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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein the ACC Preview Part Duh, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: is it part one?

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Speaker 2: It's teams Part one, but it's part two of the collective,

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Speaker 2: possibly the most important three part series in the history

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that holds up. Yeah, welcome back one

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Speaker 1: in all my name is Taya, his name is Dan. This,

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Speaker 1: of course is the solid verbal. This is part two

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Speaker 1: of our ongoing ACC Preview series. Go back and listen

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Speaker 1: to the episode we dropped on Thursday if you want

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Speaker 1: to get Part one. That was more of a bigger

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Speaker 1: picture look what's going on in college football with respect

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Speaker 1: to the accuh, the storylines that are emerging in the conference.

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Speaker 1: We put together our All Costco Conference Tiers.

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Speaker 2: Map sponsor probably will never be.

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Speaker 1: Will never be, but we put the tiers together. We

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Speaker 1: talked through why we felt as such. Today we are

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Speaker 1: going to do part one of our team previews, so

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Speaker 1: much the same. We're going to look at individual teams

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Speaker 1: and what's new, what the storylines are within, why we like,

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Speaker 1: why we don't like a team, why they will, why

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Speaker 1: they won't be dangerous? Stan. That is sort of the

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Speaker 1: formula that we are sticking to here in previous season,

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Speaker 1: is it not? It is?

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Speaker 2: It's exactly right. If every time you start to say

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Speaker 2: something important, I'm going to jump in there with that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, shall we do it? I'm ready? Ty couldn't be

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Speaker 2: danger Zone the ACC.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, we've got Florida State, Clemson in Miami,

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Speaker 1: three of the teams that we identified in part one

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Speaker 1: but for much different reasons. Where would you like to start?

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Speaker 2: Florida State? Florida State should have been a playoff team

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Speaker 2: last year. You can nitpick whatever that process was or

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Speaker 1: Great season last year right, Yes, ended awkwardly because of circumstances,

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Speaker 1: but all told, thirteen and one had the Jordan Travis

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Speaker 1: Florida State's going to be dangerous because Mike Norvell is

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Speaker 1: I think he's really good at figuring things out, whether

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Speaker 1: He's just proven himself to be something of an offensive genius,

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Speaker 2: I think that's all right. I think Florida State's done

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Speaker 2: a really nice job of complementing good maybe not great

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Speaker 1: I think that's for a reason. I think that's justified.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be a terrifically large

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Speaker 2: on offense. The reason I don't think Florida State's particularly

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Speaker 2: So that's why I'm just not crazy confident in Florida

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Speaker 2: team that has sort of felt the winning that Florida

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Speaker 2: they were playoff caliber. I think there's a certain amount

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Speaker 2: they've been there before. They understand the rhythms of winning

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Speaker 2: football in a way that I don't think anybody else

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Speaker 2: You mentioned those running backs. I think Ryda Williams can

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Speaker 2: be very good, you know, the best of Malik Benson,

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Speaker 2: know we talk about the transfers, it's transfers from big

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Speaker 2: think that puts them ahead of everybody right now. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: I disagree with you a little bit on the defense, though,

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Speaker 1: the linebacking corps, sure and then the defense backfield, the

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Speaker 1: I think when you combine that with the schedule, there

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Speaker 1: the letdowns and the look ahead. Sure things that don't

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Speaker 1: really have much statistical backing. Georgia Tech in Dublin to

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Speaker 1: open the year favored by thirteen points.

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Speaker 2: Eat it, Bambino or Grana. Continue Georgia Tech and Dublin.

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Speaker 2: We know Tech can score. We know techn score, right,

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Speaker 2: we know Tech can score. What does that mean for

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Speaker 2: the linebacking corps? For the secondary with a mobile quarterback?

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Speaker 2: Go to late September road game at SMU, another team

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Speaker 2: that can score before the home game against Clemson. Possible

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Speaker 1: Mid October road game at Duke a week before a

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, this is Katie Herron from Mean Girls.

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Speaker 2: If the portal didn't exist, do you think the portal

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Speaker 1: It will problem, it would still be the same issues.

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Speaker 1: And I can explain why here the deeper we get

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Speaker 1: There may be deeper issues, And for sure, you go

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Speaker 1: neutral site game against Georgia in Atlanta Mercedes Benz Stadium.

435
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Speaker 1: App stayed at home, n C stayed at home, Stanford

436
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Speaker 1: at home, and Florida State on the road. That's the

437
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Speaker 1: meat of the schedule. So the good news is that

438
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Speaker 1: we're going to know exactly what Clemson is by like

439
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: October the sixth, that Sunday after.

440
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 2: You're so careful not to say December, and I appreciate that.

441
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 2: After life, I am working hard not to thank you.

442
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Speaker 2: But that's the meat of the schedule, you know, It's

443
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Speaker 2: it's very front loaded.

444
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Speaker 1: Later in the year, they're home against Louisville and then

445
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Speaker 1: they've got a Virginia Tech game. Both of those are

446
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: on back to back weeks. They close out the year

447
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: the rivalry against South Carolina. But you know, I think

448
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: we will know everything we need to know about Clemson

449
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: by like week six or seven, and furthermore, we could

450
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Speaker 1: put it in the volcano.

451
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Speaker 2: More ticks, why births.

452
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Speaker 1: I'm on Clemson over nine and a half. Okay, I

453
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: don't see where the third loss comes from.

454
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Speaker 2: So you have Georgia and Florida State as the two

455
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Speaker 2: most obvious.

456
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Speaker 1: I have Georgia for sure, and then somebody else.

