1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gottlieb Show podcast. Be 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to five, 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching app spr Boom, What Up America, 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show, Fuck Sports Radio. 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: Hope you're having a great day. It is a Wednesday. 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 2: That is a hump day. It also means it's a 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: day for the Midway. 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And you know what the hardest 20 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: thing to admit is when you're I don't know if 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: it's just guys. I do feel like it's guys. It's 22 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: admitting you were wrong, right, kind of a guy thing. 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: And the most powerful words that you can say sometimes 24 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: is like, hey, I was wrong. And when you're saying 25 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: you're wrong again, I kind of think that's what Mike 26 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: McDaniel's doing here on Tuesday. Remember McDaniel said its quarterback 27 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: was not good enough, and now they'll see if he's 28 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: gonna get if they're going to get any better. The 29 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: issue with Tua is like what really improves? 30 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: You know? 31 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: They built this offense with unbelievable speed where he could 32 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: get it and throw it to a spot. He's just 33 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: not mobile, and while he's accurate, it doesn't have the 34 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: needed zip on it. And he just struggles in cold weather. 35 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 2: He struggles to move in the pocket. And I think, 36 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: obviously if he struggled postgame with some of his press conference, 37 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: struggled in his leadership. And McDaniel and the Dolphins are 38 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: saying they're wrong. But ninety million dollars in who ninety 39 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: million dollars in dead cap money, and sure I'll take 40 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 2: a little bit of a victory lap. Right when I 41 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: get them wrong, people go crazy. How about when I 42 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: get it right. I told you I didn't buy into 43 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: the two hype versus Justin Herbert years ago, and I 44 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: know I'm right now, and again it's gonna be up 45 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: to other people to say I was wrong. The issue 46 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: with the Dolphins is now some of it is. Yet 47 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: you're going to have a new GM. So the new 48 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: GM's gonna draft a new quarterback and maybe he gets 49 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: new coach because they kind of had recovered. The defense 50 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: had been good, the running game had been good. The 51 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: only thing that hadn't been great the quarterback play. Can 52 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: you pin it all on the quarterback? You can't if 53 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: you think McDaniel is that guy. If you think McDaniel 54 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: is capable of finding another quarterback, developing another quarterback, and 55 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 2: rebuilding the culture of this team. But man, that thing 56 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: that happened quick, That one happened quick. You know, he 57 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: had a couple of bad postgame press conferences. The team 58 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: had started to play better, then they play very poorly 59 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: in cold weather yet again, and Mike McDaniel had had it. 60 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: He had had it. And you know this is all 61 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: of the Dolphins saying we were wrong, and look, we 62 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: could go back and go you know, it might not 63 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: have been the wrong pick had to a not gotten 64 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: hurt before the draft. It might not been the wrong 65 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: pick to a not gotten hurt early in his NFL career, 66 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: or the multiple concussions that he suffered where all of 67 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: us were concerned for his post football health and how 68 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: much you could actually play him. But all of these 69 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: things cause you to have to get rid of the 70 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: football earlier. If you don't move well, so you're a 71 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: stationary target there, if you have to guess and get 72 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 2: rid of it and throw it to a spot because 73 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: you don't have the arm strength of others, nor do 74 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: you have this capability needed that can do it. And 75 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: then are you a gun shy because you've had multiple 76 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: concussions and everybody's concerned, so you're kind of you get 77 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: rid of the ball more quickly that can do it 78 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: as well. Whatever the reason is, Tua just has not 79 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: looked like a high level quarterback for a good part 80 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: of the last I don't know, a year and a half, 81 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: two years, and never has looked a part when they 82 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: played in cold weather. I don't hate to say I 83 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: told you so. I did tell you so. The only 84 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 2: hard part is Tua, by all accounts, really good dude, 85 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 2: really good dude, just like I'm talking about, not if 86 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: he's a good teammate whatever, just a good seems like 87 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: a good human being, doesn't seem like a mean spirited person. 