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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mentioned it on a couple of shows, including
Speaker 2: I just finished a live stream on the Dynasty YouTube channel,
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Speaker 2: myself and Bogman, I was just talking a little bit
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Speaker 2: dynasty market values here and not overpaying and everything, but
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Speaker 4: these are absorbitent rents and like ridiculous amounts. My jaw
Speaker 4: is always hitting the floor when people say what they pay.
Speaker 4: But then again, when you rent, you don't have to
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Speaker 2: I generally have liked being a homeowner. This is the
Speaker 2: first time I have really not liked. This is the
Speaker 2: first real, like serious hit. And yeah, thank thankfully they
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Speaker 2: know what I'd do. So that's my SOB story for everybody.
Speaker 2: I'm currently recording this in a house that's like eighty
Speaker 2: seven degrees, doing the best I can to power through.
Speaker 2: We can go ahead and jump into the show here.
Speaker 2: This is the trade block, our monthly show. We obviously
Speaker 2: do it the first Tuesday of the month, which was
Speaker 2: last week because I was still on vacation, so we
Speaker 2: pushed it back week and are doing it today. We'll
Speaker 2: go through the first half of the episode just kind
Speaker 2: of generally reacting to the updated Dynasty trade value chart
Speaker 2: that was updated on July first, so a little longer
Speaker 2: ago than usual, but obviously still pretty relevant. Not much
Speaker 2: has happened between then and now, and then the second
Speaker 2: half of the show, we will take all of your questions,
Speaker 2: whether calling you up on stage or in the chat.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and kick things off with the quarterbacks
Speaker 2: as all always fits. You know, again this time of year,
Speaker 2: not as much on the movement side, so you know,
Speaker 2: rather than asking questions about where guys are moving, I
Speaker 2: more just want to kind of take a look at
Speaker 2: where they are right now. I actually just talked to
Speaker 2: Bogman in the last stream about Lamar a little bit.
Speaker 2: Somebody was asking about trading Lamar away for neighbors in
Speaker 2: a super Flex league, and you know, we were pretty
Speaker 2: against that in super Flex, you know, not just with
Speaker 2: neighbors as injury, but just Lamar, you know, is an
Speaker 2: elite asset. And I was like, yeah, it's like one
Speaker 2: of the top three guys in our trade value chart.
Speaker 2: And I went to go look and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it turns out his fourth. I didn't realize he was
Speaker 2: a little bit lower. But do you still feel like
Speaker 2: Lamar is the type of guy that should be warranting
Speaker 2: a huge haul in return. I mean, I was surprised
Speaker 2: to hear that a trade like Lamar for neighbors, even
Speaker 2: though I love neighbors, but like an injured wide receiver
Speaker 2: to me in a super Flex I was surprised that
Speaker 2: that was even on the table.
Speaker 4: I was too, especially so right now I'm in the
Speaker 4: middle of a dynasty startup, so it's kind of giving
Speaker 4: me perspective on values, and I was shocked. I mean,
Speaker 4: I have Lamar ranked third overall in super Flex Dynasty
Speaker 4: QB three.
Speaker 3: Obviously he went twelve.
Speaker 4: He went at the end of the first round, all
Speaker 4: the way to the turn and in the startup now,
Speaker 4: neighbors didn't go till two to eleven. So yes, clearly
Speaker 4: Lamar's is valued more than neighbors, and I got neighbors
Speaker 4: by the way. Yeah, I was just I was shocked
Speaker 4: that Lamar fell that far baffling to me. It is
Speaker 4: it is I just like our people, that's spooked by
Speaker 4: last year, which was so obviously injury related.
Speaker 3: I know he's not.
Speaker 4: Like young prime anymore, but I feel like he's mid
Speaker 4: to late not even late prime. I feel like he's
Speaker 4: mid prime right now. So I'm surprised, right, he's not
Speaker 4: even thirty right right, So I don't know. I feel
Speaker 4: like he's got at least two or three more seasons
Speaker 4: of prime.
Speaker 2: Twelfth, Like in a league with me, he's not getting
Speaker 2: past pick four. I like, I just I find that crazy.
Speaker 2: Like he is still in his twenties. He was, it
Speaker 2: was a really small sample size, but he was still
Speaker 2: elite before the injury last year. The injury just happened
Speaker 2: in Week three, so most of the year wasn't very good,
Speaker 2: but we wanted two. He was his usual excellent self.
Speaker 2: He has never not won an MVP in his first
Speaker 2: year with a new play caller. He has a new
Speaker 2: play caller this year. I'm just like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what there is. Like I totally get Josh Allen being ahead,
Speaker 2: and I totally get Drake may the age difference, but
Speaker 2: like it's hard for me to really see him being
Speaker 2: too low. So again I was surprised by that. I
Speaker 2: still think he's one of those Tier one super flex
Speaker 2: startup types values, So I just wanted to kind of
Speaker 2: mention that one here.
Speaker 4: I think there are two ways of looking at dynasty value.
Speaker 4: There's like the dynasty value what you produced during the season,
Speaker 4: and then you know right now worth the stage where
Speaker 4: your dynasty value is what the market says it is.
Speaker 4: And I feel like there is a gap between what
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson is going to produce this fall and what
Speaker 4: the market is saying his value is.
Speaker 1: We can go quickly through some of these names.
Speaker 2: What I want to do with the quarterbacks is there's
Speaker 2: a bunch of guys who are tied in our trade
Speaker 2: value chart. I want you to break the tie on them,
Speaker 2: so we don't need like deep diving all of them
Speaker 2: because there's a few different pairs here, but because we'll
Speaker 2: quickly throw them at you breaking some of these ties.
Speaker 2: Right at the very top, Drake May and Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: I've got Drake May higher. I just like that.
Speaker 4: He immediately looked like one of the best pure passers
Speaker 4: in the league last year, and he's much younger.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and Caleb Williams are tied.
Speaker 4: I've got Caleb ranked higher. Give me the guy with
Speaker 4: a little bit of mobility. Obviously, Burrow's a much better
Speaker 4: pure passer, but Caleb Ron's than also younger, and Burrow's
Speaker 4: injury history is a little concerning.
Speaker 2: So far, you've taken the much younger guy both times. Unsurprising.
Speaker 2: Herbert and Mahomes are tied in the trade value chart.
Speaker 4: I like Herbert more. I just I think Mahomes will
Speaker 4: probably age well. But you know, the Kansas City offense
Speaker 4: has not been what it was earlier in his career
Speaker 4: when he was averaging like three hundred passing yards a game.
Speaker 4: They've been like twenty second in the last two years
Speaker 4: in yards per play, So I'm a little worried about that,
Speaker 4: And just seems like things are pointing.
Speaker 2: Up for Herbert Lawrence and Dart Lawrence.
Speaker 3: For me, Dart still has a lot to prove.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Purdy and bo Nicks.
Speaker 3: I have Purdy ranked higher.
Speaker 4: Bownicks averaged six point four yards per pass attempt last year. Like,
Speaker 4: I still don't know if he's actually good. He threw
Speaker 4: the most passes in the league last year and still
Speaker 4: didn't have four thousand passing yards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Strout and Schuck.
Speaker 3: That's close.
Speaker 4: I've got Strout a little higher, but that's very debatable.
Speaker 1: Just two more four year at Baker and Sam Darnald.
Speaker 4: I have Darnald a little bit higher.
Speaker 2: And then a three way tie between Malik Willis, Kyler Murray,
Speaker 2: and Bryce Young.
Speaker 4: Willis, Murray and Young. I just no interest in Bryce Young.
Speaker 4: I think this is his last year as a starter
Speaker 4: in all likelihood.
Speaker 3: Kyler, who knows if it's his last year as a starter.
Speaker 4: He's got to have a compelling audition with the Vikings
Speaker 4: this year, and then, like Willis, hopefully they give him
Speaker 4: enough leash where they don't hold the terrible pass catching
Speaker 4: core against him.
