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Speaker 4: It is Wednesday, March twelfth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,

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Speaker 4: Episode number one. Welcome to the latest edition of Rayquilacnest Studios.

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Speaker 4: Wow at the Star.

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Speaker 2: First day of the new league year.

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Speaker 4: It is the first of the league maybe new year, everybody, man,

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Speaker 4: not a surprise they won.

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Speaker 7: I just I don't know. It's just always funny how

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Speaker 7: we do episode numbers is what do.

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Speaker 2: We end up with?

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Speaker 4: By the way, we ended up with one hundred and five.

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Speaker 4: You good, one hundred and five, a little less than

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Speaker 4: we did last year. So we have to talk about that.

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Speaker 7: These guys have disappear.

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Speaker 4: I want to say, we did like one seventeen last year,

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Speaker 4: So we got to ask their conversations about that. See

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Speaker 4: how we can get that back up. I'm sure the

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Speaker 4: listeners out there like yeah, I know it's been a problem.

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Speaker 4: So we'll figure.

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Speaker 2: Out other podcast you can look at to stop it.

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Speaker 4: We're not going to promote all your other podcasts, twenty.

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Speaker 2: Of them, The Draft Show, the Draft Show, yeah, Drash Show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you could definitely go check out the Draft.

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Speaker 2: Botch and I have a show together. You can do

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Speaker 2: that too, I'll.

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Speaker 4: Do Okay, okay, free agency. We'll talk free agency. I

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Speaker 4: do want to first start. I want to get just

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Speaker 4: in a general just your general thoughts on free agency.

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Speaker 4: I'm not talking about even the Cowboys specifically, just the

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Speaker 4: first couple of days of free agency across the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Anything pop out to you, anything interesting to you worth noting.

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Speaker 8: You said across the NFL CROs the.

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Speaker 4: NFL just in a free agency this year, the tone

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think you look at the Niners and then

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Speaker 9: them kind of blowing up that roster in a way,

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Speaker 9: I think that's I think that's a fascinating, you know,

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Speaker 9: situation that's happened there Philadelphia. Yeah, they've lost some guys too,

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Speaker 9: but at San Francisco really looks like they are just

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Speaker 9: getting ready to pay this quarterback and they're getting rid

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Speaker 9: of all the extra pieces that they don't feel like

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Speaker 9: they'll need so, I mean, whether it's letting Joey or

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Speaker 9: who's been one of their culture blocker room leaders for

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Speaker 9: a long time, or trading Deebo Samuel or letting Sharvarius

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Speaker 9: lot of talented players on both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 9: San Francisco has gone from man, they're gonna have a

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Speaker 9: luxury to pick whoever they want at eleven too, man,

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Speaker 9: that's been the thing that probably stod outs to me

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Speaker 9: the most. I don't think there's anything too surprising about,

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Speaker 9: really doesn't matter until the preseason or season comes around

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Speaker 9: I don't I don't really buy into the man, this

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Speaker 8: We get to the season.

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Speaker 2: I hate free agency.

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Speaker 8: Is it because you're here?

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Speaker 2: No, it's because he's a draft guy. I hate, I hate, no,

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Speaker 2: Today was a day we started free agency. It was

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Speaker 7: Pre agency to me, this year has been completely different

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Speaker 7: we started hearing of those external signings, but now before

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Speaker 4: That is true. I think typically we've all gotten accustomed

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Speaker 4: list of free agents. Some of the guys that they've

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Speaker 4: which you know. Actually I'll ask that question because I

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Speaker 2: It starts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But my question is Brian Anger, and I don't

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Speaker 2: Any thoughts on punters.

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Speaker 9: I you know, I think there was a little bit

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Speaker 9: of a regress. Yeah, I don't think it's a huge ordeal. Yes,

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Speaker 9: he's thirty six, and yes you have him for two

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Speaker 9: consistency for Brandon Aubrey is probably the most important thing here,

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Speaker 9: and he's the holder for He's the only NFL holder

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Speaker 9: that Brandon Aubrey has known. I think that's more important

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you only notice it when you're really

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Speaker 2: It would be backed up and then he'd done cork

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Speaker 2: last year on that it was not not as many

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Speaker 2: I say, you notice it when teams field positioned after

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Speaker 2: And I think that that's something that I'll always appreciate

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I understand why you post a question, Derek, But

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Speaker 7: not enough for you to not want to bring him back.

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Speaker 7: And just like Nick mentioned the importance he brings to

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Speaker 7: See with my answer, it's kind of weird the way

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Speaker 4: let's talk about some of the guys that cowboys have lost.

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest one is Jordan Lewis. I made

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Speaker 2: him back. But you know Jacksonville, you know cap Space,

436
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Speaker 2: new coach, new things going on down there. It's too

437
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Speaker 2: good of an offer for Jordan Lewis to pass. And

438
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Speaker 2: congratulate to him because on and off the field, he's

439
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Speaker 2: the one guy that and Ambar likes to talk about this,

440
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Speaker 2: he is the one guy that survived everybody that doubted him.

