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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Higheartradiots and Katie Lows.

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Speaker 2: First and foremost, Guillermo Diaz.

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Speaker 1: And Katie Lows.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen you in so long. It breaks my

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Speaker 2: fucking heart.

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Speaker 1: It's fucked up. That's not right.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the one place we do hang out

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Speaker 2: is on the picket lines, bitch.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, with a ton of other actors.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, a ton of other actors. At the time

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Speaker 2: of this recording, the WGA is working it out and

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Speaker 2: and airstrike has come to a close. And right now

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Speaker 2: sag our union, sag After, Yes, is still at the

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Speaker 2: negotiating table and so to be in solidarity with our union,

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Speaker 2: sag After And also you know this pending sort of

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Speaker 2: murkier area with the WGA, we are doing bonus EPs

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Speaker 2: right now, Yes.

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Speaker 1: We are. We're doing this new thing where we're going

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Speaker 1: to unpack the industry, if you will. So we're going

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Speaker 1: to kind of highlight those folks that work in movies

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Speaker 1: and television that don't normally get, you know, the attention,

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Speaker 1: They don't get the platform to speak about their journey

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Speaker 1: and how they got there. And you know where where

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Speaker 1: they came from and all of that stuff, which is super,

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Speaker 1: super exciting. And again, like Katie said, we're standing in

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Speaker 1: solidarity with our you know, with the WGA and with

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Speaker 1: our sag after brothers and sisters. So we want to

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Speaker 1: be respectful and thoughtful and we thought this is a

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Speaker 1: really great way to do that and still continue on

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Speaker 1: with the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and give you guys some hot hot content. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: that isn't the REWAT podcast, which will be coming back

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Speaker 2: when our awesome negotiating committee gets our fair deal, because

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Speaker 2: I'm putting it out there people.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we'll be back. And speaking of hot hot content,

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Speaker 1: we have a new buddy that's gonna join us on

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Speaker 1: unpacking the toolbox. I'm back in the industry and Katie

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Speaker 1: and I have worked with her for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I've known her forever.

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Speaker 2: She's pretty freaking awesome the best. And when we were like,

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Speaker 2: let's do some bonus apps where we're not going to

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Speaker 2: do the usual rewatch, we will bring that to y'all

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Speaker 2: when we get our fair deal, hopefully at some point soon.

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Speaker 2: And in the meantime, we're going to bring on this

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Speaker 2: cool cool, cool cool check probably one of the coolest chicks,

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Speaker 2: who knows a lot more about the industry actually than

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Speaker 2: me and g because me and Gen correct, we are

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Speaker 2: just act tools. Although Gaiatramo has directed it before. However,

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Speaker 2: we were like, let's bring on someone from Shondaland that

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Speaker 2: actually knows about all these people. We want to spotlight

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Speaker 2: on the bonus apps, like we want to bring in

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Speaker 2: makeup and wardrobe and salad supervisors, music supervisor, cinematographers. We

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Speaker 2: want to talk to just a lot of the people

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Speaker 2: that make Hollywood Hollywood. Yeah, this new content we're bringing

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Speaker 2: to you hot off the presses is felt good to us. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but also we needed a little bit of help. Yes,

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Speaker 2: G and I were like, who could we bring on

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Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, And the person we wanted wasn't available, So

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Speaker 1: non kidding this person listen, I've known this person for

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Speaker 1: a really long time. I did a film, one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite films with her that she produced, and then

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Speaker 1: we spent years making our show of course, where we

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Speaker 1: all met and she is should we uh yeah?

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Speaker 2: Should we can't give you a few other tips?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, give us some more, give us some

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Speaker 1: more likes fine wine.

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Speaker 2: She loves dogs, she loves architecture, she loves art, she

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Speaker 2: loves Venice, Italy. She loves cool fucking glasses. She likes cool, interesting,

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Speaker 1: And she used to be she used to be a comedian.

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Speaker 2: Oh, she's a comedian. She used to be an actress.

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Speaker 2: She is the greatest stage direction reader that has ever

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Speaker 2: been birthed. On the history of the Santa Earth.

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Speaker 1: And Katie she was the original podcaster for the show.

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Speaker 1: We would go into her office at Shondaland and get

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Speaker 1: interviewed by Homegirl. Yes, so she was the original, the

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gents and everyone everywhere. Unpacking the Toolbox, Unpacking

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Speaker 2: the Industry, brought to you by Katie Lows, Gear Moodiaz and.

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Speaker 1: Betsy Betsy Beers.

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Speaker 3: Yea, that's a sound of me laughing. You just unpacked

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Speaker 3: my toolbox.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we did.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have to say anything. My toolbox is just

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Speaker 2: Well, as you said, this toolbox is heavy.

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Speaker 3: It's a heavy toolbox. And I think what's really exciting

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Speaker 3: about this is that y'all are going to get to

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Speaker 3: We can all just sort of, you know, get into

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Speaker 3: I doubt it. Oh there's evidence to prove it.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this new podcast AEPS we're putting out

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Speaker 3: Get there exactly, And I think that's incredibly well put.

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Speaker 3: I love being the same room with people, But like whatever.

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Speaker 3: So Gierman is wearing a fetching black T shirt with

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Speaker 1: No no, no gunshots. It says breaker.

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Speaker 3: I can't read it because you're a tiny bit blurry.

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Speaker 2: Shocker Katie Katie.

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Speaker 3: She's wearing some baller glasses frames which make her look

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Speaker 2: A ship on these glasses for everyone listening, I love glasses.

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Speaker 2: I'm so jealous of Betsy Beers and.

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Speaker 3: Does because I need them cool cool glasses.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't need glasses. I have twenty ten vision. I

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, but I buy fake glasses. I put first

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Speaker 2: of all, glasses are the best accessory. Like, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: Okay, And hey, can I tell you what they do

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Speaker 1: It's great, Uh, covers it all up. But also, Katie,

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Speaker 2: I'm turning forty one at the time of this recording tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you eyes. I'll keep you posting.

