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Speaker 4: It is Wednesday, March twelfth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,
Speaker 4: Episode number one. Welcome to the latest edition of Rayquilacnest Studios.
Speaker 4: Wow at the Star.
Speaker 2: First day of the new league year.
Speaker 4: It is the first of the league maybe new year, everybody, man,
Speaker 4: not a surprise they won.
Speaker 7: I just I don't know. It's just always funny how
Speaker 7: we do episode numbers is what do.
Speaker 2: We end up with?
Speaker 4: By the way, we ended up with one hundred and five.
Speaker 4: You good, one hundred and five, a little less than
Speaker 4: we did last year. So we have to talk about that.
Speaker 7: These guys have disappear.
Speaker 4: I want to say, we did like one seventeen last year,
Speaker 4: So we got to ask their conversations about that. See
Speaker 4: how we can get that back up. I'm sure the
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Speaker 4: Do Okay, okay, free agency. We'll talk free agency. I
Speaker 4: do want to first start. I want to get just
Speaker 4: in a general just your general thoughts on free agency.
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about even the Cowboys specifically, just the
Speaker 4: first couple of days of free agency across the NFL.
Speaker 4: Anything pop out to you, anything interesting to you worth noting.
Speaker 8: You said across the NFL CROs the.
Speaker 4: NFL just in a free agency this year, the tone
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think you look at the Niners and then
Speaker 9: them kind of blowing up that roster in a way,
Speaker 9: I think that's I think that's a fascinating, you know,
Speaker 9: situation that's happened there Philadelphia. Yeah, they've lost some guys too,
Speaker 9: but at San Francisco really looks like they are just
Speaker 9: getting ready to pay this quarterback and they're getting rid
Speaker 9: of all the extra pieces that they don't feel like
Speaker 9: they'll need so, I mean, whether it's letting Joey or
Speaker 9: not Joey Bosa, letting Kyle Yustchuk go, who's a guy
Speaker 9: who's been one of their culture blocker room leaders for
Speaker 9: a long time, or trading Deebo Samuel or letting Sharvarius
Speaker 9: Ward or Talifo Haufanga go. I mean players, Yeah, a
Speaker 9: lot of talented players on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 9: San Francisco has gone from man, they're gonna have a
Speaker 9: luxury to pick whoever they want at eleven too, man,
Speaker 9: they might need to pick for need at eleven. So yeah,
Speaker 9: that's been the thing that probably stod outs to me
Speaker 9: the most. I don't think there's anything too surprising about,
Speaker 9: you know, certain free agents landing with certain teams. It
Speaker 9: really doesn't matter until the preseason or season comes around
Speaker 9: and then you can kind of evaluate it. I think
Speaker 9: DeVante Adams so the RAMS is fun, But aside from that,
Speaker 9: I don't I don't really buy into the man, this
Speaker 9: free agent's gonna help them win the Super Bowl ordeal
Speaker 9: until until.
Speaker 8: We get to the season.
Speaker 2: I hate free agency.
Speaker 8: Is it because you're here?
Speaker 2: No, it's because he's a draft guy. I hate, I hate, no,
Speaker 2: I hate what they they've done with it. When when
Speaker 2: I was in Pro personnel, there was Derek said, Episode one.
Speaker 2: Today was a day we started free agency. It was
Speaker 2: the first day of the league year. I hate this
Speaker 2: tampering period. I hate this because to me, like I said,
Speaker 2: we used to meet, we put a board together, you know,
Speaker 2: we would talk about what players we were going after,
Speaker 2: and then when it was twelve oh one, you went
Speaker 2: and did free agency. Now it's like three days and then,
Speaker 2: you know, it really takes kind of the luster away
Speaker 2: from it. From a standpoint of covering it, you know,
Speaker 2: I like the build up, like the day of when
Speaker 2: free agent, when when the league years started and you're
Speaker 2: able to Boom and Jacksonville and the Rams and you know,
Speaker 2: everybody was doing stuff. And now it's kind of like
Speaker 2: anti climactic the way that this thing is rolling along.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're now you're kind of into like tier four,
Speaker 2: Tier five of players maybe five and six, whereas before,
Speaker 2: uh and it sounds very back of the day to me.
Speaker 2: But I hate it. I hate the fact that they
Speaker 2: have this tampering period. The tampering period was going to
Speaker 2: the combine and walking around and then tampering with guys,
Speaker 2: and then when the season of the season, the new
Speaker 2: season opened, then you heard all these names. I just
Speaker 2: I just don't like the build up. I don't I
Speaker 2: don't like the fact that it there's that tampering period before.
Speaker 2: I think it just takes away from how much I
Speaker 2: really really did enjoy it one time.
Speaker 7: Pre agency to me, this year has been completely different
Speaker 7: in my experience because and this is all personal, but
Speaker 7: I personally, for personal reasons, have stopped using Twitter or
Speaker 7: x so a lot of the toxicity and just crazy
Speaker 7: things that because it happens a lot where fans start
Speaker 7: creating this content that is not real and just you know,
Speaker 7: a lot of fake news things that fans create on
Speaker 7: their own, and a lot of criticism. So I haven't
Speaker 7: been consuming some of that, most of that. It's not
Speaker 7: part of my life right now. So it's just been
Speaker 7: an easy unless something drastic happens, something crazy, because a
Speaker 7: lot of the things that currently happen during the stage
Speaker 7: is fans start comparing what the Cowboys are doing not doing,
Speaker 7: versus what other teams have been doing or have done
Speaker 7: in the previous years. So that just taking in I
Speaker 7: think in comparison to previous years too, I feel like
Speaker 7: the we've been a little busier this year when it
Speaker 7: comes to those external signings as far as the timeline
Speaker 7: usually takes the Cowboys a couple of days, and then
Speaker 7: we started hearing of those external signings, but now before
Speaker 7: the official date, which is today, we started hearing yesterday
Speaker 7: the day before, which doesn't tend to occur because I
Speaker 7: have to create those graphics and put things together, put
Speaker 7: it out. So I think the difference there I've noticed
Speaker 7: from the Cowboys aspect is even though these have not
Speaker 7: been groundbreaking signings, they're still making moves a lot earlier
Speaker 7: than what they're used to.
Speaker 4: That is true. I think typically we've all gotten accustomed
Speaker 4: to that first week, those first few days of trip
Speaker 4: free agency, the Cowboys really not being a part of
Speaker 4: that unless they're signing their own guys. They do have
Speaker 4: several signings that they've made this week, again not groundbreaking
Speaker 4: by any means, and I think we talked about this
Speaker 4: on our last show. I don't think any of us
Speaker 4: had the expectation the Cowboys are going to be out
Speaker 4: there just throwing money around in free agency. The expectation
Speaker 4: was that maybe they get a couple guys here and
Speaker 4: there that they thought maybe could help them and fill spots.