457
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Speaker 2: I think NC State And well, so they lose to

458
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Speaker 2: NC State last season, that was a CW game. They're

459
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Speaker 2: in Lane Stadium and they weren't great. They lost those

460
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Speaker 2: two in a row on the road last year at

461
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Speaker 2: NC State. And what was the other one on the

462
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Speaker 2: road that they lost in a row and they see

463
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Speaker 2: at Miami. Yeah, I would say Lane Stadium. I don't

464
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Speaker 2: know what Virginia Tech has surrounding that game, but I

465
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Speaker 2: don't know that feels about right. They're at Syracuse the

466
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Speaker 2: week before Virginia Tech, which was very tricky.

467
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Speaker 1: One of the other games they're going to lose to Georgia.

468
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Speaker 1: Everybody might lose to Georgia this year.

469
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Speaker 2: But where is that game that came in Atlanta.

470
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Speaker 1: Orcedes Benz Stadium? Yeah, got it, say he's been stadium

471
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Speaker 1: one of the other games along the way. I think

472
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Speaker 1: they finished ten and two, maybe with one conference loss,

473
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Speaker 1: and that gets him into the ACC title game against Miami.

474
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Speaker 1: That's where I'm at with Clemson. But give me, give

475
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Speaker 1: me the over. I'm gon jot this down.

476
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Speaker 2: So I don't you're jotting down the over with Clemson

477
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Speaker 2: you're in.

478
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Speaker 1: Can I ask the question track? Yeah? Please?

479
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Speaker 2: When you think about kid club Nick, are you I

480
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: think it's responsible to erase whatever his recruiting rating was,

481
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: right that like he came in as like super talented,

482
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Speaker 2: five star blah blah blah. But like this far into

483
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Speaker 2: his career, I think it's fair to expect improvement based

484
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Speaker 2: on potential he's flashed in a Clemson uniform. But is

485
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Speaker 2: it okay to evaluate him for what he actually has

486
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: shown himself to be as a Clemson quarterback? Or do

487
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Speaker 2: you let that cloud your evaluation?

488
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Speaker 1: Oh? I think you have to consider it.

489
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Speaker 2: Oh, I see, I think after a year I'm done.

490
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Speaker 1: No, no, No, What I'm saying is I think you

491
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Speaker 1: have to consider where he's at currently versus what the

492
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Speaker 1: recruiting r is. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, No. I think

493
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Speaker 1: we agree on that front. And I would add more

494
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Speaker 1: to the point of will the real Kate Klubnick please

495
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: stand up? Even if there is improvement, he was really

496
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Speaker 1: inconsistent last year, and typically it happens all the time

497
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Speaker 1: where guys improve on their consistency in an offseason another

498
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: year in an offense they take a jump forward. So

499
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Speaker 1: I think he can be will be better, But I

500
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Speaker 1: still don't think all the inconsistency is just going to vanish.

501
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: That generally does not happen, right, So some elements of

502
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Speaker 1: that are gonna be here. Whether he improves or not,

503
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Speaker 1: it's just a matter of how much he can get

504
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Speaker 1: rid of that inconsistency. Given the fact that they were

505
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: in so many close games last year, red zone offense

506
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: was a problem. Like can he improve his consistency in

507
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Speaker 1: the ways that truly matter and can help get this

508
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Speaker 1: team to the next level. That's the open question here.

509
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Speaker 2: See, the thing with me with Clemson is based on

510
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 2: what this defense returns on all three levels. Based on

511
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 2: where they were last year. They don't need much on

512
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Speaker 2: offense to go to win ten games, like the actual

513
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 2: like support that this defense needs, like they should if

514
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Speaker 2: they're scoring twenty four points a game, like in a

515
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: reverse Brian Farren situation, right, yeah, yeah yeah, or exact

516
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Speaker 2: Brian Farren situation. In some ways, they're like that should

517
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Speaker 2: be plenty. That should be plenty against basically all of

518
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Speaker 2: the non Florida state Georgia and even still we don't

519
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: know what to expect out of this Florida State team.

520
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: That should be plenty, but that's where we get into

521
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Speaker 2: the weird situations with coaching and and weird offensive decisions

522
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: and what you mentioned, missed open throws. That's the issue.

523
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Speaker 2: Like Kate Klebnick stripsack completely and you know, scoop and

524
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: score completely changes that Florida State game, yep, goes from

525
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: being you know, a basically a fourteen point swing. So

526
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Speaker 2: that to me is the like, is Clemson a mature

527
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: enough team to win everything winnable? And I don't see

528
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Speaker 2: evidence that they are just so buttoned up now and

529
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Speaker 2: that the freshman receivers will be the difference because I mean,

530
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Speaker 2: you look at the list of the receivers they could

531
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Speaker 2: have brought in to solve this specific issue. Adie Mitchell

532
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Speaker 2: and Keon Coleman or Ted Johnson, any of these guys

533
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Speaker 2: that were huge difference makers for a number of good

534
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: offenses last year. I just you can't fully sell me

535
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 2: on Clemson has left all of that in the past.

536
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Speaker 1: Just because and I reiterate, just because there are levers

537
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Speaker 1: out there that can make them better quicker. Yeah, that

538
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: they're not using does not mean that they can't be

539
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: better at all. I agree, okay, and that that is

540
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Speaker 1: the thought that I have seen echoed throughout college football

541
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Speaker 1: preview media, and I agree they should be using the portal.

542
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: Clemson's a big program, it's a successful program. They put

543
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: guys in the league. There is a lot to like

544
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: about to state, this is the sport and if they

545
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 1: continue down this path and they don't use the portal,

546
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: we will eventually see little chips falling off of that dynasty.

