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Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 2: for everybody today, extra amazing.

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Speaker 3: Crystal is back. What do we have to do?

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's nice to be back in the chair.

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Speaker 1: Although I watched You and Ryan show yesterday fantastic as always.

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Speaker 1: So lot to get to you this morning. So we've

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Speaker 1: got the very latest on Israel's likely response to those

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Speaker 1: have a little update for you on which politicians stand

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Speaker 1: to make the most money off of said war. Trump

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Speaker 1: was in court yesterday, is the first day of his

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Speaker 1: that down for you. Some interesting note from him, apparently

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Speaker 1: guy's talk about that. At the same time, truth social

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Speaker 1: stock prices continue to plummet. There's an interesting report of

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Speaker 1: We've got some major updates in Israel as settlers went

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Speaker 4: Will update you on that.

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Speaker 1: We also have a number of Gosens who are trying

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Speaker 1: That could be actually quite consequential. We have a criminal

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore. Very important updates there. And we've got a

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Speaker 1: little Ryan Grim's scoop for you. He was able to

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Speaker 1: get his hands along with Jeremy Skahill on the New

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Speaker 1: York Times internal memo giving their writers guidance on how

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Speaker 1: But before we get to any of that, Sager, well,

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 2: You maybe may be able to see something right over here.

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Speaker 4: Real there it is gold plat.

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Speaker 3: It only took what ten months to get it? Not

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Speaker 3: really sure. Apparently it's the shortage.

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Speaker 4: In the factory allegedly, Oh is that what happened?

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Speaker 3: Who knows?

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Speaker 2: Okay, took a lot of emails, took some tweets, took

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Speaker 2: some badgering, but the YouTube plaque is here. It feels

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Speaker 4: About two and fifty thousand subscribers.

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Speaker 2: Roughly round one point twenty five million subscribers currently quarter

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Speaker 3: But hey, we'll take it. We're glad it's here.

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Speaker 1: Who knew supply chain snaffoos would even hit the gold

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's what they said was happening. I'm I'm still

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Speaker 2: I know people who have hit one million and they

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Speaker 2: So thank you YouTube for finally getting into us. All right,

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Speaker 2: why don't we go ahead and start with Iran as

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Speaker 3: Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 4: Is the administration presenting alternatives to NYA.

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Speaker 5: This is an Israeli decision to make whether and how

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Speaker 3: With them their decision to make. But are you making suggestions?

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Speaker 5: We are not involved in their decision making process about

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Speaker 2: So it's up to the Israeli government for what some

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Speaker 2: now has completely changed it's tune. First it was take

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Speaker 2: there were some deliberations. Both two members, Benny Gantz and

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Speaker 3: But you know, we shouldn't forget crystal.

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Speaker 2: It did take the Iranians about a week to retaliate

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to pause, since it's my first

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Speaker 1: I mean, that has long been over. You can see

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Speaker 1: And so once again that's the message that we hear

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Speaker 4: In the Middle East. It's complete insanity.

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Speaker 1: And for what So that BB can continue, his genocide,

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Speaker 1: when you know you've got a democratic president who supposedly

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Speaker 1: I mean, even think about some of the things we

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Speaker 1: pretending like we don't understand that if this war just end,

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Speaker 1: if we actually had a cease fire, all of that

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Speaker 1: I think that's perfectly emblematic of how absurd, dangerous, and

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. There was no reason that we

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Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: The Israelis are reporting from their own domestic media that

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Speaker 2: The response will then be designed to make plain that

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Speaker 3: In recent days.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is basically about who is establishing mutual deterrence

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Speaker 2: because the Israelis, let's not forget, began this entire episode

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Speaker 2: So then the question is now, what are the Israelis

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Speaker 2: going to do? The Iranians said, we consider this matter closed.

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Speaker 2: We have established our deterrence. We have showed the world

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Speaker 2: our territory directly onto Israel. The Israelis say, well, we've

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Speaker 2: had a ninety nine percent shootdown rate. We'll get to

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Speaker 2: the US military actually did. But now the response appears

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Speaker 2: bear no attack upon the Iranians, to establish the deterrence

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Speaker 2: Israel in English. Keep in mind, which is directly calibrated

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Speaker 2: for all of us about what their response is going

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Speaker 3: Let's take a.

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Speaker 6: Listen assessing the situation. We remain at our highest level

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Speaker 6: of readiness. Iran will face the consequences for its actions.

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Speaker 6: We will choose our response Accordingly, the idea remains ready

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Speaker 2: So did everybody pay very close attention to what was

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you give seventy two hours

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but their response is just like, listen,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of those where the Ayatola himself,

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Speaker 3: Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 1: Is it bad judgment or good judgment to hit Iranian

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Speaker 8: Well, I would argue there is a massive degree of

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Speaker 7: That is a degree of difference.

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Speaker 8: And I think a reckless and dangerous thing for Iran

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Speaker 4: What would Britain do, the hostile nation flatten one of

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Speaker 7: Well, we would take you know, we would take the

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Speaker 4: And Iran would say that that's what they did.

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Speaker 7: Well, what they did, as I said, was a massive attack, so.

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Speaker 4: They were a right to respond, but they overreacted.

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Speaker 8: Is what I'm saying is that the attack, the attack

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Speaker 4: Except to respond.

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Speaker 8: What countries have a right to respond when they feel

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Speaker 2: Well, we would have a massive response. I agree, And look,

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Speaker 3: That's what drives me the craziest about all.

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Speaker 4: To hit an embassy? Of course?

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Speaker 2: If you kill CIA officer in US embassy, We're going

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Speaker 4: It's entirely predictable.

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Speaker 1: one of our top military leaders with no response. We're

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Speaker 1: lucky that the response was that limited. But it just

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Speaker 1: the two things that drove me so insane watching this

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Speaker 1: all unfold is Number one, the Israeli's immediately playing the victims,

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Speaker 1: Oh how dare you? And so much of the American

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Speaker 1: political class and media class going right along with this, pretending,

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Speaker 1: like you said, Saga, that it was quote unquote unprovoked.

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Speaker 4: Polease get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Another thing that has driven me insane is you know

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Speaker 1: you saw you now the attacks on embassies like it's

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Speaker 1: open season that is over, because what could the US

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Speaker 1: ever say about it?

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Speaker 4: Again?

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Speaker 1: When you didn't condemn Israel when they attacked the Iranian

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Speaker 1: embassy in Syria.

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Speaker 4: That's over it.

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing that I mentioned to you

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Speaker 1: that made me completely insane is Israel immediately, Oh, we need,

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Speaker 1: we need a meeting of the UN Security Council. Well,

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Speaker 1: you don't care about the UN when they're condemning you,

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Speaker 1: when they're demanding a ceasefire or a ceasefire resolution gets

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Speaker 1: passed through the UN Security Council, you don't have.

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Speaker 4: Anything to say about that.

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Speaker 1: But now Sun, oh we need the UN Security Council.

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Speaker 1: What about a resolution against you for hitting the embassy?

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Speaker 4: How about that? Would you listen to that? Of course not.

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Speaker 1: So just so much of this drove me absolutely bonkers

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Speaker 1: and is so typical of the incredibly one sided way

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Speaker 1: that we view anything through the media and political class

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Israel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's it's just it is so perfect.

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Speaker 2: And let's put this final piece up report from Ken Klippenstein,

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Speaker 2: and it just confirms every suspicion that I had in

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Speaker 2: the immediate afternoon because the Israelis and the IDF kept

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Speaker 2: bragging about a ninety nine percent interception rate and if

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Speaker 2: people want to you can go back and roll the tape,

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Speaker 2: and I said, I would love to know how much

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Speaker 2: that the US shot down and the IDF did, because

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Speaker 2: I was willing to bet that it was America and

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Speaker 2: not them that shot down most of those drones and missiles.

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Speaker 2: And lo and behold the intercept here now reporting the US,

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Speaker 2: not Israel's shot down most Iranian drones and missiles. American

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Speaker 2: forces did most of the heavy lifting, and responding to

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Speaker 2: Iran's retaliation for the attack, the United States shotdown more

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Speaker 2: of the missiles and drones, and Israel did. More than

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Speaker 2: half of the weapons were destroyed by US aircraft and

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Speaker 2: missiles before they ever reached Israel. In fact, commanding a

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Speaker 2: multinational air defense operation and scrambling American fighter jets. This

488
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Speaker 2: was a US military triumph. The extent of that military

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Speaker 2: operation is currently unbeknownst to the American public.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want to know why?

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Speaker 2: Because Sentcom, the US military, and the Pentagon refused to

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Speaker 2: release the number of missiles that they and drones that

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Speaker 2: they shot down. They have only released the names and

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Speaker 2: the units and the type of aircraft and the missile

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Speaker 2: guided missile destroyers that are the ones that actually engage

496
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Speaker 2: and this just gives away the whole plot, which and

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Speaker 2: this is part of the issue. Some response Crystal that

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Speaker 2: I got from saying that the US military should which

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Speaker 2: by the way, was one of the biggest freak outs

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Speaker 2: that I've invited in quite a long time. I said,

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Speaker 2: modest proposal, the US military should defend America and not

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Speaker 2: foreign nations that want to drag US into a war.

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Speaker 2: And people were like, you don't understand. By US defending Israel,

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Speaker 2: we prevented a larger war. But here's the thing. The

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Speaker 2: Israelis would not feel so emboldened to blow up the

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Speaker 2: Iranian embassy if they knew that they would also have

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Speaker 2: to defend their own territory. This is part of the thing.

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Speaker 2: They socialize the risk to all of us, and we're

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Speaker 2: the ones, God bless us who have the military capability

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Speaker 2: to shoot down said missiles if we want to. By

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Speaker 2: actually putting this blanket security onto Israel and saying you

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Speaker 2: guys can do whatever we want and we were still

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Speaker 2: going to defend you, we actually embolden this situation. So

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Speaker 2: if we had created a situation where they were going

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Speaker 2: to bear the ultimate risk of the behavior that they

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Speaker 2: carry out, they would be a lot more cautious. But

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Speaker 2: they don't feel cautious because they don't have to be.

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Speaker 2: And this is the exact proof that we doe.

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Speaker 4: You're one hundred percent correct.

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Speaker 1: If they knew they were on their own, truly on

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Speaker 1: their own, they's no way they would have taken that action.

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Speaker 1: And you can actually see it now in the nervousness

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Speaker 1: around a larger scale response, because there were at least

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Speaker 1: some indications from the Biden administration that hey, you are

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Speaker 1: on your own for this if you take this further.

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Speaker 1: So I think to the extent that there's any sort

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Speaker 1: of hesitation on BB's part, it's from a lack of

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Speaker 1: confidence that the US will fully be behind them if

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Speaker 1: they proceed any further.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, and it's not just with regard to their defense.

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Speaker 1: It's obviously at every turn whenever BB has crossed a line,

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Speaker 1: there might be a little bit of tut tutting, there

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Speaker 1: might be a little bit of leaks to you a

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Speaker 1: favored reporter, but there isn't actually any sort of consequences.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's attacking hospitals, whether it's attacking refugee camps, whether

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Speaker 1: it's mass slaughter ofvillions, two thousand pound bombs dropped, killing

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Speaker 1: aid workers.

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Speaker 4: None of it is really met with.

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Speaker 1: Any sort of actual consequence, actual policy change. We got

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Speaker 1: a little rhetoric take change every now and again, but

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Speaker 1: in terms of actual policy changed nothing. So why would

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Speaker 1: he think that this was going to be any different.

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Speaker 1: Hey knows that Biden will just go wherever maybe leads

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Speaker 1: him along to and so that's how you end up

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Speaker 1: with this completely insane and outrageous situation and incredibly dangerous situation.

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Speaker 1: It's because Biden has allowed this scenario to unfold, and

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Speaker 1: it was incredibly predictable. I mean from how we've been

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Speaker 1: talking since day one about the possibility of the spiraling

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Speaker 1: into a wider war, this was always an incredibly dangerous

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Speaker 1: and fraud situation. This was always a very real possibility

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Speaker 1: on the table. The Biden administrations people, by the way,

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Speaker 1: knew it too. It's not like they were unaware that

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Speaker 1: this was a possible outcome. They just didn't do anything

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Speaker 1: in order to forestall it and in fact enable exactly

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Speaker 1: this dangerous scenario.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely right, and it's a dangerous moment.

