would choose not to engage in the world

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Speaker 1: because of that deficit. If we want to continue to

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Speaker 1: engage in the world, engage in the world means like interventionism,

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Speaker 1: gestures like having oil rich countries partially pay us back.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't seem crazy to me. Do we prefer cuts to

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Speaker 1: headstart or w i C or medicaid? Because we live

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Speaker 1: in deficit politics and that's what is happening, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be happening even more. Um so, very frustrating, really frustrating.

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Speaker 1: A few things about this. Um we don't live in

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Speaker 1: deficit politics. We don't have to live in deficits politics

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Speaker 1: as a choice by you. And Uh, it's a choice

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Speaker 1: that they're all going to make because we gotta we

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Speaker 1: gotta worry about it now. Um On, Democrats will make will,

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Speaker 1: Republicans will deficit spend in order to I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Um and and and like near as in the past,

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Speaker 1: proposed cutting Medicare and social Security and all of these

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Speaker 1: things because of the deficit, because of these made up problems. Um.

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Speaker 1: So that's all on the table. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: should we should clarify. She's been nominated for to head

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Speaker 1: the Office of Management and Budget, which works with the

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Speaker 1: president to produce the president's budget. Um. So this is like,

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Speaker 1: this is the position, This is the ideology going into

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Speaker 1: the office managing the president's budget. So that is important

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Speaker 1: to know. Um. And so aside from uh, I think

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Speaker 1: again the obvious like moral issue here, Um, this suggestion

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Speaker 1: that uh, there's this weird trade off again engaging in

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Speaker 1: the world to her seems to be this like doing

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Speaker 1: work and like intervening and stuff like that. But aside

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Speaker 1: from all of that, getting Libya to pay us back, um,

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Speaker 1: with some of their oil is literally a suggestion made

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Speaker 1: by Donald Trump on his vlog that same year. I hope,

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Speaker 1: I yeah. Um. He mentioned it several times on his vlog. Um,

636
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: this is to be fair. She suggested we do this

637
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: after it happened, and he suggested we do it before

638
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: it happened. He was saying we should do this on

639
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: a humanitarian basis was his phrase that he used. Um,

640
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: we should do this on a humanitarian basis, and when

641
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: we're done, they should pay us back with their oil.

642
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: That was his suggestion before we did it, and her

643
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: suggestion after having done it was we should have them

644
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: pay us back with some of their oil. It's just

645
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: Trump ship. It's just dressed up to look nice and

646
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: more civil, and it's disgusting and it should be rejected

647
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: and it's not going to be. And it's just an

648
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: example of the brand new hell we are entering. We

649
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: were in hell the past four years. We're going to

650
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: be in hell next year and the year after that.

651
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: It's just going to look a little bit different. Um.

652
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: And it's this know, this actually leads me to Susan Rice. Um. Perfect, Yeah,

653
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: Susan Rice, who might be our new UH Secretary of

654
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: what State? Jesus Christ. Let's talk about interventions. Let's talk

655
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: about when, if ever, it's justified for the United States

656
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: to deploy military force to foreign countries in order to

657
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: UH on a humanitarian basis. Right, So, if you're looking

658
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: at like the modern history of that, you've got to

659
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: go back to kind of the end of the Soviet Union,

660
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: which happened to dovetail with right around the time, you know,

661
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: Desert Storm happened. So obviously we on paper get involved

662
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: with Desert Storm because Iraq invades Kuwait. And that's all

663
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: very complicated. Like the reason that Iraq invaded Kuwait, if

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Speaker 1: you were to ask, like Saddam Hussein, would be that

665
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: um Iraq had invaded Iran during basically all of the

666
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: eighties on behalf of countries like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait

667
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: because Iran was they considered them to be a threat.

668
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: In Iraq, you know, lost hundreds of thousands of fighters

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Speaker 1: and committed a whole bunch of war crimes in Iran

670
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: um and then you know, wound up kind of holding

671
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: the bag and the cost for that invasion of Iran,

672
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: which by the way, the United States supported and gave

673
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: Iraq aid in carrying out a horrible war in Iran

674
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: that killed like a million people. But anyway, after the

675
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: war in Iran ended in a failure, Iraq wanted money

676
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: and invaded Kuwait, and we invaded Iraq and murdered a

677
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: big chunk of their military in order to stop the

678
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: invasion of quit. It's a very like dumb and complicated thing.

679
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: That's kind of like the result of the United States

680
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: waving its dick around incoherently in Middle East any chance

681
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: we get. And then there was a moment after Desert

682
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: Storm where there was actually an uprising against Saddam Hussein,

683
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: who was a night a monster and a horrible, horrible

684
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: dictator and absolutely deserved to be killed by his own people. Um.