547
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Speaker 2: I agree, and look to your point, sort of, you

548
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: bring in ad Mitchell, right, you bring in tes Walker,

549
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: goes North Carolina has the weird NCAA stuff. You still

550
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: need to get them the ball. You still get a

551
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: quarterback to get them the ball the ball. And I

552
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Speaker 2: think the doubter, the Clemson doubter, of which I am

553
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: not a doubter, I'm a doubter that they can win

554
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: eleven games. But what I doubt is, or not what

555
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: I doubt, But what I look at with Clemson is

556
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 2: like they have exclusively succeeded with two of the best

557
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: modern quarterbacks the sport has seen. So with anything less,

558
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: are they just merely good?

559
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: Right?

560
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: That's the question. Like, can they only win with exclusive

561
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: first round excellence? And I think that's a fair question.

562
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Speaker 1: Right now. I've got Clemson in the ACC title game

563
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: against Miami. I said that last episode. I am aggressively

564
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: pro Miami this year for a whole host of reasons,

565
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: but mostly because of how Mario crystal Ball's built the roster.

566
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: And you said it when he came over from Oregon.

567
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: We've known it all along about this guy. He's a

568
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: hell of a recruiter and that has again been the

569
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Speaker 1: case at Miami. We're starting to see the benefits of that.

570
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Speaker 1: He's done a really good job, like along the lines

571
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: of the Mike Norvel template that we discussed last episode.

572
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Speaker 1: He's done a really good job of balancing the high

573
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Speaker 1: school recruiting with the impact players that he can get

574
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Speaker 1: via the portal. And this year might be the best

575
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Speaker 1: example of that because he brings over cam Ward the

576
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Speaker 1: quarterback from Wazoo, brings over Damian Martinez, the running back

577
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: from Oregon State. We can talk more about both those guys,

578
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Speaker 1: but it needs to be mentioned that this Crystaball project,

579
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Speaker 1: like all of his other projects, is built very much

580
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Speaker 1: from the inside out, and I think that might be

581
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Speaker 1: the reason why Miami will be dangerous above all else

582
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Speaker 1: this season because they're going to have one of the

583
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Speaker 1: ACC's best offensive lines. But then you combine it with

584
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Speaker 1: the skill talent out wide, much of which is returning

585
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Speaker 1: Xavier Ristrepo Jacolby, George Sam Brown came over from Houston.

586
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Speaker 1: I'm excited to see him.

587
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Speaker 2: Yep.

588
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Speaker 1: There really are no excuses for this offense at this point.

589
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Speaker 1: And like I get that this was a seven and

590
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: sixteen last year. We could probably spend a full hour

591
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: talking about how that happened to make the Rutgers jokes.

592
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: If you want about the pinch Stripe Bowl, we can

593
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: talk about how TVD came off the tracks and through.

594
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Speaker 1: I think it was ten picks in four games. Some

595
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: ridiculous thing the NC State game was that three picks,

596
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: four turnovers total.

597
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Speaker 2: I was a broal ugly one.

598
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it just really came off the swivel.

599
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Speaker 1: I think the overarching theme though, is that even despite

600
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Speaker 1: the fact that that offense last year had its warts,

601
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: it still did improve dramatically from Crystal Ball's first season. Like,

602
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 1: despite all the jokes, there really was real progress that

603
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: we can part to last year and now they're plugging

604
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: in cam Ward into the Shannon Dawson offense, which I

605
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: think is a good fit and a gigantic upgrade over

606
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Speaker 1: where they were a year ago. You know where I

607
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: stand on cam Ward. I watched every play of his

608
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: after he transferred out of Incarnate Ward. I've been waiting

609
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: for this moment when he can step into a big

610
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: time offense to see what he can do. The best move, though,

611
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: might be the Damian Martinez one. He's the exact type

612
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: of runner that christ of Ball wants. He's physical. I

613
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: think he's gonna eat well on this offense. This is

614
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: this is Maria's best offense it's been in Miami. And

615
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: it comes down to the question I posed in the

616
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Speaker 1: last episode. It's can he win in spite of himself?

617
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Speaker 1: Can he win with all of these players? Will he

618
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: know what to do with these guys having them all

619
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Speaker 1: together on the same offense, because this is a loaded

620
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Speaker 1: offense that should be a force no matter who they're

621
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Speaker 1: playing this year.

622
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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, I'm not a huge cam Ward guy. I

623
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Speaker 2: think at his best now, he showed it against some

624
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Speaker 2: good teams last year, last couple of years. A lot

625
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: of short stuff, a lot of erratic throws a lot

626
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: of like not throwing within the rhythm of offenses. I

627
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: love Francis Maliga. I like this offensive line a lot.

628
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: Right tackle might be in all my American love. Damian

629
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: Martinez runs hard. I think the receivers are fine. I

630
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: like Restrepo a lot, and I think they've recruited there

631
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: that somebody else is going to emerge. I think they're

632
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: going to be led by their defense, but we saw

633
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: those lapses last year where guys just running open or

634
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: the horrific tackling, and that's what either loses you dumb

635
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: games or you have to overcome to barely by a

636
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: gust of win beat Virginia, all due respect to the Who's.

637
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Speaker 1: My point of contention with that, though, is that I

638
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: would not say they're led by defense. I think they're

639
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: led by their lines first and foremost, their star power

640
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: on both lines and both sides. Because there's a big

641
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: time danger zone if you want to hit the hit

642
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: the button thanking, big time danger zone in the Miami

643
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: secondary because they're fully rebooting. That defensive backfield.

644
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: Had some walk in the portal.

645
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Speaker 1: I think the floor is still pretty high for that unit.