88 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: So there is some sympathy that I have towards the 89 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: position day and you could sit there and go, how 90 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: can you be synthetic? He's gonna get if they cut him, 91 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: he's gonna get fifty five million dollars guaranteed. He already 92 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 2: got ninety four million dollars for next year, like all 93 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: of these checks have already been cut. Yeah, I understand. 94 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: But again, like he was at one point in time, 95 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: they it was tanked for Tua. Was that the alliteration 96 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: Jay su tank for Tua? 97 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, love literation. That was a good one. 98 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 2: I know you're a big You're a big alliteration guy. 99 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: And now it is no more. And again, the the 100 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: mistake here to me is not in drafting him. Yeah, 101 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: you drafted him, and I I remember having discussions with 102 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: Tom Tellusco who joins us about him versus Herbert, and 103 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 2: he didn't have the choice. I think they would have 104 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: drafted to it. I do they would have. They Herbert 105 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: checked every box physically, and remember he was a Rose 106 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: Bowl MVP. He was an amazing player, but he did 107 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: have a reputation that's throwing a lot of things kind 108 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: of laterally, which is sort of what Tua does now. 109 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: And for whatever reason, people weren't all in on Justin Herbert, 110 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: despite the fact he literally checks every box, every box. 111 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: But the mistake wasn't in drafting Tua if you evaluate 112 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 2: him as the best prospect. The mistake was the doubling 113 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: down and the contract extension. This is no different than 114 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: running backs. It's no different than anything. It's no different 115 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: than in life. You know, you get pressured to make 116 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: that call do you get married? Right? You've been together 117 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: for like a year and a half, you've been dating, 118 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 2: and everybody's like, hey, ain't getting married? Hey, when are 119 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: you gonna have kids? Hey? And there's lots of guys 120 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: who have decided to go all in because well that's 121 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: what people do. And I understand the philosophy of Chris 122 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 2: Greer again, if we walk ourselves back through it. They 123 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: decided they tanked for Tua, they decided to go get him. 124 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: Their first coach didn't think he was good enough. They 125 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: jettisoned the first coach. They wanted to prove that it was. 126 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: He had some really good moments under McDaniel, especially early 127 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: in his first year with McDaniels and early in several 128 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: different seasons. But the injuries, the concussions piled up, and 129 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: instead of admitting, hey, this might not work out long term, 130 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: they doubled down and gave him the contract attention, and 131 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: that killed the franchise. It just did. Here's Mike McDaniel, 132 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 2: head coach of the Dolphins. Remember he got the job 133 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: in no small part as a play color in San Francisco, though, 134 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: because I'm sure he convinced Chris Greer. Hey, man, I 135 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,239 Speaker 2: can fix Tua. Take a listen. 136 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: I think Quinn gives this team the best chance to win. 137 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 4: You know, our focuses obviously to win the next three games, 138 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 4: but in particular, like I tell the players, we are 139 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 4: focused on beating the Bengals. So that was the motivation. 140 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 4: Zach will be backing them up and two will be 141 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 4: the emergency emergency. 142 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: Third. 143 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this means that they're moving on from Tua. 144 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: They don't want him to get hurt, and they got 145 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: to figure out a way to make sure he doesn't 146 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: get hurt. So they don't owe him any additional money, 147 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: he doesn't have any injury claim, and they can if 148 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: they can't move him, they can trade him before the 149 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: league year ends. Here's McDaniel on how Tua took the news. 150 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 4: It was, you know, a tough conversation. But also I 151 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 4: think he exhibited what makes him a captain and a 152 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 4: leader on this team as he he understood what that 153 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 4: you know, means for his his contribution to the team 154 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: and how he's gonna help Quinn prepare for for his 155 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 4: first start. So you know, I think he displayed leadership 156 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 4: skills by understanding. But as a competitor, you know, it's tough. 157 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: No, no, it's it is tough. And I think the 158 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 2: issue for Tua now becomes if he gets cut and 159 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: he has all that money and he suffered multiple concussions, 160 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: does somebody go all in and make him the starter. 