WEBVTT - Living With Endometriosis (w/ Sarah Michal Hamid)

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. You are tuned into

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<v Speaker 1>tuning in and welcome Vitamin D. It's upon of my name.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Dawn and you get Vitamin D from

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<v Speaker 1>then you're going to have to be able to see better.

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<v Speaker 1>So join me on this journey of living our best

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<v Speaker 1>lives and understanding and realizing how you are your greatest

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<v Speaker 1>ass act. Let me tell you something, going after your

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<v Speaker 1>dreams isn't easy. They say dreams don't work unless you

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<v Speaker 1>do so what you're doing? Mm hmm. Have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>heard the quote that, um, it's not about the size

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<v Speaker 1>of the dog in the fight, it's about the as

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<v Speaker 1>of the fight and the dog. Well, I gotta ask

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<v Speaker 1>you something. How big is your fighting your dog? M hm?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we have these dreams and aspirations and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the things that we want, uh, But sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder how bad do we really want it? Because

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<v Speaker 1>oftentimes we come into a situation we make these things

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<v Speaker 1>called excuses as to why we couldn't do something while

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<v Speaker 1>we can't show up, why aren't we there on time?

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<v Speaker 1>Not wanting to be uncomfortable? But then I gotta ask you,

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<v Speaker 1>how big is your fighting your dog? Now? Usually we

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<v Speaker 1>look at the size of the dog of as far

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<v Speaker 1>as people have access, uh, people who have notoriety, people

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<v Speaker 1>who have a social media following, people that come with

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<v Speaker 1>a wholesome family, some people that may not have any

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<v Speaker 1>mental disorders or physical disabilities, but they ain't got nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the fighting the dog. Let me just

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, even with myself, you can't allow people to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you know, when I first applied to Howard, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get accepted. Now easily that could affect in my ego,

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<v Speaker 1>right and me showing up in my ego the biggest dog, like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I didn't get in. And I had

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<v Speaker 1>to say, wait a minute, Dawn, this ain't about whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not you're smart enough. Because you're an honor roll

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're honor student, you're active on campus, you are

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<v Speaker 1>president of student council. This had to come with the

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<v Speaker 1>moment of how bad are you willing to fight? And see,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when you got a mother lying in Janice Hill. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>she gonna remind you that there is nothing that you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot do. She's gonna fuel she has she still does

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<v Speaker 1>fuel the fight in my dog. So down, what did

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<v Speaker 1>you do? Oh well, let me tell you what I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote Howard. Now I did say president. I was

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<v Speaker 1>at the secretary student council in high school. That's neither

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<v Speaker 1>here nor there. I wrote Howard and told them my

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<v Speaker 1>qualifications because perhaps it's just the fact that I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>test well, huh. But my fight persuaded me, gave me

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<v Speaker 1>the ammunition to rebuke their verdict. And guess what, the

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<v Speaker 1>verdict was changed. Not only did I graduate from Howard,

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<v Speaker 1>I graduated with honors and I hosted my graduation. So

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<v Speaker 1>don't sit here and tell me what you cannot do,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not about the size of the dog in

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<v Speaker 1>the fight. It's about the size of the fight and

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<v Speaker 1>the dog. Let's go right with me and get excited

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<v Speaker 1>about Hello. Let me tell you I got somebody's special

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<v Speaker 1>in the studio with me. Now, I was asking Jeremiah,

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<v Speaker 1>I should know this is it Michael or McCall, you're

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<v Speaker 1>super super close. It's me Hall. It's like a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>cuse yes, yes. So it's complicated. But my mom's Jewish,

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<v Speaker 1>she's Ashkenazi, so she's like Eastern European basically, but like

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<v Speaker 1>they have very unique like culture from like Russians and

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<v Speaker 1>Ukrainians and stuff. And then my dad was born in Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're from two different ethnic groups, both of which

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<v Speaker 1>are like indigenous groups basically, So I'm Punjabi and Kashmidi,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'm from like two patrilineal tribes. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>very confusing. So, like we understand ancestry to descend from

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<v Speaker 1>the father, so patrilineal means it comes from your father's side.

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<v Speaker 1>But then on my mom's side, everything is matrilineal, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's with the mother. So it's very interesting. So you say, start,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you mean by that, Like like you know

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<v Speaker 1>those stories like in the Bible, like Sarah, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how she was like the mother of nations, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the matriarch of the family. Also, you're the way

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<v Speaker 1>you grew up. Christianity is not something that that's so interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so interesting that you say that because I had

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<v Speaker 1>first I had never been in a church until I

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<v Speaker 1>was like eighteen years old, like an actual religious church.

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<v Speaker 1>I had been to like old churches or like food

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<v Speaker 1>donations stuff like that, but I had never been to

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<v Speaker 1>a church service. And I think that once I went,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone was doing all these different things that it was

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<v Speaker 1>foreign to me. So it felt like the first time

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<v Speaker 1>I was learning so much about Christianity. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>that when people put their hands up it's like to God.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know that. How was I supposed to know? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>How would I know? When I was in Kenya, I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking to the Homeida. I should know his name

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<v Speaker 1>right out of my phone, is right, it don't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>I was asking him. I was like, you know, what's

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<v Speaker 1>what's your background like with faith or religion? He was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, you know, something of God and Jesus. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, how do you How does your people know

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<v Speaker 1>about Jesus, like just geographically speaking, and how the messages

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<v Speaker 1>like oh, you mean my grandfather's religion, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that um And basically grandfather, grandmother, but just before there

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<v Speaker 1>was a thing of Christianity, So you had never heard

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<v Speaker 1>of God or Jesus. Well, I mean, obviously I knew

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<v Speaker 1>what God and Jesus was, but like, okay, so like

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus is the son of God, but then Jesus died

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone's sins and then Jesus is God but also

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<v Speaker 1>the son and marries a virgin, like and I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>birth worker, so I'm like, that's how you make a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Like something was up in her like come on? How else?

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<v Speaker 1>Was like like what? What? Really? Do we really like,

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<v Speaker 1>come on with all the sperm that was in the

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<v Speaker 1>world and really like, let's think about that rack sleep

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<v Speaker 1>because we want to Wow, you're ready for a real conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>And here, oh yeah, you know. I think it's important

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<v Speaker 1>because I was just talking to a home girl of

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<v Speaker 1>mine and she was telling me her daughter is twelve

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<v Speaker 1>years old and thinks that a baby comes from a swan.

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<v Speaker 1>She probably mean a steward, she said swan, And I

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<v Speaker 1>said really, And I didn't mean to judge, but I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I don't know about in your background, but

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say African American communities. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if we talk about sex enough and talking about where

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<v Speaker 1>children come from and your genitalia in general, of what

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<v Speaker 1>it even looks like. It's don't say anything. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've had an individual, Kiana, she was on the show

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<v Speaker 1>and she was just talking talking about how she had

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<v Speaker 1>been involved in um sex trafficking, how she had been raped,

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<v Speaker 1>she had been molested, and that whole hush hush, And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, we need to be more open with this dialogue,

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<v Speaker 1>in this conversation and not acting like some fairy dust

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<v Speaker 1>just came out of nowhere. And I think it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to because people I want to do what's best for

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<v Speaker 1>their kids, and they think that keeping information on them

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<v Speaker 1>is protecting them in some way. But ultimately what that

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<v Speaker 1>does is it drives people to the Internet, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like you so you don't want your kid to know

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<v Speaker 1>about how they became a person, which one I think

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<v Speaker 1>is a problem because I think it's normal to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about how we enter the world. That's something that is

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<v Speaker 1>common to every human. You know, we were made like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not an uncommon experience. But to then have that

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<v Speaker 1>and then kids going to the Internet, it's just they're

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<v Speaker 1>primed for exploitation and for misinformation about their own bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's really weird. It's really weird. I love

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<v Speaker 1>how you described yourself. You said, I'm a birthworker. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>does that mean? Okay, so a birthworker is someone that

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<v Speaker 1>works in birth or with birth. I think of it

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<v Speaker 1>so like yourself. You know, you're creative. You have this

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<v Speaker 1>calling in some way that keeps you going despite how

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<v Speaker 1>difficult it is. You know how frustrating it can be

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<v Speaker 1>to navigate the field or you know, partnerships or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>just the same way that I get tired of standing up,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I am often up for long hours

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<v Speaker 1>at late hours, almost always covered in baby vomit of

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<v Speaker 1>some sorts. But we have this calling, you know. For me,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it definitely was something that came from

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<v Speaker 1>my ancestors, and for that I was just like, whoa,

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening? Like it was the first time I had

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<v Speaker 1>felt that kind of reconnection to ancestry, which was gray.

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<v Speaker 1>But once I realized that, I was like, Okay, basically,

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<v Speaker 1>this means for me that I'm going to have my

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<v Speaker 1>hands and arms wrapped around like families and mothers and

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<v Speaker 1>birthing people for probably like the rest of my life,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, And and it just came to you

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<v Speaker 1>one day to be like I'm going to be dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with yeah, So it didn't just come to me one day.

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<v Speaker 1>So throughout my life, I've always appreciated kids because they

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<v Speaker 1>don't know boundaries really that well. So everything that they're

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<v Speaker 1>learning is typically for the first time or the first

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<v Speaker 1>few times. And so with a baby, you see that rapidly,

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<v Speaker 1>Like babies developed so quickly, you know, they learned how

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<v Speaker 1>to move, walk, talk, like within six months, Like what

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<v Speaker 1>do we do in six months? Like we're in our

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<v Speaker 1>adult lives, and what do we do in six months?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I could not tell you what I did this

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<v Speaker 1>last six months, but you can see the observations in

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<v Speaker 1>a new human And so I've always loved kids. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I was working at this government commission in Hawaii

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<v Speaker 1>about women, and we were working on this feminists like

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<v Speaker 1>recovery plan for COVID because all of a COVID like

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<v Speaker 1>funding was like police, you know, sending it out to

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<v Speaker 1>like places that did not need money. You know, the

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<v Speaker 1>police don't need more money or anything, but that's that,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that. But um, we were basically advocating for money

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<v Speaker 1>to be put into like community Healthcare Midwiffree Services, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's where I met my mentor, um Tanya Smith Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>She's the current president of the National College of Midwiffrey.

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<v Speaker 1>She's the first black president of the National College of Midwiffrey.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's always she's always rooting me on, and I

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<v Speaker 1>always like to give her shout outs because if I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't meet her, I think it would have been really

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<v Speaker 1>really hard for me to figure out like what to do,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not easy, you know, like what happens when

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<v Speaker 1>you make wake up one day and you're like, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to be a midway, Like what do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you go? You look towards like schools and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and the schools that we have here are not the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Necessarily we have like two three midwid free programs just

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<v Speaker 1>in California, two and three. It's like like this is

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<v Speaker 1>a whole new world in my brain, like, of course

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<v Speaker 1>this is something or a position or a field of

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<v Speaker 1>career that is definitely a needed valued But I never

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<v Speaker 1>thought to think like what this person does, like how

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<v Speaker 1>important they are in the process. And so just hearing

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about like how you kind of dived in

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<v Speaker 1>there was interesting and then as I was looking at

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<v Speaker 1>you further, it's interesting that you did choose this career

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<v Speaker 1>path and you yourself have challenges with your how do

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<v Speaker 1>we um with endometriosis? And that was another big thing

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<v Speaker 1>was my experience like basically being forced to navigate the O.