646
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Speaker 1: But I'm looking at some of these games against quarterbacks

647
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: that can move, especially us SEF can move, Virginia Tech

648
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: Kyaran Jrones can move maybe to a healthy Tyler Shuck

649
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: can move Malik Murphy, Haines King. One of those games

650
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: is gonna end up as an upset or a close

651
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: win when you didn't expect it.

652
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: So your ACC champion has a shaky secondary in it

653
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 2: does July.

654
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. It does. The front sevens loaded though

655
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: the defensive The defensive line lost some guys in the NFL,

656
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: but the high school and portal recruiting were just again

657
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: outstanding and they're gonna end up as one of the

658
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: best ten or so defensive lines in the country. They're

659
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: really good upfront again, leading from the lines on out.

660
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: That also, the schedule, Like I can't talk more about

661
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: Miami without talking about the schedule because it reminds me

662
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: a lot of Notre Dames in that there are a

663
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: handful of name brand teams that are gonna get people talking,

664
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: that will give it credibility. But it's spaced out really

665
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: well and there aren'ty crazy runs here. You know. They

666
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: open the year in the Swamp against Florida, which is

667
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: an enormous game for both teams. Miami's favored by about

668
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 1: a field goal right now. We spent all off season

669
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: talking about Florida and how they're going to be down bad,

670
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: but I'd be afraid of that game before a Miami fan.

671
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: It's still an in state rivalry. They've got a road

672
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: game against USF, then a home game against Virginia Tech.

673
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: Back round gets the sound, they go to Louisville.

674
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: They come home to play Florida State back to back weeks,

675
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: but like not any crazy runs. So I'm really in

676
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: on Miami. I've got Miami winning the conference over Clemson.

677
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: If we want to throw one more in the volcano,

678
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: let's go Miami over nine more tacks.

679
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: Why births.

680
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: I think that's all I have to say about the KNES.

681
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: I love this alignment with you and what you call him,

682
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: Mario Chrystoball. I love that you are attaching yourself at

683
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: the hip. Yeah, Miami not losing dumb games. I'm still

684
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: fearful of it, and I think there will be dumb games.

685
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if it means they lose those games.

686
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: I think they'll be high powered enough on offense and

687
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 2: good enough on the lines to minimize downside and at

688
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: least establish a pretty high floor. Okay, So I'm in

689
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: in for a dime, in for a dollar or whatever

690
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: it is, whatever that's saying is, I'm in on with

691
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: all of that.

692
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm in on Miami and Clemson for that matter.

693
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: Okay, why don't why don't we shift.

694
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 1: Our focus here for a little bit. We talked about

695
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: the three biggies in the conference. Why don't we talk

696
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: about the three nubes. Let's talk about SMU. Let's talk

697
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: about Stanford, let's talk about cal.

698
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: Where do you want to start. Who interests you the most?

699
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: Probably SMU? Right, you're pretty high on on Smooth, on

700
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: the Mustangs.

701
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm big on Smooth. Yeah.

702
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's what's going on with SMU. They won

703
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: a bunch of games last year. They're not getting paid

704
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: the ACC at all. They're paying their own way. They

705
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: raised a bunch of money, and everybody's pretty thrilled to

706
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: have done so. So that's great. SMU's schedule is I think,

707
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 2: trickier than you think it is.

708
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: I think, but beautiful. This is a work of art.

709
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: If you're an SMU fan, I love it. I love this.

710
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: As I pointed out on our part, one, zero to

711
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: three against Power five teams last year, Oklahoma, TCU and

712
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: Boston College of this conference. They are of the ACC.

713
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: Boston College maybe that was Jeff Hafley BC. This is

714
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: now Bill O'Brien BC. SMU won a bunch of games

715
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: against pretty subpar defenses last year. I think their offense

716
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 2: is built to score points and move the ball against

717
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: a lot of these ACC defenses. But I want to

718
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: pump the brakes a little bit on Maybe it's just

719
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: your but a certain amount of perception that they're ready

720
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: to compete in this conference. I think there'll be fun games.

721
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 2: I think there will be forty one thirty eight games.

722
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if they're going to be the forty

723
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: one of the thirty eight. I like the improvement that

724
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: this defense has shown. It's certainly moving in the right direction.

725
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: They recruited the portal really well. I like Preston Stone

726
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 2: like I think it was Jennings, the backup quarterback who

727
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: came in in relief and won a couple games last year.

728
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: That was super impressive. I like Rhett Lashly as a

729
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: head coach. I like what he's done in I guess

730
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: it's technically Highland Park in Dallas. I like all of this.

731
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 2: I just think that we're searching for something unique, and

732
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 2: the reason why I don't think it'll be unique. Their

733
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: success in the ACC immediately is because it's very difficult

734
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: to make that move seamlessly to a power conference, in

735
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: this case from the American where I just think they're

736
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: going to take some unexpected lumps, and I think it'll

737
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: largely come from week in and week out playing in

738
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: trenches against some of these teams and get pushed around

739
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: a little bit more than they were used to in

740
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: the American. But I think long term, especially given their location,

741
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: I think they're going to continue to succeed in the

742
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: portal and build out depth and quality on this too deep,

743
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: but they feel more like an eight and four team

744
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: than a ten and two team or a seven and

745
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: seven and five to eight and four type team.

746
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: To me interesting, I do think we disagree. I mean,

747
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: I looked at Bill Connolly's projections. He's got them average

748
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: on average, winning nine games this season, eleventh in returning production.

749
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: That's fine, it's a week schedule. By comparison to some

750
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: of their peers in the ACC. I believe there's only one.

751
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: Team, No Clemson or Miami.