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Speaker 3: I actually went back and checked.

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Speaker 2: I had a tweet, and we did multiple segments about

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Speaker 2: wider war on October twenty third of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: So don't let anybody say that it is not possible

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Speaker 2: to have predicted all of us. It was eminently predictable.

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Speaker 2: It may not happen as quickly. People seem to think

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Speaker 2: that international relations and all this just happens like day

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Speaker 2: after day after day. But when you go back and

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Speaker 2: read history, you can see it takes a month, some

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Speaker 2: times two months and all this to happen. But we

567
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Speaker 2: can go back and see very clearly this led to this,

568
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Speaker 2: led to this, led to this. In the moment, we

569
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Speaker 2: have too much of a recency bias. This was inevitable.

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Speaker 2: It's only been six months now that we're in this conflict,

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Speaker 2: and already we're in a totally different scenario. Imagine where

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Speaker 2: if this keeps going, imagine we're going to be a

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Speaker 2: year from now. It could be a total nightmare. Why

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Speaker 2: is there so much war fever here in Washington. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Something a little pretty interesting here from our friend over

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Speaker 2: at Unusual Whales. Here's every US politician who's stock portfolio

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Speaker 2: will benefit from a conflict in the Middle East between

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Speaker 2: Iran and Israel. I've aggregated a list of their stocks, Raytheon,

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Speaker 2: Lockheed Martin and more. Many are making millions, and as

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Speaker 2: you can see, there's quite a bit of red and

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Speaker 2: blue that is on there. You've got Kevin Hearn, Mark Green,

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Speaker 2: Tommy Tuberville, Nancy Pelosi, Michael McCall, Marla Salazar, Alan Lowenthal, Lowis, FRANKL.

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Speaker 2: Patrick Fallon, Diana Harshirshberger, Mike Kelly, Carol Miller, Dwight Evans.

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Speaker 3: That's just in the top ten.

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Speaker 2: So you can go through and read the entire report

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Speaker 2: that he's put together. But what he gets at is

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Speaker 2: that it's not only the politicians that we're going to

589
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: be making a ton of money based on this. It's

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Speaker 2: that the defense companies here in the US are salivating

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Speaker 2: over a broader conflict. Put this up there, please on

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Speaker 2: the screen, because this is the perfect evidence that you need.

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Speaker 2: Lockheed Martin stock was actually upgraded and rated as a

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Speaker 2: buy by Major Wall Street. How is over the missile

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Speaker 2: heavy weekend in Israel. They say Lockheed Martin has climbed

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Speaker 2: early Monday, receiving an upgrade from JP Morgan. Meanwhile, defense

597
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Speaker 2: stocks are all rising after US, British and Israeli defense

598
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Speaker 2: forces on Saturday knock down a barrage of missiles and

599
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Speaker 2: drones launched by Iran against Israel. The upgrade of the

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Speaker 2: stock to overweight from neutral and park hiked its price

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Speaker 2: target to five hundred and eighteen dollars from the current

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Speaker 2: four hundred and seventy five dollars price hike. On top

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Speaker 2: of that, the defense industry is currently receiving the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four budget where they are scheduled to get even

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Speaker 2: more of an increase from the US government, not to

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Speaker 2: mention Crystal. Literally, as you and I speak here in Washington,

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Speaker 2: there is an effort to try and pass foreign aid

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Speaker 2: and get the Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan bill through the

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Speaker 2: House of Representatives, which would be another one hundred billion dollars,

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Speaker 2: the vast majority of that coming right back here to

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Speaker 2: US defense companies. Yep.

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Speaker 1: And think of the quote unquote choices we have in

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Speaker 1: our democracy. You know, Trump or Biden, they're both for

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Speaker 1: this same disgusting, depraved system. They're both for continuing to

615
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Speaker 1: fuel this. I mean, I think it's disgusting that people

616
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Speaker 1: become wildly wealthy off of war. And you wonder why,

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Speaker 1: why are we constantly involved in multiple wars at the

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Speaker 1: same time, and you'd be hard pressed to find a

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Speaker 1: better answer than this right in front of our face.

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Speaker 1: There is a lot of money to be made off

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Speaker 1: of these conflicts. There is a lot of money to

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Speaker 1: be made off of death and destruction. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I actually I got to interview Medea Benjamin Code Pink,

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Speaker 1: you know, legendary anti war activists going all the way

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Speaker 1: back to Vietnam War, but really coming in to prominence

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Speaker 1: founding Code Pink during the.

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Speaker 4: Iraq War days.

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Speaker 1: And we asked her, what is the thing like if

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Speaker 1: you had to point to what is the root of

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Speaker 1: the reason why we are constantly getting involved in and

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Speaker 1: starting and stoking and escalating these wars.

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Speaker 4: And she had a one word answer is money. It's money.

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Speaker 1: It's really what it comes back to and why this

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Speaker 1: thing continues to turn and why we continue to face

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Speaker 1: these situations. So, you know, you've got the congress members

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Speaker 1: who are this should be completely illegal, who stand to

637
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Speaker 1: benefit from defense stocks spiking as they are right now,

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Speaker 1: You've got the fact that you know, you've got military

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Speaker 1: industrial complex facilities and bases in congressional districts around the country.

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Speaker 1: So you have a direct tie in in all of

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Speaker 1: these congressional districts across the country. You have the donor

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Speaker 1: class that makes millions of dollars every time we get

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Speaker 1: involved in one of these wars. And then you wonder

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Speaker 1: when you go to the ballot box, why is my

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Speaker 1: choice between two candidates effectively who have basically the same

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Speaker 1: views when it comes to keeping us involved in these conflicts.

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Speaker 4: This is really what it all comes back to.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely well said.

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Speaker 2: And let's put that final thing up there from CNBC,

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Speaker 2: the JP Morton upgrade, which is it's just funny the

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Speaker 2: way that they say.

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Speaker 3: They say upgrading.

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Speaker 2: Lockie Martin say it is an under owned defense stock

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Speaker 2: and may find a bid in this dangerous world.

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Speaker 4: I know that's like a I guess a Wall Street

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Speaker 4: text is, but what the hell does that mean?

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Speaker 2: I mean under owned as it's probably not enough parts

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Speaker 2: of managed portfolios. I don't speak enough Wall Street ease

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Speaker 2: in order to translate, but all we could say is

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Speaker 2: that the people on Wall Street their job is to

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Speaker 2: make money, and they know how to make money.

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Speaker 3: They're really good at it.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I just saw a report from the Goldman

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Speaker 2: Snacks that there were up some twenty seven percent, driven

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Speaker 2: entirely by investment banking profits from just the last quarter.

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Speaker 2: So don't underestimate these people's ability to sniff out a dollar.

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Speaker 2: And what they see very clearly here is that the

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Speaker 2: quote unquote trend of where things are going is all

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Speaker 2: towards funding this conflict, the Ukraine situation. Let's not forget

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Speaker 2: the main case that they make right now, the neocons.

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Speaker 2: They realize none of you actually want to continue to

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Speaker 2: fund Ukraine's failed war and to continue to send people

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Speaker 2: into the gauntlet and be killed for no reason. So

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Speaker 2: their new argument is actually good for the US economy

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Speaker 2: because all this money is just going back to US

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Speaker 2: defense companies.

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Speaker 3: And let's just say this.

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Speaker 2: Here's the other thing too, and part of the reason

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Speaker 2: why we need to ban stock ownership really by members

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Speaker 2: of Congress.

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Speaker 3: We just need to have confidence.

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Speaker 2: It's like, if you're so crazy that you believe that ideologically,

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Speaker 2: I need to know one hundred percent that you're not

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Speaker 2: being motivated by the multimillions of dollars that you have

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Speaker 2: in your portfolio to benefit from a situation like this.

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Speaker 2: Because all the names that I listed there, including Michael

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Speaker 2: McCall and others, these people are worth two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty million dollars. And that's the chairman of the Homeland

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Speaker 2: Security Committee, right. He's one of the chief proponents of

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Speaker 2: Ukraine AID. You literally have a financial stake here. Maybe

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Speaker 2: you believe what you believe that in fact it's very possible,

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Speaker 2: but you have to give confidence to the American people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the other question is like, what you

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Speaker 1: know that we don't know that you get to benefit

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Speaker 1: off of when you're trading stock.

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Speaker 4: It is a truly sick and a brave system that

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Speaker 4: we have.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just the bottom line of these people

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Speaker 1: who are war profiteers and the way this has become

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Speaker 1: completely normalized around our society and especially here in Washington.

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Speaker 1: You know whose stockholdings are not doing so well?

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Speaker 7: Though?

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Speaker 4: Right now?

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Speaker 3: Who is Donald Trump?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's right, we're here.

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Speaker 4: Talking about that in a minute.

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Speaker 1: But first let's start with he was in court yesterday.

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Speaker 1: So the first of his criminal trials to actually begin

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Speaker 1: is the quote unquote hush money one having to do

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Speaker 1: with paymous sister Mey Daniels to try to keep quiet

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Speaker 1: an affair that he allegedly had with her previously. Remember

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Speaker 1: the Catch and Kill National inquirer all of this stuff

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Speaker 1: from the past. That's what this one has to do with.

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Speaker 1: He was in court yesterday. After the session, he came

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Speaker 1: out and had some things to say about how this

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Speaker 1: all went down.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 9: We had some amazing things happened today.

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Speaker 10: As you know, my son has graduated from high school level.

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Speaker 10: Looks like the judgment not that he goes through the

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Speaker 10: graduation of my senders worked very very hard. He's Grace Goods,

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Speaker 10: so proud of the fact that he did so well.

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Speaker 10: And I was looking forward for years to have his

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Speaker 10: graduation with his mother and father there. And it looks

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Speaker 10: like the judges aren't.

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Speaker 9: Going to allow beings to escape the scam.

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Speaker 7: It's a scam trial.

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Speaker 9: In addition, as you know, next Thursday were before the

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Speaker 9: United States Supreme Court and our big hearing on immunity,

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Speaker 9: and this is something that we've been waiting for a

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Speaker 9: long time.

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Speaker 10: And the judge, of course, is not going.

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Speaker 3: To allow us.

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Speaker 9: He's a very conflicted judge and he's not going to

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Speaker 9: allow us to go to that.

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Speaker 10: He won't allow me to leave here for half a day,

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Speaker 10: go to EC and go before in the United States

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Speaker 10: Supreme Court because he thinks he's superior. I guess they

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Speaker 10: the Supreme Court. So I just want to thank you

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Speaker 10: very much. But that I can't go to my son's graduation,

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Speaker 10: or that I can't go.

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Speaker 9: To the United States Supreme Court, that I'm not in

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Speaker 9: Georgia or Florida or North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: Campaigning like I should be.

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Speaker 9: It's for the radical level of exactly what they want.

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Speaker 10: This is about election interference as well.

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Speaker 1: It's about behind so, as with many Trump statements, not

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Speaker 1: entirely true, but it does contain a grain of truth.

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Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So he specifically with regards to Baron's graduation, the judge said,

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Speaker 1: we'll see.

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Speaker 4: Was not ruled out.

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Speaker 1: However, he is supposed to be in the courtroom every day,

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Speaker 1: four days a week for the duration of the criminal trial.

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Speaker 1: The judge said, if you don't show up, there will

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Speaker 1: be an arrest. This trial, you know, slated to last

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Speaker 1: somewhere around eight weeks. Obviously, campaign season is heating up.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is surprisingly actually going out and doing some

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Speaker 1: rallies and campaigning to try to show a contrast with

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Speaker 1: a week in Pennsylvania and speaking to voters while Trump is,

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Speaker 1: you know, trapped in a courtroom litigating all of these things.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're in the phase of the tread is

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Speaker 1: obviously the very early phases where you're dealing with jury

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Speaker 1: selection and some sort of like pre trial decisions about

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Speaker 1: what type of evidence is going to be allowed. So,

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Speaker 1: for example, they're going to allow in information about the

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Speaker 1: access Hollywood tape, but my understanding is they're not going

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Speaker 1: to actually be able to play the tape. So those

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Speaker 1: are the sorts of things that are being decided. With

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Speaker 1: regard to the jurors, there are apparently dozens of them,

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Speaker 1: basically half of the first jury pool that were like,

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Speaker 1: I can't be impartial in this case, Like what are

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Speaker 1: you talking about here? I already have very strong feelings

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Speaker 1: about this man and the things that he's done, which,

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Speaker 1: you know, who can blame them. The idea of being

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Speaker 1: able to find a jury pool that doesn't have some

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Speaker 1: sort of preconceived notions about Trump very difficult.

