Speaker 1: This is the Pike to Massacre. Returned to Pike County
Speaker 1: Season two finale, What's Next. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television
Speaker 1: producer at Katie's Studios with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane.
Speaker 1: For the finale of season two, we wanted to devote
Speaker 1: some time to answering listener questions this season. You've really
Speaker 1: helped lead us down some interesting and unexpected roads. We
Speaker 1: culled through a bunch of submissions and picked out a
Speaker 1: few questions that we felt needed to be discussed. We
Speaker 1: also invited a group of our regular contributors to join
Speaker 1: reporters James Pilcher and Angeanette Levy, as well as forensics
Speaker 1: expert Joseph Morgan. Welcome to the finale. It's been quite
Speaker 1: a surprising season. It's been a shocking season, I think yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean we started with a crazy turn of events,
Speaker 1: and now as we're learning more about the accused and
Speaker 1: the victims themselves, there's never a moment where I'm not
Speaker 1: prized by this case and what happened. And I think
Speaker 1: as we learn more and as these trials start to happen,
Speaker 1: I think that's only going to continue. That is The
Speaker 1: thing that I think I loved most about this season
Speaker 1: is some of the unexpected turns that we took. Really
Speaker 1: this show sort of unfolded real time, obviously starting with
Speaker 1: the initial plea with Jake Wagner, but then also we've
Speaker 1: done a couple of stories that were guided by listeners
Speaker 1: that we dug into to really look at the area.
Speaker 1: We really spend a lot of time this week digging
Speaker 1: into questions that we've been following along the way over
Speaker 1: the course of both seasons. The three top things we
Speaker 1: got were what are the details of what happened in Alaska?
Speaker 1: Where is Jake's wife Elizabeth? And who is the informant?
Speaker 1: And those questions drive each of us every day, and
Speaker 1: we do not know the answers, and we and journalists
Speaker 1: and experts have been digging, and the answers thus far
Speaker 1: have been impossible to come by, but that will not
Speaker 1: remain the case forever. We had a conversation today with
Speaker 1: two people that hopefully we can report back on that
Speaker 1: is mind blowing. And you know, that's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a piece of the puzzle. Right as we produce
Speaker 1: this podcast, as we produce anything, there are certain conversations
Speaker 1: that happened on the record. There are certain that happened
Speaker 1: off the record. Obviously, legally speaking, we have to have
Speaker 1: perfect releases in order for us to air certain pieces
Speaker 1: of information, you know, gossip, conjecture, things that are a
Speaker 1: matter of non fact are not usable and because of
Speaker 1: the gag order at this exact second, it's maddening because
Speaker 1: we get to speak to certain people and we're not
Speaker 1: able to share that information. Mike from Asheville, North Carolina wrote,
Speaker 1: why did you guys do all these breakoff episodes like
Speaker 1: the Michael Moran's story and the Curtis Francis story. Listeners
Speaker 1: wrote into us and gave us a heads up to
Speaker 1: be looking into these stories deeper, which was fascinating because truthfully,
Speaker 1: I don't know that we would have gone down that
Speaker 1: path had listeners not reached out and alerted us to
Speaker 1: other stories that were happening in the area, which really
Speaker 1: does speak to the totality of crime in a really
Speaker 1: specific pocket of the country. They definitely spoke to this
Speaker 1: theme of injustice in the community, and I mean, these
Speaker 1: were happening in the rodent's backyard, and so to not
Speaker 1: mention them would feel like we were not telling the
Speaker 1: complete story of this community. And like the Rodent case,
Speaker 1: the Curtis Francis case is so complicated and so tragic,
Speaker 1: and the benefit of having a season two is really
Speaker 1: being able to explore some of these stories more. In
Speaker 1: the same way we were able to expand on the
Speaker 1: Rodent's story at the Gilly story, we were able to
Speaker 1: do that with Curtis Francis, which is an honor to
Speaker 1: be able to do that. And so my question to you, James,
Speaker 1: so you report extensively on Michael Moran, why was that
Speaker 1: story important to you and how, if it all, does
Speaker 1: it relate back to the Rodent case? As I said
Speaker 1: in the episode, and I still feel this that I
Speaker 1: feel I owe the women the truth that you know,
Speaker 1: there's was a part of me looking at it from
Speaker 1: my male, white, privileged perspective that this stuff didn't really happen.