Speaker 4: And it sounds like maybe we're going to get into
Speaker 4: some scattering reports here later in the show, but it
Speaker 4: sounds like maybe they may have gotten some guys who
Speaker 4: can be depth pieces. The way I look at this
Speaker 4: is maybe they're restoring some of what they lost last
Speaker 4: year when it came to depth. I don't know that
Speaker 4: they brought in any guys you expect immediately are going
Speaker 4: to step in and be great players for you, but
Speaker 4: maybe some of that depth you lost last offseason is
Speaker 4: going to be restored a bit, and then maybe you
Speaker 4: can use through the draft you can kind of fix
Speaker 4: some of this as well. Let's talk about the Cowboys
Speaker 4: list of free agents. Some of the guys that they've
Speaker 4: re signed to this point, They've they've resigned Olso Diggi Zua,
Speaker 4: who we talked about last week. Cavante Turpin just happened yesterday.
Speaker 4: That was I think another important signing for them. They
Speaker 4: also had signed brock Hoffman, Jane Thomas, she did good
Speaker 4: when Brian Anger happens yesterday, Trent Sieve, Marquise Bell, Tyros
Speaker 4: Sweet again, a lot of players that are that are
Speaker 4: really more depth players not really thinking about starters. Other
Speaker 4: than Osa and Cavante are more the starter types. That
Speaker 4: being said, look at the other side of the special
Speaker 4: team group, right, the whole special teams group is back,
Speaker 4: which you know. Actually I'll ask that question because I
Speaker 4: was I thought they would probably try to get Trent
Speaker 4: Seeg back, because when you have a good long snapper,
Speaker 4: you just try to keep him in place. It's no
Speaker 4: reason to go and try to find it.
Speaker 2: It starts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But my question is Brian Anger, and I don't
Speaker 4: know what your thoughts are, but tell me what you
Speaker 4: thought of his play this last year relative to how
Speaker 4: he's played in years past, and whether you thought this
Speaker 4: was a good signing for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Any thoughts on punters.
Speaker 9: I you know, I think there was a little bit
Speaker 9: of a regress. Yeah, I don't think it's a huge ordeal. Yes,
Speaker 9: he's thirty six, and yes you have him for two
Speaker 9: more years. He's going to be thirty eight by the
Speaker 9: time he walks out that door. But I think keeping
Speaker 9: consistency for Brandon Aubrey is probably the most important thing here,
Speaker 9: and he's the holder for He's the only NFL holder
Speaker 9: that Brandon Aubrey has known. I think that's more important
Speaker 9: than the quote unquote regress that he had last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you only notice it when you're really
Speaker 2: bad on offense. Then you notice that, like, okay, why
Speaker 2: is why are teams feel positioned much better? And there
Speaker 2: was a time when you can really count on Brian Anger.
Speaker 2: It would be backed up and then he'd done cork
Speaker 2: a fifty four yard punt with you know, towards the
Speaker 2: sidelines and you know, and then there would be no
Speaker 2: return and now you flip the field a little bit
Speaker 2: in your direction. We saw that far less from him
Speaker 2: last year on that it was not not as many
Speaker 2: of those punts where you're like, okay, he clearly changed
Speaker 2: the direction of where this team is about to start
Speaker 2: their drive. So you know, it's something you really like.
Speaker 2: I say, you notice it when teams field positioned after
Speaker 2: a punt. And you also notice it though when also
Speaker 2: then the returners are bringing the ball back on you. You
Speaker 2: know that maybe that there's some short punts they're able
Speaker 2: to field them. He's done a really good job in
Speaker 2: his career with the cow Boys of being a directional punter.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's something that I'll always appreciate
Speaker 2: about with his game. But you know, it's something that
Speaker 2: I didn't see as much last year where he was
Speaker 2: on cork and those those punts that kind of flipped fields.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I understand why you post a question, Derek, But
Speaker 7: just like that, Yeah, he had some hiccups, but overall
Speaker 7: not enough for you to not want to bring him back.
Speaker 7: And just like Nick mentioned the importance he brings to
Speaker 7: Brian Brandon, Aubrey and Aubrey, he in an interview that
Speaker 7: he did, he voiced that opinion where he would want
Speaker 7: both him and uh see Trent Seek. I can never
Speaker 7: say his last name, but Trent. He would want both
Speaker 7: of them to come back. And it is important to
Speaker 7: and when you see what these guys are doing, I mean,
Speaker 7: the chemistry between those three guys and Aubrey and Anger
Speaker 7: is just something that you you don't want to break.
Speaker 7: It keeps out continuity. I can't even say continuity whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he just stays the same and it's good. And I
Speaker 7: think also when you see those hiccups with a new coach,
Speaker 7: I think the coach is always a believer that they
Speaker 7: can change any improved player, So I think that's the
Speaker 7: idea behind that as well.
Speaker 4: Okay, so looking at the two, I think the most
Speaker 4: important signings that the Cowboys have had of keeping their
Speaker 4: own guys Osa and Interpin. Which do you think was
Speaker 4: a more important deal to get done for this team?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 9: So for sure bringing him back and having that pass
Speaker 9: rush come out of the interior, especially with a defensive
Speaker 9: line coach like Aaron Whitecotton who has maximized interior pass
Speaker 9: rush throughout his time with the New York Jets. So
Speaker 9: when you combine that with what Matt E Reflus is
Speaker 9: trying to do with that three tech spot, how he
Speaker 9: has done that with the entirety of his career. Bringing
Speaker 9: Osa back and getting him back on that team friendly
Speaker 9: deal certainly helps out. I think more in Turpin helps out,
Speaker 9: But I think you know his offensive output is going
Speaker 9: to be limited even if you do, even if you
Speaker 9: do put an emphasis on getting him more involved. How
Speaker 9: valuable is a returner at the end of the day.
Speaker 9: And I'm not trying to speak down on Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 9: He's the best returner in the game, and I think
Speaker 9: it's value to bring him back as the Commanders. Yeah,
Speaker 9: for sure, one hundred percent, But how valuable really is
Speaker 9: is a returner at the end of the day.