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00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: But when there was an uprising against him, we just

686
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: kind of let all of those people die. After encouraging

687
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: the uprising against him, we provided them with no assistance. Um.

688
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: And that would kind of be the pattern for US

689
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: intervention quote unquote um sort of ever since. So like

690
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: right around the same time the Soviet Union comes to

691
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: an end, Francis Fukiyama is like, Hey, the end of history.

692
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be neoliberal democracies for from here on out.

693
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: Nothing's ever going to change. Um. And then events in

694
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: Rwanda and Yugoslavia very quickly show that that was nonsense.

695
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: And and and what happened in Rwanda and in Yugoslavia

696
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: in the mid nineties would really set the pattern in

697
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: a very direct way for everything that happened since because

698
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: all of the people who were for example, in charge

699
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: of responses to international crises when Obama was president. Got

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00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: their start during you know, Rwanda and Yugoslavia, including Susan Rice.

701
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: So Rice was was like young and in her fucking

702
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: I think she was twenty nine years old. Uh. When

703
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: the Rwandan genocide kicked off. She was the nationals She

704
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: was the director of International Organizations in peacekeeping on the

705
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: National Security Council UM under Clinton. And you know, in short,

706
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: we had thousands of you in peacekeepers in uh Rwanda

707
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: when the genocide kicked off and they were ordered to

708
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: stand down. And like, the reasoning why that happened is complicated, um,

709
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: but a lot of it was that the Clinton administration

710
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: didn't really want to get involved. And it was it was,

711
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: it was it was kind of rank cowardice that led

712
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Speaker 1: to about a million people dying. Um. Right, Like there

713
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: were peacekeepers in the country. There were enough peacekeepers in

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00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: the country that they could have stopped the genocide. It

715
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: would have required them to shoot people, you know, because

716
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: you had a bunch of people who were who were

717
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: doing them doing themselves a genocide. Um. And we didn't

718
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: do that. Uh. And Susan Rice was one of the

719
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: people who were like, we should not engage in in

720
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: further peacekeeping in Rwanda um And she's kind of she's

721
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: expressed some regret for that and has stated that it

722
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: had an impact on why she supported interventions later. But

723
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: even that's kind of like she's such a weasily figure.

724
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: So one thing you'll hear from a lot of people

725
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: is that Susan Rice supported the Iraq War. And one

726
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: thing that Susan Rice's defenders will say is that she

727
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: didn't support the Iraq War. And they're both right, because

728
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: at the time Susan Rice made a major effort to

729
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: not say either way if she really supported the war,

730
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: like she said, Saddam is dangerous and he has weapons

731
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: of mass destruction and we should do regime change, but

732
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: also I don't support what the Bush administration is doing.

733
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: But also I'm not going to come out and say

734
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: that like they shouldn't do what they're going to do,

735
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: Like she she picked the weaseliest answer, which some of

736
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: her supporters now that she's kind of up on the

737
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: docket to get a cabinet position, her supporters are said

738
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: trying to spend his like moral courage, that she didn't

739
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: back the Bush administration to quite the extent that Hillary

740
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: Clinton did, which is fair like because Clinton did vote

741
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: for the war in Iraq and Rice wasn't in a

742
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: position to do that, but she would have if Rice

743
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: had been in the same position that Clinton was in.

744
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: And more to the point, Susan Rice like at the time,

745
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: if you look at kind of her responses, it seems

746
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: very clear to me that she was too scared that

747
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: the invasion of Iraq might work out to come out

748
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 1: against it, because that would have required a minimum amount

749
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: of political courage. So instead she criticized the administration and

750
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: criticize and talked about how Saddam needed to be gotten

751
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: rid of in a way that who how whoever you were,

752
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: you could interpret her as supporting your side, Like I,

753
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: it's just very very gutless um And yeah, I don't know,

754
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: like there's a bunch of my feelings on this. I

755
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: haven't gotten organized enough of a way, but like, basically

756
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: what you saw in the early nineties is you had

757
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: two different cases of ethnic cleansings, one in Rwanda, which

758
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: again killed about a million people, and one in Bosnia,

759
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: which of which the most well known example is the

760
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: massacre at sebernitsa of Bosniak Muslims that killed seven thousandish people. Um.

