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<v Speaker 1>The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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<v Speaker 2>Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you ready for a break?

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 4>Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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<v Speaker 6>It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 6>with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Nick Harris, and Derek Eagleton.

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<v Speaker 4>It is Wednesday, March twelfth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,

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<v Speaker 4>Episode number one. Welcome to the latest edition of Rayquilacnest Studios.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow at the Star.

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<v Speaker 2>First day of the new league year.

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<v Speaker 4>It is the first of the league maybe new year, everybody, man,

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<v Speaker 4>not a surprise they won.

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<v Speaker 7>I just I don't know. It's just always funny how

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<v Speaker 7>we do episode numbers is what do.

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<v Speaker 2>We end up with?

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, we ended up with one hundred and five.

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<v Speaker 4>You good, one hundred and five, a little less than

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<v Speaker 4>we did last year. So we have to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 7>These guys have disappear.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to say, we did like one seventeen last year,

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<v Speaker 4>So we got to ask their conversations about that. See

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<v Speaker 4>how we can get that back up. I'm sure the

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<v Speaker 4>listeners out there like yeah, I know it's been a problem.

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<v Speaker 4>So we'll figure.

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<v Speaker 2>Out other podcast you can look at to stop it.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not going to promote all your other podcasts, twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Of them, The Draft Show, the Draft Show, yeah, Drash Show.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you could definitely go check out the Draft.

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<v Speaker 2>Botch and I have a show together. You can do

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<v Speaker 2>that too, I'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Do Okay, okay, free agency. We'll talk free agency. I

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<v Speaker 4>do want to first start. I want to get just

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<v Speaker 4>in a general just your general thoughts on free agency.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not talking about even the Cowboys specifically, just the

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<v Speaker 4>first couple of days of free agency across the NFL.

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<v Speaker 4>Anything pop out to you, anything interesting to you worth noting.

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<v Speaker 8>You said across the NFL CROs the.

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<v Speaker 4>NFL just in a free agency this year, the tone

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<v Speaker 4>of it.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I think you look at the Niners and then

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<v Speaker 9>them kind of blowing up that roster in a way,

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<v Speaker 9>I think that's I think that's a fascinating, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>situation that's happened there Philadelphia. Yeah, they've lost some guys too,

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<v Speaker 9>but at San Francisco really looks like they are just

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<v Speaker 9>getting ready to pay this quarterback and they're getting rid

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<v Speaker 9>of all the extra pieces that they don't feel like

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<v Speaker 9>they'll need so, I mean, whether it's letting Joey or

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<v Speaker 9>not Joey Bosa, letting Kyle Yustchuk go, who's a guy

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<v Speaker 9>who's been one of their culture blocker room leaders for

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<v Speaker 9>a long time, or trading Deebo Samuel or letting Sharvarius

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<v Speaker 9>Ward or Talifo Haufanga go. I mean players, Yeah, a

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<v Speaker 9>lot of talented players on both sides of the ball.

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<v Speaker 9>San Francisco has gone from man, they're gonna have a

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<v Speaker 9>luxury to pick whoever they want at eleven too, man,

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<v Speaker 9>they might need to pick for need at eleven. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>that's been the thing that probably stod outs to me

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<v Speaker 9>the most. I don't think there's anything too surprising about,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, certain free agents landing with certain teams. It

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<v Speaker 9>really doesn't matter until the preseason or season comes around

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<v Speaker 9>and then you can kind of evaluate it. I think

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<v Speaker 9>DeVante Adams so the RAMS is fun, But aside from that,

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<v Speaker 9>I don't I don't really buy into the man, this

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<v Speaker 9>free agent's gonna help them win the Super Bowl ordeal

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<v Speaker 9>until until.

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<v Speaker 8>We get to the season.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate free agency.

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<v Speaker 8>Is it because you're here?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's because he's a draft guy. I hate, I hate, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I hate what they they've done with it. When when

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Pro personnel, there was Derek said, Episode one.

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<v Speaker 2>Today was a day we started free agency. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the first day of the league year. I hate this

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<v Speaker 2>tampering period. I hate this because to me, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>we used to meet, we put a board together, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we would talk about what players we were going after,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when it was twelve oh one, you went

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<v Speaker 2>and did free agency. Now it's like three days and then,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it really takes kind of the luster away

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<v Speaker 2>from it. From a standpoint of covering it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I like the build up, like the day of when

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<v Speaker 2>free agent, when when the league years started and you're

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<v Speaker 2>able to Boom and Jacksonville and the Rams and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was doing stuff. And now it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>anti climactic the way that this thing is rolling along.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're now you're kind of into like tier four,

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<v Speaker 2>Tier five of players maybe five and six, whereas before,

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<v Speaker 2>uh and it sounds very back of the day to me.

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<v Speaker 2>But I hate it. I hate the fact that they

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<v Speaker 2>have this tampering period. The tampering period was going to

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<v Speaker 2>the combine and walking around and then tampering with guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when the season of the season, the new

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<v Speaker 2>season opened, then you heard all these names. I just

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't like the build up. I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like the fact that it there's that tampering period before.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it just takes away from how much I

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<v Speaker 2>really really did enjoy it one time.

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<v Speaker 7>Pre agency to me, this year has been completely different

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<v Speaker 7>in my experience because and this is all personal, but

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<v Speaker 7>I personally, for personal reasons, have stopped using Twitter or

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<v Speaker 7>x so a lot of the toxicity and just crazy

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<v Speaker 7>things that because it happens a lot where fans start

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<v Speaker 7>creating this content that is not real and just you know,

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of fake news things that fans create on

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<v Speaker 7>their own, and a lot of criticism. So I haven't

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<v Speaker 7>been consuming some of that, most of that. It's not

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<v Speaker 7>part of my life right now. So it's just been

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<v Speaker 7>an easy unless something drastic happens, something crazy, because a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of the things that currently happen during the stage

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<v Speaker 7>is fans start comparing what the Cowboys are doing not doing,

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<v Speaker 7>versus what other teams have been doing or have done

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<v Speaker 7>in the previous years. So that just taking in I

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<v Speaker 7>think in comparison to previous years too, I feel like

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<v Speaker 7>the we've been a little busier this year when it

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<v Speaker 7>comes to those external signings as far as the timeline

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<v Speaker 7>usually takes the Cowboys a couple of days, and then

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<v Speaker 7>we started hearing of those external signings, but now before

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<v Speaker 7>the official date, which is today, we started hearing yesterday

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<v Speaker 7>the day before, which doesn't tend to occur because I

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<v Speaker 7>have to create those graphics and put things together, put

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<v Speaker 7>it out. So I think the difference there I've noticed

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<v Speaker 7>from the Cowboys aspect is even though these have not

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<v Speaker 7>been groundbreaking signings, they're still making moves a lot earlier

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<v Speaker 7>than what they're used to.

