WEBVTT - Drive7.27.26Hr2: All-Under 25 Team 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.760 Your tunes about drive on your twenty four to seven 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:21.640 home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.560 Good evening, Steeler Nation. How we doing well? That's good 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:26.799 us too, our number two of the drive here on 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.400 this Monday, it'll be our last day in the studio 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.440 for a little while. As of course, all eyes turned 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:36.680 to Latrobe and the Steelers opening of training camp, first 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:41.599 official practice Wednesday at eleven am. Coaches reported yesterday, players 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:46.200 report tomorrow. I will report Tuesday evening. Matt will report 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:47.040 Wednesday morning. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:48.519 Yeah, and we'll have. 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.080 A good time. I told my two daughters when I 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.080 dropped them off at daycare. I dropped off at school 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.400 this morning. I was like, hey, this his dad's last 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.680 night home. I mean, not like for a long time. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:00:59.960 I'm gonna be gone a lot the next few weeks. 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:02.640 I was not like, you're going off the war or something. 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.880 Often nam right, here's a picture of me in a 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.440 lockett to remember me back. I was like, you behave 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:12.800 today at school, and we're gonna go get ice cream tonight. 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.360 All right, dad's last last night of the summer. We'll 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.399 go get ice cream. Just be good at school. Give 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:19.240 me good reports from your teachers. When I come pick 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.039 you up around five o'clock and we'll go get some 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.319 ice cream and celebrate the last day of the summer. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.880 Matt the NFL Network, NFL dot Com releasing this is 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:29.759 something that I always think is fun to kick around 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:34.920 in the summertime. They're all under twenty five team, so basically, 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.639 you know, the best team you can make with guys 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:39.640 under the age of twenty five, some of the youngest 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:43.520 players in the league. Who's the best of the youth 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:44.720 movement right now? 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.800 Yeah. So ESPN, through Aaron Shats, who we often reference, 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.680 do this every year as well, but he does it differently. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.040 He ranks every team from one to thirty two in 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.960 terms of their talent twenty five and under. So I 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:58.920 wanted to run something by you on this too. Is 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.120 usually I mean, obviously you want to be on those lists, 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.160 you know, like, boy, we got a great young talent base. 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.960 Good to have, you know. Now there it is sort 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.280 of an arbitrary number. Why do we pick twenty five? 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.280 Why don't we pick twenty six while we picked twenty four? 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:16.119 Who knows? But I mean it's round number fine, and 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:18.880 you have to pick a cutoff date. We're going to 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.520 do it for the day the regular season opens, is 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.239 it from right now? And sometimes it's like, well, Penney 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.160 Seel is twenty five and two days, so he doesn't fit, 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.160 you know. I mean, so there's always somebody that's right under, 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.120 right over that can mislead you a little bit, because 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.840 I think when I read to the ESPN one, the 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.200 Steelers are pretty low. They were like twenty seventh in 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.680 terms of under twenty five talent because I think like 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.760 three of their stars it might have been like Fraser Porter, 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:47.400 like just edged. 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:47.920 Out the cut. 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.560 So it can be a little misleading, but I wanted 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:55.120 to mention this to you too. The draft has changed dramatically. 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.720 Under twenty five might just be like rookie second year, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:01.880 right right right. It doesn't mean like they're even that 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.560 well established. You know, some of these guys have come 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:05.400 out so late. 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.280 For a while, when the vast majority of the guys 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:08.480 were coming out at twenty two. 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:10.480 Yeah, that's kind of twenty one. 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:12.839 Yeah, I think twenty five was a good cutoff point 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:13.040 for this. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.880 Absolutely. Now you'd get the jujus that couldn't even like 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.640 drink yet when he got the camp. But that twenty 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.160 two to twenty one was like the average. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:21.960 Maybe now this should be like an under twenty six 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.959 or a twenty five and under instead of an under 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:25.640 twenty five. 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:29.200 But it certainly influences the last couple classes to mesidor 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:29.840 might never. 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:34.040 Be eligible for this way, you know, good Lord Tyler 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:38.320 Shuck never eligible, was never eligible, right. This age represents 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.560 how old the players will be on September ninth, the 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.640 day that the season kicks off. On that Bekeds Day. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:43.960 They have to pick a day. 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:48.080 Yeah, quarterback Drake May who will turn twenty four here 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:49.040 in just about a month. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.160 I think on the ESPN list, the Patriots were first 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.760 or second mostly. I mean the Bears are high because 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.119 Caleb Williams and if you've a quarterback that fits here, 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.600 it should carry tons and tons of weight, especially the 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.160 year that made us had great. 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.240 It's nuts that both of these guys are still only 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.600 twenty four years old. Two running backs, Bijeon Robinson and 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.480 jamieer Gibbson, they still are This might be the top 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:11.640 two running backs in the league. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.480 They are like in the fantasy world, they're the first 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.000 two picks, you know, consensus. They are I think the 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.680 two best running backs in the league, two most valuable 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:25.520 especially if you factor in you know, age and wear 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.760 and tear in their bodies, which isn't much at this point. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.040 I've teased it, but I started fiddling with Matt stats, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:35.080 and you know, like my Bijeon bullet point is way 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.000 more impressive. I even thought, you know, like I knew 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.880 he's one of the best prospects I've ever seen, lived 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.760 up to all that in Atlanta. But you start matching 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.480 his first years against there as good as basically any 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.040 running back INFL history that they've come in the league, and. 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:49.360 He hasn't been in a very good situation. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.200 No, and Gibbs is obviously split some time with Montgomery, 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.640 but I mean he's been basically everybody's good. 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:59.039 Gibbs won't turn twenty five until March. Wow, we'll have 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.440 the Super Bowl in the combine in the books before 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.479 he even turns twenty five. That's crazy. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.640 Back to our previous conversation about draft stuff, I do 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.640 think it's safe to say that running backs will always 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:11.640 qualify here. I mean, they're not going to take the 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.520 extra year pounding just to hang it out as. 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.360 Absolutely absolutely not. They want to get to the league 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.080 and have the longest shelf. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.919 Life possibly get that second contract. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.279 Nuts that he's on this list, Matt when he just 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.320 won Offensive Player of the Year and had an all 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.840 time great season. Jackson Smith and Jigba is still just 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.480 twenty four. He doesn't turn twenty five until February. 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:31.080 Wow. 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.520 Crazy and Ted McMillan, the other wide receiver heading into 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.760 his sophomore season out of Caroline. 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.520 Rookie of the Year, I mean, a really good season. 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.200 I think he'll move him around a lot more, kind 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.680 of like the Smith and Jigma. Smith and Jigma was 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:49.200 often slot mostly almost slot only, never lined up in 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.000 the slot. I think he's going to start doing a 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:51.880 lot more things. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.800 The Offensive Player of the Year and the Offensive Rookie 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.000 of the Year your two wide receivers there. Tight end, 0:05:58.080 --> 0:05:59.440 we just talked about him. I think this is a 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:03.400 pretty easy It's brock Bauers still just twenty three years old. 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.599 Yeah, I mean, I think that's as easy as they come. 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.760 I think he's clearly the best player at his position, 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.000 and he'll probably be on next year. You know, he's 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:14.160 still got he's that young. He came out. I mean, 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.239 I know he played as a true freshman at Georgia. 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.440 I think he just played three years out. 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:20.840 The true way. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:22.600 Yeah, the wa he used to be back in the day, Bud. 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:24.839 And then they have a flex here Matt, where they 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.039 could have gone running back or wide receiver, they go 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.279 with the von A Chain, the running back of the Dolphins, 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.840 who is still also just twenty four years old. 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:36.039 I think he's noticeably behind Gibbs and Robinson, especially for 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.719 an every down player, but I mean he's still highly 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.080 effective and the Dolphins invested in him. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.360 Here's the offensive line, uh, starting on the left side, 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.960 offensive tackle Joe Alt still just twenty three years old. 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.960 He deserves that obviously needs to return from that injury. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.240 And the last we saw of him when he was healthy, 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:56.280 he was outstanding. 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.640 I can't imagine him not having a great career. 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:03.239 And right tackle is Josh Simmons from Kansas City, another 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.120 guy who was who had some some injury stuff last year, 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.040 but he's just twenty three years old as well. 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.440 He's also a left tackle. But I guess they're doing tackles. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:12.640 Right, They're just kind of doing tackles. 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.200 Yeah, he was very impressive. He just needs to clean 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.920 some things up off the field in consistency and injury stuff. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:18.160 You know. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:22.360 Two guards, Tyler Booker of the Cowboys, just twenty two 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.600 years old, and Gray's Abel twenty four years old of 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:26.840 the Seattle Seas. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:30.040 Both rookies last year as well with Simmons. Yeah, that's 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.680 a good pair of guards, really different. Zabel's much more 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:37.080 over mover and athlete, Booker's and old time that you 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.840 run behind on fourth downd guy mash Er, wide body, 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:40.240 you know. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.200 And Zabel had an outstanding year last year. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.800 He really was really really good. Yeah. 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:50.040 And then the center from the Colts Tanner Bortanelli twenty 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:51.440 four years boy. 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.640 Yeah, yeah, I guess Fraser's over. 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:54.120 He is. 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.000 I remember to have that ESPN thing. 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.280 That, Yeah, he just turned twenty five. 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:01.640 A couple just aged out. I'm fine with it, yea. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.400 But I mean he's not a top seven or eight center. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.600 He's been a pleasant surprise, but I guess the league 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.680 is not. Really It's another position. You're not going to 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:11.800 come in the league super old either, but you're also 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.760 not going to come in as a three year starter either. 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:17.520 That's pretty rare. There hasn't been a great influx of 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.360 young the last year or two at the center position. 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.480 I can think of Linderbaum's over. 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.160 I think like you know Graham Barton and Zach Frasier 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.880 are aren't eligible for this list just by missing the 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.720 cut off by a few months. So that's the offense 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:37.960 Matt defensive side of the football. Two edge rushers, one 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.960 of them of this parish, Nick Kerbick, twenty four years old. 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.240 Okay, I mean another reason to invest in them. He's 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.559 that young, right, I'm a little shocked that he made 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.840 the cut, but I mean it's I guess the league 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.560 isn't super rich with under twenty fi. 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.480 They've been looking for those next great edg Yeah. 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.720 Yeah, like Will Anderson's a little too old, you know, 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:00.760 things like that. I assume he's not one of them, right. 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.400 The other one is Abdul Carter of the New York Giants, 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:04.400 just twenty two years old. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.320 I think he's got a chance to be great, but 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.280 it's been he's not there yet. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:10.960 Yeah, he could be on this list though for another 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:11.360 two years. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:12.959 Oh yeah, just I didn realize he came in the 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:13.400 league that. 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:18.120 Young, twenty two years old. He turns twenty three in October. 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:23.040 Defensive tackles. Two of them. One that you rave about 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.760 all the time, Matt Byron Murphy of the Seahocks just 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.920 twenty four years old. The other a guy who is 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.480 just twenty two, very young. We didn't see much of him, 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.040 but what we did it was encouraging. Walter Nolan of 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:34.439 the Cardinal. 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:36.400 This is a good list because they went deep. I mean, 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.360 Nolan only played like eight games or so, but it 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:42.040 was a real six games. It's another position. I think 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.640 when we did Ledgyard's top twenty five defensive tackles, he 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.960 mentioned and he was right. The last couple draft classes 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.199 haven't been great at defensive tackle. 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:52.880 No, and he might be the one who could who 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.120 could change that. But yeah, he's got to stay healthy. 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.440 And I mean, like Harmon looks good, but Nolan looks 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.360 noticeably better than the other defense of tackles in that class, 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.280 especially Graham and especially Grant. They were all. 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:06.160 First ahead of you. 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:06.400 Yeah. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.600 Yeah, I mean he's he's got the capabilities of being 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.000 a stud and it's still just twenty two years old. 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:12.360 Wow. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.240 So Byron Murphy and Walter Nolan. Yeah, pretty strong there 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.480 On the interior of the defensive line linebackers. Here two 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:23.000 off ball linebackers Carson Swesssinger of course raining These rookie 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.160 of the year twenty three years old, for the Browns 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:29.600 and Cedric Gray of the Tennessee Titans. He's also just 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:31.280 twenty three years Who put this list together? 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.240 I'm pretty impressed because some of them don't digging out. 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:38.120 Lists put together by Wes Euhler of the Steelers. Oh no, sorry, 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:40.720 Nick Shook put the list together. 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:42.920 Gray is a name that people are probably like, who 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.800 is that? He's been really good, just on a bad 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.640 team that's never on national TV. And you're probably not 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.959 watching the Titans because the Steelers are on a different channel, 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.320 you know, yeah, yeah, you'd love to have Gray. 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:54.760 I'll put my hand up. I think I watched the 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:56.080 Titans two or three times. 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.240 Right, that was probably if you're a total nerd, you 0:10:58.240 --> 0:10:59.000 don't know who that is. 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.960 I was watching the Titans. I was watching cam Ward 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:04.480 on offense and Jeffrey Simmons on defense. Not watch U. 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.160 Yeah, and probably the losing and probably. 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:11.360 Losing two corners on this list not surprising. Christian Gonzalez 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.400 still just twenty four years old, and Kamari Lassiter of 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.719 the Texans just twenty three years. 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.240 Lastator is a great number two. I assume Porter is 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.360 just over too. I think he is, thank just from 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.120 that ESPN one. I'm almost certain because there was a 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.240 couple of young guysman Steelers you were excited about but 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:28.520 were just a little too old. 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:33.760 Joey Porter Junior turned twenty six yesterday, Happy happy birth JPJ. 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.760 Maybe should have given a contract on his birthday. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:36.840 How are they present? 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.480 No, but I like those two lasted. The's a number 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.720 two the teams try to pick on and don't have 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:44.640 a lot of success because Stingley's on the other side. 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.760 That's a real lockdown tandem. That's about as good as 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.480 you can get. And then two safeties and a flex. 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.160 All three of these guys outstanding players. A couple of 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:57.480 Super Bowl champions already here, Brian Branch of the Detroit 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.120 Lions twenty four years old, Nick Emon Worry we've raved 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:05.000 about him from Seattle, just twenty two years old. And 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:09.160 Cooper Dejean of the Philadelphia Eagles, who has himself a 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.320 Super Bowl trophy as well, and he is still just 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:12.800 twenty three years old. 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:14.880 There are an influx of these guys. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.120 Yeah, for the lack of some of the other positions 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:17.640 that they mention. 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:18.839 Strong man, the. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.240 Defensive backs, and a lot of guys like Joey Porter Junior, 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.680 who just missed the cut quin Jon Mitchell who just 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.760 missed the cut. A lot of really good talent young 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:27.440 at this position. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.400 What I also think is really telling him makes me 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.240 like this list even more too, is all three of 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.920 those safety names. You could even call them corners, and 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.000 back in the day you'd say they're slots. You know, 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.400 they are not Troy and Ed, you know, like they're 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.800 not Cam and Earl, you know, or one's a strong, 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:45.680 ones are free. I mean, these guys are the do 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:50.280 it all slot big nickel that is really taken over 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.680 the league. And I think that's going to be Ramsey 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:53.040 this year. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.520 I hope so man. Yeah, because if you could add 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.680 that to the Steelers defense right with the pass rush, yes, 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.839 with Porter and Dean on the boundary, I mean you could, 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:03.920 you could really be cooking. 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.920 So I mentioned I did a corner podcast exclude, so 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.040 I was talking a little bit about Porter's contract. But 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.280 again the reference FTN and their almanac. They have a 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.439 pretty good article or a really cool article up right 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:21.040 now where they judge every defense by DVOA that's their numbers. 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.480 Verse slot receivers. Doesn't matter if a running back or 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.480 who lines up their quarterback in line up there. Whoever, 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:30.600 the slot receivers are verse outside receivers. The Steelers were 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:34.440 much better against outside receivers than slots. 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.679 Interesting, which doesn't surprise when you know the middle of 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:38.960 the field struggles. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:42.360 Yes, and people don't like to attack the outside because 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.000 things take longer and they fear the pass rush. But 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.880 then they took it a step further and broke down 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:53.160 the players. So the outside corners, Porter was like eighth. 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.280 Best happen to know who number one was? Probably not, 0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:00.800 but Jamiel Dean interesting was number one, So they were 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.920 really strong at outside corner with Porter and no one 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.200 else on the list. Then they added number one on 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.280 the list to go with Porter. But what was really 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.680 interesting you might you'd probably think, boy, the Steelers' slot 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:17.400 corners must have really struggled. They didn't really what these 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.200 numbers told me, because Ramsey was like eighth and Eccles 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:25.040 was like eleventh amongst slot corners. Guys at the top 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.960 were like Hamilton Derwin, those names you just mentioned, Degene 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.960 which made me really encourage because and this passes the 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.600 eyeball test when you watch tape. I think a lot 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.960 of those slot receivers did a lot of damage against 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:45.400 linebackers or heavier safeties or the Clerks or Duggers of 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.520 the world. Because when it was Eccles or Ramsey, who 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.000 are very different but they're both slots, they did well, 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.560 but the team as a whole did not, which makes 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.920 me think they might be way better at it this year, 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.920 you know. And if they lookout look out right exactly, 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:03.960 because you're gonna be even better on the outside too, 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.800 you know, where you were already good, pretty encouraging. 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:08.960 It is encouraging, and it's gonna be certainly something will 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.040 keep an eye on, certainly something we're talking about plenty 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.200 throughout training camp and interested to see what that deployment 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.480 looks like. 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He does great work 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:20.840 talking about how the twenty eleven NFL draft class has 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.639 claimed to be the best defensive class ever in the 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.880 history of the league. It's pretty amazing, and he said, yeah, 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:29.920 he said, for decades it was very easy to say. 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.720 It was nineteen eighty one, which sent six defensive players 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:34.560 to the Hall of Fame. 