161 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: Does somebody bring him in as a backup? Does he 162 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 2: want to be a backup? I think he does. I 163 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: actually don't think he has the makeup of a guy 164 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 2: who could be a great backup. You know, somebody who 165 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: everybody likes, somebody who has played, has played well, has 166 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: a bunch of money, so he doesn't need the money, right, 167 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: he'll be a very handsomely compensated backup. But if you 168 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 2: look at these deals where people have moved on from quarterbacks, 169 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: it's almost always in that the worst ones are the 170 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: Danny Dimes the second contract, right, the Tua the second contract. 171 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: If you don't know that he's absolutely the guy, then 172 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: he's not the guy. That's the lesson. It's the same 173 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: lesson when you know you're thinking about Gary getting married, 174 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: if you're not absolutely positively sure, then you are absolutely 175 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 2: positively sure it's not her. And I know it does 176 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: sound trite, it does sound cliche to say she'll be 177 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: fine or he'll be fine, But that's the reality, you know, 178 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: just the reality if you're not absolutly this is the 179 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: and I as has nothing to do with me because 180 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: like my marriage was twenty years, like well, I was 181 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: absolutely sure and I was right and she was great. 182 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: It's just I don't need to get into my own 183 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: personal problems. But I can tell you there are plenty 184 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 2: of other guys. And we've all been at weddings where 185 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 2: you're like six months right. We've all had jobs where 186 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 2: somebody gets hired, and like we've all seen players and 187 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: for Tua, like the right ighting was all there. Like 188 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: the Dolphins kept trying to convince us, especially their social 189 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 2: media team, No, he really does have a good arm. 190 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: No he really is healthy. No, the concussions really aren't 191 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: an issue. I mean, look, this is a really minor one. 192 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: But being left handed is hard. Being left handed is hard. 193 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: Go track it. So, first, he was the first left 194 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: handed quarterback since to throw a touchdown, right, was it? 195 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: Des Bryant was the last left handed throw for a 196 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: touchdown in the NFL, And it was like ten to 197 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: fifteen years previously. Mike Vick was the last left handed quarterback. 198 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 2: And he didn't lose his job because he's left handed. 199 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 2: He didn't lose his job just because of concussions. He 200 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 2: didn't lose his job just because he doesn't have a 201 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: great arm. He didn't just lose job just because he's immobile. 202 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: And he didn't lose his job because, man, he really 203 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: handled some postgame press conferences, some acceptance of blame someone. 204 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: It wasn't anyone that it's death by a thousand cuts. 205 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: All of these things don't help, and all of those 206 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: things probably should have been seen before he's drafted and 207 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: definitely should have been seen before they re up to 208 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: his contract. So the Dolphins are in quarterback purgatory. Now 209 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: they're gonna take a massive cap hit and Mike McDaniel's 210 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: future very much hangs in the balance as they wait 211 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: for a new GM to get a job. This is 212 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: the Doug out Leaves Show. You listen to Fox Sports Radio. 213 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: Have you heard about the Trainer Games? Add this to 214 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: your binge list. Ten athletes who go head to head 215 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: for a chance to win an I Fit trainer contract 216 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 2: worth two hundred and fifty grand, streaming on Prime Video 217 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: starting January eighth. Look, look, they could get tyreek hillback, 218 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: They could get to a back. My guess is light 219 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: a match start over? Light a match start out? How 220 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: many years do you have to be sitting there below 221 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 2: five hundred with a wider receiver who is constantly constantly 222 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: a problem plus now coming off an injury, or a 223 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: quarterback who you're worried about the next hit and even 224 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: when he plays, there's something missing there. The Dolphins new GM, 225 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: probably new coach. Light a match start over. 226 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 5: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 227 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 5: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on 228 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 5: Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio. 229 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: App s Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I'm gonna 230 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: prove something to you, improve something to him. I've been 231 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: doing this for twenty two years nationally, two thousand and three. 