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Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson. And well it's a lovely Monday

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Speaker 2: here in Pittsburgh. Yeah, as we dodge the rain drops

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Speaker 2: once again, it's gone off and on rainy.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of that what it is this time of year.

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Speaker 3: But at least there's no power outagism. But I think

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Speaker 3: we're past all that stuff, right.

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Speaker 2: I think. Although they said someone hail today Mike crazy

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Speaker 2: with my house on Friday, though I didn't really believe

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Speaker 2: I had, Like, I mean, it was a couple of

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Speaker 2: inches thick up against the side of my house. Oh wow,

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Speaker 2: brick house and it must have just hit and just

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Speaker 2: all went straight down. I'm like, wow, that was pretty

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Speaker 2: that's bonkers, pretty impressive. Didn't push the house over, no, no,

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Speaker 2: But on that subject. According to the Washington Post, when

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Speaker 2: the owners meet in Minneapolis on May twentieth and twenty, first.

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Speaker 3: I forgot there's another owners meeting that they don't go to.

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Speaker 2: This all the stuff gets pushed through anything and they

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Speaker 2: tabled and the table at the meetings to push and

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Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff there. The league is expected

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Speaker 2: to consider a revised proposal that would prohibit not just

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Speaker 2: the touch push, but any aiding of a runner. See,

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Speaker 2: I think that's the only way to do it. That's

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Speaker 2: the way to do it.

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Speaker 3: If you're going to go in, you make the rule

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Speaker 3: across the board. And that used to be a rule.

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Speaker 2: It used to be the case.

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Speaker 3: And I never knew it went away until everyone's helping

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Speaker 3: each other, you know, like I never you know, a

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Speaker 3: two hundred pound running back is fighting for his life

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Speaker 3: at the two yard line, gang tackles, fight and blah

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Speaker 3: blah blah, and then a big guard comes in and

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Speaker 3: grabs them and throws them over the goal line. That

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Speaker 3: shouldn't be allowed. No, you know, tag team wrestling.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm waiting for some team to you know,

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Speaker 2: get a little person at running back and just toss

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Speaker 2: them over the line of scrimming.

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Speaker 3: Did you hear that one? You're not the first to

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Speaker 3: think of this. The dude that came up, what's his name,

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Speaker 3: He used to coach at Texas Tech. He was like

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Speaker 3: the first air raid guy publicly said we were looking

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Speaker 3: for little people that are athletic, and we were going

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Speaker 3: to throw. We were going to throw over the over

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Speaker 3: the top. I don't think that should be legal. Mike Leach, Yes,

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Speaker 3: I think it was Mike Leach. Yeah, and say it's

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Speaker 3: a well known coach that is a very innovative mind

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Speaker 3: who wanted to slightly crazy, slightly crazy, and we had

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Speaker 3: some good baseball stories before we had you know, went

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Speaker 3: on the air. Didn't wasn't there like a very small

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Speaker 3: human being that they would bring up in like the

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Speaker 3: forties center strike vaguely? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: He walked a lot of it. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: he did a bunch of times, but they did it

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Speaker 2: at least once.

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Speaker 3: At least once. There's a picture of want to play.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, it should be illegal.

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Speaker 2: It should be illegal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the tush bush should be illegal.

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Speaker 2: Just yeah, just make all of it. You can't aid.

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Speaker 3: You can sneak all you want. I just can't have

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Speaker 3: somebody behind me do it work for me, Reah, that's

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Speaker 3: my part of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, The quarterback sneak has been part of football

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Speaker 2: since football began. You know, the the Ice Bowl was

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Speaker 2: the Liver World, the Ice Bowl was one on a

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Speaker 2: quarterback sneak. Sure, sure, you know that's Tom Brady's great

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Speaker 2: at it. I mean, you don't even have to be

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Speaker 2: a great athlete to do it right. You have a

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Speaker 2: feel for where the opening and then dive into it.

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Speaker 2: But he pushing somebody through that should be illegal.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad it hasn't happened, but I'm also very shocked

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Speaker 3: that someone has not been injured.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was the quarterback. That was the reasoning when

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Speaker 2: we were at the meetings that some of the coaches

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Speaker 3: I remember Mike mentioned that, He's like, there's just on

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Speaker 3: the compliment and usually we have a ton of players

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Speaker 2: There was isn't there like one hundred and seventy toush

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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean it's not dangerous. You know, you say

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Speaker 2: that nobody had gotten hurt, but the teams that run

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Speaker 2: at the most well they're the Eagles were dealing with

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Speaker 2: injuries at Garden Center in the Super Bowl. Could that

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I bet there have been linemen. I'm not

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Speaker 3: just focused more on quarterbacks, but probably.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and I understand that could happen on any.