Speaker 8: I just don't see it as much as a three
Speaker 8: tech for sure.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I think there's a couple of different ways. And I've
Speaker 2: been very very critical of this front office for some
Speaker 2: of the signings that they've had or lack of, and
Speaker 2: I'll give him credit for this one. They did a
Speaker 2: great job of working with this agent and getting osa
Speaker 2: done for under if you follow along where the money
Speaker 2: went for twenty million dollars a year, and then you
Speaker 2: have other defensive tackles signing for twenty six twenty seven
Speaker 2: million dollars. What it effectively did by getting this deal done,
Speaker 2: you got a player back that really really helped you
Speaker 2: last year, one of the better defensive players you had
Speaker 2: him and Jordan Lewis. But it also allows you to
Speaker 2: go out and sign two guys. You were able to
Speaker 2: sign Solomon Thomas and you're able to to sign Peyton
Speaker 2: Turner as well with the money that you saved there.
Speaker 2: So you basically got three players for the price of
Speaker 2: what you probably were going to have to pay. Oh
Speaker 2: so Diggy Zua, So you know, good for them getting
Speaker 2: that done. On that end, I'll say this about Turpin.
Speaker 2: You don't sign him just to be a returner. Here.
Speaker 2: This is now eleven personnel stuff. He is going to
Speaker 2: be a part of that. He's you know, whether you
Speaker 2: liked it or not, he showed up. There were times
Speaker 2: when you know he was. They put him in the
Speaker 2: backfield and handed him the ball and there was explosive plays,
Speaker 2: you know, and you could steal with the pop passes,
Speaker 2: the jet sweeps, the screens and stuff. This guy's going
Speaker 2: to be your third wide receiver. He's going to be
Speaker 2: an eleven personnel. He's not going to be just a
Speaker 2: returner anymore. I think this coaching staff is going to
Speaker 2: use him in that way. So I don't look at
Speaker 2: him as just that returner. But I like what the
Speaker 2: Cowboys did by getting Osa done because I think it
Speaker 2: also afforded him a couple of other players along the way.
Speaker 7: See with my answer, it's kind of weird the way
Speaker 7: I'm going to But for me, Osa has a higher ceiling.
Speaker 7: Like I feel like with Osa, I still have a
Speaker 7: lot more to see. I think he can do a
Speaker 7: lot more that's more impactful, especially on defense. And that's
Speaker 7: not to say Cavante doesn't have a lot more that
Speaker 7: he can bring to the table. In fact, I do
Speaker 7: think he does, but based on the previous coaching staff
Speaker 7: and the opportunities that he has been given, I think
Speaker 7: that it never quite fully works out. And I'm saying
Speaker 7: in the way for you to maximize his potential. Now
Speaker 7: you have a completely different coaching staff at the moment,
Speaker 7: so maybe there's a change in that where we can
Speaker 7: see him progress in other areas, just like Brian mentioned,
Speaker 7: but based on previous years, I think right now, I
Speaker 7: feel that Osa has a lot more to give in
Speaker 7: a more impactful way when on the defensive side.
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Speaker 4: I want to talk about some of the players that
Speaker 4: Dallas has lost from their previous from their twenty twenty
Speaker 4: four roster, and them some of those players may have
Speaker 4: on this upcoming season. We'll talk about when we come back.
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Speaker 4: let's talk about some of the guys that cowboys have lost.
Speaker 4: I think the biggest one is Jordan Lewis. I made
Speaker 4: it clear last week that after they signed OS, I
Speaker 4: was like, this is the next guy I really really
Speaker 4: want them to bring back. But the deal that he got,
Speaker 4: it was it was probably something the Cowboys wouldn't or
Speaker 4: couldn't pay, and certainly was something he couldn't pass up.
Speaker 4: A three year, thirty million dollar deal with the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 4: Twenty million of that guaranteed heck of a haul for him.
Speaker 4: That being said, what do you think of the deal
Speaker 4: and do you think it was something the Cowboys maybe
Speaker 4: should have entertained spending that much money on a nickel corner.
Speaker 9: I don't want to get into the weeds of financially
Speaker 9: because yes, they financially could afford it, But then talk
Speaker 9: about X that that'd be a whole conversation there. I say,
Speaker 9: you know, looking at the ten million dollars per year,
Speaker 9: making him the richest nickel in the NFL, I understand
Speaker 9: why the Cowboys maybe could have passed on a on
Speaker 9: a contract like that. Granted, there is probably no other
Speaker 9: guy in that locker room you would like to retain
Speaker 9: more than him, so you also factor that in. And
Speaker 9: I did a radio call with a guy in Jacksonville
Speaker 9: after the signing happened, and he was asking me. He's like, so,
Speaker 9: you know, what is the full package Jordan Lewis? You know,
Speaker 9: not only on the field and off the field. And
Speaker 9: as I was starting to talk about all the things
Speaker 9: he's contributed off the field from a locker room perspective,
Speaker 9: shoot from a media perspective, community perspective, I was like, man,
Speaker 9: this is a big loss and the new factor in
Speaker 9: the on play on the field play. He had his
Speaker 9: best season in twenty twenty four. But when this three
Speaker 9: year contract is up, he's going to be well into
Speaker 9: his thirties. He's gonna be thirty three, I believe when
Speaker 9: he hits free agency again, if that contract runs all
Speaker 9: the way through, and if you're paying ten million dollars
Speaker 9: for a guy that's thirty two years old, you know
Speaker 9: a few years from now at that nickel spot, that's
Speaker 9: a tough position to have longevity at. So I understand it,
Speaker 9: but man, that is a tough loss for the Cowboys.
Speaker 9: That was a guy that I know that they wanted
Speaker 9: to retain, just probably not at that price and definitely
Speaker 9: not at that length.
Speaker 2: A couple of things happened here. I don't think they
Speaker 2: expected to lose him. You know, if you look, if
Speaker 2: you go back and you kind of study some of
Speaker 2: the things that were done leading up to free agency.
Speaker 2: We've seen lists of top seventy five free agents, you know,
Speaker 2: top one hundred free agents. Jordan Lewis wasn't on a
Speaker 2: lot of those lists. Now there's the problem. A lot
Speaker 2: of pro personnel guys are watching tape. They're watching your
Speaker 2: team play. So you didn't see Jordan Lewis on that
Speaker 2: list by media person by media people, but you damn
Speaker 2: well knew that Jordan Lewis and the pro personnel circles
Speaker 2: teams knew where Jordan Lewis was. You know, one of
Speaker 2: the better players you had when things were going awful.
Speaker 2: Jordan Lewis. He was the one guy that could sit
Speaker 2: in this film room behind me when they were going
Speaker 2: breaking down the game and he could be proud about
Speaker 2: the way he played. I don't think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of guys that could say that every week, but he could.
