1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: What do you do when life doesn't go according to 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: plan that moment you lose a job, or a loved one, 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: or even a piece of yourself. I'm Brookshields and this 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: is now What, a podcast about pivotal moments as told 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: by people who lived them. Each week, I sit down 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: with a guest to talk about the times they were 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: knocked off course and what they did to move forward. 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: Some stories are funny, others are gut wrenching, but all 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: are unapologetically human and remind us that every success and 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: every setback is accompanied by a choice, and that choice 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: answers one question, now. 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: What I'm a father because I straightened up like I 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: couldn't have it, you know, it was better for me 14 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: to be older and be established and be clear and 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: clean and be able to give him everything that he deserved. Well, 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: he woke up this morning, he was slepting me welcome. 17 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: This morning, and it was really close. 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 4: How old is he now? 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 3: Five and a half And his face was right next 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: to my dad. Yeah, you smell like the bathroom in 21 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: my school. 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 4: Than thank you, thank thank, thank you for that very much, 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 4: thank you. 24 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: But we were in Paris over August, my birthday. We 25 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: were in Greece first, and we were there two days. 26 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: And the first day we had this guide who's a 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: nice older French woman, you know, just a normal and 28 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 2: he didn't really pay to it. Next day, this beautiful 29 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: thirty year old French guide shows up and he's like, 30 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: he's five and a half and he's wait, you know, 31 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: I was never like this, but he was so and 32 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: his his move is he says, my goes, so, what's 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: my favorite color? What's my favorite like he you know, 34 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: you got to he's quizzing it, and so I overhear 35 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: him talking to this woman and he's saying, so, I 36 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: have this girlfriend back at Homer names now. 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: Just as she gets out of earshot, I swear to you. 38 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: He looks at me and goes, why did I tell 39 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 3: her I had a girlfriend? Oh my god, you had 40 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: a shot at her. 41 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: Kid. 42 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: My guest today is one of a kind. 43 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: John Stamos is an actor, a musician, and author, and, 44 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: as it turns out an excellent interview. He and I 45 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: met as teenagers and we grew up in this industry, 46 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: occasionally crossing paths. 47 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 4: On TV and in the theater. 48 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: His reputation is a heart throb and America's dreamiest uncle 49 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: is easy to understand, but he's also a phenomenal actor, 50 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: a drummer for the Beach Boys, a husband and a father, 51 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: and an excellent friend. His memoir, If You would Have 52 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: Told Me, was one I couldn't put down. I so 53 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: appreciated his introspection and his honesty, and I loved reading 54 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: more about his journey, the one I had witnessed from Afar. So, 55 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: without further ado, here is John Stamos. 56 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 4: John Stamos, hiber Welcome. I'm so happy you decided to 57 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 4: talk to me. 58 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 2: I love you, and I'm so excited that you asked 59 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: me to be on here. I was obsessed with your documentary, 60 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: the Hulu one that came out a six months ago. 61 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 3: I can't believe. 62 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I knew you went through a lot, but 63 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: just watching that was like, oh my god, you know, 64 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: and then it just made me more proud to know 65 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: you and. 66 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: Watch the way you've lived your life. 67 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: After when I first met you, up until about right now, 68 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: I've had the biggest crush on you. 69 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: You were the. 70 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: First superstar girl that I had a crusher that I 71 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: ever met. 72 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: And you know where it was. 73 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: It was at a Circus of the Stars, and it's 74 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: so crazy. And I had another picture, but I just 75 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: found this one. 76 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god. That was in the hotel room in Vegas. 77 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: No, we weren't in any hotel rooms, all of. 78 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: Us thinks on not being creepy. This was at the 79 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: forum here in Los Angeles. And were you dating Ted 80 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: McGinley or was he just there? 81 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 4: We were dating? 82 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: He went a problem with me? I sweet, yeah, never 83 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: slept with them very you know, well it's not too 84 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: you're married. 85 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: But anyway, I just love you and I'm I'm just 86 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: grateful that you have me on here today. 87 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: And what a great smart idea. Now what thank you? 88 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: And also I mean, I feel like after reading your book, 89 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: I have a totally new appreciation. 