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<v Speaker 4>That is true. I think typically we've all gotten accustomed

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<v Speaker 4>to that first week, those first few days of trip

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<v Speaker 4>free agency, the Cowboys really not being a part of

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<v Speaker 4>that unless they're signing their own guys. They do have

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<v Speaker 4>several signings that they've made this week, again not groundbreaking

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<v Speaker 4>by any means, and I think we talked about this

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<v Speaker 4>on our last show. I don't think any of us

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<v Speaker 4>had the expectation the Cowboys are going to be out

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<v Speaker 4>there just throwing money around in free agency. The expectation

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<v Speaker 4>was that maybe they get a couple guys here and

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<v Speaker 4>there that they thought maybe could help them and fill spots.

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<v Speaker 4>And it sounds like maybe we're going to get into

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<v Speaker 4>some scattering reports here later in the show, but it

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<v Speaker 4>sounds like maybe they may have gotten some guys who

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<v Speaker 4>can be depth pieces. The way I look at this

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<v Speaker 4>is maybe they're restoring some of what they lost last

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<v Speaker 4>year when it came to depth. I don't know that

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<v Speaker 4>they brought in any guys you expect immediately are going

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<v Speaker 4>to step in and be great players for you, but

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<v Speaker 4>maybe some of that depth you lost last offseason is

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<v Speaker 4>going to be restored a bit, and then maybe you

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<v Speaker 4>can use through the draft you can kind of fix

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<v Speaker 4>some of this as well. Let's talk about the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 4>list of free agents. Some of the guys that they've

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<v Speaker 4>re signed to this point, They've they've resigned Olso Diggi Zua,

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<v Speaker 4>who we talked about last week. Cavante Turpin just happened yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>That was I think another important signing for them. They

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<v Speaker 4>also had signed brock Hoffman, Jane Thomas, she did good

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<v Speaker 4>when Brian Anger happens yesterday, Trent Sieve, Marquise Bell, Tyros

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<v Speaker 4>Sweet again, a lot of players that are that are

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<v Speaker 4>really more depth players not really thinking about starters. Other

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<v Speaker 4>than Osa and Cavante are more the starter types. That

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<v Speaker 4>being said, look at the other side of the special

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<v Speaker 4>team group, right, the whole special teams group is back,

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<v Speaker 4>which you know. Actually I'll ask that question because I

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<v Speaker 4>was I thought they would probably try to get Trent

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<v Speaker 4>Seeg back, because when you have a good long snapper,

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<v Speaker 4>you just try to keep him in place. It's no

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<v Speaker 4>reason to go and try to find it.

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<v Speaker 2>It starts.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But my question is Brian Anger, and I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what your thoughts are, but tell me what you

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<v Speaker 4>thought of his play this last year relative to how

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<v Speaker 4>he's played in years past, and whether you thought this

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<v Speaker 4>was a good signing for the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 2>Any thoughts on punters.

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<v Speaker 9>I you know, I think there was a little bit

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<v Speaker 9>of a regress. Yeah, I don't think it's a huge ordeal. Yes,

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<v Speaker 9>he's thirty six, and yes you have him for two

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<v Speaker 9>more years. He's going to be thirty eight by the

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<v Speaker 9>time he walks out that door. But I think keeping

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<v Speaker 9>consistency for Brandon Aubrey is probably the most important thing here,

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<v Speaker 9>and he's the holder for He's the only NFL holder

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<v Speaker 9>that Brandon Aubrey has known. I think that's more important

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<v Speaker 9>than the quote unquote regress that he had last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, you only notice it when you're really

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<v Speaker 2>bad on offense. Then you notice that, like, okay, why

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<v Speaker 2>is why are teams feel positioned much better? And there

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<v Speaker 2>was a time when you can really count on Brian Anger.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be backed up and then he'd done cork

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<v Speaker 2>a fifty four yard punt with you know, towards the

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<v Speaker 2>sidelines and you know, and then there would be no

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<v Speaker 2>return and now you flip the field a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>in your direction. We saw that far less from him

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<v Speaker 2>last year on that it was not not as many

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<v Speaker 2>of those punts where you're like, okay, he clearly changed

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<v Speaker 2>the direction of where this team is about to start

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<v Speaker 2>their drive. So you know, it's something you really like.

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<v Speaker 2>I say, you notice it when teams field positioned after

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<v Speaker 2>a punt. And you also notice it though when also

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<v Speaker 2>then the returners are bringing the ball back on you. You

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<v Speaker 2>know that maybe that there's some short punts they're able

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<v Speaker 2>to field them. He's done a really good job in

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<v Speaker 2>his career with the cow Boys of being a directional punter.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that's something that I'll always appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>about with his game. But you know, it's something that

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see as much last year where he was

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<v Speaker 2>on cork and those those punts that kind of flipped fields.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I understand why you post a question, Derek, But

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<v Speaker 7>just like that, Yeah, he had some hiccups, but overall

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<v Speaker 7>not enough for you to not want to bring him back.

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<v Speaker 7>And just like Nick mentioned the importance he brings to

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<v Speaker 7>Brian Brandon, Aubrey and Aubrey, he in an interview that

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<v Speaker 7>he did, he voiced that opinion where he would want

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<v Speaker 7>both him and uh see Trent Seek. I can never

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<v Speaker 7>say his last name, but Trent. He would want both

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<v Speaker 7>of them to come back. And it is important to

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<v Speaker 7>and when you see what these guys are doing, I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>the chemistry between those three guys and Aubrey and Anger

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<v Speaker 7>is just something that you you don't want to break.

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<v Speaker 7>It keeps out continuity. I can't even say continuity whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>he just stays the same and it's good. And I

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<v Speaker 7>think also when you see those hiccups with a new coach,

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<v Speaker 7>I think the coach is always a believer that they

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<v Speaker 7>can change any improved player, So I think that's the

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<v Speaker 7>idea behind that as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so looking at the two, I think the most

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<v Speaker 4>important signings that the Cowboys have had of keeping their

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<v Speaker 4>own guys Osa and Interpin. Which do you think was

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<v Speaker 4>a more important deal to get done for this team?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 9>So for sure bringing him back and having that pass

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<v Speaker 9>rush come out of the interior, especially with a defensive

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<v Speaker 9>line coach like Aaron Whitecotton who has maximized interior pass

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<v Speaker 9>rush throughout his time with the New York Jets. So

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<v Speaker 9>when you combine that with what Matt E Reflus is

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<v Speaker 9>trying to do with that three tech spot, how he

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<v Speaker 9>has done that with the entirety of his career. Bringing

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<v Speaker 9>Osa back and getting him back on that team friendly

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<v Speaker 9>deal certainly helps out. I think more in Turpin helps out,

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<v Speaker 9>But I think you know his offensive output is going

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<v Speaker 9>to be limited even if you do, even if you

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<v Speaker 9>do put an emphasis on getting him more involved. How

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<v Speaker 9>valuable is a returner at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 9>And I'm not trying to speak down on Cavante Turpin.