Speaker 2: And so it's not surprising to me that he signed
Speaker 2: somewhere else. I think this one caught Dallas by surprise
Speaker 2: a little bit, though, I thought maybe that they were
Speaker 2: going to feel like that they were going to get
Speaker 2: him back. But you know Jacksonville, you know cap Space,
Speaker 2: new coach, new things going on down there. It's too
Speaker 2: good of an offer for Jordan Lewis to pass. And
Speaker 2: congratulate to him because on and off the field, he's
Speaker 2: the one guy that and Ambar likes to talk about this,
Speaker 2: he is the one guy that survived everybody that doubted him.
Speaker 2: He was the one guy standing at the end of
Speaker 2: the day. Everybody else who doubted him is no longer here,
Speaker 2: and so good for him forgetting that deal.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you can only root for a guy like that,
Speaker 7: And congratulations to him and what he was able to get.
Speaker 7: And I've never been in a lot of these contract negotiations,
Speaker 7: negotiations obviously in the NFL, but I would assume that
Speaker 7: the way it works, it's like, Hey, this team is
Speaker 7: offering me this, What can you offer me? Can you
Speaker 7: match the offer? Can you give me more?
Speaker 12: Like?
Speaker 7: Where are we at? If you don't meet that, then
Speaker 7: obviously you go the highest bid. And I think this
Speaker 7: is what happened. At the same time, I've heard the
Speaker 7: Cowboys discuss this multiple times in the way they handle
Speaker 7: certain things where it's like, Okay, you can get this
Speaker 7: player for X amount of money, or you can get
Speaker 7: this other player, this other player, that other player, three
Speaker 7: more players that can add depth in other positions that
Speaker 7: are clearly needed. And that's the way that I think
Speaker 7: how I see it is what happened here. They saw
Speaker 7: more value, not that they don't see the value in Jordan,
Speaker 7: but at this time they just saw more value in
Speaker 7: spreading their money around and adding depth in other positions
Speaker 7: that are clearly needed on the team right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we all agree this would have been
Speaker 4: a difficult deal for Dallas to do in some respects,
Speaker 4: But the reality is, when you look at what's left,
Speaker 4: it took a position that was already a bit challenged
Speaker 4: and made it maybe the position that's most challenged on
Speaker 4: this team right now. You look at Trayvon Diggs, he's
Speaker 4: out hurt and don't really know exactly when he's going
Speaker 4: to be back. The suspicion is maybe you have him
Speaker 4: back by the season, but that's not a guarantee. And
Speaker 4: then you got de Ron Bland. You've got Kayln Carson,
Speaker 4: who last year they kind of threw in the fire,
Speaker 4: probably a little early because they had to because of injuries.
Speaker 4: And we'll see how much he develops. But based on
Speaker 4: all that, where do you say, how much do you
Speaker 4: think this has impacted Dallas And has this become for
Speaker 4: you a position where they really now maybe in a
Speaker 4: really really tough position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to the point where you would look at it
Speaker 2: at twelve, I think that I think there's a couple
Speaker 2: of guys in play here. You know, we talked about
Speaker 2: it here at the break a little bit, but I
Speaker 2: think you do have to keep an eye on Will
Speaker 2: Johnson from Michigan, the corner there. You know, there are
Speaker 2: some there's some corners in this draft that are outstanding players,
Speaker 2: a lot of them coming off injuries. Some of the
Speaker 2: top ones. If you talk about Revel from East Carolina,
Speaker 2: Morrison from Notre Dame. You know you don't have a
Speaker 2: forty yard dash time on Will Johnson. He's got a
Speaker 2: hamstring problem that he's dealing with. April fourteenth is that day.
Speaker 2: There there's a lot of questions about these corners at
Speaker 2: the top of this board. And I even even if
Speaker 2: they would assigned Jordan Lewis, I think corner was still
Speaker 2: in play. Defensive tackle, corner, running back wide receiver. Just
Speaker 2: take your pick. Uh So, yeah, I I I don't
Speaker 2: think that's changed at all for them.
Speaker 9: Your only healthy cornerbacks on the roster right now, as
Speaker 9: we said today, are Deron Bland, Andrew Booth, Junior, Keemon Hall,
Speaker 9: and Kayln Carson. And if the season were to start today,
Speaker 9: you'd probably be starting Andrew Booth or Keemon Hall.
Speaker 4: Oh, we're glad the season isn't starting.
Speaker 8: Very glad day one of the of the league, League
Speaker 8: year and happy year. We still got six months.
Speaker 9: But yeah, it's a they're they're gonna have to address
Speaker 9: corner and they can't only just do it in the draft.
Speaker 9: They need to go get a guy in free agency
Speaker 9: as well. They need to go get a body there,
Speaker 9: a veteran body. Bring in somebody that can compete for
Speaker 9: a starting job, whether that be on the outside or
Speaker 9: the inside. Losing Jordan Lewis, you do have a little
Speaker 9: bit of flexibility in this since that Deron Bland has
Speaker 9: played inside going back to his rookie year. But if
Speaker 9: you're asking Deron Bland, I bet you he's gonna want
Speaker 9: to stick on the outside because the money's better there.
Speaker 2: The the compensatory picks were announced this I'm sure Derek's
Speaker 2: going to go through that all the fifth round picks.
Speaker 2: I'm going to make a prediction Dallas is going to
Speaker 2: look in the trade market, much like they did with
Speaker 2: with Gilmore and Cooks. With those fives, they're going to
Speaker 2: three of them. Yeah, they're going to look at and
Speaker 2: they got that. You know, they got a six too,
Speaker 2: But they're going to I think that they're going to
Speaker 2: and those picks are all kind of back to back
Speaker 2: to each other if you look at it, So keep
Speaker 2: an eye on. I think Dallas is exploring adding a
Speaker 2: player through trade like they did earlier, like well actually
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago with Gilmore and Cooks.
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on guys like a Sante Samuel
Speaker 4: Junior Russell Douglas. These are two cornerbacks that are still
Speaker 4: available right now in free agency. Would you look at
Speaker 4: either of those two guys or do you really think
Speaker 4: this is going to have to come from either a
Speaker 4: players on another roster or the draft.
Speaker 8: I'm more of a Rasoul Douglas guy. If we're looking
Speaker 8: at both of those.
Speaker 9: Saute Samuel has had some issues in the past defending
Speaker 9: the run, and I don't want two corners that can't
Speaker 9: defend the run. Has also had some issues and playing,
Speaker 9: Man Press, I want a physical corner if I'm going
Speaker 9: to go out and spend money on one. That's why
Speaker 9: I'm more of a Rossul Douglas guy. Granted he is older,
Speaker 9: but I think you do need a veteran in that room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I and they might not take Samuel because of
Speaker 2: his his way. He's built. He's a smaller guy.