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<v Speaker 1>B G. I. N's office since I was is thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old? What's going on a third day? For some

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<v Speaker 1>of them may don't know what's endometriosis? So, yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>endometriosis is a disease that basically happens when the uterine

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<v Speaker 1>lining doesn't fully well. It sheds, but it makes adhesions

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<v Speaker 1>on other parts of the pelvic area. But it can

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<v Speaker 1>also be found like in your brain. So it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like the worst thing ever. Yeah, but so it's

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<v Speaker 1>like attaching skin. Yeah, So it makes adhesions, It layers

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<v Speaker 1>these cells that over time caused these kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>exactly like fibrous almost at times, but ultimately like binding materials.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had to have a surgery called excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>bilateral laparoscopic Ablatian surgery for endometriosis. And they basically just

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<v Speaker 1>put a camera in your belly button and then in

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<v Speaker 1>other parts of your stomach. They fill it with gas

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<v Speaker 1>and they like burn and kind of cauterize out the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, diseased parts. And I had like adhesions basically

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<v Speaker 1>like fusing part of the back of my uterus to

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<v Speaker 1>my bladder. It's just like, how did you find out

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<v Speaker 1>about this? Okay, so at Thursday. So this surgery happened

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<v Speaker 1>when I was eighteen, But fast forward. I've always struggled

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<v Speaker 1>with my menstrual cycle. It was something that the first

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<v Speaker 1>time I got it, I was so shocked because I

0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:34.880
<v Speaker 1>genuinely was surprised that I was just losing that much blood.

0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I was I had just turned twelve, I remember, and

0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.400
<v Speaker 1>I remember like I was walking home from school and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, uh uh, something's not right. Like I

0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:46.280
<v Speaker 1>could just feel and I was like, oh my gosh,

0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm bleeding. I was like, this is my period. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was a lot. And that first year that I

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<v Speaker 1>had my menstrual cycle, it was just like I would

0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.840
<v Speaker 1>bleed and bleed and bleed, like it was like it

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<v Speaker 1>was NonStop, and it was very be painful, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>was like so much pain that I like I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do the things I wanted to do. When

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<v Speaker 1>I was their teens, like, you know, that's typically not

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<v Speaker 1>something necessarily that thirteen year old struggle with. So I

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<v Speaker 1>felt isolated too because I was like growing up in

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<v Speaker 1>also like a South Asian household. Like you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>way menstruation is treated is very like interesting. Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't say bad or wrong, but you know, there's this

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<v Speaker 1>assumption that like you really shouldn't do much when you're menstruating, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like you should really rest, which I actually like find

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<v Speaker 1>value in. But that also kind of comes from the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that you could potentially be like contagious and leave

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<v Speaker 1>her alone and buy her even to today. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've heard I don't know what culture is in

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<v Speaker 1>my brain. I could be messed up. Uh, Like I

0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.800
<v Speaker 1>imagine I've seen something read something where there in the

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<v Speaker 1>tent and nobody can go in there, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if there's Washington, but I just imagine very disgusting

0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's really weird because I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>it has to be negative, but I definitely think that

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<v Speaker 1>the way that like a lot of our communities engage

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<v Speaker 1>with it is stigmatizing. You know, it's just sad because

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<v Speaker 1>like life comes from this passage exactly and it's the

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a uniting experience, you know, like we we'll

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<v Speaker 1>all have it, you know, we can we can know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean some people don't, but there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people you can rely on. Despite this, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>still was like, Okay, I'm so young. I was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first of my friends to have my period.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was just very strange. And I didn't end

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<v Speaker 1>up going to see my pediatrician until I was like thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>about like a year after I had initially gone in

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<v Speaker 1>my menstrual cycle. And he's like this very sweet, like

0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Filipino doctor. He's been my family doctor forever. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad's with me in the room, like it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm thirteen, man, like, what are you gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do with me? And he's like, oh, yeah, take um aspirin. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So you are you closer to your dad and your mom? No,

0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm closer to both of them equally. I love them both. There,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's such they're such good parents. No, I

0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.880
<v Speaker 1>do love them. I think it's interesting because my parents

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<v Speaker 1>are older, so seeing them progress has always happened in

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<v Speaker 1>a different way than I saw my friend's parents. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>how my mom was forty. Okay. She was like, I'm not.

0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing the whole young thing with these kids.

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<v Speaker 1>You you were her first, she had more. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's hope. Okay, I'm not I'm not forty yet, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm okay. So this is this is another thing we

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<v Speaker 1>can talk about. Oh my god, the myths around geriatric pregnancy. Okay,

0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.040
<v Speaker 1>wait because hold on wait okay, so okay, okay, go ahead. Wait,

0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:07.080
<v Speaker 1>let's because then we got to go into okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>I went to He eventually was like okay, yeah, there're

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<v Speaker 1>he We told him. You know, I've been taking ibprof

0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:19.520
<v Speaker 1>and I've been taking ivent, taking aspirin. It's not helping me.

0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:25.440
<v Speaker 1>And it's like one they weren't helping me. Like they're

0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:30.400
<v Speaker 1>called nd sades non steroid anti inflammatory drugs. They basically

0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.080
<v Speaker 1>just try and reduce the body's response to inflammation, right,

0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.239
<v Speaker 1>But if you're just treating the body for inflammation over

0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.600
<v Speaker 1>and over again, not adjusting the root cause it. Yeah,

0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's also really bad for your stomach. There's all

0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.840
<v Speaker 1>sorts of issues with like continuous like over the counter

0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:49.960
<v Speaker 1>pain medication, you know, consumption stuff. But I get sent

0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.800
<v Speaker 1>to this O b G I N. And you know coincidence,

0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:55.879
<v Speaker 1>it's my mom's O B G I N. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're all I'm I'm thirteen, we're all in a family,

0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:03.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, healthcare plan. My dad's with me, and you know,

0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.439
<v Speaker 1>she says to me, like, you know, most teen girls

0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.359
<v Speaker 1>just have irregular periods, and all that we do is

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<v Speaker 1>just recommend that you go on birth control. So basically,

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<v Speaker 1>from age thirteen, I started taking hormonal birth control and

0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:23.120
<v Speaker 1>it like regulates your cycle basically, so it is essentially

0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:29.480
<v Speaker 1>your ovaries and your uterus that usually communicate with your

0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.560
<v Speaker 1>brain are being kind of controlled by like a synthetic

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<v Speaker 1>hormone um. And it's not like I'm not I'm not

0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.920
<v Speaker 1>a birth control hater, you know what I mean. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just this is my experience, and it isn't something we

0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:47.600
<v Speaker 1>should probably readily over prescribe teenage girls, especially teenage girls

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<v Speaker 1>who are in the clinical environment for reproductive health issues already,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, Like it was looking back

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<v Speaker 1>on it now as someone that is one day going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a provider, like I think about that situation critically,

0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:04.600
<v Speaker 1>so that basically the harm is that it's thrown off

0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:06.360
<v Speaker 1>the body, Like, what are some of the negative side

0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:10.240
<v Speaker 1>effects of like the hormonal control. Well, one, it didn't

0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.240
<v Speaker 1>actually address my symptoms, so I was still experiencing painful

0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.080
<v Speaker 1>menstrual cycles, and they didn't really provide me any relief

0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:20.120
<v Speaker 1>other than they gave me like an increase like a milligram,

0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:23.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, like advill or something like that, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like cool, I could just take two of these from CBS,

0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:31.160
<v Speaker 1>like really like what's going on here? But it did

0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:36.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of tied me over until I started experiencing my

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<v Speaker 1>endometrio systptoms really badly, which is when I started college,

0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:45.600
<v Speaker 1>and I was like passing out, Like I was in

0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:48.920
<v Speaker 1>so much pain. I would black out, like or sitting

0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:52.119
<v Speaker 1>in class and fallout. Yeah, and so that's actually what happened.

0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:57.760
<v Speaker 1>So once this situation happened, my roommate was there, you know,

0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.960
<v Speaker 1>ended up going to the emergency room and m m

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<v Speaker 1>m yeah. And unfortunately, you know, there's so much that

0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:10.800
<v Speaker 1>needs to change. There's so much that needs to change.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about So when you're admitted to like an e ER, right,

0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.119
<v Speaker 1>they are immediately trying to perform as many tests as

0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:25.000
<v Speaker 1>they can to figure out, Okay, what is this story

0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.520
<v Speaker 1>we have the symptoms, right, the patients here, you know,

0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:31.240
<v Speaker 1>reporting these symptoms, but we don't know the cause. So

0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:33.920
<v Speaker 1>they're going to use tests and things. They're going to

0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:37.080
<v Speaker 1>run exams, and they're going to use their education and

0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:41.240
<v Speaker 1>their expertise to make a conclusion. But the conclusions that

0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:46.480
<v Speaker 1>doctors often make are not disentangled from systems of power.

0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.560
<v Speaker 1>So the decisions doctors make, you know, about certain things,

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<v Speaker 1>it's impacted by racism, it's impacted by sexism because we

0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:58.040
<v Speaker 1>live in a racist and sexist country, you know, So

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<v Speaker 1>how is it that and we have all this research

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<v Speaker 1>proving you know, that there is different outcomes health outcomes

0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.199
<v Speaker 1>from people of color during COVID even why is it

0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.200
<v Speaker 1>that people of color were dying of COVID more, you know,

0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:16.000
<v Speaker 1>the white people when we're all in the same country,

0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:19.000
<v Speaker 1>and a lot was just even people that experience I

0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:22.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know what the term is, but difficult pregnancies and

0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:28.480
<v Speaker 1>women of color dying more exactly. So it shows It

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<v Speaker 1>showed me that moment that wow, things really need to change.

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<v Speaker 1>So you feel like a minority when you step through,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody is thinking like you might be. I mean, they

0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:44.000
<v Speaker 1>maybe have questions. They have questions because I don't, you know,

0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:45.760
<v Speaker 1>I can check in Asian box and then they look

0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:49.399
<v Speaker 1>at me and they're like, and I'm like, I know,

0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:56.119
<v Speaker 1>but it's not my choice. There's no Southwest Asian category

0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.679
<v Speaker 1>that I can choose. So take what you take, you

0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:03.320
<v Speaker 1>know what saying? Um, When I go into the e R,

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the questions they will immediately ask are, especially with reproductive healthcare,

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:11.959
<v Speaker 1>are about your sexual activity. So I was seventeen, I

0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.400
<v Speaker 1>was in college. I was a person having sex right

0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:21.080
<v Speaker 1>and because of that, they immediately thought, well, you probably

0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:24.120
<v Speaker 1>have honorrhea or chlamydia. You have an STI and that's

0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:28.840
<v Speaker 1>why you're in pain. Because I was experiencing extreme pelvic cramping,

0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:38.600
<v Speaker 1>like extreme pelvic pain, and you know, I'm thinking to myself,

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:44.399
<v Speaker 1>you're not really a hell like that side side. Like

0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I seventeen years old. I was not as

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.160
<v Speaker 1>conscious and aware of like taking care of your sexual

0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 1>health as I am now. But it wasn't like that.