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<v Speaker 9>He's the best returner in the game, and I think

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<v Speaker 9>it's value to bring him back as the Commanders. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>for sure, one hundred percent, But how valuable really is

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<v Speaker 9>is a returner at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 8>I just don't see it as much as a three

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<v Speaker 8>tech for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a couple of different ways. And I've

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<v Speaker 2>been very very critical of this front office for some

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<v Speaker 2>of the signings that they've had or lack of, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give him credit for this one. They did a

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<v Speaker 2>great job of working with this agent and getting osa

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<v Speaker 2>done for under if you follow along where the money

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<v Speaker 2>went for twenty million dollars a year, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>have other defensive tackles signing for twenty six twenty seven

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars. What it effectively did by getting this deal done,

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<v Speaker 2>you got a player back that really really helped you

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<v Speaker 2>last year, one of the better defensive players you had

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<v Speaker 2>him and Jordan Lewis. But it also allows you to

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<v Speaker 2>go out and sign two guys. You were able to

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<v Speaker 2>sign Solomon Thomas and you're able to to sign Peyton

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<v Speaker 2>Turner as well with the money that you saved there.

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<v Speaker 2>So you basically got three players for the price of

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<v Speaker 2>what you probably were going to have to pay. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>so Diggy Zua, So you know, good for them getting

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<v Speaker 2>that done. On that end, I'll say this about Turpin.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't sign him just to be a returner. Here.

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<v Speaker 2>This is now eleven personnel stuff. He is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a part of that. He's you know, whether you

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<v Speaker 2>liked it or not, he showed up. There were times

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<v Speaker 2>when you know he was. They put him in the

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<v Speaker 2>backfield and handed him the ball and there was explosive plays,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and you could steal with the pop passes,

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<v Speaker 2>the jet sweeps, the screens and stuff. This guy's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be your third wide receiver. He's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>an eleven personnel. He's not going to be just a

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<v Speaker 2>returner anymore. I think this coaching staff is going to

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<v Speaker 2>use him in that way. So I don't look at

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<v Speaker 2>him as just that returner. But I like what the

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<v Speaker 2>Cowboys did by getting Osa done because I think it

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<v Speaker 2>also afforded him a couple of other players along the way.

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<v Speaker 7>See with my answer, it's kind of weird the way

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<v Speaker 7>I'm going to But for me, Osa has a higher ceiling.

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<v Speaker 7>Like I feel like with Osa, I still have a

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<v Speaker 7>lot more to see. I think he can do a

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<v Speaker 7>lot more that's more impactful, especially on defense. And that's

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<v Speaker 7>not to say Cavante doesn't have a lot more that

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<v Speaker 7>he can bring to the table. In fact, I do

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<v Speaker 7>think he does, but based on the previous coaching staff

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<v Speaker 7>and the opportunities that he has been given, I think

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<v Speaker 7>that it never quite fully works out. And I'm saying

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<v Speaker 7>in the way for you to maximize his potential. Now

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<v Speaker 7>you have a completely different coaching staff at the moment,

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<v Speaker 7>so maybe there's a change in that where we can

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<v Speaker 7>see him progress in other areas, just like Brian mentioned,

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<v Speaker 7>but based on previous years, I think right now, I

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<v Speaker 7>feel that Osa has a lot more to give in

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<v Speaker 7>a more impactful way when on the defensive side.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, let's take our first break. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to talk about some of the players that

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<v Speaker 4>Dallas has lost from their previous from their twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 4>four roster, and them some of those players may have

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<v Speaker 4>let's talk about some of the guys that cowboys have lost.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the biggest one is Jordan Lewis. I made

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<v Speaker 4>it clear last week that after they signed OS, I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, this is the next guy I really really

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<v Speaker 4>want them to bring back. But the deal that he got,

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<v Speaker 4>it was it was probably something the Cowboys wouldn't or

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't pay, and certainly was something he couldn't pass up.

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<v Speaker 4>A three year, thirty million dollar deal with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty million of that guaranteed heck of a haul for him.

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<v Speaker 4>That being said, what do you think of the deal

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<v Speaker 4>and do you think it was something the Cowboys maybe

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<v Speaker 4>should have entertained spending that much money on a nickel corner.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't want to get into the weeds of financially

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<v Speaker 9>because yes, they financially could afford it, But then talk

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<v Speaker 9>about X that that'd be a whole conversation there. I say,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, looking at the ten million dollars per year,

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<v Speaker 9>making him the richest nickel in the NFL, I understand

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<v Speaker 9>why the Cowboys maybe could have passed on a on

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<v Speaker 9>a contract like that. Granted, there is probably no other

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<v Speaker 9>guy in that locker room you would like to retain

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<v Speaker 9>more than him, so you also factor that in. And

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<v Speaker 9>I did a radio call with a guy in Jacksonville

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<v Speaker 9>after the signing happened, and he was asking me. He's like, so,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, what is the full package Jordan Lewis? You know,

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<v Speaker 9>not only on the field and off the field. And

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<v Speaker 9>as I was starting to talk about all the things

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<v Speaker 9>he's contributed off the field from a locker room perspective,

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<v Speaker 9>shoot from a media perspective, community perspective, I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 9>this is a big loss and the new factor in

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<v Speaker 9>the on play on the field play. He had his

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<v Speaker 9>best season in twenty twenty four. But when this three

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<v Speaker 9>year contract is up, he's going to be well into

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<v Speaker 9>his thirties. He's gonna be thirty three, I believe when

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<v Speaker 9>he hits free agency again, if that contract runs all

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<v Speaker 9>the way through, and if you're paying ten million dollars

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<v Speaker 9>for a guy that's thirty two years old, you know

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<v Speaker 9>a few years from now at that nickel spot, that's

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<v Speaker 9>a tough position to have longevity at. So I understand it,

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<v Speaker 9>but man, that is a tough loss for the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 9>That was a guy that I know that they wanted

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<v Speaker 9>to retain, just probably not at that price and definitely

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<v Speaker 9>not at that length.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of things happened here. I don't think they

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<v Speaker 2>expected to lose him. You know, if you look, if

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<v Speaker 2>you go back and you kind of study some of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that were done leading up to free agency.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen lists of top seventy five free agents, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>top one hundred free agents. Jordan Lewis wasn't on a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of those lists. Now there's the problem. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of pro personnel guys are watching tape. They're watching your

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<v Speaker 2>team play. So you didn't see Jordan Lewis on that

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<v Speaker 2>list by media person by media people, but you damn

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<v Speaker 2>well knew that Jordan Lewis and the pro personnel circles

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<v Speaker 2>teams knew where Jordan Lewis was. You know, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the better players you had when things were going awful.

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Lewis. He was the one guy that could sit

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<v Speaker 2>in this film room behind me when they were going

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<v Speaker 2>breaking down the game and he could be proud about

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<v Speaker 2>the way he played. I don't think there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of guys that could say that every week, but he could.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's not surprising to me that he signed

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere else. I think this one caught Dallas by surprise

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, though, I thought maybe that they were

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<v Speaker 2>going to feel like that they were going to get

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<v Speaker 2>him back. But you know Jacksonville, you know cap Space,

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<v Speaker 2>new coach, new things going on down there. It's too

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<v Speaker 2>good of an offer for Jordan Lewis to pass. And

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<v Speaker 2>congratulate to him because on and off the field, he's

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<v Speaker 2>the one guy that and Ambar likes to talk about this,

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<v Speaker 2>he is the one guy that survived everybody that doubted him.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the one guy standing at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day. Everybody else who doubted him is no longer here,

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<v Speaker 2>and so good for him forgetting that deal.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you can only root for a guy like that,

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<v Speaker 7>And congratulations to him and what he was able to get.