Speaker 4: Reason why he's not great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there, man Press, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you're starting to talk about you know, now you have
Speaker 2: to look. Will McLay is very specific about what he's
Speaker 2: looking at for these corners. So there's some guys on
Speaker 2: this list. I mean, we've talked about Baron from Texas. Gosh,
Speaker 2: what a great player, but he might not fit the
Speaker 2: metrics that you're looking at with this with this front office.
Speaker 2: So you know that that eliminates one right there that
Speaker 2: me personally, man, I this kid reminds me of Trent
Speaker 2: McDuffie from the from the Kansas City. The way he plays,
Speaker 2: that would be. But if you don't like Trent McDuffie,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I can do for you.
Speaker 4: It's going to be I saw him comp to Brian
Speaker 4: Branch and I was like, yeah, bring you another Brian.
Speaker 2: I think actually that Brian Branch is I don't know
Speaker 2: if you could play Barren as that linebacker kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Could you see Branch play down a lot? But man
Speaker 2: a very good player.
Speaker 4: And they moving around the Texas moving around the secondary
Speaker 4: a ton. He has flexibility as position. Sure, you can
Speaker 4: do a lot of different things.
Speaker 7: I think I was just gonna say, don't be surprised
Speaker 7: if we do actually see some kind of trade happening
Speaker 7: for that position, because absolutely at the moment, and just
Speaker 7: like you said, Nick, this has to happen before the draft,
Speaker 7: because even if you're looking to, let's say, draft a corner,
Speaker 7: you still based on everything that the Cowboys always say,
Speaker 7: they want to be able to feel good enough on
Speaker 7: every position or most positions prior to getting into the
Speaker 7: draft so that they're not fully forced to draft a
Speaker 7: certain player and that they can go more of the
Speaker 7: best player available approach. But yeah, don't be surprised for
Speaker 7: some trades happening in the near future.
Speaker 9: A couple of quotes last week from Jerry and Steven
Speaker 9: Jones about the idea of a trade. This is from
Speaker 9: after the Zach Martin presser. Jerry Jones says that draft
Speaker 9: picks this time of year at our premium and could
Speaker 9: be used a lot more in a trade. He said
Speaker 9: the team has the quote bait out on trade possibilities,
Speaker 9: but will wait for other teams to come to them
Speaker 9: and then Stephen Jones later on, when asked about big
Speaker 9: names floating around the trade market, he said, we're looking
Speaker 9: for what fits and what works for us. Big Names,
Speaker 9: in my mind, aren't always the answer. Big names don't
Speaker 9: always pan out as well. But then he went into
Speaker 9: describing Saquon Barkley and that being a big name that
Speaker 9: worked out for Philadelphia. But I think this team is
Speaker 9: certainly looking at trade possibility. Stephen Jones mentioned in Indianapolis,
Speaker 9: when you have ten draft picks, you can certainly use
Speaker 9: one or two on getting a veteran.
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Speaker 4: WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, Let's talk about Chauncey
Speaker 4: GOLs and he signs with the New York Giants three
Speaker 4: year deal nineteen point five million. I guess my biggest question,
Speaker 4: and we're gonna get to Solomon Thomas in a minute
Speaker 4: when we talk about some of the guys they've played.
Speaker 4: But when I saw this, this signing, it made me think, well,
Speaker 4: did the Cowboys get that they got a guy who's
Speaker 4: versatile on the defensive line. Did they get a guy
Speaker 4: who is essentially a Chauncey Golston type player with a
Speaker 4: little more experience, maybe a little more aware on the tires,
Speaker 4: but a little more experience, but that kind of player.
Speaker 9: I think he's kind of the inverse of Chauncey Golston
Speaker 9: in the sense of more defensive, more defensive tackle, and
Speaker 9: I think he was forced at times to go to
Speaker 9: end and it never really panned out for him in
Speaker 9: my eyes, at least at two ninety five.
Speaker 8: Put that guy inside this.
Speaker 9: This Chauncey Golston signing is interesting to me just because
Speaker 9: I feel like, when you look at this Giants roster, yes,
Speaker 9: he's gonna get playing time, but are we are we
Speaker 9: sure he's going to get as much playing time as
Speaker 9: he would if he had returned to Dallas. And for
Speaker 9: a six and a half million dollar price tag, this
Speaker 9: was one that was just so prizing to me. Stayed
Speaker 9: in division for a price I figured would have been higher.
Speaker 9: I thought he would have been closer to ten million, honestly,
Speaker 9: but he fell at the six and a half mark.
Speaker 9: It was six and a half per year, right, yeah, right, yep.
Speaker 9: It's this one was surprising to me.
Speaker 8: It really was.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I the thing that this is gonna sound terrible.
Speaker 2: I think this is on the player. And I mean
Speaker 2: I mean on the player, meaning on the player. But
Speaker 2: I guess I could put some blame on the Cowboys
Speaker 2: in previous regime. They never figured out a spot for
Speaker 2: this guy, you know. He It's like we were always
Speaker 2: kind of waiting for him. Is he an end? Is
Speaker 2: he a tackle? Everybody kind of had their their idea.
Speaker 2: Like we were training camp and you would see him
Speaker 2: playing outside and you're like, why is he playing outside?
Speaker 2: He needs to play inside, And then they playim in. It's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he starts playing well, you know,
Speaker 2: and you just kind of wonder, like it's very reminiscent
Speaker 2: of what we saw with Tyron Crawford's career, where he
Speaker 2: was like they didn't know is he a three technique?
Speaker 2: Is he an end, what is this guy? So the player,
Speaker 2: the player just struggled with that. I mean, this year
Speaker 2: was probably the best year you've ever seen him play.
Speaker 2: But is that because the front office and the coaching
Speaker 2: staff couldn't figure out a spot for him. I think
Speaker 2: that it was one of those things. It's probably too late.
Speaker 2: If he would have played, if he would have played
Speaker 2: like this two years ago, maybe you do have an
Speaker 2: extension here. Maybe and I'm blaming him, but yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess you need to blame the coaching staff in the
Speaker 2: front office because nobody ever figured out where this guy
Speaker 2: needed to play. And so yeah, and I think that's
Speaker 2: why you see the contract the way it is. You know,
Speaker 2: this are some questions, Wow, could he have stayed? And sure,
Speaker 2: but I think there's still there was like, wow, he
Speaker 2: only played, only did this for one year, so we
Speaker 2: were always waiting for him. He was going to be
Speaker 2: the Tank Lawrence replacement guy. It just never materialized that way.
Speaker 2: It's on the player, and it's on the front office
Speaker 2: and the coaching staff for not figuring out quickly enough
Speaker 2: where he where he needed to be.
Speaker 9: And just to clarify my point really quick, it's not
Speaker 9: necessarily a surprise that he departed Dallas.