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Speaker 3: Play, but it is tight quarter rough on the body plays. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, but that could happen on a sneak. It

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Speaker 3: could happen on a sneak. But at the same time,

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Speaker 3: you know, to say that there's you know, there's no

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Speaker 3: injury that I just think not being able to control

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Speaker 3: yourself getting pushed from.

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Speaker 2: Behind, shove from behind into a massive human like.

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Speaker 3: You know, a doll. You know, doing my best is

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Speaker 3: not good for protecting yourself.

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Speaker 2: And it's just not a fun play to watch.

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Speaker 3: I think it's terrible to watch. Yeah, you know, even

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Speaker 3: if the Steelers were the best team ever at it,

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Speaker 3: I'd be like, yeah, bam.

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Speaker 2: It it's nothing against the Eagles or it's nothing you

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Speaker 2: know for them the team to do it. Well, fine,

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Speaker 2: that's great.

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Speaker 3: And did Tomlin say something like that too, like good

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Speaker 3: for We're all in favor of teams being creative and

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Speaker 3: finding not a loophole, but getting really good at something.

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Speaker 2: That really creative.

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Speaker 3: Though creative might not be the right word, but they've

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Speaker 2: It's it's certainly it was certainly something that was innovative. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I and one of the things that Tomlin said

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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, that can't be legal, right, And then

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Speaker 2: it was it was a loophole in the role. And

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Speaker 2: I'm just not a fan, Like I just think back

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Speaker 2: to that the NFC Championship game when it became a joke.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I know, you know you just dive goal line too, right,

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Speaker 3: And what do I have to lose? I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: back half the distance of the goal when I'm already

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Speaker 3: on the goal line, right, No, right, No, there's a

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Speaker 3: room for that to make it real, don't Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 2: I think that was really the tipping point for the

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Speaker 3: Right, that's when I realized that ref can actually award

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Speaker 3: a touchdown. Yeah, like, you're not playing in the spirit

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Speaker 3: of the rules, but why should the defense be penalized?

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Speaker 3: I mean, like I kind of was more on Washington

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Speaker 2: If they awarded a touchdown, I just thought of this,

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Speaker 2: who would actually get the touchdown?

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Speaker 3: Like for fantasy reasons or right, Yeah, you can't give

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Speaker 3: it the Hurts and just assume he got.

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Speaker 2: It and assume he got it right, right?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Is his team touchdown?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: All the touchdowns wouldn't ad up in the individuals. They

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Speaker 3: would not, Probably, I assume it's called Eagles touchdown? Would

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Speaker 3: your defense special teams get it for fantasy that?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I would certainly be

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Speaker 2: if if that situation arose, but.

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Speaker 3: We weren't like the Shenanigans. The defense is let let alone.

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Speaker 2: Let's say it happened on the first play of the

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Speaker 2: game or the first series of the game, and all

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Speaker 2: the gamblers out there right right first touchdown, you had

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts to score a touchdown and he didn't get

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Speaker 2: it because of that?

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Speaker 3: Or do they just say that last play has been

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Speaker 3: awarded a touchdown? So whatever the play, whether they gave

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Speaker 2: Know, I don't know, I don't know. I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: I guess there's an official score.

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Speaker 2: I hope I never have to find out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe in a couple of weeks we'll realize that

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Speaker 3: that is illegal once again. Yeah, I know one team

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Speaker 3: that's not going to vote for changing it. One, maybe

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Speaker 3: two or three, but definitely one.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because at the meetings the Eagles people

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Speaker 2: were leaning on some of their coaches. Some of the

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Speaker 2: guys who had been in their organization were now outside

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Speaker 2: you got your job. Kellen kelling Morn. Yeah, that doesn't

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's still a fool going forward.

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Speaker 2: If I were Kelling Moore, I'd be like, yeah, but

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Speaker 2: if I don't like to play, I don't like to play.

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Speaker 2: You guys were doing that before I got here.

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Speaker 3: I was just saying, then why did you hire me?

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Speaker 3: You didn't hire me just because I'm a great toush pusher.

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Speaker 3: You were pushing tushes before I was here.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Toush push did not get me my job. No, right,

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Speaker 2: we won the Super we didn't take it to a

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Speaker 3: I don't think the Saints said we're hiring you just

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Speaker 2: Come in and show us how to do the Toush push.

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Speaker 3: Right. Maybe they'll be better at it than Joe Blow team.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I just I don't think it's a good

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Speaker 2: It's not entertaining at all.