0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:59.199
<v Speaker 1>Like I was getting tested. There was no way I

0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:02.320
<v Speaker 1>had an STI. And you know, they took a sample,

0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.960
<v Speaker 1>but they said, this is really really bad. If an

0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 1>STI develops into something called pelvic inflammatory disease and it

0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:15.200
<v Speaker 1>can cause infertility. It's so dangerous, traumatic, traumatized. So they're

0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 1>telling me all these things and they're like, the thing

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:20.239
<v Speaker 1>that's going to help you is an antibiotic shot in

0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 1>your butt. So I get this antibiotic shot on my

0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.240
<v Speaker 1>butt and I pick up my antibiotics and they send

0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.359
<v Speaker 1>me home with the referral to an O B G

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I N and UM. I end up having to go

0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:39.720
<v Speaker 1>in early because I'm experiencing so much pain. And basically

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:42.479
<v Speaker 1>I go to this O B G I N and

0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:45.280
<v Speaker 1>I can just tell she's like overworked. You know, you

0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:50.800
<v Speaker 1>can see when people are just like to sneeze, thank you,

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:55.400
<v Speaker 1>there you go. So you can just tell when you're

0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 1>in a medical environment and someone like doesn't see you

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:00.320
<v Speaker 1>as a person, you know what I mean, Like they're

0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.360
<v Speaker 1>just looking at you like, Okay, I need to get

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:05.719
<v Speaker 1>this information, give it to me now, please, you know.

0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:10.000
<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't feel great, especially when you're in a

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:14.440
<v Speaker 1>stressful situation. It makes you feel kind of like uncared for,

0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:16.840
<v Speaker 1>which is not what health care is supposed to be.

0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Health care care, you know, we're supposed to want to

0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>help promote happiness, health and healing. And yeah, that's that's

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.159
<v Speaker 1>why I that's why I mean, I want to I

0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:32.800
<v Speaker 1>want to see people thriving and happy and healthy. So

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:38.159
<v Speaker 1>she mentions to me that my um my tep my

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, test for granerie and clamydia came back negative.

0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, how are you just going to brush

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:48.880
<v Speaker 1>that off? Like you told me that the cause of

0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:54.400
<v Speaker 1>my pain was this illness and infection that I don't have,

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 1>and now I've taken antibiotics for it, potentially causing harm

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 1>to my body. Because when you take too many antibiotics

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:05.399
<v Speaker 1>for things that aren't treating, it throws off your balance

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:08.440
<v Speaker 1>and your gut. But also it can cause your body

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:12.120
<v Speaker 1>to resist the antibiotics. It's called antibiotic resistance, and it's

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:17.639
<v Speaker 1>growing more and more common because antibiotics are overprescribed, you know,

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:21.440
<v Speaker 1>like any time you have an infection, or in my case,

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have an infection, and I was still prescribed

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 1>them and given them, you know. So she tells me

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 1>that her pain management strategy for me is going to

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 1>be medication, and so, m hmm, how are we figuring

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:39.640
<v Speaker 1>out the story here? We're just throwing stuff on top

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:42.160
<v Speaker 1>because we got to figure out why are you in pain?

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the why is the pain existing? Right?

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:48.360
<v Speaker 1>And mind you, at this time, I'm seventeen and at

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:52.359
<v Speaker 1>this point I've had at least maybe six or seven

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 1>pop smears. I'm not supposed to have one of those

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty one. You know, you don't want to open the

0:26:56.920 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>cervix up to too much contamination, because that's how you

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 1>get infections is by constantly examining an internal body part.

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'd had, you know, all the panels done,

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.359
<v Speaker 1>all the things, and so she says, you know, my

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 1>pain management strategy for you as medication, So she sends

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:19.120
<v Speaker 1>me this prescription. I go to pick it up, and

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>I was unable to because she prescribed me, uh oxyconton yeah,

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.879
<v Speaker 1>which is you know, like a like a pain killer,

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.639
<v Speaker 1>like a super yeah, a class three narcotic. And I

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.200
<v Speaker 1>wasn't eighteen at the time, so I couldn't even pick

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 1>up that quantity because it would have been a federal crime.

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 1>And that just goes where is that the health care part?

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know, it's it's deeply concerning, but

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 1>when you look at the history of this field in

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>the United States, it makes sense. So for me, I'm

0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 1>always trying to think about how we and divert you

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 1>know how we can really shift our capacity and energy

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 1>away from this, you know, right right? And I think

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 1>you should in light having conversations like this. Absolutely, she says, Okay,

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:14.880
<v Speaker 1>you're negative. Then you're like, okay, so what's up. So

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 1>I had another kind of episode where I ended up

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.639
<v Speaker 1>like basically blacking out in pain and an advising meeting,

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 1>which is not cute your first semester of college, you

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. Luckily, this is like the story

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 1>of like my experiences is like caring people supporting me.

0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 1>You know. My advisor let me know that her wife

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 1>actually had endometriosis, this thing called endometriosis, and they couldn't

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>figure out what it was for years. She went to

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 1>all these different doctors and um, she kind of gave

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>me her phone number and information and said, you know,

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 1>if you want to call her, if you want to talk,

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Like here you go. I immediately left that meeting. I

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 1>called and scheduled an appointment, and I had an appoint

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 1>within like a week and a half. And when I

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 1>got to that appointment, like I just knew that, like

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 1>I felt something was going to change. The nurse that

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 1>did my vitals was like really respectful of me. And

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 1>when I ended up going into the exam room my doctor,

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 1>she did like a full pelvic exam, so you take

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 1>like a it's called a transaginal pelviic exam, goes through

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 1>your vagina. They take this wand you've probably seen it

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, okay, we're just gonna poke around and yeah,

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 1>and um I noticed she was like oh wow, and

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 1>I was like what. And she's like, you have a

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of fluid, like just free floating fluid. So what

0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 1>are you feeling right now? You're nervous? Are you scared?

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't know what it meant at first, so

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, there's fluid, what like what's wrong?

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Like what could it be? And then she gets to

0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 1>my ovaries and she's like okay. So she's like all right,

0:29:56.880 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>like we're okay, we're done. And I'm also in pain

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 1>at this point because basically I was in constant pelvic pain.

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Like so you're you are you administring? No, you're not,

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 1>You're not in your cycle, You're just you're just Oh

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>so when you have endometriosis, you're just in pain all

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>the time, not just beak of a cramps. Yeah, oh,

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>you kind of don't get relief because when your menstrual

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 1>cycle is bad, it causes your pelvic floor, which is

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 1>this muscle group we have that holds up our body.

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 1>It gets tight and spastic. So I experienced muscle spasms

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's like you can you can feel it, like

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 1>you can like you're like like you can literally hear yeah,

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 1>because no one wants to feel like their body, you know.

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 1>So I go to her office and I had never

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>sat down in like a doctor's office where they're at

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 1>a table and you're like, this is what they do

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 1>in the movies, I felt like and she said the

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 1>word endometriosis, and that second I heard it, I was

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>just like like it was like everything else just became silent,

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Like I was just like, whoa, this is like happening.

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm being validated. You know, my pain is acknowledged, my reality,

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 1>my experience is being honored. But what the heck? This

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:21.720
<v Speaker 1>is like my life now? And did you know what

0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>it meant at that time? I did because I had yes.

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 1>But also I had been like acts like asking and

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 1>advocating to get tested for endometriosis since I first started

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.640
<v Speaker 1>seeing one doctor. I had been through like almost a

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>dozen O. B. G Yan's. Like literally one of them

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>told me like, oh, you should get pregnant. Wait what

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>because then you want have a menstrual cycle? What does

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:54.480
<v Speaker 1>that even mean? Like what why are you? Was that

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 1>a male doctor? It was a male doctor. It was ridiculous.

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 1>It was ridiculous. I mean one of them recommended a

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>full hysterectomy. Are you seen? So forget any Okay, go ahead.

0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 1>It was It was really weird too, because I've never

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 1>hated my like uterus, like I've been in so much

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>pain from it, but I don't hate it. I just

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 1>I am always trying to understand it better. But to

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 1>have someone wants to remove it from me, you know,

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 1>it was a very weird experience. And it was so

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 1>nonchalant for him. I remember, like, and you're sitting in

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the stirrups, so you know it's you're very so this

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 1>doctor actually that finally diagnosed me correctly. She said, the

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 1>reason why I think you have endometrios this is you

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>said you were hospitalized. I found a bunch of free

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>um floating fluid in your pelvic cavity. Right, Usually that's

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 1>the result of is of ovarian cysts. Right, So it's

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 1>likely that the pain that sent me to the hospital

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 1>was the pain from ovarian cysts bursting. Yeah, And so

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 1>I was experiencing that rupturing pain that is like very

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 1>very bad. It just for a second, or is it

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:28.719
<v Speaker 1>like No, it's like it's not a pop. It's like

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 1>like or like a it feels like you're muscles, like

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 1>your pelvic floor and your uterus are being slowly pulled

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 1>through like something very hard to pull it through, like

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 1>there's resistance. You can feel it. It's very uncomfortable. And

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>luckily I have not experienced ovary insists since then, right,

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 1>because I had a doctor that I saw that I

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>had these symptoms. She saw the reason why she ended

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the exam was because she saw very low egg follical

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:08.240
<v Speaker 1>account and so that's common in women. Are people with endometriosis,

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:12.759
<v Speaker 1>is infertility or reduced um you know, ovarian follicles, right

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:17.759
<v Speaker 1>or eggs And so that to hear that, you know,

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.120
<v Speaker 1>I've always known that I'm going to be a mother

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>and wanted to have children, and that's something that's very

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 1>sacred to me, and I never anticipated to hear anything

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>along the lines of you can't do that, or that

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 1>might not be possible for you at that age. I

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 1>mean it was really there was no one else that

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I knew that had experienced because we don't talk about

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:44.839
<v Speaker 1>these things. We don't talk about I saw you post

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:47.719
<v Speaker 1>something on Instagram. Is this when they said you had

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 1>the ovaries of a thirty forty? What was it? Yeah?

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:52.919
<v Speaker 1>Like I had the ovarian follical count of like someone

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.439
<v Speaker 1>that was like it was like thirty two or thirty four.

0:34:55.520 --> 0:35:01.320
<v Speaker 1>I was seventeen when they did. Yeah. And so basically

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:08.840
<v Speaker 1>what that was a result of was years of untreated inflammation,

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, and chronic pain. I mean pain, It sucks,

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 1>but it tells us something because your body shouldn't just

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 1>be heard, Yeah, just hurt, just like we shouldn't just

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 1>hurt people. Yeah. So I met her. She put me

0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:30.359
<v Speaker 1>on a bunch of different treatments. Some of them didn't work.

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Most of them didn't work. Um. I basically tried every

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of birth control that like exists, like the patch,

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the ring, the pill, all the things didn't work. Then

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 1>I had surgery and I had an IUD inserted, and

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:48.280
<v Speaker 1>that was to help manage the endometriosis. And I started

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 1>pelvic floor physical therapy and so that is. I'm so

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:58.680
<v Speaker 1>glad you asked. So it's because it's really out asked

0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 1>a question. Okay, So this is the thing. Pelvic or

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:05.719
<v Speaker 1>physical therapy is the fairy godmother that you never know

0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 1>you needed. So our public floor, especially as people that

0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 1>have uterus is and reproductive organs that can carry babies

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, takes a beating. We stand not straight. We slouch,

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. We sloug right, We fold

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 1>our transverse abdominal muscles. We don't really engage our core,

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 1>so we kind of just like flop around a lot

0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:35.680
<v Speaker 1>of the time. And our PUBLC floor can create these

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of tight areas or areas of tightness. Right. The

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:45.800
<v Speaker 1>vagina is really cool because it like can move so much,

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>but the muscle it can't do the most. You know,

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>it's a muscle. You have to train it. So what

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:55.120
<v Speaker 1>public exactly? So it's not just keegels, but it's basically

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:59.360
<v Speaker 1>doing work with a physical therapist who helps to manipulate

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:05.399
<v Speaker 1>a maneuver different tools inside of your vagina. Mm hmm.