Speaker 8: I think I expected that.
Speaker 9: The surprise is how it came about staying in division
Speaker 9: for that type of a price and going to a
Speaker 9: team where there are a lot of edge bodies, so
Speaker 9: you would have to think that maybe he would be
Speaker 9: factored into their interior defensive line situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know where to play him and they're
Speaker 2: giving him six and a half million times.
Speaker 7: Let me ask you guys this because you mentioned that,
Speaker 7: you mentioned Crawford as well, and I know there's been
Speaker 7: a number of guys that you always find yourself having
Speaker 7: the same type of situation, where is he this or
Speaker 7: is it that? Is that just kind of by default
Speaker 7: of what happens in the roster in the roster that
Speaker 7: you're always going to have a guy that kind of
Speaker 7: plays that role that you're uncertain of what they're gonna be.
Speaker 2: This team's had a lot of think about some of
Speaker 2: the draft picks that they've had in the secondary that
Speaker 2: they couldn't figure out if there were corners the day
Speaker 2: with Dan Byron Jones, couldn't figure out if Byron Jones
Speaker 2: was a corner or safety. You know, they didn't draft
Speaker 2: they didn't our guy that uh that uh in the
Speaker 2: Zeke draft. Uh, the corner from Florida State at the time,
Speaker 2: the safety that uh whom I mean the same draft
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen draft Florida.
Speaker 8: I'm as well, Blake and on the.
Speaker 2: It's the corner, the big time corner. Why do I
Speaker 2: can't remember damn names when I need to remember names.
Speaker 2: But it's it's with with the with the Rams the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: He's playing with the Dolphins now. Jalen Ramsey, Jayalen Ramsey.
Speaker 4: God, sorry a Cowboys Jack. No, I'm syah.
Speaker 2: It was a twenty sixteen draft. They couldn't figure out
Speaker 2: where to play Damn Jalen Ramsey. They couldn't. It's a corners.
Speaker 2: You say, well, we need to take Zeke. Well wait
Speaker 2: a minute, you got this guy, you know they see
Speaker 2: this is an issue. When you don't have an understanding
Speaker 2: of where your guy needs to be and you don't
Speaker 2: have a plan for him or an understanding of him,
Speaker 2: then what happens is you might have him and then
Speaker 2: he goes off somewhere else and you're like, wow, that
Speaker 2: was that was a loss right there Byron Jones. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know he went off to Miami and it didn't
Speaker 2: work out great for him. But Byron Jones, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, he's playing corner. No way, he's playing safety?
Speaker 2: Is he? What is he? And see, that's the uncertainty
Speaker 2: of your roster. I think that affects the way that
Speaker 2: you build your team. And unfortunately for some of these
Speaker 2: players like Chauncey Golston, I think that you developed Chauncey Golston.
Speaker 2: He should probably still be here playing. But that's on him,
Speaker 2: and that's on the coaches for not getting it done.
Speaker 9: I think that's a product also of it's one of
Speaker 9: the k I'm sorry, it's one of the cons of
Speaker 9: this of the scouting department seeking out versatile players, and
Speaker 9: I honestly think it is a correct approach and it's
Speaker 9: go find guys with versatility that can give you an
Speaker 9: impact in multiple spots. I mean, let's look at the
Speaker 9: roster right now. Guys that they have toyed around with
Speaker 9: in multiple spots. Tyler Smith, awesome, Richards. We've talked about
Speaker 9: the idea of Cooper BB. They have talked about the
Speaker 9: idea of Cooper BB. Obviously it hadn't happened on the
Speaker 9: defense side of the ball. Michael Parsons We've seen that
Speaker 9: get moved around to Ron Bland in some instances.
Speaker 8: Israel Mukuamu.
Speaker 9: That's that is one of the cons when you run
Speaker 9: into a situation like Chauncey Golson where you're trying to
Speaker 9: force it at maybe a spot where he's not as
Speaker 9: natural at But I take I would take the wins
Speaker 9: on the flip side of that, the wins of Tyler Smith,
Speaker 9: the wins of Michael Parsons.
Speaker 2: They won't play Tyler Smith at tackle.
Speaker 8: They fight you and it makes the run.
Speaker 2: They will fight you to play Tyler Smith at tackled.
Speaker 2: They will fight you about Yeah, they won't do it.
Speaker 2: So is that flexibility or do they They've come to
Speaker 2: their senses like if we move this guy, we're gonna
Speaker 2: hurt him. Is that is that? Is that really what
Speaker 2: it is?
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think they've seen at this point that he
Speaker 4: is a all pro guard and they're like, there's no
Speaker 4: point to move him back, Like you already know he's
Speaker 4: an all pro guard. Don't take a chance with will
Speaker 4: he be an all all pro center? I mean all
Speaker 4: pro tackle? We know he's an all pro guard. Keep
Speaker 4: him at at God's.
Speaker 8: Trimate center too. Let's see right right now.
Speaker 2: I wonder I wonder if if like the thought about
Speaker 2: Cooper BB. You know, could Cooper BB be your right guard?
Speaker 2: And I wonder what coach Riley coming in here with
Speaker 2: the idea of like, wow, you know what I didn't
Speaker 2: think about playing I mean, I just played in MC
Speaker 2: guard when I was in Kansas State. Man, this guy
Speaker 2: was a damn good guard. Wow. Yeah he plays center
Speaker 2: this well? Okay, so you know there needs to be uh.
Speaker 2: To me, I used to think in like Nick, I
Speaker 2: used to think, like you, that position flex was this
Speaker 2: great blessing. It's not. It's a curse because what happens
Speaker 2: is you don't play the you don't figure out the player,
Speaker 2: the player's position quick enough. You just like, well, he
Speaker 2: could do this, he could do that position flex.
Speaker 7: In theory sounds good.
Speaker 2: It theory, it sounds great.
Speaker 9: So they bring in Tyler Smith as a tackle. That's
Speaker 9: that's what he's drafted at. Yeah, and they just never
Speaker 9: give him the opportunity at guard. You would have you
Speaker 9: would you would have been okay with that.
Speaker 2: Lie. I was surprised. I honestly though, I was. To me,
Speaker 2: the fact that he had to play guard was because
Speaker 2: of Tyron Smith. You know, I mean, if Tyron Smith's
Speaker 2: not here, he's he's probably gonna be here. He's starting
Speaker 2: left tackle. Tyron Smith got hurt, he played well enough
Speaker 2: to be your starting tackle going forward, you know. And
Speaker 2: that's and then all of a sudden, Tyron Smith comes back,
Speaker 2: and what they have to do. They had to put
Speaker 2: him back at.