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Speaker 3: That's actually my bottom line with it. I think it's

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Speaker 3: potentially dangerous to quarterbacks, which is the thing we're trying

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Speaker 3: to save the most. And I don't think it's entertaining

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Speaker 2: And the scrums themselves are they're basically rugby. It's very

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Speaker 2: much like I mean, you see the running back gets

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Speaker 2: stood up after a five yard gain and then all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, here comes the lineman and the push

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Speaker 2: him from behind, and oh it looks so exciting. It's

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Speaker 3: Nobody ever cares about, like the rest point of view.

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Speaker 3: But when do they know to blow the whistle too?

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Speaker 3: Like it's probably a difficult play for them, And spotting

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Speaker 3: the football's got to be really hard because it's just

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Speaker 3: so much humanity, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it only happens in the middle of the field. Again,

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Speaker 2: I go back to the Steelers game against Kansas City

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Speaker 2: when they blew that play dead to George Pickens at

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Speaker 2: the end of the half, right right right, and the

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Speaker 2: he gets knocked off of him by one of the

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Speaker 2: other would be tacklers, and he goes running down the

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Speaker 2: sidelines and they'd already blown the whistle. Yeah, if that's

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the field, they don't blow the

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Speaker 3: Right right, there's still feet moving and a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just it takes all the gray area out of Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what would be losing as an NFL community.

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Speaker 2: Nothing, not really, there were years and years where that

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt. Let's take a look at the

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Speaker 3: Start last season, okay, compared to now, so the out

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Speaker 3: of training camp final roster basically yes, okay, so there's

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Speaker 2: Know, so the wide receivers going into last season where

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Speaker 2: George Pickens, Van Jeerson, Calvin Austin, Scotty Miller, Roman Wilson. Okay,

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Speaker 2: now you're looking at a situation where it is DK Metcalf,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think when we do these things,

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Speaker 3: How do you feel differently about them now than then

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think he's gotten better. I think you

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Speaker 2: I don't feel any different now about Roman Wilson. That's

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Speaker 3: I guess that's still the same.

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Speaker 2: That's the same.

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Speaker 2: And then DK Metcalfe and Robert Woods and Ben's for

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Speaker 3: I like the depth then better. I mean, with Daniels

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Speaker 3: I think that's just a wash. Have you changed?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not ready. There are a lot of people

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Speaker 3: No, and I don't think they do either. Trying to

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Speaker 2: To be better than what he has been. But I'm

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Speaker 3: well absolutely, depth concerns for me, Yeah, you know. I

438
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,439
Speaker 3: mean they could go off the rails. Jones has a

439
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,360
Speaker 3: bad year and Fraser Guitart like you.

440
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,720
Speaker 2: Know, well, I mean what team isn't that There's no question.

441
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,359
Speaker 3: I mean it's a very thin position.

442
00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,960
Speaker 2: You start losing tackles, you're in trouble big time. Looking

443
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,679
Speaker 2: at the tight end position largely the same except Michael

444
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:50,880
Speaker 2: Preuit swapped out for Donald Parum.

445
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,560
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm a little less on Hayward. I mean, I'm

446
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,439
Speaker 3: trying to be as nitpicky as possible. I'm definitely higher

447
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 3: on Washington.

448
00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,439
Speaker 2: Feel better about way better about Washington. I did a year.

449
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 3: I thought he was one of the most improved players

450
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 3: on the team. I think he's His numbers will never

451
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 3: show it, but I think he's one of the harder

452
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 3: tight ends to play against. For opposing defensive coordinators across

453
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 3: the board, no matter what style you play.

454
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 2: Fry remove them the same one.

455
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 3: I think. I don't think I've a way he's a

456
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,199
Speaker 3: lot worse, he's a lot better. I think he is

457
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,360
Speaker 3: what he is, and I think they're still untapp potential there. Yeah,

458
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 3: more over the middle passing would help him to I

459
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 3: mean I think schematically things could go his way. Parham

460
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,400
Speaker 3: versus prew It, they're very different. Yeah, very different, very different.

461
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 3: I'm kind of excited to see the Parham usage or

462
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 3: can he block anybody? He's tall and skinny, like, I mean,

463
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 3: he's gonna have he's gonna struggle with the power edge guys. Yeah,

464
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 3: but he could be a getting away dude and he

465
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 3: can might. I don't know what they'll do with them.

466
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 3: I mean, prew It was more somewhat full backish move

467
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 3: all around, you know, so, I mean that's small potatoes though.

468
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: At running back right now, you're looking at Jalm Warren,

469
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: Caleb Johnson, Kenneth Gamewell, Cordell Patterson. Last year going into

470
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 2: the season, Well, it was nausey Harris, Jaleen Warren, Quardell Patterson, Gamee.