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:11.959
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, this is so weird, Like does it turn

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 1>you on? This is not it was not like it's

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 1>feeling good. It's like you're learning a part of your body.

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 1>You're learning how to really understand how it moves, and

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 1>you're like gripping or clenches. Yeah. Yeah, this is before

0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:31.759
<v Speaker 1>after you had surgery. So I started it before, but

0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:35.320
<v Speaker 1>it was prescribed to me, like I think one session

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 1>a week about like three weeks after I had surgery,

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:40.320
<v Speaker 1>and I did it for like six seven months straight

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 1>and it changed my life. Okay, So what was the

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:47.800
<v Speaker 1>surgery call that you had bilateral laparoscopic Oblazian surgery. Okay,

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 1>obliging surgery. Okay, Um, you how long was the healing

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 1>process was it? Yeah? You said something about your behaveal

0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 1>and you know, like, what did it feel like? So

0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I've never had surgery before war I was like, and

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:07.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm also someone that is affected by medication very heavily,

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 1>so I know it long. Yeah, I know, because that's

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:14.359
<v Speaker 1>why it's like I think, once I decided to like

0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:18.799
<v Speaker 1>really get to a better understanding what my issues were,

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:24.080
<v Speaker 1>and that meant, you know, not taking all these narcotics

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:26.280
<v Speaker 1>that were being given to me, not taking all these

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:31.319
<v Speaker 1>prescription pain medications and birth control. So the healing time

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 1>for me took about a month. They say it'll take

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>two weeks, three weeks. It took me a month. They

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 1>put this camera in your belly button. They cut like

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 1>a hole. So yeah, it's kind of like okay, by

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:45.319
<v Speaker 1>belly button, you know what I mean. I do have

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 1>a belly, but it's like different, like you can like

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I can see the scar, which is so interesting because

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:52.320
<v Speaker 1>most of the time people don't have like secrets in

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:55.480
<v Speaker 1>their belly buttons, you know, but it's kind of cool.

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:58.319
<v Speaker 1>So and then they put two incisions like kind of

0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 1>closer to where your ovary would lay, and they use

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 1>these tools to cauterize and you know, take out the

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:09.240
<v Speaker 1>end of metrial adhesions, and they put you under general

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:14.200
<v Speaker 1>in asthesia, you know. And it's usually like a relatively

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:16.640
<v Speaker 1>short surgery one to two hours. I think mine lasted

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:20.240
<v Speaker 1>about two. And I just remember waking up and feeling

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 1>like so disoriented. Um, I was super confused, and I

0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:29.040
<v Speaker 1>was like is it okay? Like are we okay? Like

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 1>are we good? I saw my doctor and she was like, yes,

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 1>it's okay, We're gonna be okay, Like this was it

0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 1>was a successful surgery, just like we can show you

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:39.960
<v Speaker 1>pictures later. I was like, I'm gonna look at pictures

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 1>of my uterus what like wild but it was. I

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 1>woke up and was in pain, but I felt like

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:51.440
<v Speaker 1>crying tears of happiness because it took me a really

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:54.879
<v Speaker 1>long time to even get that surgery, and for most

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:58.160
<v Speaker 1>people it will take longer. The average age to get

0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:01.440
<v Speaker 1>diagnosed with endometriosis is seven year years and I started

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 1>having symptoms at thirteen. I had my surgery at fifteen

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 1>or not fifteen, sorry, eighteen, so that was five years.

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:10.720
<v Speaker 1>That's shorter on average, and it will take any other person.

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:12.440
<v Speaker 1>And so I consider myself to be one of the

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 1>lucky ones honestly, because there are people out here that

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>have been suffering for years. I can't imagine that even

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 1>when you're not on your sack, when you're cramping or

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 1>in pain. Yeah, and also like it leads like it

0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:30.880
<v Speaker 1>it impacts your life so holistically, like hormonally, your emotions

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:32.560
<v Speaker 1>are going to change, you know what I mean. Like

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.880
<v Speaker 1>I never felt like I was out of PMS because

0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:38.839
<v Speaker 1>it was just like I was feeling so much pain

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and hormones. Like it's very uncomfortable and it's hard when

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:46.319
<v Speaker 1>you have chronic pain too, but you don't look necessarily

0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 1>disabled people are just like, oh, well, what's wrong with you?

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 1>And it's like I have coucy issues, like leave me

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 1>be Like I have issues with my vagina. So like,

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I was really happy when I had my surgery. But

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I also want to make sure that we don't have

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 1>to just have surgery is the only option. I want

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:12.000
<v Speaker 1>to see a world where people with endometrios is don't

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 1>have to rely on surgery as their you know, treatment

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 1>as the gold standard, because ultimately, we should not have

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.240
<v Speaker 1>to have robots and little cameras go in our bodies

0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.439
<v Speaker 1>for us to be able to get concrete answers about

0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:27.360
<v Speaker 1>our health. Can it be caused by stress or anything? Um,

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 1>your pain can definitely be increased and that's that was

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 1>chronics your face if you breaking out, you will lose hair,

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:41.880
<v Speaker 1>you can grow tumors like what And people actually, um

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 1>take birth control to control their hormones, like like if

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:50.399
<v Speaker 1>they if they experienced two intense fluctuations, yeah, mm hmm.

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.839
<v Speaker 1>So what did the doctors say, did they say, did

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 1>they give you a percentage? Right? Are you able to

0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:59.320
<v Speaker 1>have children now? Or what? Do they say? Yeah? So luckily.

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:06.640
<v Speaker 1>The the other thing is ultrasound imagery is not accurate.

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:12.040
<v Speaker 1>It is a guess. The body is not two D,

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:15.759
<v Speaker 1>it's three D, right, So when you're using an ultrasound,

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:19.880
<v Speaker 1>you're getting a two D image of a three D object, right,

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 1>So you can't always see the depth. You can't always

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:26.560
<v Speaker 1>see That's why, you know, if anyone ever tells you, oh, yeah,

0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:28.439
<v Speaker 1>my doctor did an ultrasound on me, and they said,

0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:29.840
<v Speaker 1>my baby is big and I won't be able to

0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 1>push my baby out. Well, ultrasounds are not that efficient

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:38.719
<v Speaker 1>actually predicting things. They're just pieces of information that we

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 1>ultimately use, you know. But the kind of effective rate

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 1>of ultrasounds predicting things has been shown to not be

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:52.480
<v Speaker 1>that high. And that's just looking at different like actual

0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>controlled studies, but also comprehensive reviews of all the studies

0:42:56.120 --> 0:43:01.800
<v Speaker 1>about ultrasounds. So she said that we would have to

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 1>do some extense of blood work, and so I was like, okay,

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:07.280
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that would mean like twelve vials of blood.

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.759
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm getting like poked and prodded. But they

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:13.440
<v Speaker 1>look at all of the different hormones in your blood.

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 1>They look at lots of different panels and things like that,

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.279
<v Speaker 1>and to get an estimate basically about how many are

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:23.799
<v Speaker 1>left or how many are there, and luckily that information

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:26.479
<v Speaker 1>led to a conclusion that I did not have as

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 1>depleted over in reserve as they had. Initiative thought, Yeah,

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I know that. I love that you were like holding

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:34.759
<v Speaker 1>your breath because that's you know, that's that's something that

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 1>when you are told things like that, you know, it's

0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:44.879
<v Speaker 1>it's very weird, but you know there's hope, right, Yeah,

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I do know that there's a And you know, this

0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 1>is another thing I really want people to know is

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 1>that we live in a world where people with endometriosis

0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:55.920
<v Speaker 1>get pregnant. You know, we live in that world. We

0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.520
<v Speaker 1>live in a world where there's lots of different types

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:01.520
<v Speaker 1>of insemination method. It's doesn't necessarily need to be I

0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:05.160
<v Speaker 1>v F because everyone thinks IVF is like the main thing.

0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 1>But you know, queer people have been inseminating each other

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 1>for a long time with different things, so we have

0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:15.400
<v Speaker 1>alternate ways, you know, and it's it's good to see

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:18.400
<v Speaker 1>that be normalized. And being that you are a doula,

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:20.919
<v Speaker 1>you've seen some of these things. Yeah, I've I've seen

0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 1>and I've heard. But okay, so when we come back,

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:27.720
<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about your your life as a doula, okay,

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:30.760
<v Speaker 1>and also I'm gonna get your thoughts on versus way okay,

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:38.800
<v Speaker 1>All right, y'all, we'll be right back. Fine, this is Vanessavil, callaway, peace.

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 1>What's up everybody? This is trade change and you are

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 1>listening to Lent with Don Day. Hold on, So before

0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:53.360
<v Speaker 1>we jump back into our conversations there, you mentioned about

0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:57.759
<v Speaker 1>geriatric pregnancy. You said it's a myth. So I said

0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 1>it's a myth because the term aeriatric pregnancy refers to

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:03.959
<v Speaker 1>anybody that gets pregnant over the age of thirty five.

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 1>So at thirty five years old, you're not geriatric. Your

0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:17.480
<v Speaker 1>pregnancy is not geriatric. Like I'm pretty sure that the

0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:22.480
<v Speaker 1>study that was actually used to determine the optimal age

0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:28.720
<v Speaker 1>for reproduction was based entirely on studying white women, and

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 1>um come on say it. Don't hold back. Come on,

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:38.239
<v Speaker 1>We're not them. We're just not them. We come from

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:43.120
<v Speaker 1>different communities where our bodies are different. You know, we

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 1>hold our children differently, we nurture our children differently. So

0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:51.840
<v Speaker 1>when I hear people say the term geriatric pregnancy, it

0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:56.880
<v Speaker 1>just reminds me of how much like medicine has made

0:45:57.120 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 1>women and people fear they're own body's capacity. You know,

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 1>what do you mean by their own capacity? Like what

0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the body can do? Like limits on magic limits like

0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Janet Jackson exactly, like and it's it's person to person

0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:18.840
<v Speaker 1>like it's not, it's not. It's really weird too that

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I see like most of the people saying that encouraging

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:25.279
<v Speaker 1>people to have kids in their early twenties, because I'm like,

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:34.160
<v Speaker 1>in this economy, somebody still take care with no you know,

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 1>structure for caregiving. We don't have preschools that have capacity

0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:41.440
<v Speaker 1>right now that have popped back up since COVID. You know,

0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 1>we don't have support for moms that's like accessible, you know,

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:50.359
<v Speaker 1>we don't have support for dads almost like you know,

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.640
<v Speaker 1>just this part of the conversation has really gotten me inspired.

0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:57.040
<v Speaker 1>One like my mom had me at was my mom

0:46:57.080 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 1>thirty five? Yeah, my mom was thirty five and yeah,

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 1>because she was thirty two and I'm I'm thirty said

0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:07.799
<v Speaker 1>and that that is something that hits my hand. I'm like, well,

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:09.520
<v Speaker 1>what does that look like? Me want to have children

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 1>at the point right now, like I'm working out and stuff.