Speaker 1: You know, I had no idea, so I almost didn't
Speaker 1: believe it at first, and so when I found out
Speaker 1: it was true, it became like almost a mission of
Speaker 1: mine to say, you know what, more people need to
Speaker 1: know about this kind of thing. So that's for the
Speaker 1: Moran story specifically and sex trafficking. I've done subsequent stories
Speaker 1: about sex trafficking in the numbers state by state. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's been a major focus of mine since I started
Speaker 1: reporting this story. As a legal disclaimer, we should note
Speaker 1: that Michael Moran has been arrested on charges including human
Speaker 1: trafficking and promoting prostitution. He has pleaded not guilty to
Speaker 1: all charges and denied any ties to sex trafficking. He's
Speaker 1: currently awaiting trial. How it relates back, you know, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that, you know, there's not a direct correlation
Speaker 1: between the Wagner's and Michael Moran, or the Rodents and
Speaker 1: Michael Moran. I think it just gets to the aspect
Speaker 1: of rural America that most people don't see, and that
Speaker 1: law enforcement in that part of the country and these
Speaker 1: parts of the country just isn't equipped to handle these multifaceted,
Speaker 1: in depth, complicated investigations. And you guys covered it when
Speaker 1: you covered the Hopper Road episode. I completely admire what
Speaker 1: Jodie Barr did with the Hopper Road story and how
Speaker 1: even if they don't get a conviction, at least people
Speaker 1: have an understanding of what might have happened. Start out
Speaker 1: to Jodie Barr for what he did in that story,
Speaker 1: because he really did. He changed people's lives, you know exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, I saw something today. I won't name the publication,
Speaker 1: but there's a story out there saying that true crime
Speaker 1: is booming and whatever. But it is nothing more than
Speaker 1: a love letter to law enforcement. And I want to
Speaker 1: write the author and said, have you listened to any
Speaker 1: of this? Have you listened to some of the stuff
Speaker 1: that you guys have done and some other my colleagues
Speaker 1: have done. No, this is about unsolved. Why isn't this
Speaker 1: mystery solved? So I completely You know, there are people
Speaker 1: who think, oh, true crime is nothing more than making
Speaker 1: the cops look good. Well, no, I completely disagree with that.
Speaker 1: It's as much about holding the cops accountable as it
Speaker 1: is about telling the stories of the victims. And by
Speaker 1: the way things go away in the night, if nobody's
Speaker 1: talking about something, it just gets swept under the rug.
Speaker 1: And likely when you take a closer look, which we
Speaker 1: get the benefit of doing in a podcast of again
Speaker 1: the totality of the abuse of power, or a real
Speaker 1: look at how things are being covered and are they
Speaker 1: being covered enough? And are these cases being highlighted enough?
Speaker 1: You know, oftentimes listen investigators are investigating as much as
Speaker 1: they can and as fast as they can. We get
Speaker 1: the benefit of being a little bit courtside and taking
Speaker 1: even a closer look with the benefit of tons of time.
Speaker 1: And the hope really always is so hopefully move the
Speaker 1: needle to either move a case forward and or to
Speaker 1: make sure it doesn't happen again. Zach from Wilmington, Delaware
Speaker 1: asked have there been efforts to reach back out to
Speaker 1: the Wagner family members whatever happened to Deray the Wagner
Speaker 1: relative from season one. We've spoken to Deray numerous times
Speaker 1: since the hearing. She was one of our first phone calls,
Speaker 1: and it is obviously very raw for her. I mean,
Speaker 1: she spent, as listeners know, a lot of time proclaiming
Speaker 1: her family's innocence, and Deray I think is heartbroken and
Speaker 1: that is the only way to put it. And she
Speaker 1: declined to participate this season because I think she is
Speaker 1: not sure how to feel and how even if she
Speaker 1: was sure how to feel, how to even explain that
Speaker 1: to the masses. Could you imagine anything more horrifying? Of course,
Speaker 1: we defend our families, and my understanding was I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if Deray had directly spoken to Jake, but I
Speaker 1: know that Jake was giving the impression to at least
Speaker 1: his grandmother that he was innocent, and so they were
Speaker 1: shocked that all of a sudden, he's in the courtroom
Speaker 1: saying the opposite of that. So you know what I
Speaker 1: spoke to Deray the day of the hearing. She was confused.