471
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 3: Well's a nice bonus that you didn't have. It would

472
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 3: have been nice to have one more back as opposed

473
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 3: to some of the guys that are bringing back the

474
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 3: undrafted dudes. Johnson's an unknown, but I think I would

475
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 3: be higher on him now than I was Nausey then.

476
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I'm being fair to myself with that,

477
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, sitting in La Trobe talking about

478
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 3: nause I mean, I wasn't saying bad things, you know.

479
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 2: And that's the that's the conundrum with Naugy Harris. Right, Okay,

480
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: he went out and he put up four straight one

481
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: thousand yard seasons. Yeah, yeah, nobody else did that over

482
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: that time period. But it was also you know, kind

483
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 2: of high volume, thousand.

484
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 3: Hard fought yards and not a lot of big plays.

485
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 3: And right, I mean, he is what he is. And

486
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 3: if you told me Johnson this year would be as

487
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 3: good as Nausey last year, I think I'd go fish.

488
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 3: I'm actually hoping for better.

489
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: As good at like somebody somebody brought that up on

490
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: the mess a real broad statement, you know, and they said, well,

491
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: you know, can he be? I said, look if if

492
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 2: he goes out and puts up over the next four years,

493
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 2: four thousand yard seasons, even if he just barely gets

494
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 2: to a thousand yards like nause did in a couple,

495
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 2: how did he get there?

496
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 3: And said the eyeball test is important for me on

497
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 3: that was.

498
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 2: Did he get there on two hundred and twenty five carries?

499
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 2: Did it take him three hundred? Like there's a there's a.

500
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 3: Huge averaging four to three and breaking off some longer

501
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: runs I'm sure he'll face lighter boxes than Nausey did

502
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 3: to be in Nause's corn, right, he did not have

503
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 3: an easy go of it and did not. You would

504
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 3: hope Johnson has a better, more talented offensive line, certainly

505
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 3: more talented pass catchers to aid the running game. You're

506
00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,120
Speaker 3: two of the system. But I think Johnson has a

507
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 3: really good chance to be the better player for the Steelers, right,

508
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 3: you know, I'm with you. You throw a little gainwell

509
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 3: in there, helps you know. They didn't have that guy.

510
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: And I don't know that Patterson makes this team.

511
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 3: I kind of don't think he will. But he was intriguing,

512
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 3: I guess a year ago, you know, yeah, I was

513
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 3: glad he was around, right, a third running back, clearly

514
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 3: a third running back with some gadgety stuff and didn't

515
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 3: really come to fruition.

516
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. The quarterbacks coming out of camp last year, of course,

517
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 2: were Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, Kyle Allen. Right now it's

518
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: it's still Mason, Rudolph, will Howard, Skyler Thompson. I think

519
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: we can work on the assumption, yeah, that he who

520
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 2: shall not be named will be.

521
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: But like Howard, I mean to really nerd out, I

522
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 3: mean Howard has more value than Allen. Yes, Thompson probably

523
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 3: has the least value. Yeah, I mean, if we're talking

524
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 3: about the bottom of the wrong guys, judging Rudolph, how

525
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: I feel about him now verse how I felt about

526
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 3: Wilson and Fields. Then I was pretty optimistic about those guys.

527
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 3: So I would give both them the nod over Rudolph,

528
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 3: but I'm really happy he's here at the moment, assuming

529
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 3: another piece drops, you know what I mean, Like, I'll

530
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 3: take the quarterback room with Rogers over that quarterback room.

531
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was.

532
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: I had some optimism about both Fields and Wilson, you know.

533
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't like these guys are gonna be

534
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 3: one and done. They're not worth investing in or anything.

535
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 3: I mean, I only broke camp. I agree what I'm

536
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 3: trying to think here, I agree. And Wilson at that

537
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: point had some injury stuff. I mean, he hadn't done much.

538
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, moving over to the defense. Coming out of camp,

539
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 2: your defensive line was Larry Ogan, Jobi Kean, u Benton,

540
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 2: cam Hayward, Dean Lowry, Montrevius Adams, Isaiah Loudermilk, Logan Lee

541
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Speaker 2: was in the mix. In the mix Hurt. Now you're

542
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: looking at Derek Harmon, Keanu Benton, Cam Hayward, Isaiah Loudermilk

543
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: ya Ya Black, Daniel ca Dean Lowry, Logan Lee. We'll

544
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: see about some of the other guys there, Dominique Davis.

545
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: But I think those are.

546
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: If we look at like guys top seven verse top

547
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 3: seven argument. So people listen probably remember I never say

548
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 3: anything bad about Cam Hayward, but coming out of camp,

549
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: I was worried. I'm like, is this the year he

550
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: gets old? I mean, he was coming off an injury

551
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 3: plague season. I didn't expect him to be an All

552
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: pro in twenty twenty four, you know, And now I'm

553
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: pretty sure he's an all pro. So my valuation, my

554
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 3: evaluation of Hayward then versus now, is much rosier now,

555
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 3: even though he's a year old. Yeah, I mean just

556
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: because the year he was coming off of at the

557
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 3: time wasn't like he was doing much in camp for

558
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 3: preseason either. It wasn't bull rushing guys into the club.

