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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast, New England, Blue Block. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Dan Anders, and I'm coming to you from

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Speaker 1: a country filled with heroes in bunkers. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood. What is up? Boys and girls? Hey, hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: remember that old one? You know? The coronavirus has taken

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Speaker 1: so much from us. It's annoying, it's insidious, and it

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Speaker 1: got us again yesterday. We did the Media Talents NFL

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Speaker 1: Media Talent Summit on Tuesday. But because no one can

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Speaker 1: now get together at a posh hotel on the west

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Speaker 1: side of Los Angeles, right on the on the ocean,

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Speaker 1: it's a It was a virtual summit. And think of

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Speaker 1: all the things that we lost because of that, all

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Speaker 1: the fun, uh, Michael Irvin getting to just watch him

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Speaker 1: sitting there and see how long it takes before he

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Speaker 1: taps out. Didn't see that, by the way, didn't didn't

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Speaker 1: see the very highest of the high. Didn't see the highest.

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Speaker 1: But that used to be one of the hooks of uh.

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Speaker 1: That was one of the great hooks of the Talent

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Speaker 1: summit quote unquote, is that even the highest of the

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Speaker 1: high had to attend, so you saw them squirming in

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Speaker 1: the chair like the rest of us. And the biggest tragedy,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sesslers. We didn't have Steve Smith and all the

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Speaker 1: other guys screaming at Al river Ron about the new rules.

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Speaker 1: We lost all of that and the coronas coronavirus strikes again. Well,

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Speaker 1: there is a part two to the summit, which I

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Speaker 1: guess might include some of that, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: that it was without its charms, because there was a

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Speaker 1: there was a moment during it. There was a you know,

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Speaker 1: if there were there was a very intense um conversation

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Speaker 1: going on, and if you've been on one of these

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Speaker 1: zooms with sixty people where you can see them and

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm shuffling through from page one to three,

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Speaker 1: and UM couched on page two during this. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to say what the subject matter was, but it

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Speaker 1: was UM important, very it would be a time for

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Speaker 1: you to to look plugged in and to be paying

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Speaker 1: attention to the company messaging. And UM I catched Dan

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Speaker 1: and Dan is in the in the in the setting

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Speaker 1: that he is right now up and his father in

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Speaker 1: law's Uh. I guess you'd call that an attic area

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Speaker 1: redone established that this is Bill O'Brien's attic, Bill O'Brien's.

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Speaker 1: He's up in Bill O'Brien's attic, but um completely not

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Speaker 1: engaged in the conversation. Dan, in fact, is on a

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Speaker 1: phone call and swiveling around the room in his chair

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Speaker 1: And I texted Danna said, Dan, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're doing those texts. Let me

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Speaker 1: read those, because I had forgotten that I was on camera. Well,

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Speaker 1: because you know, the zoom stuff is a little bit

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Speaker 1: and ai because once Mark made a joke about it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't see the text for five ten minutes,

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Speaker 1: but then I did, and there you were. You were

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Speaker 1: still going wild forever it went on. It went on

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Speaker 1: way longer than it should have. Uh it, says Mark

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Speaker 1: wrote to me. I'd go off video, bro in tent combo,

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Speaker 1: with a unicorn bro it. But only after I saw

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Speaker 1: promptly went off video. Well you saw it, but I

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Speaker 1: sent those at least twelve minutes before you read them.

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Speaker 1: I was dying there because I was like, we had

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Speaker 1: the highest to the high of our company. If any

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Speaker 1: of them were to see Dan, well, everyone else is

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Speaker 1: just very magnetized and giving great opinions and discussing. You

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Speaker 1: got Dan flipping around. I don't know who you were

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Speaker 1: talking to? You, Dan, I don't know what I was

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Speaker 1: talking to, and it would have to be someone very

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Speaker 1: important for me to jump off. Temporarily, my focus it

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Speaker 1: was the Gatesville Messenger. It was the long awaited one

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Speaker 1: on one interview with Heather Ashley, their features columnist, and

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Speaker 1: I had to take the call. And you know if

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Speaker 1: the bosses do, you know, hit me up with a

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Speaker 1: phone call on an email and they want to discuss

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Speaker 1: why I wasn't plugged in that moment. I was promoting

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Speaker 1: the brand across the country. You've got intense cover, no

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Speaker 1: doubt this you do. That was bad though. When I

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Speaker 1: saw the text, there was a holy bit moment. Oh god,

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Speaker 1: you know when Mark only breaks out the brof things

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Speaker 1: the other problem, and Mark alluded to it, the conversation

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Speaker 1: as something that was disrespectful. I mean, no disrespect that's all.