90 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 4: For everything that you've done. 91 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. 92 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 4: What was the process like, Well, it's very difficult. 93 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 2: I never thought you had a story to tell. I 94 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: didn't think I have had one until I started writing 95 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 2: it and being sort of immature about it all, I thought, 96 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: like all people want to read about was my sexual conquests, 97 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: which aren't that many, and I'm not going to tell 98 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: this or that, which was such bullshit. 99 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: And so I was. 100 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: I became a father in my mid fifties, and then 101 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: Bob died and I wrote this. I wrote this obituary 102 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: type story about him in the La Times, and then 103 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 2: agents saw it and said, oh, you got to write 104 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: a book. Like no, I don't, And I just could. 105 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: I just couldn't fathom. I couldn't imagine. 106 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: You're you know, you went to college. I could. 107 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: I went to that little room where you sign up 108 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: to go to the college, but I couldn't find I 109 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: couldn't find the room. As a local culture, I went 110 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: to knox Berry Farm. 111 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: Then I came home. That was my school. 112 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: But as I started, I realized, oh, I just discovered 113 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: what my story was. I started off with my mom 114 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: wrote these beautiful notes. 115 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: They're so sweet and her handwriting is so beautiful. 116 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: I cherished these notes and so that was really a 117 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 2: starting point too, and I could start of put them 118 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: together and find a map. And then I started with 119 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: that first chapter, which was getting a Dui. And you know, 120 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: it turned out like the first sentence was like, pull 121 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: over our uncle Jesse, You're fucked up. I was like, 122 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: oh man, and that was so hard. And it was 123 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: the five stages of grief. Them were booze and sex, 124 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,119 Speaker 2: and you know, just everything terrible. And then then I 125 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: wrote this the would turn out to be the last chapter. 126 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: It was the day I found out about Bob, and 127 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 2: you know, the five stages of grief. There were therapy 128 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 2: and family and exercise and taking care of myself. 129 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: So then I just had to figure out how to 130 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 3: get there. 131 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 2: But I don't know about you, but like when you 132 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: start telling your story, you you go like, wow, it 133 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: was pretty extraordinary. 134 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: You were forthcoming pretty fast. 135 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: It took me, you know, to be honest, the way 136 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: you were, and it took me a minute to get there. 137 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, what my mom, I'm 138 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: going to do this. I got to, you know, just 139 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 3: do it for real. 140 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, first of all, you you do have 141 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: a story. You did have a story, and it's quite evident. 142 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: I think we get very comfortable in these industries with 143 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: what other people's narrative is of of us, and it 144 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: and it's comfortable and it works, and we get approved 145 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: of and we get applauded and we get stuff for it, 146 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: and you know, and so there's all these little seductive 147 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: pieces that allow your ego, I believe, to feel like 148 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: it matters. And then when you sit with the honesty 149 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: and sweetness of your mother's notes. And you see you 150 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: open the book with that duy, the embarrassment, the fear, 151 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: the the and and you know you your reaction was 152 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: to brink drink an entire bottle of wine and you 153 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: kind of go like, see that's the real shit. 154 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 3: Yes. 155 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: So I think that having difficulty at first just means 156 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: that you were getting away from your ego. You were 157 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: getting in touch with yourself as a father, yourself as 158 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: a friend. 159 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: And also playing into what you think people want to hear, 160 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: what they think of you. And I went, that's probably 161 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: one of the main reasons why I didn't get married 162 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: sooner or remarried soon. 163 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: I thought I had to be this playboy. 164 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: I thought that I was the guy that people got 165 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: to live vicariously through. Now it's my fault because I 166 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: play into one hundred because like you said, it was 167 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: it's company. 168 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: I think I'm a good looking guy. 169 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: I got to keep this I wasn't you know, I was, 170 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 2: you know, in bed early, and I stayed away from nobody. 171 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: I mean, like the the bon vivante, you know guy, 172 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: because I really all I wanted was true love. All 173 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: I wanted was what my family my mom and dad had. 174 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: All they wanted was a family like that, and thank god, 175 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: by the skin of my teeth, I ended up with it. 176 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: Well, need a starter marriage because I had one of 177 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: those too, So yeah, you need one of those. 