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:13.319
<v Speaker 1>And I've said this before, like I feel like I've

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:17.880
<v Speaker 1>been pregnant my whole life. So whoever I'm my partner,

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:20.560
<v Speaker 1>she gonna have to carry your fist. Man, we're gonna

0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:24.400
<v Speaker 1>have to find Yeah, I just I don't see that

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 1>happening at least, that's what I'm saying right now. I

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:30.120
<v Speaker 1>don't want to stop that. But yeah, I hear that

0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:35.400
<v Speaker 1>is that. I mean, that's that's it. That's you know,

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 1>And I want to say and let me, let me

0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:41.120
<v Speaker 1>use my words properly to say that I felt pregnant

0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:42.799
<v Speaker 1>because I know that there is more than that to

0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:45.480
<v Speaker 1>that before it's what it means to me is just

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.479
<v Speaker 1>carrying the weight, and I know that it is more

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:50.560
<v Speaker 1>than just a weight. It is a life. There is

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:54.440
<v Speaker 1>something beauty. But my experience and how it's been, how

0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:58.239
<v Speaker 1>it's felt to me to not have a stomach, that's

0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:01.600
<v Speaker 1>something I'm looking forward to. It could change because as

0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:04.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm hearing and I'm hearing something else and I'm judging myself.

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:07.919
<v Speaker 1>But but this is your truth right now, so just

0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:11.759
<v Speaker 1>and so flexibility to change exactly. And that's the thing

0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 1>is that I'm so glad you can say you have

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:17.279
<v Speaker 1>the flexibility to change and not think, oh well, I

0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:20.000
<v Speaker 1>have to decide right now. I have to go harvest

0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 1>my eggs right now so that I can preserve them

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and have my embryos frozen. You don't need to do that.

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:29.400
<v Speaker 1>And because you know I have fibroids, and so I

0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:31.319
<v Speaker 1>was asking you what was your experience like when you

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 1>were like, oh my gosh, this is endometriosis. To hear

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 1>how you handled it so cool. I remember I would

0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:39.799
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know, and you know you said something,

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:41.720
<v Speaker 1>you said, don you should just not be in pain.

0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I will never forget I. Um I was going to

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:48.320
<v Speaker 1>my friend's birthday, Dion. I was in so much pain

0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:51.399
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even get out the car. And the thing

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:55.120
<v Speaker 1>that was interesting, I had went to see my um

0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:59.000
<v Speaker 1>my general practitioner. She had did my uh my path

0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:01.200
<v Speaker 1>and she had noticed that it was it was abnormal.

0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Abnormal she said, was always kind of large. Let me

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:05.839
<v Speaker 1>recommend you over to O B G Y N. And

0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:08.759
<v Speaker 1>I felt like you. I felt like I was disregarded,

0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:11.880
<v Speaker 1>like I felt judge because um I was heavier than

0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:15.359
<v Speaker 1>I was now. But she was doing her examination, She's like, oh,

0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:17.839
<v Speaker 1>that's just sound much tissue. And I was just like,

0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:20.600
<v Speaker 1>first of all, you're up in me. Then you're like, oh,

0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I just can't see, and she had said, oh, there's

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:24.120
<v Speaker 1>five words. But I almost felt like it was a

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 1>shame thing. And from then it took I waited, I

0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:31.120
<v Speaker 1>dismissed it and go to the doctor. Then fast forward, um,

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:34.040
<v Speaker 1>she had did uh, she had to test to test

0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:36.719
<v Speaker 1>a tissue. It came out uncancers, so that was fine,

0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 1>but they still wanted to say, hey, we should remove this.

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Really but at that point, I'm in so much shame,

0:49:40.840 --> 0:49:43.560
<v Speaker 1>so I'm just like, forget it. I'm just I hadn't

0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:46.680
<v Speaker 1>experienced any pain then. Ever since she did that Bobus,

0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I think like the following the next two months, I'm

0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.120
<v Speaker 1>saying cramps. I couldn't even get out the bed, and

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:54.640
<v Speaker 1>I it hurt me so bad because I thought of

0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:58.399
<v Speaker 1>my mother. She transitioned from stage for a breast cancer.

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I remember the time that she wasn't paying she was

0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:02.720
<v Speaker 1>calling out to her mother and I said, oh my god,

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:05.359
<v Speaker 1>I can't even imagine the type of pain that she

0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:08.280
<v Speaker 1>had experienced. And then that's when I was like, oh,

0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.479
<v Speaker 1>there's something that I need to do about this. And

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I think more conversations like this and people saying like, hey,

0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:16.919
<v Speaker 1>this has happened to me. When you feel this type

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:19.400
<v Speaker 1>of pain, you should talk about And if your doctor

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:22.440
<v Speaker 1>or somebody else makes you feel uncomfortable, figure out somebody

0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:24.480
<v Speaker 1>that does and what it feels like when you are

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:30.200
<v Speaker 1>comfortable and it is the right person. And ultimately we

0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:34.640
<v Speaker 1>need to normalize these things because we should not suffer

0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:40.200
<v Speaker 1>in silence. There's that is like another level and layer

0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:43.480
<v Speaker 1>of the injustices. You have something about suffering in silence,

0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:48.160
<v Speaker 1>right are you? Lord? You're talking? If there's a book

0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:51.279
<v Speaker 1>silence will not produce? You got that book that looks

0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:54.800
<v Speaker 1>at we got goodies that Sarah has brought um. But wait,

0:50:55.160 --> 0:50:57.840
<v Speaker 1>before there, we had to talk about the myth of

0:50:57.920 --> 0:51:01.040
<v Speaker 1>geriator pregnancy, knowing that it is based on a certain

0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:04.080
<v Speaker 1>group of people. Knowing that if you do not identify

0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:07.640
<v Speaker 1>or classify yourself as such person or as said person,

0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:12.759
<v Speaker 1>there is possibility and not limit the magic of our bodies.

0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, life comes from this. Now at this point,

0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:20.920
<v Speaker 1>now that you're like okay, you go to the doctor,

0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:26.360
<v Speaker 1>they say, hey, I'm like cases, you can still possibly

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:29.640
<v Speaker 1>have children, you can possibly bring in life. Now you're

0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:32.720
<v Speaker 1>in a career path where you're actually bringing in life

0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and well not only bringing. But you're a full spectrum

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:41.799
<v Speaker 1>do so? Okay, tell us about this. Okay, so do

0:51:41.840 --> 0:51:43.799
<v Speaker 1>you want to do like dula versus midwife or just

0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:47.280
<v Speaker 1>what is it? And then you have the midwife versus

0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:49.919
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's just the regular delivery person

0:51:50.000 --> 0:51:52.560
<v Speaker 1>with the doctor. So we do so we can go

0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:57.920
<v Speaker 1>through all the terms. Okay. So, adula is a labor

0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:00.840
<v Speaker 1>support person, right, It's someone that is with you for

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the physical, emotional and spiritual transition of pregnant to not pregnant,

0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:10.480
<v Speaker 1>pregnant you know, with baby in you, and then labor

0:52:10.520 --> 0:52:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that process and then postpartum so the aftermath. I am

0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:17.000
<v Speaker 1>a full spectrum doula, So that means that I am

0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:20.440
<v Speaker 1>trained in supporting a person through the full spectrum of

0:52:20.480 --> 0:52:24.600
<v Speaker 1>possibilities that could happen with pregnancy outcomes. So that could

0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:28.279
<v Speaker 1>look like supporting someone experiencing a still birth, experiencing a

0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:32.600
<v Speaker 1>miscarriage or early pregnancy loss, someone seeking an abortion, or

0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 1>someone ultimately you know, giving birth. So anything that falls

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:45.759
<v Speaker 1>along that spectrum I am trained to provide support for. Okay, um, So,

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 1>then what's the difference between a doula and a midwife? Okay,

0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:53.040
<v Speaker 1>So a doula is a non medical personnel, so we

0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:57.440
<v Speaker 1>often have training in some form of medicine or some

0:52:57.600 --> 0:53:02.080
<v Speaker 1>medical field, but our role anything medical is out of

0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:06.200
<v Speaker 1>our scope, Whereas a midwife is a trained professional who

0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:09.640
<v Speaker 1>has either undergone a direct entry route meaning that they

0:53:09.680 --> 0:53:14.440
<v Speaker 1>attended a university and had an apprenticeship or preceptorship and

0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:18.719
<v Speaker 1>had to sit and take an exam, or a nurse midwife.

0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:21.239
<v Speaker 1>A nurse midwife is someone who is a nurse and

0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:24.480
<v Speaker 1>midwife that has midwif free training, but there's kind of

0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:28.440
<v Speaker 1>separate entry routes, So midwives differ from doctors in a

0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:31.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of ways. One midwives us the midwif free model

0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:39.320
<v Speaker 1>of care. Two midwives WI free model real quick. Okay,

0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:42.480
<v Speaker 1>So the midwif free model of care is an approach

0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and model of providing care for someone experiencing pregnancy that

0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:50.279
<v Speaker 1>recognizes that it is a normal, natural, and common part

0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:53.160
<v Speaker 1>of life, not a medical emergency that should be managed.

0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:56.440
<v Speaker 1>So the midwiff free model of care basically is grounded

0:53:56.440 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 1>in the principle that in the absence of um like

0:54:02.320 --> 0:54:06.719
<v Speaker 1>anything that would confirm otherwise, we should allow natural processes

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:11.600
<v Speaker 1>to continue, right, So interventions are only suggested when there's

0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:15.319
<v Speaker 1>evidence to indicate that there is a problem, but they're

0:54:15.360 --> 0:54:17.920
<v Speaker 1>not looking for problems where an O, B, G, I.

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:21.160
<v Speaker 1>N may typically run a practice where that would happen.

0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:23.680
<v Speaker 1>And what would they be looking for a problem, because

0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:27.080
<v Speaker 1>then they can operate on you and they can do

0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:30.719
<v Speaker 1>a C section, and then they can bill you not

0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:34.520
<v Speaker 1>only for the surgeon's fees, but for the antithesiologists. The

0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:37.319
<v Speaker 1>O R fees usually have to do two three stay.

0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:42.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, having highly medicalized births is highly profitable for

0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:46.760
<v Speaker 1>the medical industrial complex, and they make so much money

0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:50.400
<v Speaker 1>off of birth that it is a business offer. Like

0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:54.839
<v Speaker 1>the whole medical realms. It is so you I mean

0:54:54.880 --> 0:54:58.320
<v Speaker 1>the way you you you gave, like the side I

0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:01.160
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you're not really four like going to

0:55:01.280 --> 0:55:05.239
<v Speaker 1>the doctor. So I don't want to say that. I

0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:11.479
<v Speaker 1>want to see us having legitimate systems of community health care.

0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:15.600
<v Speaker 1>And I think that a lot of people think that

0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:19.280
<v Speaker 1>that means we can't rely or trust nurse as our doctors.

0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:24.640
<v Speaker 1>But it's really to me about training to build relationships, right,

0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:29.120
<v Speaker 1>because when you're caring for someone and you're kind of

0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:32.719
<v Speaker 1>holding a lot of power in regards to their health

0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:36.279
<v Speaker 1>in their life, that's a very serious, sacred relationship that

0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:38.319
<v Speaker 1>you're making with them. And I think that the way

0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:42.040
<v Speaker 1>we operate currently doesn't allow for these relationships to occur.

0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:46.880
<v Speaker 1>And oftentimes doctors and medical personnel are unable to invest

0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:51.200
<v Speaker 1>right enough time or one on one energy with their

0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:55.160
<v Speaker 1>patients for their health care outcomes to actually address their

0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:58.160
<v Speaker 1>health care needs. You know, because when we when we

0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.319
<v Speaker 1>don't talk to each other, when when we really don't

0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:05.839
<v Speaker 1>have a way of relating to the other person and

0:56:05.880 --> 0:56:09.320
<v Speaker 1>connecting with them that is not simply based on trying

0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:12.520
<v Speaker 1>to extract this list of um you know, statistics or

0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:14.759
<v Speaker 1>data that you're trying to seek to make a diagnosis,

0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:20.120
<v Speaker 1>it becomes easier to see people as products. We need

0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:23.400
<v Speaker 1>to put the humanity back in healthcare. We really do so.

