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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're running it back. I'm

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal here with my friend and defending champion of

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Speaker 1: all pickers, Cynthia Freelan. We're in the Chris Westling podcast

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Speaker 1: studio for the first time this season picking game, and

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Speaker 1: the first time I can officially congratulate you on not

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Speaker 1: just beating me in this picks competition that we're going

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Speaker 1: to do throughout the course of the season where we're

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Speaker 1: really teammates because we're going to help the house that's

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Speaker 1: our listeners. But the woman who picked the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: and the champion before last season started Eagles over Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what other show has someone that has done

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Speaker 1: that on it? The only the shows was Cynthia Freelan.

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Speaker 2: Hey, even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: You've got the you've got the computer model, You've got

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Speaker 1: it all.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty amazing. It's here.

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Speaker 2: I also made the dogs pick because I was curious.

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Speaker 2: I picked the top my top eight from my model,

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Speaker 2: and then I put a snack for each one and

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you who each dog picked too.

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Speaker 3: Okay, tell you right now as it is. That's good

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Speaker 3: to know.

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Speaker 1: And yes, you can check out like all of Cynthia's

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Speaker 1: picks on her show Numbers Game, which is on her

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. She has a new podcast too with Logan Ryan,

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Speaker 1: which is very cool, and you can watch us on

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Speaker 1: NFL Network Game Day View. You're every Friday. We got

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Speaker 1: like new multiple airings. There's like one in the morning

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Speaker 1: on Friday too.

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Speaker 3: I love it. So you can get all our picks there.

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Speaker 1: Here we pick our three favorite selections against the spread

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Speaker 1: of the week, and we will keep track of our

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Speaker 1: records and hopefully help you out. And I will give

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Speaker 1: you the first pick of the year.

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Speaker 2: Well, the first pick of the year will go to

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Speaker 2: the game that is played the last on the first

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Speaker 2: weekend of the year. Okay, okay, So it is played

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Speaker 2: at Soldier Field and Minnesota comes to town, and you

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Speaker 2: know Brian Flores, my friend from college. He's got this

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Speaker 2: really good defense. It's real sneaky. They do a lot

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Speaker 2: of weird stuff with like are you gonna blitz? Are

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Speaker 2: you gonna is it a simulator? Pressure are going to do?

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Speaker 2: But you know who's not going to be tricked?

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Speaker 3: Ben Johnson Williams.

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Speaker 2: That's right. I think we get an upset.

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Speaker 3: Wow, certain strong.

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Speaker 1: Here Vikings are favored by one and a half, and

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Speaker 1: I be winning on the road, and you have the

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Speaker 1: Bears not only covering, but winning.

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Speaker 2: Outright winners straight up.

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Speaker 1: Not going to be one of my three picks, but

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Speaker 1: longtime listeners of the show, and by that I mean

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Speaker 1: last season, which was the first. Well, remember I write

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Speaker 1: down a lot of picks. I have some scribbles at

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Speaker 1: the bottom of one that didn't quite make the cut.

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Speaker 2: I remember at the beginning of the season, the scribbles

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Speaker 1: Fire, and we're going to keep track of them this

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Speaker 1: year once again. So my Vikings pick was one that

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Speaker 1: you know, didn't make the cut because I personally like

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Speaker 1: the Vikings overall as a team. And this is one

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Speaker 1: thing I think players that people are picking games this

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Speaker 1: think the Vikings are a better team overall over the

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Speaker 1: course of the season than the Bears, don't necessarily that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they should weak Week one, and plus

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Speaker 1: I could be basing it on false assumptions. They might

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Speaker 1: the season. Actually, who who does your overall win totals

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Speaker 1: have been better?

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Speaker 2: Oh? It has the Vikings. Yeah, this is a one

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Speaker 2: time beginning of the season trick play situation, because in

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Speaker 2: division rivals. Here's here are my two problems with the

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Speaker 2: talking about how the Bears have remade their O line.

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Speaker 2: We're still questioning who the tackles, blah blah blah. But

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Speaker 2: We haven't seen it either, so I'm not sold on

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Speaker 3: For caleboy, you're making me worried.