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks for bearing with me.
Speaker 2: There were more ties than I realized when I was
Speaker 2: started doing that. There's a lot of them there. I said,
Speaker 2: that was kind of interesting to kind of put a
Speaker 2: bunch of head to heads. Given how many there were,
Speaker 2: let's go down to the running backs here fits. But
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Speaker 2: backs now again, you know, not the most changes here.
Speaker 2: I'll kind of you know, kick it to you. Is
Speaker 2: there a name that you want to start with that
Speaker 2: you think is kind of interesting? Where they are ranked
Speaker 2: in the chart right now.
Speaker 4: We're continuing to see steam for Jonathan Brooks, who's up
Speaker 4: to running back thirty, just on the optimism like if
Speaker 4: this second ACL repair that they sound very confident in
Speaker 4: if this takes, he could be lead running back this year,
Speaker 4: which is interesting because he's young. He's only twenty two
Speaker 4: and yeah, like double ACL tears, that's terrifying. But a
Speaker 4: guy who could potentially be a lead running back going
Speaker 4: this cheap, and so he's starting to get a little
Speaker 4: less cheap. I think people are realizing the potential. And
Speaker 4: he's also saw some upward movement for Rashad White, who
Speaker 4: I think people realize it's kind of a pretty meaty
Speaker 4: role with the Commanders this year, like passing down stuff
Speaker 4: for sure, maybe some early down stuff too.
Speaker 3: Those are the guys that kind of jump out to.
Speaker 2: Me Brooks like, you know, sneaky, twenty two years old.
Speaker 2: I like him and I want to be trying to
Speaker 2: acquire him. I think it's I think his price point
Speaker 2: is really interesting right now. To your point about it's
Speaker 2: kind of going up, I wonder where it will settle
Speaker 2: before the season starts. In terms of Dynasty, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: convinced he is going to go up rapidly in redraft.
Speaker 2: He's like RB forty in real draft, and I think
Speaker 2: that's going to rise as we get closer to the season,
Speaker 2: barring something unforeseen. But in dynasty, I'm really curious whether
Speaker 2: it's going to settle in whether in terms of picks
Speaker 2: or another player. RB thirty is like maybe already like
Speaker 2: higher than I'm comfortable like spending up for right, Like
Speaker 2: maybe I would pay market value for him. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I would want to aggressively target him at
Speaker 2: that price point, but he is a guy that I
Speaker 2: believe in as having real upside and is I think
Speaker 2: going to get an opportunity. And it's been a long
Speaker 2: time since that second injury, so maybe it's been enough
Speaker 2: to recover. So I think he's one of the more
Speaker 2: fascinating names here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I feel like if you want to get him,
Speaker 4: now is the time to do it, because it is
Speaker 4: only going to take a few videos of him looking
Speaker 4: good running around tires in training camp for his stock
Speaker 4: to get steamed up. Like a couple videos is all
Speaker 4: it's going to take, and all of a sudden, he's
Speaker 4: going like his ADP and redraft has gone up half around. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We had a question in the other stream about a
Speaker 2: contender week at running back trading for Josh Jacobs. What
Speaker 2: do you think a fair deal is for Jacobs right now?
Speaker 2: Given the off field stuff that has been happening. He's
Speaker 2: in his late twenties, you know, but it's still you know,
Speaker 2: when when healthy and on the field and given the opportunity,
Speaker 2: he's been very productive. What do you think about Jacobs
Speaker 2: for a contending team at these days? He's alreably twenty
Speaker 2: four by the way on this list.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to do it in terms of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six rookie value because a lot of people
Speaker 4: have already had their drafts. I think it's like a
Speaker 4: second in twenty twenty seven, you know, early to mid second,
Speaker 4: and we maybe have him valued closer to early second.
Speaker 4: It's worth noting that the little town in northeast Wisconsin,
Speaker 4: you know, where he was arrested for this domestic incident.
Speaker 4: Like they're still investigating the case. It has not been closed,
Speaker 4: but there's been no word on charges, and like I
Speaker 4: kind of get the feeling it's just going to disappear.
Speaker 4: And I don't think he's going to incur any sort
Speaker 4: of suspension if there are no charges forthcoming, So I
Speaker 4: think he's still.
Speaker 3: Going to be the guy.
Speaker 4: And like he has averaged pretty close to a touchdown
Speaker 4: a game since he joined the Packers two years ago,
Speaker 4: and I think the last year the Packers didn't have
Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs, Jordan Love finished QB five in fantasy scoring
Speaker 4: and he has not sniffed QB one territory since then.
Speaker 4: They like to give Jacobs the ball. Matt Lafleur is
Speaker 4: one of the better run game designers in the league.
Speaker 4: I was just thinking the other day about how good
Speaker 4: their running game looked after two years ago, after Jordan
Speaker 4: Love got injured in that Brazil game to open the
Speaker 4: season and they had to send out Malik Willis for
Speaker 4: a couple of games. Matt Lafleur was so in his
Speaker 4: bag with the run game play calling in that like
Speaker 4: some of the design stuff was just amazed, and like
Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs was ripping off these big chunk runs. I'm
Speaker 4: excited about that. Jacobs was banged up for a lot
Speaker 4: of last season. A healthy Josh Jacobs still a very
Speaker 4: impactful fantasy running back, so I do think he's worth
Speaker 4: a two, you know, if not like a real early two.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One more running back here.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about Jerium Price, another guy
Speaker 2: that we got questions on in the last stream, and
Speaker 2: there was a question about trading him for a mid
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven first. It was described as mid to
Speaker 2: late twenty twenty seven first. Okay, no on giving up
Speaker 2: the first or no on giving up Price.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't give up a late first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to get you that's what I thought, you mad.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to clarify.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So the track record people like you can't
Speaker 4: keep first round running backs together when you like parse out.
Speaker 4: The track record of these guys. First round running backs
Speaker 4: drafted one through twelve over the last eight years have
Speaker 4: been like the hit or not eight years, twelve years,
Speaker 4: eleven years. Since twenty fifteen, there have been eight guys
Speaker 4: drafted top twelve and twelve.
Speaker 2: Years, right if you include this year as the twelve Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, twelve if you include the season that's about
Speaker 4: to play out. But the hit rate has been fantastic
Speaker 4: on those guys, just generally. Probably the only guy who
Speaker 4: didn't really work out over the long run was Leonard Fournett,
Speaker 4: and even Fournette had some nice seasons. You had McCaffrey,
Speaker 4: You've got Gibbs, Bijon, Robinson, Jenty yet to go Ezekiel
Speaker 4: Elliott who smashed a lot of hits in there, but
Speaker 4: later in the round first runt picks maybe not as good.
Speaker 4: You get Rashad Penny in there, and like, that's the
Speaker 4: obvious comparison to make. What if Zach Charbonet is the
Speaker 4: Chris Carson to Genarian prices? You know, Charbonet is Penny
Speaker 4: or wait, oh man, am I mixing up this metaphor
Speaker 4: Charbonet is Chris Carson. Genarian price is for Seoan Penny. Like,
Speaker 4: I don't know that Genarian price is better than Zach Sharboney.
Speaker 3: I think Charbona is pretty good. So I'm a little.
Speaker 4: Less into Genarian price than a lot of other people are. Plus,
Speaker 4: we just don't know how good he is based on
Speaker 4: his college track record, because he was always Jeremiah loves
Speaker 4: backup and he does like this passes.
Speaker 2: I'm really in on price for this year. I think
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about Sharboney with as late as I
Speaker 2: expect him to come back and need time to kind
Speaker 2: of get back into things. Like, I'm very in on
Speaker 2: Price this year, and yet I still would rather have
Speaker 2: any twenty twenty seven first than Price, even though I
Speaker 2: expect Price to have a good year where his value
Speaker 2: in a vacuum will rise. I just think the class
Speaker 2: is good enough that i'd rather take the swing, especially
Speaker 2: if there's a chance it's more like a mid first
Speaker 2: next Those mid first next year are going to be awesome,
Speaker 2: so I would want to take that swing, even though
Speaker 2: I like Price more than you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, digga, All right.