178 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: Do you think that you would have you? Again? 179 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: You opened the book with with the d u I 180 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: and it's very it's just like, you know, you really 181 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: catch catch people. But do you think that you would 182 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: have been able to get truly sober? And I say 183 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: that meaning I know the continuity of having to be that. 184 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: Do you think you would have been able to had 185 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: it had that event not happened? 186 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 3: No, I probably would have died. I didn't want to. 187 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't want to kill myself. 188 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever felt like this, but 189 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 2: if I died, I was like, Okay, I've done it. 190 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: I had a TV show, met Brooke Shields. You know 191 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 2: I could I could die of the Stars Stars what else? 192 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: But you know, like, learn from me, people, if you're 193 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: if you're listening or watching, like, don't I could have 194 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: killed somebody. 195 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 3: Brook. I was fuck it. 196 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: I mean to even just talk about now is it 197 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 2: just makes me so sick to my stomach. What a 198 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: and a what a failure? I was, you know, to 199 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 2: the universe, Like I was confusing the universe at that moment. 200 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: Because I was brought up a certain way. I didn't 201 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: have the obstacles that you had. I had both parents, 202 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: and my parents were you know, were loving and cool. 203 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: You know, they were alcoholic, but they dealt with it 204 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 2: a little better I think than your mom did. I 205 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 2: don't know, but so I had no excuse. And here 206 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 2: I was being the gigantic fuck up that I was 207 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: at that moment. So I probably wouldn't have. But I 208 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: you know, before I wrote this book, I used to say, 209 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: I have regrets. Yeah I wish I didn't do this. 210 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: I wish that didn't that, but I should have taken 211 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: that role. I didn't do it, And after writing I 212 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: was like, no, everything was the way it was supposed 213 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 2: to be because I learned from each of those moments 214 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: in my life, and I smart enough to kind of 215 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: do better or learn from them and not make the 216 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: same mistake. 217 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: Hopefully. 218 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: I want to kind of jump back a little bit 219 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: to you as a as a younger John, you talk 220 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: about being a dorky kid, You talk about being the 221 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: marching band and loving puppets and magic and Disney. 222 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 4: Who was little? Who is little? Were you Johnny? 223 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Johnny, who is a little Johnny pretty gawky dorky. 224 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: In the book, I have a picture of me with 225 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: puppets and there's a girl standing next to me going, 226 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: you know, like it was not impressive, And then the 227 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: next picture is me playing drunk like I went to 228 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 2: that thinking that, but I remember, you were always beautiful. 229 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 2: I was a caterpillar and then into the butterfly, and 230 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 2: it's all I wanted. I say that I wanted to 231 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: be famous, and I did, but I'm more I just 232 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: wanted to be liked. 233 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 3: I wanted to be admired or whatever. I was bullied. 234 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: You know, A guy punched me and the I had a 235 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 3: black eye, and I had to deal with that. But 236 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: then girls started. 237 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: His girl in particular, I wanted to go out with me, 238 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: and I ended up going out with her for a 239 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: couple of years. 240 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 4: But then I realized his name a protected name. 241 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I changed it. 242 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: I wanted to dedicate he knows who he is. I 243 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: wanted to dedicate the whole book to him, but you know, 244 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: they wouldn't have me anyway. I'm kidding but I did. 245 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: I do remember every milestone was like, I'm going to 246 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: show him. I'm going to play with the beach sports. 247 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: I went to invite the show and I'm gonna have 248 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: my bodyguards give him a black eye, and no, I'm going. 249 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: To But those kinds of relationships, though, are important in 250 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: a driving force, you know. I mean I've had them 251 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: in different different ways. 252 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 4: You know. 253 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: Mine was my you know, my revenge was like I'm 254 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: going to get an education to improve all you wrong. 255 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: But how do you do you feel like? I don't know, 256 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: but do you feel like you've made it? Like you've 257 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: you're a pretty close to a complete human going through 258 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 2: all the stuff that you've gone through. 