Speaker 1: She thought, did someone put him up to this? Is
Speaker 1: he not in the right frame of mind. She wasn't
Speaker 1: sure what was going on because this was not the
Speaker 1: person that she had known for his entire life. So
Speaker 1: my question, a Jeanette, is what has your experience been
Speaker 1: reaching out to the Wagner family members if you have, well,
Speaker 1: I've only really reached out to the lawyer's Billy Wagner's
Speaker 1: lawyer got back to me very politely and just you know,
Speaker 1: said that anytime there's a crime with multiple defendants, you
Speaker 1: know that one of them may or may not, So
Speaker 1: you don't see that there's always that chance and they're
Speaker 1: going to look at the case that type of thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't really reach out to Frederica or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Anytime I've done that, it's not been fruitful. So I
Speaker 1: just didn't see any points I've reached out in the past,
Speaker 1: and she doesn't say anything. Frederica Wagner had been very
Speaker 1: vocal and speaking to the press, and as of today,
Speaker 1: she has not said one thing publicly about her family.
Speaker 1: Jake has played out, So I'm curious what's going on
Speaker 1: with her personally and also what the implications will be
Speaker 1: in the upcoming trials. Same with Rita Joe Nukam, Angela's mother.
Speaker 1: I'm personally fascinated by the grandmothers. Frederica seems to be
Speaker 1: a complicated person. I mean, Frederica, as we know, is
Speaker 1: a staple in the community in terms of her presence
Speaker 1: with real estate and businesses. I just think about the
Speaker 1: ripple effects of the crime and how it's going to
Speaker 1: affect Pike County for years to come. Angie from Carl's
Speaker 1: Bad New Mexico wants to know how covering this story,
Speaker 1: how has it affected you personally or professionally. I would
Speaker 1: say I think it makes me think about trust, certainly
Speaker 1: about who you have in your life and the relationships
Speaker 1: you have, because whether it's Jake and Hannah Rodin's relationship
Speaker 1: or it's now Jake Wagner and the rest of his family,
Speaker 1: I think it is a little bit be careful who
Speaker 1: you trust. Yeah, this is one of those real cases
Speaker 1: of the boogeyman is not out there, it's in your circle.
Speaker 1: And not only in your circle. These were people that
Speaker 1: were really close friends. The Wagoners and the Rodents. We
Speaker 1: know we're extremely tight, way more than was earlier reported.
Speaker 1: So I think for all of us, that's been the
Speaker 1: nauseating element here. That's been the part that you can't
Speaker 1: kind of shake where you think you'd have a sixth
Speaker 1: sense about it, or you would meet somebody and you
Speaker 1: would know they're they're bad news, they're going to bring
Speaker 1: very bad things to our family. Yet that wasn't the
Speaker 1: case at all. They were at the same wedding, hugging
Speaker 1: and chummy and you know, really shared beautiful times together.
Speaker 1: So at what point does that tip over? I think
Speaker 1: has been a real fascination of ours. And then I'd
Speaker 1: oppose the same thing to you, Joseph. Let me just
Speaker 1: say in twenty sixteen, I've been you know, kind of
Speaker 1: neck deep and covering crime for a while now on
Speaker 1: a lot of that works and whatnot, really big cases,
Speaker 1: and there there were a lot of big cases in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, But I have to confess. When the road
Speaker 1: in case hit, I was actually covering it with HLN
Speaker 1: and Nancy Grace and we've gone on to you know,
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Nancy and I have extensively on
Speaker 1: air and particularly at that time. And one of the
Speaker 1: things that struck me about it being a guy that
Speaker 1: comes from these rural routes like I do, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of the country mouse comes a big city kind
Speaker 1: of thing. I've never seen or heard of anything like
Speaker 1: that in my entire life. I was just amazed. And
Speaker 1: then when you go out to those locations, you get
Speaker 1: out and you look at this property and I don't
Speaker 1: know the word, I'd say emptiness, but there's a vacancy
Speaker 1: to it. And you know that you get out there
Speaker 1: and you see what may have been there and it's
Speaker 1: no longer there Isn't that really really something that kind
Speaker 1: of resonates with you, you know how how it leaves
Speaker 1: this this huge scar throughout that community. You know, this
Speaker 1: this vacancy, but yet it's it's haunted. It's haunted and
Speaker 1: a you know, not I'm not saying that in a
Speaker 1: sense of, you know, some kind of ghost tale or something.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's a haunted place. In this sense, this
Speaker 1: is a kind of event that years from now, kids
Speaker 1: are going to be sitting around campfires, you know, fifty
Speaker 1: years from now, and they're going to be saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to hear a ghost story. You want to
Speaker 1: hear about the worst thing that ever happened. And so
Speaker 1: right now it's a very urgent thing. We'll waiting on
Speaker 1: trials and all this will thing, but then it leaps
Speaker 1: over and into into the mythology of a place, and
Speaker 1: that's going to happen. That will happen, and this will
Speaker 1: be something that will be rememberable. We're going to take
Speaker 1: a quick break here, we'll be back in a moment.