Speaker 2: Let's look at the receivers here fits. I mean, I
Speaker 2: keep repeating myself, but not a ton of changes here.
Speaker 2: One guy who actually has moved up a little is
Speaker 2: Luther Burden. He's been kind of one of the more
Speaker 2: interesting guys that folks have talked about this offseason. He's
Speaker 2: now tied for sixteenth on this list with Jordan Tyson
Speaker 2: and Ladd McConkie, just ahead of mackay Lemon, Devonte Smith,
Speaker 2: Roma Doonza, and a few points behind Chris Olave, Nico
Speaker 2: Collins and Garrett Wilson. There's a little bit of a
Speaker 2: gap between the top fifteen and then sixteen in below.
Speaker 2: You have been the high man on Luther Burden. So
Speaker 2: are you feeling a little bit vindicated seeing him just
Speaker 2: slowly ever, so, you know, creeping up the rankings, or
Speaker 2: do you feel like, you know, you kind of planted
Speaker 2: your flag first here.
Speaker 1: What's your reaction to Burden moving up a bit.
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised.
Speaker 4: Just a young player playing in a really good offensive system,
Speaker 4: playing with a good quarterback, has an immediate path to
Speaker 4: like target growth. And we have seen, like it's not
Speaker 4: just our Dynasty Trade value chart, which is kind of
Speaker 4: powered by the rankings of me and Andrew ricksident Derek Brown.
Speaker 4: I've seen his probably come up on Keep Trade Cut,
Speaker 4: Dynasty Trade Calculator, some of the other you know, gauges
Speaker 4: of the market out there. So I do think there's
Speaker 4: growing enthusiasm for him.
Speaker 2: A guy ahead of him who didn't move in this update,
Speaker 2: but I still want to bring up his Carnel Tate.
Speaker 1: I like Tate a lot.
Speaker 2: There are some names behind him that I'm like a
Speaker 2: little nervous to have behind him, particularly like Nico Collins.
Speaker 1: I know there's like an age gap at this.
Speaker 2: Point between those two because Nico has been in the
Speaker 2: league a few years and came in older than Tate did.
Speaker 2: But I feel like the appeal of Tate is that
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be good right away, and
Speaker 2: I'm reasonably certain he's going to be a good player.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he has no ceiling.
Speaker 2: I like him a ton, but I almost would just
Speaker 2: prefer maybe the ceiling of a guy like Nico compared
Speaker 2: to Tate. I I'm surprised to see Tate given that
Speaker 2: he was considered a bit of a lesser receiving prospect
Speaker 2: than some of the elite guys that have come through lately,
Speaker 2: like you know, Marveat Harrison Junior as a prospect Milik Neighbors.
Speaker 2: It's not that it's we didn't like Tate, but you know,
Speaker 2: Teero McMillan another one that I thought came in with
Speaker 2: a little bit more hype than Tate, and so I
Speaker 2: was a little surprised to see Tate at eleven. Where
Speaker 2: do you have him ranked in Dynasty right now?
Speaker 4: I've got tits and I totally get what you're saying,
Speaker 4: and I feel like maybe I'm a little bit high
Speaker 4: on him. I've got Tate thirteenth and the one that
Speaker 4: I'm I'm going to change in time for the August trade.
Speaker 4: Value Charp, I've got him on spot ahead of George Pickens.
Speaker 4: And the funny thing is Pickens. The book on Pickens
Speaker 4: going into last year was sort of the same as
Speaker 4: the book on Tait. Downfield playmaker might not earn targets
Speaker 4: at uh, you know, alpha receiver rates, but he's going
Speaker 4: to make a lot of big plays and could maybe
Speaker 4: sort of grow into a bigger target chair That's exactly
Speaker 4: what happened with Pickens. Like still making a lot of
Speaker 4: plays downfield last year, but he started to get way
Speaker 4: more targets in a more aggressive passing offense after the
Speaker 4: move from Pittsburgh to Dallas. Plus he got a little
Speaker 4: boost from Ceedee Lamb missing some time and not being
Speaker 4: totally healthy for the entire season. But Pickens kind of
Speaker 4: expanded his role and showed he could do it. Why
Speaker 4: do we have Tate ahead of Pickens, the guy who
Speaker 4: showed out and showed he could take on a bigger
Speaker 4: role and still be pretty awesome.
Speaker 3: Whereas Tate.
Speaker 4: Was the number two in his own college program and
Speaker 4: now is we don't know if he can be an
Speaker 4: alpha receiver. Wouldn't surprise me if Wandale Robinson had more
Speaker 4: targets than Carnel Tate this year, and boy, I like
Speaker 4: pickens situation a lot more than Tate's situation, So I
Speaker 4: think I got to move Pickens ahead of Tate and
Speaker 4: might be more than just one spot ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're tied in the chart.
Speaker 2: We don't know. So if you look at the top twelve,
Speaker 2: like I would say, we know the east about Tate's
Speaker 2: quarterback of anybody else in the top twelve besides Justin Jefferson,
Speaker 2: who obviously, like we think, you know, it's probably gonna
Speaker 2: be Khyler and that maybe will be more certain this year,
Speaker 2: but there was some certain last year. The other guys
Speaker 2: like Chase has Burrow, jsn Iss, Sam Darnold, Puka has Stafford,
Speaker 2: Amena has Goff, you know, Ceedee Lamb as Dak Prescott,
Speaker 2: George Pickens as Dak Prescott, like like you could say,
Speaker 2: like Drake London, Like I don't know, I feel a
Speaker 2: little more sure about what we're gonna get when Pennix's
Speaker 2: and to our respectively are on the field as opposed
Speaker 2: to you know Ward. I like him Ward quite a bit,
Speaker 2: But it just feels like there's some uncertainty there quarterback
Speaker 2: that maybe some of these other guys in the top
Speaker 2: twelve don't have.
Speaker 4: Would you rather have Tate than either Lad mcconachie or
Speaker 4: Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 2: I have always been the guy who's a couple spots
Speaker 2: too high on Wilson, So I if Mike has I
Speaker 2: hesitate to not be overly aggressive in answering that because
Speaker 2: my initial reaction is that I would rather have Wilson,
Speaker 2: especially because there's only like a four year age, you know,
Speaker 2: age difference between them. I think Lad is properly ranked
Speaker 2: where he's at, which is eighteenth. I think you could
Speaker 2: justify putting up at like fifteen. I don't think he
Speaker 2: should be inside the top twelve, but it would not
Speaker 2: surprise me if he jumps in there this year with
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel and hopefully healthy offensive line and everything like that.
Speaker 2: So as I'm kind of talking through it, I do
Speaker 2: think I would rather have Lad.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's a tough one because I like the market would
Speaker 2: dictate that. It's not like when you're making trades, right,
Speaker 2: you have to pay attention to what guy's values are,
Speaker 2: and it would feel, based on the market that it
Speaker 2: wouldn't be very smart to trade away Tate for Lad
Speaker 2: but if I was on the clock in a startup
Speaker 2: in whatever round these guys are kind of going in
Speaker 2: this stretch of receivers, I think I might be inclined
Speaker 2: to take Lad over over Tate because I'm more confident
Speaker 2: in the quarterbacks certainly long term, I'm very confident in
Speaker 2: the offensive play caller for at least this year. Like
Speaker 2: the offensive environment is just so much better, and Ladd
Speaker 2: is a really good play who has had a great
Speaker 2: fantasy season before, especially if you count what he did
Speaker 2: in the playoffs and at the end of his rookie season,
Speaker 2: like like throwing in those stats, like what an exceptional
Speaker 2: first year. So I think I would prefer Lad, even
Speaker 2: though it feels like trading Tait for Lad would be
Speaker 2: a bad quote unquote value in a vacuum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there are some numbers that could sort
Speaker 4: of paint Lad as having a really disappointing twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: But man, the whole offense I felt like was just
Speaker 4: broken last year when the offensive line fell apart due
Speaker 4: to injury, well due to injury in the middle of
Speaker 4: the offensive line just being terrible. Yeah, So I do
Speaker 4: think it's close with all three guys, you know, a
Speaker 4: year ago would have been a no way would I
Speaker 4: have put Carnell Tate, a guy with that sort of
Speaker 4: rookie profile, ahead of Garrett Wilson. But it's like Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 4: we always said, oh, this guy's going to be great eventually,
Speaker 4: he's going to get a quarterback, and now he's kind
Speaker 4: of moving into the prime of his career and like
Speaker 4: still doesn't have that quarterback yet. I mean, I think
Speaker 4: Garret Wilson turns twenty six, like later this summer, before
Speaker 4: the season starts. It's like, man, what how old is
Speaker 4: he going to be before he's actually got his quarterback
Speaker 4: hopefully next year Arch Manning, Dante More or someone like that.