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Speaker 1: You've got some numbers that are probably you know, put

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Speaker 1: into the big models that support that that Ben Johnson

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Speaker 3: Like, you can look at all the great stats.

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Speaker 1: Of the Vikings over the last few years, imagine how

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Speaker 1: great they'd be if you took out those Lions game,

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Speaker 2: Over the course of the season, I have the Vikings

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Speaker 2: finishing ahead of the Packers. Okay, I think this is

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Speaker 3: It's week one.

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Speaker 2: Let's have over reactions.

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Speaker 3: This is one, I think. Okay, I'm starting out spicy.

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Speaker 2: Oh I started spicy.

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Speaker 3: I'm going with set.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't spicy enough for you?

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Speaker 1: That was very spicy. Okay, I'm not saying I wasn't

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Speaker 1: making a judgment on your pick. I'm just saying, already, Greg,

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Speaker 1: I'm going Giants plus six against the Commanders on the

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Speaker 3: It just fit. Week one is a liar.

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Speaker 1: Very often, it's crazy and it just wouldn't shock me

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Speaker 1: getting six points, it just set off alarm bells. A

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Speaker 1: And then I looked at last year and those were

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Speaker 1: and ultimately I think the Giants improved more this offseason.

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Speaker 2: I think the Giants are going to be a team

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Speaker 2: this team is so much better than there because theirs

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about that since May when the schedule release,

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Speaker 2: and I agree with you that they've gotten considerably better.

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Speaker 2: My problem, my problem right now is I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: Dumb again. It starts what's going on with this O line.

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Speaker 2: that's what keeps you from I don't I actually I'm

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Speaker 2: I'd feel differently about it. But I feel like it

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Speaker 2: I've seen this this playbook before where the Giants have

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Speaker 2: Milik Neighbor's injury real? Like, is it going to actually ham?

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Speaker 3: I'm not finking out.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I just don't like when I see an

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Speaker 1: Is maybe the most important player on the entire team.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas, I totally agree with that, and he's coming

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Speaker 1: it was trending in the right direction. I'm not totally

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Speaker 3: After I mean, that's gonna be great the Commanders.

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Speaker 1: But they've they've added you know, Laramie Tuntel to the mix,

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Speaker 3: Let's go to your second pick.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think you and I are on the opposite

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's one of your three. How did you choose

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Speaker 1: which of these three to pick?

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Speaker 2: I asked someone with really good hair.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the guy with the good.

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Speaker 2: what I don't Week one, I don't have any you know.

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Speaker 2: What's weird is like I try to every year, got

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Speaker 2: to clean the slate. I don't have any preconceived notions

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Speaker 2: like what do the facts say? Who are they objective?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: Because obviously we all have things that we like and

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Speaker 3: Home underdog that the Bills are right now? Underdog?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's one and a half for the Ravens

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Speaker 1: right now. It started out as the Bills, is that's right?

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Speaker 3: Favorite?

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Speaker 2: And now why do I think? Why do I think

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Speaker 2: the Bills?

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Speaker 2: One, I really think that the ability to control the ball.

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Speaker 2: Usually we talk about Baltimore, we're talking about ball control offense. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm actually thinking the Bills might take that tact this time.

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Speaker 2: And Josh Allen himself seven rushing touchdowns in the past

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Speaker 2: two seasons. That's a lot. That's a lot of them.

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Speaker 2: And I'm looking I was watching the O line play.

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Speaker 3: Friders coming off an injuries. Sounds like he'll play.

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Speaker 2: But it sounds like you'll play, But are you?

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Speaker 3: Ian Coleman has had a good camp, but east wait.

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Speaker 2: And I saw him pop up on the injury report too,

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Speaker 1: All I'm saying, Cynthia, is you picked the freaking Super

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Speaker 1: you're giving our producer, you're mentioning Chris with the great

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Speaker 2: Chris has a girlfriend, but if you were going to

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Speaker 3: Okay, he's got the floppy I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: this point, you are Cynthia and you've got all your

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Speaker 3: And you hand it over to him and ask him

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Speaker 2: I gave him all the numbers. I gave him all

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Speaker 3: I love all of my Okay, in week one, I'll

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Speaker 2: We've been we've been thinking about this for so freaking long.