259 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 1: And I have finally just started doing things for myself 260 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: on my own. 261 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 4: Terms, like what like what not giving a ship? 262 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: Like yesterday, I was on the plane and there was 263 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: a woman and she was sitting across the aisle from me, 264 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: and I was talking to this other lady. 265 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 4: I was flying five. 266 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: Different cities in like two days, and and uh, they 267 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: do the sneaky thing when they picked up the camera 268 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: and they and they think you're blind and it's right 269 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: there and you know, and you're and I had a tequila. 270 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 4: So I was like, all right. 271 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: I was like, lady, guys, I was like, don't say it, 272 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: don't say it, don't do it, don't do it. 273 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 4: And I just said, I said, hey, excuse me. 274 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: I said, you know, if you had asked, I would 275 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: have said yes, but it's the sneaking that I just 276 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: can't take. And the woman got so embarrassed, to which 277 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: then I felt bad. And then I was I was going, 278 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: do you want to meet me in the galley and 279 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: I'll take a picture with you? And I'm sorry, I've 280 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: had a tequila and maybe i'm you know, edgie, I'm tired. 281 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: And then she's like, no, no, no, I don't want a picture. 282 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: And then I'm going, well, are you sure you don't 283 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: want a picture? Why don't we just why don't we 284 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: just stand by the bathroom and get a picture. And 285 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: then I became insane and the whole thing was a mess. 286 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: But it was a moment where I thought like I 287 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: would have never said anything. 288 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 4: I would have just kept my mouth shut. 289 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: And I've gotten to this place where I don't want 290 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: to give it all away anymore. I'm proud of my kids, 291 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: proud of my twenty five year relationship. You know, I'm 292 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: proud of the fact that I'm still able to work. 293 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm castable. It wasn't until Broadway that I realized I 294 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: had talent, I had balls. 295 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 4: I was a triple threat. 296 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: Cabaret was the greatest thing I ever did. Did you 297 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 2: have the best? Was it your favorite all time? 298 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 4: It was? It was a revelation to me. 299 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: A wonderful town was more so of a personal. 300 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 3: I saw you in that. 301 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 4: That was just personally my personal best. 302 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: Cabaret was a struggle the whole time, but it was 303 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: one of the first times I really understood myself as 304 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: an actress. 305 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, as an actor. 306 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: For me, I had to like, you know, in the beginning, 307 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: you know, I was afraid to really go to that 308 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 2: place where you had to go to play the mc or. 309 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 3: And people were walking out and I'm like, oh shit, 310 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 3: what am I doing? Really said, no, you do it. 311 00:13:58,720 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: That's the good. 312 00:13:59,480 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: You know. 313 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: That was a time too, As I write as if 314 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: she was writing, I found myself in the middle back 315 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 2: then and before general hospital stuff, in the middle of 316 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: the cultural issues that were going on. Cabaret was my 317 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 2: first publicist was gay and he was dying of AIDS. 318 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: And you know, and his parents didn't accept it. I 319 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 2: was going through, you know, that whole thing. So there's 320 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: all these things as I wrote the book that it 321 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: came to. But but I'd never been I'd never been 322 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: on I never done the theater and I and you know, 323 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: I worked with Jack Klugman before Full House and he 324 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: was like, get to the data, and I was like, 325 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: I never did it before. 326 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: But like everything in my life, like writing a book, 327 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: it was like I can't write a book, but you 328 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 3: do it. But I worked really hard at it. 329 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you've worked constantly since your start. Yeah, but 330 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: you've also done the thing that I think people don't 331 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: they don't really realize is so important, is that in 332 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: order to have longevity in any capacity, you have to 333 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: keep working. But this business doesn't design. It is not 334 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: design to. 335 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 4: Allow you to keep working. Right now, you said you 336 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 4: didn't want to be on Full House at first. When 337 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 4: did you change her? Why? 338 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: Well, well, because look it was it was pitched to 339 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: me as Bosom Buddies. 340 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: I love that show with Tom Hanks, just Glory and I. 341 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: So it was and it was the same producers and 342 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: it was like it's Bosom Buddies, but you know, there's 343 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: three guys and there's some kids, but they're in the background. 