WEBVTT - BONUS: Katie Lowes & Guillermo Diaz Unpack The Industry 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:03.680 Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:28.680 partnership with Higheartradiots and Katie Lows. 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.920 First and foremost, Guillermo Diaz. 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:36.559 And Katie Lows. 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.199 I haven't seen you in so long. It breaks my 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:40.280 fucking heart. 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:42.640 It's fucked up. That's not right. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.640 But you know, the one place we do hang out 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.199 is on the picket lines, bitch. 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:51.519 Yes, yes, yes, with a ton of other actors. 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:53.520 Yes, yes, a ton of other actors. At the time 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:59.640 of this recording, the WGA is working it out and 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:03.600 and airstrike has come to a close. And right now 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.600 sag our union, sag After, Yes, is still at the 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.360 negotiating table and so to be in solidarity with our union, 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.120 sag After And also you know this pending sort of 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.759 murkier area with the WGA, we are doing bonus EPs 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:19.280 right now, Yes. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.679 We are. We're doing this new thing where we're going 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.680 to unpack the industry, if you will. So we're going 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.679 to kind of highlight those folks that work in movies 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.840 and television that don't normally get, you know, the attention, 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.840 They don't get the platform to speak about their journey 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.360 and how they got there. And you know where where 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.120 they came from and all of that stuff, which is super, 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.640 super exciting. And again, like Katie said, we're standing in 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.319 solidarity with our you know, with the WGA and with 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.480 our sag after brothers and sisters. So we want to 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.720 be respectful and thoughtful and we thought this is a 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.200 really great way to do that and still continue on 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:54.000 with the podcast. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.920 Yes, and give you guys some hot hot content. Oh yeah, 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:03.080 that isn't the REWAT podcast, which will be coming back 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:07.960 when our awesome negotiating committee gets our fair deal, because 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:09.280 I'm putting it out there people. 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.080 Yes, we'll be back. And speaking of hot hot content, 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.520 we have a new buddy that's gonna join us on 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:22.600 unpacking the toolbox. I'm back in the industry and Katie 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.520 and I have worked with her for a long time. 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:25.880 I've known her forever. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.800 She's pretty freaking awesome the best. And when we were like, 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.160 let's do some bonus apps where we're not going to 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.720 do the usual rewatch, we will bring that to y'all 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.560 when we get our fair deal, hopefully at some point soon. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.079 And in the meantime, we're going to bring on this 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.880 cool cool, cool cool check probably one of the coolest chicks, 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.560 who knows a lot more about the industry actually than 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.720 me and g because me and Gen correct, we are 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:56.120 just act tools. Although Gaiatramo has directed it before. However, 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.280 we were like, let's bring on someone from Shondaland that 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.720 actually knows about all these people. We want to spotlight 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:04.520 on the bonus apps, like we want to bring in 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:12.600 makeup and wardrobe and salad supervisors, music supervisor, cinematographers. We 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.320 want to talk to just a lot of the people 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:21.560 that make Hollywood Hollywood. Yeah, this new content we're bringing 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:26.000 to you hot off the presses is felt good to us. Yeah, 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.760 but also we needed a little bit of help. Yes, 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.000 G and I were like, who could we bring on 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.840 that knows way more about this than us? 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.240 Yes? Yes, And the person we wanted wasn't available, So 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:43.480 non kidding this person listen, I've known this person for 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.840 a really long time. I did a film, one of 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:50.240 my favorite films with her that she produced, and then 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.080 we spent years making our show of course, where we 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:58.760 all met and she is should we uh yeah? 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:00.480 Should we can't give you a few other tips? 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, give us some more, give us some 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:03.560 more likes fine wine. 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:08.400 She loves dogs, she loves architecture, she loves art, she 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:14.200 loves Venice, Italy. She loves cool fucking glasses. She likes cool, interesting, 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.040 kind of vintage jewelry pieces. 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.440 And she used to be she used to be a comedian. 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.880 Oh, she's a comedian. She used to be an actress. 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.000 She is the greatest stage direction reader that has ever 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.280 been birthed. On the history of the Santa Earth. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:33.119 And Katie she was the original podcaster for the show. 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.920 We would go into her office at Shondaland and get 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:42.080 interviewed by Homegirl. Yes, so she was the original, the 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:43.760 original of the og SO. 