Speaker 3: But poor Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 4: I just don't want him to see him don't want
Speaker 4: to see him age out before he has a competent
Speaker 4: quarterback he can work with.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can value him as if he's
Speaker 2: definitely getting the quarterback next year, because we just don't know,
Speaker 2: and that's a tricky game. If he does get Arch Manning,
Speaker 2: I'll be very excited about him, even as a you know,
Speaker 2: about to be twenty seven year old.
Speaker 1: I think he'll give us.
Speaker 2: A few pretty good years still paired with a with
Speaker 2: an actually good rookie quarterback, if it have.
Speaker 4: I got him at forty seven overall in the Dynasty startup.
Speaker 4: I think that's good value. He was four pick four eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that you gonna say that's what late fourth?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it depends on who else on the board,
Speaker 1: But I think so.
Speaker 3: I'd like I think so too. I expected him to go, wait, he's.
Speaker 2: A good player, like he just needs the quarterback. He's
Speaker 2: a good player. So yep, i'd be in on that.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's look at the tight ends briefly here,
Speaker 2: and then we will get to some of the questions
Speaker 2: from the fine folks in the discord chat. I did
Speaker 2: notice that George Kittle got bumped up a bit. Is
Speaker 2: that like a degree of injury optimism? Is that just
Speaker 2: like feeling at least we know he's really good when
Speaker 2: he's healthy. Was that somebody else and not you? This
Speaker 2: is a collective collaborative effort here between you Ericson and Debro.
Speaker 2: Can you speak to Kittle moving up a bit? He's
Speaker 2: still tight end thirteen, but just rose in value.
Speaker 4: I think I bumped him spot or two, and I
Speaker 4: think some of the other guys. Most have too, because
Speaker 4: you know, for a three point value gain suggests that, yeah,
Speaker 4: the reports have been pretty positive that there's a realistic
Speaker 4: chance he'll be able to play, if not in that
Speaker 4: week one game in what Australia is that where they're
Speaker 4: playing the Rams.
Speaker 3: I think it's Australia.
Speaker 2: Yes, I believe it's Melbourne.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if.
Speaker 4: Not week one, then like week two, he's going to
Speaker 4: be ready to go because apparently there was some and
Speaker 4: I got to read up more in the injury, but
Speaker 4: apparently it wasn't as bad as the typical achilles tear.
Speaker 3: Because I forget what they said. It happened higher or
Speaker 3: something like.
Speaker 4: I don't want to speak on that unintelligently, unlike so
Speaker 4: many other things I speak unintelligently on. But I'm not
Speaker 4: sure there is some mitigating circumstance where they think it's
Speaker 4: a lesser Achilles tear, if that's possible.
Speaker 2: The gap increased slightly between Bowers and McBride at the top.
Speaker 2: I think I agree with that. Loveland stays where he is, third,
Speaker 2: Warren slight bump still in the same spot to a
Speaker 2: fourth he's Warren kind of stands alone a fourth. He's
Speaker 2: not that close to Loveland at three, but he's pretty
Speaker 2: far ahead of Tucker Craft at five. He's just kind
Speaker 2: of settled in as tight end four. Harold fannin excuse me,
Speaker 2: is tight end six? Kyle Pitts or Sam Laporta, they
Speaker 2: are very close. Pitts is just a hair ahead on
Speaker 2: the chart, but they're essentially tied in value tight end
Speaker 2: seven and tight end eight in a startup and maybe you,
Speaker 2: I don't know, if you came across a decision like
Speaker 2: this in the startup that you're a part of right now,
Speaker 2: would you prefer Pits or Laporta as your tight end.
Speaker 4: Pitts got picked about eight spots before I picked, and
Speaker 4: I picked Laporta in the same room.
Speaker 2: Okay, nice.
Speaker 4: I would draft Pits over Laporta. But Laporta was the
Speaker 4: last of the top eight tight ends to go, and
Speaker 4: I was glad to get him because I think there's
Speaker 4: a drop off after Laporta.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. It feels pretty you know,
Speaker 2: Laporta is at eight. Then Kenyon sid get nine. Now
Speaker 2: he's a top twenty pick, very athletic, reason to be interested,
Speaker 2: but he's a twenty one year old who went to
Speaker 2: the Jets, who hasn't done it before. Laporte has had
Speaker 2: an elite season, He's in a good offense, he's with
Speaker 2: a good quarterback there, and he's still young, he's twenty five.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of reasons I think that there.
Speaker 2: It feels like a gap between the top eight and
Speaker 2: the rest. So I like that any favorites late, you know,
Speaker 2: so it could be We've talked about about Chigaconquo that
Speaker 2: I like a lot Terrence Ferguson is up at tight
Speaker 2: end eighteen, you know, as a veteran. Mark Andrews, I
Speaker 2: like this year, you know, even looking later, like you know,
Speaker 2: just an upside swinging on a twenty three year old
Speaker 2: at gunner Helm or you know, Elijah Royo, Max Clair
Speaker 2: we talked about during Rooie drafts. Sy'son any names saying
Speaker 2: out to Greg Dulci if Erickson were on the show,
Speaker 2: would certainly talk about him. Any deep sleepers that you
Speaker 2: like in Dynasty, particularly at the tight end position.
Speaker 3: Those are all interesting names.
Speaker 4: The only guy I think is going to lose value
Speaker 4: from now to next year is Max Claire, because I
Speaker 4: think Max Clair is probably gonna have something close to
Speaker 4: a red shirt season where he just doesn't play that much.
Speaker 4: But the Rams glut of tight ends wouldn't be surprising
Speaker 4: if he were just inactive on game days and the.
Speaker 3: Other four guys play if they're healthy.
Speaker 4: Of all the guys you mentioned, I think the other Ram,
Speaker 4: Terrence Ferguson, is the most interesting, like just the way
Speaker 4: the Rams brass talks about him, the way he was
Speaker 4: I mean, like a big play tight end last year.
Speaker 4: I know he didn't have a lot of targets, not
Speaker 4: a lot of catches, but like he averaged what twenty
Speaker 4: one yards of catch or something. It was insane. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't be shocked if he made a big second year
Speaker 4: leap and wound up being basically the third most valuable
Speaker 4: pass catcher in this offense behind Puka and Davante, Like
Speaker 4: I think, especially with not much else at receiver, at
Speaker 4: least not much proven. I know, like you know, I
Speaker 4: think Kannada Mumfield is a good guy to spend your
Speaker 4: last roster spot on. And uh, you know, maybe it's
Speaker 4: Jordan Whittington or one of these other guys, But like
Speaker 4: I think Ferguson is really intriguing. Could be a guy
Speaker 4: who's climbs way up on this chart a year from
Speaker 4: now or less than a year from now.