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Speaker 3: That's the sort of thing you get for your birthday. Now,

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Speaker 3: speaking of your birthday, Katie Lows, where were you born?

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Speaker 2: Look at that pivot. This queen is the queen of pivots,

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Speaker 2: which is what we're doing on this podcast.

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Speaker 3: That's right, we're pivoting.

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Speaker 2: I was born in Queens, New York, Oh, Zone Park,

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Speaker 2: Oh, She's like, unbelievable. You're from fucking New York too,

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Speaker 3: But I didn't grow up at a place with that.

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Speaker 3: Rolling around were that is that is that's like that

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Speaker 1: Hanging out in a black box theater.

438
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: In a black box theater, she's doing newer renditions of

439
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 3: Sylvia Plath and really really wishes that she was, you know,

440
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: in the performing garage. So that's where Katie is with

441
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 3: Body Lice, with Body Look most importantly starring the Body

442
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 3: Lice co starring Katie. So yeah heremo, so then, so

443
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 3: Katie's like doing doing all that stuff, you find yourself,

444
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: you start to audition for things. How quickly did you

445
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 3: actually start to work? And my memory, knowing a little

446
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: bit about your family is they were not as loosey

447
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,719
Speaker 3: goosey as Katie's family in terms of a lot of stuff.

448
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 3: But they were sort of vaguely supportive in a benign

449
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: kind of way, weren't they.

450
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they were listen. So I started I started

451
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: buying backstage, and I started freaking going up even for

452
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: background work like I was applying for. Like I did

453
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 1: a ton of extra work, which I'm so glad I

454
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: did that because I feel like I super like totally

455
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: paid my dues and and like Katie was saying earlier,

456
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: I just wanted to act I wanted to be around actors.

457
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to be around directors. I wanted to be

458
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: around that world. So I just kept finding a way

459
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: to be around that. And a lot of it was

460
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: student films. I did a million student films for and

461
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: Why You? Oh my god, I did so many NYU

462
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 1: student films and School of Visual Arts, and and then

463
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: I did I started doing a ton of children's theater

464
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: all through backstage. I did children's theater for like two years,

465
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: and I would get paid twenty bucks a performance, and

466
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: we would do all the you know, children's fairy tales,

467
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: like the Three Little Pigs and a Little Red Riding Hood.

468
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

469
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: God, I did not know that.

470
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 3: That's why this is so good, right, So Caramo, what

471
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 3: did you play in the Three Little Pigs?

472
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: I was the wolf. I'm the one that blew the

473
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: house down.

474
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 2: Amazing.

475
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 3: You're the star of the show.

476
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have that a performance on VHS from me

477
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: playing the wolf.

478
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 3: Can you believe I? If I don't get to see that,

479
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come over and punch you in the face.

480
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: Same I will be right behind you to kick you

481
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 2: in the I know.

482
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: I got to get my parents to transfer it over

483
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: to you know whatever video files.

484
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

485
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: I remember playing the wolf and then when it came

486
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: to the part where the wolf blows the house down,

487
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: I would get all the kids up out of their

488
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: seats in the theater to help me blow the house down.

489
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: And that was the most exciting part, and the little

490
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: kids would love it so much. So we were like

491
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Speaker 1: a repertory company. It was called a playhouse something playhouse.

492
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't the courtyard playhouse that's what

493
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: it was called. Oh so yeah. I worked there for

494
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: like two three years doing doing shows and we would

495
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: get to pay like twenty bucks a performance or something

496
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: like that.

497
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Speaker 3: It was basically yeah, yeah for tokens together. Yeah.

498
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: And then and then, you know, moving forward a little

499
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: bit or fast forwarding a little bit, I saw an

500
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: ad for a theater company called Intar Lab, and I

501
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: went an auditioned and it was with Gary Perez and

502
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: John Ortiz and Daphne were being Vega lies. So we

503
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: they started this theater company for latinos. So I began

504
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: sort of my theater of training with all of those guys,

505
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: and we would go into a theater that wasn't used

506
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: anymore on fifty third between like tenth and eleven, and

507
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: they would give us that space and let us just

508
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: do our thing, and we would you know, read scenes

509
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: and improv. I remember one time we dressed it was

510
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: like kabooky night and they were like, just grab whatever

511
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: shit you want and make up in costumes and come

512
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: on stage and doing a performance. It was stuff like.

513
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Speaker 3: That and unbelievable.

514
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then into our Lab obviously became

515
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: Labyrinth Theater Company. Yeah, with philippsymore Haw.

516
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. For anybody, any of the listeners who aren't

517
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 3: familiar with that, it's one of the premiere theater companies

518
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 3: in New York. And the fact that we're hearing about

519
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: the roots of this is insane because I never knew

520
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: any of that. That's amazing. No, I never knew anything.

521
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: I never knew that you worked with this theater company,

522
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: or if I did, I have the ausis and I

523
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 3: forgot the.

524
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: Alsies in the instagram is I'm dead.

525
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: My first play was called rough House, and we did it.

526
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: You know, it was the first It was the first

527
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: intar lab production and John Ortiz played my brother and okay,

528
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: so so much.

529
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 3: Wait a second, what was what was rough House about?

530
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: It.

531
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: Maybe Katie could have been in it from the sound

532
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 3: she could have.

533
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a dysfunctional family who there was an

534
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: alcoholic sister who you know ends up dying in a

535
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: in a car crash because she was drunk driving. And

536
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: it was just it was a really well written like

537
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: dysfunctional family, uh drama.

538
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: It was your long day's journey in tonight exactly, except

539
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: not as long.

540
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also paint this picture. I love this, g

541
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 2: tell Betsy because I love the story so much on

542
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 2: our listeners. Like the crew that you were running and

543
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: rolling around with in the theater at this time, like

544
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: you got invited because you were. Daphne Rubin Vego was

545
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: in there, yes to like a first reading in an

546
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: apartment with.

547
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: Phanie were in Vega. Yeah, they were doing Rent is

548
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: she I remember her coming into the.