441
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Speaker 2: He was the one guy standing at the end of

442
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Speaker 2: the day. Everybody else who doubted him is no longer here,

443
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Speaker 2: and so good for him forgetting that deal.

444
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you can only root for a guy like that,

445
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Speaker 7: And congratulations to him and what he was able to get.

446
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Speaker 7: And I've never been in a lot of these contract negotiations,

447
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Speaker 7: negotiations obviously in the NFL, but I would assume that

448
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 7: the way it works, it's like, Hey, this team is

449
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Speaker 7: offering me this, What can you offer me? Can you

450
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Speaker 7: match the offer? Can you give me more?

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Speaker 12: Like?

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Speaker 7: Where are we at? If you don't meet that, then

453
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Speaker 7: obviously you go the highest bid. And I think this

454
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Speaker 7: is what happened. At the same time, I've heard the

455
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Speaker 7: Cowboys discuss this multiple times in the way they handle

456
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Speaker 7: certain things where it's like, Okay, you can get this

457
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Speaker 7: player for X amount of money, or you can get

458
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Speaker 7: this other player, this other player, that other player, three

459
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Speaker 7: more players that can add depth in other positions that

460
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Speaker 7: are clearly needed. And that's the way that I think

461
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Speaker 7: how I see it is what happened here. They saw

462
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Speaker 7: more value, not that they don't see the value in Jordan,

463
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Speaker 7: but at this time they just saw more value in

464
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Speaker 7: spreading their money around and adding depth in other positions

465
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Speaker 7: that are clearly needed on the team right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we all agree this would have been

467
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Speaker 4: a difficult deal for Dallas to do in some respects,

468
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Speaker 4: But the reality is, when you look at what's left,

469
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Speaker 4: it took a position that was already a bit challenged

470
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Speaker 4: and made it maybe the position that's most challenged on

471
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Speaker 4: this team right now. You look at Trayvon Diggs, he's

472
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Speaker 4: out hurt and don't really know exactly when he's going

473
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Speaker 4: to be back. The suspicion is maybe you have him

474
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Speaker 4: back by the season, but that's not a guarantee. And

475
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Speaker 4: then you got de Ron Bland. You've got Kayln Carson,

476
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Speaker 4: who last year they kind of threw in the fire,

477
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Speaker 4: probably a little early because they had to because of injuries.

478
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Speaker 4: And we'll see how much he develops. But based on

479
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Speaker 4: all that, where do you say, how much do you

480
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Speaker 4: think this has impacted Dallas And has this become for

481
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Speaker 4: you a position where they really now maybe in a

482
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Speaker 4: really really tough position.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, to the point where you would look at it

484
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Speaker 2: at twelve, I think that I think there's a couple

485
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Speaker 2: of guys in play here. You know, we talked about

486
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Speaker 2: it here at the break a little bit, but I

487
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Speaker 2: think you do have to keep an eye on Will

488
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Speaker 2: Johnson from Michigan, the corner there. You know, there are

489
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Speaker 2: some there's some corners in this draft that are outstanding players,

490
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Speaker 2: a lot of them coming off injuries. Some of the

491
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Speaker 2: top ones. If you talk about Revel from East Carolina,

492
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Speaker 2: Morrison from Notre Dame. You know you don't have a

493
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Speaker 2: forty yard dash time on Will Johnson. He's got a

494
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Speaker 2: hamstring problem that he's dealing with. April fourteenth is that day.

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Speaker 2: There there's a lot of questions about these corners at

496
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Speaker 2: the top of this board. And I even even if

497
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Speaker 2: they would assigned Jordan Lewis, I think corner was still

498
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Speaker 2: in play. Defensive tackle, corner, running back wide receiver. Just

499
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Speaker 2: take your pick. Uh So, yeah, I I I don't

500
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Speaker 2: think that's changed at all for them.

501
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Speaker 9: Your only healthy cornerbacks on the roster right now, as

502
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Speaker 9: we said today, are Deron Bland, Andrew Booth, Junior, Keemon Hall,

503
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Speaker 9: and Kayln Carson. And if the season were to start today,

504
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Speaker 9: you'd probably be starting Andrew Booth or Keemon Hall.

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Speaker 4: Oh, we're glad the season isn't starting.

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Speaker 8: Very glad day one of the of the league, League

507
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Speaker 8: year and happy year. We still got six months.

508
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Speaker 9: But yeah, it's a they're they're gonna have to address

509
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Speaker 9: corner and they can't only just do it in the draft.

510
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Speaker 9: They need to go get a guy in free agency

511
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Speaker 9: as well. They need to go get a body there,

512
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Speaker 9: a veteran body. Bring in somebody that can compete for

513
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Speaker 9: a starting job, whether that be on the outside or

514
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Speaker 9: the inside. Losing Jordan Lewis, you do have a little

515
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Speaker 9: bit of flexibility in this since that Deron Bland has

516
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Speaker 9: played inside going back to his rookie year. But if

517
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Speaker 9: you're asking Deron Bland, I bet you he's gonna want

518
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Speaker 9: to stick on the outside because the money's better there.