Speaker 2: I talked on a redraft show earlier with deebro and
Speaker 2: Jake Seely about Terrence Ferguson, and we talked about how
Speaker 2: like basically he's very deep sleep where you can get
Speaker 2: a basically for free and redraft, but a tight end
Speaker 2: I think was thirty is like pretty I think, you know,
Speaker 2: there's real upside there in our chart. He's tight end
Speaker 2: eighteen in this Dynasty's different than redrafts of course, but
Speaker 2: like he's up at eighteen, so like they're clearly, at
Speaker 2: least within our staff is some interest in Ferguson in Dynasty,
Speaker 2: which I wholeheartedly endorse. I love him as a later
Speaker 2: you know, a cheaper guy you can try to target
Speaker 2: at tight end.
Speaker 4: Rams tight ends combined for over one hundred catches and
Speaker 4: seventeen touchdowns last year. We just need that consolidated amongst
Speaker 4: one or two, or maybe like a third guy chips
Speaker 4: in a little bit, just not.
Speaker 3: Four or five.
Speaker 2: He's the guy in the offense who has the best
Speaker 2: combination of affordable in trades or startup drafts and could
Speaker 2: be a top three target earner in the offense. Nobody
Speaker 2: else in the rams will give you that combination. So
Speaker 2: if we're talking about buying into that with a guy
Speaker 2: who loves tight ends and Sean McVay and the best
Speaker 2: offensive mind, like, that's pretty Only.
Speaker 4: He went two spots in front of me in this
Speaker 4: startup when I was intending to take him, and it
Speaker 4: hurt my soul.
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Speaker 2: let's get to some questions from our wonderful listeners. Let's
Speaker 2: start off with a couple that were written in the chat.
Speaker 2: We can always call folks up onto the stage. As
Speaker 2: well as more of those hands come up. Bunting couldn't
Speaker 2: make the chat today, so he dropped in chat just
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes early to drop in a question,
Speaker 2: what would you give up for a donsay in a rebuild?
Speaker 2: If anything, I think his talent has to come through eventually.
Speaker 2: I have a bunch of twenty seven firsts and lamb
Speaker 2: as my biggest pieces in the rebuild.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys.
Speaker 4: Our trade value chart says mid first. I feel like
Speaker 4: that's too high. Would you give up a late first
Speaker 4: for a doonsday? I feel like late first is the
Speaker 4: right price.
Speaker 2: My first attempt to trade for a doon Day would
Speaker 2: be a twenty eight first and say I don't even
Speaker 2: know where it's going to fall in the class, but
Speaker 2: if I can keep my twenty seven and get a donsday,
Speaker 2: I would do that. If they wouldn't take that, I
Speaker 2: do think I would trade a late first. I would
Speaker 2: have to be pretty confident it's late though, not one
Speaker 2: of these like, oh I think I'm going to contend
Speaker 2: and have a shot. I would want to be like,
Speaker 2: it's going to be tough for this pick to fall out,
Speaker 2: you know, inside the top nine, right, like I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't trade it with a pick that there is
Speaker 2: a reasonable chance of, oh, this actually ended up like
Speaker 2: the fourth or fifth pick, because that would that would
Speaker 2: scare me. So if I was really sure that this
Speaker 2: is going to be a late pick, because you never
Speaker 2: really know, then I think I would. I like a
Speaker 2: Duneesay a lot.
Speaker 4: In our chat k least shout out, k lest suggests
Speaker 4: that maybe if Bunting dealt Lamb, he could get oduonsay plus.
Speaker 4: I think from plus Lamb to Rome and what is
Speaker 4: the gap that bridges that? Like what a twenty twenty
Speaker 4: seven second bridge the gap?
Speaker 2: I don't know that it would for me a because
Speaker 2: I really like CD and I'm expecting a big year
Speaker 2: from him and B. I like there is still the
Speaker 2: element of Rome's foot that is a part of the
Speaker 2: equation where there's some injury question mark and some of
Speaker 2: the comments from him about you know, kind of a
Speaker 2: new normal and things like that. So I don't think
Speaker 2: I would for a second, maybe if I was certain
Speaker 2: it was a high second if we got to get
Speaker 2: into that game again. But but yeah, I really like
Speaker 2: a Dunsay, But I don't know that I want to
Speaker 2: you know, give up too much for him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't see how. I don't know if I'm
Speaker 4: as confident as you are that Lamb's gonna have a
Speaker 4: big year, Like I do think Pickens is a real
Speaker 4: problem for him. What if Christian Parker, the new DC
Speaker 4: in Dallas, makes this defense a lot better and the
Speaker 4: Cowboys aren't in as many shootouts. I've been having a
Speaker 4: rethink on Pickens, and I think I've been not giving
Speaker 4: him enough credit, and I worry that he could actually
Speaker 4: take a chunk out of Lamb's production.
Speaker 2: I just think Lamb's really good. It's not like he's
Speaker 2: old yet. I think Dak's really good. I think he's
Speaker 2: a good fit for CD. Like there's just so much
Speaker 2: to like about Cede Lamb that, you know, maybe I'm
Speaker 2: wrong about him having this awesome year, but I think
Speaker 2: he's still gonna be certainly really good. Whereas Rome, there
Speaker 2: is a much more plausible floor. I think, Yeah, fair,
Speaker 2: let's go to Big Ray coming off a two peet
Speaker 2: barely made it in last year, being the fourth of
Speaker 2: a fourteen bracket. Should I go do it for the
Speaker 2: dynasty or jump start to rebuild? If so, what moves
Speaker 2: should I make no taxi squad and only a twenty
Speaker 2: four man roster with two IR spots. He has this
Speaker 2: posted in the chat for those who are listening on audio. Later,
Speaker 2: I'll just read out some of these Lamar Jackson, brock Purty.
Speaker 2: By this way, this is a one QV league. Derrick Henry,
Speaker 2: Alvin Kamara, Christian McCaffrey, Lad McConkie, Davante Adams, Brock Bowers,
Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin. He does have looks like kind of his
Speaker 2: normal pick a lotment, you know, twelfth pick this year,
Speaker 2: his first next year, all that sort of stuff. So
Speaker 2: would you go for the three peat here fits or
Speaker 2: would you say, hey, I got the two championships, this
Speaker 2: team's older, with Henry and CMC and Kamara, it's time
Speaker 2: to kickstart a rebuild.
Speaker 3: Nope, I'm going for the three peat with this roster.
Speaker 4: Like he's got Derrick, Henry and CMC, and we know
Speaker 4: if you try to trade those guys you're just not
Speaker 4: going to get a great return on them because of
Speaker 4: the age and in CMC's case, the injury risk. DeVante
Speaker 4: Adams is another guy like that, but who can all
Speaker 4: be very helpful to you this year. Terry Chlorin on
Speaker 4: the wrong side of thirty. I think this is the
Speaker 4: perfect type of team to run it back with Ray,
Speaker 4: and like, if you want to just sort of stick
Speaker 4: one foot, I'd at least play out the start of
Speaker 4: the season, not trading off young assets, not trading off
Speaker 4: future draft picks. Just go in with this group and
Speaker 4: see what things are looking like after the first month
Speaker 4: or so, four weeks, five weeks. If you're four and
Speaker 4: one man, might be time to stop the accelerator. If
Speaker 4: you get some injuries and you're you know, two to
Speaker 4: three and you're you've got McConkie out for the season
Speaker 4: something like that or not maconkie, I meant CMC, Yeah,
Speaker 4: then maybe you go in the other direction. I'd try
Speaker 4: to run it back one more year with this group
Speaker 4: and wait to make any moves until you get in season.
Speaker 2: It's almost like if you just had one or two
Speaker 2: of these guys, then I'd say I'd be more willing
Speaker 2: to just trade him and try and lead into some youth.