559
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 2: I mean he was taking that stuff, taking a lot

560
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: of days off.

561
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Speaker 3: And yeah, even sight unseen, I'll take Harmon over Oroganjobi.

562
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 3: I think he'll make a decent player.

563
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: I think he'll make more plays.

564
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean even the rookie version verse an aging,

565
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 3: hard to keep on the field type guy. I'll take

566
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 3: harmon Lowry's Lowry. I like Benton a little more now

567
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 3: than then, but that was also expected. I mean like

568
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: I had high hopes and he basically fulfilled them so good.

569
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: I would say his name wrong. But the Patriot dude

570
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 3: they signed, he's another one, not like Parum. I put

571
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: him a part the tier or two above him as

572
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: a player, but I am kind of curious. Is he

573
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: gonna play nose? Yeah?

574
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: What?

575
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of him. So he's

576
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: kind of an incomplete for me. But if I'm comparing

577
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: him to louder Milk or Lowry, I like him probably

578
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 3: better now than I did those guys then. I was

579
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 3: an Adams fan and didn't last season didn't go his way.

580
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 3: I mean, two seasons ago I thought were really good.

581
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 3: I thought it was one of the more underrated Steelers.

582
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 3: So I felt really good about him leaving training camp,

583
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: and that one didn't really come to fruition. Injuries had

584
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: something to do with it. Lee's just like the Roman

585
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: Wilson conversation.

586
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just don't know we missing anyone. I think

587
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 2: that's it.

588
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 3: I would lean towards now, I think so. I mean,

589
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: I feel so much different. Boy Cam, I didn't think

590
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: he was you know, I mean it was unbelievable last year. Yeah,

591
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: where I.

592
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 2: Thought, no, this might be the end outside linebacker. Last

593
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: year you had what high Smith still had the Marvin

594
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 2: Lee al At that point.

595
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: I me, he's needs to be factored into this conversation somehow.

596
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Nick Krbick, where your four linebacker outside backers

597
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: coming out of camp basically, and now it looks a

598
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 2: little different. You get Watt and high Smith. You also

599
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: have Herbig. Has our opinion on those three changed at all? No,

600
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: not a bit, and there are all one years. Might

601
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: feel better about Herbig. I thought Herbig was better in

602
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: year two than he had been in year one.

603
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, as I say, I mean he might be. If

604
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 3: we're grading on one hundred scale, he may have went

605
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 3: from an eighty four to an eighty six, you know

606
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 3: what I mean. Where the other two don't change at all.

607
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 3: It wasn't like, boy, they're a year older, you're slower.

608
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: I don't see that.

609
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: So that's kind of a wash lel still saint. No same.

610
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: Then you've added Jeremiah Moon and Jack Sawyer to the

611
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: mix as well.

612
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: There just wasn't a Sawyer last year. Yeah, you had

613
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: to go trade for a Sawyer. Yeah yeah, yeah, So

614
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: better now?

615
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: Okay? Insideline by player, right, Yeah, Queen, Patrick Wilson or

616
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: Peyton Wilson, I should say, Cole Holcomb, Malie Harrison, Mark Robinson.

617
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: You got Devin Harper and Carson Brunner there as well.

618
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: Last year coming out of camp it was Queen and

619
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: Landon Roberts, Peyton Wilson, Mark Robinson and Tyler Matakaevich.

620
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: Okay, so this isn't the way we should do it,

621
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: but I prefer Roberts to Harrison as a linebacker. Okay,

622
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: but I think as currently constructed, Harrison's now you're four,

623
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: where Roberts was your two or three. Right, So if

624
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: we look at the depth chart, if we rank them

625
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: one through four, Roberts is really fighting Holcombe or Wilson,

626
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And I feel better about

627
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: Wilson now than then, and I think he's ready to

628
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 3: be not just a nickel dime. I may have had,

629
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: I may have had higher hopes for Queen then than now.

630
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he had a bad year, but I

631
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: thought he might be a top five he was coming

632
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: off a Pro Bowl with the Ravens. I'd probably had

633
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: a higher grade. I did have a higher grade on

634
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: him then than now. It doesn't mean he can't get

635
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: back to that, but I thought he might be a

636
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: top five linebacker and he wasn't a top five linebacker.

637
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: I still think Holcomb's good. I mean, if Holkom's are three,

638
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 3: it's not bad, and it's not bad at all?