344 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: And then I was like, okay, you know, and I'm 345 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: you know, I said yes, and then we got it 346 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: together and I'll never forget the table read. I went 347 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: in thinking like I was the big you know, I 348 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: was the star. I came off you know shows, and 349 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: the mothers and the. 350 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 3: Sisters were like, oh, Johnson wasn't. 351 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: And I sat down at the table and Jody Sweeten 352 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: blew the roof off the page and every joke that 353 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: she they were laughing so hard that you couldn't even 354 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: hear it. And then when it was over, I ran 355 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: it was paid phone, So I ran out to the payphone. 356 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: I jammed a corner and I was like, get me 357 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: off as fucking show. 358 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: It's roper room. I didn't sign up for this. So 359 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: I went in kicking his steaming. 360 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 4: Were you just threat by someone else getting a better 361 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 4: your lack horse? 362 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? 363 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was no yes until I learned to 364 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: you know, there was quite an evolution. 365 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: I'll get too. 366 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: But I just thought it was a kiddie show and 367 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: it wasn't for me, and it wasn't sophisticated, and it 368 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: wasn't Seinfeld, it wasn't this one. So then we get 369 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: into it, and after the first year was I started 370 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: to like it a little bit and I had to 371 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: give into it because there it was every day. And 372 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: I remember some a father coming up to me saying, 373 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: you know, this showed me so much to me because 374 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 2: I'm a single dad and I got two daughters, and 375 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: your family on there is not the traditional family, but 376 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: you're still family. 377 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: Okay. 378 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: So the agents called and said, you know, we're gonna 379 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: We're probably not gonna make it, and I said, well, really, 380 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I said, you hated the show, and I said, well, 381 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: I'm starting to now to back up, and here's something 382 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: I discovered. 383 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 3: I was already I was madly in love. 384 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: My first love was this actress named Terry Copley, and 385 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: I fell mad in love. She was a little older, sophistication, 386 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: had a daughter, and I said, I'm a married or 387 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: be a stepdad, it's gonna be great. 388 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: I caught her in bed with Tony. 389 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: Dance and Brooks jaw just hit the the not just 390 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: the desks at the floor and just it's perfect. I 391 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 2: haven't talked about this, but it's in the book, but Anyway, 392 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: My point was what happened, and it was the look. 393 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 3: It was horrible. I don't know if you've been heartbroke. 394 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: You probably haven't because you're a heartbreaker, not a heart 395 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 3: no I have. 396 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: That's another show, Jackson who no, no, no, no, no, 397 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: Liam Neeson broke. 398 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 3: I heard you talking about that on Stern right right? 399 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Liam, Well so but you know what that felt like, right, 400 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 2: and so I was going to took me years to 401 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: get over it. Then I'm doing full House. Then it's 402 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: it's on the bubble, not gonna get picked up. And 403 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: they said, well, we're gonna They're. 404 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: Gonna try, John. 405 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: They have an idea to put it on one of 406 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: their hits during the summer, and they put us on 407 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 2: after one of their hit shows. We find an audience. 408 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 2: We go back in second season, We've become a hit. 409 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: That show was Who's the Boss with Tony Danzer. 410 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 3: So it all equal. 411 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: Well, Time was surprised to hear that you and learned 412 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: that you and Bob did not get. 413 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 4: Along famously at first. What do you think that was about. 414 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: Bob was a comic and he was addicted, like a 415 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: drug addict to laughs, and if he didn't get them. 416 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 2: He would go make the crew laugh, and that was 417 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 2: terribly distracting if I came in approaching every scene with 418 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 2: story and why character and why would I say this? 419 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 2: And I wouldn't move over there, you know, and Bob 420 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: was just trying to make everyone laugh, and it was 421 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 2: very distracting to me, and I probably was, you know, 422 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 2: dampened his process too. But we finally came around, truthfully 423 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: when his sister, Sclaire Durham, Dave's sister had a terrible 424 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 2: cancer and my sister had a brain tumor, and all 425 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 2: of a sudden we became brothers. You know, that we 426 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 2: that we're going to lose their sisters. Fortunately my sister 427 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: made it out there didn't And it was the moment 428 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: where we put everything aside and really bonded. And but 429 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: I didn't. Jeff Franklin was over here the other day. 430 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: He's writing a book. He was asking he's the creator 431 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 2: full hub. 432 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 3: He said, when did you When did you just. 433 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 2: Let go and like the show? And I said, not 434 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: until I wrote this book. The critics got to me 435 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: right and and now I go, you know what, guys, 436 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: you're smarter than me. 437 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 3: I know it's fascial. I know it's silly at times. 