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Speaker 2: We've had these We've had this week once late and

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Speaker 3: Not, I hope so I did not pick God, I

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Speaker 1: Uh for the season an or four this week, Let's

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Speaker 3: When I saw that.

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Speaker 1: hey people, people saying we're not tough enough. You know

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Speaker 1: what's happened since then? They haven't won another game. You know,

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I just think the Lions are a better team and

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Speaker 2: I think recency bias sometimes afflicts people and because I do.

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Speaker 3: You Joe went to against the Lions, though, to be fair.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm just saying in general, Jeff Haffley, I

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Speaker 2: this year. Once Mike is back or his back, it's okay.

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Speaker 2: one named Aiden Hutchinson. Just a reminder, it's not like

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Speaker 1: The Packers got Parsons, but the Lions got Hutchison, and.

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Speaker 2: The Lions also got back people that know each other,

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Speaker 2: So it's just gonna like I think it takes a

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Speaker 2: can't say year over a year that just because they

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Speaker 2: they're going to get a lot of interceptions. That's not

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Speaker 2: how that works. So you know, I'm I'm just saying

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Speaker 2: to me, it's you have to remember, offense plays the defense.

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Speaker 2: Offense plays the defense. Like you know that you don't.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't work like when they say quarterbacks play.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, no, they don't, right well, But then

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Speaker 1: when when I'm playing that quarterback. I'm watching him and

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Speaker 1: I know I got to play better that day, like

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Speaker 1: Joe Burt Like, so they get it in their own

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Speaker 2: In their head, but they're not like facing that right.

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Speaker 1: I think the Lions defense is going to be significantly

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Speaker 1: better than a year ago. But I'm glad you brought

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Speaker 1: up like the cornerback position for the Packers. So Nate Hobbs,

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Speaker 1: free agent, is right right, He's I think going to

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Jeehawan Rixon, Like he's okay. I think the other starting

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Speaker 1: And that all gets me to the point that I

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Speaker 3: Is probably be my number one pick.

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Speaker 1: I just think that it's the right time, like they're

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Speaker 1: they all are coming back. I don't think Jayden Reid

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Speaker 1: any team and always comes out really strong early.

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Speaker 3: It's the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 1: Like I heard this story from Colton Pouncey, who covers

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Speaker 1: the athletic about like Tim Patrick, he was in this

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Speaker 1: they've like Brian branch Is coming out here like hitting like.

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Speaker 3: So that they did? They beat the Chiefs in Week

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Speaker 1: Whereas the Packers are not that team that that you

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Speaker 1: So I also think it's just a perfect time and

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Speaker 2: I think this game is a huge deal maker, like

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Speaker 2: one whole game to surpass the Lions. It's and on

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Speaker 2: one person being trained. I'm like, wait, wait, if they

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Speaker 2: play each other week one, that game matters a lot.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't, is it really? Anyways? Point being is I

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm you know, as a Lions fan. I

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Speaker 2: Lions win.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I love that too, so you agree with me?

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Speaker 1: All right, let's do one more pick? Yeah, ok your

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Speaker 2: Okay, where are you on Tampa Bay in Atlantic? Because

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Speaker 2: I have Tampa Bay winning this one?

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Speaker 1: That I mean, that is one of many where I

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Speaker 3: But I did take Tampa Bay I.

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Speaker 2: Butt by more than two. Yeah, one and a half.

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Speaker 3: I would have them covered. I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 1: That one just seems like such a crazy matchup that

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Speaker 1: I'd be afraid. But you're you're going with a lot

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Speaker 1: of the tough games.

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Speaker 2: Well, the reason one of the reasons that this game,

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Speaker 3: Best happen out source.