639
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: Right bad? And I you know, to me, Carson Brunner

640
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: is a younger, faster version of Mattakeaevich.

641
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah that's gonna be a wash. Mark Robinson may or

642
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: may not be here, but that's a wash too. Yeah,

643
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: he's gotten a little better on defense too. I mean

644
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: he's a lifetime special teamer probably probably. But do you

645
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 3: feel better about your top three today than then? I

646
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: feel different, tops.

647
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: I'd feel a lot better about Wilson now than I

648
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: did going in. I had hopes for Wilson last year. Yeah,

649
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: now I've actually seen what it looks like, and.

650
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: So I think's good. Let phrase it this way. Twenty

651
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: twenty four, Queen Wilson slash Roberts is your top three.

652
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: I think that's about equal to twenty twenty five. Queen

653
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: better Wilson Holkum, who I think is going to be

654
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: backing up both guys. Yeah, and you didn't have a Harrison,

655
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 3: And you don't compare Harrison to Roberts. You compare him

656
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: to the number four, Yeah, which is a special team,

657
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: which was Mark Robbins. This is Robinson. Now he's a five. Yeah,

658
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: so you gained a spot on the death charter mouth,

659
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Yeah, there's like one more

660
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: body there too. Yeah, so I guess now, but i'd

661
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: like to see Queens. Yeah, Queen.

662
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: Could be better at cornerback. Going into last season, it

663
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: was Dante Jackson, Joey Porter Jr. Corey Trice, Darius Rush

664
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: with Beanie Bishop as the nickel. Yeah, now you're looking

665
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: at Darius Slay, Joey Porter Jr. Corey Trice, James Pierre

666
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: who they added back after the season started last year,

667
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: Kyler McMichael, Cameron McCutcheon, Sebastian castro Or, I'm sorry, Brandon Eccles,

668
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: and then.

669
00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: You've got and Bishop as well. It's close. I mean

670
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: Porter's really good.

671
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 2: Porter's very good, and this idea that he somehow had

672
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: a down season last year, I don't get.

673
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna phrase it that way, but I was

674
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: going to phrase it that when we broke camp, I

675
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 3: thought maybe he was going to be a top five corner. Sure,

676
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: and he's just really good and not that yet. But

677
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: that doesn't like hurt his grade or make me worry

678
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: about him.

679
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: We didn't know anything about Trice going into last year.

680
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: That's what I say is I think just a little

681
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: more knowledge is good. Yeah, because he was a total

682
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: one now total one, and he was just like a

683
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: seven round pick version.

684
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he hadn't played. If we could be.

685
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: Fair to ourselves, what was our thoughts on Jackson then

686
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: versus Lay Now?

687
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: I thought Jackson was going to be good. I thought

688
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: he better than he was, to be honest, Yeah, I

689
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: think that's fair.

690
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Slay's had a way better career.

691
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: Slave's had a ridiculously better career.

692
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: I mean, Slay didn't have his best year last year,

693
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: but it was still a good year, and it's a

694
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: better year than Jackson ever had. Yeah, So I'll take

695
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 3: my chances with an older Sleigh than the version of

696
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: Jackson we were going into with and.

697
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: I think what you didn't have last year is Echols.

698
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: I'm saying Echles is the bonus prize.

699
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna you know, Eccles over

700
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: a guy like Darius Rush, who I liked Darius.

701
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: We were kind of excited about him a little bit.

702
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: But I remember talking about Rush and Trice then like.

703
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: The they might be the answer.

704
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, who knows? You know they they're free. You

705
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: have one first seven round pick when he picked up

706
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: for nothing.

707
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: You know way more now about Trice than you did

708
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: then then. Yeah, Rush, I don't even know if he's

709
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: in the NFL right now.

710
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if he is or definitely isn't guaranteed

711
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 3: to make a team. Then right here, and.

712
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: Bishop played a lot for you. Played better than I

713
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: thought he would, played better than he thought.

714
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: I mean he was we broke camp as an undrafted

715
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: free agent, making the team as one of the last

716
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: guys on the roster, and he was more than that. Yeah,

717
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: so better now?

718
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: Okay, safety had Deshaun Elliott, making Fitzpatrick, Miles, Kellerbrew Wan Thornhill.

719
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: This is what you have now with Sebastian Castro and

720
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: Joshua Bledsoe also on that roster. Last year it was Elliott, Fitzpatrick,

721
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: Miles Kellerbrew, Demonte Kaz and Jalen Elliott breaking Camp.

722
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 3: So if we go back to like the Queen conversation.

723
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: I had no idea what to expect from Elliott, right,

724
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: I think he was better, way.