752
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: Only one team with a weaker schedule, and that would

753
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: be Syracuse, another team that we like. So I think

754
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: a lot is working in their direction. I really like

755
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: Preston Stone. I think offensively, we tend to focus on

756
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: the firepower and conveniently, at least in my case, forget

757
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: about defense.

758
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: Had a good defense last year.

759
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, had had a good defense last year, But I

760
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: think it's different when you're playing against better offenses. And

761
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: we'll see what that looks like this year. So I'm

762
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm very in on SMU. I did jot down. I

763
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: will just mention this to you because we're all friends

764
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: here and you'll probably judge me for it, but I

765
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: just I gotta be honest, Okay, I have verbatim. I

766
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: don't think we can rule out SMU going twelve and zero.

767
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: You don't think you should rule out SMU going twelve

768
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: and l their first year in the ACC. I think

769
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 2: they could lose to BYU week three before they even

770
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: play an ACC game.

771
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: They got a ton back, a good schedule, they got

772
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: enough talent on hand to make a jump without too

773
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: many hiccups, and they've.

774
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 2: Got to buy before that. They've got to buy before skillet,

775
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: which I like the TCU game, but their run of

776
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: like TCU Florida State at Louisville at Stanford, not a

777
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: super scary Stanford team, but in just in terms of

778
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 2: the travel and the run of TCU Florida State flying

779
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: to Kentucky, flying home, taking a bye week, flying back

780
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: to the West Coast, flying back to Duke in North Carolina,

781
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: pitt BC at Virginia Cal. I think they're gonna have

782
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: a nice year. I think they're gonna have ups for sure,

783
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I mean, they brought in a

784
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: ton of transfers on defense Power five places. I get

785
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: all of this. I think they're gonna they're gonna take

786
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: some lumps. It's gonna be ups and lumps for me

787
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 2: for SMU.

788
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: The joke that I wanted to make and then I

789
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: will make now actually is that in not taking any

790
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: conference payouts, they in turn got a better schedule. Ain't

791
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: The schedule is great.

792
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: It's a good schedule. We don't love just the road

793
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 2: travel type type stuff. And I think BYU will be improved.

794
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 2: We'll get there on the Big twelve preview, and I

795
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: don't know. I just think they could be one of

796
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 2: those teams that starts off into kind of a shaky

797
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: way and finish the season winning six of seven kind

798
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: of thing, or five of seven something like that. I

799
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 2: have them making a Bowl for sure.

800
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: Okay, talk to me about Stanford. Where are we at

801
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: with with Stanford? You know, I just did the kind

802
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: of a cursory glance, the thing that jumps out to me.

803
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: There three to nine last year, But they had the

804
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: fifth most snaps in FBS among freshmen last season. This

805
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: year's second nationally returning production. So I guess we can

806
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: assume that makes them better. Maybe won't make them good,

807
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: but it should make them better. This is just a

808
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: prolonged rebuild as best I can tell, Like they're still

809
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: lacking along the lines. They couldn't run the ball last year. Defensively,

810
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: they're hav a great was a train wreck. They just

811
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: weren't generating tackles for loss or any of those game

812
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: changing style plays. It feels to me like this is

813
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: going to take at least another year before there's some

814
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel. For Troy Taylor

815
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: curious to what it looks like this year, and in

816
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: his time at sax State ran a really diverse offense

817
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: before coming to Stanford. Like, yeah, I think there are

818
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: reasons to still like him. But if Lisa Weigans start

819
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: this year by adding in a running game, that's probably

820
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: the next logical step per what I saw in my

821
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: cursory glance.

822
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could squint last year and see what they

823
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: were going for. Like they started out the Oregon game

824
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: in a very positive way and then got run over.

825
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: There were elements of this. They lose close early on

826
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: two sacks State, mind you, but they lose to sex.

827
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: I think the Arizona game was also super close, and

828
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: that finished the season as a top fifteen Arizona team

829
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: and the defense was a mess. But they would have

830
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 2: random weeks last I think it was Wazoo. They won

831
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: a low scoring game. They had weeks where you were like,

832
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: I see them coming together a little bit. I think

833
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: it's a roster and talent thing as much as anything.

834
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: I don't hate Ashton Daniels. I certainly like LK a

835
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: omanor if you remember, he was the one that went

836
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: off and torched Colorado in that huge comeback game. So

837
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: even the games they won, they weren't winning emphatically or

838
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: anything like that. So they have a ways to go,

839
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: but I don't know. Trey Taylor's recruited pretty well all

840
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: things considered. You know, it's a tough time to recruit

841
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: to Stanford portal wise, but from the high school ranks,

842
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: they have a quarterback of the future. Their line recruiting

843
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: has been good once again, so I think there are

844
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: foundational pieces there. I think they're probably at least a

845
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: year away, if not two, from really you know, threatening

846
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 2: eight or nine wins. But what you have to do

847
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: as well with this Stanford team is you have to

848
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 2: separate what they have from the road they're going on,

849
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 2: which is awful. It is truly so bad. I think

850
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 2: it might be the worst ACC schedule. Maybe you disagree.

851
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: They're another team that has TCU. They're at Syracuse at Clemson,

852
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech, comes to Palo Alto at Notre Dame, and

853
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: have SMU in the first seven weeks of the season,

854
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: man at NC State and Louisville back to back, and

855
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: it's at Syracuse at Clemson. Late. They have to travel

856
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: to the East Coast for NC State as well, so

857
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: there's a lot of East Coast travel there. They're a

858
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: sandwich game for Clemson if you like looking at that

859
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: kind of thing if you're get into like a tasty

860
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: early line their sandwich game for Clemson between NC State

861
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: and Clemson at Florida State. But listen to this. They

862
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: get Notre Dame, Louisville, SMU, NC State, and Syracuse a

863
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: week after those teams have buys, really all of them,

864
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: all five of those teams. Remember Brian Kelly complained that

865
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: like ten of twelve Notre Dame teams had Notre Dame

866
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: after weeks. That's what's Stanford, who is in a much

867
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: worse place than that Notre Dame team was has this season.