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Speaker 1: If this works, then we can think about the strategy

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Speaker 3: If it doesn't, he takes the blame. So it worked

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean, listen, we put out all our

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Speaker 2: in a week one, to me, it comes down to

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Speaker 2: who do I trust a quarterback more? And I trust

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Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield. Now I know Tristan Wurfs isn't there. I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I would prefer him to be there. But and usually

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Speaker 2: my model loves the strategy of like doubling down in

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Speaker 2: a position, and they kind of tripled down on pass

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Speaker 2: rush to draft Jalen They drafted it like fifteen twenty

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Speaker 3: Love James Pears. Also, they're not listed as starters right now.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Walker had a O camp weird, So I think

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Speaker 2: that's an advantage, especially when you consider on the other

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Speaker 2: side Caleb McGarry not being there. That's the problem. It's

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Speaker 2: Jon's going to have a nice game for your fantasy purposes,

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Speaker 2: do not worry. But I think that this one belongs

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Speaker 2: to the quarterback that has the track record and the

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Speaker 2: defensive mind, meaning the defensive coach meeting Todd Bowles, that

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Speaker 2: can stop the things they're trying to throw him.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think they're going to have a

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Speaker 1: defensive improvement this year. The Bucks did not have a

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Speaker 1: great season last year. I think the roster, I think

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Speaker 1: Todd Bowles it's all going to be better. You almost

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Speaker 1: want Kirk Cousins in this game. He was so good

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Speaker 1: again against the Buccaneers a year ago. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: had like five hundred something yard. So I'm with you

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Speaker 1: on that. But you're bold, you're taking some of the

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Speaker 1: ones i'd be most. Let's go my third pick.

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Speaker 2: Fortune favors the bold, Greg. I'm going Jaguars go bigger

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Speaker 2: than that. Who cares about the Jags over the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 1: Come on, dude, what does that even mean? They're a

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Speaker 1: bigger every pick, There is no bigger. I feel good

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Speaker 1: about it. Jaguars minus three and a half is my pick.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna bully me every The point is to

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Speaker 1: get them right. It's not to like pick like games

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Speaker 1: that the most people are gonna watch.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that bothers me here is this was

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Speaker 1: three all week, and when we sat down to do that,

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Speaker 1: I saw it went to three and a half. But

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I just think they're a way more

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Speaker 1: complete team. I think they have way more defensive line

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Speaker 1: talent and and I think they have ultimately sound way guys,

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Speaker 1: way more guys than the secondary. Why is that being

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Speaker 1: a bully. It's the Jacksonville Jaguars. They even won a

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Speaker 1: lot of games over the last couple of years. But

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Speaker 1: I do think they're gonna unveil Travis Hunter. And you

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Speaker 1: just look at the defensive talent overall for the Panthers

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Speaker 1: and I just don't think it stacks up. When I

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Speaker 1: looked at these two depth charts, I think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of mismatches. The Jaguars are a team I think

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Speaker 1: is going to be great this year in terms of

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Speaker 1: versus like their win total for instance, I really like

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Speaker 1: they're over seven and a half.

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna stay consistent. Go Jaguars. Okay, what does

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Speaker 3: that even mean?

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Speaker 2: Go bigger, like what ones like one where you're like

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Speaker 2: like it's a little more like like a juicier line.

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Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of close lines this week, so

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Speaker 2: like maybe you know, like what's one, what's one that's

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Speaker 2: in the Just give me one that's.

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Speaker 1: A little scribble. Okay, that's a bonus. Okay, we did

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Speaker 1: our three and three. You might keep track, but some

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Speaker 1: of the other ones that were interested. I just like

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Speaker 1: getting points in week one because I think it's so unpredictable.

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Speaker 2: Sure, but it's worth the same number of points if

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Speaker 2: it's game one or two seven.

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Speaker 1: I know, but I think in week one it's based

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Speaker 1: everything is based on faulty information, it is, which is

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Speaker 1: why I'll just take points right because like to me,

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Speaker 1: it's unpredictable, but I know what those points are worth.