549
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: Theater kidding like the first fucking.

550
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: Act one of those nights, and and Daphne was handing out.

551
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: Daphanie was handing out or not handing out, she was

552
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: giving us, you know, these little pamphlets saying, hey, I'm

553
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: doing this new show called Rent. And yeah, we were

554
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: there from the very beginning of that, and they were,

555
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think they really knew. Obviously they

556
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was going to turn into. But

557
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: I think they started it at p S one twenty

558
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: two is where they first started performing, and then it

559
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: got picked up from there. But yeah, I remember Daphanie

560
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: being super excited and all of us checking it out,

561
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, next thing we knew

562
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: it was.

563
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: You know, it was amazing.

564
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: Was John and Larson in the room when you were there?

565
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't remember, I don't think so, I don't remember. Yes,

566
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: he must have been.

567
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: He must have been if you were doing readings and

568
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: workshopping and yeah, yeah.

569
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And then I all to remember,

570
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: like Sam Rockwell being in the you know, in these

571
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: in these uh these nights with us at the theater,

572
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: and and you know, all of us were were nobody's

573
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: We just and we all had that that love for

574
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: acting though, and we we were so filled with passion

575
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: and we were hungry to just act and that felt

576
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: so good. And oftentimes I don't know about you, Katie,

577
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: but we do. You know, then you years later you

578
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: started doing work and and you it's nice to sort

579
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: of think back on those times and remember how much

580
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: you love acting, and and why you really started doing it,

581
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: and and and whenever I think about those times, it

582
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: brings me back and it reminds me again of why

583
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: I love acting so much and how lucky I am

584
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 1: that I was able to have all those experiences and stuff.

585
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: And then and and then at that at that play

586
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: that I did, rough House, an agent saw me in

587
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: that play and signed me. And that's when I got

588
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: my first, uh my first agent. So an agent came

589
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: to see rough House. They were like John Ortiz's agent.

590
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: I think it was a Lucy Kroll agency.

591
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lucy Crol. Remember Lucy Croll. Yep, she wouldn't touch me.

592
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: She wouldn't touch me.

593
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: With the ten foot fucking poll people. And it turns

594
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: up Lucy Kroll was smarter than we thought.

595
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: Piermo Yes, no, anyway, So then it all started started

596
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: working from there.

597
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: Did you another just like question? And then I've got

598
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: a follow up question because that's what I do. All

599
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 3: I do is just have so many things I want

600
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: to ask you. Okay, so did y'all do commercials at

601
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: this point? Or did you audition for commercials? Did you

602
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: get them? Did you not get them? Because that was

603
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: when I was living in New York, and I was

604
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: doing bad theater and comedy. The bread and butter was commercials,

605
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: and I always had a I got like one or two,

606
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: but I was kind of sucky at it. Yeah, I

607
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: was like I couldn't hold a baby. There were all

608
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: these problems. And by the way, still true, dear listener.

609
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 3: But so tell me a little bit about that, because

610
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 3: when you're in New York, that's definitely something. Especially in

611
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 3: those days, it became oh yeah, it just became a thing.

612
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: Was always sort of write a passage. Germo. Did you

613
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: do many commercials.

614
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: I didn't. I auditioned for them a ton. I remember

615
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: doing a bunch of music videos for no money. No,

616
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: it's just crazy, like rap music videos.

617
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: Music videos equals no money though. I mean, like, oh,

618
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 3: I don't know anybody who got paid sometimes, including directors,

619
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: unlike music videos.

620
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: Right, yes, yes, but I did like one beer commercial.

621
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Speaker 1: I did a Coca Cola commercial in Spanish. I got

622
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: cast in a lot of commercials in Spanish because I'm

623
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: fluent in Spanish, but you know, the regular run of

624
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: the mill commercials, on just American commercials, I was never cast.

625
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't think I was wide enough.

626
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: You know, oh my god at that age, well, and

627
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: you know that was really I had a similar thing

628
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: where like some really shady manager saw me in a

629
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: show at NYU, like a maze stage, and he signed

630
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: me and made and there was this like hefty contract

631
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: and this guy was a real fucking shady shady mixed

632
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: Shaderson and uh but you know he would get me

633
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: some auditions for shady shit. And but then like he

634
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: got me with a commercial agent and I did start

635
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: going out in commercials and I actually did book like

636
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: that's how I. I did, like got flown to Indianapolis

637
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: and guys, I was the face of Steak in Shake

638
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: for about a fifteen episode slot where I had to

639
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: go for two weeks and I did like fifteen commercials

640
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: in two weeks where I was a Steak and Shake

641
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: waiter and I was really really great at the waiting

642
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: tables part, bad at the acting in commercials part. And

643
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: I just I remember feeling so terrible because they just

644
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: made my lines less and less and less and less,

645
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: like they started taking away more and more of my

646
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: responsibility because they just weren't happy with what I was

647
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: doing and it just felt terrible. But it was ten

648
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. It was non union, and that was like

649
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: the most money fucking ever. And then I got my

650
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: SAG card SAG after it was separate at the time,

651
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: by booking a birth control commercial wow, for the birth

652
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 2: control patch. See. I always book the jobs where you

653
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: actually have to have the thing because it cuts out

654
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: a lot of the competition. Like, if you're auditioning for

655
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: a commercial that's about a birth control patch, technically you

656
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: have to be somebody who uses that shit. And at

657
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: the time I was actually using this fucking birth control patch.

658
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: So that's how I got my SAG card, real fancy.

659
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: And then similarly my first job, which I also beat

660
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: out a lot of people who couldn't even get there

661
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: because the line was, I don't eat fish the toxins

662
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: while you're smoking a cigarette. And the joke is that

663
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: you're inhaling a toxin, but you wouldn't eat a fish

664
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: because of the toxins. And all the young girls didn't smoke,

665
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: but I did.

666
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm a smoker bitch, like, I'll smoke this shit.

667
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: Let's go go again. I only book the job when, like,

668
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: for actual reasons, most of them have been cut out already.