725
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: Exceeded and I thought he was gonna Yeah. I'm like, oh,

726
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: that's a nice pick up. He looks like an okay starter. Yeah,

727
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: well he's like really good now.

728
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: You know.

729
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: So I feel way better about that player than I

730
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: did that. I don't think any differently a Manko, No,

731
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: I really don't, and I don't care what the not

732
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 3: to say or any of that. I think he is

733
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 3: one of the best safeties in the league.

734
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: And I like I like Thornhill's fit better than Kz's fit.

735
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 3: I think by a tier or two. I mean, like,

736
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 3: I really don't even think that's close.

737
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: And KZ was fine.

738
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 3: He's we're talking.

739
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: About not a bad player safety, But I didn't want

740
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: to have to play him in the box. No, And

741
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 2: as I can, I can do either with Thornhill and

742
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: feel fine.

743
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: Thorn Hill's more talented. Yeah, he's taller, he's longer, he's faster,

744
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: he's more versatile. I don't know if he's as good

745
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: as tackler, but if he's your third safety, that's a positive.

746
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: Where Casey's not on a team right now. Yeah, Kilbrew's

747
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: the same. Didn't have some hope for Watts. Yeah, I

748
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 3: mean that's an unfortunate one. You know, that was something

749
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: I was starting.

750
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: Wasn't on the roster when the season started last year.

751
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 2: He was already hurt.

752
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so he doesn't he didn't count right, right, right,

753
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: And unfortunately, when we have the same conversation the day

754
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: camp breaks in Latrobe, three or four of these dudes

755
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: are gonna get hurt too.

756
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

757
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: You know, it's easier to say it now because.

758
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: Again that's why you build this depth.

759
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but they might add another body or

760
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 3: two two yeah, so preferably a quarterback, but in addition to.

761
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: In addition to so that's what you're looking at at

762
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: that point. Specialists are better now. Boz is even better

763
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: than I thought he was. Like, I think he might

764
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: be the best kicker in the league. I think that

765
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: is the case.

766
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was really excited about Johnston. Johnston but he's

767
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: gonna be back. He's back, right, right. I assume he's

768
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 3: still the same guy. Ye, right, right. So there's that

769
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: weightman floating around who's an NFL punner.

770
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyways, that was just an interesting little aside there.

771
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: Let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson

772
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: feeling better about the Steelers roster today than going into

773
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 2: last season. I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive

774
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 2: here on the Steelers Audio Network.

775
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamsons on

776
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

777
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

778
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolli. He is the

779
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and the mattow was telling you after Friday's show.

780
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: I got got back home and I've been trying. I've

781
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 2: been in contact with the University of Iowa. I'm working

782
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 2: on some stories on some of the draft picks. And

783
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: I made the big ask. Can I get Coach Farrence

784
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 2: on the phone?

785
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 3: Nice? Nice and hometown guy.

786
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 2: You know, six o'clock on Friday, I get a call.

787
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: I missed it the first time from Iowa. Look at it.

788
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: I listened to my to the message. I'm like, oh,

789
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: Kirk Ference, I missed nice school. So I started texting

790
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: him back. Well, he was texting me at the same time.

791
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: We both hit sended at the same time, and immediately

792
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: my phone rings. It's Kirk Ferrence. Cool and we were

793
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: talking about it. We're just chatting, you know, before we

794
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: started the interview, and he's like, yeah, you know, I

795
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: started my career eighty one. Is a grad assistant grat

796
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: assistant at PITT. I said, I know how old is he?

797
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: Briefly grad assistant at PITT in eighty one. He's got

798
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: to be graduate high school, mid seventies, mid seventies sometime.

799
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so she's probably like fifteen sixteen years older

800
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: than me. Yeah, okay, almost seventy.

801
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: But the Pitt grad assistant job.

802
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 3: It's a breeding ground, dude. There's been some pretty prominent dudes.

803
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: I mean, John Gruden. I'm trying to think who's some

804
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 3: of the other ones that really went on to big things.

805
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: Wanstat, Frank Signetti Junior was a grad assistant.

806
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was at Ben McAdoo who end up being

807
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: the head coach for the Giants. Joe Moorehead was before me.

808
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: He was he's offense. He's the head coach at Akron now,

809
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: but he was offensive coordinator at Penn State, goes zips

810
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: and uh it did some big things at Oregon too.

811
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: I know I'm missing a ton of them.

812
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: There's been a bunch and you can't necessarily find that

813
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: information anywhere because right I don't really keep track of

814
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: the grad assistance.

815
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 3: But that's a pretty long list. I mean, I'm well

816
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 3: down the most successful by about a bazillion. Well one

817
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: though is Steelers new linebacker coach McCurley, Scott Curly. Mcurley,

818
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: he's got and I overlapped briefly there him as a player,

819
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 3: and then he'd also gad a pit too. So yeah,

820
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: it's a breeding ground.