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Speaker 1: For instance, the Saints are six and a half point

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Speaker 1: underdogs and the Browns are five and a half point underdogs,

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Speaker 1: two of the worst teams in the NFL. They're written

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Speaker 1: down as my extra picks. I would take them both

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Speaker 1: at home against teams with some weaknesses. The Browns are

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Speaker 1: playing the Bengals, yep, and.

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Speaker 2: So you think they're gonna win or less than Okay.

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Speaker 1: Five and a half for the Browns and then the Saints.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like that's that's a lot to give

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals. I feel a little less sure about that,

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Speaker 1: but I but I do. I'd rather just take it.

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Speaker 1: It's Week one, it's home. I like those two.

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Speaker 2: I'm the Saints. One is tricky. Is a sneaky good

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Speaker 2: one to me because I think everyone has slept on

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Speaker 2: Alvin Kamara a lot. This passed up, like when I

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Speaker 2: was doing some fantasy drafts, he was available to me

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Speaker 2: in a round that felt ridiculously lowly right or or five?

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Speaker 2: Why we all sleeping on him so much? Because I'm

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Speaker 2: just curious if he somehow was not the guy who

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Speaker 2: you know, was second to Jamiir Gibbs in terms of

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Speaker 2: number of rushing attempts and past last season. I did

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Speaker 2: somehow his coach, who pretty pretty sure Kellen knows how

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Speaker 2: to deal with great running back such you know, Saque

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Speaker 2: might have a little something to say about but point bing,

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Speaker 2: you know, like I just don't see where so I'm

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Speaker 2: with you. And plus I saw them firsthand against the Broncos.

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Speaker 2: Was there for preseason. Okay, it's preseason, we get it.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think they're as bad as it seems.

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Speaker 2: I understand when you don't have a quarterback and you

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Speaker 2: don't name your starting quarterback until a week before the game,

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Speaker 2: it seems a little dicey. But I I'm.

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Speaker 1: Alan's just a lot of points, a lot of uncertain

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Speaker 1: It's a I like those two. I like the Jets

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Speaker 1: giving up three points to the Steelers. I mentioned the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: I'm on the other side. The one that was the

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Speaker 1: closest to making my top three was the Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: Oh let's talk about this. Yeah, I just I don't

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Speaker 2: do mess, baby mess. Well, but they're both mess No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't do mass. Okay, right now, who's playing? Are

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Speaker 2: we sure?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Is Devon a chano? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Messy?

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Speaker 2: And remember love me some Mike mctannel. But when it

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Speaker 2: comes to lying Leer, who lies? He comes from the

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Speaker 2: tree of lying?

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Speaker 3: Who lies?

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Speaker 2: Kyle Shannon? So he's right now questionable? Tyreek Hill questionable?

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Speaker 2: Are they gonna play? Would you feel differently if you

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Speaker 2: if it was a half Devon a Chan half.

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Speaker 1: Daniels indicated he feels good about Tyreek. It sounds pretty

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Speaker 1: good on a Chan. I do love their pass. Rush

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Speaker 1: On a fast track against Daniel Jones, and I actually

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Speaker 1: trust their offensive line over the Colts, where there's some

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Speaker 1: new players, some uncertainty in general everyone. This is the

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Speaker 1: Bad Vibes Bowl we talked about on our preview show.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately I like the way that the Dolphins have

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Speaker 1: started the last few seasons, and I kind of just

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Speaker 1: liked them in this spot having a one week, one

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Speaker 1: week win. So that's it to review our main review

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Speaker 1: the ones that matter. I have the Giants plus six.

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Speaker 1: I have your Lions plus four staff, and I have

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars as a favorite over Carolina. And you went

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Speaker 1: with the Bills at Home as a home underdog, Bears

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Speaker 1: at Home as a slight home underdog, and the Bucks

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Speaker 1: and yeah my extra.

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Speaker 2: Pixel Bills, Bear, Bucks, Bills, Bear's Curious.

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Speaker 3: I like the Dolphins, Browns, Jets. I'm going colds face.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Colts fans, help me out here.

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Speaker 3: We are going to be doing this every week. We are.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait.

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