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<v Speaker 7>And I've never been in a lot of these contract negotiations,

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<v Speaker 7>negotiations obviously in the NFL, but I would assume that

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<v Speaker 7>the way it works, it's like, Hey, this team is

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<v Speaker 7>offering me this, What can you offer me? Can you

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<v Speaker 7>match the offer? Can you give me more?

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<v Speaker 12>Like?

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<v Speaker 7>Where are we at? If you don't meet that, then

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<v Speaker 7>obviously you go the highest bid. And I think this

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<v Speaker 7>is what happened. At the same time, I've heard the

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<v Speaker 7>Cowboys discuss this multiple times in the way they handle

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<v Speaker 7>certain things where it's like, Okay, you can get this

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<v Speaker 7>player for X amount of money, or you can get

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<v Speaker 7>this other player, this other player, that other player, three

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<v Speaker 7>more players that can add depth in other positions that

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<v Speaker 7>are clearly needed. And that's the way that I think

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<v Speaker 7>how I see it is what happened here. They saw

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<v Speaker 7>more value, not that they don't see the value in Jordan,

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<v Speaker 7>but at this time they just saw more value in

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<v Speaker 7>spreading their money around and adding depth in other positions

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<v Speaker 7>that are clearly needed on the team right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think we all agree this would have been

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<v Speaker 4>a difficult deal for Dallas to do in some respects,

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<v Speaker 4>But the reality is, when you look at what's left,

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<v Speaker 4>it took a position that was already a bit challenged

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<v Speaker 4>and made it maybe the position that's most challenged on

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<v Speaker 4>this team right now. You look at Trayvon Diggs, he's

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<v Speaker 4>out hurt and don't really know exactly when he's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be back. The suspicion is maybe you have him

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<v Speaker 4>back by the season, but that's not a guarantee. And

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<v Speaker 4>then you got de Ron Bland. You've got Kayln Carson,

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<v Speaker 4>who last year they kind of threw in the fire,

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<v Speaker 4>probably a little early because they had to because of injuries.

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<v Speaker 4>And we'll see how much he develops. But based on

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<v Speaker 4>all that, where do you say, how much do you

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<v Speaker 4>think this has impacted Dallas And has this become for

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<v Speaker 4>you a position where they really now maybe in a

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<v Speaker 4>really really tough position.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to the point where you would look at it

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<v Speaker 2>at twelve, I think that I think there's a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of guys in play here. You know, we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>it here at the break a little bit, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think you do have to keep an eye on Will

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson from Michigan, the corner there. You know, there are

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<v Speaker 2>some there's some corners in this draft that are outstanding players,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of them coming off injuries. Some of the

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<v Speaker 2>top ones. If you talk about Revel from East Carolina,

0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:52.479
<v Speaker 2>Morrison from Notre Dame. You know you don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>forty yard dash time on Will Johnson. He's got a

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<v Speaker 2>hamstring problem that he's dealing with. April fourteenth is that day.

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<v Speaker 2>There there's a lot of questions about these corners at

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<v Speaker 2>the top of this board. And I even even if

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<v Speaker 2>they would assigned Jordan Lewis, I think corner was still

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<v Speaker 2>in play. Defensive tackle, corner, running back wide receiver. Just

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<v Speaker 2>take your pick. Uh So, yeah, I I I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that's changed at all for them.

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<v Speaker 9>Your only healthy cornerbacks on the roster right now, as

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<v Speaker 9>we said today, are Deron Bland, Andrew Booth, Junior, Keemon Hall,

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<v Speaker 9>and Kayln Carson. And if the season were to start today,

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<v Speaker 9>you'd probably be starting Andrew Booth or Keemon Hall.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, we're glad the season isn't starting.

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<v Speaker 8>Very glad day one of the of the league, League

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<v Speaker 8>year and happy year. We still got six months.

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<v Speaker 9>But yeah, it's a they're they're gonna have to address

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<v Speaker 9>corner and they can't only just do it in the draft.

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<v Speaker 9>They need to go get a guy in free agency

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<v Speaker 9>as well. They need to go get a body there,

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<v Speaker 9>a veteran body. Bring in somebody that can compete for

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<v Speaker 9>a starting job, whether that be on the outside or

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<v Speaker 9>the inside. Losing Jordan Lewis, you do have a little

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<v Speaker 9>bit of flexibility in this since that Deron Bland has

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<v Speaker 9>played inside going back to his rookie year. But if

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<v Speaker 9>you're asking Deron Bland, I bet you he's gonna want

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<v Speaker 9>to stick on the outside because the money's better there.

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<v Speaker 2>The the compensatory picks were announced this I'm sure Derek's

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<v Speaker 2>going to go through that all the fifth round picks.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to make a prediction Dallas is going to

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<v Speaker 2>look in the trade market, much like they did with

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<v Speaker 2>with Gilmore and Cooks. With those fives, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>three of them. Yeah, they're going to look at and

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<v Speaker 2>they got that. You know, they got a six too,

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<v Speaker 2>But they're going to I think that they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>and those picks are all kind of back to back

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<v Speaker 2>to each other if you look at it, So keep

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<v Speaker 2>an eye on. I think Dallas is exploring adding a

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<v Speaker 2>player through trade like they did earlier, like well actually

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years ago with Gilmore and Cooks.

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<v Speaker 4>What are your thoughts on guys like a Sante Samuel

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<v Speaker 4>Junior Russell Douglas. These are two cornerbacks that are still

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<v Speaker 4>available right now in free agency. Would you look at

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<v Speaker 4>either of those two guys or do you really think

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<v Speaker 4>this is going to have to come from either a

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<v Speaker 4>players on another roster or the draft.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm more of a Rasoul Douglas guy. If we're looking

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<v Speaker 8>at both of those.

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<v Speaker 9>Saute Samuel has had some issues in the past defending

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<v Speaker 9>the run, and I don't want two corners that can't

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<v Speaker 9>defend the run. Has also had some issues and playing,

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<v Speaker 9>Man Press, I want a physical corner if I'm going

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<v Speaker 9>to go out and spend money on one. That's why

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<v Speaker 9>I'm more of a Rossul Douglas guy. Granted he is older,

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<v Speaker 9>but I think you do need a veteran in that room.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I and they might not take Samuel because of

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<v Speaker 2>his his way. He's built. He's a smaller guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Reason why he's not great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean there, man Press, all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>you're starting to talk about you know, now you have

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<v Speaker 2>to look. Will McLay is very specific about what he's

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<v Speaker 2>looking at for these corners. So there's some guys on

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:39.600
<v Speaker 2>this list. I mean, we've talked about Baron from Texas. Gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>what a great player, but he might not fit the

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<v Speaker 2>metrics that you're looking at with this with this front office.

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:48.439
<v Speaker 2>So you know that that eliminates one right there that

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<v Speaker 2>me personally, man, I this kid reminds me of Trent

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<v Speaker 2>McDuffie from the from the Kansas City. The way he plays,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be. But if you don't like Trent McDuffie,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what I can do for you.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going to be I saw him comp to Brian

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<v Speaker 4>Branch and I was like, yeah, bring you another Brian.