Speaker 2: But you have so many of them that it's like
Speaker 2: it's almost not worth it. Like just just play out
Speaker 2: and see what happens, and if you get that three
Speaker 2: pet you're not going to care three of these guys
Speaker 2: go off the cliff next year, and you didn't. You
Speaker 2: didn't get yourself these at like you'll flags fly forever,
Speaker 2: especially a threepet. So yeah, I would lean towards that
Speaker 2: as well. Doing an auction dynasty startup in like a
Speaker 2: month twelve team super Flex with tight end premium twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six rookies will be included. Have we ever done
Speaker 2: an auction dynasty startup? Initial thoughts and strategies fits. I
Speaker 2: have done a salary cap dynasty startup. It was the
Speaker 2: first dynasty league I ever did, so I didn't quite
Speaker 2: have all my conceptual you know, approaches down pat yet
Speaker 2: the way I would now and be a little more
Speaker 2: confident in some of the moves I made. I spent
Speaker 2: a lot of money to get Dj Moore because I
Speaker 2: wanted the young Maryland Terrapin receiver.
Speaker 1: In that initial startup.
Speaker 2: Some would say I spent too much money. I did
Speaker 2: not spend enough on quarterback. It was the first. Not
Speaker 2: only was my first dynasty, it was my first Superflex league.
Speaker 2: This is many years ago. At this point, I was like,
Speaker 2: not prioritizing it enough, so I have done it before.
Speaker 2: To me, the difficult part to answer about this is
Speaker 2: it are these salary caps assigned to these guys going
Speaker 2: to be going forward like it's like a deep keeper
Speaker 2: and you keep them at these costs, or is it
Speaker 2: it's just for the startup and whoever you get, it's
Speaker 2: then a normal rookie draft in future years. Because if
Speaker 2: it's the latter, If it's a normal draft in future
Speaker 2: years and the salary is only useful for getting the
Speaker 2: startup team, then I would absolutely spend all of my
Speaker 2: money on like four young, awesome studs at every position
Speaker 2: other than running back and lean into the project, you know,
Speaker 2: the productive struggle, and say I got my quarterbacks, I
Speaker 2: got a couple of elite receivers, maybe one of them
Speaker 2: is a tight end, and then I want to have
Speaker 2: a lot of depth this year, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: have true foundational pieces and be able to have an
Speaker 2: early pick for you know, a Maad Hardi or whoever
Speaker 2: it is next year in the draft.
Speaker 1: That would be my initial thought.
Speaker 2: If you do, if these salaries do matter, and they
Speaker 2: say you keep them at this cost in future years,
Speaker 2: then it becomes a different calculation. Have you fits ever
Speaker 2: done a salary cap dynasty? Startup.
Speaker 4: I've not that's an interesting strategy. Getting Drake may Brockbauers
Speaker 4: a couple other young pieces and then just kind of
Speaker 4: like filling it out with young, unproven, relatively cheap pieces.
Speaker 4: That would be an interesting That's kind of a strategy
Speaker 4: I might favor in a league like that. I'm glad
Speaker 4: you asked Worm about whether Chungus is playing a dynasty
Speaker 4: startup where there's any meaning to the player salaries, because
Speaker 4: I play in a sort of a dynasty baseball league
Speaker 4: where those player salaries are relevant because we can, like
Speaker 4: the third year of having a guy, you have to
Speaker 4: make a decision whether to give him more money to
Speaker 4: continue to hold him or throw him back, or have
Speaker 4: him play one third season for you at the same cost,
Speaker 4: and then he automatically goes back in ear fourth. So
Speaker 4: some leagues do things like that. But maybe this is
Speaker 4: a league where you just pay to acquire the guys
Speaker 4: and then that's it.
Speaker 3: That's your roster.
Speaker 4: The salaries mean nothing after that. That's kind of what
Speaker 4: I assume too, But who knows. I guess my advice
Speaker 4: to Chungus would be just as I'm doing right now
Speaker 4: in my Snake dynasty startup, I always cut corner cut
Speaker 4: corners at running back in startups always, I don't do
Speaker 4: it wide receiver, never going to cut corners there, like
Speaker 4: to get a foothold at tight end and I'm not
Speaker 4: getting caught short at quarterback and superflex. Same thing this year,
Speaker 4: Like I've got Derrick Henry, I got him late because
Speaker 4: he was so cheap, Rashad White, And then I think
Speaker 4: I've got like two of the Penn State rookies, Nick
Speaker 4: Singleton and k Tron Allen. Like my running back room
Speaker 4: is going to be a train wreck in year one.
Speaker 4: You have to cut costs somewhere, and I would think
Speaker 4: about that Chungus like where because you cannot have everything
Speaker 4: in a dynasty auction.
Speaker 3: You just can't get everything.
Speaker 4: You've got to figure out what you're willing to to
Speaker 4: cut corners on.
Speaker 2: I would also be really aggressive about nominating guys like
Speaker 2: Gibbs and Bijon and just really any elite running back
Speaker 2: because they're going to get a lot of money off
Speaker 2: the board. If you're willing to kind of go with
Speaker 2: the strategy we're suggesting where you don't spend on those
Speaker 2: guys get that money off the board. I know some
Speaker 2: people say, like in an auction, you want to be
Speaker 2: unpredictable and not just always nominate people you don't want
Speaker 2: it there, always dominate people you do. I think early
Speaker 2: in a startup, if I want to get other people
Speaker 2: to spend big on Ashon Gent, I'm going to nominate
Speaker 2: him right away. I want that money off the board
Speaker 2: so I can then spend it on Drake London or
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase or Lamar Jackson or whatever direction you go.
Speaker 3: And one other bit of advice, like it might help
Speaker 3: if he.
Speaker 4: Like just kind of sketches out, takes out a piece
Speaker 4: of paper, does it on the computer whatever, and figures
Speaker 4: out like approximate salaries for roster spots, and you are
Speaker 4: by no means beholden to like spending up to that limit.
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be a limit, but it's going
Speaker 4: to give you a better idea of like what your
Speaker 4: distribution is going to be and what you're going to
Speaker 4: need to fill out different spots. And you'll know that
Speaker 4: if you spend way more than you were expecting to
Speaker 4: for your wide receiver one, then you're gonna have to
Speaker 4: spend less than you had sort of mapped out somewhere else.
Speaker 2: The last thing, I'll say just what we're thinking about
Speaker 2: salary cap strategy. I like getting the second guy in
Speaker 2: a tier, Like, for example, at quarterback, I'm going to
Speaker 2: let somebody else spend up on Josh Allen, but I
Speaker 2: would love to get Lamar right at at tight end.
Speaker 2: Maybe somebody else wants to break the bank for Bauers,
Speaker 2: I'll happily take Loveland right. Like I want to get
Speaker 2: guys who are in those best tiers that I can,
Speaker 2: but not the number one guy at the tier that
Speaker 2: you know, Like I almost always walk out of salary
Speaker 2: cap drafts not having the best guy at any position,
Speaker 2: but I have a lot of second best guy at
Speaker 2: this position, third best guy at the position. Like I
Speaker 2: don't want to just go for true depth and no stars,
Speaker 2: but I think a little aim just like one tick
Speaker 2: lower within the same tier, you'll get discounts.
Speaker 4: You also don't want to get the last guy to
Speaker 4: come up for bidding on a tier, because that guy
Speaker 4: will be unfortunately much more expensive than probably the other
Speaker 4: guys on the tier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Herbs and Cheese has a question here, When is
Speaker 2: the best time to make a move to push my
Speaker 2: team over the top. I'm the defending champ and look
Speaker 2: to be on a collision course for a rematch with
Speaker 2: the other juggernaut in my league. Wondering if preseason is
Speaker 2: the best time to buy or just be patient. Looking
Speaker 2: at his team, Drake May, Jonathan Taylor, Chase Brown, Jamar
Speaker 2: Chase aj Brown, Brock Bauers, Nico Tedera McMillan, Obviously this
Speaker 2: is a very, very very good team. Do you feel
Speaker 2: like fits the best time when you're already a good
Speaker 2: team and trying to prepare for a championship run, is
Speaker 2: to try and buy between now in September? Or is
Speaker 2: it to make an in season buy from maybe a
Speaker 2: team that thought they were contending and fell off and
Speaker 2: now has guys are willing to trade. What would be
Speaker 2: your approach?