519
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Speaker 2: The the compensatory picks were announced this I'm sure Derek's

520
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Speaker 2: going to go through that all the fifth round picks.

521
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Speaker 2: I'm going to make a prediction Dallas is going to

522
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Speaker 2: look in the trade market, much like they did with

523
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Speaker 2: with Gilmore and Cooks. With those fives, they're going to

524
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Speaker 2: three of them. Yeah, they're going to look at and

525
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Speaker 2: they got that. You know, they got a six too,

526
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Speaker 2: But they're going to I think that they're going to

527
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Speaker 2: and those picks are all kind of back to back

528
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Speaker 2: to each other if you look at it, So keep

529
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Speaker 2: an eye on. I think Dallas is exploring adding a

530
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Speaker 2: player through trade like they did earlier, like well actually

531
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Speaker 2: a couple of years ago with Gilmore and Cooks.

532
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Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on guys like a Sante Samuel

533
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 4: Junior Russell Douglas. These are two cornerbacks that are still

534
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Speaker 4: available right now in free agency. Would you look at

535
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Speaker 4: either of those two guys or do you really think

536
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 4: this is going to have to come from either a

537
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Speaker 4: players on another roster or the draft.

538
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Speaker 8: I'm more of a Rasoul Douglas guy. If we're looking

539
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Speaker 8: at both of those.

540
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Speaker 9: Saute Samuel has had some issues in the past defending

541
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Speaker 9: the run, and I don't want two corners that can't

542
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Speaker 9: defend the run. Has also had some issues and playing,

543
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Speaker 9: Man Press, I want a physical corner if I'm going

544
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Speaker 9: to go out and spend money on one. That's why

545
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Speaker 9: I'm more of a Rossul Douglas guy. Granted he is older,

546
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Speaker 9: but I think you do need a veteran in that room.

547
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I and they might not take Samuel because of

548
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: his his way. He's built. He's a smaller guy.

549
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 4: Reason why he's not great.

550
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there, man Press, all of a sudden,

551
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Speaker 2: you're starting to talk about you know, now you have

552
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Speaker 2: to look. Will McLay is very specific about what he's

553
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: looking at for these corners. So there's some guys on

554
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Speaker 2: this list. I mean, we've talked about Baron from Texas. Gosh,

555
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: what a great player, but he might not fit the

556
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 2: metrics that you're looking at with this with this front office.

557
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 2: So you know that that eliminates one right there that

558
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Speaker 2: me personally, man, I this kid reminds me of Trent

559
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: McDuffie from the from the Kansas City. The way he plays,

560
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: that would be. But if you don't like Trent McDuffie,

561
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Speaker 2: I don't know what I can do for you.

562
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Speaker 4: It's going to be I saw him comp to Brian

563
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Speaker 4: Branch and I was like, yeah, bring you another Brian.

564
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Speaker 2: I think actually that Brian Branch is I don't know

565
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: if you could play Barren as that linebacker kind of thing.

566
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: Could you see Branch play down a lot? But man

567
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Speaker 2: a very good player.

568
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Speaker 4: And they moving around the Texas moving around the secondary

569
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Speaker 4: a ton. He has flexibility as position. Sure, you can

570
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Speaker 4: do a lot of different things.

571
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Speaker 7: I think I was just gonna say, don't be surprised

572
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 7: if we do actually see some kind of trade happening

573
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Speaker 7: for that position, because absolutely at the moment, and just

574
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Speaker 7: like you said, Nick, this has to happen before the draft,

575
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Speaker 7: because even if you're looking to, let's say, draft a corner,

576
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 7: you still based on everything that the Cowboys always say,

577
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 7: they want to be able to feel good enough on

578
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Speaker 7: every position or most positions prior to getting into the

579
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Speaker 7: draft so that they're not fully forced to draft a

580
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Speaker 7: certain player and that they can go more of the

581
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Speaker 7: best player available approach. But yeah, don't be surprised for

582
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 7: some trades happening in the near future.

583
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Speaker 9: A couple of quotes last week from Jerry and Steven

584
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Speaker 9: Jones about the idea of a trade. This is from

585
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Speaker 9: after the Zach Martin presser. Jerry Jones says that draft

586
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Speaker 9: picks this time of year at our premium and could

587
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Speaker 9: be used a lot more in a trade. He said

588
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 9: the team has the quote bait out on trade possibilities,

589
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Speaker 9: but will wait for other teams to come to them

590
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Speaker 9: and then Stephen Jones later on, when asked about big

591
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Speaker 9: names floating around the trade market, he said, we're looking

592
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Speaker 9: for what fits and what works for us. Big Names,

593
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 9: in my mind, aren't always the answer. Big names don't

594
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Speaker 9: always pan out as well. But then he went into

595
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Speaker 9: describing Saquon Barkley and that being a big name that

596
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Speaker 9: worked out for Philadelphia. But I think this team is

597
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 9: certainly looking at trade possibility. Stephen Jones mentioned in Indianapolis,

598
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Speaker 9: when you have ten draft picks, you can certainly use

599
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Speaker 9: one or two on getting a veteran.