Speaker 4: Guard, and then they find out he's an All Pro guard.
Speaker 4: They kepn there. Like that's the point though, Like I
Speaker 4: think that's what Nick is saying, is that that level
Speaker 4: of flexibility is what got him to the guard position,
Speaker 4: because I.
Speaker 2: Think it was that of necessity is what that was
Speaker 2: the fact that he played tackle at Tulsa. Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: but to me play these guys where they where you
Speaker 2: feel like they could be your their absolute best.
Speaker 4: What do you think you coming out? Where'd you think
Speaker 4: he'd be best fit?
Speaker 2: Left tackle? Left tackle?
Speaker 9: Versatility kind of absolves the need of of being an
Speaker 9: emergency that was emergency.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and if you had to take a guess, what's
Speaker 7: the ratio here? What are we looking at versus things
Speaker 7: that were successful stories, Yeah, because of versatility or things
Speaker 7: that just like what we just talked about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just going down the list of persatile guys
Speaker 2: that don't do you know that, Wow, he's a nickel corner. No, wait,
Speaker 2: he's a slot. Wait is he a safety? And then
Speaker 2: and then he doesn't do it? And then you're like,
Speaker 2: what what is he? And then you waste opportunity with it.
Speaker 9: I think that's I think that's more so a coaching
Speaker 9: thing rather than it is a player.
Speaker 2: Or that's what I've been arguing in the last four.
Speaker 9: Minute scouting department philosophy. It's more so like, Okay, he
Speaker 9: has the ability to play these multiple spots. That is
Speaker 9: why we are drafting this guy, So we're going to
Speaker 9: try him at these multiple spots. I think at this point,
Speaker 9: when you're talking about an Israel mcwalm, wehere you're talking
Speaker 9: about Chouncy Goulston, trying him at these multiple spots just
Speaker 9: went on for a little too long.
Speaker 8: And if that's your argument, I agree.
Speaker 2: That is That is my argument.
Speaker 4: And you tell me it's not the flex it is
Speaker 4: how long they take him back.
Speaker 2: When you tell me, and I'm if I'm sitting in
Speaker 2: a draft room and you go and he goes, this
Speaker 2: guy's got position flex, I immediately go, Nick, what's his best position,
Speaker 2: because I am not going to be interested in trying
Speaker 2: him sometimes here, sometimes there, and then I look up
Speaker 2: and now he's gone. He's somewhere else because I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't play him at the position that he needs
Speaker 2: to be playing at.
Speaker 4: You know, I'll tell you this. With Chauncey Golson, I
Speaker 4: think one of the things that it looked like to
Speaker 4: me was he may have looked at this situation and thought,
Speaker 4: I don't know where I fit with this team moving forward.
Speaker 4: Marshawn Neelan is, in my opinion, a guy that they
Speaker 4: drafted to replace Tank Clawence. At whatever point Tank Clawrence
Speaker 4: is no longer here, he still is. I would think
Speaker 4: at this point there's no guarantee he won't be back
Speaker 4: next year. I'm talking about Tank. You got Sam Williams,
Speaker 4: who they drafted in the second round, who they who
Speaker 4: got hurt. They're still expecting, hopefully that he can come
Speaker 4: back around. So if I'm Chauncey, I'm looking at this
Speaker 4: and I'm saying, I know you were saying like it
Speaker 4: seems like he'd have a lot of opportunity here. I
Speaker 4: don't know if he felt like there was all this
Speaker 4: opportunity here because there's so many question marks about so
Speaker 4: many guys at Edge that I look at it and
Speaker 4: if I'm him, I'm thinking, maybe there are more opportunities
Speaker 4: for me to play more in New York than there
Speaker 4: are here, because I just don't know what the position
Speaker 4: looks like here.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the thing that made me question was there's so
Speaker 9: many talented Edge bodies, whether it be a Cavon Thibodeau,
Speaker 9: which could be a guy that they move on from,
Speaker 9: but they haven't.
Speaker 4: I don't think they've worked. It's completely happy with where
Speaker 4: they draft and what they've gotten.
Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely, they can't be.
Speaker 9: They can't be absolutely, and then Brian Burns, they can't
Speaker 9: be happy with the return that they've gotten, at least
Speaker 9: from the one year there. So maybe it makes sense
Speaker 9: from a giant's perspective, like, hey, let's bring in this
Speaker 9: fresh body who we saw twice last year, played really
Speaker 9: well and he can be a guy that can kind
Speaker 9: of push these other guys that will.
Speaker 4: Be a rotation guy for us. Yeah, for sure, because
Speaker 4: the money doesn't mean he has to be an immediate starter.
Speaker 4: I think he could be a rotation guy for them
Speaker 4: that helps their rotation pretty much.
Speaker 9: I'm just not one hundred percent sure he would have
Speaker 9: had the same opportunity in Dallas.
Speaker 8: I feel like he maybe would have.
Speaker 9: But hey, if it's a greener pastors for him, maybe,
Speaker 9: and if it works out for him, great, But I'm
Speaker 9: happy he got paid.
Speaker 8: He's a good dude and he deserves it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, real quick, before we end the show, too many dooga,
Speaker 4: he signs a two year deal with Jacksonville. What kind
Speaker 4: of impact does that have on the Cowboys if any?
Speaker 2: Well, he was like the life raft for the coach.
Speaker 4: He certainly was.
Speaker 2: No, No, he was alf he was. He was. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, the front office could not ask Mike McCarthy
Speaker 2: and those guys to play Tyler Geydon. Those coaches were
Speaker 2: trying to save their jobs and they saw that Tyler
Speaker 2: Geydon wasn't ready. The learning curve was too strong, you know,
Speaker 2: he wasn't ready to play. So they went with the
Speaker 2: player that gave him the best chance to win, and
Speaker 2: for the most part, it worked out for him that way.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this was he was. He I'll tell you this,
Speaker 2: He played far better than I thought he could play.
Speaker 2: You know, I need to change my opinion about him,
Speaker 2: because I think there was more than just a serviceable guy,
Speaker 2: a band aid guy. He gave them some good games,
Speaker 2: some good reps throughout this thing. And he was he
Speaker 2: was an absolute life raft for a situation with a
Speaker 2: rookie that wasn't ready to play.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he played left tackle, he filled in a left guard,
Speaker 8: right guard. It's a good thing. He has some versatility.
Speaker 9: Let me tell you no, But I think I think
Speaker 9: it's going to happen.
Speaker 2: You know it's gonna happen. Awesome. Richards is going to
Speaker 2: end up the same way. You're not going to figure
Speaker 2: out a position for Austoin Richards, and then he'll go
Speaker 2: off and start for somebody, and then we'll have this
Speaker 2: discussion again.