Speaker 4: I tend to favor in season, especially with a roster
Speaker 4: like this where it's pretty balanced as far as where
Speaker 4: the strengths are. If you go out and get another
Speaker 4: wide receiver now, and all of a sudden one of
Speaker 4: your running backs get gets hurt, I guess then you've
Speaker 4: got to serve plus the wide receivers you can deal from.
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I think.
Speaker 4: I think it's always a little bit better to make
Speaker 4: these types of deals in season because gives you a
Speaker 4: little more flexibility and you have a better idea of
Speaker 4: what your hand looks like.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. It's like betting pre flop
Speaker 3: versus betting post flop and poker.
Speaker 2: I don't play enough poker to really follow that metaphor,
Speaker 2: but that's fine. I'm sure our listeners did. We have
Speaker 2: another question here? How many twenty twenty seven picks is
Speaker 2: too many? I've traded my way to three firsts and
Speaker 2: three seconds based on your advice about this class, and
Speaker 2: have more trades I could make. He gives some suggestions
Speaker 2: here in the chat. Will likely wait for injuries or
Speaker 2: camp news to make offers, But I'm wondering at what
Speaker 2: point I should hold tight and wait for guys to
Speaker 2: develop instead of trading for more future picks. My team
Speaker 2: is predicted to finish middle of the pack in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six, but it's ranked second overall in Dynasty. I
Speaker 2: don't think there's any such thing as too many of
Speaker 2: these picks, because you can always trade them next offseason.
Speaker 2: If you go into next season and say, oh, some
Speaker 2: of my guys developed and maybe I don't have that
Speaker 2: many roster spots where I can add eight new rookie picks,
Speaker 2: you can package them in trades because I don't think
Speaker 2: they're gonna lose much value, and I think to like,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four fits a lot, like that's the last
Speaker 2: class that was looked at years out as being a
Speaker 2: great class. And imagine if you had three picks in
Speaker 2: that class and you took Caleb Williams, Drake May and
Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors, but you turned down getting a fourth because
Speaker 2: you didn't want another rookie, and that fourth could have
Speaker 2: been Brock Bauers. Right.
Speaker 1: Like, when these really good classes actually hit, which twenty
Speaker 1: twenty seven could end up not hitting, that is on
Speaker 1: the table.
Speaker 2: But when these classes hit, there's no such thing as
Speaker 2: having too many of these picks, because if they truly
Speaker 2: are elite, within a year or two, they're going to
Speaker 2: be elite dynasty assets, and you are going to be
Speaker 2: the envy of everybody in your league for having picked
Speaker 2: the right year to go all in on picks. The
Speaker 2: championship I won in our Shared work league was because
Speaker 2: I went all into twenty twenty four and had three
Speaker 2: picks in that Actually I had four first round picks
Speaker 2: in that class, and it totally set me up for
Speaker 2: the rest of this championship run. So to me, there's
Speaker 2: no such thing as too many at least we're talking
Speaker 2: about first. If you have a bunch of first and seconds,
Speaker 2: maybe you don't need to throw in that many thirds
Speaker 2: and fourths or whatever. But I'll take as many first
Speaker 2: as I can get and not feel like I'm putting
Speaker 2: too many eggs in that basket.
Speaker 3: Totally with you.
Speaker 4: Someone in our discord somehow has acquired like eight next
Speaker 4: year eight first have the.
Speaker 2: Best day of his life on rookie draft.
Speaker 4: I know, and especially when next year's draft looks like
Speaker 4: such an absolute candy store. I mean, you can if
Speaker 4: you're trying to maybe accelerate your arrival time, if you're
Speaker 4: midpack you don't want to wait for the rookies to produce,
Speaker 4: or maybe you're worried that some of these guys aren't
Speaker 4: going to blossom right away. I suppose you could do
Speaker 4: trade picks for established talent, but man like I don't
Speaker 4: want to sell any of those picks at anything less
Speaker 4: than full value, and we for us full value for
Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven first round picks is a lot expensive.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The other thing, too, is like, the more picks
Speaker 2: you have, the more chances you have at a team
Speaker 2: getting hit with bad injury luck and ending up with
Speaker 2: a top pick. Right, Like, if you have five, it's
Speaker 2: not even just about you're getting five picks, it's that
Speaker 2: that's now a better chance that one of those five
Speaker 2: is Jeremiah Smith or Arch Manning. Whereas it's only three,
Speaker 2: you have a twenty five percent chance of that happening.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just in a vacuum if there's twelve
Speaker 2: teams in the league. So like, the more the merrier
Speaker 2: for me when it comes to these picks, I would
Speaker 2: not fret about having too many at all.
Speaker 4: Some of those handcuff backs you can sell, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: like the handcuffs you would sell Marshaun Lloyd, Zach Sharbin.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I necessarily want to sell.
Speaker 4: Charbon A, but like Brian Robinson, Jordan Mason, yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean those guys would get you like late picks in
Speaker 4: next year's draft. But you know, late picks in next
Speaker 4: year's draft are certainly going to be worth more than
Speaker 4: late round picks and this year's rookie draft.
Speaker 2: The other thing too, if the nature of your roster
Speaker 2: is that you can't take on that many rookies next year.
Speaker 2: Don't be afraid to say, hey, I've got Chris Rodriguez
Speaker 2: to the Tuton owner, give me a twenty eight second
Speaker 2: instead of a twenty seven to third, or you know,
Speaker 2: move up around from what you would have asked for
Speaker 2: this year, but push it back a year. You'll be
Speaker 2: pretty happy, I think a year from now, even if
Speaker 2: it's not quite the same level of class to be like, well,
Speaker 2: I got all these rookies, and I also have more
Speaker 2: draft capital to play around with for the upcoming draft,
Speaker 2: which always gets more expensive as soon as the current
Speaker 2: years draft ends, so you can think about that as well. Actually,
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Speaker 2: slash chat. All right, fit some more questions we want
Speaker 2: to run through here. Hey guys, thanks for today. Two
Speaker 2: questions for us. First, do you see Javante as a
Speaker 2: sell candidate if he has a good start to the
Speaker 2: season or do you think he has a good chance
Speaker 2: to maintain value over the next couple of seasons. Second,
Speaker 2: without any special scoring settings, do you generally hope to
Speaker 2: flex receivers or running backs?
Speaker 1: And why?
Speaker 2: I've seen differing opinions on this lately, so I was
Speaker 2: curious your thoughts. Thanks guys to the answer to the
Speaker 2: second part. First, I really don't think about position unless
Speaker 2: this scoring setting suggests that I should. If there's not
Speaker 2: really one favorite or the other, like a heavy PPR
Speaker 2: or anything like that, I just like whichever player I
Speaker 2: like better. I really don't think about position at all. Again,
Speaker 2: unless it's like, oh, this is PPR and the running
Speaker 2: back does the catch passes, things like that. On the
Speaker 2: first part of this question fits, I do think Javante
Speaker 2: is a cell candidate. He wouldn't be a sell at
Speaker 2: any cost candidate if he starts out strong, but I
Speaker 2: would be very open to offers.
Speaker 3: I think I would too.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's gonna have quite the touchdown
Speaker 4: runout that he had last year, and his pass catching
Speaker 4: metrics are just flat out bad, Like he's just not
Speaker 4: good as a pass catcher, and PPR league or dynasty
Speaker 4: leagues tend to be PPR leagues, so that is a
Speaker 4: little bit of a concern that just that there isn't
Speaker 4: enough for him as a pass catcher to sort of
Speaker 4: maintain RB one type value for him. So I'm a
Speaker 4: little bit skeptical. At the same time, he was pretty
Speaker 4: convincing as a runner last year, so I'm not a
Speaker 4: post as selling right now.
Speaker 3: You know, this is probably a good time.