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Speaker 4: We're back. Final segment of the break Life in s

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Speaker 4: WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, Let's talk about Chauncey

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Speaker 4: GOLs and he signs with the New York Giants three

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Speaker 4: year deal nineteen point five million. I guess my biggest question,

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Speaker 4: and we're gonna get to Solomon Thomas in a minute

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Speaker 4: when we talk about some of the guys they've played.

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Speaker 4: But when I saw this, this signing, it made me think, well,

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Speaker 4: did the Cowboys get that they got a guy who's

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Speaker 4: versatile on the defensive line. Did they get a guy

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Speaker 4: who is essentially a Chauncey Golston type player with a

676
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Speaker 4: little more experience, maybe a little more aware on the tires,

677
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Speaker 4: but a little more experience, but that kind of player.

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Speaker 9: I think he's kind of the inverse of Chauncey Golston

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Speaker 9: in the sense of more defensive, more defensive tackle, and

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Speaker 9: I think he was forced at times to go to

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Speaker 9: end and it never really panned out for him in

682
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Speaker 9: my eyes, at least at two ninety five.

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Speaker 8: Put that guy inside this.

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Speaker 9: This Chauncey Golston signing is interesting to me just because

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Speaker 9: I feel like, when you look at this Giants roster, yes,

686
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Speaker 9: he's gonna get playing time, but are we are we

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Speaker 9: sure he's going to get as much playing time as

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Speaker 9: he would if he had returned to Dallas. And for

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Speaker 9: a six and a half million dollar price tag, this

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Speaker 9: was one that was just so prizing to me. Stayed

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Speaker 9: in division for a price I figured would have been higher.

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Speaker 9: I thought he would have been closer to ten million, honestly,

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Speaker 9: but he fell at the six and a half mark.

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Speaker 9: It was six and a half per year, right, yeah, right, yep.

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Speaker 9: It's this one was surprising to me.

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Speaker 8: It really was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I the thing that this is gonna sound terrible.

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Speaker 2: I think this is on the player. And I mean

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Speaker 2: I mean on the player, meaning on the player. But

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Speaker 2: I guess I could put some blame on the Cowboys

701
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Speaker 2: in previous regime. They never figured out a spot for

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Speaker 2: this guy, you know. He It's like we were always

703
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Speaker 2: kind of waiting for him. Is he an end? Is

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Speaker 2: he a tackle? Everybody kind of had their their idea.

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Speaker 2: Like we were training camp and you would see him

706
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Speaker 2: playing outside and you're like, why is he playing outside?

707
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Speaker 2: He needs to play inside, And then they playim in. It's like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he starts playing well, you know,

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Speaker 2: and you just kind of wonder, like it's very reminiscent

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Speaker 2: of what we saw with Tyron Crawford's career, where he

711
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Speaker 2: was like they didn't know is he a three technique?

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00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: Is he an end, what is this guy? So the player,

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00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: the player just struggled with that. I mean, this year

714
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: was probably the best year you've ever seen him play.

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Speaker 2: But is that because the front office and the coaching

716
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: staff couldn't figure out a spot for him. I think

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Speaker 2: that it was one of those things. It's probably too late.

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Speaker 2: If he would have played, if he would have played

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Speaker 2: like this two years ago, maybe you do have an

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Speaker 2: extension here. Maybe and I'm blaming him, but yeah, I

721
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Speaker 2: guess you need to blame the coaching staff in the

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Speaker 2: front office because nobody ever figured out where this guy

723
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Speaker 2: needed to play. And so yeah, and I think that's

724
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Speaker 2: why you see the contract the way it is. You know,

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Speaker 2: this are some questions, Wow, could he have stayed? And sure,

726
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Speaker 2: but I think there's still there was like, wow, he

727
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Speaker 2: only played, only did this for one year, so we

728
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Speaker 2: were always waiting for him. He was going to be

729
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: the Tank Lawrence replacement guy. It just never materialized that way.

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Speaker 2: It's on the player, and it's on the front office

731
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Speaker 2: and the coaching staff for not figuring out quickly enough

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Speaker 2: where he where he needed to be.

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Speaker 9: And just to clarify my point really quick, it's not

734
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Speaker 9: necessarily a surprise that he departed Dallas.

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Speaker 8: I think I expected that.

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Speaker 9: The surprise is how it came about staying in division

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Speaker 9: for that type of a price and going to a

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Speaker 9: team where there are a lot of edge bodies, so

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Speaker 9: you would have to think that maybe he would be

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Speaker 9: factored into their interior defensive line situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know where to play him and they're

742
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Speaker 2: giving him six and a half million times.