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Speaker 4: But I will say, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, the jury of our peers has done a good

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Speaker 1: job of trying to put their own biases aside and

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Speaker 1: evaluate the evidence in front of them. But the details

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Speaker 1: here from Axios, they said over two dozen of the

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Speaker 1: jurors who said they can't be impartial in the case

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Speaker 1: were white women, one Hispanic woman. For women of vas descent,

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Speaker 1: fourteen were white men, one man of Asian descent. Six

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Speaker 1: other jurors were of unknown gender and racial descent. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: that gives you a sense of some of the machinations

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Speaker 1: that are going on right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I do think it is absolutely nuts

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Speaker 2: that he is going to be arrested if he's not

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Speaker 2: allowed in the courtroom, because that is I mean, as

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Speaker 2: a campaign blow that is huge, gigantic, and it's just

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Speaker 2: this is the most political of all of the trials

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, just because it's such a dumb criminal charge.

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Speaker 2: It's an extraordinary interpretation of the law. It's still open

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Speaker 2: question of whether you'll stand if there is some sort

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Speaker 2: of a conviction. In terms of the politics and all that,

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Speaker 2: it is the least relevant, I think, to any of

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Speaker 2: the things that people are concerned about Trump, and then

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Speaker 2: it is going to keep him off of a campaign trail.

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Speaker 2: You know, as I was reading Crystal, they didn't even

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Speaker 2: choose any jury people yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Not one juror I selected.

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Speaker 2: I don't know a lot about juries and how all

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Speaker 2: this stuff works. But given how the amount of what,

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Speaker 2: there's all this bickering over what can be introduced and

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Speaker 2: what can't be introduced, that he has to be present

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Speaker 2: for all of that. I'm not, again, not an expert

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Speaker 2: on New York criminal law. I had seen that they're

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Speaker 2: often they don't necessarily have to be present for at

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Speaker 2: least all of it or some of it or whatever.

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Speaker 3: It's as you said, it's completely up to the judge.

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Speaker 2: But I do think, just politically, I think it looks

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Speaker 2: absolutely terrible to keep him chained into a courtroom for

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Speaker 2: four to five days a week whenever his opponent is

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Speaker 2: out there actively campaigning. I mean right now today he's

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Speaker 2: headed to Pennsylvania's really going to be there all week

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Speaker 2: is and be holding rallies. Trump just got off the

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Speaker 2: campaign trail as well, so it isn't a huge blow

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Speaker 2: to him. A question two is that's the other thing

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Speaker 2: I wanted to comment on about half the jury pool

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Speaker 2: so they couldn't be impartial.

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Speaker 3: The other half are just lying because can you possibly

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be able to be impartially good. I've met

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Speaker 3: the man before. I'd be like, look, I have my

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Speaker 3: own personal bias.

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Speaker 2: It's different if you're coming up on somebody that you

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Speaker 2: know nothing about, and you could probably know weigh evidence

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Speaker 2: and all of that. But how can you possibly go

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Speaker 2: into this and say I could be completely impartial when.

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Speaker 3: Judging this either pro or agance. I don't think it's possible.

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Speaker 1: With the fink your best bet would be to find

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Speaker 1: jurors who hate both Biden and Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, that would be your That's a good point.

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Speaker 4: That would be your best bet.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I think people are capable to some extent,

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Speaker 1: putting aside their political preferences to look at just the

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Speaker 1: facts of this particular case. But you know, putting that

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Speaker 1: aside and the challenges of fighting an impartial jury. There

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Speaker 1: was another thing that caught a lot of people's attention,

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Speaker 1: given especially all the conversation about Joe Biden, his age,

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Speaker 1: and his sinility, which I think is all very much

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Speaker 1: quite merited and warranted. Apparently Trump was having trouble staying

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Speaker 1: awake during some of the proceedings yesterday. Let's take a

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Speaker 1: listen to Maggie Haberman commenting on that.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I have to ask you, guys, have been at

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Speaker 11: the times, have been live blogging this event, and forty

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Speaker 11: minutes ago you wrote an observation that I was very

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Speaker 11: surprised Trump appears to be sleeping. His head keeps dropping

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Speaker 11: down and his mouth goes slack.

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Speaker 7: Tell us about that.

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Speaker 4: Well, Jakie appeared to be asleep.

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Speaker 12: Then you know he redeevidly.

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Speaker 5: His head would would fall down.

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Speaker 12: There of another moments in other trials, like the eg

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Speaker 12: Harrell trial, which was.

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Speaker 3: Around the corner in January.

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Speaker 12: Where he appeared very still and it seemed as if

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Speaker 12: he might be sleeping. But then then he would move

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Speaker 12: this time and give me pay attention to a note that.

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Speaker 3: His lawyer Todd glance past him.

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Speaker 12: His jaw kept falling on his chest and his mouth

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Speaker 12: kept going slack. Now, you know, sometimes people do fall

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Speaker 12: asleep during court proceedings, but it's notable given the intensity

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Speaker 12: of this morning and a lot of what was being markeding.

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Speaker 11: Knowing, yeah, that's rather surprising, I mean fell asleep.

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Speaker 4: Of course.

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Speaker 1: You can imagine what they would make of this if

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Speaker 1: it was If it was Biden, I will say, listen,

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 3: I don't even blame him. I probably fall asleep too.

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Speaker 3: I'd be bored.

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Speaker 4: Maybe, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I feel like if I was in a criminal trial,

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Speaker 1: I'd feel pretty amped up about that. You know, I'd

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Speaker 1: probably be wanting to pay pretty close attention to what

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Speaker 1: was going on, even though I was notorious in like

880
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Speaker 1: back in school days, I couldn't stay awake, especially if

881
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: they like put up a projector when I.

882
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: Was over, So I can relate you're done.

883
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 4: In one sense.

884
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: On the on the other hand, like it was pretty

885
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: extraordinary first day of your criminal trial, and you're there

886
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: like dozen off, can't keep it together. So we'll probably

887
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: see more of that. Apparently at other times he was

888
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: very animated in terms of his facial expressions, as Trump

889
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: certainly can be. Maggie Haberman and some of for other

890
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: colleagues at the New York Times, she, of course very

891
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: well sourced, had a report on the way that he

892
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: hopes to spin this trial. Let's put this up on

893
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: the screen, so the headline here in the twenty twenty

894
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 1: four race, Trump's trial is about to take center stage.

895
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: The race for president will shift much of its focus

896
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: to a Manhattan courtroom. This looks like no other presidential

897
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: campaign in the history of the country. When Republican Folster

898
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: said that is undeniably true, and basically he is telling

899
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: his advisors that he wants as much media coverage as

900
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: he can possibly get centered around his court appearances. You know,

901
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: you see him speaking to the cameras afterwards. I'm sure

902
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: we're going to get much more of that. He wants

903
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: his supporters defending him on TV. He wants all of

904
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: his the like you know, pro Trump media ecosystem, many

905
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: of them have actually gone to Manhattan to be part

906
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: of this whole scene. He is really counting on all

907
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: of that and hoping that independents have a similar reaction

908
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: to his legal trouble as his own base has. I mean,

909
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: it's undeniable that his legal problems at the very least

910
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: didn't hurt him with a Republican base, and I think

911
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: pretty clearly helped him with a Republican base. As we

912
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: predicted Zager, that would help him sort of coalesce support,

913
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: get everyone lockstep around him. Any idea of hey, maybe

914
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm flirting with Ron DeSantis, maybe I'm flirting with Nikki

915
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: Haley or whoever else that was sort of quashed and

916
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 1: it was all right, we got to be with our guy.

917
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 4: I think it's much.

918
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: Less likely that the rest of the electorate is going

919
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: to have the same response. And even with regard to

920
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: this case, I completely understand, and we've talked about this before,

921
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: that it is the least serious of the charges. You know,

922
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: a lot of polling suggests that Americans find this to

923
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: be the least consequential of the charges. But it's not

924
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: like it's not without its own tawdry details. And the

925
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: danger for Trump is that some of this stuff has

926
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: faded from memory. And you made a comment Saga about

927
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: how this isn't part of the core of like what

928
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: people don't like about Trump. I'm not sure I agree

929
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: with that, because part of the negative Trump factor is

930
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: like the chaos, the insanity, right, this.

931
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 4: Sort of I mean, this is the details here grows.

932
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: He had an affair with a porn star, and then

933
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: he tried to hide it not only from his wife

934
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: but from the entire country.

935
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 4: You know, use these payments.

936
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: And manipulated, like lied about what the payments were for

937
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: to get the story killed before election day. It's not

938
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: like that's a nothing story in the context of all

939
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: the other stuff that he did. It's a nothing story.

940
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: But in the grand scheme of like political scandals, it

941
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: is actually pretty significant. And at the time when voters

942
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: were first learning about it, they actually found it to

943
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: be quite significant. So the danger for him is that

944
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: people are reminded like, oh, yeah, this actually was really gross,

945
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: and this actually is one of the reasons why I

946
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: don't really like this man, and I don't think he

947
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: should be in the Oval office.

948
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: Again, Look, it's possible. The only reason I say it

949
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 2: is I think it's just so baked in with Trump.

950
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: It's like when people were going after them, like he

951
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: didn't pay his taxes. I'm like, you're telling me a

952
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 2: man who filed for bankruptcy and was notorious for stiffing

953
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: his contractors didn't pay his taxes.

954
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm shocked.

955
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: You're telling me the person who has created a tabloid

956
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: sex star image of himself had an affair with.

957
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 3: A porn star. Who would have guessed it.

958
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: It's not like he flaunted it all over television and

959
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: wrote it to fame. At a certain point, I just

960
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: think it's baked into his image. I don't think people

961
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: particularly care. Again, I could be wrong at this point, though.

962
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: I mean, look, we do have some electoral evidence. Let's

963
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: not just think about polls. Let's think about the elections

964
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: at the height of the Stormy daniels maniay, eighteen, twenty nineteen,

965
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: that's when Republican Party identification was sky high, right before COVID,

966
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: When though, did with Trump really suffer eighteen really around

967
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: the issue of healthcare? In twenty twenty he suffers because

968
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: of COVID, And in twenty twenty two he suffers from

969
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 2: Stop the Steal and general chaos. So I think abortion,

970
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: stop the Steal, and twenty eighteen we're talking about healthcare

971
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: and the tax cuts, some Jobs Act. In general, those

972
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 2: four have an electoral track record of being pretty successful

973
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: in terms of mounting attack on Trump. This one, I

974
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: don't see electoral evidence that it particularly matters.

975
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 4: I think that's fair.

976
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen from the Washington

977
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: Post just to give you a sense of what I

978
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: was just referring to, Like when this first was breaking,

979
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: you can see kind of like a little bit below

980
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: halfway down this list. December twenty eighteen, hush Money. They asked, Okay,

981
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: what do you think about this? Do you think what

982
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: he did is illegal? Do you think it's not illegal

983
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: but unethical, or do you think that there's nothing wrong

984
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: with it? And actually of all of these various Trump scandals, from.

985
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 13: Russiagate to the tax issue that you just referred to,

986
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 13: to the Ukraine perfect phone call, to the twenty twenty

987
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 13: election efforts, and the marl Lago docs, this was the

988
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 13: one where the smallest percentage of people actually said there

989
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 13: was nothing.

990
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: Wrong here, because in a certain sense, the facts of

991
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: it are very difficult to actually outright defend. Like with

992
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: Russia Gate, there was clearly a defense there. You know,

993
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: even with the election efforts, he has spun some sort

994
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: of a defense to make it kind of ambiga. No,

995
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: I'm just exercising my free speech. With the documents, he's

996
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: made these claims about you know, presidential immunity, et cetera,

997
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: et cetera, so you actually have a little bit more

998
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: ground to stand on, whereas with this people may not

999
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: find it as serious as those allegations. But it's kind

1000
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: of hard to just defend on the merits like paying

1001
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: off this gross publication and paying off this porn star

1002
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: to hide this affair that had happened. So that's why

1003
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm not totally convinced. I also just think there is

1004
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: something to the normally reaction of seeing someone in a

1005
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: courtroom on trial.