761
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: And in both cases, the United States was in a

762
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: position to do something to stop those killings, and the

763
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: UN was in a position to stop those killings. And and

764
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 1: and fucking Bosnia. It's heartbreaking because the the French UN

765
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: general who was in charge of the peacekeeping forces and

766
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: sure bernitsa like when the Muslims kind of like fled

767
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: there from outlying areas fleeing Serbian death squads. This general

768
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: was like, I am here, I will protect you, I

769
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: won't abandon you. And then the UN stood down while

770
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: they all got murdered. Um. So there were a lot

771
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: of people who said, like, hey, we need to if

772
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: we're going to be like the main power in the world,

773
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,959
Speaker 1: we should stop people from getting massacred, which I think

774
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: is broadly speaking a defensible moral position to use military

775
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 1: force to stop massacres. But we wound up not ever

776
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: doing that very effectively. Um. Like you know, you can

777
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: look at Libya, which I think is a more effective

778
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: case of intervention than we saw in Syria, if you

779
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: look at like the varying death tolls between Libya and Syria,

780
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: but in which case, like again, like all the government

781
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: did was basically the NATO got Kadafi out and then

782
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: did nothing else to ensure stability in the region. And

783
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: so Libya is a fucking nightmare every time. Every time

784
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: we just make it worse. Yeah, I don't like you

785
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: start with something like a noble intention on the surface,

786
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: but I mean, I'm a childish and I just think

787
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: we should help people by giving them medicine and like

788
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: like helping them live, as opposed to helping other people die. Um,

789
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: But I don't. Yeah, I'm I'm broadly speaking fine with,

790
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: for example, stopping dictators from using their air forces to

791
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: bomb civilian populations. Like I think if we'd done that

792
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: with a Sad a couple hundred thousand Syrians might still

793
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: be alive. But again, you never have number one, any

794
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: sort of moral commitment, like you look at near A

795
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: Tandon's memo right like that, Like there's no moral commitment

796
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: from any of these people to actually stop tragedies. It's

797
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: more of a desire for political capital and like what

798
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: can we get out of it? Like the fact that

799
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: anybody would be looking at the situation in Libya and

800
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: thinking can we get their oil? Um is a damning

801
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: statement on that person's moral compass. It's the same thing

802
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: with like thinking that about fucking Iraq, right, yeah, if

803
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: you again, I think it, I am. I get into

804
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: arguments with fucking tank He's on Twitter about this all

805
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: the time. I think it's a morally defensible position to

806
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: say that if so, if some fucking dictator is trying

807
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: to massacre a huge number of people rising up against him,

808
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: and we can stop that by putting planes in the

809
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: air and bombing an air field. Fuck itt uh Like

810
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: I don't I I don't have any issue with that.

811
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: But it's not enough to just do that and then,

812
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: for example, let Turkey and Russia and whatnot start flooding

813
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: that country with weaponry and funding for different militant groups

814
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: that you wind up with fucking civil war. Um. And

815
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: it's not enough to also, on our part, have our

816
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: aid just be sending in rifles to the people we like,

817
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: because all that results in is more fighting. Um. And

818
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: that's the fucking problem is that the there's never on

819
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: behalf of the Democrats who are supportive of using US

820
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: forces to to peace keep and again these people will

821
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: talk about their wandon genocide and and the genocide and

822
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: the Balkans as like they support intervention interventions, and they're

823
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: not wrong to say that those both of those moments

824
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: should have inspired international effort to stop stuff like that. Right,

825
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: The reasonable response to Rwanda is, yes, we should have

826
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: intervened because a million people got butchered and that didn't

827
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: need to happen. Um, but nobody has actually taken anything.

828
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: Like the problem is that it only I think, yeah,

829
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: it's when I mean, yeah, it's there, there's so many problems. Yeah,

830
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: but it's even I mean even the term peacekeeping is like, well, yeah, well, um,

831
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: it's I think it would have been fair for what

832
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: could have been done in fucking Rwanda, which is a

833
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: case in which we had warning that like tensions were building,

834
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: there were troops on the ground that could have done something.

835
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: I think part of it is that it can't just

836
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: be the fucking United States. It can't just be NATO.

837
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: It it does need to be some sort of international

838
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: organization that has a consistent commitment to, for example, stopping

839
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: dictators from using Sara nerve gas to butcher thousands of people. Well,

840
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: there's no don't have that. The the actions taken and

841
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: the way they got they're gone about and then the

842
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: after the after effects, and the actions taken afterwards. None

843
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: of that points to uh, any of these actions being

844
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: taken for the reasons stated at all. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: uh supporting them, I don't know, supporting any of that.