Speaker 1: And has covering this case had an impact on any
Speaker 1: way you report now or has it affected you personally
Speaker 1: or professionally. I think that's hard to answer. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, some stories change the way you report or
Speaker 1: make you look at things differently. You know. I kind
Speaker 1: of approached this like I approached any story. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to know the truth and figure out what happened
Speaker 1: and try to help you know, if we could bring
Speaker 1: some light to what happened. So, I mean it was
Speaker 1: very sad to me. I mean I it was just
Speaker 1: it's just awful when you would watch the family and
Speaker 1: go individuals and stuff like that, and you would see
Speaker 1: what they were going through. And there were sometimes where
Speaker 1: I felt like the family wasn't treated very well by
Speaker 1: some media. You know. I feel like I tried to
Speaker 1: always treat them, the family, the Roden family, with kindness,
Speaker 1: as I do everybody on a story with unless they're
Speaker 1: you know, like a politician and then you chase them
Speaker 1: down straight or whatever. But I just feel like it
Speaker 1: maybe gave me a greater appreciation for the loss that
Speaker 1: people really suffer, just because of the children involved in this,
Speaker 1: of course, but just you know, just the senseless. This
Speaker 1: is like truly you hear people say, well it was senseless, Well,
Speaker 1: and all killings are pretty much senseless, but this was
Speaker 1: really really on another level, and so I think the
Speaker 1: humanity just talking to Leonard Manly and seeing the pain
Speaker 1: that it brought him and his family, and seeing Geneva
Speaker 1: Rodin and you could just see the pain on her
Speaker 1: face when she would come to court, just dutifully coming
Speaker 1: to court. You know, there's no elevator out there at
Speaker 1: the Pike County Courthouse, so she has to like walk
Speaker 1: up those stairs each time with her cane and she
Speaker 1: has a bad foot, and in telling this story, just
Speaker 1: really so try to focus the best you can on
Speaker 1: the loss, or at least bring that through in the storytelling.