1006
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 4: You know, we heard it from our.

1007
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: Own focus group respondence in the Republican focus group when

1008
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: they were asked, Okay, if he is actually indicted of anything,

1009
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: if he's actually found guilty of any of these things

1010
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: that he's been indicted for, you're.

1011
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 4: Still with him, And they're like, m I just can't.

1012
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 4: I just can't.

1013
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: So I don't think that this situation is without risk

1014
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: for him, and I certainly don't buy his analysis that

1015
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: he can actually turn this to his benefit.

1016
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 4: I just don't see.

1017
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 7: No.

1018
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: Listen, I've been wrong about many things in the past,

1019
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: and he's an extraordinary political actor and gets away with

1020
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: things and pulls things off and turns things to his

1021
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 1: advantage that no other politician really could. But I think

1022
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: having to spend eight weeks in a Manhattan courtroom talking

1023
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: about cover ups and porn stars and extramarital affairs and

1024
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: what's being billed as election interference from back twenty sixteen,

1025
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: it's not a good set of.

1026
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 4: Facts for him.

1027
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's good, and I think it

1028
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 2: will It could be.

1029
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 3: This is the thing with Trump that could be.

1030
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: Several compounding courtrooms, all of this that stacks up and

1031
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: it creates an image of somebody who is, you know,

1032
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: against the law. The normy reaction of seeing him convicted

1033
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: very very possible. Also, just not forget this. It's death

1034
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: by a thousand cuts to a certain extent. We've got

1035
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: all the money that he's going to spend on his

1036
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: legal bills, he's got all of his attention.

1037
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 3: Now he's off of the campaign trail.

1038
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: You know, he can never really argue the counterfactual of

1039
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: what it would look like if he wasn't burdened by

1040
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: all of these things. And it's just the first of several.

1041
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it won't hurt him at all. I'm

1042
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 2: saying this particular one in the bigger one, I don't

1043
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: think it will be as consequential nearly as let's say,

1044
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 2: the January sixth trial.

1045
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: But here's the thing.

1046
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: Who knows if those are ever actually coming to trial.

1047
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 2: That's the best part.

1048
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 8: Well.

1049
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: The other thing that I would say politically is, you know,

1050
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: the Biden people, which you can tell from the fact

1051
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: that he's not laying out an affirmative agenda for anything,

1052
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: they really want this to be a rougherendum on Trump

1053
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: and Trump chaos, on Trump extremism, on abortion, on what Trump,

1054
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: what America would look like under a second Trump term,

1055
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: and so the more that Trump is the center of

1056
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: news and in a very unflattering light and reminding people

1057
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: of some of the things they really didn't like about

1058
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: him last time around, where you know, since he's been

1059
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: kicked off of Twitter, he's been a little bit in

1060
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: the background, some of those memories have faded, some of

1061
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: his term is being.

1062
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 4: Viewed through a bit of rose colored glasses.

1063
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: It definitely benefits the Biden camp to have this be

1064
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: the center of news and it be about, you know,

1065
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and his various travails. So I think for

1066
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 1: them they have to feel like, you know, this pushes

1067
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: the campaign in the direction that they ultimately wanted to go.

1068
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: How much of an impact it will have when weighed against,

1069
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, the very serious issues.

1070
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 4: Joe Biden has as well in terms.

1071
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: Of the polls, I think is another question altogether. All right,

1072
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and take a look at how Trump

1073
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: is performing financially. At this point, we had another put

1074
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 1: this up on the screen, huge collapse in terms of truth.

1075
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: Social Trump Media is the official name of the company,

1076
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: closed down more than eighteen percent. This has been attributed

1077
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: to the company apparently filed an official document they want

1078
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: to issue millions of additional shares of stock. This appears

1079
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: to appears to have spooked investors who worry that, you know,

1080
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: flooding the zone with a bunch of new stock issuances,

1081
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: then that is going to cause a further collapse in

1082
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: the price. So this has been a real problem for him.

1083
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: The share price has fallen more than sixty two percent.

1084
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: It originally opened at seventy dollars and ninety cents. Now

1085
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: it's down to around twenty seven dollars. So since Trump

1086
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: has such a significant chunk of this company, of course

1087
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: when the stock takes a beating, it is.

1088
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 4: A huge problem for him and his now worth.

1089
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: It also makes it less likely that this is going

1090
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: to be a real bailout for him in terms of

1091
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: being able to pay the cash that he needs to

1092
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: pay for that civil fraud suit that he's dealing with

1093
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: in Manhattan. Let's put this up on the screen. We

1094
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: also had a report from the Washington Post about some

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Speaker 1: of the people who have really you know, these are

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Speaker 1: ordinary people who have invested much of their savings into

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Speaker 1: truth Social stock, which guys, please don't do that I

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Speaker 1: don't care how you feel about Donald Trump, please don't

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Speaker 1: do that. So the headline here is small time investors

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Speaker 1: in Trump's truth social reckon with stock collapse. Some Trump

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00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: supporters who invested in social media company have seen their

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Speaker 1: shaff values plunge and.

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Speaker 4: See it as a test of faith.

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Speaker 1: So they talk to one gentleman who you can see

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Speaker 1: on the screen if you're watching, Jerry Dean McLean. He

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Speaker 1: has bought hundreds of shares for twenty five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: He describes that as pretty much his whole nest egg.

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00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: That DAG is now lost more than half its value.

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Speaker 1: Of course, at this point he owns a tree removal

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Speaker 1: service outside Oklahoma City. He says he's not worried. If anything,

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00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: he says he wants to buy more. Quote, I know

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00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: good and well it's in Trump's hands and he's got plans.

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00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: I have no doubt it's going to explode some time.

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00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: And it's you know, individuals like mister McLain who have

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00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: boosted the stock price way beyond anything that would be

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Speaker 1: you know, rationally justified by the market. This is a

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00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 1: company that lost tens of millions of dollars last year

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00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: and the revenue side was poultry. It was a few

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Speaker 1: million dollars that they even brought in in revenue, and

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Speaker 1: that was dwarfed by the losses. So, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's really sad to me the way that so many

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Speaker 1: of Trump's supporters have been financially hurt by their support

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Speaker 1: for him and his various causes and other you know,

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Speaker 1: grifting enterprises that have popped up around the whole.

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Speaker 2: Trump unis absolutely and if you see what he said,

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Speaker 2: He's like, well, I want to buy more because Trump

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00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 2: has got big plans.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, look, we don't give financial advice.

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Speaker 2: I would just say in generally, shouldn't be putting your

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Speaker 2: money in single stocks, and probably not single stocks that

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00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: are going to go wildly fluctuate in value, especially whenever

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00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 2: it's your entire nest egg. He says that Trump's true

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00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 2: social steak has now currently shranked by three billion after

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00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 2: the stock is tanked. Shares are down by sixty percent

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Speaker 2: from the peak of trading over the last three weeks,

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Speaker 2: five point five million dollars in sale, forty million dollars

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Speaker 2: in losses and operations. There are no path to profitability

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Speaker 2: that is currently on the horizon at least been released

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Speaker 2: by the company, so you can make your own decisions.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's a free country.

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00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 2: I guess if people want to do it, but I

1142
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 2: do think it is absolutely morally wrong and it does

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00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 2: demonstrate also this is a financial nestag that Trump will

1144
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 2: continue to try and to prop up to leverage because

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Speaker 2: it is his bailout from a lot of the financial

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Speaker 2: problems that he has right now. Now from what I

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00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 2: was reading, Crystal, he can still the company can still

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00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: do stock buybacks, stock splitting. There's various different financial techniques

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Speaker 2: to get Trump to the lock up period out of

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00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: that where you can crop up the share price to

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Speaker 2: a certain point where he is allowed to sell, and

1152
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 2: then he can cash out at least a certain percentage

1153
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: of this in order to boost his overall net worth

1154
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 2: and to make himself a lot more liquid into whether

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Speaker 2: the storm and if he does do that, I mean,

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Speaker 2: just imagine the optics of propping up a stock based

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00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: upon your own I mean they even call it DJT

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00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: in terms of its stock ticker. And then you think

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Speaker 2: about what that means about the ordinary investors that have

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Speaker 2: put their money in this, and that he was basically

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Speaker 2: financially taking advantage of them based upon their.

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Speaker 1: Network ordinary investors bailing on a billionaire. That's what's basically happening.

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Speaker 1: And it's to talk about this as like a business enterprise.

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Speaker 1: Was just think about where it is at this point.

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Speaker 1: So there was at least somewhat of a logic to

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Speaker 1: it when it launched. Because Trump was kicked off of Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Twitter was like liberal coded under Jack Dorsey in the

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00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: sense was like all conservatives are being censored here. So

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Speaker 1: there was at least somewhat of a business case of like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Trump is going to go over to this other quote

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Speaker 1: unquote free speech platform and many conservatives may follow him there. Well,

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Speaker 1: now you have Twitter owned by Elon Musk. It's now

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Speaker 1: like coded right wing and conservative, and there's no longer

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00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: the same like anti liberal grievance around the what's going

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Speaker 1: on at Twitter, and so that has really sort of

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Speaker 1: collapsed the whole business case for True Social And we

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Speaker 1: don't have a lot of insight into their metrics, but

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Speaker 1: what insight we have suggests that their user base is poultry.

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Speaker 1: Plus it's just really boring to be on a platform

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Speaker 1: where everyone is just like you know, has the exact

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Speaker 1: same ideological worldview and supports Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: That's what part of what makes Twitter and other.

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Speaker 1: Platforms that are successful so interesting is that you have

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Speaker 1: this whole cocktail of a variety of why divergent views

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00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: and that back and forth is what makes it so

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00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: addictive and why people, even when they want to quit,

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00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: can't quit. So, you know, and not to mention that

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Speaker 1: the big revenue driver for all of these platforms, and

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Speaker 1: part of why you get all the content moderation, the

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Speaker 1: policies that you do very consistent across these platforms is advertisers.

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Speaker 4: Well, what advertisers really want to jump over to a

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Speaker 4: true social.

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Speaker 1: Very few, right, very few who are ready to just

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Speaker 1: be locked into this like sort of like right wing

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Speaker 1: conservative lane because they want to appeal to a much

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Speaker 1: broader set of individuals. And plus they don't have much

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Speaker 1: of a user based on true social to start with.

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Speaker 1: So the business case is not great. The only thing

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Speaker 1: it's really had going for it is the fact that

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Speaker 1: Trump has so many diehard supporters who see buying this

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Speaker 1: stock as being faithful and loyal to Trump and have

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Speaker 1: some sort of you know, faith in him. As this

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00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: gentleman does that he's going to figure it out, and

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Speaker 1: he's going to make it a success one way or another.

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Speaker 1: And so that's that's effectively all that the stock really

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Speaker 1: has had going for it. So at the same time,

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Speaker 1: we didn't want to lose sight of some significant developments

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Speaker 1: both in the West Bank and in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: We can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: What you are looking at here is a violent pogrum

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Speaker 1: against Palestinians in the West Bank. As Israeli soldiers stand

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Speaker 1: by and watch this latest violence, which you saw a

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Speaker 1: car set on fire. You're seeing fires set on buildings, cars,

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Speaker 1: all sorts of civilian infrastructure here in the West Bank,

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Speaker 1: farms attacked and in the occupied West Bank as well.

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Speaker 1: The source of this violence initially was a fourteen year

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Speaker 1: old Israeli boy who was found dead. Settlers blamed that

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Speaker 1: death on Palestinians, but they have not allowed anyone in

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Speaker 1: to evaluate what actually happened there, and so this sparked

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Speaker 1: these violent attacks. You can see here this is a

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Speaker 1: home that was set on fire. Two Palestinians, according to

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Speaker 1: Al Jazeera and other reporters on the ground, were killed

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Speaker 1: in that rampage, and many war who were injured as

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Speaker 1: a result of the violence. We do have a State

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Speaker 1: Department statement from Matthew Miller. Let's put this up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. So they say, we condemned the killings of

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Speaker 1: fourteen year old Israeli ben Yamine Ikimayer and two Palestinians

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Speaker 1: a twenty five year old Jihad Abu Aliyah and seventeen

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Speaker 1: year old Omar Ahmad Abdul Ganihamed in the West Bank

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Speaker 1: in recent days. This violence must stop and civilians must

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Speaker 1: be protected. So very sort of both sides condemnation here

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Speaker 1: from the State Department and very anesthetic language. Can put

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Speaker 1: this next piece up on the screen, just a little

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Speaker 1: bit of background on how consistently we've seen these violent

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Speaker 1: attacks from settlers on Palestinians in the West Bank. This

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Speaker 1: is from nine to seven to two magazine from a

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Speaker 1: while ago, back when Biden initially levied these sanctions against

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Speaker 1: four settlers, and then some of those sanctions were rolled back.