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:49.160 Ladies and gents and everyone everywhere. Unpacking the Toolbox, Unpacking 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.480 the Industry, brought to you by Katie Lows, Gear Moodiaz and. 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.200 Betsy Betsy Beers. 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:04.000 Yea, that's a sound of me laughing. You just unpacked 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:05.159 my toolbox. 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:06.560 Yeah we did. 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:08.760 I didn't have to say anything. My toolbox is just 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:10.520 all over the place there. 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.400 Well, as you said, this toolbox is heavy. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.480 It's a heavy toolbox. And I think what's really exciting 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.599 about this is that y'all are going to get to 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.120 hear some really cool stories from folks that we've had 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:27.240 a chance to work with and really surprising ways that 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.479 people have ended up kind of doing what they're doing 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.159 and loving what they're doing. But what we thought we 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.520 would do today is a big special treat for me 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:39.320 and for hopefully anybody else is I think we need 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:44.040 to unpack Gerramo and Katie's toolboxes just to start out. 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.280 We can all just sort of, you know, get into 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.760 this new process. And I had there are a lot 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.159 of things that I bet all you don't know about 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.680 Katie and Giam. I mean, they get interviewed a lot, 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.279 and they're fabulous, and they're famous actors, and they have 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.080 the Instagrammy and they put their faces and stuff on 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:06.840 and it's super cool. And then is Instagrammy's Instagrammy? And 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.919 I say that because I'm a Grammy. I'm not really, 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.200 I've no children, but are so nice? So hot? Is 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.760 a Grammy you are? But we thought it'd be really 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:17.839 fun to actually do a little bit digg and just 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.640 have a chat about how the hell these two big 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:27.000 buckets of endless talent started talenting their ways across the world, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:32.240 and how do you start and do and survive and 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.280 thrive in this business? Because I don't. I don't know. 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.240 I couldn't do it. I was kind of a shitty 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.520 comedian and thank god I. 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:42.560 Found I'd doubt that. 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.400 I doubt it. Oh there's evidence to prove it. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.000 You're one of the funniest people I've ever met, Betsy. 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:53.480 You're the wiest. You crack me up every time. 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.360 But I think you bring up a good point, Betsy, 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.480 which is everybody in this industry that we've ever met, 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.680 And like g was saying, how whol people are who 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.719 do so many different jobs to make shows and make 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.479 Hollywood happen, and it is such a non traditional life, 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.000 and no one has a linear straight line to get there, 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.480 you know, everyone's way, Like Betsy is one of the 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:21.360 most prolific, respected and highly accomplished producers in the business. 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.480 And the way that you got here is insane, and 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.240 the way that we all got here is crazy. And 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.680 I feel like this new podcast AEPS we're putting out 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:34.440 are all about cool jobs in this industry and how 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:35.840 the fuck did people. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.360 Get there exactly, And I think that's incredibly well put. 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.480 I would like to do a throwback to the old 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.600 days when I did this, and I want to tell 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.480 people what you are wearing so that they can picture 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.760 what we're doing because we're in a split screen, because 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.880 we are doing this remotely, which is really annoying because 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:53.800 I love being the same room with people, But like whatever. 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.160 So Gierman is wearing a fetching black T shirt with 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.920 a big red heart on it, which is sort of 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:02.200 a red heart with gunshots. 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.240 No no, no gunshots. It says breaker. 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.800 I can't read it because you're a tiny bit blurry. 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:09.960 But why does he say breaker. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.679 Because it's heartbreaker? 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:17.320 Okay, So I'm the one who thought his gunshots. Okay. 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.840 So he's wearing this incredibly cool T shirt which I 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:26.040 totally misidentified with my blurry eyeballs. Katie y'all, Katie has 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:30.720 accessorized for this podcast. I did a gorgeous necklace which 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.280 surprisingly has a ch on it from assuming. 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.880 Shocker Katie Katie. 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.680 She's wearing some baller glasses frames which make her look 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.959 like super powerful and maybe just a little bit like oh, 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.040 I don't know, like Margot, Robbie and once upon a 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:46.480 time in. 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:53.720 A ship on these glasses for everyone listening, I love glasses. 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:55.679 I'm so jealous of Betsy Beers and. 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.320 Does because I need them cool cool glasses. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:08:58.960 I don't know. 