868
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, Louisville, sm U, NC State, and Syracuse each

869
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: have a bye before they play Stanford, which is just

870
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 2: a tough place to be if you're the cardinal. So

871
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: I suspect I suspect they'll win two games that they'll

872
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: either be extreme dogs or notable dogs in I think

873
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: they'll win a couple like that, maybe because of weird

874
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: travel stuff flying to the West coast and a team

875
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: is run down. It's a body clock situation. What did

876
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: Meltucker call it? Sleep bank? Sleep bank for Michigan State

877
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: traveling to Washington, which I think is a real thing,

878
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: but just circumstance says that Stanford is gonna have a

879
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: tough time getting to four wins this year, and if

880
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 2: they do get to four even five wins, I think

881
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: that is a legit building block for this program.

882
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, fair enough, let me round out the newbies.

883
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: I'll talk Cal very quickly. I've already said a lot

884
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: of what I'm gonna say again now about Cal six

885
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: and seven. Last year they lost the text Tech in

886
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: the Independence Bowl. I think they're dangerous because, first and foremost,

887
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: on the topic of scheduling, they're a cross country flight

888
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: this year for Miami, n C State and Syracuse cross

889
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: country flight. Yep, body clock, sleep bank whatever. Yeah, see

890
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: if that plays a factor, for sure. I think they're

891
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: also dangerous because the line looks pretty solid and because

892
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: Jay Not decided to stick it out.

893
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

894
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 1: They're also dangerous because their quarterback room is deeper Chandler

895
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: Rogers from North Texas. Fernando Mendoza played I think pretty

896
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: well last season off nearly USC and that shootout. Yeah yeah,

897
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: I think they're also better off now that Jake's Babbittall left.

898
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: He took the job at Baylor.

899
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 2: I think they're better off.

900
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: I do.

901
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: I do. Here's why I don't. Here's why I feel

902
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 2: a good off and forever.

903
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: Here's why. Spavoto offense put so much pressure on the

904
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: defense because it was up tempo, and I don't think

905
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 1: they were equipped for the knock on effects of running

906
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: that offense. So I think this year you turned things

907
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: over to the line coach. I think it's going to

908
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: be a little bit more focused on Ja not rushed

909
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: for thirteen hundred yards last year. Was it not focused

910
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: on him a year ago? But I think it will

911
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: be a different tempo that they play with, and I

912
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 1: think that will make the defense better. I do. It's

913
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: just been uncharacteristically bad the last two years. It's completely

914
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: counter to Justin Willcox's entire ethos that the defense would

915
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: be this lousy. I'd be surprised if we had another

916
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: year of giving up thirty three points a game. I

917
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: think they're set for improvement, really on both sides of

918
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: the ball. So I'm probably higher on them again than

919
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: you are. I think the first two months of the

920
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: season is like a tough game every other week. They're

921
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 1: at Auburn Week two, Florida State at Florida State week four,

922
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: home against Miami week six, home against NC State week eight,

923
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 1: and then they're on the road at SMU to close

924
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: things out. So it's not like a super easy schedule.

925
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: It's spaced out decently. Well. I think Cal's place in

926
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: this SE or sec ACC conversation excuse me, yeah, is

927
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: they will play spoiler for somebody. They will catch somebody,

928
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: maybe one of those three teams that has to travel

929
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: out west to play him. I do believe that Cal

930
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: is that ethis in the ACC.

931
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: Well, here's the good news about the Cal defense. I

932
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: don't think the offenses and quarterbacks, while good that are

933
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: on their schedule last year, if we're talking about those results,

934
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 2: it was Michael Pennix, it was dju and Jonathan Smith.

935
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: It was Caleb Williams and Lincoln Riley. It was Bo

936
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: Nicks and Dan Lanning. It was what Ben Arbuckle and

937
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: cam Ward and Washington State. It was Chip Kelly, which,

938
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 2: by the way, the defense did really well against Jim Kelly. Yes,

939
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 2: as UCLA was collapsing. I think that was after UCLA

940
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: beat USC That was sort of a letdown game. But

941
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: the best of what Cal faced on offense, I think

942
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: is largely going to be way better than what the

943
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: ACC will largely be this year, just because of the

944
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 2: age and experience of you know, Pennix and Washington, Bonnix,

945
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. Like that is just I mean, those are

946
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 2: the first Those are three top twelve first round quarterbacks

947
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: that the cal defense had to face. So maybe some

948
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: of those numbers and some of those results are skewed

949
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: a little bit by that run. I think the offense

950
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 2: they face will be good, but I don't think it's

951
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: going to be as title wavy.

952
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: Close things out, Let's talk about Pitt and Syracuse. Okay,

953
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: we're very high on Syracuse. There's a lot of steam

954
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: on that program. I think we like Nard Dog and

955
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: Pitt a lot. We generally like to give him pretty clear.

956
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: We like the idea of them, and we have enjoyed

957
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: the experience of those teams. We have been entertained by

958
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: Pat Ardoozi. Okay, all right, I'm not sure we like them.

959
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 2: Important qualifiers.

960
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do not want to put words into your

961
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: mouth which start with one of these teams. Go ahead,

962
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: take it.