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Speaker 1: But in any case, they say, meet the settlers targeted

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Speaker 1: by Biden sanctions, and they're victims. Palestinians and Israelis who

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Speaker 1: have experienced the settlers attacks first hands see the move

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Speaker 1: as positive but wholly insufficient step toward accountability. And one

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Speaker 1: of the things to really understand here is number one

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Speaker 1: that this settler violence and you know, widespread attacks on

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Speaker 1: Palestines the West Bank, This has been on the rise

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Speaker 1: for years that they were very much emboldened by the

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Speaker 1: Netnyahu government and especially some of the Coalition partners who

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Speaker 1: you know are settlers themselves and are very encouraging and

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Speaker 1: directly inciting of this violence. But if we're being honest,

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Speaker 1: I mean it has been official government policy to basically

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Speaker 1: back this encroachment onto Palestinian land and violence against Palestinians

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Speaker 1: for years, which is why many of these attacks.

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Speaker 4: When we showed you the video.

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Speaker 1: Where you've got Israeli soldiers just standing by while the

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Speaker 1: car is being set on fire. The reason why one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons why the response on October seventh was

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Speaker 1: so poor is because IDF soldiers had been restationed to

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Speaker 1: be in and near the West Bank rather than near

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Speaker 1: the Gaza Strip, leaving that part of Israel completely unprotected,

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Speaker 1: because they wanted to be there to back up these

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Speaker 1: violent settlers. So, you know, the other piece of this

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Speaker 1: is there's a lot of desire to pretend like history

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01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: started on October seventh, but the reality is in the

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Speaker 1: months leading up to October seventh, you had an escalation

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Speaker 1: in violence. You already had one of the most violent

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Speaker 1: years on record when it comes to Palestinians, and since

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Speaker 1: October seventh you have had an even larger escalation in

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Speaker 1: terms of the number of attacks. So armed settlers and

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Speaker 1: the Israeli army have killed four hundred and sixty Palestinians

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Speaker 1: in the occupied West Bank since October seventh and uprooted

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Speaker 1: hundreds of people from their land.

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Speaker 4: So this the latest program.

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Speaker 1: Which the other thing to say about the saga is

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Speaker 1: even in the worst instances, So there was a horrific

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Speaker 1: program in Hawara. You'll recall one of the net Yahoo

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Speaker 1: coalition partners that it should be wiped off the map.

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Speaker 1: You had a huge attacks and many injuries and killed

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Speaker 1: as well, zero accountability, No one was even no one

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Speaker 1: was indicted, no one was found guilty, nothing happened. So

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Speaker 1: they operate with impunity because they know they can not

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Speaker 1: only get away with it, but that they're actually backed

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Speaker 1: by the israel government.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been hundreds of attacks, hundreds of killed actually

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Speaker 2: that have been killed since October seventh. It's been the

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Speaker 2: biggest spike in settler violence. Actually basically in modern times.

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Speaker 2: And part of the issue with all of this is

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Speaker 2: that this is separate from what's happening in Gaza, but

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Speaker 2: it underscores the settler activity and its endorsement by the government,

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Speaker 2: the lawlessness. And it also is a blind spot for

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Speaker 2: US policy because for years and even now there are

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Speaker 2: currently sanctions that are on people who have been instigating

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Speaker 2: part of this settler of violence at the same time

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Speaker 2: that it is in opposition to official US policy, and

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Speaker 2: it is something that is just demonstrating, you know, very

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Speaker 2: clearly whether the Israeli government is advocating, you know, for

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Speaker 2: this settlement, bolstering, providing weapons and then allowing this to occur.

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Speaker 2: Even the Israeli center left is actually condemning a lot

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Speaker 2: of the setter of violence and settler riots because they,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this has been a long time contensious issue

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Speaker 2: about what exactly is our end state and purpose and

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Speaker 2: a huge part of this backing these people is a

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Speaker 2: big part of Netsa na Who's coalition, part of the

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Speaker 2: reason you can't do anything about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Smocher said of Hawara, we need to

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Speaker 1: wipe it off them. It needs to be wiped out.

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Speaker 1: There was one civilian who was killed there and one

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Speaker 1: hundred other Palestinians who were injured for critically and as

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Speaker 1: I said, zero accountability. You know, you have a Biden

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Speaker 1: administration coming out, oh, we're going to sanction four settlers,

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Speaker 1: which is you know, pathetic in the context of number one,

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Speaker 1: how widespread this you know, this violence, is how frequent

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Speaker 1: the attacks are, and number two, it really sort of

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Speaker 1: pretends like, oh, this is just these one off bad.

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Speaker 4: Apples when you've got idea of soldiers.

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Speaker 1: Standing by, you have a system of impunity and zero

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Speaker 1: accountability for this violence, for the theft, for the assaults,

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Speaker 1: for the fires that are set, and no criminal punishment

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Speaker 1: for that whatsoever. So it's clearly a government policy and

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Speaker 1: there's zero acknowledgement of that from the Biden administration. But

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Speaker 1: to your point, it is really of a piece with

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Speaker 1: what is happening in Gaza. And you know the other

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Speaker 1: part of this, let's put this up on the screen

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Speaker 1: to the point of the official government policy. We covered

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Speaker 1: this previously. Remember, Israel just announced the largest West Bank

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Speaker 1: land grab since Oslo, and it happened while our own

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State.

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Speaker 4: Tony B. Lincoln was there in the region.

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Speaker 1: So you know, the policy of pushing Palestini off of

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Speaker 1: their land. It's been sort of a slow motion ethnic

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Speaker 1: cleansing for years and years and years, and basically October

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Speaker 1: seventh gave this Israeli government an excuse to accelerate it.

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Speaker 4: So that's why these things are connected.

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Speaker 1: And remember the West Bank, I mean, they had nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with October seventh, and yet you've seen huge

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Speaker 1: escalation and violence, hundreds of Palestinians who have been killed,

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Speaker 1: and you know, in these attacks from settlers and also

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Speaker 1: in attacks directly from the IDF.

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Speaker 4: So we didn't want to lose sight of that.

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Speaker 1: Another major development here is apparently there were some rumors

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Speaker 1: in Gaza that Palestinese could return to the north. Remember

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Speaker 1: Gaza City, of course, was previously the densest city in

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Speaker 1: the entire Gaza strip. So you had over a million

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Speaker 1: people are displaced from northern Gaza. Many of them are

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Speaker 1: now in rough after being you know, also chased out

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Speaker 1: of Communis and so there were rumors that, oh, we

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Speaker 1: may be able to get back north, especially with the

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Speaker 1: idea of withdrawing some of their forces. Let's take a

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Speaker 1: listen to a news report from Al Jacira's handout cutter

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Speaker 1: about Palestinine's trying to return to the north.

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Speaker 14: A couple of meters away from Wadi Has, the area

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Speaker 14: that separates the north of Gaza with the South of Gaza.

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Speaker 4: Earlier today in.

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Speaker 14: The morning, a couple of families had the opportunity to

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Speaker 14: go back to the north.

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Speaker 4: It was very surprising.

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Speaker 14: People started coming from all parts of the southern areas

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Speaker 14: to this area where they're saying that they want to go.

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Speaker 4: Back to the north.

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Speaker 14: As you see, people are holding their bags, are holding

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Speaker 14: all of what they own and have, and they are

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Speaker 14: walking to that checkpoint hoping they could cross back to

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Speaker 14: the north. But on the other hand, people know that

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Speaker 14: in the north there is starvation, there's famine.

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Speaker 4: They won't find food.

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Speaker 14: They know that the situation in another I Gozzels ship

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Speaker 14: is very dire and it's unlivable, But they still want

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Speaker 14: to go back to their houses.

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Speaker 4: They want to check up on their beloved ones.

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Speaker 14: Most of these families have their beloved ones still trapped

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Speaker 14: under the rubble.

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Speaker 4: They want to go.

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Speaker 14: And see their families, see their houses, if they're still

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Speaker 14: standing or not. We have been talking to more than

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Speaker 14: one family and they said that they do not have

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Speaker 14: anything to lose, and all they want right now is

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Speaker 14: to go back to their houses.

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Speaker 15: We don't want to stay in Rafa. We want to

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Speaker 15: go back to our home. There is nothing to do

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Speaker 15: in Rafa. We're looking for peace enough of the situation. Look,

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Speaker 15: people are running to go back. It will only get

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Speaker 15: sick here if we stay.

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Speaker 1: The ability to for palsting to return to northern Gaza

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Speaker 1: has also been a key demand of Hamas in the

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Speaker 1: ongoing seasfire negotiations, and of course people very fearful that

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Speaker 1: they may never be able to allowed to return home.

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Speaker 1: And of course we know there isn't a lot to

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Speaker 1: return to at this point in northern Gaza given the

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Speaker 1: level of destruction, but people still desperate to try to

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Speaker 1: make it back north and see what remains of their

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Speaker 1: life and of their possessions. Unfortunately, however, as these individuals

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Speaker 1: were seeking to return to their homes, and we can

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen, they were fired upon

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Speaker 1: by Israeli forces. You can see this video, this is

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Speaker 1: from Middle East Monitor, and people are fleeing. You can

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01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 1: see people, you know, ducking and covering. You can hear

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Speaker 1: some of the audio the gunfire and people running here

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Speaker 1: along the beach. We can go ahead and go to

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Speaker 1: the next element. Guys, We've got a New York Times

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Speaker 1: report indicating that, you know, according to an emergency worker

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Speaker 1: and two people who were attempting to make the journey,

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Speaker 1: is really troops shot into this crowd. Twenty three were

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Speaker 1: wounded by Israeli gunfire and five people were killed. So

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Speaker 1: as these individuals were trying to return home fired on

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Speaker 1: by the IDF and a number of them killed and

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Speaker 1: dozens of them injured, you know, And they say in

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Speaker 1: this report, nearly two million Gosins have been displaced by

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Speaker 1: the war between Hamas and Israel now and at six month,

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Speaker 1: one of their biggest concerns is one and if they

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Speaker 1: will be allowed to return to their homes or whether

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Speaker 1: they will be permanently displaced as previous generations were. The

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Speaker 1: IDF has since announced on social media that they are

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Speaker 1: officially not allowing the return of residents. Quote for your safety,

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Speaker 1: do not approach the forces operating there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really really stunning because what we learn

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Speaker 2: throughout all of this is that a lot of the

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Speaker 2: things that they have said and that they have promised

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Speaker 2: really just not materialized in terms of aid, in terms

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Speaker 2: of what future governance in there all looks like the

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Speaker 2: chaos vacuum inside of it. And actually, before the Iranian attack,

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Speaker 2: this was getting quite a bit of attention, both inside

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Speaker 2: Israel and throughout the international community. I even saw that

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Speaker 2: Israeli journalist Barack Rube talking about the West Bank Paul

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Speaker 2: Gramson about how devastating that was for the international situation.

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Speaker 2: The Iranian question has kind of moved on past this.

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Speaker 2: But part of the reason we're spending time here obviously

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Speaker 2: because it's very significant to what the overall picture is

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Speaker 2: going to look like, both in terms of whatever future

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Speaker 2: that there is in Gaza and also what the how

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Speaker 2: the Israeli government is going to manage both of the

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Speaker 2: Palestinian territories.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is you know, another thing that the

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Speaker 1: US has claimed to care about.

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Speaker 4: People being able to return to their homes.

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Speaker 1: According to the IDF, operations have ended in northern Gaza, So.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's happening?

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Speaker 2: Right, what's the whole what's next? And don't you want

1437
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Speaker 2: people to look you said you're going to invade Rafas

1438
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Speaker 2: or don't you want people to get out of Rafa?