232 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: It's actually twenty three if you do the math, twenty 233 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 2: three years nationally. And I believe I'm the only guy 234 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 2: who has ever said that Roger Goodell is not a 235 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 2: good commissioner. He's a great one. And you're like, wait, 236 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: what anyway, Yeah, because he has found ways to every 237 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 2: year expand their TV their TV partnerships, which grows the 238 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: honeypot for everybody involved, owners and players. Everybody is making 239 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: more money. Include the TV partners do quite well. It 240 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: takes a lot. It's being a TV partner with the 241 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: NFL is a lot like living in California. The hardest 242 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: part is getting in. Buying in. The buy in is 243 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: a lot. But once you get in, we make a 244 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: lot of money doing it. But I can prove to 245 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: you beyond a reasonable doubt that he's the best commissioner. 246 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: Now doesn't hurt that it's the easiest and most bet 247 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: on sport, right, That's really what it's about fantasy football 248 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: is huge. Betting on football is huge, and with the 249 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: proliferation of legal sports, gambling, sports wagering, whatever, it makes 250 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: it way easier because Thursday this you know coming up 251 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: yet Saturdays, but Thursday, Sunday, Monday, that's it gives you 252 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: time space, chance to collect your thoughts, all those things. 253 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: But I watched the NBA Cup last night. Now keep 254 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: in mind, okay, we have a game today. We play 255 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: you see Santa Barbara coming up in three and a 256 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: half hours. So my day is always jam packed. Coffee 257 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: with the donor in the morning, sweet little old lady, 258 00:15:53,600 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: then practice, film meeting, then prep for this show show, 259 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: then meeting with the staff. We have two recruits on 260 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: campus watching films. So I walk into a restaurant with 261 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: my staff and with two players were recruiting, and I 262 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: look up and there's an NBA game on. I didn't 263 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: think anything of a set down, and they're like, this 264 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: is the Cup final on a Tuesday, okay, And I 265 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: just it was that moment when I started to think, 266 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: what are we doing here? It's in Las Vegas in December. 267 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: Jason Stewart can attest to this. The only people that 268 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: think Las Vegas in December is a great landing spot 269 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: for an event. Are people who are not West Coasters. 270 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: There's just no chance. There's no chance. Las Vegas, Nevada 271 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: is a great destination. It is a major league city. 272 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 2: It is it continues to continues to grow, it continues 273 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: to expand. It's getting a baseball team, they got a 274 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: hockey team, they got a football team. But you know, 275 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: it's literally like there's two months out of the year 276 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: when you don't go there, and this is one of them. 277 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: Nobody goes because it's cold, there's nothing special about it. 278 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: It's just smoke filled casinos and sad, sad nightclubs that 279 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: high rollers aren't going to. This is the reality to it. 280 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: There's a lot of ways in which they can win. 281 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 2: And by the way, the NBA Cup wants to make 282 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: it big, they should probably think about having their finals 283 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: on New Year's Day, right because right now they just 284 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: compete with college football, but be a great TV viewership day. 285 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 2: There's a way in which you could do it. But 286 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: it feels like to me, somebody from New York was like, Hey, 287 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: what about Vegas. Awesome Vegas does basketball. Vegas has got 288 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: new arenas. Vegas has got hotel rooms, it's got everything. 289 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: What are we doing December? Okay, yeah, it'll be nice there. 290 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: It's cold everywhere else. No, it's not on a Tuesday 291 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: in December. That's what they came up with. That's what 292 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 2: we're gonna have it in Las Vegas. At least the 293 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 2: Knicks get it. They celebrated, they had fun, Josh Hart 294 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 2: a little too much fun. But they're not raising a banner. 295 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: They're not doing a ticker tape raid. They're just taking us. Hey, 296 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 2: we want to tournament. That's pretty good. Let's welcome in. 297 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: A dear friend of mine, a dude who I have 298 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: on some former fashion worked in the same company as 299 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 2: for Buke, was there all ten years when I was. 300 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: We were at ESPN together, and I think he's been 301 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: at Fox most of the time I've been here as well. 302 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 2: Rick Buker. He co hosts Finding the Scenes, the podcast 303 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: of Brendan Haywood. You can find it whoever you find 304 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: your podcast cover the NBA forever, Plus he's our Fox 305 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 2: Sports Radio NBA insider, Buke, how big a marketing debacle 306 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: is the Cup? When you have it on a Tuesday 307 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 2: night in Vegas in December? 308 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 6: Well, considering who you had in it, the fact that 309 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 6: you had the Knicks and you had Victor wimbin Yama 310 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 6: and that was your platform. It's a pretty big debacles. 