669
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: Unbelievable. So I so.

670
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: Oh, but I do remember moving to LA and never

671
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: booking a commercial again because it was so different.

672
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 3: Yes, now, both of you, it would be curious to hear. So, Katie,

673
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 3: obviously there came a point where you where you had

674
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 3: to make money and you weren't making enough money acting

675
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 3: and years of that. So tell us a little bit

676
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 3: about what you did.

677
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had.

678
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 3: So.

679
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there's a reason a lot of

680
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: actors wait tables or bartend, and it's because you can

681
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 2: work at night and you can be in an audition

682
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: class in the day or actually make it to auditions

683
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: if you're lucky enough to have them. And so in

684
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: New York the minute I graduated school, and it's incredible

685
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: that I even made it that far with someone supporting me.

686
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: My dad was like, I'm done. Like, here's the info

687
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: for your health insurance, here's the info for your cell phone,

688
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: here's what your rent costs, here's a metro card. Good luck.

689
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: And so I started my first waiting tables gig in

690
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: New York City was at bb King's Jazz and Blues

691
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: Club and Times Square and it was a fucking nightmare. Wow,

692
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: I had anxiety attacks nightly, and I actually had to

693
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 2: leave because I had my first real anxiety attack when like,

694
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: like there was a band playing. You have tables of

695
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: hundreds of people. You can't hear anything because it's a

696
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: live music show, and you're screaming and running around and

697
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: it was horrible. And then I started waiting tables at

698
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: a much better, like theater restaurant that had a that

699
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: was in the theater district, so you would get slammed

700
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: from five to seven forty five and then everybody was gone.

701
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: It was great, little privately owned Italian joint. Shout out

702
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 2: Cafe Cello fifty third and eighth Avenue for anyone who's

703
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: ever been there. It was right around the corner from

704
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 2: the Letterman Show. And I was really good at waiting

705
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: tables once I got the hang of it. I was

706
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: never cool enough to I filled in for bartenders here

707
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: and there, but I was never cool enough. I'm such

708
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: a waitress and not a bartender. I don't know what

709
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: that means, but that was who I was.

710
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I bet people loved you though. You're so great

711
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: with people, You're so personable. Thanks.

712
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 2: When I got the hint to move out, like oh shit,

713
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: you know, in New York. I got my equity card,

714
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: I got my sad card. I'm working, but I cannot

715
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: get ahead. I can't make a savings. This is so

716
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 2: fucking hard. Maybe if I try a late it'll be different. Nope.

717
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: Waited tables in La Forever too. Shout out to Ammo

718
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: on Highland just north of Santa Monica. It was a big.

719
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 3: Power, gigantic power place. And the irony is there is

720
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 3: a very large likelihood because I used to go there

721
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: every week. There's a very large likelihood that at some

722
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: point before I knew Katie Lowe's she waited on me.

723
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I waited on you. I fucking waited on everybody.

724
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: I know so much to recreate that we do after

725
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: we watch Skirimo's tape of Like the Wolf, I think

726
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: we got a lot of catching up to do on this.

727
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: I waited on everyone. You fucking name it justin Timberlake,

728
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: Orlando Bluem, Mick Jagger, Both Cohen, Dan Jinks, Ryan Murphy,

729
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: every fucking day Table seventeen. Don't fuck with him not

730
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: sitting at table seventeen. He will ream you out. It

731
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: will be back, oh, Ava Mendez, Ryan Gosling, Jake Jill

732
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 2: and Halls.

733
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: Oh s, no, wonder was so hard for me to

734
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: get a table. See that's that makes total sense because,

735
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: like I'm sorry.

736
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: For it was Ryan Murphy, Katie Holmes, Kirsten Duns, everybody.

737
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: I mean, our regulars were so crazy who And it

738
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: was really it was kind of fun because it was

739
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: so Hollywood and I was such a New Yorker and

740
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: I really hadn't been around a lot of stalls.

741
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?

742
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, and it was really it was an amazing

743
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: community because all my friends guess how I got the job.

744
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: The friend from NYU all moved out here and we're

745
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: working an AMMO before me and got.

746
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: My I'm telling you this is the way this stuff works. Now.

747
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 3: At any point at that point did you feel like

748
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,479
Speaker 3: quitting or giving up or was there any a point

749
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 3: where you all you ever just sort of went, yeah,

750
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: I've got a pivot, Like I've got a pivot.

751
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: No, I know, in my gut, I knew I was

752
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: never gonna quit, but I sure as fuck cried a lot,

753
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: Like I just cried, Like again, I think I had

754
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: had this sort of I had had this sort of

755
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: sparkly uh childhood of acting, meaning like, you know, I

756
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: was the lead in the plays and I always got

757
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: the part I wanted. And so as soon as I realized,

758
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: oh shit, this is really hard. I'm twenty one years old.

759
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: I can't book a job to save my life. Nobody cares.

760
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: I'm one in a billion. Everybody's like me. I'm literally

761
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: sitting in rooms where all the girls look like me,

762
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: and all the girls are good, and I don't know

763
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: why someone would take a chance on me. And I

764
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: think I'm gonna be waiting tables till the end of time,

765
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: and I can't. Every month when the first comes around,

766
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 2: I'm back at zero, Like I only ever made enough

767
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: to just just.

768
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: To pay the rent to get food, Yeah.

769
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty dollars phone bill. I was on

770
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: the lowest health insurant, you know all that shit. So

771
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: it was just such a grind. And guys, I wasn't

772
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: only waiting tables. I was waiting tables at night running

773
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: to This was at a time when the business was

774
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: very different. I would have like a million auditions and

775
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: not get them. But I would also be like side hustling,

776
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: like babysitting for this family over here to make a

777
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: few extra bucks, or like, oh, Disney is asking you

778
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: to come in and do a few like scratch voices

779
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: for one hundred dollars for six hours of work, and

780
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: then you're going to start a theater company with your

781
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: friends because it's the only thing that gives you any

782
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: sort of purpose, or like make sure your artistic soul

783
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: isn't dying, you know, in the busser line to clean

784
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: the dishes. But you know, I think that everyone. I

785
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: wish it was mandatory that everybody.