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Speaker 3: Which one?

1440
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 7: Is it?

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01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 4: Exactly right? Exactly right?

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Speaker 3: We will learn to let we will learn the answer

1443
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Speaker 3: to some of those questions very soon.

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Speaker 2: I brought everybody yesterday some quotes from Trump's attack on

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior, but we were able to track down the

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Speaker 2: video and we just had to play some of it

1447
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Speaker 2: for you, as there's now a spat that's been open.

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior responding, First, let's take a listen to what

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Speaker 2: Trump had to say.

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Speaker 16: RFK Jr. Is, as you know, the most radical left

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Speaker 16: candidate in the race. He's more so than the Green Party.

1452
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Speaker 16: He's more so than even crookeet Joe Biden. But he's

1453
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 16: got some nice things about him. I happen to like him. Unfortunately,

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01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 16: he is about the Green new scam because he believes

1455
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Speaker 16: in that, and a lot of people don't. They want

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01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,959
Speaker 16: to see our country become rich and wealthy and strong

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Speaker 16: and powerful and lots of other things, and not waste

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Speaker 16: money doing something that nobody wants and everybody knows doesn't work.

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Speaker 16: I guess that would mean that RFK Junior is going

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Speaker 16: to be taken away votes from Crooked Joe Biden, and

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Speaker 16: he should because he's actually better than Biden. He's much

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Speaker 16: better than Biden. If I were a Democrat, I'd vote

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Speaker 16: for RFK Jr. Every single time over Biden because he's

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Speaker 16: frankly more in line with Democrats. RFK Junior's running mate,

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Speaker 16: Nicole Shanahan is also a very liberal person, but that's okay.

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Speaker 16: She's got plenty of money from her ex husband. Kennedy

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Speaker 16: is a radical left Democrat and always will be. But

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Speaker 16: he's a better man than Joe Biden that I can

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Speaker 16: tell you.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, there was a lot going on there.

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Speaker 2: Nicole Chanahan got a lot of money from her ex husband.

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Speaker 3: He's been trying to sew dissension.

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Speaker 2: Ryan and I were talking about this yesterday in terms

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Speaker 2: of Trump endorsing the genocide Joe Chant and he's like,

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Speaker 2: they're not wrong, they're not wrong. Everything for him is

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01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 2: about calibration, trying to exploit some of this chaos inside

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Speaker 2: the Democratic coalition.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead.

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Speaker 4: I don't really think this approaches that intelligent though.

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Speaker 3: Because because transparent, not.

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Speaker 1: Because it's transparent. But if he actually wanted Democrats to

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Speaker 1: vote for RFK Junior, he wouldn't say anything nice about him.

1483
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: Like the fact that Trump says something nice about you

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Speaker 1: is not a point in your favor if you are

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Speaker 1: at all on like you know, left of center or

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the potential old Biden voter universe. So if

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Speaker 1: Trump was I think his smartest move would be to

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Speaker 1: just aggressively attack him as you know, liberal and loves

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi and voter for Hillary Clinton whatever. That would

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Speaker 1: probably be the smarter move because you know, so much

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Speaker 1: of a politics it's just vibes. It's like which treat

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Speaker 1: team are you on, and Trump is the central figure,

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01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: and it's all about just how do you feel about

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump?

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Speaker 4: And how does Donald Trump feel about you.

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Speaker 1: So if you're an enemy of Trump, regardless of where

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Speaker 1: you may have positioned yourself in things that you might

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Speaker 1: have said that Republicans may have at some point agreed with,

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Speaker 1: you're on the wrong side of Donald Trump. That's all

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Speaker 1: that matters. And conversely, for the quote unquote anti Trump coalition,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's exactly the opposite of Trump hates you,

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Speaker 1: then we like you. So I'm not sure that it's

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Speaker 1: his smartest play.

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Speaker 2: Frankly, absolutely, I know. I don't disagree necessarily. I just look,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if any of this is going to

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Speaker 2: have an impact. It's more just it's interesting and it's

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Speaker 2: funny to just see how he is trying to calibrate

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Speaker 2: with respect to RFK. Whether it's serious or not. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it's just, you know, unfiltered what he actually thinks. But

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Speaker 2: here's what Kennedy had to say, and actually pretty explosive claim.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: He says, President Trump calls me an ultra left radical.

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Speaker 2: I'm so liberal that his emissaries asked me to be

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01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 2: his VP. I respectfully declined the offer. I am against

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01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 2: President Trump and President Biden can't win. Judging by his

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01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 2: new website, it looks like President Trump knows who can

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01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 2: actually beat him, So that is kind.

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Speaker 4: Of interesting website.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like looking into this, let's see Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to actually the Donald Trump campaign and see

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01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 2: exactly what he's talking about in terms of what I

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Speaker 2: have though in front of me, it's just a donation button.

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01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 2: I don't see anything about I'll never stop fighting for you.

1524
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 2: And if you're able to click out of that, it

1525
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 2: just says they're not after me, they're after you. I'm

1526
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 2: just the one who's standing in the way. So I'm

1527
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 2: not exactly sure what he's referring to. Maybe he's talking

1528
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: about er there RK Junior. Regardless, he says here that

1529
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 2: he turned down the VP at least from his emissary

1530
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:01,759
Speaker 2: that I don't know. I mean, the Trump campaign hasn't responded.

1531
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 2: They haven't denied that it happened. So if it weren't true,

1532
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 2: you would assume that they would come out and say it.

1533
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 2: I predicted at the time that they were at least

1534
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 2: going to try, just because I knew how much Trump

1535
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 2: would relish having the Kennedy name, and of course it

1536
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 2: would have a lot of it would garner a lot

1537
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 2: of media attention and possibly could to unite two of

1538
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 2: these kind of more disparate groups of voters and bring

1539
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 2: them together. But the issue was always Trump has got

1540
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 2: other institutional people he's got to worry about. That's why

1541
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 2: we were talking previously. Who was it that they said

1542
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 2: would Trump would pick as his VP? And we were like,

1543
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 2: there's no way, Oh, Tulsi Galla think that's what it was.

1544
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 2: I was like, there's no way he's going to pick

1545
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,879
Speaker 2: her because he's got like actual party people and donors

1546
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 2: and all these folks to please. He's got to pick

1547
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,679
Speaker 2: somebody who's already an elected GOP person. Anybody more outside

1548
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 2: of the box is too risky, and it's just it

1549
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 2: would endanger some of the machinery. What I've been reading

1550
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 2: right now is Trump needs tons of money. He does

1551
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 2: not want to input any of his own personal money

1552
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 2: a lot. It's already going to legal bills and all

1553
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 2: these other issues. He's relying on big, big dollar donors.

1554
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 2: And one of the things he's looking for in a

1555
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: VP right now is somebody who can raise tons of

1556
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 2: money from bundlers and others.

1557
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 3: That's not somebody.

1558
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 2: That's not a reason to pick RFK Junior Tulsa Gabbard

1559
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 2: in Yeah, folks.

1560
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 1: The other thing I saw with his VP pick is

1561
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: that he is souring on any of the like governors

1562
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: from states that have extreme abortion policies.

1563
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 4: Well he should so like christin Noam.

1564
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 1: You know, I think they have a heartbeat bill in

1565
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: South Dakota, Dakota. So that's a bad fact for her

1566
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, getting the Republican VP nod

1567
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: understandably because then you know, that becomes a center of

1568
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: focus of conversation. Trump understands how bad that issue is

1569
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,639
Speaker 1: for him, So they've kind of slid down the list

1570
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: with regard to this.

1571
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 4: Kennedy tweet.

1572
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm probably parsing this too much, but there were

1573
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: a couple of things that I found noteworthy. First of all,

1574
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: with regard to how he phrases the VP offer, saying

1575
01:16:56,160 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 1: that his emissaries ask me, I find that credible. That's

1576
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: a little bit different than like, all right, the man

1577
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: himself was like, I've made my decision, and it's you

1578
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: will you join me? That's more of like a trial balloon.

1579
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: I can imagine Trump falling in love with the idea of.

1580
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 4: Having a Kennedy on it, you know, Trump Kennedy, Like you.

1581
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: Know, he's he's got that old man sensibility and like

1582
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: love of the Kennedys, is this political royalty and whatever.

1583
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: So I can definitely imagine him toying with the idea

1584
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: of having RFK Junior on the ticket and what that

1585
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: would mean for him and like how that would raise

1586
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:38,520
Speaker 1: his esteem And so much of Trump's like modus operendies

1587
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: comes out of his own personal grievance about not being

1588
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: treated in the dignified way and fitting in with like

1589
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 1: the fancy people and whatever. And so if he's got

1590
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: a Kennedy on the ticket, like how can you deny

1591
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: how legit he is and his claim to political prowess.

1592
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:57,759
Speaker 1: So I can definitely imagine them floating the idea, testing

1593
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,919
Speaker 1: the waters with RFK to see if he was receptive.

1594
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: So that's number one. The other thing I noticed about

1595
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: this tweet is he says I am against President Trump

1596
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: and President Biden can't win. So it's not I'm against Biden,

1597
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: it's he can't win, which was interesting to me. That's

1598
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: almost like the Dean Phillips positioning right of like, well, actually,

1599
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: I love I love Joe. Biden's great, but I just

1600
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: don't think he can win, or like, you know, even

1601
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: that's the way like Jan Kueger talked about it a lot,

1602
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: not he didn't do that. I love President Biden, but

1603
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: he was like, we have to win. President Biden can't win,

1604
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,759
Speaker 1: so I'm the guy. So I did find that notable

1605
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: that that's the way that he chose to phrase that

1606
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: tweet when he certainly hasn't held a fire in terms

1607
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:44,599
Speaker 1: of being directly critical of Biden. But it made me

1608
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: feel like because he softened that language, perhaps he does

1609
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: see his best lane in terms of accumulating the you know,

1610
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: the most votes as being a little bit friendly towards

1611
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: the Biden people and like trying to pick up more

1612
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 1: of the disaffected Biden voters.

1613
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 4: But I also could be way too much, no, no enough.

1614
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 2: I think there is something to it where he says,

1615
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 2: you know, President Biden can't win. That's kind of like

1616
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 2: whenever he was running in the Democratic primary. Let's go

1617
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 2: and put this up there on the screen. This is

1618
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 2: important for ballot Access News from RFK Junior. He is

1619
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 2: ruling out a libertarian run. Kennedy says currently facing obstacles

1620
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 2: to get on the ballot in all fifty states, Getting

1621
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 2: on the libertarian ballot would have been an easy way

1622
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 2: to circuit this, but he says, we are not going

1623
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 2: to have problems getting on the ballot ourselves, so we

1624
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 2: are not going to be running as libertarian. This is

1625
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 2: something he confirmed to ABC News on Saturday when he

1626
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 2: was asked specifically about this. So currently we know that

1627
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:44,480
Speaker 2: he has qualified right now for the ballot in Utah. Officially,

1628
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 2: there are other states where he has enough signatures, but

1629
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 2: they're currently in being contested.

1630
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 3: But this was a move of confidence on the.

1631
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 2: Campaign part where they are saying definitively we are going

1632
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 2: to be.

1633
01:19:58,280 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 3: On the ballot in all fifty states.

1634
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 2: Now, I remained skeptical of that, and it's not a

1635
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 2: denigration of his campaign. It's just that I know how

1636
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 2: rigged that the process is and how difficult it will

1637
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,600
Speaker 2: be to get on all fifty. But clearly, maybe with

1638
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 2: Nicole Shanahan's money, they believe that they do actually have

1639
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 2: a very good shot at being on the ballot in

1640
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 2: the vast majority of states. That's the only reason that

1641
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 2: you would deny the Libertarian Party or.

1642
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 4: The Libertarians were like didn't want him.

1643
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 3: Like there was a lot of it.

1644
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 2: There was some consternation, say, you wouldn't have won, but

1645
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 2: actually I think he might have won.

1646
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

1647
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't know either, but I'm just saying That's the

1648
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: other alternative explanation is it became clear that at least

1649
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a clear cut path to Libertarian nomination.