438 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: I know it was, you know whatever, But what you 439 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: missed is right below all that is heard and it 440 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: and and and that's when the brain steps aside and 441 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 2: lets you fully feel something. And you they weren't incapable 442 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: of doing that. I guess what the show wasn't meant 443 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 2: for you. 444 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: But listen also, you know people that that reach any 445 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: level of success in any of these shows and then 446 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: decide they're going to like shit on the show and 447 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: and be like look down upon it. I've I lou I. 448 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: It just irks me so much because you know what, 449 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: then don't do it right, don't do it. And the 450 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: critics are critics because that's what they do. They they 451 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: are critics, and that it doesn't behoove them. 452 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 2: But see I had all the same side in art, 453 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 2: but but that is that's it, like we did. We 454 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 2: had that same thing. And did you feel like you're 455 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 2: trying so hard to prove to prove and then when 456 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: you finally let it go, you know I was doing 457 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: I did The Best Man with James Earl Jones and 458 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 2: it was hands down the greatest. You know, he's who 459 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: was the greatest living I don't know if you've met him, 460 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: but he's just a powerful genius. And to be on 461 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: stage with him two night after night it was a 462 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: three hours Gorbidal show, very real, very serious. And the 463 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: last night he liked to go work on pieces of 464 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 2: bits and scenes and stuff. And it was closing the 465 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 2: next day, and the night before he wanted to work 466 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: on something. But the last they were walking across the 467 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: stage and the show was done, and the guys were 468 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: ticking stuff down, and I think people knew it was 469 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,239 Speaker 2: the last time that the two of us would have 470 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: be alone, so people got away from us. 471 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 3: And I said, James, I used to. 472 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: Call hi big Dad, big Daddy, And yeah, little John, 473 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: I said, you gave me something that no one. 474 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 3: You gave me legitimacy. 475 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: Standing on that stage with you, I finally feel that 476 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 2: the people out there in this world will look at 477 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: me and say, John stain Was. 478 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 3: You're a real actor. We walk out and open the 479 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 3: stage door and all the people are out there. I 480 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 3: got Jessey, Uncle Jessey, say. 481 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 2: Max, and I wanted to I couldn't look at him, 482 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: and I wanted to find a way to crawl in 483 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 2: between some legs and run on Broadway and just as 484 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: I was feeling the most embarrassed, I look over and 485 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: somebody has a phone out James, Joe, could you say, Luke, 486 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 2: I am your father? 487 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 3: Could you say, Luke, I am your father? And we 488 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: looked at each other. 489 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, yeah, fuck it, I don't care 490 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 2: call me uncle, you know, And that was a big 491 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 2: relief to me, a revelation. 492 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: We call this show now What because it is about 493 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: those times in our lives when something happens. It could 494 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: be good, it can be bad, and we're left thinking like. 495 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 4: Oh shit, what do I do now? 496 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: You know, if you had to pick one moment that 497 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: really changed you, what would it be? 498 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 2: You know? I was trying to think of that because 499 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,479 Speaker 2: of because that's the theme of your show. But I 500 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: think maybe turning sixty, I have every thing I want, 501 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: like I really want it rightly. You know what happened 502 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 2: to the kid who got everything he wanted? He lived 503 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 2: happily around here. 504 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: I'm at that point. 505 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: But I have to you know, I have to respect it, 506 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: and I have to be the best father and the 507 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: best husband and the best human. When things really clicked 508 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 2: for me is when I turn it on the gratitude, 509 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: when the gratitude just pouring out of me. 510 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 3: Gratitude, gratitude. 511 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 2: Thank God I'm still alive, thank God I have a family, 512 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: thank God, I'm so grateful. 513 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 3: Every day. 514 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 2: For a long time, I would write it by gratitude, 515 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 2: you know, my list out what could be simple things. 