786
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, work to go through that. Hell yeah, I agree.

787
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 3: Wait, Garamo, did you wait on tables too? Or did

788
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: you do something else?

789
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: I didn't? I didn't, I did. I did so many

790
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: different things. I worked at the Javit Center, at the

791
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: concession stand.

792
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: Listen, that's the service industry.

793
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure is.

794
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: I had a crazy job which I loved, where I

795
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: would hold a box full of cassette tapes for this

796
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: musician that would play the guitar in the subway, so

797
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: we would go. I would meet him at like thirty

798
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: four Street in Pestation or forty second Street in Times Square.

799
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: He would call me and tell me where to meet him,

800
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: and then I would just sell his tapes and then

801
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: he would give me out of it was like forty bucks

802
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: he would give me for the night. But I did

803
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: that for a while and I was I loved doing that.

804
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: So I spent a lot of time in the subway

805
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: with this guy playing his guitar and selling his tapes.

806
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 2: Do you remember his name?

807
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I wish I did.

808
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: It's the kind of music. What was the music it was?

809
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: It was kind of folky, but it was all original stuff.

810
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: It was. He had really long hair, long black hair.

811
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: He was into it though, And I sold a lot

812
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: of tapes, like people bought his son.

813
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: For a second. How did you? How did you meet?

814
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: Like like this guy who sang folky stuff.

815
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: A friend of mine had that job before me, and

816
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: he was moving on and he was like, yermo, do

817
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: you want to do this job? And I was like yep,

818
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: So he passed along the job. My friend Robbie masonutt

819
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: I still remember his name. He's great. He's a director

820
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: now and he's he's created a lot of great theater.

821
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: And then I had a job at a at a

822
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: photo stock agency called Retina, where I would I would

823
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: file photos, slides and eight x ten photos of celebrities

824
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: and I did that for a bunch of years, and

825
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: and you know, so paparazzi photographers would come into the

826
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: office and sort out all their material and then I

827
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: would have to file it.

828
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: And it's the weirdest job I've ever heard my life. Hours.

829
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: Was it like nine to five?

830
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like nine to five, yep. And I

831
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: would be there filing pictures of celebrities all day long,

832
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: and of course I would get to see, you know,

833
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: Madonna's file. I would get to see all the new

834
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: Madonna paparazzi photos that would come in. And they all

835
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: knew I was a big Madonna fan, so they would

836
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: be like, looky Emma, we just shot Madonna and this

837
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: is unbelievable.

838
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unbelievable.

839
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Guys.

840
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: Now, did you did you ever get to a point

841
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: through all this where you actually considered quitting?

842
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: You know what? No, Just like Katie, I knew in

843
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: my heart that I was never going to quit. They

844
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: were really hard times, and I cried too, But even

845
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: with all the rejection and all the insecurity that I had,

846
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: I wish I had the freaking courage and the strength

847
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: I had during that time, because nothing was going to

848
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: take me down. I never had one ink of a

849
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: doubt that I was not going to make it.

850
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 2: You gotta want it so bad.

851
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: Can you imagine?

852
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: I try to tell people, I'm like, how hard it

853
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 2: is to get a job, right, like, and how much

854
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: you put on the line of like insecurity, and you know,

855
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: and most people probably interview for X amount of jobs

856
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: in their lifetime. What what twenty thirty, I don't know something

857
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: like that. Actors are doing that hundreds. I mean, if

858
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: you're lucky, en, if you're really in the game and

859
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: you're auditioning a lot, I mean, you're getting opportunity and

860
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: told no hundreds and thousands of times a year, and

861
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: some of them you get really close, some of them

862
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: you're some of them you really want, like you are

863
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: like like, I mean, that's what I mean. So you're

864
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: you're it's such a hard career and that your heart

865
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 2: broke in a lot. You have to be kind of

866
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 2: naively hopeful, like today is going to be different than

867
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 2: the rest of this year where I haven't gotten shit,

868
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: Like it's just like so crazy.

869
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: But it would also like I don't know about you, Katie,

870
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: but it would drive me even more when I got

871
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: a rejection. When I get didn't get a job, I

872
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: would be like, you know what, fuck this shit I'm getting?

873
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: Then it would it would make me even more passionate

874
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: for the work and to get that next job, you

875
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It made me stronger. And I

876
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: think a lot of people, I think that's what. You know,

877
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: a lot of actors that that A are pursuing acting.

878
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: I think that's what. That's when you you discover who

879
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 1: who really wants it bad enough and who doesn't, because

880
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: then there's that group of I have a lot of

881
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: friends that were actors that were just like I just

882
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. It was too much, and they you know,

883
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: they they fell away, and but then there were there

884
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: were the group that continued on and most of them

885
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: made it, you know.

886
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: The perseverance man.

887
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: All your stories are so interesting and inspiring because you

888
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 3: all figured out a way to both stay yourselves and

889
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 3: adapt to the marketplace. And part of the reason I'm

890
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: asking all these questions is it's sort of like a

891
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 3: lot of this has to do with constantly pivoting. It's

892
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 3: like Katie goes to Los Angeles, it's totally different New York.

893
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 3: So she constantly pivots in order to figure out a

894
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: way both to fit in but remain the talented.

895
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: If you remember, I stood on a fucking soapbox and said,

896
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: I'm living in New York till the day I die,

897
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: and I'm not even learning how to drive a car.

898
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 2: I had to move to Los Angeles, in the hardest

899
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: driving town of all fucking time, and I got my

900
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: first car was from a company called rent Toreck, where.

901
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: You were rand that could afford yes.

902
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: Right, it was three hundred dollars a month for a

903
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: fucking beater piece of shit. And I remember landing at Lax.