846
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Speaker 1: It's like, well, you but you don't mean it. You're

847
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: not trying to do that. You're not trying to do

848
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Speaker 1: the thing that you're saying you're trying to do. So

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Speaker 1: do it because you're going to make things worse. Um,

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Speaker 1: you guys are smart, and it's nice to listen to you.

851
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Speaker 1: I like the problem I can I can think of

852
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: in like our lifetimes exactly one case of the United

853
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Speaker 1: States intervening in a foreign in a part of a

854
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Speaker 1: foreign country, at least in a way that was pretty

855
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: unequivocally a success for the people living in that region. Um,

856
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: and that would be our support of the SDF and

857
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: Northeast Syria. Again, criticisms to make criticisms with the self administration,

858
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 1: to make criticisms of the US policy there to make.

859
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Speaker 1: But again I've spent time there. People there are safe.

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Speaker 1: Particularly you compare them to people in fucking Aleppo, right

861
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Speaker 1: to the people in other chunks of Syria who got

862
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: massacred by the government. They enjoy, you know, in Northeast

863
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Speaker 1: Syria a degree of political autonomy, a degree of freedom,

864
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Speaker 1: and a degree of security that up until you know,

865
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Speaker 1: the Turkish invasion was the highest in the country probably, Um.

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Speaker 1: And it was not just a matter of shipping in weaponry.

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Speaker 1: It was a matter of finding a group of people

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Speaker 1: who were like actually trying to make life better for

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00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: people there and who had proven an ability to do that,

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Speaker 1: and then asking those people, what do you need in

871
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: order to continue to provide security to the people in

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00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: this region. And it was broadly speaking successful. And we've

873
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: never done anything else like it in our entire history

874
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,479
Speaker 1: because that's well, you know, I mean we've already stopped. Yeah,

875
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: Like that's the approach. Like that's sort of like what

876
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: I was getting too earlier. Like it's uh, I mean,

877
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Speaker 1: the Department of Defense, the name that name alone is

878
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: just like coming, guys, because has attacked us in an

879
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: organized way, and like any any sort of these situations,

880
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: like it's not it's just not our place. And I

881
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: understand like the moral issue of like, but this is happening,

882
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: it's not our place. Um, and uh, the idea that

883
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: the solution is to send more weapons into uh a

884
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: place like that is just um, it's just not what

885
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: to do. And there's no alternative that we've tried that

886
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: illustrates that. So it's always the arguments, always well, well

887
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,959
Speaker 1: what else, Like, well you can't. You can't say nothing

888
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: else works if you don't do it. And just like

889
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: I I even as as like climate change gets worse

890
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,479
Speaker 1: and worse, I keep I think I've talked to Katie

891
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: about this. Of like a an actual Department of Defense

892
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: would pour money not into weapons or bombs or any

893
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: of this. It would pour money into the ability to

894
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: rescue people from dangerous situations and give aid to people

895
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: who need it. That's how you help people, and that's

896
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: how you peace. Keep like that, but not getting involved

897
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: in the violence or you know, deciding who gets to

898
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: come to power. Yeah, right, rescue and aid is where

899
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: our effort and money should go to, if at all,

900
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: if we're going to be the world police, um and

901
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: just right, exactly and just and but instead just like

902
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: sending weapons and bombs and bullets to people. So it's

903
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: just like so emtithetical to the goal. If we actually

904
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Speaker 1: wanted a department that defended the United states and protected

905
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: its people from foreign aggression. The best way to do

906
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: that would be to provide free medical make medical school

907
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: and nursing school free, and get as many doctors and

908
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: nurses as possible, and then do what Cuba does and

909
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: send them everywhere in the world and send them everything

910
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: less people. If the United if US foreign policy was

911
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: primarily oriented around sending doctors and food places, it would

912
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: be harder for people to drum up, you know, desire

913
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: to attack US interests abroad well, because I mean, the

914
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: guys have sent all those doctors over here, right, It

915
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't be world police, it would be world doctors. Like yeah, yeah,

916
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: it's a yeah, there's it's it's and it's a dramatic shift,

917
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: but it's an important one to keep talking about because

918
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Speaker 1: that's because the alternative is just this is the thorniest

919
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: part of it for me, because I'm I am I'm

920
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: an internationalist fundamentally, I am a I am a A

921
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: this It is our problem if if someone, if a

922
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: dictator in a foreign country, uses chemical weapons, biological weapons

923
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: against his people, because once you break that fucking seal,

924
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: all of us are less safe. And I think you

925
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: can you can look at that. In the case of Syria, right,

926
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: you can see that there was no sort of effective,

927
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: concerted international effort there, and what wound up happening was

928
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: a brutal, grinding war that sent millions and millions of

929
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: people fleeing the country, which caused a refugee crisis, which

930
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: fueled the rise of the far right in Europe and

931
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: the United States to a significant extent, and led to

932
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: more violence internationally and domestically in all of those countries.