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.679
<v Speaker 2>I think actually that Brian Branch is I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you could play Barren as that linebacker kind of thing.

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Could you see Branch play down a lot? But man

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<v Speaker 2>a very good player.

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.160
<v Speaker 4>And they moving around the Texas moving around the secondary

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<v Speaker 4>a ton. He has flexibility as position. Sure, you can

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<v Speaker 4>do a lot of different things.

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<v Speaker 7>I think I was just gonna say, don't be surprised

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.280
<v Speaker 7>if we do actually see some kind of trade happening

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<v Speaker 7>for that position, because absolutely at the moment, and just

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:35.280
<v Speaker 7>like you said, Nick, this has to happen before the draft,

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<v Speaker 7>because even if you're looking to, let's say, draft a corner,

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<v Speaker 7>you still based on everything that the Cowboys always say,

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<v Speaker 7>they want to be able to feel good enough on

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<v Speaker 7>every position or most positions prior to getting into the

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<v Speaker 7>draft so that they're not fully forced to draft a

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<v Speaker 7>certain player and that they can go more of the

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<v Speaker 7>best player available approach. But yeah, don't be surprised for

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<v Speaker 7>some trades happening in the near future.

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<v Speaker 9>A couple of quotes last week from Jerry and Steven

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<v Speaker 9>Jones about the idea of a trade. This is from

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<v Speaker 9>after the Zach Martin presser. Jerry Jones says that draft

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<v Speaker 9>picks this time of year at our premium and could

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 9>be used a lot more in a trade. He said

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<v Speaker 9>the team has the quote bait out on trade possibilities,

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<v Speaker 9>but will wait for other teams to come to them

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<v Speaker 9>and then Stephen Jones later on, when asked about big

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<v Speaker 9>names floating around the trade market, he said, we're looking

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<v Speaker 9>for what fits and what works for us. Big Names,

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<v Speaker 9>in my mind, aren't always the answer. Big names don't

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<v Speaker 9>always pan out as well. But then he went into

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 9>describing Saquon Barkley and that being a big name that

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<v Speaker 9>worked out for Philadelphia. But I think this team is

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<v Speaker 9>certainly looking at trade possibility. Stephen Jones mentioned in Indianapolis,

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<v Speaker 9>when you have ten draft picks, you can certainly use

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<v Speaker 9>one or two on getting a veteran.

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<v Speaker 4>WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, Let's talk about Chauncey

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<v Speaker 4>GOLs and he signs with the New York Giants three

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<v Speaker 4>year deal nineteen point five million. I guess my biggest question,

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<v Speaker 4>and we're gonna get to Solomon Thomas in a minute

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<v Speaker 4>when we talk about some of the guys they've played.

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<v Speaker 4>But when I saw this, this signing, it made me think, well,

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<v Speaker 4>did the Cowboys get that they got a guy who's

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<v Speaker 4>versatile on the defensive line. Did they get a guy

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<v Speaker 4>who is essentially a Chauncey Golston type player with a

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<v Speaker 4>little more experience, maybe a little more aware on the tires,

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<v Speaker 4>but a little more experience, but that kind of player.

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<v Speaker 9>I think he's kind of the inverse of Chauncey Golston

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<v Speaker 9>in the sense of more defensive, more defensive tackle, and

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<v Speaker 9>I think he was forced at times to go to

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<v Speaker 9>end and it never really panned out for him in

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<v Speaker 9>my eyes, at least at two ninety five.

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<v Speaker 8>Put that guy inside this.

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<v Speaker 9>This Chauncey Golston signing is interesting to me just because

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<v Speaker 9>I feel like, when you look at this Giants roster, yes,

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<v Speaker 9>he's gonna get playing time, but are we are we

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 9>sure he's going to get as much playing time as

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 9>he would if he had returned to Dallas. And for

0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 9>a six and a half million dollar price tag, this

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 9>was one that was just so prizing to me. Stayed

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 9>in division for a price I figured would have been higher.

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 9>I thought he would have been closer to ten million, honestly,

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 9>but he fell at the six and a half mark.

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 9>It was six and a half per year, right, yeah, right, yep.

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 9>It's this one was surprising to me.

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:16.760
<v Speaker 8>It really was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I the thing that this is gonna sound terrible.

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 2>I think this is on the player. And I mean

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:27.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean on the player, meaning on the player. But

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 2>I guess I could put some blame on the Cowboys

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 2>in previous regime. They never figured out a spot for

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 2>this guy, you know. He It's like we were always

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of waiting for him. Is he an end? Is

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 2>he a tackle? Everybody kind of had their their idea.

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Like we were training camp and you would see him

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>playing outside and you're like, why is he playing outside?

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>He needs to play inside, And then they playim in. It's like, oh, well,

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, he starts playing well, you know,

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 2>and you just kind of wonder, like it's very reminiscent

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 2>of what we saw with Tyron Crawford's career, where he

0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 2>was like they didn't know is he a three technique?

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Is he an end, what is this guy? So the player,

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 2>the player just struggled with that. I mean, this year

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 2>was probably the best year you've ever seen him play.

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 2>But is that because the front office and the coaching

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 2>staff couldn't figure out a spot for him. I think

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:17.759
<v Speaker 2>that it was one of those things. It's probably too late.

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 2>If he would have played, if he would have played

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 2>like this two years ago, maybe you do have an

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 2>extension here. Maybe and I'm blaming him, but yeah, I

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:29.840
<v Speaker 2>guess you need to blame the coaching staff in the

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:33.239
<v Speaker 2>front office because nobody ever figured out where this guy

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.399
<v Speaker 2>needed to play. And so yeah, and I think that's

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 2>why you see the contract the way it is. You know,

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 2>this are some questions, Wow, could he have stayed? And sure,

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 2>but I think there's still there was like, wow, he

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 2>only played, only did this for one year, so we

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:49.799
<v Speaker 2>were always waiting for him. He was going to be

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:55.319
<v Speaker 2>the Tank Lawrence replacement guy. It just never materialized that way.

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:57.840
<v Speaker 2>It's on the player, and it's on the front office

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 2>and the coaching staff for not figuring out quickly enough

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:02.840
<v Speaker 2>where he where he needed to be.

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 9>And just to clarify my point really quick, it's not

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 9>necessarily a surprise that he departed Dallas.

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 8>I think I expected that.

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.760
<v Speaker 9>The surprise is how it came about staying in division

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 9>for that type of a price and going to a

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:17.879
<v Speaker 9>team where there are a lot of edge bodies, so

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 9>you would have to think that maybe he would be

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 9>factored into their interior defensive line situation.

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they don't know where to play him and they're

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 2>giving him six and a half million times.

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.479
<v Speaker 7>Let me ask you guys this because you mentioned that,

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.400
<v Speaker 7>you mentioned Crawford as well, and I know there's been

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 7>a number of guys that you always find yourself having

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.319
<v Speaker 7>the same type of situation, where is he this or

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 7>is it that? Is that just kind of by default

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 7>of what happens in the roster in the roster that

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 7>you're always going to have a guy that kind of

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:50.759
<v Speaker 7>plays that role that you're uncertain of what they're gonna be.