0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:26.880
<v Speaker 1>And uh is there something that a midwife could not

0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:33.600
<v Speaker 1>do that perhaps doctor could do. So that depends on

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:37.000
<v Speaker 1>state to state. But currently O, B, G, I, N

0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:40.600
<v Speaker 1>S are treated and have the utmost authority when it

0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:44.960
<v Speaker 1>comes to birth right their medical doctors. They know they've

0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:49.600
<v Speaker 1>done the research. Most of them, if not all, have

0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:55.120
<v Speaker 1>probably not seen a natural like normal physiological earth, you know,

0:56:55.239 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 1>without UM some sort of intervention, whether it be in

0:56:59.160 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 1>i V whether it be you know, a fully bulb

0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:06.520
<v Speaker 1>to dilate their cervix, whether it be um you know,

0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:11.719
<v Speaker 1>forceps apsotomy, you know, the cutting of the perennium. So

0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:16.040
<v Speaker 1>they are used to engaging with birth in a medical

0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:20.400
<v Speaker 1>context for whatever reason, they hold the most authority. They

0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 1>have prescriptive authority. They are allowed to govern each other

0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:29.640
<v Speaker 1>and themselves. But midwives are a different kind of category

0:57:29.720 --> 0:57:35.240
<v Speaker 1>because doctors have a vested interest in trying to, you know,

0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:39.040
<v Speaker 1>stigmatize the midwiffree profession. You know, it's easy to say

0:57:39.040 --> 0:57:43.400
<v Speaker 1>that midwives are uneducated and dirty and don't use practices

0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:46.280
<v Speaker 1>that are up to standard, right, because we birth at home,

0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:51.240
<v Speaker 1>we birth in community, so exactly like you can see, Okay, yeah,

0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:55.400
<v Speaker 1>you know things aren't sterile exactly right, Okay, sure, And

0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:58.400
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly how I was for years and years, and

0:57:58.440 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 1>then I actually learned about the process of earth a

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:08.720
<v Speaker 1>physiological birth and learned that the interventions that are pushed

0:58:08.720 --> 0:58:14.600
<v Speaker 1>onto people are not ultimately more helpful than not intervening.

0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:19.240
<v Speaker 1>There are people that are told that they won't be

0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:23.160
<v Speaker 1>able to push their baby out because their baby is

0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:29.200
<v Speaker 1>too big, right, um who said that? Like, whose baby

0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:32.720
<v Speaker 1>is too big? Like why what? What? What? What does

0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:35.760
<v Speaker 1>that mean? Like what does that? Like? What does that mean?

0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:38.720
<v Speaker 1>The baby's too big? Like the baby was grown in

0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:45.480
<v Speaker 1>this thing, so it's big enough, you know. But I'm

0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting flash this girl to house a dragon. Did

0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:50.840
<v Speaker 1>you watch? Are you watching it? Did you watch? On? No?

0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I heard there's a scen God heard there's a scene

0:58:56.320 --> 0:58:59.160
<v Speaker 1>or where the mom dies. Yeah, and and then and

0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:02.160
<v Speaker 1>and she was having, you know, issue, really difficult labor,

0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:04.800
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just wondering what was We can't talk about this,

0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:08.160
<v Speaker 1>I know, but but I will say that that a

0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:10.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of people have talked to me about that, and

0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:13.160
<v Speaker 1>they're like, it was so scary, it was so horrible.

0:59:13.360 --> 0:59:16.840
<v Speaker 1>And I was like so happy to hear people say that,

0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:19.720
<v Speaker 1>because I think that was the first time that, like

0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:23.440
<v Speaker 1>pop culture wise, people realize that, like maternal morbidity is

0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:26.520
<v Speaker 1>an issue. My mother before she passed, she said, I

0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:29.240
<v Speaker 1>got her own type. She says, don She said, having

0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:33.320
<v Speaker 1>a baby is like going through death. It's it's like

0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:35.720
<v Speaker 1>death and rebirth. A lot of people describe it as

0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:41.040
<v Speaker 1>because like you're going to the deepest parts of yourself

0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and finding the straight it's a lot more mental than

0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:47.280
<v Speaker 1>it is physical often, you know, and and and even

0:59:47.320 --> 0:59:49.160
<v Speaker 1>just thinking that I didn't even think about to touch

0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:51.680
<v Speaker 1>on this with you with just a historical context or

0:59:51.680 --> 0:59:55.320
<v Speaker 1>with pregnancy. You know, how was it enforced on women

0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:57.480
<v Speaker 1>and and and what that meant for a woman at

0:59:57.480 --> 0:59:59.760
<v Speaker 1>the time, resus today. But let's get back. So we

0:59:59.800 --> 1:00:02.600
<v Speaker 1>talked and about how whether they're saying like Midwiffrey and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not as sanitary until you were doing it, you said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't called dirty. Yeah, it's not dirty because um

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<v Speaker 1>birth is a natural process that's meant to occur, right,

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<v Speaker 1>We're meant to exit and our bodies and immune systems

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<v Speaker 1>then learned so much information as we exit, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the vaginal canal, as we exit the body. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>happen with caesarean births because with cesarean births, the body

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<v Speaker 1>is not actually physically able to process birth in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that it is meant to occur. Right. So, cesarean

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<v Speaker 1>birth is when um our surgical birth. Sometimes they're called

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times they're called cesarian sections, but yes,

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<v Speaker 1>c section, that's super common. I try and use language

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<v Speaker 1>like caesarian birth or surgical birth because they are still births,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they are still births. People that have s

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<v Speaker 1>arean births still have birth, you know, inclusively, it's we

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen the ways that gentle cesareans work, which is

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, instead of baby being rushed immediately cord

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<v Speaker 1>clamp boom done, like everyone separated. It's like this huge

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<v Speaker 1>emergency um. You know, the baby is placed on the

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<v Speaker 1>chest of the birth person and you know they can

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<v Speaker 1>connect and they do a bedside evaluation of the infant

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<v Speaker 1>instead of taking the infant to a different station to

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<v Speaker 1>check it. A super shock, yeah, because I mean for

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<v Speaker 1>the entire existence, they had the heartbeat, they had the

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<v Speaker 1>warmth of this being and immediately. So so when you

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the entry into this world and whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not scessarian birth or a natural birth or vaginal Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>is there a difference between someone having birth on their

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<v Speaker 1>back versus maybe squatting. So there's a physiological difference. When

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<v Speaker 1>you're on your back, you're not in the ideal position

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<v Speaker 1>to actually expand your pelvis. So our pelvic bones and

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<v Speaker 1>like structures are really cool because they're actually they move.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they're joined by ligaments and so as you

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<v Speaker 1>move your body, you can feel certain parts of your

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<v Speaker 1>body moving and expanding. So squatting, for example, allows the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like pelvic floor muscles to relax. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>as like tense, which allows baby to descend usually like quicker.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're laying on your back, you are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>in one of the worst positions, are you au farious,

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<v Speaker 1>because when you're giving birth, you need to think about

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<v Speaker 1>how you're making space right, Like it's like a It's

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<v Speaker 1>like Jenga, you know that game Jenga, making space ensuring

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone gets a turn. That's kind of how it

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<v Speaker 1>is in the body. Like the pelvic bones and all

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<v Speaker 1>of our bones, like in this general area are able

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<v Speaker 1>to move. We have these bones called sits bones that

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<v Speaker 1>they're movable on our back, not movable like, oh, you

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<v Speaker 1>can touch it and it moves. But depending on the

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<v Speaker 1>position you're in, it will change the amount of space

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<v Speaker 1>that there is for a baby to exit your body.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of times we tell people to push

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<v Speaker 1>with their knees in because when you put your knees in,

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<v Speaker 1>what's actually happening is your low pelvis is being opened up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it depends. I have a bunch of different um

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of birthworkers have to um like rotations

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<v Speaker 1>or kind of like sets that you can do depending

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<v Speaker 1>on where the baby is in your body's like if

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<v Speaker 1>you want more like space in the mid pelvis right,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you need more space in the outer pelvic inlet.

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<v Speaker 1>There's certain positions and kind of movements you can do

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<v Speaker 1>at different stages of labor, and these are things that

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<v Speaker 1>you probably won't do with it. V. G u Ant probably. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why it's really important to hire a dula.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, So, is a midwife the same as adula? No? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so what's the difference between those two, right? So midwives

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<v Speaker 1>are medical personnel, right, because they're still dulas are non medical.

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<v Speaker 1>So as in my capacity as a dula, I do

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<v Speaker 1>not touch any of the equipment from any of the practitioners,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it be a midwife or a doctor, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>practitioner or something. You know, I'm there for the birthing

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<v Speaker 1>person and whoever else is there with them. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's my sole focus to really be there for them,

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<v Speaker 1>and part of that usually looks like taking inventory of

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<v Speaker 1>the relationships and the energy in the room. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>not pulling the baby out, You're not Oh, I'm not pulling. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want to pull babies out. So you also,

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<v Speaker 1>dulas are not like that, but emotional support. You guys

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<v Speaker 1>aren't actually taking the baby out. You just like you

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<v Speaker 1>know what makes us because your energy is so calm.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, was telling Jeremiah about you from when we

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<v Speaker 1>met months ago. I was like, I was like, her

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<v Speaker 1>energy is how people describe my voice to be because

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<v Speaker 1>people be like doing your voice is like so soothing

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<v Speaker 1>almost like I was like, when you see her her energy,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, not in a degrading way, but it's so sexy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so alluring, just so like come here, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she'll be looking with her eyes and stuff, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she got the wings on the side of I was

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<v Speaker 1>like saying, stop, I cannot, But that means a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, it really is a great energy. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I will hopefully be helping catching babies. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be applying to midwin Free School soon, so I'm really excited.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that means so you're kind of never once

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<v Speaker 1>are you going to consider being ob gy? Now? Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>why did you you had a second up? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you got the aspect of school to get

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<v Speaker 1>in your way. I just don't think that I would

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<v Speaker 1>thrive in a medical program like a like going to

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<v Speaker 1>med school, I would develop more enemies than friends, And

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't want to feel like I'm the odd one out,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I actually want to learn with other people that

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<v Speaker 1>like believe in the power of people's bodies and and

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<v Speaker 1>their autonomy. You know, I don't want to like be

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<v Speaker 1>the lone person having to advocate for this, like when

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to be Plus, I've considered it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I've considered it, but ultimately at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't think i'd want that power either. So

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about power. What's my thoughts on this

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<v Speaker 1>whole row versus ways? Which part which part? Whatever comes

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<v Speaker 1>to mind. It's because we're talking about rights and whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not somebody can terminate a pregnancy. And the thing

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<v Speaker 1>is is that sometimes what if it's a life or

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<v Speaker 1>death situation, or what if you know, it's somebody is

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<v Speaker 1>a victim of some type of sexual abuse, or just

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<v Speaker 1>like they don't want to be pregnant. Yeah, Like, there's

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of times where I think we have to like

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<v Speaker 1>give ourselves the grace to be like it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be like the worst thing ever for us to

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<v Speaker 1>like support someone's abortion, you know what I mean, because

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<v Speaker 1>like I think those arguments they're super super galvanizing and

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<v Speaker 1>like it's like, oh, that's so like that's such a

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<v Speaker 1>good point, right, But ultimately, we support people's bodily autonomy,

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<v Speaker 1>not just when they're in crisis situations you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>experience or you know, victims of violence or harm. Like