904
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: I'd spent all my money on the ticket, getting my

905
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: rent to wreck and driving on the ten in the

906
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: right lane because I had driven like ten times. I mean,

907
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: I got my license my mom forced me when I

908
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 2: was eighteen, but I had never practiced, like I had

909
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 2: never really spent a lot of time behind the wheel.

910
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: I'd probably logged I don't know, twenty hours driving and

911
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: then I'm on the fucking ten. Guys, not I got

912
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: in so many car accidents when I'm moved out here,

913
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 2: and thankfully not like scary big ones, just like dumb

914
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: ones like I hit a parked car like stupid shit.

915
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: But that is the best metaphor, by the way, that's

916
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 3: the best metaphor. I didn't know how to drive, and

917
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: I got in a car and I did it anyway, right, Yeah, yeah,

918
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: because that's what you all have to do, which is

919
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 3: you're constantly and you're also you know, so part of

920
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 3: this whole world, which most people know obviously is the audition,

921
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: but you're constantly walking into different rooms and you're having

922
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 3: to deal with how do I assess and adjust to

923
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 3: this energy? All through this, like throughout all this for

924
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 3: both of you, is there like like a person who

925
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 3: you always sort of saw as, for lack of a

926
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: better expression, your north star, like were there was there

927
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 3: somebody or people who like you always felt like you

928
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: did your best work for you, felt like they had

929
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 3: your back, that also were your inspiration for things.

930
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: I had a professor in college that the men I

931
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: did any kind of work on the stage in the

932
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: one sort of uh drama. There were like three drama courses.

933
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: I went to Baroque College, which was not a theater

934
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: college at all. It was a business school that Jlo

935
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: went to. But of course, right, but of course I

936
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: gravitated towards the theater department and did all the plays

937
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: at the school. And but I had one professor, professor

938
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: that believed in me more than I believed in myself.

939
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: And she, you know, for the duration of me being

940
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: in in in the school, and even after that, she

941
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: she was always like, like you said, she was like

942
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: my my guiding light, like my my my northern star.

943
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: And she again, she just believed in me more than

944
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: I believed in her. In every job I did, you know,

945
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: whether it was theater or TV or film or whatever.

946
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: I always thought of her. She died shortly after I

947
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: graduated college, unfortunately from cancer. But she's always been in

948
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: sort of my heart and in my head and I

949
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: always I always always think of her all the time

950
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: because she was just such a wonderful guiding light for me.

951
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: And she's somebody you really did your best work for

952
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: in a weird way, alive or even after she passed away,

953
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, she was still there voice in the

954
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 3: back of your head going that was greater, you can

955
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 3: do better, or so to this day, yeah it's amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

956
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: that's amazing.

957
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: I had like for me. Again, I think I don't

958
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: know if it's because of n YU or that I

959
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: don't know, Like me and g together were just such

960
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 2: and even how us three met, Like I'm such a

961
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: community person, yep, but I do find such a sense

962
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: of Oh I went to n Yu. Then this group

963
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: of friends all worked at the same restaurant, and then

964
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: this group of friends made a theater company, and then

965
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: this group.

966
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be one.

967
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 2: This group is like this group. I'm thinking about them

968
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: right now. I'm in an acting class. I'm never not

969
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: an acting class. I fucking love acting class more than anything.

970
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 2: And yes, our clothes are on and there's no longer

971
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: body license.

972
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 3: You could change that, you could change. You have that power, Katie.

973
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I did hear that there is a life

974
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: outbreak in the tkse uh the little kids classroom at

975
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 2: my kids school. Okayidd get that I have to say,

976
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: Like I get such strength from I've always been like

977
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: a let's put up scenes with my friends, and they

978
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: hold me to the highest accountability of what I can deliver.

979
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: And I feel the same way with them, And and

980
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: I get to do work there that no one that

981
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: the professional world has never seen me do, Like I

982
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: get to play part like Martha and who's afraid of

983
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 2: Virginia Woolf? For right now, I'm working on Private Lives

984
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: and Noel cow would play and we're talking like this

985
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: and I'm wearing to slap of clothes. Who the fuck

986
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: is going to let me do that and get paid

987
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 2: for it? No one. So it's just I've always held

988
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: myself to being around other actors who I think are

989
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: awesome and they think I'm good, and I ask a

990
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: lot of them and they ask a lot of me,

991
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: and I just need that space constantly and always. And

992
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: the only other person I'll say is Benny Boom, who

993
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: was the manager at AMMO. If you're an actor and

994
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 2: you're listening and you have to have a side hustle

995
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: to pay your bills and all that, like if you

996
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 2: actually have a boss who supports that you're doing it

997
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: versus is angry at you for doing it, it is

998
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 2: the key because I used to leave him high and dry,

999
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: have to run to auditions and callbacks and stuff, And

1000
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: I would say to him, Benny, when I am here,

1001
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to be the greatest waitress caterer you've ever seen.

1002
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: And sometimes it's going to suck, and I'm going to

1003
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: be late because I'm going to be coming from the

1004
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: valley to a callback some show procedure not procedural. I

1005
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: will be coming back. And he would always say, kill it,

1006
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: break a leg. I got you, And then I would

1007
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: come back and he'd be like, howout the man? And

1008
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: I I love that guys. He's the manager at Jelena

1009
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: right now, which is a very restaurant in Venice. And

1010
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: if you ever see Benny More, to.

1011
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: Drop your name, baby, because let's go. I want it.

1012
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: He is the greatest human being and was and he

1013
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: believed in me, like he was like I knew you

1014
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 2: were going to make it because you worked so hard.

1015
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: And I worked so hard at that restaurant. Man, I

1016
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: did because he he deserved it. Like I was like,

1017
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 2: this is the best, dude. And I'm going to tell

1018
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: Jake Dyllenhall that he can have his alg apple lemon

1019
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 2: ginger juice without ice this morning, and I'm going to

1020
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: remake that latte because we didn't do a really good

1021
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: job and we fucked it up. We're like whatever it wants.

1022
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: Yes, you were fucking top notch, top drawer in that restaurant.