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Speaker 1: We know. That great though, I just gotta turn the

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Speaker 1: video off, Like like the meeting was smart enough to

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Speaker 1: most of the time. I've I thought it was like

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Speaker 1: I know, Mark, you were on video most of the

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Speaker 1: time too. I I just it was the right thing

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Speaker 1: Rika had a cardboard cutout of herself that was inble

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Speaker 1: I told the Arika, I told Dereka. The only thing

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Speaker 1: it as like a gift that blinked occasionally. We really

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Speaker 1: had people well, we were gonna we Our plan was

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Speaker 1: to all at some point put up. It was a

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Speaker 1: headshot of America. All put up head shots of America,

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Speaker 1: and that would have caused um total chaos. It would

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Speaker 1: a long eight hour day. And my head shot is

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Speaker 1: smiling and very attentive, and I had my headphones in.

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Speaker 1: I just you know, right, well, it's on America. Good

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Speaker 1: job America, today's show. Shut up. You were the one

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Speaker 1: on the phone swinging around, like swinging your head around,

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Speaker 1: like headbanging like around. Ah. I told you that was

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Speaker 1: not my finest moment. But you know, a lot of

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Speaker 1: America playing shuffleboard yourself. You're running from one end of

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Speaker 1: doing these zoom meetings every day for work, for hours

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Speaker 1: There were multiple times where I forgot I was in camera.

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Speaker 1: honest with you, Ah, all right, spun the wheel of

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Speaker 1: teams on Monday landed on my New York Jets. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have Miniche Meta of the New York Daily

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Speaker 1: News joining us in conversation. And and I love that.

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Speaker 1: As soon as I say that, Jets fans are either

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Speaker 1: let's hit the news. What's up everyone, Autumn here or

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Speaker 1: doing another que and a today? And I'm taking the

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Speaker 1: questions from comments from my different YouTube videos, So let's

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Speaker 1: jump right into this. What weight do you use an extreme?

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Speaker 1: That one is from Mark Sessler? This Mommy Mark Sessler

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Speaker 1: thoughts on juicing in the morning. This one is from

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Speaker 1: I don't hope I pronounced his name right, a hero.

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Speaker 1: What type of shoes do you wear? From Mark Sessler? Hi. Wow,

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Speaker 1: someone put a fair amount of work into that, because

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Speaker 1: that is completely fictitious. So that was Autumn. I've found

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Speaker 1: it right on YouTube. It was kind of weird actually,

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Speaker 1: told us today that you were doing your beach body

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Speaker 1: our last summer just got hotter, Yes it did, and like,

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Speaker 1: doing that again. No more yard workouts. I mean, just

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Speaker 1: but I'm shorts. Just but I'm that's a fair solution.

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Speaker 1: gate briefs. Keep it like punched in the front right there,

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Speaker 1: Players Association on Tuesday told its players they'll will be

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Speaker 1: zero preseason action uh this summer. Mike garretfoll and Tom

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Speaker 1: Pellar Sero and rap Sheet all reported this. Union leadership

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Speaker 1: one day after the league had proposed a one game

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Speaker 1: preseason slate to the union. They followed that up later

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Speaker 1: on Monday with an adjusted offer that included zero preseason games. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This had been a note of contention and now that

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Speaker 1: is wiped away. So Uh, that is one of the

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Speaker 1: since Monday. Greg. Yeah, And I think it's significant because

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Speaker 1: it really shows a the league is, you know, trying

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Speaker 1: to listen to some of what the players are saying.

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Speaker 1: I think the social media blitz that the star players

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Speaker 1: bringing the message to the public. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: and the NFL hasn't officially even announced this yet. They've

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Speaker 1: just told the NFL, but we're reducing it to two

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Speaker 1: and here's the ticket plan. We're gonna do one and

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Speaker 1: each thing. That was just a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: and and it's like, hey, we're still starting training camp

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Speaker 1: and now here we are, Okay, the preseason is gone.