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.080 Lawrence Taylor, I said, was LT was a second overl pick. 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:42.680 They leading the way, Kenny Easley, Ronnie Lott, Mike Singletary, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.240 Howie Long, and Ricky Jackson. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.120 That's pretty good. Pretty good, that's pretty good. I'm sure 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:49.879 there's some other guys that had good careers. 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:51.480 Yeah, pretty good. 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.040 Yeah, I'm not sure if this can beat it or not. 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.240 That's pretty good, he said, that's pretty good. But he 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:00.520 said the twenty eleven class really with Cam Hayes and 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.199 Cam Jordan's still playing at a high level in a 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:07.520 couple like Hall of Fame locks. Here here's how he 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.960 kind of lays it all out, in his case. 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.200 Super quick before he does really stands out about this 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:16.600 class to me in hindsight, obviously, is when first of all, 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.359 I was covering the draft at that point too, and 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:20.560 everyone thought it was a really really good class. That 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.480 was Cam Newton first overall, and frankly, they have some 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:27.600 pretty good offensive guys too, Julio Jones, AJ Green, I mean, like, 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.159 but what stood out to me about that class is 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.320 all the good players hit. I mean, like, if you 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.000 look at almost the entire first round, especially the blue 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:40.160 chip dudes, like the top twelve or whatever, not only 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.359 did you get some great players later than you would 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.480 on the other year, like AJ Green was like the 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.800 seventh pick in the draft, and Julio was like five 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.240 or something like that that could compete for one or 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:55.320 two any other year. But like everyone but like Christian Ponder, 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.879 basically hit and lived up to their draft. It was nuts, 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.000 which never happened. Happens happens. 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.160 So here's how he breaks it down. He basically says 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.800 that there's there's four locks for Hall of Fame in 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.520 that in that defensive draft class, and a lot of 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.960 other guys who are still still really good and might 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:19.639 might get there. The four locks. JJ Watt easy, easy, right, 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:20.000 right right. 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.000 I mean he competes. I think Lawrence Taylor is the 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.560 best defense player to ever lived. But JJ's he's in 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.119 the conversation, he's in that tier. I mean his career 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.680 numbers with Aaron Donald are ridiculous. 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.080 He was when he was at his prime. Yeah, he 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.199 was just unbelievable. 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.439 I remember Pro Football Focus was kind of new at 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.360 that point and they wrote an article saying, I think 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:45.199 we have to change our system because JJ Watts breaking 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.440 it right. We didn't think that anyone could be this good. 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:49.560 I mean his like average season was Defensive Player of 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:53.719 the Year. Yeah, yeah, just ridiculous. Another one, absolute no brainer, 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.720 Von Miller easily two times Super Bowl champion and one 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:01.680 of the great pass rushers of all time as well. 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:04.440 Richard Sherman the third lock. 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:05.840 I think he's a lot. 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:07.280 Yeah, I think so too. 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.719 It might not be first ballot or whatever. He's not up. 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.080 He hasn't been up yet. No, he's not. No, it's 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.320 got to be soon, probably next year. Now I think 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.400 about it, I think he gets in. I don't think 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:20.400 he's in the class of those two they just mentioned, 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.200 but I think he's, you know, a Hall of Fame. 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:24.520 Corner for a fifth round pick. 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.000 Played a lot of receiver at Sanford too. 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.320 He sure did, and in the last one he was 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:32.800 part of this parish briefly, Patrick Peterson. 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:37.680 I think he's a lock. He's into me over Sherman. Yeah. Yeah. 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:39.600 He also played a lot more man than Sherman did 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:40.359 in their prime too. 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.480 He did, he did, He was man. He was outstanding for. 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.639 What a prospect he was too. He's like a Jalen 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:47.400 Ramsey prospect where he was the. 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:49.880 First pick of that class, wasn't he In twenty. 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.959 Eleven, Cam Newton was one, But he was. I mean 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:55.760 he would be the top corner in any draft, you know, 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:59.880 just like a Ramsey, you know, big ridiculous athlete shapes 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.119 backs it up. I forget the order. Maybe you can 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:06.639 even pull it up. But Marshall Darius was the one, 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.840 like top six pick that was good, not great, but 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:13.560 like the draft is pretty it's really ridiculous at the top. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.720 It started with Cam. 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.480 Let's see here, cam Newton yep number one, Von Miller 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:23.160 number two, Marcel Darius number three, A. J. Green number four, 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:28.359 Patrick Peterson number five, Julio Jones number Alden Smith number seven, 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:33.160 who was had short lived and had issues, but my goodness, 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:33.680 but he was. 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:34.280 Yeah. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.760 JJ Watt was eleventh overall, Tyron Smith was ninth overall. 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:40.000 That's a Hall of Fame tackle too. 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:46.200 Remember Quinn fourteenth, Mike Pouncy fifteenth, Ryan Carrigan sixteenth, good 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.200 freaking lord, Kim Jordan in the first round, camp Yward 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:49.960 in the first round. 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:52.680 But the top half is the blue chip guys are 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:56.040 all insane. Like Darius is the only one that maybe 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:58.000 or yeah, he was just good, you know, but like 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:01.159 all the other ones like outkicked there draft pick coverage. 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:03.679 So he mentions those four his locks and then he 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.560 talks about the Hall of really good with this class, 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:10.560 guys like Alden Smith, guys like Robert Quinn, guys like 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:13.880 Justin Houston was in this draft. 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:15.600 I would definitely put Kerrigan in there too. 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:17.960 I would put Kerrigan in there. He does, Ryan Kerrigan, 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:23.760 Jabaal Sheared, Corey Leaguett all enjoyed lengthy careers. Jabal Shared 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:29.040 was a pick guy. Let's see, Uh, Jirell Casey was 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:32.560 in this class. Mohammedd Wilkerson was in this class. 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:33.920 Oh yeah, that's just. 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:36.040 Not It's a lot of really like not Hall of 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:36.840 Fame talent, but. 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:39.480 Guys like you're real happy with the pick. 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:42.760 Yeah, like maybe like Alex high Smith type level, right right, Like. 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.119 They might not be remembered by everyone for years and 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:47.400 years and years unless it's your hometown team, but you'll 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:49.040 take those guys. 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:51.680 They were the best player on the field. And then 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.360 he mentions the two wild cards who were still standing, 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:59.160 of course, are very own. Cam Hayward and Cam Jordan. 