Speaker 4: He very much reinvigorated his dynasty value with the season
Speaker 4: he's coming off of, so probably more likely to lose
Speaker 4: value this season than gain value. And as as the
Speaker 4: other question, I would just say for me, I'm always
Speaker 4: going to build my team more around wide receivers than
Speaker 4: running backs just because they hold their value better and
Speaker 4: the running backs just are a little more fragile with
Speaker 4: attrition guys losing their job. Injury rates, we haven't really
Speaker 4: seen it the last couple of years. It's been weird,
Speaker 4: and that running backs have gotten hurt, you know, maybe
Speaker 4: even less than wide receivers when the injury rates are
Speaker 4: generally higher at running back, but generally they are higher
Speaker 4: at running back, and I think the last two years
Speaker 4: have sort of been exceptions to that.
Speaker 2: I was thinking more like week to week starting, if
Speaker 2: they're talking about like building out your team, like who's
Speaker 2: generally going to be in the flex, than yeah, I'd
Speaker 2: prefer the receiver like that for that reason. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm saying right, if you happen to like
Speaker 4: luck your way into some really good you know you're
Speaker 4: you're spending down at running back and still get some
Speaker 4: guys who like spike good seasons for you. I have
Speaker 4: no problem flexing running backs over wide receivers as far as.
Speaker 3: The in game strategy of it.
Speaker 4: I just want to play the guys likely to get
Speaker 4: the most points. Matchups are going to come into that,
Speaker 4: of course, but I just generally have more wide receiver
Speaker 4: strength and running back strength and my dynasty teams.
Speaker 2: We have a question from Germany shouts to No Vortex
Speaker 2: checking in from across the Pond. I'll readly. It's the
Speaker 2: kind of a long so I'll read it quickly. Hey, guys,
Speaker 2: thanks for having me. Got one question regarding pick value.
Speaker 2: Hope it's not too far from today's topic. I'm a
Speaker 2: dynasty league's commissioner and pay attention to everything being fair
Speaker 2: and transparent in the league. A league mate traded away
Speaker 2: his one oh one and twenty twenty six to another manager.
Speaker 2: I this is no vortex talking, had the one ten
Speaker 2: and took my chance to offer him my pick for
Speaker 2: his twenty twenty seven first rounder. He accepted. I took
Speaker 2: a lot of heat for it because the draft next
Speaker 2: year will be way better than this one's. And additionally,
Speaker 2: people expect his pick to be early again, while I'm
Speaker 2: always contending. So my justification is that you don't know
Speaker 2: where he will finish next year. But more importantly, I
Speaker 2: argue my pick is one year away. Heard you guys
Speaker 2: talking about the weight and that that is a disadvantage.
Speaker 2: So my question, finally is and he's wrote finally not
Speaker 2: me saying that does one year's time difference between two
Speaker 2: picks make up for the one in the future being
Speaker 2: a good portion more valuable. I hope I can make
Speaker 2: myself clear, totally clear. It's a great question, Thank you
Speaker 2: for sending it. I think it is one of those
Speaker 2: things is where you're trading a first for a first
Speaker 2: and it's not guaranteed, where that first is going to
Speaker 2: be next year. Like to me, I would certainly much
Speaker 2: rather have this guy's twenty twenty seven pick. But I
Speaker 2: don't think this is like an unfair thing that the
Speaker 2: league should be in an uproar about, because anybody, first
Speaker 2: of all, could have offered a first for a first,
Speaker 2: and second of all, there is a level of uncertainty.
Speaker 2: Next year's class could end up having a lot of
Speaker 2: guys getting hurt and underperforming and not looking as good.
Speaker 2: So it's less for me about the weight of getting
Speaker 2: the player on your team and more about we don't
Speaker 2: know what that value is going to be, and that
Speaker 2: weight makes that more uncertain. So to me, while I
Speaker 2: do think you got away with a great deal, I
Speaker 2: don't think you got away with like highway robbery where
Speaker 2: everybody should be up in arms about it. If that
Speaker 2: makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4: I can understand why some of the other managers are
Speaker 4: upset no vortex just because you pulled off a great trade.
Speaker 4: The other manager is probably a little naive and maybe inexperienced,
Speaker 4: just not knowing, maybe not being aware of how much
Speaker 4: better the twenty twenty seven draft class is. And if
Speaker 4: there's someone who's not on top of that, you know,
Speaker 4: that makes them kind of a lesser dynasty manager because
Speaker 4: you need to know what relative the relative strength of
Speaker 4: different draft classes.
Speaker 3: So I don't blame you for making the deal.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's shady or anything, but I understand
Speaker 4: why the other managers feel like, you know, you pulled
Speaker 4: one over on this other manager because you did make
Speaker 4: a great trade and it was shrewd on your part.
Speaker 2: But literally, any of them could have made the same offer, right,
Speaker 2: Like it's a first for a first, they all have
Speaker 2: their first. Presumably they could have made the same deal
Speaker 2: and didn't. If they did and he didn't accept them,
Speaker 2: then that's where it gets into Okay, that's kind of weird.
Speaker 2: Why didn't that happen? But like, you made an offer
Speaker 2: and he accepted, and yeah, I think there's a level
Speaker 2: of let's pretend that this other manager is really naive
Speaker 2: and like nude of fantasy or dynasty. And if you
Speaker 2: were like, hey, I'm going to give you Chris Rodriguez
Speaker 2: for next year's first because at least you get the
Speaker 2: guy this year, and he said yes because he didn't
Speaker 2: know any better, that's like, okay, that is a real problem.
Speaker 2: That's going to mess with the integrity of the league.
Speaker 2: Other managers should be absolutely livid you are taking advantage
Speaker 2: of somebody who's still learning. In this case, I think
Speaker 2: knowing that next year's class is strong, whether because you
Speaker 2: watch college football or because you listen to a show
Speaker 2: like us like We Hope, we give you an advantage
Speaker 2: like that where you can make shrewd deals looking a
Speaker 2: year ahead. That's the whole goal of a show like this.
Speaker 2: To me, that's just being an invested, intelligent, like proactive manager.
Speaker 2: I have done this a lot, traded a late pick
Speaker 2: one year for an early pick to the next year. It's
Speaker 2: not always with an upcoming class as strong as next
Speaker 2: year's look, but I like doing that because I like
Speaker 2: the swing that, Hey, I know this pick's late this year.
Speaker 2: Worst case scenario, it's late again next year. Let me
Speaker 2: take a swing that as early the year after. I've
Speaker 2: done this in a lot of leagues, and to me,
Speaker 2: that's just being shrewd.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And just to look at it from the perspective
Speaker 4: from which he asked the question, does the extra year
Speaker 4: of value game for you? So I want one ten
Speaker 4: Let's say I don't know what's the worthy target there.
Speaker 3: Kenyon Sidik, Let's say.
Speaker 1: Yes, Nyankky Simpson maybe yeah, all.
Speaker 4: Right, so say it's Cidik at one ten. I mean,
Speaker 4: would the extra year of Kenyon Cidik make him a
Speaker 4: player you would want more than Cam Coleman, who's likely
Speaker 4: to be a top six pick next year's second best
Speaker 4: wide receiver prospect in the draft after Jeremiah Smith. Like,
Speaker 4: I'd still rather have cam Coleman pretty easily there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially because a guy like Sidik is probably not
Speaker 2: going to do anything this year anyway, so you're already
Speaker 2: going to kind of have to wait for that player
Speaker 2: to contribute.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think you could say the same thing
Speaker 4: whether it was Ty Simpson or Denzel Boston or whoever
Speaker 4: else might be at one ten.
Speaker 2: By the way, eight out of ten twenty twenty seven. First,
Speaker 2: it's a real big chungus. That is unbelievable, and I
Speaker 2: would just be laughing all the way to the bank.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be super fun. Looks like we got through
Speaker 2: actually all the questions here, so we'll go ahead and
Speaker 2: wrap things up. Thank you so much for everybody for
Speaker 2: throwing out the questions today. No hands raised for the stages,
Speaker 2: which is totally fine. It's hot summer day. We're not
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