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 2>This team's had a lot of think about some of

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 2>the draft picks that they've had in the secondary that

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 2>they couldn't figure out if there were corners the day

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:01.240
<v Speaker 2>with Dan Byron Jones, couldn't figure out if Byron Jones

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 2>was a corner or safety. You know, they didn't draft

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 2>they didn't our guy that uh that uh in the

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Zeke draft. Uh, the corner from Florida State at the time,

0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 2>the safety that uh whom I mean the same draft

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:16.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen draft Florida.

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 8>I'm as well, Blake and on the.

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 2>It's the corner, the big time corner. Why do I

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 2>can't remember damn names when I need to remember names.

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 2>But it's it's with with the with the Rams the Dolphins.

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 2>He's playing with the Dolphins now. Jalen Ramsey, Jayalen Ramsey.

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 4>God, sorry a Cowboys Jack. No, I'm syah.

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 2>It was a twenty sixteen draft. They couldn't figure out

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 2>where to play Damn Jalen Ramsey. They couldn't. It's a corners.

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:41.200
<v Speaker 2>You say, well, we need to take Zeke. Well wait

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 2>a minute, you got this guy, you know they see

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 2>this is an issue. When you don't have an understanding

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:51.760
<v Speaker 2>of where your guy needs to be and you don't

0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 2>have a plan for him or an understanding of him,

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 2>then what happens is you might have him and then

0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 2>he goes off somewhere else and you're like, wow, that

0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.359
<v Speaker 2>was that was a loss right there Byron Jones. I mean,

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 2>I know he went off to Miami and it didn't

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 2>work out great for him. But Byron Jones, all of

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:08.840
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, he's playing corner. No way, he's playing safety?

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Is he? What is he? And see, that's the uncertainty

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 2>of your roster. I think that affects the way that

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 2>you build your team. And unfortunately for some of these

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 2>players like Chauncey Golston, I think that you developed Chauncey Golston.

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 2>He should probably still be here playing. But that's on him,

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.399
<v Speaker 2>and that's on the coaches for not getting it done.

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 9>I think that's a product also of it's one of

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 9>the k I'm sorry, it's one of the cons of

0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:39.319
<v Speaker 9>this of the scouting department seeking out versatile players, and

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 9>I honestly think it is a correct approach and it's

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:44.920
<v Speaker 9>go find guys with versatility that can give you an

0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 9>impact in multiple spots. I mean, let's look at the

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 9>roster right now. Guys that they have toyed around with

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 9>in multiple spots. Tyler Smith, awesome, Richards. We've talked about

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 9>the idea of Cooper BB. They have talked about the

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:56.799
<v Speaker 9>idea of Cooper BB. Obviously it hadn't happened on the

0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 9>defense side of the ball. Michael Parsons We've seen that

0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:01.520
<v Speaker 9>get moved around to Ron Bland in some instances.

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:02.760
<v Speaker 8>Israel Mukuamu.

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:05.359
<v Speaker 9>That's that is one of the cons when you run

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.400
<v Speaker 9>into a situation like Chauncey Golson where you're trying to

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 9>force it at maybe a spot where he's not as

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 9>natural at But I take I would take the wins

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.920
<v Speaker 9>on the flip side of that, the wins of Tyler Smith,

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:16.360
<v Speaker 9>the wins of Michael Parsons.

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 2>They won't play Tyler Smith at tackle.

0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 8>They fight you and it makes the run.

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 2>They will fight you to play Tyler Smith at tackled.

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 2>They will fight you about Yeah, they won't do it.

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:28.320
<v Speaker 2>So is that flexibility or do they They've come to

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 2>their senses like if we move this guy, we're gonna

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:33.440
<v Speaker 2>hurt him. Is that is that? Is that really what

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 2>it is?

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 4>Honestly, I think they've seen at this point that he

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 4>is a all pro guard and they're like, there's no

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:42.839
<v Speaker 4>point to move him back, Like you already know he's

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 4>an all pro guard. Don't take a chance with will

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 4>he be an all all pro center? I mean all

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.400
<v Speaker 4>pro tackle? We know he's an all pro guard. Keep

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 4>him at at God's.

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:51.799
<v Speaker 8>Trimate center too. Let's see right right now.

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I wonder I wonder if if like the thought about

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Cooper BB. You know, could Cooper BB be your right guard?

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:00.759
<v Speaker 2>And I wonder what coach Riley coming in here with

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 2>the idea of like, wow, you know what I didn't

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 2>think about playing I mean, I just played in MC

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 2>guard when I was in Kansas State. Man, this guy

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 2>was a damn good guard. Wow. Yeah he plays center

0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:14.400
<v Speaker 2>this well? Okay, so you know there needs to be uh.

0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 2>To me, I used to think in like Nick, I

0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 2>used to think, like you, that position flex was this

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:24.640
<v Speaker 2>great blessing. It's not. It's a curse because what happens

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 2>is you don't play the you don't figure out the player,

0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 2>the player's position quick enough. You just like, well, he

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:34.520
<v Speaker 2>could do this, he could do that position flex.

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 7>In theory sounds good.

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 2>It theory, it sounds great.

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 9>So they bring in Tyler Smith as a tackle. That's

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.319
<v Speaker 9>that's what he's drafted at. Yeah, and they just never

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 9>give him the opportunity at guard. You would have you

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 9>would you would have been okay with that.

0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Lie. I was surprised. I honestly though, I was. To me,

0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:51.839
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he had to play guard was because

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:54.920
<v Speaker 2>of Tyron Smith. You know, I mean, if Tyron Smith's

0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:57.400
<v Speaker 2>not here, he's he's probably gonna be here. He's starting

0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 2>left tackle. Tyron Smith got hurt, he played well enough

0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 2>to be your starting tackle going forward, you know. And

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:05.839
<v Speaker 2>that's and then all of a sudden, Tyron Smith comes back,

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:06.799
<v Speaker 2>and what they have to do. They had to put

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 2>him back at.

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 4>Guard, and then they find out he's an All Pro guard.

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 4>They kepn there. Like that's the point though, Like I

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:13.160
<v Speaker 4>think that's what Nick is saying, is that that level

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:17.240
<v Speaker 4>of flexibility is what got him to the guard position,

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 4>because I.

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Think it was that of necessity is what that was

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:24.280
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he played tackle at Tulsa. Okay, fine,

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 2>but to me play these guys where they where you

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:29.760
<v Speaker 2>feel like they could be your their absolute best.

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 4>What do you think you coming out? Where'd you think

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:32.399
<v Speaker 4>he'd be best fit?

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Left tackle? Left tackle?

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 9>Versatility kind of absolves the need of of being an

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 9>emergency that was emergency.

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:44.720
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and if you had to take a guess, what's

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:47.840
<v Speaker 7>the ratio here? What are we looking at versus things

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:52.800
<v Speaker 7>that were successful stories, Yeah, because of versatility or things

0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 7>that just like what we just talked about.

0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's just going down the list of persatile guys

0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:01.439
<v Speaker 2>that don't do you know that, Wow, he's a nickel corner. No, wait,

0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:03.920
<v Speaker 2>he's a slot. Wait is he a safety? And then

0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 2>and then he doesn't do it? And then you're like,

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 2>what what is he? And then you waste opportunity with it.