1023
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: See, but that is that's and it also just speaks

1024
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: to it. It seems like to sech a degree the

1025
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 3: importance of that kind of community and the importance of

1026
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: that connection. And look, it's why we're all doing this

1027
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 3: podcast is because we all are unified by this incredible

1028
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: love and certainly my insane respect for what you all do,

1029
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: obviously because I know how hard it is. And I

1030
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 3: also I mean, it's the things that people don't realize

1031
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 3: when you walk into a room in your auditioning and

1032
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: people aren't even looking at you, they're talking on their

1033
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 3: phone there. I mean, things that I would not believe

1034
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: would have ever happened, you live through on a regular basis.

1035
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: And that so the people who are around you, who

1036
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 3: support you, who believe on you, believe on you. That

1037
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: would be a really dangerous position. I want to believe

1038
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: on you. I believe on you. It's very odd, but

1039
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: I think that's I think that's really it's really important

1040
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 3: because three quarters of how we all survive in this

1041
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 3: is whatever workplace family you're in. And you know, Katie,

1042
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: you create an entire theater company that gives people a

1043
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 3: safe space and supports them to do what it is

1044
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 3: they do. And gearamaust so much of the work that

1045
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 3: you've done and the energy that you put forth. Even

1046
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: when you do the amazing genres that you do, you

1047
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 3: know like you dig into it and that every single

1048
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 3: person to a letter always says, you know, when I

1049
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 3: work with Gearmo, I feel like I just feel safe

1050
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 3: and loved and respected. And it's that's so much of

1051
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 3: I think what we're always craving for, which is a

1052
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 3: community where we can be super different in ways, but

1053
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 3: we have this one thing in common and that's what's

1054
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 3: like super cool totally.

1055
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: And I think also coming from where Katie I came from,

1056
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: we don't. I don't. We don't take shit for granted,

1057
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: right right, Like every day I'm on set, no matter what,

1058
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: to this day, I'm like, oh my god, I got

1059
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: to do my best. Like I'm so grateful for this job.

1060
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: And if I hadn't come up through you know, background

1061
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: work and working in the subway and you know theaters

1062
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 1: and student films, I don't think i'd have that sort

1063
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: of you know, appreciation and gratitude for any time I work,

1064
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, And I hope that never goes away.

1065
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: Is there anything you really want to do that you

1066
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 3: haven't got a chance to do yet? Look if you

1067
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 3: guys can see Katie's face. So Katie's face, her eyeballs

1068
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 3: just popped out. Her eyeballs.

1069
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I say for sure. I mean I feel

1070
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 2: so like, oh I want All I wanted to do

1071
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: was like was was you know, a procedural I wanted

1072
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: to do. That's so bad. I knew I would be

1073
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: great at it, and and and and beyond. All I

1074
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: wanted to do was a series regular on television, and

1075
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: like great, And then all I wanted to do was

1076
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 2: a wife on a sitcom. All I wanted to do

1077
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 2: is a wife on a sitcom. And all I wanted

1078
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: to do was a Broadway musical. And I feel so

1079
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: fucking grateful that I need to check those things off.

1080
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: And now I'm like, all I want to do is

1081
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 2: like sci fi or like I mean, I want to

1082
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: do something fucking weird sci fi, like oh yeah, and

1083
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: then I want to do horror, like I got I've

1084
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: got a fucking sick scream and I can run and

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Speaker 2: I can be really.

1086
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Speaker 3: So I'm just going to tell you something. She does

1087
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 3: have a really sick scream.

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00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 2: I want to do that, like I think I could

1089
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 2: do so Like there's just so many cool things I've

1090
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: never done period, Like I would love to do seventies

1091
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: or eighties. I've never gotten to do something.

1092
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 3: Where it's like sixty seventies and eighties.

1093
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: Whoo.

1094
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 2: And I have a great head of hair for that.

1095
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: What the fuck people do?

1096
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: I'm telling you all, she's wearing like aviators from nineteen

1097
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 3: sixty nine.

1098
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: You I could do it. I can do it. So

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00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of that, like I'm

1100
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: a little bit I feel bad, but you know when

1101
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: you I audition a lot for like modern comedies where

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00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 2: we're just sort of like trying to be funny and

1103
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: we're speaking like how we speak. So I'd like to

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00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 2: do something that's like more elevating, like if it is period,

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00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: or maybe it's horror or like a psychological thriller or

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00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 2: sci fi that's weird and everything gets to be a

1107
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: little bit more presentational, Like that's cool for me. I'm

1108
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: super pumped about that, and I'm putting it out guys, which.

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00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 3: Also like, let's see you do something we're totally surprised

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00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 3: you're doing.

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00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, what about you, Germo?

1112
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 3: What about you?

1113
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: Sir? Yeah?

1114
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: I thought I loved you more than anything. Katie and

1115
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: I can't love you even more now knowing that you

1116
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: want to do horror and sci fi because you know

1117
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: that my number one love is horror movies and horror horror,

1118
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: and oh my god, let's freaking do a fucking horror

1119
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: movie or a sci fi movie together. And it's so

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00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: funny just to go back really quickly. You grew up

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00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: in Port Washington, and you know I'm all down for

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00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: all the horror stuff. But yes, I was gonna mention

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00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 1: Amityville Horror, which was a house that was haunted in

1124
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: Long Island. But I've never ever done like a proper,

1125
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: proper horror film, so I still really want to do that.

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Speaker 1: And I want to do Shakespeare. I'm terrified, terrified, and

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00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: I know ke yes, please, and I know listen. I

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00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: remember on set Katie sometimes Katie would go into a

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00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: soliloquy from a Shakespeare play and know it by heart

1130
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: of something she did, like I don't know how many

1131
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: years ago.

1132
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 2: I feel like a dignity and Favarona, where we lay

1133
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: out blood makes sibil hands unclean, and from fourth the

1134
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: fatal loins of these two foes, a pair of star

1135
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: cross lovers take their life. I could go on for

1136
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: I've got tet.