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:06.600 Both amazing careers, sort of parallel careers with one team 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:10.240 gonna go down as like Ring of Honor, obvious slam 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:13.960 dunks type guys. And I'm not trying to sound too partial, 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:17.240 but I think Hayward goes to Hall of Fame. I 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:18.480 think Jordan doesn't. 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.840 I think you're right, yeah, I I certainly think Cam 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:25.080 has the better shot to get in. 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:27.400 Yes, yes, he's just because. 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:29.639 He's been so good in the back half of his career. 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.520 Oh yeah, I mean the way he's finished slouch. But 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:36.760 Jordan had more sackson. I thought last year and a half. Yeah, 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.440 but I do think Hayward's clearly the better player now 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:43.880 and probably could last a little longer too. 0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:44.280 He says. 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:45.880 I bet this is Jordan's last year. 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:47.880 He said. If both of these guys have one more 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:50.840 big season, that'll probably be what puts them over the 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:52.560 top as a as a you know, a future Hall 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:55.639 of Famer. I think Cam, I think already in especially 0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:56.880 when you throwing the Walter Payton. 0:23:56.640 --> 0:24:01.080 Man away with those guys that really matters. Jordan might 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:04.920 have one too. I mean, I know he's super high regarded, 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:07.000 and he's been a candidate many times. I don't know 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:08.720 if he has one or not. I don't think he does. 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:12.480 He does not, Okay, he's you know, he's got one 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:15.080 first team All Pro and two second teams, where Cam 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:16.760 has much more. 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:21.760 But however, the premise of the article, I'm not sure 0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:24.600 if that's better than eighty one or not. I mean, 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.439 eighty one had six Hall of Famers too. I mean, 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:31.240 we're hoping to get the six, and I bet they 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.200 had some other good players that would be on the 0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:37.600 Kerrigan level. You know, sure, sure, I mean, but really, 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:40.560 the interesting thing about this draft is throwing Julio and 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:44.439 Cam and aj Green right right right, right right, Iron Smith. 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.400 I mean, these guys are all Hall of Fame type 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:47.000 dudes too. 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:49.919 Good Lord. The right up that he has here on 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:53.600 Cam is interesting and has actually a really cool stat 0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:56.240 in it. Steelers defensive tackle Cam Hayward has had an 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:59.600 unconventional career. He's entering his sixteenth season with the same team, 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:02.320 which is rare in the modern NFL. The only defenders 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:04.800 from this class to spend at least ten seasons with 0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:10.720 the same team are Jimmy Smith and Cam Jordan Okay, 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:14.400 he says since turning twenty eight, Cam Hayward has made 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.320 seven Pro Bowls. He's been a First team All Pro 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:21.360 four times. Just twenty players have made seven or more 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:24.880 Pro Bowls after turning twenty eight since nineteen ninety. Wow, 0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:29.840 Derek Brooks, Brian Dawkins, Ray Lewis, John Lynch, Ed Reid, 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:33.520 Bruce Smith, and Rod Woodson. All of those guys, Matt 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:35.159 are all Yeah. 0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:37.480 Again, I think Cam cannot play another down and he 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.159 goes in. I think so too, Yeah, but I think 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:40.680 if he has special After hearing that. 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:42.720 I think he has one more really good season. 0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.240 Yeah, Second team All Pro or even just goes to 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:46.360 the Pro Bowl or you know. 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:49.240 He almost becomes a lock, not a slam dunk first 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.800 ballo at lock. But I'd be shocked if he didn't 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:52.119 get in. 0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:56.280 And I don't blame him, but playoff success would also help, Yeah, 0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:56.840 you know what I mean. 0:25:57.119 --> 0:25:59.679 And don't have the playoffs, and Barnwell says that if 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:01.720 he played in a different era, fifteen years with the 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:04.600 Steelers would have been you know, surely come with at 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:06.359 least one Super Bowl victory is what. 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:08.440 Yeah, there aren't many fifteen year stretch. 0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:10.600 But he says that's really without pointing out the lack 0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:13.280 of playoff success, that's like the only blemish on Cam 0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:14.080 Hayward's record. 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:17.720 Yeah, I mean, because sacks are tough for that position. 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:21.880 And not to mention this, this goes for Keysol and 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:24.800 you know those type of dudes as well, Aaron Smith. 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:29.720 When Cam came in the league with Lebau, those guys 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:33.200 weren't sack artists. They were you three, eat up five 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.600 blocks and Kendro Bell makes all attacks exactly, you know 0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:36.000 what I mean. 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:37.720 Here comes James fer. 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:38.879 Yeah, and we talked about this a lot with the 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:41.920 edge guys of that year. It's like Porter and Gilden 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:44.720 and those dudes. If it's Sir Nate, they may drop 0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:47.520 off into coverage, you know, like you're passing downs. They 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:50.480 only rushed like fifty percent of the time, so it's 0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:52.720 hard to get sacks in those roles like that. Hurt 0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:54.720 Richard Seymour, who is in the Hall of Fame, you know, 0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:57.120 like three four d n's were not good for numbers. 0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:01.320 He mentions, you know, kind of like that, Chris Jones 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:03.240 is going to be a without a doubt Hall of 0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:05.960 Famer at that position. And then he mentions, you know, 0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:08.400 Cam Hayward going to be writing a conversation with Fletcher 0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:10.720 Cox and the Dominican Sioue both. 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:12.920 I take him over both those guys. In terms of 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:14.040 body of work. 0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:16.639 I think at I think at there. If you said 0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:20.560 those three at their absolute best, you could probably you 0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:23.760 could probably list Cams third, I would say, But in 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.760 terms of longevity it's not even close. Like on their 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.520 best day, Fletcher Cox and the Dominican Sue were defensive 0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:32.240 Player of the year time. Yeah, but man, their their 0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:35.760 their their peak, their prime was much quicker, much shorter 0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:36.200 than Cam's. 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.360 Yes, and Sue. Is it kind of did the Clowney 0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:41.400 thing where he was just like a mercenary year to year, 0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:45.240 and you know, I would think, right the longevity with 0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:48.200 one team teams extended the year after a year, because 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.560 if you're a mercenary, it also means that your former 0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:52.119 team decided we can. 0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:55.000 Live without you, we can move on from this. Yeah yeah, yeah, yes, 0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:57.480 So I thought that was interesting. Really good company though, yeah, 0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:01.280 really good company. Really good draft class overall there, especially 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:02.840 like you mentioned when you turn in the. 0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.720 Uh yeahlo and aj Green Yes, yeah right, there's a 0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:07.760 pretty Tyrone Smith and wake out. 0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:09.359 Yes, like he says, you know, if you kind of 0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:12.680 look at some of these years, twenty twelve has sent 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:14.200 one player to the Hall of Fame so far, in 0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:17.200 Luke Keigley. It feels like Bobby Wagner is a lock. 0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:17.680 Yeah. 0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.320 But other than that, you know, you got Fletcher Clock, 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.040 you got Stefan Gilmore. Who who might make it in 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:27.120 UH twenty and thirteen only part only defender with even 0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:31.920 a shot is Tyrone Matthew twenty and fourteen. Twenty and fourteen, 0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:34.520 Aaron Donald is a sure thing and Khalil Mack should 0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:38.880 join him. But that's two guys, yea yeah, twenty fifteen, 0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:42.920 won't send anybody to Canton. On Defense twenty sixteen, Chris Jones, 0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:45.479 Jalen Ramsey, perhaps Kevin Byer. So, I mean, you look 0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:48.200 at it most of these years. Stretch, big stretch. I 0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.520 think you and I did this exercise at one point. 