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 9>I think that's I think that's more so a coaching

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:12.920
<v Speaker 9>thing rather than it is a player.

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Or that's what I've been arguing in the last four.

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:18.319
<v Speaker 9>Minute scouting department philosophy. It's more so like, Okay, he

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.040
<v Speaker 9>has the ability to play these multiple spots. That is

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 9>why we are drafting this guy, So we're going to

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 9>try him at these multiple spots. I think at this point,

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 9>when you're talking about an Israel mcwalm, wehere you're talking

0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:30.440
<v Speaker 9>about Chouncy Goulston, trying him at these multiple spots just

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 9>went on for a little too long.

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:33.279
<v Speaker 8>And if that's your argument, I agree.

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 2>That is That is my argument.

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 4>And you tell me it's not the flex it is

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:37.879
<v Speaker 4>how long they take him back.

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.440
<v Speaker 2>When you tell me, and I'm if I'm sitting in

0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 2>a draft room and you go and he goes, this

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 2>guy's got position flex, I immediately go, Nick, what's his best position,

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:49.720
<v Speaker 2>because I am not going to be interested in trying

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:52.719
<v Speaker 2>him sometimes here, sometimes there, and then I look up

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 2>and now he's gone. He's somewhere else because I didn't.

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:58.719
<v Speaker 2>I didn't play him at the position that he needs

0:41:58.760 --> 0:41:59.520
<v Speaker 2>to be playing at.

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:02.360
<v Speaker 4>You know, I'll tell you this. With Chauncey Golson, I

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:04.279
<v Speaker 4>think one of the things that it looked like to

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:07.200
<v Speaker 4>me was he may have looked at this situation and thought,

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't know where I fit with this team moving forward.

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 4>Marshawn Neelan is, in my opinion, a guy that they

0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:16.200
<v Speaker 4>drafted to replace Tank Clawence. At whatever point Tank Clawrence

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:19.359
<v Speaker 4>is no longer here, he still is. I would think

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:21.560
<v Speaker 4>at this point there's no guarantee he won't be back

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 4>next year. I'm talking about Tank. You got Sam Williams,

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:26.879
<v Speaker 4>who they drafted in the second round, who they who

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:29.440
<v Speaker 4>got hurt. They're still expecting, hopefully that he can come

0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 4>back around. So if I'm Chauncey, I'm looking at this

0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:34.040
<v Speaker 4>and I'm saying, I know you were saying like it

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:36.480
<v Speaker 4>seems like he'd have a lot of opportunity here. I

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:38.000
<v Speaker 4>don't know if he felt like there was all this

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 4>opportunity here because there's so many question marks about so

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:44.320
<v Speaker 4>many guys at Edge that I look at it and

0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 4>if I'm him, I'm thinking, maybe there are more opportunities

0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:48.799
<v Speaker 4>for me to play more in New York than there

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:50.400
<v Speaker 4>are here, because I just don't know what the position

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<v Speaker 4>looks like here.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, the thing that made me question was there's so

0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 9>many talented Edge bodies, whether it be a Cavon Thibodeau,

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 9>which could be a guy that they move on from,

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<v Speaker 9>but they haven't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think they've worked. It's completely happy with where

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<v Speaker 4>they draft and what they've gotten.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh, absolutely, they can't be.

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<v Speaker 9>They can't be absolutely, and then Brian Burns, they can't

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<v Speaker 9>be happy with the return that they've gotten, at least

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<v Speaker 9>from the one year there. So maybe it makes sense

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 9>from a giant's perspective, like, hey, let's bring in this

0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:14.879
<v Speaker 9>fresh body who we saw twice last year, played really

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<v Speaker 9>well and he can be a guy that can kind

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<v Speaker 9>of push these other guys that will.

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<v Speaker 4>Be a rotation guy for us. Yeah, for sure, because

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 4>the money doesn't mean he has to be an immediate starter.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he could be a rotation guy for them

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<v Speaker 4>that helps their rotation pretty much.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm just not one hundred percent sure he would have

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<v Speaker 9>had the same opportunity in Dallas.

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 8>I feel like he maybe would have.

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<v Speaker 9>But hey, if it's a greener pastors for him, maybe,

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<v Speaker 9>and if it works out for him, great, But I'm

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<v Speaker 9>happy he got paid.

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 8>He's a good dude and he deserves it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, real quick, before we end the show, too many dooga,

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.239
<v Speaker 4>he signs a two year deal with Jacksonville. What kind

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<v Speaker 4>of impact does that have on the Cowboys if any?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he was like the life raft for the coach.

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<v Speaker 4>He certainly was.

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.319
<v Speaker 2>No, No, he was alf he was. He was. I mean,

0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:54.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, the front office could not ask Mike McCarthy

0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:58.200
<v Speaker 2>and those guys to play Tyler Geydon. Those coaches were

0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:01.320
<v Speaker 2>trying to save their jobs and they saw that Tyler

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Geydon wasn't ready. The learning curve was too strong, you know,

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't ready to play. So they went with the

0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:08.239
<v Speaker 2>player that gave him the best chance to win, and

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:10.680
<v Speaker 2>for the most part, it worked out for him that way.

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:15.239
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, this was he was. He I'll tell you this,

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:18.400
<v Speaker 2>He played far better than I thought he could play.

0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, I need to change my opinion about him,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think there was more than just a serviceable guy,

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:27.480
<v Speaker 2>a band aid guy. He gave them some good games,

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:30.319
<v Speaker 2>some good reps throughout this thing. And he was he

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<v Speaker 2>was an absolute life raft for a situation with a

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 2>rookie that wasn't ready to play.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, he played left tackle, he filled in a left guard,

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<v Speaker 8>right guard. It's a good thing. He has some versatility.

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<v Speaker 9>Let me tell you no, But I think I think

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:45.279
<v Speaker 9>it's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it's gonna happen. Awesome. Richards is going to

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<v Speaker 2>end up the same way. You're not going to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out a position for Austoin Richards, and then he'll go

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:53.239
<v Speaker 2>off and start for somebody, and then we'll have this

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 2>discussion again.

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<v Speaker 9>Do you need to figure out a position for Austin Richards?

0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:58.760
<v Speaker 9>I if you feel comfortable about your front five.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what there's to me. I just play him,

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Just find a spot to play him at, you know,

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 2>just figure it out. Is does he like playing guard?

0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Does he feel more comfortable to guard? Does he feel

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:11.600
<v Speaker 2>more comfortable to tackle. They'll tell you, like, if you

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:13.400
<v Speaker 2>talk to the player, which I'm sure you have a

0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 2>million times, he'll tell you he wants to play guard,

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:18.520
<v Speaker 2>you know. But but the fact that he has to

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<v Speaker 2>be ready for other positions. You do it out of necessity,

0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:25.320
<v Speaker 2>but to me, find a position for these guys, develop

0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 2>that position, and then and then maybe maybe you want

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 2>to sign this guy earlier than you're waiting to the

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 2>last minute, like oh wow, we we really developed this

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:36.320
<v Speaker 2>guy and now he's somebody else's property. I'm not interested

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:37.240
<v Speaker 2>in doing that anymore.