311 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 6: It's certainly a swing in a miss in terms of 312 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 6: what you could have done. But and I do believe 313 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 6: this is why the NBA has already talked about it 314 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 6: won't be in Vegas next year. They're I think they're 315 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 6: trying to determine exactly where they're going. 316 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 2: To have it. 317 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 6: But I think they realized going in and this is 318 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 6: always This has been funny for me listening to the 319 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 6: broadcast and listening to the players being asked, Hey, what 320 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 6: do you think about going to Vegas? And it's like, 321 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 6: you know what, for an NBA player going to Vegas, 322 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 6: particularly in the middle of the season, it ain't no deal. 323 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 6: And going to Vegas is not a big deal for 324 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 6: NBA players in general. They can they can run a 325 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 6: yacht in the South of France. It's not It's not 326 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 6: the same as maybe what we think of, you know, 327 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 6: the average American going to uh going to Vegas and 328 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 6: having a good time. And as you pointed out, this 329 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 6: really isn't the time of year to be in in 330 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 6: Las Vegas. So, uh, the is it is there? Is 331 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 6: it a market potentially for an NBA team, Absolutely, But 332 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 6: for this event and for if you really want to 333 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,239 Speaker 6: make this NBA Cup thing, uh, a real thing and 334 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 6: real valuable, I think you have to add some some 335 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 6: added value to it beyond the money and uh, and 336 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 6: and you have to have it in a location that 337 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 6: makes sense at this time of year. 338 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: Wenby unbelievable the first half. Yeah, just an unbelievable talent, 339 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: but a complete no show in the four quarter. How much? 340 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: How much is that a warning sign of maybe who 341 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: he is or where he is right now in his development? 342 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 6: Well, it's certainly where he is in his development. I 343 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 6: don't think it's a reflection of who he is. I 344 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 6: do think he has to figure out when the game 345 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 6: gets tough and the pace slows down, where is he 346 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 6: going to operate from? And Kenny gets strong enough in 347 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 6: his base and in his positioning to be able to 348 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 6: operate from a certain place on the floor. And some 349 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 6: of this is just a byproduct of the fact that 350 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 6: he's missed a stretch. And so you saw the difference. 351 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 6: I think to me, the big difference was one Jordan 352 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 6: Clarkson and Mitchell Robinson came in off the bench and 353 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 6: just gave the Knicks an energy boost at the beginning 354 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 6: of the fourth quarter that flipped the game. And then 355 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 6: you have a team that knows who their go to 356 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 6: guy is and how to operate off of that. The 357 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 6: go to guy bing Jalen Brunson, and so there was 358 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 6: just a familiarity and an understanding of how we're going 359 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 6: to play and what we need to do in the 360 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 6: fourth quarter for the nixt that the Spurs don't have 361 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 6: right now. With Victor Wembanyama, I would assume, you know, 362 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 6: at some point that's the guy that they are going 363 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 6: to play through in crunch time. But the fact that 364 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 6: they haven't had the ability to develop that synchronicity and 365 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 6: understanding at this point is not a surprise to me. 366 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 6: There is a question, like, I don't think it's a 367 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 6: foreground conclusion. I do believe that with his work, ethic 368 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 6: and his intelligence that he will find a way to 369 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 6: be that go to guy, and I have no question 370 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 6: that he has the temperament for it, but he still 371 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 6: needs to figure out how do I utilize what my 372 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 6: strengths are when the game is on the line and 373 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 6: not allow people to get into my lag and knock 374 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 6: me off balance and make me feel so uncomfortable. 375 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 7: That that I that I can't get a shot or make. 376 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 6: A play when the game is on the line. That's 377 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 6: That's what I'm seeing right now is is a guy 378 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 6: who's still trying to figure that out. 379 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: Uh as a basketball coach and a former basketball analyst 380 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 2: nailed it. He just he ain't strong enough. He just 381 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: he's so so long pause that he just the Hey, 382 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: low man wins. You know, it's ill wrestling and life analogy. 383 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: Low man wins, and and he's struggling when it becomes 384 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 2: a man's game, which is what happens in the playoffs 385 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: as well. Rick Buker joining US Fox Sports Radio NBA Insider, 386 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: I'm watching I've watched the Lakers a bunch, and Lebron 387 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: does look older. I mean, it's it's hit him this year. 388 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: He has moments, but then I see, uh, it was 389 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 2: the national anthem or or introductions, and he's he's doing 390 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 2: the golf club grip and he's like clearly thinking about golf. 391 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 2: Then he's got a day off and he's post it 392 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: looks like he was at riv playing golf, like, is 393 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: he actively retired? 