1650
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: They weren't going to just anoint him, so it ends

1651
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: up being sort of too messy and distracting from the

1652
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: rest of his campaign goals. I think that's entirely possible

1653
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: as well. Listen, I continue to be skeptical about how

1654
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 1: many ballots he's going to be able to get on,

1655
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: because even in the places where he appears to have

1656
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: met the criteria, there remain question marks. I mean that

1657
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 1: he appears to have met the criteria, yet there's some

1658
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: question about what did you have a VP on this

1659
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: ticket at that point? So does that one count? He

1660
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: just announced that they qualified for Iowa ballot access. They

1661
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: had to hold some kind of a convention in the state.

1662
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 1: So they're saying, okay, well we did that, we checked

1663
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 1: that box, but it's still got to be certified by

1664
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: Iowa's Secretary of State.

1665
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 4: Are they going to find some kind.

1666
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 1: Of a little loophole of oh, well, you didn't check X,

1667
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 1: Y and Z on the form twenty seventeen and by

1668
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: the way, we just changed the rules anyway, so sorry,

1669
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't count. There's so many tricks that they use

1670
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: and lawfair that they use also to try to block

1671
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: candidates from the ballot. I just it's not a slam

1672
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: dunk thing. It's not a slam dunk thing to get

1673
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 1: on and even a majority of states, let alone all

1674
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: fifty states, so they certainly have their work cut out

1675
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 1: for them. And I think this is one of the

1676
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: most important in terms of the horse race. I think

1677
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: this is one of the most important things to watch

1678
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:02,600
Speaker 1: because we know that there's oftentimes double digit support for

1679
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 1: Bobby Kennedy. So does he make it on the ballot?

1680
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: Who is he pulling more from? You know, who are

1681
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: the more disaffected voters who are migrating to him.

1682
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 4: I think these things.

1683
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 1: Could all be actually determinative in terms of the next

1684
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: president is. And by the way, I continue to be

1685
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 1: a little agnostic about what the answer is as to

1686
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: which side he pulls more from, because he still does

1687
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: have a much higher favorability with Republicans and so I'm

1688
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: just looking at that and I can't help but think

1689
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: that must mean something because it's not even close, like

1690
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 1: a majority of Republicans like him and overwhelmed like seventy

1691
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:40,600
Speaker 1: five percent of Democrats hate him. So that has to

1692
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: mean something at the end of the day, is my guest.

1693
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 1: But you know, the pulling so far has been a

1694
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: little bit mixed as to what the impact is.

1695
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 2: Absolutely no, very true. All right, let's move on to

1696
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 2: the next part. This is where we wanted to continue

1697
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 2: to stay on top of this story. Just a quick

1698
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 2: update here with some pretty extraordinary news. Let's put it

1699
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,440
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. There is now a Federal

1700
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 2: FBI investing gates into the Key Bridge crash from Baltimore.

1701
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 2: So what they are looking at is whether the crew

1702
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 2: left the port knowing that their vessel had serious system problems.

1703
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 2: This is after an initial review of the case.

1704
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 3: Quote.

1705
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 2: Authorities are reviewing the events leading up to the moment

1706
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 2: when the singing parent Poorian flagship lost power, leaving the

1707
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 2: Port of Baltimore, slamming into one of the bridge's support pillars,

1708
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 2: collapsing the entire bridge. Just after dawn on Monday, Actually,

1709
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 2: dozens of FBI officials, addressed in all black all began

1710
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 2: storming the ship, where the crew has actually remained since

1711
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 2: the crash, quote, pulling up to the ship's bow in

1712
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 2: numerous boats, climbing aboard using a ladder. The FBI now

1713
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 2: confirming that the agents are on board and authorities are

1714
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: conducting a quote court approved search. The criminal investigation, which

1715
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 2: is important here, is being handled by currently a US

1716
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 2: Attorney office in Maryland. Same day that quote, multiple private

1717
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 2: law firms have separately announced they are been retained to

1718
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 2: represent the Mayor's office and seven of the men who

1719
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 2: were working construction on the bridge when it collapsed. The

1720
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 2: signal an effort to seek accountability and determine what caused

1721
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:08,679
Speaker 2: the crash that left six of the eight men who

1722
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 2: were on the bridge that were dead. Now, what's important

1723
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 2: also is that this came immediately after a report surface

1724
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 2: around the condition of the ship immediately after it left.

1725
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 2: Let's put it up there please on the screen. It

1726
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 2: says that the bridge collapse had the ship apparently had

1727
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 2: electrical issues while it was still docked hours before leaving

1728
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 2: the port. The container ship experienced electrical problems according to

1729
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 2: those who are officials who were involved in the process,

1730
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 2: that came out at the same time that the FBI

1731
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 2: actually boarded the ship. Now, what they say is that

1732
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 2: when the DOLLI the ship departed Baltimore early in the

1733
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: morning with its with all of its cargo and slammed

1734
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:56,759
Speaker 2: into the bridge, it almost immediately experienced a similar electrical issue.

1735
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Speaker 2: So the criminal investigation that will take place here is

1736
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: did they know that the ship was experiencing electrical problems?

1737
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 2: Were they aware that or did they cover up either

1738
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:10,679
Speaker 2: that had happened. Did they put some sort of shoddy

1739
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 2: fix that ended up shorting the entire ship that eventually

1740
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 2: led to the collapse and to the crash. So there's

1741
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of investigation, not just in the crew,

1742
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 2: but you know, possibly the higher ups, yeah, that were

1743
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 2: involved in telling them, Hey, you need to get out

1744
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 2: of there. We got to fix this as soon as possible.

1745
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 1: That's what I would really because that was the big

1746
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 1: question I had too, is Okay, if that all happened

1747
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 1: and they're hearing these alarms on the refrigerator unit saying okay,

1748
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 1: you've got this intermittent power supply, there's something wrong here.

1749
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,759
Speaker 1: What sort of pressure may the crew have been under

1750
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:45,839
Speaker 1: to proceed even under those very risky circumstances, Because obviously,

1751
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: I mean the people that it posed a great risk

1752
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 1: to as well was themselves being aboard a ship that

1753
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 1: may not have been seaworthy, and that apparently is the

1754
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: legal standard that they have to meet. So according to

1755
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: the law, you, uh, the dolly was, you have to

1756
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: indicate whether or not it was reasonably fit for the

1757
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 1: intended voyage. You may not send a vessel to see

1758
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 1: in a known unseaworthy condition.

1759
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 4: So that'll be the question.

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01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure that'll be you know, debated likely in court

1761
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 1: over whether or not it was in a known unseaworthy condition,

1762
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: and then you know, potential accountability flows from there. Something

1763
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: else that our friends over at lever News have been

1764
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: reporting on is the fact that the owner of this

1765
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: ship has been in court trying to limit their liability

1766
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: using this eighteen fifty one maritime law. It allows them

1767
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: to seek to limit that liability to the value of

1768
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 1: the vessel's remains after a casualty. So that would mean

1769
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: that their liability would be limited to something like forty

1770
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 1: three point six million dollars, which I mean, considering the

1771
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,839
Speaker 1: damage that was caused and the lives that were lost,

1772
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 1: this is really peanuts. And that's one of the things

1773
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: that the victims lawyers, the lawyers for the families, and

1774
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 1: the one individual who actually survived amazingly incredibly the fall

1775
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: off this bridge, that they're really taking issue with that.

1776
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: One of the lawyers said, imagine telling that to grieving

1777
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: families that while they're planning a funeral, the owner of

1778
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: the boat is in court trying to stop the city,

1779
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: state and victims from being able to file claims. There

1780
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: was also a detail in this because I've been wondering,

1781
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 1: how did that one man survive?

1782
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, unbelievable.

1783
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 1: Apparently he escaped drowning, but he was inside of his

1784
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,600
Speaker 1: work truck, and he was able to roll down his

1785
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: vehicle's window and fight through the frigid water, I mean

1786
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 1: it was cold that day, when the water is even colder,

1787
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 1: despite being unable to swim, and then he was able

1788
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 1: to cling to debris until he was rescued. So survived

1789
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: this huge fall inside of his work truck, is able

1790
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 1: to swim out through the window in spite of the

1791
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: fact that he can't swim and survive these you know,

1792
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: ice cold waters as really unbelievable miracle that he was

1793
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: able to survive.

1794
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an amazing story and it's one of those

1795
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 2: where again remember this is one of the worst you know,

1796
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 2: industrial accidents here in a long time in the United States,

1797
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 2: and a criminal investigation. Really, what it will reveal is

1798
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 2: what I had seen previously. I remember during the whole

1799
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 2: Captain Phillips thing, we were reading about why exactly that

1800
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 2: this kept happening. And part of the reason is because

1801
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 2: the shipping companies didn't want to spend money on the

1802
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 2: extra fuel that would have cost to go outside of

1803
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 2: pirate areas, so they're like cheaper to just pay the

1804
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 2: ransom and to risk it. You're like, wait what, And

1805
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 2: apparently that's the thing. You know, you if you're part

1806
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 2: of like I think, if you're a ship captain, you're

1807
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 2: held within a set amount of fuel that you're allowed

1808
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 2: to use. You need to call up and you need

1809
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 2: to get permission from authorities to burn extra fuel because

1810
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 2: it just costs a ton of money a certain point.

1811
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 2: Business wise, I do get it. I can understand to

1812
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 2: a certain extent. But sometimes these types of pressures, you know,

1813
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 2: to save money or to make make deadline and all that,

1814
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 2: it's going to run up against it's going to run

1815
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 2: up against safety, and it's going to lead to a

1816
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:12,719
Speaker 2: catastrophic incident.

1817
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 1: Like we see this all the time, like in the

1818
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:18,719
Speaker 1: mining industry, for example, line operators, especially the shadier ones,

1819
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 1: just skimping on safety at you know, cutting corners every

1820
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 1: step of the way, and you know games that the

1821
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: regulators play to give them heads up when they're coming

1822
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: to inspect the mine. And we've had a number of

1823
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, deadly mine accidents because this unscrupulous owner wanted

1824
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: to save money at the risk of their workers' lives.

1825
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 4: And so we'll see what the details are here.

1826
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Speaker 1: You know, what was going on with the crew, with

1827
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:47,839
Speaker 1: the crew, what they knew and what sort of pressure

1828
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 1: they may have been under from the higher ups. But

1829
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: will certainly certainly continue to pay attention to this story

1830
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 1: because it is so significant in terms of the collapse

1831
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 1: of this infrastructure and what it means for the entire

1832
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 1: sort of Eastern Seaboard going forward. Absolutely, all right, guys,

1833
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: At the same time, we have an incredible Ryan Grimm

1834
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 1: and Jeremy Scahill scoop. We can put this up on

1835
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 1: the screen. They were able to get their hands on

1836
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 1: a leaked memo from the New York Times that instructed

1837
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 1: journalists covering Israel's war on Gaza to restrict the use

1838
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 1: of the terms genocide, ethnic cleansing, and to avoid using

1839
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 1: the phrases occupied territory when describing Palestinian land. According to

1840
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,839
Speaker 1: a copy of an internal memo obtained by The Intercept

1841
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 1: by the Way Soccer, the New York Times apparently just

1842
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 1: wrapped up their previous investigation into previous leaks to the Intercepts. Yes,

1843
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: right as they wrap that up, the Intercept gets this new,

1844
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 1: very revelatory leak. The memo also instructs reporters not to

1845
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 1: use the word Palestine except in very rare cases. That's

1846
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 1: a specific language from this memo to steer clear of

1847
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: the term refugee camps to describe areas of Gaza historically

1848
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:06,719
Speaker 1: settled by internally displaced Palestinians who fled from other parts

1849
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,599
Speaker 1: of Palestine during previous wars. The areas, of course, are

1850
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 1: recognized by the UN as refugee camps and house hundreds

1851
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 1: of thousands of registered refugees. You know that one is

1852
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 1: really significant because this is just such Israeli framing. You

1853
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: know that this is part of why Israel hates UNRA

1854
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 1: so much, is because it gives them the designation of refugees.

1855
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 1: And you know, Israel really hates that because they see

1856
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 1: this as continuing a justified Palestinian claim to the land.

1857
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 1: So really sort of buying into the Israeli framing here.