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<v Speaker 1>we want people to have autonomy all the time. But

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<v Speaker 1>is it not look that like, well, you're responsible enough

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<v Speaker 1>to get pregnant, so you need to figure out what

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<v Speaker 1>to do with right, But where does that idea come

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<v Speaker 1>from that just because we have the organs to get pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>that like if we do, it says something about us,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. For me, like I don't think if someone

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<v Speaker 1>gets pregnant that like it means that like, oh, you

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<v Speaker 1>know you like most people say like, oh, you did

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<v Speaker 1>the deed. You got to kind of like open up

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<v Speaker 1>or be willing to take responsibility. But like you're not

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<v Speaker 1>wrong for getting pregnant. You know, that just happens sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just something that happens in life. Sometimes people

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<v Speaker 1>can control it, sometimes they can't. It's neither here nor there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to happen. You know. I think we spent

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time focusing on the like perception of

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<v Speaker 1>like what like, oh, someone like that, you know, someone

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<v Speaker 1>like that, someone who would have unprotected sex, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who would do these things that maybe don't fit

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<v Speaker 1>into our purview of what we would do. But what

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<v Speaker 1>does that say about us? Then? Yeah, like when we

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<v Speaker 1>need support, we really should be met with judgment. So

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like Row versus Way, which you're highly opposed

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<v Speaker 1>because the judgment not just the judgment, but I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's literally limiting abortions healthcare. You know, we're literally revoking

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<v Speaker 1>people's access to healthcare because of like men, like literally

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<v Speaker 1>men made this decision, you know, and it was bad

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<v Speaker 1>before Row. I want people to know that of counties

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<v Speaker 1>in California do not have a single abortion clinic and

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<v Speaker 1>we are you know, blue state, we protect us. This

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<v Speaker 1>is right now of counties. I mean that's like a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking lot of people, Like it's millions of people that

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<v Speaker 1>I have to drive miles even to just get to

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<v Speaker 1>a clinic. I mean when when we think about it

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and this is the issue that I have too,

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, g have a Newsom, the governor announced

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<v Speaker 1>that there's this like scholarship fund for nursing students and

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<v Speaker 1>people that are going to be providing abortion related health care. Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have enough people professionals in the state of

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<v Speaker 1>California that can teach that to other people because general

1:10:20.680 --> 1:10:24.679
<v Speaker 1>practitioners and care providers like family nurse practitioners or family

1:10:24.760 --> 1:10:29.200
<v Speaker 1>medicine doctors often don't receive or receive very little education

1:10:29.320 --> 1:10:35.000
<v Speaker 1>and abortions and you know, miscarriage management. Um, and that's intentional.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's super intentional and it sucks. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel that what are your thoughts on that

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<v Speaker 1>the before this was an issue whether or not I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be overturned real vicious way. As far

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<v Speaker 1>as a time limited when somebody can get an abortion,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that should exist If somebody wants to

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<v Speaker 1>abort a baby at eight and a half months, should

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<v Speaker 1>it be fun? I mean, that's not really for me

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<v Speaker 1>to decide. You know. One I think one example we

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<v Speaker 1>can look at is Christie taken So last year, so

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<v Speaker 1>she was very public about experiencing pregnancy loss. Yeah, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she recently came out saying, let me call

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<v Speaker 1>it essentially, I'm just paraphrasing, but she said, like, let

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<v Speaker 1>me call it what it was. I hadn't I had

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<v Speaker 1>an abortion, right. And that's because people that have miscarriages

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<v Speaker 1>or experienced spontaneous pregnancy loss that is not connected to

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<v Speaker 1>any factors that could be you know, found it just spontaneous. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>They are often needing and often received the same kind

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<v Speaker 1>of healthcare, the same surgeries, the same medications, the same

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<v Speaker 1>therapies and treatments that someone seeking an abortion would because

1:11:53.800 --> 1:12:00.560
<v Speaker 1>for the body, abortion and miscarriage are the same. So

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<v Speaker 1>was it an abortion or miscares this year? That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I don't I thought I didn't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I heard like she had to compare like her losing

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<v Speaker 1>her life or or what was her life in danger?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I've read that, but I did

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<v Speaker 1>see abortion. I just put it together, like, oh, but

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why is because her life was in danger.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's situations like that. The majority of abortions take

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<v Speaker 1>place in the first or second trimester. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>people had access to abortions, we wouldn't have to worry

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<v Speaker 1>about these kinds of things, like what happens at eight

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<v Speaker 1>months if someone does, because obviously that happens. But if

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<v Speaker 1>people had readily, you know, accessible abortion related sexual health

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<v Speaker 1>related healthcare, they wouldn't have to kind of push off

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<v Speaker 1>the choices that they wanted to make you and also

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<v Speaker 1>be ashamed or embarrassed about it. So we're gonna transfer over.

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<v Speaker 1>I have this segment this entitled shed Light Onto shed

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<v Speaker 1>Light on This, And basically it's a segment where'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>give you a scenario, right, and it's gonna have a

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<v Speaker 1>character who's dealing with the situation and they don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to handle it dthing, and that's where you come in.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just want you to come up with whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like the solution is that you feel will

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<v Speaker 1>work best based on the situation that this character's in.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically there it's your advice. So don't trimp, don't sweat,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's no right or wrong answer. So are you

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<v Speaker 1>ready to give some knowledge about your life experience? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>I am? Are you listening alright? So Danielle is a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six year old expecting mother. She is currently two

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<v Speaker 1>months pregnant and this will be her first child. Danielle

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<v Speaker 1>is not in contact with the person that got her pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>She has the love and support of her parents and friends,

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<v Speaker 1>but she is still anxious about the pregnancy process. Her

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<v Speaker 1>best friend, Jasmin, suggested that she finds a birth through

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<v Speaker 1>lot to get her through their pregnancy, but Danielle can

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<v Speaker 1>be very stubborn, often refused to ask for help even

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<v Speaker 1>once she were needs it. She pushed back on Jasmine's

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<v Speaker 1>advice because all the people she knows who have given

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<v Speaker 1>birth never had a dula. She also doesn't think she

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<v Speaker 1>can afford one. Jasmin told Danielle that it won't hurt

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<v Speaker 1>to try out, try it out, but Danielle is still insure, Sarah,

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<v Speaker 1>can you help this some light on this? Yes, So, I,

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<v Speaker 1>as a doula, will always recommend that people have a

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<v Speaker 1>doula point blank period because there is a level of

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<v Speaker 1>extra hug that you need a little little extra like

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<v Speaker 1>security blanket of someone that's there for you, that you

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<v Speaker 1>can rely on, and just knowing that you have that

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<v Speaker 1>is going to make you feel more comfortable and confident

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<v Speaker 1>navigating the journey. So doula care can be expensive. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>also say that ultimately it's worth it because you have

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<v Speaker 1>to think of it as an investment, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>an investment in your birth, your baby, your process, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's very person specific, very tailored to what each person needs.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's never a time where I will not recommend

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<v Speaker 1>do look here. But with that being said, I hear

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<v Speaker 1>Danielle's concerns. You know, it's hard to ask for help,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you worry about affording one. Most dula's, like myself,

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<v Speaker 1>work on a sliding scale, so we offer a range

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, price points that people can choose based

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<v Speaker 1>on their own ability. And I also, you know, utilize

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<v Speaker 1>payment plans, so it's not a burden to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to have care during pregnancy. You know, ultimately most of

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<v Speaker 1>us are in this work not to make a buck,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, Like it's it's it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sad actually, how devalued like financially do look here

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<v Speaker 1>is so the state of California is like trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do this big integration of doulas into medical and what

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<v Speaker 1>that looks like is dula's having to work and basically

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<v Speaker 1>become registered and work with physicians in order to get

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<v Speaker 1>like someone to sign off or like to approve their

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<v Speaker 1>hours and stuff. And I'm really concerned about that because

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<v Speaker 1>doulas are community members. You know, we're not bound to

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<v Speaker 1>a code of ethics. We are not bound to a

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<v Speaker 1>medical board. We don't have licenses that can be revoked.

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<v Speaker 1>We are community members who have answered a calling and

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<v Speaker 1>have shown up for people. And I fear that with

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<v Speaker 1>the regulation like this increase in this desire to regulate

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<v Speaker 1>and professionalize UM do LA care, that ultimately it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to center the most privileged, you know, the white du lahs,

1:17:04.080 --> 1:17:08.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, who can take on all these clients with

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<v Speaker 1>medical like through medical because they will work with a

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<v Speaker 1>physician that will you know, give them their signatures that

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<v Speaker 1>they need UM and then we have a disparity there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean a lot of people, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>just don't want to work with UM or under a

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<v Speaker 1>medical person. And that's well within our rights as dulas,

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<v Speaker 1>like we are not medical personnel. We are comfortable. Well

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's where our power is is that we're not

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<v Speaker 1>there for the medicine. We're there for the medicine that's

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<v Speaker 1>in here, you know, like we're really there to to

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<v Speaker 1>be there to hold and most most often you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to get that holding in that care

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<v Speaker 1>from your provider because of the way that maternal health

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<v Speaker 1>care structured in the United States. It's so I would

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<v Speaker 1>really hope that Danielle would, you know, feel comfortable. I

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<v Speaker 1>also have an awesome DULA friend named Jasmine, so I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, that is so funny. And she's from Alabama.

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<v Speaker 1>She went to University of Alabama and she's actually gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be going back saying. Is the doulah field very diverse? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>It depends. So me, I did not go to a

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<v Speaker 1>training where there were a lot of white people. I

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<v Speaker 1>was trained by an organization called the Birthworkers of Color Collective.

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<v Speaker 1>We are you know, we're people of color. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>catering towards UM, a white birthing demographic. But there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of UM racial inequality in the birthwork field. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see a lot of times UM white presenting or

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<v Speaker 1>white adjacent or white people getting UM recognize for work

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<v Speaker 1>that they're not necessarily doing. You know, they're getting grants

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<v Speaker 1>for communities that they're not necessarily a part of UM

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, a lot of white people like to

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<v Speaker 1>do diversity work. You know, they like to work with

1:19:12.439 --> 1:19:15.360
<v Speaker 1>people of color, teen moms, poor people. That makes that

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<v Speaker 1>diversity inclosion. But I mean, there's a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 1>us who are from those communities, so kind of would

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<v Speaker 1>make sense for us to support our community members. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, but you know, some of them don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that way, so it is interesting. But I have a

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<v Speaker 1>really really strong kind of community and network of black

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<v Speaker 1>and brown dulas and birth workers of color, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm comfortable and that's where I'm staying. I heard

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of that. I didn't have to be

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<v Speaker 1>here for a minute. But one other thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>think would be so important just for us a young

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<v Speaker 1>mother that's about to go on there to give birth,

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<v Speaker 1>for that father that is accompanying his wife, his girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>his significant other, for anybody that is walking in the

1:19:59.600 --> 1:20:03.799
<v Speaker 1>room or experiencing themselves walking the room or can pushed

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<v Speaker 1>in there about to give birth. What are the things

1:20:06.080 --> 1:20:07.519
<v Speaker 1>that they should think about? If you could give like

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<v Speaker 1>a checklist or just say, hey, keep these things in

1:20:10.320 --> 1:20:13.479
<v Speaker 1>my while giving birth, preparing for birth, or anywhere in

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<v Speaker 1>between the process, what would you say? You know what

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<v Speaker 1>your boundaries are. You have to do a very deep

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<v Speaker 1>inventory and check in with yourself about what your pregnancy

1:20:27.240 --> 1:20:29.599
<v Speaker 1>should look like for you. You know who you want

1:20:29.680 --> 1:20:32.000
<v Speaker 1>to be around you during your pregnancy who you don't

1:20:32.040 --> 1:20:35.040
<v Speaker 1>want to be around. Um, there's a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>that we have, you know, stressful people in our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want all the extra stress. You don't want

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<v Speaker 1>all the extra stress when you're pregnant. Um. I tell

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<v Speaker 1>people to look at the way that their home is

1:20:49.120 --> 1:20:52.639
<v Speaker 1>set up. Physically. You may need to adjust some things.