933
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: Like everything is fucking connected. And the fact that Obama's

934
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: administrator and completely fucked Syria, as they fucked Libya, um

935
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: as they fucked up most things that they did, doesn't

936
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: mean that the answer was to just ignore the butchering

937
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, because that comes

938
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: back on your ass too. You can look at the

939
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: fucking Spanish Civil War if you want to see what

940
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: happens when you have that sort of a situation and

941
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: you allow fascists to bomb innocent people. It doesn't stay there.

942
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: It didn't fucking stay in Spain. Those same bombers were

943
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: soon in France, were soon in Northern Africa, were soon

944
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: in fucking Ukraine and Russia. In Poland. Um, that's the

945
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: way it works, And it doesn't mean that the answer

946
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: is to intervene and cause regime changes and like pick

947
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: leaders for people and support dictators, which, by the way,

948
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: talking about Susan Rice, big fan of a couple of

949
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: different fucking dictators and strongman because the lesson she took

950
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: out of Rwanda was you need to have these strong

951
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: autocratic leaders in places like Ethiopia and World Wanda in

952
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: order to clamp down and unrest violently so that there's

953
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Speaker 1: not another genocide, which is the stupidest lesson you could

954
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: possibly learn from fucking Rwanda. But I don't like Rice. Um. Yeah,

955
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: it's all very frustrating, and I don't know how to

956
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: make the world better, But I don't think that the

957
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: answer is to ignore horrible things that have Yeah, it's difficult,

958
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: because that's I mean, that's sure. I don't disagree. Like,

959
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: we're all in this together. That's the point, right, We're

960
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: all in this together. We're all everything's connected. We're all connected.

961
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: That's the that's the good, warm feeling of an idea.

962
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: But the systems and institutions we have in place don't

963
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: do any of these things for those reasons. UM. And

964
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: so even supporting like what one could argue like, well,

965
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: we have to do something about this, It's not going

966
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: to go that way yea. And so what is to

967
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: be done other than other than sending doctors and medicine,

968
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: food and like, well help people. The answer, and I

969
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: my position on this has changed and evolved over the years,

970
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: but the answer I increasingly come to is that is twofold,

971
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: one of which is that you can't just focus on

972
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: ship that happens in your own backyard, and you can't

973
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: ignore horrible things that happen in other countries. And also

974
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: the system that we have makes it basically impossible for

975
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: any intervention to not wind up being cravenly self interested

976
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: and fundamentally toxic to the people that it affects. Um.

977
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: And so we need to burn down Capitol Hill. And

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00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: on that note, the answer, Yeah, um, this was fascinating

979
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Speaker 1: to listen to you guys talk about UM, but we

980
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: do have to wrap the episode up. Yeah, okay for today,

981
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: just for today, more talk more about tandemonium. Tandemonium, Uh

982
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: tandem bicycle Yeah, okay, Well just got a notification, probably

983
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: just shattered daily COVID records. Yeah, we're number one. We're

984
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: number one the jokes that doesn't get old. You guys

985
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: can check us out online at Worst Year Pod, on

986
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: Instagram and the Twitter. You can follow us to We're there.

987
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Speaker 1: know it, or if you don't, that's on you. Um.

989
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Speaker 1: But stay safe, you know, keep walking through that tunnel

990
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: with your mask us as much as you can. Don't

991
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: try not to interfere in other countries stuff. Don't stick

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Speaker 1: your metaphorical dick in a more or less literal lamp.

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Speaker 1: Prey there it is. Don't show COVID sides to foam

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Speaker 1: a bad remake? Okay, well what if it's a good

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Speaker 1: remake though you don't know yet. What if it's ten

996
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Speaker 1: things I hate about you? There? You over there? Well,

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Speaker 1: we've come to no conclusions except for Susan Rice and

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Speaker 1: near A Tandon aren't great and covideens also pretty lame.

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Speaker 1: I imagine we'll have plenty to say about appointments in

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Speaker 1: the future. We Yeah, the conversation was great. Also the

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Speaker 1: white men that he's appointing to. Yeah, well, another opportunity.

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Speaker 1: How did anyone not love the left? With all of

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Speaker 1: the solutions that we came. We love agree. We love

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Speaker 1: agreeing with each other and having solutions. Goodbye everything, So again,

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