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Speaker 7: Let me ask you guys this because you mentioned that,

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Speaker 7: you mentioned Crawford as well, and I know there's been

745
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Speaker 7: a number of guys that you always find yourself having

746
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Speaker 7: the same type of situation, where is he this or

747
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Speaker 7: is it that? Is that just kind of by default

748
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Speaker 7: of what happens in the roster in the roster that

749
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Speaker 7: you're always going to have a guy that kind of

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Speaker 7: plays that role that you're uncertain of what they're gonna be.

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Speaker 2: This team's had a lot of think about some of

752
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: the draft picks that they've had in the secondary that

753
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: they couldn't figure out if there were corners the day

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Speaker 2: with Dan Byron Jones, couldn't figure out if Byron Jones

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Speaker 2: was a corner or safety. You know, they didn't draft

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Speaker 2: they didn't our guy that uh that uh in the

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Speaker 2: Zeke draft. Uh, the corner from Florida State at the time,

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Speaker 2: the safety that uh whom I mean the same draft

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen draft Florida.

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Speaker 8: I'm as well, Blake and on the.

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Speaker 2: It's the corner, the big time corner. Why do I

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Speaker 2: can't remember damn names when I need to remember names.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's with with the with the Rams the Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: He's playing with the Dolphins now. Jalen Ramsey, Jayalen Ramsey.

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Speaker 4: God, sorry a Cowboys Jack. No, I'm syah.

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Speaker 2: It was a twenty sixteen draft. They couldn't figure out

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Speaker 2: where to play Damn Jalen Ramsey. They couldn't. It's a corners.

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Speaker 2: You say, well, we need to take Zeke. Well wait

769
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Speaker 2: a minute, you got this guy, you know they see

770
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Speaker 2: this is an issue. When you don't have an understanding

771
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Speaker 2: of where your guy needs to be and you don't

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Speaker 2: have a plan for him or an understanding of him,

773
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: then what happens is you might have him and then

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Speaker 2: he goes off somewhere else and you're like, wow, that

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Speaker 2: was that was a loss right there Byron Jones. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know he went off to Miami and it didn't

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Speaker 2: work out great for him. But Byron Jones, all of

778
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Speaker 2: a sudden, he's playing corner. No way, he's playing safety?

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Speaker 2: Is he? What is he? And see, that's the uncertainty

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Speaker 2: of your roster. I think that affects the way that

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00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: you build your team. And unfortunately for some of these

782
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Speaker 2: players like Chauncey Golston, I think that you developed Chauncey Golston.

783
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Speaker 2: He should probably still be here playing. But that's on him,

784
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Speaker 2: and that's on the coaches for not getting it done.

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Speaker 9: I think that's a product also of it's one of

786
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Speaker 9: the k I'm sorry, it's one of the cons of

787
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Speaker 9: this of the scouting department seeking out versatile players, and

788
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Speaker 9: I honestly think it is a correct approach and it's

789
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Speaker 9: go find guys with versatility that can give you an

790
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Speaker 9: impact in multiple spots. I mean, let's look at the

791
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 9: roster right now. Guys that they have toyed around with

792
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Speaker 9: in multiple spots. Tyler Smith, awesome, Richards. We've talked about

793
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 9: the idea of Cooper BB. They have talked about the

794
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 9: idea of Cooper BB. Obviously it hadn't happened on the

795
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 9: defense side of the ball. Michael Parsons We've seen that

796
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 9: get moved around to Ron Bland in some instances.

797
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Speaker 8: Israel Mukuamu.

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Speaker 9: That's that is one of the cons when you run

799
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Speaker 9: into a situation like Chauncey Golson where you're trying to

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Speaker 9: force it at maybe a spot where he's not as

801
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Speaker 9: natural at But I take I would take the wins

802
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Speaker 9: on the flip side of that, the wins of Tyler Smith,

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Speaker 9: the wins of Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 2: They won't play Tyler Smith at tackle.

805
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Speaker 8: They fight you and it makes the run.

806
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Speaker 2: They will fight you to play Tyler Smith at tackled.

807
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Speaker 2: They will fight you about Yeah, they won't do it.

808
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 2: So is that flexibility or do they They've come to

809
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Speaker 2: their senses like if we move this guy, we're gonna

810
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Speaker 2: hurt him. Is that is that? Is that really what

811
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Speaker 2: it is?

812
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Speaker 4: Honestly, I think they've seen at this point that he

813
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 4: is a all pro guard and they're like, there's no

814
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 4: point to move him back, Like you already know he's

815
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Speaker 4: an all pro guard. Don't take a chance with will

816
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Speaker 4: he be an all all pro center? I mean all

817
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Speaker 4: pro tackle? We know he's an all pro guard. Keep

818
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Speaker 4: him at at God's.

819
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Speaker 8: Trimate center too. Let's see right right now.

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Speaker 2: I wonder I wonder if if like the thought about

821
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Speaker 2: Cooper BB. You know, could Cooper BB be your right guard?