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:52.280 I mean, if you get four or five out of 0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.080 a class period, the ball. 0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:55.880 Just have like one one and a half. 0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:59.160 Yeah, I think where I think there's a couple in 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:00.160 history that of a bond. 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.720 This one I think would have at least five, maybe six. 0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.760 Yeah. I mean, well, if you talk about both sides 0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:09.080 of the ball, oh yeah, yeah, surely you might get ten. 0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:13.320 You might get yeah, which would be a heck of 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.880 a heck of a draft class certainly. So fun to 0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:17.320 kind of look at that stuff this time of year. 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:19.920 Good right up by Bill Barnwell on ESPN dot com. 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:22.960 If you guys want to dig into that on your own, 0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:25.920 But one segment left before we close this thing down 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:27.400 for the day. You know what that means. We'll get 0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:31.320 two questions, comments, concerns, reactions. We'll hit the tweets before 0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:34.280 we get up out of here. E'ler and Williamson, it 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:42.560 is the drive Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network, and. 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:46.760 Now a word from our sponsor, bud Light. 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Before the next time 0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:09.440 you hear from Matt and I, we will be at 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:15.120 Chuck Nolfield the Honest press Box. Yeah, gorgeous scenic campus 0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:17.760 of Saint Vincent College of course in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. Out 0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:18.840 there in Westmoreland. 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:20.280 Canny, Yeah, I'm psyched. 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:21.959 It's good. Did you see they got the bridge? They 0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:25.000 got the bridge done on three seventy six by Squirrel Hill, 0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:26.960 which doesn't affect you and I from where we live, 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:30.760 but it's good news ahead of training camp for everyone. 0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:32.640 And it's going to be heading out towards Route thirty 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:36.080 and trying to avoid the turnpike tolls. Baby, come say hello, 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:38.680 Come say hello. Yep, you always know where to find us. 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:40.600 We're around the ground. You can't get to us during 0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:42.640 the show because we're in the press box, but we're always. 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:44.200 Were always walking around that neck of the wood. 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:46.680 We're just poking around the grounds. We're always doing shows 0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.040 in the evening, all the standard stuff that you come 0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:52.440 to expect that has not changed, despite plenty of things 0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:56.600 that will with this first Mike McCarthy edition of Training Camp. 0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.080 Ian, you did have a programming note. 0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:00.320 Oh yeah, I'm glad you remind me. 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:01.240 No video. 0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:04.160 Yes, so I think people again, I think our loyal 0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:06.320 listeners probably remember this. But I know we're always picking 0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:07.920 up people along the way and all that. We will 0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:10.800 not be on video during training camp because he has 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:13.320 too many responsibilities and it's just hard to be. 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:15.280 Small. 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:19.360 It's like a little tiny press box, yeah, where Matt 0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:20.920 and I are kind of right pressed up against the 0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:23.480 glasses and there wouldn't be a ton of. 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:25.320 Yes. 0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:28.840 But so after training camp, I would think probably maybe 0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:31.120 like the third week in August, sometime towards the middle 0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:33.520 of late August, when we're back in the studio, will 0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:35.200 be back on YouTube every day as well. 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:37.840 As your boy Mo says, that doesn't mean training camps. 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.640 Over training camp over just the public portion. 0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:42.640 We just won't be at Saint Vincent's right. 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:45.240 I'll miss him saying that on the last Like, just 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.080 so you guys know, training camp's not over all, right, 0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:49.600 the Saint Vincent portion of portion of it's over, but 0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:51.320 we still have to go back and suffer for a 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:54.800 couple more weeks. So around mid to late August, when 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.800 the Saint Vincent portion of training camp wraps up and 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.000 we're back in studio, we will be back on YouTube, 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:02.440 but for now, be a friend and tell a friend 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:04.200 that the only way to get the drive is on 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:10.160 your podcast platforms Steelers dot Com, iHeart Apple, Google. 0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:11.480 Spotify, all that we're not hard to find. 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:13.160 We are not hard to find, s and R Drive 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.440 wherever you get your podcasts. Ian says, you guys smell 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:18.600 that it smells like training camp. To me, it's time 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:22.360 to lock in. I'll see you guys at Dino's. Do 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:25.000 you think Joey Porter Junior and his agent are strategically 0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:28.120 waiting to sign his new contract until after Christian Gonzalez 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.000 signs his Thanks and missed you guys, And we talked 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:32.760 about that a little bit at the beginning of the show. 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:36.560 But it's certainly a possibility, because I think I think 0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:36.880 I would. 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:38.880 It's it's if you know it's going to come in 0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:41.160 super high, why would you not want that one more 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:42.960 bullet point in your favor. 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:45.800 It's almost like the opposite of musical chairs. Like you, 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:48.280 you want everyone else to fill out their chair and 0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:50.600 then you can look and say, hey, that's where I belong. 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:53.840 There, maybe slightly behind share number one, but well ahead 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.760 of chair number two. You know. Yes, And it's gonna 0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:57.800 be a big number of folks. 0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.840 It's gonna be a real big number. I do believe 0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:02.640 Matt and I will be doing a show at Dino's 0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:04.520 on Wednesday, by the way, as we come. 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:06.280 This Wednesday, Okay, that'll be our first night show. I 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:07.560 think I have four or five this year. 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:10.879 I think I've got three some at Sharkys. I think 0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:12.239 I have four actually. 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:15.279 One of the casino, two or three at Dino's, one 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:16.120 or two at sharky. 