394 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 6: Well, I got to tell you, from the beginning of 395 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 6: the year, just watching him as stoic as he was 396 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 6: at the end of the bench when he wasn't playing, 397 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 6: and how disengaged he was, it has felt like a 398 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 6: he's either disengaged or it's a silent protest that this 399 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 6: is not me any You know, this this team isn't 400 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 6: about me anymore. And you know, if you're a Lebron fan, 401 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 6: you're saying, hey, he's just he's trying not to steal 402 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 6: the spotlight, or he's he's acknowledging that he's moved over. 403 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 6: I think there are ways to do that. If you're still. 404 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 7: Committed to trying to win as much as. 405 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 6: Possible and support the new sheriff in town, sure there's 406 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 6: ways to do that. And I don't I don't see that. 407 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 6: What I'm really curious about is, and it was just 408 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 6: we saw that that Luca bought all everybody on the team, 409 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 6: that he bought him electric bikes, and I don't know 410 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 6: if he saw the clip online and I was like, okay, 411 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 6: I'm going to see, like, wait a minute, there's nothing 412 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 6: of Lebron. There's no Lebron in the picture when whenever 413 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 6: you're advertising anything involving the Lakers, you always try to 414 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 6: put Lebron in there somewhere for visibility. And I don't 415 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 6: know what, you know, I wasn't there, But I'm just 416 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 6: curious how far the disengagement goes. And I think it's problematic. 417 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 6: And I think we saw a little bit of that 418 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 6: conflict or that wrestling that Lebron has with the fact 419 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 6: and the Lakers, with the fact that he's no longer 420 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 6: the guy there, and it came down with the technical 421 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 6: free throw. He's not supposed to take that. And what 422 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 6: was most interesting was his response afterwards, why wouldn't I 423 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 6: take it? Well, because you're not the guy anymore? 424 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 7: And hey, Thros all. 425 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 2: That particularly well, outside of the fact you're not a 426 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: great free throw shooter. Lucas shot like fifteen and he's 427 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: the better player now outside of that, like honestly, probably 428 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 2: be the third guy to take it, probably the third 429 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 2: game like's taken before him. 430 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 6: But you know, the the other part was like, I 431 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 6: think it was a game, maybe it was Phoenix. I 432 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 6: think it was. I think it was Phoenix, But there 433 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 6: was a game recently where he was energized and defensively, 434 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 6: he was getting after it and it wasn't the whole game, 435 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 6: it was it was the second half. But I was 436 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 6: really impressed. And this is what I don't think we're 437 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 6: going to see, but what I would I would love 438 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 6: to see from Lebron, which is recognizing we got all 439 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 6: the offense we need. Luka, Doncic and Austin Reeves proved 440 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 6: that coming out of the gate. Uh and DeAndre Ayton 441 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 6: is playing much better than I think anybody expected him to. 442 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 6: Certainly me, you know where I can. I can I 443 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 6: can bring defense of energy because that's just what we need, 444 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 6: and I can still be a factor there and it 445 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 6: might be shorter minutes and it might not be the 446 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 6: same box score, but that's how I can positively affect 447 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 6: this game, affect this team. 448 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 7: If he were, if he were. 449 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 6: Approaching this this that way, I would be the first 450 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 6: to stand up and giving him give him a standing 451 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 6: ovation for having the humility to accept that role and understand, 452 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 6: you know what, I'm just here to win, and I'm 453 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 6: here to do whatever is necessary to support us winning. 454 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 6: And I unfortunately I don't. I have not seen that 455 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 6: for the for the most part, and I'm not counting 456 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 6: on seeing it, and and that's where it feels like 457 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 6: he's just he's having. 458 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 7: Somewhat of a tantrum or you. 459 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 6: Know, a silent protest that he's not the guy anymore. 460 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 6: So okay, guys, go ahead, Lukashow, let's let's see what 461 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 6: you got. I'm gonna work on my golf swing. 