Speaker 1: I feel like I learned something from every story I cover,
Speaker 1: and it probably changes me in some ways, you know,
Speaker 1: you learn and e Bold, I know a couple of
Speaker 1: you are parents, and it sounds so cliche, but it's
Speaker 1: so true, Like even you know, when I have my
Speaker 1: mind in this case particularly, it really makes you grateful
Speaker 1: for what you have, knowing what can be lost like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would agree with you one hundred percent
Speaker 1: on that. And I feel for those kids. Obviously I
Speaker 1: don't know any of these children, but just the thought
Speaker 1: of children growing up not knowing their parents now because
Speaker 1: of this that's going to happen. I try to keep
Speaker 1: my emotions separate, but it's hard. You know, sometimes you
Speaker 1: come home and you look at your own children and
Speaker 1: you just think, God, what would happen if my child
Speaker 1: was left because of that? And you try to really
Speaker 1: put yourself in that place, and it's just I can't
Speaker 1: even imagine. I just hope this kids are going to
Speaker 1: grow up and be Okay. You know, we get up
Speaker 1: in the morning every day and think about people who
Speaker 1: we've never met, and think about families who we never
Speaker 1: will outside of the interviews that we have the benefit
Speaker 1: of doing. And I can speak for all of us
Speaker 1: to say, if you speak to a person, whether it's
Speaker 1: on a phone or on a zoom or eye to
Speaker 1: eye in the same room, and their entire family has
Speaker 1: been slaughtered, and they can sit before us and tell
Speaker 1: their tale and have the wherewithal and the composure to
Speaker 1: be able to push on in their world. Certainly we
Speaker 1: can tell their stories, and we also can push on
Speaker 1: in our worlds. And I think that's very inspiring in
Speaker 1: a way. We've been wildly inspired by this case in
Speaker 1: ways I can quite describe. The Rodent family has become
Speaker 1: a piece of our DNA. Do we know for sure
Speaker 1: George's trial will be next and do we know what
Speaker 1: the order is? Yet? All we know is that George's
Speaker 1: trial is the only one who's been scheduled. They might
Speaker 1: schedule Mom and Dad earlier than that. They could still
Speaker 1: do that. They very well could still do that, But
Speaker 1: as of right now, the only one we know of
Speaker 1: is next spring. We're going to have a trial unless
Speaker 1: there's a plea deal. These prosecutors have been dealing with
Speaker 1: this case for years, so I assume they've got some
Speaker 1: type of game plan, or they think they know who
Speaker 1: could go next, or who they want to potentially offer
Speaker 1: something too next. I mean, I'm sure they have a plan.
Speaker 1: I don't know that they have a plan. I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of surmising, you know, I'm sure they've thought about
Speaker 1: this over the years. I think it's so compelling to
Speaker 1: better understand how one trial will influence the other. It
Speaker 1: is unusual to have four now trials of family members
Speaker 1: back to back, so imagine one trial, of course, impacts
Speaker 1: the other, and the bombs that come along with that.
Speaker 1: Particularly Jake Wadner facing off for the first time as
Speaker 1: now stipulated in his plea agreement, that he will testify
Speaker 1: against his own mother, his own brother, his own father,
Speaker 1: is mind blowing. There's no way this can play out
Speaker 1: in any universe that is not shocking. If they are
Speaker 1: turning on each other, that is a piece of the
Speaker 1: equation that we really never thought would happen until Jake
Speaker 1: appeared at that hearing. How do you throw your son
Speaker 1: under the bus, and how does your son throw his
Speaker 1: own mother under the legal bus. That is a legal mess,
Speaker 1: and I'm so curious to see how it plays out.
Speaker 1: Let's stop here for another quick break. We'll be back
Speaker 1: in a moment. Colleen from Aspen, Colorado asked, what do
Speaker 1: you think is going to be the end result of
Speaker 1: the case when all is said and done. Are there
Speaker 1: going to be any more surprises? I would predict at
Speaker 1: this point they're all found guilty, and I think there's
Speaker 1: probably no plea deal, and we're going to see these
Speaker 1: trials happen one or the other, starting with George. I
Speaker 1: think it'll be starting with Angela. Wagner and George will follow,
Speaker 1: and Angela's trial will set the stage for the remaining two.
Speaker 1: If Jake is lying, is that a possibility to anybody
Speaker 1: that Jake is lying? I don't know. I mean, if
Speaker 1: what they said is true over that ten to eighteen
Speaker 1: hour confession, if that's indeed you know the story and
Speaker 1: he said it was all true and he led them
Speaker 1: to murder weapons and the vehicle used. That's some pretty
Speaker 1: compelling evidence. So you know, there may be another domino
Speaker 1: or two to fall, and maybe there will be somebody
Speaker 1: that ficks it out. And says no, I'm going to
Speaker 1: roll the dice and go to trial. I've said it before.