1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:57.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, you may need to move some chairs closer

1:20:57.400 --> 1:20:59.679
<v Speaker 1>to your bed. You know, you may be getting a crib.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to physically orient your space for a new

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<v Speaker 1>person to come in. And I would also say that

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<v Speaker 1>this goes back to having boundaries. Is I know what

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<v Speaker 1>you are comfortable with and know the risk, okay, because

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<v Speaker 1>this is an experience for your health care, so that

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<v Speaker 1>you can be happy and health Yes. And also it's

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<v Speaker 1>like we become desensitized because we think it's a medical

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<v Speaker 1>thing to be managed, but it's people give birth every

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<v Speaker 1>day and it's an experience. Sir out inhailed you for

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<v Speaker 1>quite some time. Should I pull out of time in

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<v Speaker 1>the body. It's not necessary, all right, I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>so much. Okay. Last thing, so here there are terms

1:21:57.840 --> 1:22:01.520
<v Speaker 1>that relates to you in your life line. So specifically

1:22:01.560 --> 1:22:03.479
<v Speaker 1>to you. Not. The thing that makes it interesting about

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<v Speaker 1>the terms in here is that, say, if you were

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<v Speaker 1>a basketball player, you're a ref. Always give this example.

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<v Speaker 1>So get used to it, y'all. Say, if you are

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<v Speaker 1>a basketball player, ref, there may be a term in

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<v Speaker 1>their pivot because that is a movement, a term in basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>But just as you pivot on the court like you

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<v Speaker 1>are turned, sometimes you gotta pivot in life. You see

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<v Speaker 1>the double entire there? Okay, good, So in here, like

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying, the words that relate to you, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>tell us what they mean and then how they can

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<v Speaker 1>be used to inspire somebody. Okay, says I think you're

1:22:36.920 --> 1:22:40.040
<v Speaker 1>catching it, while I think it's like all right, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get this going. Okay, Okay, here we go. Okay, life,

1:22:49.479 --> 1:22:55.400
<v Speaker 1>it's life. It just says life. Um, I would probably

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<v Speaker 1>say that it's the very very small parts of life

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<v Speaker 1>that through this work I've begun to appreciate. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever seen a baby, realized that a window is

1:23:09.439 --> 1:23:13.800
<v Speaker 1>a window, and realized the outside is outside, you feel

1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:17.360
<v Speaker 1>like you're watching the shortest and most amazing movie of

1:23:17.439 --> 1:23:21.720
<v Speaker 1>all time because you're literally watching like a human, you know,

1:23:22.600 --> 1:23:25.320
<v Speaker 1>a real life human that needs a lot of nurturing

1:23:25.400 --> 1:23:29.599
<v Speaker 1>and care, like understand that, like this is the world

1:23:30.400 --> 1:23:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and they are inside a box and it is so interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, sometimes they cry, sometimes they scream, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's how life can be. Sometimes. You know you want

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<v Speaker 1>to cry. You want to scream in your box too.

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<v Speaker 1>But the growth is always there. M yeah, And if

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<v Speaker 1>you just keep on living, you're gonna keep on growing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. Just keep on keeping on because if it

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<v Speaker 1>isn't over, it's not all right, then it's not all right.

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<v Speaker 1>It isn't catch it all right? Sir? Where can they

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<v Speaker 1>follow you? Um on social media? Do you have any

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<v Speaker 1>future projects you want people to know about? Tell us

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<v Speaker 1>all the good stuff? Okay, so yes, you can follow

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<v Speaker 1>me on social media. I ran an Instagram count called

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<v Speaker 1>Tales of a Dye, which I can I can send

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<v Speaker 1>you or you have access to and I can. What

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<v Speaker 1>is that? Oh my gosh, I thought that was day

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<v Speaker 1>like Dawn did die? Yes, So, a dye is the

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<v Speaker 1>traditional term that we use in a lot of South

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<v Speaker 1>Asian communities to describe a birth attendant. So it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like my tales. That's why I call it, Like

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<v Speaker 1>the tales of my journey because I want to show

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<v Speaker 1>other people that becoming a midwife, becoming someone that works

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<v Speaker 1>in community healthcare is something that we can do. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of barriers to starting in this field or

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<v Speaker 1>like getting a career in this field, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>especially being a younger person, Like I don't want people

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<v Speaker 1>to think that midwives are only people that are like older.

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<v Speaker 1>They have to you know, like the role of a grandmother,

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<v Speaker 1>Like no, we can we can be whatever we want

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<v Speaker 1>to be. Yeah, so you can follow me there. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm working on a abortion do look Collective so in

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<v Speaker 1>a national abortion do look collected to train abortion do

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<v Speaker 1>lias so? Um. Information will be posted on my Instagram soon. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's exciting, you know, let me just call me. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I keep talking and I think that there is a negative.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course it is because that's why people are opposed

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<v Speaker 1>stigmas into abortion. Because when you said abortion and you

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<v Speaker 1>smiled at me, I saw a bloody image of a

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<v Speaker 1>baby mm hmm. And that's just being transparent. And it

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<v Speaker 1>could be any situation of who knows, it could be

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<v Speaker 1>a still birthday, could be anything like you said. But

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<v Speaker 1>my mind was, you know, in conflicence. We've been smiling

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<v Speaker 1>at that, right because I'm like, wow, is with the

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<v Speaker 1>abortion happened? Is right? But because that's all we've been taught.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all we've been taught. We are taught that it

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<v Speaker 1>is an uncommon, extremely difficult procedure that is so emotionally intense.

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<v Speaker 1>It's taught exactly. We're not taught that medication abortion is

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<v Speaker 1>safer than going for a drive, attending a frat party,

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<v Speaker 1>or even carrying a pregnancy to term. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not taught these statistics, so that medication abortion is safer

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<v Speaker 1>than taile and all you know that it has an

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<v Speaker 1>efficacy rate that's higher than birth control. So we we

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<v Speaker 1>are with informations withheld from us where miss we're miseducated intentionally. Gosh, Donnard, Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for that information. Check it out tells of

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<v Speaker 1>a die hope. Yes, you did say, it's like this

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, yeah, all right, and what else we got?

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<v Speaker 1>So I gave you a guide from we testify about

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<v Speaker 1>how to use medication abortion pills. Yeah, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>information that's publicly available through the World Health Organization and

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<v Speaker 1>this is just information sharing, So you know this is

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<v Speaker 1>not encouraging anyone to do anything. It just letting you

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<v Speaker 1>know their options, hearing that people like you with the

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<v Speaker 1>same mindset exists. And when you're not alone, you're not alone.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you have information, you can make informed choices,

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<v Speaker 1>and informed consent is always the goal. So yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's what you're working one next, and is there

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<v Speaker 1>any other way that we can support you? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>just start talking about the things that matter. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's really great that more and more people

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<v Speaker 1>that that don't necessarily do this work are interested about it.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to necessarily want to do it. You

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<v Speaker 1>can just be like what's up with that? You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Like like I want to know about that?

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<v Speaker 1>You just want to know. So listen. If you like

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<v Speaker 1>Joe and you want to know, you better go follow

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Okay on all of her social media and tell

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<v Speaker 1>somebody about her because there are people who need to

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<v Speaker 1>know how important it is or who needs support. Because hell,

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<v Speaker 1>she was talking about me in a duel and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking myself my mom transitioned over ten years ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>with the support that she says that a duly can offer,

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine that could be a comfort of me,

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<v Speaker 1>along with my sister, along with my family, but just

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<v Speaker 1>that person that you can just exhale with, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because birth isn't experience, gosh darn it, and life be life,

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<v Speaker 1>and it'd be nice to just life life, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think ultimately it feels unnatural for us to

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<v Speaker 1>have to experience so much pain alone because we're not

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<v Speaker 1>meant to experience those things alone. You know, We're meant

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<v Speaker 1>to be wrapped up in our community, any people that

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<v Speaker 1>it can hold us and care for us when when

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<v Speaker 1>we need that health care period period. There we go. Okay, y'all, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's about time to head out of year.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you feel inspired. I hope you got something

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<v Speaker 1>from it. You know. That's what it's about. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>where about shedding light. Now, if you'd like to be

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<v Speaker 1>a guest on the show, uh, you can go ahead

1:29:23.600 --> 1:29:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and send us email Vitamin D at Dawn day Speaks

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<v Speaker 1>dot com, or if you have an idea for a topic,

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<v Speaker 1>he'll I didn't know I was gonna have a dulo

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<v Speaker 1>on talking about all this good stuff, but it was good, right. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You may also need some advice, you know, your love,

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<v Speaker 1>your career, ask for rations, how you feeling whatever? Have you?

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<v Speaker 1>Email me Vitamin D at dawn day speaks dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you know I always say, so, I'm gonna remind

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<v Speaker 1>you again, what do I say? If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be better and you want to do better, you have

1:29:52.800 --> 1:29:54.519
<v Speaker 1>to be able to see better. So know that when

1:29:54.520 --> 1:29:57.800
<v Speaker 1>you're writing me and I'm giving you my response, it

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<v Speaker 1>may not always be the thing that you want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear here. But I just want to let you be

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<v Speaker 1>able to see so that you can make an inform

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<v Speaker 1>decision right, give you you another perspective to see it right, No,

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<v Speaker 1>that it's coming out of love. Furthermore, if you still listen,

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<v Speaker 1>that means that you enjoyed this. So can't you tell

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<v Speaker 1>somebody to tell somebody else to tell somebody else that

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<v Speaker 1>do on Day? Got a podcast and it's called Vitamin

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<v Speaker 1>D with Dawn Day, and it's available wherever. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say somewhere. I didn't say over there. I didn't say

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<v Speaker 1>just on my heart er, Apple or Spotify. I said

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere you get your favorite podcasts. Okay, and me in

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<v Speaker 1>the world to me, you process my dream and while

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<v Speaker 1>you're at it, go ahead and rate it. You see

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<v Speaker 1>the stars up there, go a hand and hit five

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<v Speaker 1>and make a little calm and say something that you

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<v Speaker 1>liked about it or maybe some adjustments. Just say something

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody can make it informed decision to check us out. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing, if you want to see this beautiful young

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<v Speaker 1>ladies that I'm looking at, go ahead and follow us

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<v Speaker 1>on on social media. Vitamin d Doing Day. We our clips.

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<v Speaker 1>We got excerpts on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, fan Bay,

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<v Speaker 1>Pinterest wherever. However, tres y'all side, So check us out. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And now if you want some invitamin do you know

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<v Speaker 1>the original source that be me? You can find them

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<v Speaker 1>follow with me personally at Dawn Day Speaks. Okay, now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm out of here for real. You know I always

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<v Speaker 1>say I'm in the business and making dreams come true,

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<v Speaker 1>and a damn sure ain't gonna forget about mine. So

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<v Speaker 1>until next time, you know, I always say you like

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<v Speaker 1>your greatest asset, peace, get the inviteminy right with me

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<v Speaker 1>and get excited about your lives.