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 9>The thing, the thing I think I'm trying to pick

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:40.840
<v Speaker 9>your brain on here is like, Okay, let's say.

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:41.839
<v Speaker 2>That we're playing go fish again.

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:43.239
<v Speaker 8>We're playing go fish again.

0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:45.719
<v Speaker 9>Okay, Let's let's say, Okay, awesome Richards, we want you

0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 9>to be a left tackle. Yeah, and we are going

0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:50.439
<v Speaker 9>to keep you a left tackle. Yeah, Tyler, guy never

0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:53.359
<v Speaker 9>gets hurt, he succeeds, and you never have to play

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 9>Awesome Richards. But you have all these problems in at

0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:58.120
<v Speaker 9>left guard and right guard. You need somebody to fill in.

0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:01.480
<v Speaker 9>I'm playing guards around the guards and guard. You look

0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:03.520
<v Speaker 9>him around the room and you're like, he's the best

0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:04.400
<v Speaker 9>guard on our roster.

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:05.680
<v Speaker 8>I'm not saying he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if he's the best guard on your roster, then

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:08.919
<v Speaker 2>playing at guard but.

0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:11.439
<v Speaker 9>Not the best guard on your roster, the best guard

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.439
<v Speaker 9>that you have in the depth of your playing the guard.

0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:15.399
<v Speaker 9>But okay, but you already had him at tackle because

0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:18.120
<v Speaker 9>you think he could be a better tackle if the

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:19.480
<v Speaker 9>thing about it's saying it is like, I think the

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 9>versatility really could work for guys.

0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:23.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and versatility also will make you, like get signed

0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:25.800
<v Speaker 2>by the Giants for six and a half million dollars.

0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:28.680
<v Speaker 4>But I guess that's that's the question. Is he a

0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:31.319
<v Speaker 4>starting caliber player? Because if he is, then I.

0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Figure it out.

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 4>No, but I'm saying I agree with you, Brian, But

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 4>here's the problem. If he's not a starter caliber player,

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:37.879
<v Speaker 4>if he's always going to be a death guy. Yeah,

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 4>if he's always going to be a deaf guy, that

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:41.799
<v Speaker 4>versatility matters. That's what's going to keep him in the end.

0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 2>You know he could play both. But but what you

0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:46.400
<v Speaker 2>need to do is you need to make sure that

0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:49.319
<v Speaker 2>he's playing the one position that he's absolutely that you

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 2>feel like though that, Okay, I think this guy, let's

0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 2>develop the one position. If he has to play guard

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:58.200
<v Speaker 2>in the game, I'm fine. But if he but developing

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.560
<v Speaker 2>in the one position that he's the best at, continue

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 2>to work on that part because that's the thing you're

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 2>probably going to, and you're going to when something happens,

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 2>you're going to need him to be ready to be

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 2>that guy. I think playing guard is just a sometime

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.359
<v Speaker 2>thing planned left tackle, I think is more what his

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 2>career path should be.

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:18.440
<v Speaker 7>I think we're all saying the same thing, just in

0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:19.280
<v Speaker 7>different ways.

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:19.919
<v Speaker 2>Not me and Nick.

0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:24.520
<v Speaker 7>No, No, it depends.

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 4>On what I'm trying to figure out what y'all are

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:28.840
<v Speaker 4>talking about. Look, I kind of agree with him. I

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:31.800
<v Speaker 4>think it's very similar, look at it very different.

0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:35.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, he wants position flexibility. I'm interested in, and

0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 2>I think I got this right, Nick, You're interested in

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:41.040
<v Speaker 2>like working guys, keep working guys at both spots. I'm

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:43.200
<v Speaker 2>more interested in developing the guy at the spot that

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:45.160
<v Speaker 2>they're their absolute best at. And if they have to

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:47.839
<v Speaker 2>play the other position, then so be it. But I'm

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:51.040
<v Speaker 2>not spending a lot of reps trying to develop them

0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:52.440
<v Speaker 2>at both positions. I'm going to pick it.

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:54.239
<v Speaker 4>But I think that's what Nick saying, right. I don't

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:56.520
<v Speaker 4>think Nick saying you need to split their reps in practice.

0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 4>What I think he is is that what you say.

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<v Speaker 9>I could see that more so early on. I'll make

0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:05.760
<v Speaker 9>this quick, I promise, more so early on in a career,

0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:08.479
<v Speaker 9>like by the time you get to your second training camp, Yes,

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:10.400
<v Speaker 9>I'm with you, Brian. Yeah, once you get to like

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 9>the back half of your second training camp, it's like,

0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 9>all right, man, we're gonna we're gonna keep you here,

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:15.399
<v Speaker 9>and if we need to fill you in in another spot,

0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:17.360
<v Speaker 9>then we'll train you at that spot. But as of

0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:19.319
<v Speaker 9>right now, you know we're gonna move forward. I'm saying

0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:22.280
<v Speaker 9>from a scouting perspective, I would love to go get versatility.

0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:24.440
<v Speaker 9>I would love to find versatility because this guy could

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:25.920
<v Speaker 9>have an impact in multiple spots.

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 9>But to credit to your philosophy, you look at a

0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:32.319
<v Speaker 9>program like the Ravens. Yeah, specifically in their secondary they

0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:34.960
<v Speaker 9>draft so many versatile dbs, but they bring them in,

0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:36.719
<v Speaker 9>they figure out where they're at training camp.

0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:38.600
<v Speaker 8>They're like, we're keeping you at corner work, keeping you

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:38.960
<v Speaker 8>in safety.

0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:41.160
<v Speaker 9>So there is credit to your type of philosophy, but

0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:43.440
<v Speaker 9>I think there's also credit to the versatility philosophy. It's

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:45.160
<v Speaker 9>just kind of two different ways of thinking about things.

0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:47.040
<v Speaker 9>I've seen this Sor, and I understand where you're coming from.

0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that I've seen this organization waste guys are

0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:53.680
<v Speaker 2>here I've seen them just because of position flex because

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:57.400
<v Speaker 2>there they haven't they haven't found the right position. And

0:48:57.400 --> 0:48:58.200
<v Speaker 2>then these guys go.

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:00.200
<v Speaker 9>Wait, waited too long. And I'm with you there, I

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:01.960
<v Speaker 9>agree with you. I agree with you, understanding all right,

0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:05.280
<v Speaker 9>appreciate the truth. Great to be far from a movie

0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:08.600
<v Speaker 9>that you're on. The draft show more, we are more

0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:08.840
<v Speaker 9>of it.

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 4>We're back next week. We'll have more to talk about.

0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:13.520
<v Speaker 4>Hopefully the Cowboys will have some more signings we can

0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:15.680
<v Speaker 4>get into. We still have not gotten our scouting reports.

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:17.160
<v Speaker 4>We'll do that a little little bit next week. Talk

0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:19.000
<v Speaker 4>about some of the guys they've signed and signed and

0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 4>brought onto the team. Till then, for Nick Harris, Brian

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:23.719
<v Speaker 4>brought us in Ambergarcia. I'm Derek Eagle. This has been

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<v Speaker 4>The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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