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.680 I don't need glasses. I have twenty ten vision. I 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.680 could be a fighter pilot. People a fighter pilot. I 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:09.240 get tested every year. Nope, eyes are still fine. Really, 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:14.880 oh yeah, but I buy fake glasses. I put first 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.600 of all, glasses are the best accessory. Like, I'm sorry, 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.560 you look immediately more fashionable. 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.440 Okay, And hey, can I tell you what they do 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:24.120 about the eyebags, because let me just say, when you 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.679 have the eyebags, just get a big fucking frame. Stick 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:28.480 them on your face. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.959 It's great, Uh, covers it all up. But also, Katie, 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.080 you're around around I'm not going to say your age, 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.480 but you're around the time when I was like, oh, 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.080 I can't quite read that print. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:43.520 It's starting, it's starting, might be coming at night. Yes, 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:48.199 I'm turning forty one at the time of this recording tomorrow. 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:53.200 Actually no, no, turn forty wonderful And maybe I'm going 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:54.800 to go to that eye doctor. And this is my 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.000 whole cute like, ooh, aren't I so cute? My eyes 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.280 are perfect and eyes are going to be like he's 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.560 gonna be like, you're a danger on the road at night. 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:06.840 It's time to get some real lenses up in those glasses. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.120 We'll see you eyes. I'll keep you posting. 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.640 That's the sort of thing you get for your birthday. Now, 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.720 speaking of your birthday, Katie Lows, where were you born? 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:21.440 Look at that pivot. This queen is the queen of pivots, 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.319 which is what we're doing on this podcast. 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:24.319 That's right, we're pivoting. 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.440 I was born in Queens, New York, Oh, Zone Park, 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:30.480 and my mother talks. 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.560 Like this, and really she really talks like this. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.000 Oh, She's like, unbelievable. You're from fucking New York too, 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:36.400 aren't you know? 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.480 You're island in Long Island, which is very, very different. 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.120 But I didn't grow up at a place with that. 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:43.920 Every very well. I moved to Long Island, so it 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.239 went there too. 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.600 To specifically wear Katie to Port Washington right. 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.360 Or Washington Long Island, which is Betsy Beers. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:56.839 I lived in Huntington call Spring Harbor, Oyster Bay area, 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.559 where we worked very hard not to have accents of 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.760 any sorts so we could be as bland as possible, 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.760 so I could develop an accent really fast to distinguish 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.400 myself from the assholes with whom I grew up. No offense. 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.960 If anybody's listening to me, you're sure you're great now 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.120 from Oystervey, So you were How long did you live there? 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:16.960 As a tiny little tot. 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.280 I grew up in Ozone Park till I was about 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.200 seven or eight. My dad's a fashion photographer, which was 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:28.040 very cool. I nice, you know, you know, you know, 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.880 of course, when people think fashion photographer, they think Vogue 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.640 or they think something you know, fancy. But he was 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.640 a male order catalog photographer, which in the eighties and 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.600 nineties and two thousands before everything went digital, this was huge. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:45.839 This was how people shocked. The Llban catalog came, the 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.800 Blair catalogs came. Yes, all of these catalogs, that's how 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:53.760 people bought their clothes. And my dad was slammed busy. 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.080 But growing up it was always very cool to have 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.800 a parent who was an artist, a free lance artist. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:01.040 You know. 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.440 My dad is like an actor. He's like a gig person. 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.120 It's like he went from magazine to magazine and not 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.440 doing the vogues or the oscar winning like he was 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.360 doing the stuff that put the food on the table 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.120 and with security and like we had great years and 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.600 we had very lean years, and I got to see 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.760 that sort of thing. And my dad always said, if 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.880 you can make my hobby was always photography, And if 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:22.840 you can make your hobby your job, you have you 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:24.280 stand a chance of being happy. 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:26.520 That's that's so great. 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:31.120 So he was always very supportive of acting until I 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.720 was twelve and I begged for an agent. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.480 Wait did he ever? Did he ever photograph you, Katie? 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.760 For any to ask you that? Did you model for 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:39.520 the cattle Hucks? 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:40.040 Right? 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.720 Well, remember when starter jackets were in? 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:43.160 Yes? 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.840 No, what are like big puffy, disgusting jackets have like 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:53.160 the dolphins, Miami Dolphins like my jackets? 