Speaker 9: Do you need to figure out a position for Austin Richards?
Speaker 9: I if you feel comfortable about your front five.
Speaker 2: You know what there's to me. I just play him,
Speaker 2: Just find a spot to play him at, you know,
Speaker 2: just figure it out. Is does he like playing guard?
Speaker 2: Does he feel more comfortable to guard? Does he feel
Speaker 2: more comfortable to tackle. They'll tell you, like, if you
Speaker 2: talk to the player, which I'm sure you have a
Speaker 2: million times, he'll tell you he wants to play guard,
Speaker 2: you know. But but the fact that he has to
Speaker 2: be ready for other positions. You do it out of necessity,
Speaker 2: but to me, find a position for these guys, develop
Speaker 2: that position, and then and then maybe maybe you want
Speaker 2: to sign this guy earlier than you're waiting to the
Speaker 2: last minute, like oh wow, we we really developed this
Speaker 2: guy and now he's somebody else's property. I'm not interested
Speaker 2: in doing that anymore.
Speaker 9: The thing, the thing I think I'm trying to pick
Speaker 9: your brain on here is like, Okay, let's say.
Speaker 2: That we're playing go fish again.
Speaker 8: We're playing go fish again.
Speaker 9: Okay, Let's let's say, Okay, awesome Richards, we want you
Speaker 9: to be a left tackle. Yeah, and we are going
Speaker 9: to keep you a left tackle. Yeah, Tyler, guy never
Speaker 9: gets hurt, he succeeds, and you never have to play
Speaker 9: Awesome Richards. But you have all these problems in at
Speaker 9: left guard and right guard. You need somebody to fill in.
Speaker 9: I'm playing guards around the guards and guard. You look
Speaker 9: him around the room and you're like, he's the best
Speaker 9: guard on our roster.
Speaker 8: I'm not saying he is.
Speaker 2: Well, if he's the best guard on your roster, then
Speaker 2: playing at guard but.
Speaker 9: Not the best guard on your roster, the best guard
Speaker 9: that you have in the depth of your playing the guard.
Speaker 9: But okay, but you already had him at tackle because
Speaker 9: you think he could be a better tackle if the
Speaker 9: thing about it's saying it is like, I think the
Speaker 9: versatility really could work for guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and versatility also will make you, like get signed
Speaker 2: by the Giants for six and a half million dollars.
Speaker 4: But I guess that's that's the question. Is he a
Speaker 4: starting caliber player? Because if he is, then I.
Speaker 2: Figure it out.
Speaker 4: No, but I'm saying I agree with you, Brian, But
Speaker 4: here's the problem. If he's not a starter caliber player,
Speaker 4: if he's always going to be a death guy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: if he's always going to be a deaf guy, that
Speaker 4: versatility matters. That's what's going to keep him in the end.
Speaker 2: You know he could play both. But but what you
Speaker 2: need to do is you need to make sure that
Speaker 2: he's playing the one position that he's absolutely that you
Speaker 2: feel like though that, Okay, I think this guy, let's
Speaker 2: develop the one position. If he has to play guard
Speaker 2: in the game, I'm fine. But if he but developing
Speaker 2: in the one position that he's the best at, continue
Speaker 2: to work on that part because that's the thing you're
Speaker 2: probably going to, and you're going to when something happens,
Speaker 2: you're going to need him to be ready to be
Speaker 2: that guy. I think playing guard is just a sometime
Speaker 2: thing planned left tackle, I think is more what his
Speaker 2: career path should be.
Speaker 7: I think we're all saying the same thing, just in
Speaker 7: different ways.
Speaker 2: Not me and Nick.
Speaker 7: No, No, it depends.
Speaker 4: On what I'm trying to figure out what y'all are
Speaker 4: talking about. Look, I kind of agree with him. I
Speaker 4: think it's very similar, look at it very different.
Speaker 2: You know, he wants position flexibility. I'm interested in, and
Speaker 2: I think I got this right, Nick, You're interested in
Speaker 2: like working guys, keep working guys at both spots. I'm
Speaker 2: more interested in developing the guy at the spot that
Speaker 2: they're their absolute best at. And if they have to
Speaker 2: play the other position, then so be it. But I'm
Speaker 2: not spending a lot of reps trying to develop them
Speaker 2: at both positions. I'm going to pick it.
Speaker 4: But I think that's what Nick saying, right. I don't
Speaker 4: think Nick saying you need to split their reps in practice.
Speaker 4: What I think he is is that what you say.
Speaker 9: I could see that more so early on. I'll make
Speaker 9: this quick, I promise, more so early on in a career,
Speaker 9: like by the time you get to your second training camp, Yes,
Speaker 9: I'm with you, Brian. Yeah, once you get to like
Speaker 9: the back half of your second training camp, it's like,
Speaker 9: all right, man, we're gonna we're gonna keep you here,
Speaker 9: and if we need to fill you in in another spot,
Speaker 9: then we'll train you at that spot. But as of
Speaker 9: right now, you know we're gonna move forward. I'm saying
Speaker 9: from a scouting perspective, I would love to go get versatility.
Speaker 9: I would love to find versatility because this guy could
Speaker 9: have an impact in multiple spots.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 9: But to credit to your philosophy, you look at a
Speaker 9: program like the Ravens. Yeah, specifically in their secondary they
Speaker 9: draft so many versatile dbs, but they bring them in,
Speaker 9: they figure out where they're at training camp.
Speaker 8: They're like, we're keeping you at corner work, keeping you
Speaker 8: in safety.
Speaker 9: So there is credit to your type of philosophy, but
Speaker 9: I think there's also credit to the versatility philosophy. It's
Speaker 9: just kind of two different ways of thinking about things.
Speaker 9: I've seen this Sor, and I understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that I've seen this organization waste guys are
Speaker 2: here I've seen them just because of position flex because
Speaker 2: there they haven't they haven't found the right position. And
Speaker 2: then these guys go.
Speaker 9: Wait, waited too long. And I'm with you there, I
Speaker 9: agree with you. I agree with you, understanding all right,
Speaker 9: appreciate the truth. Great to be far from a movie
Speaker 9: that you're on. The draft show more, we are more
Speaker 9: of it.
Speaker 4: We're back next week. We'll have more to talk about.
Speaker 4: Hopefully the Cowboys will have some more signings we can
Speaker 4: get into. We still have not gotten our scouting reports.
Speaker 4: We'll do that a little little bit next week. Talk
Speaker 4: about some of the guys they've signed and signed and
Speaker 4: brought onto the team. Till then, for Nick Harris, Brian
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