822
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Speaker 2: And I wonder what coach Riley coming in here with

823
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Speaker 2: the idea of like, wow, you know what I didn't

824
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Speaker 2: think about playing I mean, I just played in MC

825
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: guard when I was in Kansas State. Man, this guy

826
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Speaker 2: was a damn good guard. Wow. Yeah he plays center

827
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Speaker 2: this well? Okay, so you know there needs to be uh.

828
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Speaker 2: To me, I used to think in like Nick, I

829
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Speaker 2: used to think, like you, that position flex was this

830
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Speaker 2: great blessing. It's not. It's a curse because what happens

831
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Speaker 2: is you don't play the you don't figure out the player,

832
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: the player's position quick enough. You just like, well, he

833
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: could do this, he could do that position flex.

834
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Speaker 7: In theory sounds good.

835
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: It theory, it sounds great.

836
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Speaker 9: So they bring in Tyler Smith as a tackle. That's

837
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Speaker 9: that's what he's drafted at. Yeah, and they just never

838
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Speaker 9: give him the opportunity at guard. You would have you

839
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Speaker 9: would you would have been okay with that.

840
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Speaker 2: Lie. I was surprised. I honestly though, I was. To me,

841
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Speaker 2: the fact that he had to play guard was because

842
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: of Tyron Smith. You know, I mean, if Tyron Smith's

843
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: not here, he's he's probably gonna be here. He's starting

844
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Speaker 2: left tackle. Tyron Smith got hurt, he played well enough

845
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Speaker 2: to be your starting tackle going forward, you know. And

846
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Speaker 2: that's and then all of a sudden, Tyron Smith comes back,

847
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 2: and what they have to do. They had to put

848
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Speaker 2: him back at.

849
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Speaker 4: Guard, and then they find out he's an All Pro guard.

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Speaker 4: They kepn there. Like that's the point though, Like I

851
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Speaker 4: think that's what Nick is saying, is that that level

852
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Speaker 4: of flexibility is what got him to the guard position,

853
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Speaker 4: because I.

854
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Speaker 2: Think it was that of necessity is what that was

855
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 2: the fact that he played tackle at Tulsa. Okay, fine,

856
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: but to me play these guys where they where you

857
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 2: feel like they could be your their absolute best.

858
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Speaker 4: What do you think you coming out? Where'd you think

859
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Speaker 4: he'd be best fit?

860
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Speaker 2: Left tackle? Left tackle?

861
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Speaker 9: Versatility kind of absolves the need of of being an

862
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 9: emergency that was emergency.

863
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and if you had to take a guess, what's

864
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Speaker 7: the ratio here? What are we looking at versus things

865
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Speaker 7: that were successful stories, Yeah, because of versatility or things

866
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Speaker 7: that just like what we just talked about.

867
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just going down the list of persatile guys

868
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 2: that don't do you know that, Wow, he's a nickel corner. No, wait,

869
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: he's a slot. Wait is he a safety? And then

870
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: and then he doesn't do it? And then you're like,

871
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: what what is he? And then you waste opportunity with it.

872
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 9: I think that's I think that's more so a coaching

873
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 9: thing rather than it is a player.

874
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: Or that's what I've been arguing in the last four.

875
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 9: Minute scouting department philosophy. It's more so like, Okay, he

876
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 9: has the ability to play these multiple spots. That is

877
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 9: why we are drafting this guy, So we're going to

878
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 9: try him at these multiple spots. I think at this point,

879
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 9: when you're talking about an Israel mcwalm, wehere you're talking

880
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 9: about Chouncy Goulston, trying him at these multiple spots just

881
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 9: went on for a little too long.

882
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 8: And if that's your argument, I agree.

883
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: That is That is my argument.

884
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 4: And you tell me it's not the flex it is

885
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 4: how long they take him back.

886
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: When you tell me, and I'm if I'm sitting in

887
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: a draft room and you go and he goes, this

888
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: guy's got position flex, I immediately go, Nick, what's his best position,

889
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 2: because I am not going to be interested in trying

890
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: him sometimes here, sometimes there, and then I look up

891
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: and now he's gone. He's somewhere else because I didn't.

892
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: I didn't play him at the position that he needs

893
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: to be playing at.

894
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 4: You know, I'll tell you this. With Chauncey Golson, I

895
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 4: think one of the things that it looked like to

896
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 4: me was he may have looked at this situation and thought,

897
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 4: I don't know where I fit with this team moving forward.

898
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 4: Marshawn Neelan is, in my opinion, a guy that they

899
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 4: drafted to replace Tank Clawence. At whatever point Tank Clawrence

900
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 4: is no longer here, he still is. I would think

901
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 4: at this point there's no guarantee he won't be back

902
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 4: next year. I'm talking about Tank. You got Sam Williams,

903
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 4: who they drafted in the second round, who they who

904
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 4: got hurt. They're still expecting, hopefully that he can come

905
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 4: back around. So if I'm Chauncey, I'm looking at this

906
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 4: and I'm saying, I know you were saying like it

907
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 4: seems like he'd have a lot of opportunity here. I

908
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 4: don't know if he felt like there was all this

909
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 4: opportunity here because there's so many question marks about so

910
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 4: many guys at Edge that I look at it and

911
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 4: if I'm him, I'm thinking, maybe there are more opportunities

912
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 4: for me to play more in New York than there

913
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 4: are here, because I just don't know what the position

914
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 4: looks like here.