0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:17.719 Now that you I think I have one at the case. 0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:20.680 I do have one of the casino, one at Dino's, 0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.160 and two at Sharky's. I think it's four. It's four. 0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:25.480 But again, we are not hard to find, no, no, no, 0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:27.800 And if Matt and I aren't doing the evening shows, 0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.600 there's always a lot of fun happening still, you know. 0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:35.479 Pursuab anyways, probably one of those establishments. Anyways, unless there's 0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:36.600 no practice the next day. 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:38.279 Then we'll go home until we get home. 0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:40.239 We'll go home and sleep in our own beds and 0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:41.480 all that. All that. 0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:43.920 It's always like stuff at home. 0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.640 I always think like I'm gonna go home, there's gonna 0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:48.840 be nothing going on, And instead the honeydew list is 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:49.839 a dozen items long. 0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:53.560 I used to have have a big, strapping young boy 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:55.279 that could, you know, mowd a lawn or whatever. But 0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:57.759 he'll be off at school. He was off school last year. 0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:01.080 It's like it's done again. Lines up to my knees. 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:04.000 I've been been home for a week. Not what I 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:04.360 want to do. 0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:07.960 Steelers Nation steal a Nation nine twenty. Our buddy Tyler 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:12.000 up in Wisconsin says, fun conversation at work amongst all 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:16.160 the Wisconsin's they were arguing about Farv versus Rogers the 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.480 other day that I'd like to get your guys opinion 0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:21.200 on this. They all basically consensus said that Brett Farva 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.480 was way more fun to watch, but Aaron Rodgers was 0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:24.320 the better quarterback. 0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.520 I one hundred percent agree, and again, these are the 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:30.279 best quarterbacks that ever lived. But on that list, I 0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:33.040 think Farbe's a little overrated. I mean, there was a 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:35.120 lot of things he did to hurt his team, yes, 0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.680 and where Rogers doesn't have any of those naggs. 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:39.040 And I think Rogers had a lot of fun to 0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:43.439 watch when he was in his prime. But Brett Farv 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:45.960 was like the rock and roll front man. Yes, you know, 0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:48.719 he was like the rock and roll front man. Sometimes 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:52.160 those vocals were gonna be angelic. The other times he 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:53.760 was going to stay out all night partying. 0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.799 That's gonna sound like crap the next day. And no 0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.480 one like he was so different because it felt like 0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:01.840 everything with one hundred and fifty mins hour fastball, you know, 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:02.600 I mean he loaded up. 0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:04.880 He was a rock star man. 0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:06.000 Yes, yes, yes he was. 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:07.279 Maybe Slash is the better. 0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:10.560 Yeah, he was just or bottom, you know, just someone 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:15.440 that hit the drums hard. Yeah, I mean it's hit 0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:20.319 the drums really hard. Again. They're two of the top 0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:23.000 twelve quarterbacks that ever lived, but I don't think they're 0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:23.680 in the same tier. 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:25.799 I don't either. I think I think Aaron Rodgers is 0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:29.640 a tier ahead. Mister Steele City says, you have to 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:33.160 think our second team offensive line will dominate second team 0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:36.759 defensive lines in preseason, right. I think Caleb Johnson and 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.400 the quarterbacks have to show some flashes with the advantage 0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:41.840 they should have up front. Preseason is less than a 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:42.799 month away. Let's go. 0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:45.600 That's great. I think that's a really good angle. 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:47.759 Teen days away till the first preseason game something that 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:48.439 we're getting close. 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:52.479 So you would hope that a Caleb Johnson looks good. 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:55.279 I mean, he should have holes and I think he's 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:57.600 this this tweeter, I know if it's male or female. 0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:02.640 My fault is that the Steelers number two OH line 0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:05.279 can could probably compete with any number two OH line 0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:09.760 out there, and should in preseason be quite successful against 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:12.160 the d lines are facing. And we talked about this 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:19.560 a lot that it's really difficult to evaluate Caleb our Howard. Guys, 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:21.960 you don't know a lot about No one walks for him. 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:22.840 And last the. 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:27.080 Last preseason, no one was blocking. Caleb Johnson covered himself 0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:27.560 in glory. 0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:28.839 No no, of course not. 0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.160 The second team offensive line struggled. 0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:34.000 So who do we think will be the second team line? 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:37.160 He'll probably I mean if I would bet he's your 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:42.759 left and would be probably the right. I mean, if 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:43.960 they played the game today. 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:44.319 It's pretty good. 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:45.080 That's pretty good. 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:49.120 Ryan McCollum at center, yeah, or maybe. 0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:51.000 Hoffman maybe Hoffman, but. 0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:54.520 You have Jennings dunker out one of the guards. Yeah, 0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:56.319 I mean you could have two first round picks at 0:37:56.360 --> 0:38:00.480 tackle a third round pick at guard if it's i. 0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:04.520 Mean pretty accomplished. Yeah right, it probably would have. Probably 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:06.120 Mcallum would probably be the second seventh. 0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:08.000 That's what I think I would go with those five. 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:10.560 That's a really good second team offensive line man. 0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:14.040 Yeah, yeah, that's not bad, even like the Jones kid, 0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.600 Stephen Jones. Yeah yeah, I mean, if he's your third guy. 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:19.439 Like we saw from him in Spurts last year. 0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:22.879 If Broderick's not healthy, I mean so yeah, I feel 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.399 like we're missing somebody too. But no, that's that's probably. 0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:28.759 Your your second Spencer Anderson and Dylan Cook up with 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:29.640 the first. 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:31.840 Team at least to start at least. 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.680 First preseason game or you know, first preseason or first 0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:35.680 training camp practice. 0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:38.200 That's pretty quality second team O line. My goodness. 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:40.080 Yeah, I think there's probably some teams in the NFL 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.520 that would trade their first team offensive line for that 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:46.520 second team unit of the Steelers. R J says before 0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:49.040 every season, I like to do an eight leg division 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:52.000 winner parlay and let it ride. Wow, if you guys 0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:54.000 had to put your chips down right now. Who would 0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:56.240 be your guys eight picks for division winners this season. 0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:57.759 It's a good one. 0:38:57.920 --> 0:38:59.600 It's one of those things I always like, hold out 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:01.080 till my official Yeah. 0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.520 We'll do official picks and all that at some point. Yeah, 0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:05.640 probably after pre season, when we have a couple of 0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:06.680 weeks to kill. 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:11.800 Before Right now, I think I'm torn between Dallas and Philly. 