516 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: Then I just started to feel it. Now I have 517 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 2: some friends you might know that. Every morning it's like, 518 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 2: g what we're grateful for, what our fears are? And 519 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: a what's our attribute today? 520 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 3: What are we going to do? 521 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: Is there a pivotal moment in your life, because you're 522 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: clearly in a very healthy, different place now, was there 523 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: a pivotal moment that made you really realize that you 524 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: wanted to find gratitude and feel differently? 525 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 3: I think sobering up was it for me? 526 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: Was it a long process or was it did you 527 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: fall off the wagon again? 528 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 4: Did you go back and forth? 529 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 3: Or when it? When it happened? 530 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: And you know, we started this deal with talking about that, 531 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 2: du I d like, you know, could I have straightened. 532 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 3: Out with that or maybe not? 533 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 2: But I think it once I could admit that I 534 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: had an issue and it was, you know, preventing me 535 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: from the life that I always dreamed about. Then it 536 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 2: kind of all fell into place and I had I 537 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 2: got out of I went to rehab and that was, 538 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 2: you know, was it was expensive. So I said, I'm 539 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 2: going to put all into this if it doesn't work, 540 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 2: and it were and then I came out, you know, 541 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 2: and I was very lucky. I had a television stuff 542 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: waiting for me, and then I met Caitlyn about a 543 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 2: year later, and it was just like I got to 544 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 2: stay on this path. 545 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: And and that's that's probably why now you're the father 546 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: and husband fully realized or or or in the process 547 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: always of being fully realized. To me, it's it's a 548 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: lifelong endeavor. What kind of father do you feel you 549 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: are because of your entire past? 550 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 3: Right, Well, I'm a father because I straightened up, like 551 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 3: I couldn't have it. You know, I was drinking and 552 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 3: you know I couldn't. 553 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: The great luckily for me, and it's it's hard for 554 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 2: women obviously because of the time, you know, the time clock. 555 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: But you know, it was better for me to be 556 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: older and be established and be clear and clean and 557 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: be able to give him everything that he you know, deserved. 558 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: Well and as a as a parent, now you probably 559 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: what do you appreciate about your parents that like you 560 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: didn't before? 561 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, almost so much. I more than the you know, 562 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 3: the kindness. 563 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 2: My mom was so kind and she would she would 564 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: look at someone and whatever, whatever their good part was, 565 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: that's what defined them to her. And I would be 566 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 2: like mom, like come on, Like would be in a restaurant. 567 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 2: She would lather on these compliments and make someone feel 568 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: really good, like come on, mother, And that's you know, 569 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 2: that's me now. But I do wish that they were 570 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: still around because I have you know, you have questions. 571 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 3: Do you go like this, am I doing this right? 572 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: What do I do about that? 573 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 4: Well? 574 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 3: How was I when I was you know, five and 575 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: a half. Stuff. 576 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: It's weird to lose both parents and relatively young. You 577 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: feel orphaned in a way. And the things that have 578 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: made me the saddest is my girls not knowing my dad, Like. 579 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 3: Did you know he was that at all? I can't remember. 580 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: He's so so well the yeah I was the last 581 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: call that was made. 582 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 3: How old were you when he died? 583 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 4: He was? He died at sixty two, and I was 584 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 4: I was thirty. 585 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was right just before I had rowan, So 586 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: I was thirty seven and then My mom died in 587 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, but she had dementia her so I sort 588 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: of just watched her for a few years, you know. 589 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 4: But that's that. 590 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: My dad was just so beautiful and so larger than 591 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: life and so funny. My dad never saw any movie 592 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: I was in. The Only thing that he saw me 593 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,479 Speaker 1: was in theater. He came to every Broadway show, and 594 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: then when he was dying, he asked me for VHS 595 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: tapes of all my suddenly susans. 596 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 2: How did it feel your dad being in the theater 597 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: like seeingior shows? 