1137
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: I love it, so I want to do that, but

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00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm scared ship but I'm down hard.

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00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: Would you want to do I.

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Speaker 1: H I would love to do the Scottish play.

1141
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: I think you should do the Scottish play. I think

1142
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 3: your Scottish play is a really really good idea.

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00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: I love Caesar.

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00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also like the weird thing. And I'm not

1145
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 3: going to nerd out on this, but anyway, Coriolanus is

1146
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 3: very underrated. I'll just say that.

1147
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: That, peoples, that's a little bit rated.

1148
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 3: That's a little bit of pretension for a day where

1149
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: you're listening to a podcast.

1150
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: I think I've ever seen Coriolanus done.

1151
00:57:54,960 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I have back in the geriatric days. It

1152
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: was amazing. It's about a guy with a mother complex.

1153
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 3: It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

1155
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Speaker 2: I love that.

1156
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: I can usually figure out a way to redo anything

1157
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 3: into one sentence, which is not really accurate, but at

1158
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 3: least it makes you think I know what I'm talking about. So,

1159
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 3: as we wrap up this amazing deep dive into both

1160
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 3: of your lives, as we understand more what makes you tickies?

1161
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 3: So are you pretty much? If it all ended today,

1162
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 3: I would imagine you're all pretty proud of the work

1163
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 3: you've done.

1164
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely fuck yeah, right, yeah.

1165
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: I can't fucking believe anyone anywhere ever, was like, here

1166
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: is a check for your acting services. I cannot. I

1167
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: still am shocked, Like I'm like, wait, what I mean.

1168
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: It's truly Uh, it's so hard, as you all have heard,

1169
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: to be employed as an actor, and I just can't.

1170
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm like driving my minivan around and I'm like,

1171
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: I can't believe I like have a minivan that I

1172
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: or from acting. It's insane. That's insane. It's insane, right,

1173
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: it's one in a billion. And it's really like my

1174
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 2: dad said, like like I just feel like I'm happiest

1175
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: on set and I love my job and I can't

1176
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 2: believe that I've gotten to do it, and I hope

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00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 2: I get to do it again. That's like really yeah,

1178
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: And I don't want to wait tables again. I don't

1179
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: want to.

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00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 3: Be no, no, no no. I think it's one of

1181
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 3: the germo. I'm assuming you feel the same way. It

1182
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 3: was sort of.

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00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: A absolutely oh yeah.

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00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 3: For what everything that we all do. I just every

1185
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 3: day get up and I feel so incredibly lucky and

1186
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 3: I am so passionate about it, and I'm I feel

1187
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 3: like that's that's the beauty of your work because you

1188
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 3: can see that coming through. You can see the hard work,

1189
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 3: but you never make you never make it look hard.

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00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 3: You just know there must have been hard work somewhere.

1191
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 3: And so anybody who's listening to this, when you see

1192
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 3: these two work again, you're gonna know what the journey

1193
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 3: is and the work is behind the scenes. But what

1194
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 3: you see looks incredibly easy, and that's because they're really

1195
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 3: fucking good at what they do. But thank you for

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01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: doing this. It's been so much fun packing and unpacking

1197
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 3: and then putting more crap in the bag and pulling

1198
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 3: out a screwdriver and then drinking exactly exactly. But this

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Speaker 3: was really fun.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it was such a blast. And we've had you

1201
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: on unpacking the toolbox, so we people who are interested

1202
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 2: can actually go back and listen about how Betsy Beers

1203
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 2: became the prolific twoty beer.

1204
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 3: So the garbage pale that is my strange past career.

1205
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: It's so interesting because you were good and interest in

1206
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: a lot of different weird fucking things that sort of

1207
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 2: all came together to make you so incredible at what

1208
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 2: you do and in episodes coming up. We have awesome

1209
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: gas coming up.

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Speaker 3: Really, Like, I think what's super exciting about this is

1211
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 3: if you've enjoyed, Like, if you've enjoyed listening today's podcast,

1212
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 3: you've got to treat in store because we have some

1213
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 3: people lined up who have incredibly surprising stories.

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01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: Yep.

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01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 3: I think it's we all feel like it's it's just

1216
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 3: great to understand how people that we've worked with got

1217
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 3: to where they get what it is they do, because

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01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: I believe that a lot of people out there may

1219
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 3: want to work in this business but may not know

1220
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 3: exactly what it is they want to do. And it's

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01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 3: why I'm always preaching up producing. You see actors, you

1222
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 3: see directors, you hear about writers, but there are all

1223
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 3: these other incredible jobs that you honestly could not put

1224
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 3: anything on without the participation of these folks and learning

1225
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 3: a bit about what they really do do, where they

1226
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 3: come from, how they got there. I think it's going

1227
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 3: to be really fun and yes, I'm really looking forward

1228
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 3: to it, and I can. I can if I get

1229
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 3: to god back and guys.

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01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 2: Of our trio. Betsy is the she is the most

1231
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 2: talented interviewer.

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01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 3: So I don't think I.

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01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 2: Have Betsy asked the questions while Germo and I just

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01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 2: put in some funny interstitials.

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Speaker 3: I think I think y'all have been doing just fine

1236
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 3: old job burning a podcast yourself. This is about the

1237
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 3: fact I like hanging out with you too, and this

1238
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 3: is the easiest way to do it at the moment

1239
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 3: because you're both really busy.

1240
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: We're lucky.

1241
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 3: Well, it's this was really fun. That would be it

1242
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 3: for us.

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01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 2: Yes, stay tuned, we'll be interviewing and unpacking some other

1244
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 2: peeps from the industry on Unpacking the tool tool Box

1245
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: the industry.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Betsy, Thank you Katie, Thank you Katie.

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01:02:53,480 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: That was such a black That was fun. Yea Scandal

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01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Alex Alcea, Lauren Homan,

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01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is

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01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher. Unpacking the

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Speaker 2: Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: For more podcasts from Shondaland Audio, visit the iHeartRadio app

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01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 2: or anywhere you subscribe to your favorite shows.