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:15.120 I'm torn between the Bills and Patriots. Frankly, I don't 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:16.719 know who I'm gonna taken the AFC North. I think 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:18.840 there's three teams that have a case. I don't know 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:20.880 who I'm gonna take in the NFC North. That's the 0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:21.319 hardest one. 0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.000 I don't know who I'm gonna take the AFC West. 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:24.919 Yeah, yeah, NFC West. 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.040 Not is there a division right now that i'd say, 0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:28.560 oh yeah, I'm picking that team to win it. I 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:31.680 don't know. Maybe the Saints in. 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.400 The South, but they didn't win last year and. 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.560 They're not the Vegas favorites to win it this But like. 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:39.880 I bet Philly's a common choice, but I'm leaning towards Dallas. 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.880 I mean, Houston, Jacksonville both have a great shot to 0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:43.560 win the division. 0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:45.839 We know the I think Houston would be the one 0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:50.719 I feel firmest about of the eight. I mean none 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:52.280 of them are firm honestly. 0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:56.600 Maybe yeah, Like because the AFC North, we know has 0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.920 three legit contenders, the a f C West, the Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos. 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:02.600 The AFC East is a coin flip between the Bills 0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:03.280 and the Patriots. 0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:05.920 If you're down on one of those two teams, I 0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:07.399 could see a strong case for the other. 0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:11.000 North is gonna be a rock fight, Yeah, the East 0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.400 between the Eagles and the Cowboys. The West, yeah, the 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:15.399 Rams great, but they also have the defending Super Bowl 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:19.239 champion and the Niners n anywhere ever, go anywhere. And 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:22.000 in the South, I mean, I don't think the Panthers 0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:23.600 aren't the favorite to run it back, But do you 0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:26.840 really trust Tampa and New Orleans? It's I don't know 0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:29.319 if I remember a year, matt where there was not 0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:31.360 a clear cut Oh yeah, I'm picking that team to 0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:32.200 win that division. 0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:34.960 The opposite is true, Like it's easy to say Arizona 0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:38.239 and Cleveland or you know, or Miami or like. 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:39.600 The last couple of years going to the year, it's 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:41.520 been like the Bills are gonna run away with the AFC. 0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:44.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, the last this time of year to say. 0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.239 They're gonna run away with the West. 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:48.000 Many times, and a lot of people picked the Ravens 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:50.800 even or you know, that's interesting. 0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:52.640 That is that is an interesting one. RJ. Here's what 0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:54.400 I'm gonna do for you, dude. I'm gonna bookmark that. 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:56.400 All right, we'll save it and we'll get back to it. 0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:59.000 You might need it like three weeks still or ready 0:40:59.000 --> 0:40:59.239 for that. 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:01.080 It might need a little bit of time because you also, 0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:02.600 to be fair, right, you got to make it through 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:05.680 training camp and see who's still healthy. Yeah, somebody make 0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:07.879 any last minute roster editions and. 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:10.480 RJ, RJ, I wish you the best, but you're not 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:15.440 gonna hit that, parlat. I mean, some years has to 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:16.200 be easier than this. 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:19.040 He said that there was a year in further down tweets, 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:20.879 he said that there was a year where because someone 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:23.360 tweeted him back and was like, have you ever hit it? Yeah, 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:24.920 he said that there was one year that he got 0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:25.680 seven out of eight. 0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:28.680 Wow. I mean, I'm sure you could hedge when you 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:30.960 get the week twelve or whatever and it's looking good. 0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:32.400 I mean, I'm not an expert better, but I know 0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:33.320 there's things like that. 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:34.839 And r J, I know you say you let it ride, 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:35.200 and I. 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:36.880 Might put two dollars on it just to see if 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:37.120 I hit. 0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:40.040 From a degenerate standpoint, I admire that you let it ride. 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:42.719 But if it was a week fourteen and they're making 0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:43.800 me a nice cash out. 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:45.640 I could cash out right take that. 0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:47.319 Yeah, I might take that. 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:51.319 There's there's this year would be so hard, dude. 0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:54.280 It's they're I mean you could they're they're all wide open. Yeah, 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:57.400 they're all wide open. That's that's a good that's a 0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:58.040 good one from RJ. 0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.200 Though. We what's a fun tradition though, I mean we're 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:01.960 not saying it's betting his mortgage payment on it. Put 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:02.759 two bucks on it. 0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:05.200 And a fun thing between like you and your buds too. 0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:07.920 Yeah, can get more anybody. Yeah, all that. 0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:11.560 And everything, certainly certainly a lot of fun. Good show today, 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:14.480 fun getting back in here with you, Matt. Reminder, no 0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:17.400 Tuesday show, but then we'll be full steam ahead pedal 0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:20.840 to the metal Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday for Matt's favorite 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.680 those first four acclamation practice. 0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:26.040 Yeah, don't get your hopes up for action from those guys. 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:27.759 Yeah, we'll have a couple of things to get to. Oh, 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:30.319 a lot of it will just be deployment. And at 0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:32.120 the same time, though, will. 0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:33.799 Howard Drew Aller, Oh, they didn't do stuff. 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:35.480 Really, you better be able to make some throws when 0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:38.000 you're out there in shorts and there's no pass ration. Yeah, 0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:40.680 so there will still obviously be plenty. 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:42.960 Yeah. I might make it sound like they're a standing around. 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:45.520 It's just people. There's a couple of things throughout the year. 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:47.959 People get too excited about the Hall of Fame games. 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:51.880 Number one, absolutely, number one, wait for some football, all right. 0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:53.839 At least we see guys in paths like you don't 0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:58.719 know anyone after the but the acclamation periods another one. 0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:01.920 It's not training camp, it's not it's better than that. 0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:04.360 I'm psyched this could be. But you're watching it like 0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:04.719 this as well. 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:06.160 In fact, by the time we get to Friday and 0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:07.400 Saturday's practices, I'll. 0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:09.680 Be like, oh, then your real tireracclamations. 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:12.480 Pads on it, right, somebody right, right, But folks, it 0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:14.719 is all right ahead. It's an exciting time to be 0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:16.719 a Steeler fan, to be a football fan. It's an 0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:20.760 exciting time across Pennsylvania and across the National Football League. 0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:22.400 Matt and I can't wait to get out there and 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:24.600 bring it all to you beginning on Wednesday. But that 0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:27.359 will do it for us today. Thanks to everybody who 0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:30.560 participated on the tweets and I've been anxiously awaiting our 0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:32.320 return for the last couple of weeks. 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