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:54.000 Yeah? 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:58.840 Whatever, So he rented out all of Metz Stadium for 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.960 that photo shoot, and he thought it would be so 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.520 fun if I like camee. But and so I did 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.640 do some pictures, but guys, I am not model material. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:13.560 I'm not. I'm not, And that's fine. But he knew 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.880 a lot of models who were also actors. And so 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.440 when I begged at twelve for an agent and to 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.000 do it professionally, my dad was like, absolutely fucking not. 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:27.360 He was like, no fucking way. He was like really, yeah, 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.080 he just was around a lot of young girls who 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.720 were doing this and he just was like, your mother 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.160 is not driving you and your little brother around to auditions, 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.800 You're going to school, you're focusing on school. You're gonna 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.240 be with the family if you want a major in it. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.360 I think he was loving enough to even support that. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.560 I mean, which is crazy, but he really was like, 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:52.040 do community theater, do the high school plays, do dance 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.200 class like I will support you through and through because 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:57.920 it's just all I ever wanted to do. I was 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.880 one of those fucking annoying children that was making everybody 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.520 watch me perform at all times. 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.600 I am so sorry, but that's great advice that he 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.600 gave you, Katie, right because that pushback, like, you know, 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.040 I'm the same way like nobody. My parents could have 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.920 been like you're not doing you're not acting. Ever, everybody 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:16.640 could have turned me down, and I knew in my 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.920 heart that I was going to do it no matter what. Same, 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:21.960 So it was great advice because he was probably like, 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.680 let me make sure that she really really wants to 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.280 go into this profession. And you did and you continued 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:27.920 and you did it. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.000 First of all, you were born I know the answer 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.240 to this, but go ahead and tell the listeners. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.800 I was born in Washington Heights in Manhattan, in New 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:37.560 York City, so you. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.840 Can see we're all sort of like New York based, 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.080 which is great. And when did you know, When did 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.520 you first kind of get the inkling that maybe this 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:46.600 is what you wanted to do. 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:52.120 I remember the exact moment, and oh wow. I was 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.280 in high school. I was a sophomore in high school. 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:58.760 So I was about seventeen, and my two best friends 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.360 were going to be part of the Talent Show and 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.800 they were doing the Beastie Boys and one of the 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.440 guys that was playing Mike D, one of the beast Boys, 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.080 dropped out. And till this point, I never thought about acting. 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.840 I didn't care. I didn't even think about it. It 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.000 was an interested in it. And I was like, and 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.320 they asked me, will you be Mike D? You know, 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.600 will you join us for the Talent Show. It was like, 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:21.360 in two weeks. 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.200 Awak something we all want to hear at some point 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.320 in our lives. We all want to be asked to 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.760 be Mike D. Exactly, go ahead. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.000 And so I was like, yeah, sure, and then you know, 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.880 the minute I hit that stage on that first before 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:36.040 we had like two performances like a Thursday and a 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:40.400 Friday night. I knew instantly that this is where I 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.560 wanted to be and this is what I wanted to do. Wow. 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.560 Yeah, was it the crowd? Like the crowd roaring like 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:50.520 in your head? Was it like you felt good being 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.480 somebody else or you felt good because everybody was watching, 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:55.320 or like what. 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:56.520 Was I think it was a I think it was 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.600 a combination of all of that. Sometimes I think back 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.360 in it's it makes me a little sad because in height, 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.000 I had a really tough time in high school because 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.640 I was bullied a lot and all that shit. And 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.880 when I was on I remember being on stage all 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.360 those people that bullied me were cheering and jumping up 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:17.960 and down and clapping. So I associated being on stage 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.600 and performing with people liking me and not fucking with 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:25.000 me anymore. So I think that's what drew me into 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.560 it immediately, you know what I mean? 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.440 Yeah? And did you find as soon as you got 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.560 off stage that people started to treat you differently? 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.320 Yeah? Absolutely. They were like, oh shit, you were so 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.600 good man, And I was like you just you know, 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.000 threw me down the fucking stairs and now you're like, yo, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:41.240 that was so good man. 