915
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, the thing that made me question was there's so

916
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 9: many talented Edge bodies, whether it be a Cavon Thibodeau,

917
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 9: which could be a guy that they move on from,

918
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 9: but they haven't.

919
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 4: I don't think they've worked. It's completely happy with where

920
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 4: they draft and what they've gotten.

921
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely, they can't be.

922
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 9: They can't be absolutely, and then Brian Burns, they can't

923
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 9: be happy with the return that they've gotten, at least

924
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 9: from the one year there. So maybe it makes sense

925
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 9: from a giant's perspective, like, hey, let's bring in this

926
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 9: fresh body who we saw twice last year, played really

927
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 9: well and he can be a guy that can kind

928
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 9: of push these other guys that will.

929
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 4: Be a rotation guy for us. Yeah, for sure, because

930
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 4: the money doesn't mean he has to be an immediate starter.

931
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 4: I think he could be a rotation guy for them

932
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 4: that helps their rotation pretty much.

933
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 9: I'm just not one hundred percent sure he would have

934
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 9: had the same opportunity in Dallas.

935
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 8: I feel like he maybe would have.

936
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 9: But hey, if it's a greener pastors for him, maybe,

937
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 9: and if it works out for him, great, But I'm

938
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 9: happy he got paid.

939
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 8: He's a good dude and he deserves it.

940
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, real quick, before we end the show, too many dooga,

941
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 4: he signs a two year deal with Jacksonville. What kind

942
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 4: of impact does that have on the Cowboys if any?

943
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: Well, he was like the life raft for the coach.

944
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 4: He certainly was.

945
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: No, No, he was alf he was. He was. I mean,

946
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 2: you know, the front office could not ask Mike McCarthy

947
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: and those guys to play Tyler Geydon. Those coaches were

948
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: trying to save their jobs and they saw that Tyler

949
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: Geydon wasn't ready. The learning curve was too strong, you know,

950
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: he wasn't ready to play. So they went with the

951
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: player that gave him the best chance to win, and

952
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: for the most part, it worked out for him that way.

953
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, this was he was. He I'll tell you this,

954
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: He played far better than I thought he could play.

955
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: You know, I need to change my opinion about him,

956
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: because I think there was more than just a serviceable guy,

957
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: a band aid guy. He gave them some good games,

958
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 2: some good reps throughout this thing. And he was he

959
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: was an absolute life raft for a situation with a

960
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: rookie that wasn't ready to play.

961
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, he played left tackle, he filled in a left guard,

962
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 8: right guard. It's a good thing. He has some versatility.

963
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 9: Let me tell you no, But I think I think

964
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 9: it's going to happen.

965
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: You know it's gonna happen. Awesome. Richards is going to

966
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: end up the same way. You're not going to figure

967
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: out a position for Austoin Richards, and then he'll go

968
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: off and start for somebody, and then we'll have this

969
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: discussion again.

970
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 9: Do you need to figure out a position for Austin Richards?

971
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 9: I if you feel comfortable about your front five.

972
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 2: You know what there's to me. I just play him,

973
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: Just find a spot to play him at, you know,

974
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: just figure it out. Is does he like playing guard?

975
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: Does he feel more comfortable to guard? Does he feel

976
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: more comfortable to tackle. They'll tell you, like, if you

977
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: talk to the player, which I'm sure you have a

978
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: million times, he'll tell you he wants to play guard,

979
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: you know. But but the fact that he has to

980
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: be ready for other positions. You do it out of necessity,

981
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: but to me, find a position for these guys, develop

982
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: that position, and then and then maybe maybe you want

983
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: to sign this guy earlier than you're waiting to the

984
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: last minute, like oh wow, we we really developed this

985
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 2: guy and now he's somebody else's property. I'm not interested

986
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 2: in doing that anymore.

987
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 9: The thing, the thing I think I'm trying to pick

988
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 9: your brain on here is like, Okay, let's say.

989
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: That we're playing go fish again.

990
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 8: We're playing go fish again.

991
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 9: Okay, Let's let's say, Okay, awesome Richards, we want you

992
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 9: to be a left tackle. Yeah, and we are going

993
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 9: to keep you a left tackle. Yeah, Tyler, guy never

994
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 9: gets hurt, he succeeds, and you never have to play

995
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 9: Awesome Richards. But you have all these problems in at

996
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 9: left guard and right guard. You need somebody to fill in.

997
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 9: I'm playing guards around the guards and guard. You look

998
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 9: him around the room and you're like, he's the best

999
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 9: guard on our roster.