963
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: Okay. So Pitt is interesting, I think in terms of

964
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: the teams that are interesting in this conference because we

965
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 2: know Pitt and Pat Nardozi have one have fielded good offenses,

966
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: have developed good players on offense, and obviously have fielded

967
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 2: good defenses. Last year they fell off a cliff. Everything

968
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: went wrong. The pairing of Philedgerkovic and Christian value is

969
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: that how do you pronounce it?

970
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: Value?

971
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: And was it Frank Signetti who came back for another

972
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 2: run as offensive coordinator for Pitt. It just collapsed, It

973
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: fully imploded, and it did so pretty quickly if you

974
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: watch the backyard brawl. So I'm willing to give Pat

975
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: Nardozi a mulligan because he has found good players, They've

976
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: developed good players, they have developed good lines, specifically upfront

977
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: on offense. But he felt he needed to make a

978
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: dramatic change. They bring in. I think it's Cad Bell

979
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: from Western Carolina scored about forty points for Western Carolina

980
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 2: and Nate Yarnell I think showed definite promise at quarterback

981
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: when they went to him late in the year. Third

982
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 2: quarterback they went to, and so he looks like he's

983
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 2: the guy. They've just made mistakes with offensive vision over

984
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: the years. For every Kenny Pickett, you're getting Max Brown,

985
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: You're getting oh god, the other USC quarterback who I'm

986
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: sure Pitt fans want to forget, Keiden Slovis there you go.

987
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: He's been enough places that you have to question, like

988
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: what is the vision here? What is the actual vision

989
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 2: for this offense? And is Paton Ardoozy confident enough in

990
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: his defense to allow them? And this is like your

991
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: bugaboo this year to play quickly like Kate Bell most

992
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: certainly wants to do with Nate Yarnell and a bunch

993
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: of like really interesting returning talent on offense, Like I

994
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: like how this offense is built. I don't know about

995
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 2: the line, but in terms of skill, guys, there's there's

996
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: enough to like there. But it's a weird year that,

997
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: like you can't just automatically say, well, we're going to

998
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: get a good defense from Pitt because Ukfen's also fell

999
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: off last year.

1000
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: Well, and you bring that up. I also want to

1001
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: thank for baller Adam, who sent us a long email

1002
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: on his thoughts on Pitt, and I was I shouldn't

1003
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: say delighted. I was reassured to see that his questions

1004
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: were in effect the same as mine and the same

1005
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: as ours. He also brought up the defense I remember

1006
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: my Pitt preview last year. I went and I went

1007
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: back after the fact to see what I wrote. Then

1008
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: I remember on the preview that we did. I read

1009
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: it nearly verbatim, and it was something to the effect of, yeah,

1010
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: we don't know who the stars are going to be

1011
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: on the defensive line, but this is paton Ardoozy's thing.

1012
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: He just grows these guys on trees and we'll get

1013
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: back to you in December, not in the portal era.

1014
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: Still waiting on that one, aren't we now? Didn't really happen.

1015
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 1: Now there's seventy ninth in returning production on defense. He's

1016
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: gonna need to earnest stripes this year as that defensive

1017
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: mastermind that we know and hope him to be. Last

1018
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: year was his worst defense since twenty eighteen. We cannot

1019
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: assume at this point that just because it's Patent or Dusy,

1020
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: the defense will be there. It wasn't last year. It

1021
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: wasn't as much the year before.

1022
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: Secondary got torched a bunch.

1023
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So there are a lot of open questions.

1024
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: I like the idea of doing something drastic to try

1025
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: and change the offense because it's been bad. It does

1026
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: worry me a little bit that it's like buying a

1027
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: corvette for your fiftieth birthday. It's like, we're just going

1028
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: to do something drastic to make us feel.

1029
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: Good, almost like a last ditch, right, you got to

1030
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: make a change or we're making a change.

1031
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, And I think it comes down to that.

1032
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: I think if in this era we can't see some

1033
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: positive momentum with what our as he does in twenty

1034
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: twenty four, much to the point that Adam sent in

1035
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: he could be coaching for his job in twenty twenty five.

1036
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: Oh, I think he might be this year. I think

1037
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 2: he might be this year because it's been long enough

1038
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 2: and he's had success, but he's also had like some

1039
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: some downsides of the ball that have been almost inexcusable.

1040
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: So this year they're at Cincinnati and have backyard brawl

1041
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh back to back. I assume I haven't done

1042
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: a deep look at Cincinnati. I assume they're improved from

1043
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 2: the depths that Cincinnati felt to last year.

1044
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm still not a since He believer, but

1045
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: I think I'm not either.

1046
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: I think they're in Chapel Hill in the first five games,

1047
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 2: which has always been a weird matchup. They're big travel trip,

1048
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: they're traveling to SMU. They have Clemson and on the

1049
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: road against Louisville back to back in November. Here's the

1050
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 2: how I'll qualify it though. If this offense does indeed

1051
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: click with Nate Yarnell and cade Bell and a bunch

1052
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: of returning skill guys and they figure out the offensive line,

1053
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: if it to like the point where it's like a

1054
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 2: B plus, we just have to understand that we might

1055
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: be in a universe where Pitt starts the year out

1056
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: like five to one, and we have to readjust expectations

1057
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 2: because he does deserve that benefit of the doubt. He

1058
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: has earned it. And despite all of his complaining, despite

1059
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: all of his exasperation at the state of roster building

1060
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, like, they could still win a

1061
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: bunch of games, be it in ugly fashion, be it

1062
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 2: in impressive fashion given the changes on offense. But yeah,

1063
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 2: I think we have to sprinkle this roast with a

1064
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 2: little bit of twenty twenty three was weird. I don't

1065
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: think they have the talent necessarily to make another like

1066
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 2: super impressive run, but I think saying that they could

1067
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 2: be understandably dangerous is fine.