462 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: That is only topped by the ouster of Chris Paul 463 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 2: with the Clippers. I mean, we're talking about a first 464 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 2: ballot Hall of Fame point guard who comes back to 465 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: the Clippers where he was mister lob City and not 466 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 2: only does he not make it to Christmas, they cut 467 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: him in the middle of the night on the road. 468 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: And now more and more details are coming out. All right, 469 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 2: so what happened? What really happened? 470 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 6: Well, I don't know that we've got all of the 471 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 6: details quite yet, because clearly Lawrence Frank got to a 472 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 6: point where it was like, okay, that's enough, we're done. 473 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 6: And I don't know what that last straw was. I 474 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 6: haven't I haven't found that out yet. But there was 475 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 6: the last straw, and it was you know, while while 476 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 6: no one was paying attention to it, it was. 477 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 7: Building for a while and I know from Chris Paul's history. 478 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 6: I mean, if you just look at all the teams 479 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 6: he's been with over the last couple of years. Once 480 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 6: you're not the same player, then how you treat people, 481 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 6: how you carry yourself, how you think of yourself within 482 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 6: the organization, you gotta be careful because if you're rubbing 483 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 6: people the wrong way, and your contract ain't that big, 484 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 6: the financial commitment ain't that big, and your role or 485 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 6: your contribution to the team is not that big, at 486 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 6: some point it becomes, you know what, we would love 487 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 6: for this to be a fairy tale ending, but we're 488 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 6: just sick of you. So we're going to make a move. 489 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 6: And so the biggest, the only the question for me 490 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 6: is not that they made this move, or even that 491 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 6: they made this move when they did. It's that it 492 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 6: feels like it was an emotional decision in the moment, 493 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 6: And I don't know what in fired that emotional moment yet, 494 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 6: but I will continue to work at it and see 495 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 6: if I can find out. 496 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: Buke, thanks for joining us. We gotta we got to 497 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: keep this thing going. This is awesome finding the Seams, 498 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: by the way, just you know, I love talk of 499 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: the Seams. People understand that that's the the rubber part 500 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: of leather basketball is the seams, all right. Brendan Haywood 501 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: obviously can tell you that. Just so you know, I 502 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: was like one of I feel like five view on 503 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: Earth that could make any pass and deliver it on 504 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: the seams. So I I have, I have all ball, 505 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 2: but I wanted to call it on the seams. That's 506 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 2: what I wanted to call it. 507 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 6: So that is quietly one of the gifts or the 508 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 6: skills that goes completely unappreciated except. 509 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 7: For shooters to know that they're going to get that 510 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 7: ball in. 511 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 6: The pocket and it's going to be lined up, and 512 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 6: it gives them that that extra point whatever seconds to 513 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 6: knock down a. 514 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 7: Shot and has great effect on the percentage. 515 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: So I'm with you. Tell Tell Brandon, and I said, Hi, 516 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. 517 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 5: You gotta be sure to catch the live edition of 518 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 5: The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific. 519 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. 520 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: Have you heard about trainer games? This is add this 521 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: to your binge list. Ten athletes you go ahead to 522 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: head for a chance to win an I Fit trainer contract. 523 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,479 Speaker 2: We're two hundred fifty grand streaming on Prime Video starting 524 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: January eighth. Let's get ties at Glowing Crown and play 525 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: a game. 526 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 5: This is Game Tide on the Doug Gottlieb Show. 527 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 8: I love what you got, but thank you, Doug, and 528 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 8: you know, friend Sesame Street helped raise all of us. 529 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 8: Now it's our turn donate this holiday season at sesame 530 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 8: dot org. Because the world needs Sesame and Sesame needs you. 531 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 3: We need a game, lady, Game for better or Worse? 532 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 8: All right, Big NFC West and NFC showdown tomorrow night, Doug, 533 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 8: who do you got for better or worse? The Rams 534 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 8: or the Seahawks. 535 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 2: A lot of emotion in this game for me because 536 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 2: I have been I'm like the I feel like I'm 537 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 2: the last of the Sam Donald Champions. And yeah, I'll 538 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 2: give cal Hurt a little bit of credit. Seahawks, they're 539 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: at home. This is the game Donald announces his presence 540 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 2: with authority. Mostly they're at home. Seahawks better than the 541 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 2: Rams tomorrow. 542 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:36,479 Speaker 3: All right? 