Speaker 1: They're either, you know, with Jake's deal, that's pen leaves
Speaker 1: off the table. So you either plead guilty and get
Speaker 1: life in prison, or you roll the dice and get
Speaker 1: convicted and get life in prison, or you roll the
Speaker 1: dice and get a hung jury. So but kind of
Speaker 1: how I look at it, James, will there be any
Speaker 1: more surprises? Well, I think it depends on your definition
Speaker 1: of surprise. Jake pleading guilty a few months ago that
Speaker 1: was a surprise. At this point with that on the table,
Speaker 1: I don't think anything would be surprising. I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: think someone deciding to stick it out to say yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to trial would be surprising, or
Speaker 1: pleading out would be surprising. I think it's going to
Speaker 1: depend on how hard and which we link the prosecutors
Speaker 1: decide to push on where they see the weak links,
Speaker 1: if they see a weak link, I mean, they're all
Speaker 1: being kept in separate prisons, and they're all being kept
Speaker 1: with separate counsel. Now those counsel can talk to each other,
Speaker 1: but the wagoners can, So I don't know at this point,
Speaker 1: nothing surprised would surprise me in this case anymore apart
Speaker 1: from they went to trial and got a not guilty verdict,
Speaker 1: that would be a shocker. A really really sincere thanks
Speaker 1: for your time, information, passion, all of it really on
Speaker 1: behalf of Katie Studios. Just thank you to the listeners.
Speaker 1: You know, we hit number one in all categories because
Speaker 1: people kept tuning in and as we talked about, led
Speaker 1: us in the right direction in terms of other things
Speaker 1: to be discussing and unpacking. So thank you. As we
Speaker 1: bring season two to a close, one piece of the
Speaker 1: puzzle has been solved. Jake Wagner changed just pleaded guilty
Speaker 1: and said he was responsible for five of the eight
Speaker 1: Rodent family member deaths. What plead you wished to hit
Speaker 1: her at Gel seven to Jake Wagner faces life behind
Speaker 1: bars and has disclosed details of the plot to kill
Speaker 1: the Roden family to authorities. He told us let us
Speaker 1: to discover some evidence that had yet to be recovered,
Speaker 1: specifically the weapons that were used in these offenses. He's
Speaker 1: also implicated his family and the gruesome murders Billy Wagner,
Speaker 1: Angela Wagner, and George Wagner. The fourth all still face charges,
Speaker 1: including aggravated murder. Jake Wagner has actually agreed to testify
Speaker 1: against his mother, his father, and his older brother, while Angela, Billy,
Speaker 1: and George Wagner continue to maintain their innocence. Questions remain.
Speaker 1: Angela Wagner was a suspected mastermind of the conspiracy to
Speaker 1: kill eight members of the Roden and Gillie family. Prosecutors
Speaker 1: say the Wagners lived an insular life focused on control
Speaker 1: of children and the young women who entered their lives.
Speaker 1: But with judgment day for accused brother George Wagner, the
Speaker 1: fourth just around the corner. George Wagner's trial date has
Speaker 1: been said for twenty two. What will happen in the
Speaker 1: meantime is anyone's guests. Will there be another plea deal?
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see where this case goes from here.
Speaker 1: Now they have someone who is cooperating, they have someone
Speaker 1: who can give them specific evidence. What exactly is Jake
Speaker 1: going to say in the stand. It's going to be
Speaker 1: interesting to watch what happens with a few Could grandmother
Speaker 1: Rita Nucam make an appearance on the witness stand. Nucom
Speaker 1: is a notary and prosecutors say she forged guardianship documents
Speaker 1: three weeks before the Rodents were murdered. The fine details
Speaker 1: of this plea agreement are under sealed with the court,
Speaker 1: so it's still a question about whether or not Newcome
Speaker 1: will be required to testify at the trials, or will
Speaker 1: grandmother Fredericco Wagner end up back in court. The seventy
Speaker 1: seven year old Wagner faced two felony charges, obstructing justice
Speaker 1: and perjury. I've never lied about anything. I was innocent.
Speaker 1: They had no evidence against me. She can be charged
Speaker 1: again in this case later, perhaps most importantly, will the
Speaker 1: victims families finally see closure in the case. Our family
Speaker 1: will never stop trying to bring whoever did this to justice.
Speaker 1: One thing is for sure. There's much more on the
Speaker 1: horizon in this case just keeps on coming. I still
Speaker 1: wonder if there was much more to this that we
Speaker 1: don't know, and what would drive someone to do what
Speaker 1: happened here. There's still to me a whole lot of
Speaker 1: un answered questions here. More on that next season, but
Speaker 1: check in next week when we'll be bringing you a
Speaker 1: special bonus episode before the break for more information on
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