1000
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 8: I'm not saying he is.

1001
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: Well, if he's the best guard on your roster, then

1002
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 2: playing at guard but.

1003
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 9: Not the best guard on your roster, the best guard

1004
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 9: that you have in the depth of your playing the guard.

1005
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 9: But okay, but you already had him at tackle because

1006
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 9: you think he could be a better tackle if the

1007
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 9: thing about it's saying it is like, I think the

1008
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 9: versatility really could work for guys.

1009
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, and versatility also will make you, like get signed

1010
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 2: by the Giants for six and a half million dollars.

1011
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 4: But I guess that's that's the question. Is he a

1012
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 4: starting caliber player? Because if he is, then I.

1013
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: Figure it out.

1014
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 4: No, but I'm saying I agree with you, Brian, But

1015
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 4: here's the problem. If he's not a starter caliber player,

1016
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 4: if he's always going to be a death guy. Yeah,

1017
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 4: if he's always going to be a deaf guy, that

1018
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 4: versatility matters. That's what's going to keep him in the end.

1019
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: You know he could play both. But but what you

1020
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: need to do is you need to make sure that

1021
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: he's playing the one position that he's absolutely that you

1022
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: feel like though that, Okay, I think this guy, let's

1023
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: develop the one position. If he has to play guard

1024
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: in the game, I'm fine. But if he but developing

1025
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: in the one position that he's the best at, continue

1026
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: to work on that part because that's the thing you're

1027
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: probably going to, and you're going to when something happens,

1028
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: you're going to need him to be ready to be

1029
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: that guy. I think playing guard is just a sometime

1030
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: thing planned left tackle, I think is more what his

1031
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: career path should be.

1032
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 7: I think we're all saying the same thing, just in

1033
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 7: different ways.

1034
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 2: Not me and Nick.

1035
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 7: No, No, it depends.

1036
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 4: On what I'm trying to figure out what y'all are

1037
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 4: talking about. Look, I kind of agree with him. I

1038
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 4: think it's very similar, look at it very different.

1039
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: You know, he wants position flexibility. I'm interested in, and

1040
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: I think I got this right, Nick, You're interested in

1041
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: like working guys, keep working guys at both spots. I'm

1042
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: more interested in developing the guy at the spot that

1043
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: they're their absolute best at. And if they have to

1044
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: play the other position, then so be it. But I'm

1045
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: not spending a lot of reps trying to develop them

1046
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: at both positions. I'm going to pick it.

1047
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 4: But I think that's what Nick saying, right. I don't

1048
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 4: think Nick saying you need to split their reps in practice.

1049
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: What I think he is is that what you say.

1050
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 9: I could see that more so early on. I'll make

1051
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 9: this quick, I promise, more so early on in a career,

1052
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,479
Speaker 9: like by the time you get to your second training camp, Yes,

1053
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 9: I'm with you, Brian. Yeah, once you get to like

1054
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 9: the back half of your second training camp, it's like,

1055
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 9: all right, man, we're gonna we're gonna keep you here,

1056
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 9: and if we need to fill you in in another spot,

1057
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 9: then we'll train you at that spot. But as of

1058
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 9: right now, you know we're gonna move forward. I'm saying

1059
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 9: from a scouting perspective, I would love to go get versatility.

1060
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 9: I would love to find versatility because this guy could

1061
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 9: have an impact in multiple spots.

1062
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

1063
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 9: But to credit to your philosophy, you look at a

1064
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 9: program like the Ravens. Yeah, specifically in their secondary they

1065
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 9: draft so many versatile dbs, but they bring them in,

1066
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 9: they figure out where they're at training camp.

1067
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 8: They're like, we're keeping you at corner work, keeping you

1068
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 8: in safety.

1069
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 9: So there is credit to your type of philosophy, but

1070
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 9: I think there's also credit to the versatility philosophy. It's

1071
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 9: just kind of two different ways of thinking about things.

1072
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 9: I've seen this Sor, and I understand where you're coming from.

1073
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: I appreciate that I've seen this organization waste guys are

1074
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: here I've seen them just because of position flex because

1075
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: there they haven't they haven't found the right position. And

1076
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: then these guys go.

1077
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 9: Wait, waited too long. And I'm with you there, I

1078
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 9: agree with you. I agree with you, understanding all right,

1079
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 9: appreciate the truth. Great to be far from a movie

1080
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 9: that you're on. The draft show more, we are more

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Speaker 9: of it.

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Speaker 4: We're back next week. We'll have more to talk about.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully the Cowboys will have some more signings we can

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Speaker 4: get into. We still have not gotten our scouting reports.

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Speaker 4: We'll do that a little little bit next week. Talk

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Speaker 4: about some of the guys they've signed and signed and

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Speaker 4: brought onto the team. Till then, for Nick Harris, Brian

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Speaker 4: brought us in Ambergarcia. I'm Derek Eagle. This has been

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Speaker 4: The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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