1858
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 1: The time memo goes on to outline guidance on a

1859
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 1: range of phrases in terms they say the nature of

1860
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: the conflict has led to inflammatory language and incendiary accusations

1861
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: on all sides. We should be very cautious about using

1862
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 1: such language, even in quotations, and they specifically talk about

1863
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: words like slaughter, massacre, and carnage, which they say often

1864
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: convey more emotions and information think hard before using them

1865
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 1: in our own voice. Which is funny because the intercepted

1866
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: previously published an analysis showing that they exclusively use that

1867
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 1: type of language when it comes to attacks on Israelis.

1868
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 1: So they found the intercept analysis, which we covered here

1869
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: I think I did a monologue on it, actually showed

1870
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: that major newspapers reserved terms like slaughter, massacre, and horrific

1871
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:29,799
Speaker 1: almost exclusively for Israeli civilians. New York Times had described

1872
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,720
Speaker 1: Israeli deaths as a massacre on fifty three occasions, and

1873
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: those of Palestinians just once. The ratio for the use

1874
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 1: of slaughter was twenty two to one, even as the

1875
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 1: documented number of Palestinians at that time was around fifteen thousands.

1876
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 1: They also go on to talk about the use of

1877
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 1: the word terrorism, so they don't characterize Israel's repeated attacks

1878
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 1: on Palestinian civilians as terrorism, but go on at great

1879
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 1: length to explain how it is appropriate to call hamas

1880
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:03,160
Speaker 1: militi since on October seventh, terrorists, but the same similar

1881
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 1: attacks on civilians from the israelis not terrorism, you know,

1882
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 1: it's just very uh it's very illustrative of the double

1883
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 1: standards that are applied throughout the news media. And to

1884
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,639
Speaker 1: see it all written out like this is pretty shordinary, right.

1885
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 2: And this is here's the thing. If you don't ever

1886
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 2: want to use a claim genocide, fine, don't use it.

1887
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 2: But when I google Russia genocide Ukraine NYT one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

1888
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 2: stories just in the last year that have been published

1889
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 2: by The New York pop right.

1890
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 1: Up on your first Google search results.

1891
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 2: Very first thing, right, And if I read about terrorism

1892
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 2: and Russia, what's the same thing. This is again like

1893
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 2: if you want to say, well, it's terrorism because a

1894
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 2: non state actor, okay, cool, But whenever here we have

1895
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:54,720
Speaker 2: an actual nation state, Russia, they're accusing them quote of

1896
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 2: terrorism inside of Ukraine. Now, it's all subjective, and it's editorial,

1897
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 2: and it's based upon the foreign policy views of the

1898
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 2: owners of the New York Times or the people who

1899
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,679
Speaker 2: work at the New York Times, And that is why

1900
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 2: it's egregious and why it's stupid. Now, if you are

1901
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 2: a political person and you are trying to make these points,

1902
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 2: that's one thing. But if you're supposedly newspaper record and

1903
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 2: an a credible news organization that is actually trying to

1904
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 2: present some sort of picture of the truth that's a

1905
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 2: totally different one. And it is very clear here that

1906
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 2: for some reason they have decided to commit themselves entirely

1907
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 2: to presenting a view of the conflict. And at a

1908
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 2: certain point I think it's okay, But then they need

1909
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 2: to just be honest about where they are and not

1910
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:42,839
Speaker 2: pretend that they don't have a massive bias, especially consider

1911
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 2: how this entire Intercept thing went down. They were revealed

1912
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 2: that their October seventh rape story was complete bullshit, like

1913
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 2: absolutely did not rise to the editorial standards something that

1914
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 2: we would publish here, let alone over at the New

1915
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:02,559
Speaker 2: York Times. Well, they then launch an investigation into who

1916
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 2: leaked all of the background of their terrible reporting, And

1917
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:09,439
Speaker 2: as Ryan has talked about here, part of the reason

1918
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 2: he believes that they won't retract it is because they

1919
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 2: want to win a Pulitzer Prize for the story they

1920
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 2: fully believe that they will do, And how insane would

1921
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 2: that be.

1922
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 1: I think they're also just they're like afraid of the

1923
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 1: fallout from it.

1924
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:23,480
Speaker 4: They just I mean, even though remember.

1925
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: And we've covered this pretty extensively, but their own reporters

1926
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 1: at The New York Times had to write a story

1927
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:33,679
Speaker 1: about how one of the central claims of their own

1928
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 1: Hamas rape story was not true, and yet they have

1929
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,680
Speaker 1: not retracted the story. They put in a you know,

1930
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of a like parenthetical after that part

1931
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: of the story, but they didn't even take that.

1932
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 4: Part of the story.

1933
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's what and that's just the

1934
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg with the problems of that story.

1935
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, this gives you some real insight. And I'm

1936
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 1: not surprised that they said, don't use genocide. I'm not

1937
01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 1: surprised that they'd say don't use ethnic but banning. You

1938
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: can't say refugee camps, you can't say Palestine, you can't

1939
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 1: say occupied territories. Like this is flying in the face

1940
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 1: of really standard acknowledged reality around the world, and they're

1941
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 1: censoring their own journalists to try to craft a view

1942
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:24,600
Speaker 1: of the world that is the most friendly possible to

1943
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:25,759
Speaker 1: the Israeli position.

1944
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 4: Like that comes across this could.

1945
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 1: Have been written by one of you know, Bebi's spokespeople,

1946
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 1: grules that we see across media. This is exactly how

1947
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Speaker 1: they would want this to be framed and so it

1948
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Speaker 1: was fine back in the immediate aftermath of October seventh

1949
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Speaker 1: for New York Times reporters to be talking about a

1950
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Speaker 1: massacre or a slaughter, et cetera, et cetera. But suddenly

1951
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Speaker 1: when the slaughter was all on the other side, is well,

1952
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Speaker 1: this language, this is too emotional. Why are we using

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Speaker 1: these words? Well, why'd you use them back then? If

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Speaker 1: you're going to not use the word massacre at all

1955
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Speaker 1: or slaughter at all? Why was it fine when it

1956
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Speaker 1: was Israeli's being slaughtered? But now there's Palestinians being slaughtered.

1957
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Speaker 1: Suddenly those words are too emotional and we should really

1958
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Speaker 1: think twice before we use them.

1959
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Speaker 2: Look, the Buka massacre, all right, and I'm not I'm

1960
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Speaker 2: not putting, I'm not trying to minimize what happened there.

1961
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Speaker 3: That's four hundred and fifty eight people who were killed.

1962
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Speaker 2: I mean the death toll and Gaza is what minimum

1963
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Speaker 2: thirty k What are we doing here? Yeah, Buka is

1964
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Speaker 2: supposed to be one of those massive turning points of

1965
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Speaker 2: the that is what a day of fighting in Gaza?

1966
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Speaker 3: And I mean, let's okay, flip it around.

1967
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Speaker 2: Buka massacre October seven, that's about a third of the

1968
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Speaker 2: death toll on October seven. It's well, which one is

1969
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Speaker 2: a masker? And what's not is you know what's the cutoff?

1970
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Speaker 2: Is it indiscriminate killing?

1971
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Speaker 3: Is it not?

1972
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Speaker 2: You know what's this is just ludicrous the way that

1973
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Speaker 2: and again look think about the way that Buka Buka

1974
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Speaker 2: is literally the justification that they say for quote unquote

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Speaker 2: committing genocide and why America should be you know, back

1976
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Speaker 2: the Ukraine means to the hills and shows sort of

1977
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Speaker 2: savages the Russians are and all this is just nothing

1978
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Speaker 2: compared to the scale of world events. I'm not minimizing

1979
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Speaker 2: what happened there. I'm just saying you have to put

1980
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Speaker 2: it in a context of broader like broader conflict and

1981
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Speaker 2: about what the barriers and what for US policy should

1982
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Speaker 2: be in response to certain events. And it's just some

1983
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Speaker 2: things are granted master status, some are not. Sometimes embassies

1984
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Speaker 2: are embassies sometimes are not.

1985
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Speaker 3: That that's the problem that.

1986
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Speaker 4: We un it's a genocide sometimes.

1987
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Speaker 1: Oh and let's be clear, like the case that this

1988
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Speaker 1: is a genocide is much more further advanced and much

1989
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Speaker 1: more grounded than the case against Russia in terms of

1990
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Speaker 1: you know, the ICJ finding it plausible you and Special

1991
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Speaker 1: Rappertoire saying reasonable grounds. Even in terms of public sentiment

1992
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Speaker 1: within the US, you have large and increasing majorities, almost

1993
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Speaker 1: a super majority at this point of Democrats who say yes, yes,

1994
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Speaker 1: it's a genocide. You have a plurality of independence, and

1995
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Speaker 1: you even have some number of republic especially judging by

1996
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Speaker 1: the ones who were chanting at Trump's rally the other day,

1997
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Speaker 1: who say it's a genocide. So yeah, you're right, Sara,

1998
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Speaker 1: if you don't like that word and you just don't

1999
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Speaker 1: want to use it anywhere. Okay, but that hasn't been

2000
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Speaker 1: the standard of your coverage at any point anywhere else

2001
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Speaker 1: that we can really point to. There was a really

2002
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Speaker 1: good point that was made by staffer who spoke to

2003
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Speaker 1: the Intercept about this memo about banning the use of

2004
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Speaker 1: the term occupied territories, and the staffer was particularly upset

2005
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Speaker 1: about that because they said, this obscures the reality of

2006
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Speaker 1: the conflict, feeding into the US and Israeli insistence that

2007
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Speaker 1: the conflict began on October seventh, and nothing prior to

2008
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Speaker 1: that context mattered whatsoever.

2009
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Speaker 4: Here's the quote. You are basically.

2010
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Speaker 1: Taking the occupation out of the coverage, which is the

2011
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Speaker 1: actual core of the conflict. It's like, oh, let's not

2012
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Speaker 1: say occupation because it might make it look like we're

2013
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Speaker 1: justifying a terrorist attack.

2014
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Speaker 4: So they're so fearful of.

2015
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Speaker 1: Giving any credence to legitimate palestine A grievances prior to

2016
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Speaker 1: October seve that they just obscure the reality of what

2017
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Speaker 1: this conflict is actually about at its core, and that

2018
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Speaker 1: means that they are failing as a news organization. If

2019
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Speaker 1: you are not able to make your readers understand what

2020
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Speaker 1: is actually happening here, why this is all unfolding, That

2021
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Speaker 1: this didn't just come out of nowhere, you know, it

2022
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Speaker 1: didn't fall on what Kami said, didn't fall on the

2023
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Speaker 1: poconut tree, that this exists in the context of all

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Speaker 1: that came before. If you aren't able to talk to

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Speaker 1: your readers honestly about that, like what are you even

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Speaker 1: doing as a news organization?

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Speaker 3: The whole thing is silly.

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Speaker 2: Either treated fairly or don't or you know, declare your

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Speaker 2: bias up front and then just tell people but trying

2030
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Speaker 2: to shape it and behind it all your.

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Speaker 4: Israel coverage under the opinion section. How about that?

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Speaker 3: Or publish a memo, publish your guidance seriously. Yeah, that

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Speaker 3: actually that's a real justice.

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Speaker 2: Be Like, listen, this is the way that we refer

2035
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Speaker 2: to stuff on the conflict period and the story, and

2036
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Speaker 2: you can read all of our stories and another editorial,

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Speaker 2: but it has to leak to somebody else about the

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Speaker 2: way that they cover it. That's actually what I find

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Speaker 2: the most objectional about the entire thing.

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Speaker 1: They have so disgraced themselves in their coverage. I mean,

2041
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Speaker 1: it really is like WMD Caliphate level of failures from

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Speaker 1: the New York Times. It really is where they have

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Speaker 1: a narrative that they want and then they fill in

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Speaker 1: the facts to match that narrative.

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Speaker 4: That's what we've seen, you know.

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Speaker 1: Not one hundred percent of the time, but pretty consistently,

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Speaker 1: and especially when you see the analysis of the different

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Speaker 1: language that was used and this memo that provides the

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Speaker 1: guidance of how reporters have to talk about this this conflict.

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Speaker 4: It just is all about hiding the ball.

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Speaker 3: All right. Thank you guys so much for watching. We

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Speaker 3: appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for helping us with the gold plaque. It was

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Speaker 2: very very kind of you guys to help us get

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Speaker 2: to one million, even though it was quite a long

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Speaker 2: time ago. Chris will be in on Counterpoints tomorrow and

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Speaker 2: I will see you guys on Thursday.