598 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 3: To me, that was to look at me. 599 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: Like that, my mom not seeing my mom as much, 600 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: because you know, she was just always there and always 601 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: couldn't get you know, couldn't get enough of me. And 602 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: but my dad, it was this was something he could see, 603 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: and you know, doing cabaret and being that provocative in 604 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: front of Daddy was a little bit of a a 605 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: little bit of a blew my mind, just a little bit. 606 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: He'd be like, Jesus Christ, you're wearing your underwear on 607 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 2: that stage. But yeah, yeah, I don't think my dad 608 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 2: could have saw me in cabaret sparkly nippleson, I don't think. 609 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 2: But he saw me and how to succeed and that, 610 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 2: and he told my mom that was the proudest moment 611 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 2: life and any cry sweet, so you know. But yeah, 612 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 2: and my mom saying like if she came to see 613 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: me Cabaret, like if she was going to stay for 614 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: three wheiks, she was at every single show, she wrote, 615 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 2: you probably saw it, she wrote. She would write up 616 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: something on the wall, good luck, good love you, mama, 617 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: stamos and stuff. 618 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: And so what would it feel like having them witnessed 619 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: something that is so hard and and is so important 620 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: and so difficult, And what was it like for them 621 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: to witness that? 622 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 3: Well? I always wanted to. I always wanted to make 623 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 3: my dad proud of you, you know. 624 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: And he was a tough greet not tough, but he 625 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: was you know, he was you know, he used to 626 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 2: he loved to cook and he would make you know, 627 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: barbecue for all the TV shows and stuff, and they 628 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 2: would people would come over and say, oh, we don't 629 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: eat meat, we don't, you know. 630 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 3: He got so they do cocaine, but they can't eat 631 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 3: meat these Hollywood. But so he was the kind of 632 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 3: like that. 633 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: But to see him ever if he ever sort of 634 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: got soft and cry, you know, so when he cried 635 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: when he saw me and have succeed that man a lot. 636 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: He you know, when he had a stroke in Vegas 637 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: airport and didn't and they tried to get him, you know, 638 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: pump them, and he didn't. His oxygen was too long. 639 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: But he was in a coma for like six months, 640 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 2: which was you know, I don't know if it was 641 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: better or worse. But he lived at the house and 642 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 2: I and I found this. I was did a movie 643 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: in Yugoslavia and he they came over here there and 644 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: when he got home, this was a long long time ago, 645 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: and he wrote out this. He very didn't write very much, 646 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 2: but he wrote very good handwriting, and he wrote this 647 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 2: note and facts it to me. Okay, so I can 648 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: sort of forgot about it. But when he was dying, 649 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: I went into his room and he was a very humble, 650 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 2: didn't have it. I was looking for a watch. He 651 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: had some crappy time acts or something. But then I 652 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: moved some shirts around. I saw the bottom of this 653 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 2: letter that's up there, and it said I love you Dad, 654 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: And I was like, my heart stopped, So what is this? 655 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 2: And I pull and it was the original letter that 656 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 2: he wrote in facts, and he lays out a B 657 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: and c's a. You know, the way he treated people 658 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: was really crowd you know. B My chest was swelling 659 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 2: to sixty inches. And she says, man doesn't have many 660 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 2: great moments in his life, but you have given me many. 661 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: I love you. Oh oh yeah, God, okay, right well, 662 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: she wanted to bring the room now one. 663 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 3: God, I love talking to you. 664 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 4: Thanks for having I love talking to you. Let's make 665 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 4: a plan. 666 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 3: I would I would love it. 667 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 4: Let's have a double day to do it. 668 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: Let's go to the theater together. I'm going to Let's 669 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 3: go to the theater. 670 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 4: Let's toast Bob. 671 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: And all the wonderful people are heroes. Let me love you, 672 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: mom My, mom my, mom and dad. 673 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 4: Absolutely, Brook, I love you. 674 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 3: I thank you. 675 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: This was really a special time to talk to you, 676 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: and I appreciate it. 677 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: That was the wonderful John Stamos. And if you loved 678 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: this interview as much as I did, go pick up 679 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: a copy of his new book. If you would have 680 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: told me, you'll be happy you did. That's it for 681 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: us today. Talk to you next week. 682 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 3: Now. 683 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: What with Burke Shields is a production of iHeartRadio. Our 684 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: lead producer and Wonderful. Showrunner is Julia Weaver. Additional research 685 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: and editing by Darby Masters and Abu zafar Our. Executive 686 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: producer is Christina Everett. The show is mixed by Baheed Fraser.