1068
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: They're over under his five and a half. I would

1069
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: not touch that with a ten foot pole. Dan, Okay,

1070
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: we don't know if the offense is going to take

1071
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 1: the defense. To your point, probably less of a question,

1072
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: but still a concern given where it's been. And as

1073
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: you look at the schedule, there are two, maybe three

1074
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: games that are guaranteed wins and beyond that maybe nine

1075
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: or ten question marks. We just don't know what this

1076
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: team's going to be, so we may have to adjust

1077
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: after week six our expectations. They could hit that over

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Speaker 1: pretty quickly. It also could go horribly wrong. We don't know, right, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, that's the fascinating thing is you look at the defenses.

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00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: What we perceive, you know, a reasonable expectation for the

1081
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: defense is that they face early Kent State Cincinnati on

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00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 2: the road backyard ball. West Virginia's defense definitely took lumps

1083
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 2: last year. Youngstown State should beat the Penguins, though, was

1084
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: that the matchup way back when when Notre Dame like

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00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 2: twenty twelve pitt Like went to overtime against Youngstown State

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00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: and that was like Notre Dame's best win was pit

1087
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: and North Carolina's defense should be improved, but probably not

1088
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: incredible and cal same so like they have opportunity there

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00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: they definitely do to me. Let's close things out with Syracuse, Dan,

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the QUS. Syracuse six and seven last

1091
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: year got smoked by forty five in the Boca Ratone

1092
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 2: Bowl to USF another team that we like, but great schedule,

1093
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: got an influx of talent, we got real momentum, passion

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00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: energy with Fran Brown. How high is too high? They're

1095
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: over under his seven? Yeah, and I think that's come up.

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00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: I think there's been a bunch of Syracuse enthusiasm. I

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00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 2: don't know if that was pushed up from five and

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00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: a half for six and a half games, but I

1099
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: think that's come up since spring. How much is too much? Well, look,

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00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: we know they have a decent quarterback, which they haven't

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00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: always had or they haven't always had decent quarterback. Play

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00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: with your guy, Garrett Shredder, I think com Acord will

1103
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: be decent. He's got an all conference caliber pass catcher,

1104
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: tight end, receiver, hybrid whatever and Ronde Gatson. I like

1105
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 2: the way that they filled in this defense in the portal.

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00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: I like the pieces of the portal. I like Fran

1107
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 2: Brown's background, they should be able to run the ball

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00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 2: if the offensive line is a little bit better. Now

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00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: that you know, it's hard to be crazy high on

1110
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: a team when you still have questions about line play.

1111
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: Now they've addressed some of that in the portal, there's

1112
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: a lot of experience in the back end of this defense.

1113
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: Their schedule, and I say this as somebody, I mean,

1114
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 2: we're different generations, but we're roughly the same age. I'll

1115
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: shure you, tricky mid section. I'm raising my hand right here.

1116
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: I can relate tricky mid section to this schedule at

1117
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 2: UNLV on a Friday night, flying way out west, at

1118
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: NC State, and a bye week before they're at pitt

1119
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: in Virginia Tech. They finish the season hosting Miami, I Believe,

1120
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Speaker 2: and Miss Florida State, Clemson Louisville. All things considered, yeah,

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00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's more difficult than tricky, but I

1122
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 2: wouldn't budge off of tricky before knowing what this offensive

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00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: line looks like. So I like Syracuse. I'm buying low

1124
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 2: on Syracuse as a program right now. I think there's

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00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: a lot of interesting things Fran Brown can do. But

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01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see what the next step looks like

1127
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: for Syracuse, because I think he built a pretty good staff.

1128
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Speaker 2: Hit the portal really impressively, you know, given the timing

1129
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: and how unfortunate it is to take over a team

1130
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: in the portal era. But gonna need to see it.

1131
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: Gonna absolutely need to see it before feeling great about

1132
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: them long term. But I also like them. I like

1133
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: what this program did. Like I think they did about

1134
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 2: as well as they could have considering where the roster was,

1135
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 2: you know, bringing Deuced chestnutback who transferred to LSU and

1136
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: is now back. I'll see La c C caliber safety.

1137
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 2: I think there are pieces at every position group that

1138
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 2: could make this team a comfortable bowl team.

1139
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: I do.

1140
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: All right in terms of the over under. If you

1141
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 2: gave me a half, right, if you gave me that half,

1142
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: win hook six and a half or seven and a half,

1143
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: I could probably answer it better. But I think if

1144
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: if you told me they went seven to five, I'd

1145
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: say that sounds about right.

1146
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see Syracuse. I think Syracuse and pitt

1147
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: we closed out with them here two of the more

1148
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: interesting teams in college football.

1149
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: Agree.

1150
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: Okay, that's part one coming up on our next episode.

1151
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: We will attack sort of the next best of the rest.

1152
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 1: NC State was in our contender category. Dan, you could

1153
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 1: tell us why Louisville and Virginia Tech are lurking. We'll

1154
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: explain that as well, and then go into some of

1155
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: the plucky teams that we didn't have a chance to

1156
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: discuss on this episode. Georgia Tech, North Carolina. You included

1157
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: Virginia in there. I included Boston College. We'll also talk

1158
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: a little bit about Duke and Wake so nine teams

1159
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: coming up on part two. I think we covered most

1160
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: of the Florida State, Clemson Miami conversation on this episode,

1161
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:56,040
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1162
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Speaker 2: I thought that was a pretty good tease for the

1176
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Speaker 2: next episode. I'm gonna try my hand at it too.

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Speaker 2: New love interest on the solid verbal, A new witness emerges.

1178
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1180
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1181
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1182
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,320
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