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.600 Oh I bet they just want to be friends with 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.440 you now and smoke a joint. I bet they regret 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.120 that anyway. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:52.400 Right exactly. Wow, See that's crazy. So Katie, from the 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.760 very beginning you always kind of knew it, but Geirmo, 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:56.600 it was like a lightning bolt for you. 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.720 Yeah. And then of course listen that's what That's what 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.400 sort of lit me up. And I thought, oh my god, 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.879 this is you know, everybody likes me, and this felt 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.480 really good. But then, of course, with time I fell 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.720 in love with acting and performing in the craft and 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:16.359 all of it. So it wasn't just just that sort 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.680 of you know, superficial if you will, feeling of like, oh, 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.439 people like me. I grew to then fall in love 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.320 with acting, So that felt really good. 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.399 Now did you go to school? Did you simply act 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.320 in plays and kind of do stuff locally or did 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.439 you go someplace and kind of make a big effort 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:34.480 and go train. 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:39.280 You know what? I didn't. I remember like maybe a 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:43.399 month after that that BC Boy performance, I started I 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:47.520 started researching, and I found out about Backstage, which was 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.119 a newspaper that we put about you know, auditions and 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:51.359 open cars. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.000 Yeah, I had a number put on me. It was 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.679 like chorus line, I'm like dancing, and they're like, next, 0:17:58.800 --> 0:17:59.880 get the fuck out of there. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:00.680 Horrible. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.639 Also, I remember we all found our resume photos, like 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.080 the photographers always advertised in backstage, and that's how you 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:12.000 found the incredibly shitty photographer who took your first hyper 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.919 creepy photo. And maybe, if you're lucky, you get like 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.320 a triptych and it would be you as a wacky 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:25.200 housewife for maybe playing a dentist, just as a policeman, 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:31.639 and it's like, it's it's great. Actually, I somewhere on 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.560 my Instagram I have because I've only posted like five times, 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:36.840 but somewhere on my Instagram, I have one of my 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:41.880 first likedhots headshots. All there was a few years ago. 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.760 We all put our headshots up. It's actually I should 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.080 dig it up and you should do it too, because. 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.960 My dad took my first one. I have to from college. 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.040 It's a night at the time of the airing of 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:58.080 this podcast, we will release some of our first headshots. 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.840 Yeah, no exactly, but it's it is that weird thing. 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:05.240 So you both did a backstage was just like torture 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:09.359 on paper. You both did the sort of backstage thing Katie, 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:11.879 you train, did you go to You went to school 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:12.960 and did all that kind of stuff. 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.959 The same conversation literally like like I came out, you know, 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.960 dancing and singing and acting. Oh God, I think that 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:21.919 would annoy me so bad if that was either of 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:26.080 my kids. Right now, I'm so sorry to my parents. 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.520 But the same conversation where I said to my dad, like, 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:33.639 I want an agent. I was in an acting class 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:35.840 when I was twelve. My mom found me, like some 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.359 local thing in Long Island, and I would go and 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.800 I did this, and that's when I was like, I 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:42.720 want I did and my dad said no. And in 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:48.960 that same conversation, I said, fine, I'm going to college 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.480 and I'm going to study acting, and I'm living in 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.359 New York City for the rest of my life. And 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:55.679 I'm going to NYU and I'm only doing theater and 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.480 I'm never going to learn how to drive because I'm 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:01.040 just taking to taking the subway forever. Yes, and I'm 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.840 only going to speak in a theater voice for the 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:05.640 rest of time. Darling. 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:08.320 Wait, you weren't even in high school yet yet. 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.000 I was thirteen. I was like about to be in 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.840 high school. Wow, that was young for my grade. But 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.920 so at you knew, Yes, I knew, and I remember 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.159 my parents. I would figure it out, I would find it. 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:24.520 I remember taking the Long Island Railroad train by myself 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:26.560 to look at Tisch School the Arts and go to 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.200 a visiting day and I sat there in the glee 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:33.960 club saying walk in on broken Glass, and I was like, 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.159 this is my school. This is my school. This is 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:38.920 my school. This is my school. But I had to go, 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.760 and so I applied early decision and I think I 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:51.200 got in and I this was that cheesy theater college 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.080