543 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 8: So that was better or worse. I'm gonna call this 544 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 8: for worse or a little worse to a tongue of 545 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 8: Iloa or Deshaun Watson. 546 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 2: To a tongue of Blaamber just a better person. And 547 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 2: the way in which he handled his benching yea was 548 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 2: with class. Hey look something, it just comes down to performance. 549 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 2: I'm performed. 550 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 3: Wasn't there There was a report that Deshaun Watson was 551 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 3: almost gonna be on the Dolphins right right. He was 552 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 3: in the mix with the Falcons, the Dolphins and the Browns. 553 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 3: So looking back, should the Dolphins have just gone full 554 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 3: to Shawn Mote? 555 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 2: No, no, no. 556 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 8: Actually I'll throw another wrinkle into this for better or 557 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 8: worse to a tongue of Iloa or Kyler Murray, good one. 558 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, guys who both sit on the curb in their legs, dangle. 559 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: Man, we represent a short You know the problem the NFL, 560 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: They just don't measure up to the other quarterbacks. 561 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,959 Speaker 3: Literally diego. 562 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: Pobby is like, hey, hey, down here, pick out some 563 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 2: of your own size. Anyway, again, I'm gonna go. I'm 564 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 2: to go to a I just again, I don't think too. 565 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 2: I think Calimbur is better as more talent, he runs better, 566 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 2: whatever throws that he's smaller. But pause, But I just 567 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 2: think to it seems like a really decent human. 568 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 8: Being on too, Uh, to his former team and the 569 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 8: college football Playoffs for better or worse, Alabama. 570 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: Or Alabama hold on chase to oh No. 571 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 2: I still think the coolest thing of the most interesting 572 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 2: thing I've learned about college football this year is that 573 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 2: John Mellencamp has his own box above everything else at 574 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 2: IU so he can smoke SIGs and watch his watch. 575 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 8: His Yeah, I thought it was like a booth in 576 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 8: the press box, but it's literally like a separate shack. 577 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 3: It's like you can smoke a camera shit, right, It's 578 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 3: like for the guys, you get the birds. 579 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 2: It's like you know what it basically is, It's like 580 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 2: that the smoking lounge at the airport, like the sat 581 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 2: place on Earth now only at an Indiana football game, 582 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 2: which used to be the saddest place on Earth. 583 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 3: I learned yesterday in some report that the pouch, the 584 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 3: pouch has overtaken vaping, that overtook cigarettes. I wonder if 585 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 3: anyone's introduced Mellencamp to pouches and they can let them 586 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 3: inside the building. 587 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 2: Zinsway, then there's there's all those other ones. The guys 588 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 2: that are zinners are zinners, and they just go through them, 589 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 2: They just go through they're. 590 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 8: Constantly assembly line kind of deal. 591 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 3: All right, final grandfather for I have zend. 592 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 8: Oh that was actually very clever. I must ad been. 593 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 8: All right, this is the most controversial of all, controversial 594 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 8: of all For better or worse, gingerbread or pumpkin flavored cookies. 595 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 2: Not controversial, I don't. I think pumpkin flavor beats gingerbread. 596 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 2: The only thing cool about gingerbread is decorating them my 597 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 2: gingerbread house gingerbread cookies. 598 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 8: I really don't see how either of those would be 599 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 8: better than chocolate chip cookies. 600 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 3: Well, ah, yeah, this is a duality here, it's one 601 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:08,479 Speaker 3: of two. 602 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 2: Now. 603 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 3: I wanted to talk about this just because I wanted 604 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 3: to give a plug for Trader Joe's and their gingerbread cookies. 605 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 8: Ah, I see, is this part of your Is this 606 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 8: part of an ni l deal over there and your 607 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 8: love that. 608 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 2: We don't have Trader Joe's in Wisconsin? We need to change. 609 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 8: I means you take your annual questionnaire online. 610 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 3: My man, All right, there. 611 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 2: Is in the valley right by right by your studio, 612 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 2: there's a new Trader Joe's right across the street from 613 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 2: an old Trader Joe's. 614 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 8: The parking lots though you know what I mean. There 615 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,280 Speaker 8: a nightmare, it's worth It's get real and the Trader 616 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 8: Joe's parking lot, and it got real. On this edition 617 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 8: of For Better or Worse. 618 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 2: We'll get to the midway. Plus we'll find out who 619 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 2: showers less Whole Foods workers or Trader Joe's workers. This 620 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:55,919 Speaker 2: is Doug Gottlieb Show.