821
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: For those guys have all gone on to great things.

822
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 3: And one of these things is not like the other.

823
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: You're here with me, here we sit doing even better things.

824
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So what did coach Farns have to say? Oh?

825
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: We just you know, I talked about I'm sure talk

826
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: about allree of the draft. We talked about Sebastian Casher.

827
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: We also talked about Logan Lee. Okay, And you know

828
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: the thing that I commented to him about it was Like,

829
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: the interesting thing about all four of those guys, none

830
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: of them transferred. Yeah, they were all Iowa guys from

831
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: the start that they transfer, No, they were all Iowa

832
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: guys the whole time. It just doesn't happen.

833
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 3: I think that's actually kind of an Iowa thing. And the

834
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 3: more I think about it is even like their most

835
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: recent guys weren't three different schools.

836
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: They haven't had a quarterback for It's really kind of

837
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: if you start looking at the Steelers draft class as

838
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: a whole. Swear was an Ohio State guy from from

839
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 2: from the start. Harmon even though he transferred, he didn't

840
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: want to transfer, right until his mom said no, go ahead.

841
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: He wanted to stay at home.

842
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, stenuating circumstances.

843
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: Right, or he would have just stayed in Michigan State.

844
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: And even Howard, he was a grad transfer.

845
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he spent four.

846
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: Years at k State. He did it, He graduated, He

847
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: did his time there, his time there.

848
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 3: That's interesting. Brunar didn't.

849
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: Brunar didn't transfer, And even even the Kent.

850
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: The Caleb Johnson Kent didn't.

851
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: Right, they were all guys that stayed at once pretty

852
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: much at one school the whole way through other than

853
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: you know, Howard transferring and Harmon transferring. That was it.

854
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: McCormick could have many times. I'm just trying to Yeah,

855
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: I mean kind of putting some extra effort into OMAR

856
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 3: draft trends. You know. Now we have three of them,

857
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 3: and the three big ones are big schools in for visits,

858
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 3: high spark guys, you know, workout numbers, and then someone

859
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: corrected me and are like, you might want to throw

860
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: national champions on there too. He's drafted a lot of

861
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 3: national champions, including two this year. But I wonder if

862
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: non trans answers is also somewhat of a trend.

863
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: Somewhat of a train. I get guys that's spent a

864
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: long time, Like, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: They compared to other thirty one teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that the guys that are jumping

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Speaker 2: around left and right all the time, if I were,

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Speaker 2: if I were looking at that, I don't know that

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Speaker 2: I would be as high on them. Like I get

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Speaker 2: you transfer once, maybe the coach coach left or something

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Speaker 2: that's leav incarnate word right, Well that's what happened, Like

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Speaker 2: Walter Nolan left A and M when the coach left. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I get it. I always felt the guy who recruited that,

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Speaker 2: the guy who recruited you there is gone. All right,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go somewhere else. I mean, by the.

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Speaker 3: Days I was old school. You go in there, he

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Speaker 3: promise the parents, we're here forever. We want your kid

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Speaker 3: to graduate. And then the coach leaves next year, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the guys who transfer like three or four times

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Speaker 2: in their career because they're chasing a dollar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that part I don't love.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And again, I mean we've talked about this too. Scoutings

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00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 3: changed so much that you go back to the school

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Speaker 3: that they left. Are they always going to talk well

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Speaker 3: about you if you're not there, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Probably not?

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Speaker 3: Probably not? Ye, you know. Or you have more teammates,

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Speaker 3: you have more coaches, you have more people you interact with.

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Speaker 3: Like in the coaching world, getting fired isn't necessarily bad

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Speaker 3: because then you get to work with the whole new

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Speaker 3: twelve guys or fifteen guys, assuming you get hired again.

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Speaker 3: I hired again, and I actually never tried to be honest.

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Speaker 3: But you know, getting fired wasn't necessarily bad. It's just networking, right,

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Speaker 3: But networking could be bad in these instances too, like

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Speaker 3: he was here for the money and he took off

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Speaker 3: in one year to go to Ohio State win national championship,

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Speaker 3: right right, I don't want a mercenary.

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Speaker 2: And I just thought that was interesting. Yeah, it hit

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Speaker 2: me when I was talking to him. We started talking

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Speaker 2: about all four of those guys. I'm like, those guys

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Speaker 2: were all.

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Speaker 3: Homegrown, all homegrown. Interesting.

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Speaker 2: So anyways, let's get to a break. That's going to

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Speaker 2: do it for our number one of the drive here

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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be

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Speaker 2: back with our number two right after this