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Speaker 1: but it's not really starting on time. They're just testing

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Speaker 1: It's been left to private businesses. You've seen Walmart and

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Speaker 1: so many grocery stores being ahead of the government in

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Speaker 1: in those southern states that they're making the decisions that

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Speaker 1: you have to wear masks, whereas the governments are not

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Speaker 1: like and and that's ultimately I guess what the NFL

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Speaker 1: is kind of coming down to is that it's up

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Speaker 1: to the private businesses. I mean, if you really want

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Speaker 1: to strive for accuracy, you know, Madden one is rolling out.

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Speaker 1: I I don't think that you put you know, you

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Speaker 1: got you got the close ups on the head coach,

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Speaker 1: and you got Adam Gaze strolling around on the sideline.

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Speaker 1: I mean he should be in a mask on Madden one,

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Speaker 1: just to really paint the picture of him, like, to

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Speaker 1: really get the simulation correct. Am I wrong? And I've

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Speaker 1: done some Madden UM broadcasts on Twitter. We have some

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Speaker 1: some sway here potentially, like the idea, I like the

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Speaker 1: idea of those Adam Gaze eyes darting all over the player,

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Speaker 1: you know, the rest of the rest of his face

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Speaker 1: covered up. Um, you know we have you know, Dan,

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Speaker 1: if you have another point, I was gonna say, we

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Speaker 1: have we have some breaking news. Yeah, let's go alright.

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Speaker 1: Breaking news out of Minnesota. The Minnesota Vikings have reached

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Speaker 1: an agreement on a multi year contract extension with coach

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Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer. According to Tom Pella sera, who, by the way,

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Speaker 1: he's kind of having a breakout off season himself. Tom

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Speaker 1: pallisera been breaking a lot of news. He's tight with Zimmer.

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Speaker 1: He breaks this story and uh, one of the one

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Speaker 1: of the longest, one of the longest tenured coaches now

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Speaker 1: in the league is Mike Zimmer even going into this season,

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Speaker 1: which is crazy to think about, but he's going to

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Speaker 1: be there a little while long. He's a good coach.

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Speaker 1: He's a good coach, Mike Zimmer. They did a nice

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Speaker 1: job there and they've had some stinkers along the way

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota since Danny Green, who's fine, but Zimmer is

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Speaker 1: the real deal. It's interesting to look for it to

463
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Speaker 1: with like a lot of transition there on his defense

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Speaker 1: to um, you know, kind of give him some faith

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Speaker 1: and I think it's rewarded too. I agree. He's a

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Speaker 1: good coach. He's sixty three years old. He's been there

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Speaker 1: six seasons, compiled the winning Senator five if you can

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Speaker 1: coach six ball games, fifty thirty eight and one. They

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Speaker 1: have not yet, unless I am have they made it

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Speaker 1: to the NFC title game yet? Yeah, against the Eagles

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Speaker 1: when they got blasted. When they lose in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: they tend to lose hard. Yeah, But they also had

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Speaker 1: a great win on the road before the Niners wiped

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Speaker 1: him out in January. That was an awesome win for

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Speaker 1: the organization to go to and take out the Saints,

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Speaker 1: which are you know, we were talking about before that

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Speaker 1: game that the Saints might have been the best three

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Speaker 1: seat of all time and the Vikings UH kind of

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Speaker 1: brought that conversation to a grinding halt. So sixty three

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Speaker 1: years old, Mike Zimmer keeps the gig. He was the

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Speaker 1: d C UH in Dallas for many years in the Auds,

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Speaker 1: went to Cincinnati UH and for another five or six years.

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Speaker 1: So this guy did fourteen years as a d C

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Speaker 1: from two thousand to two thousand thirteen and now has

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Speaker 1: made the most of his opportunity in Minnesota. The only

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Speaker 1: time that I ever in my life spoke to Bill

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Speaker 1: Parcels in person, um well, was was over a phone

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Speaker 1: call on a George Zimmer feature and he was in

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Speaker 1: a parking lot. He was very annoyed that I called.

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Speaker 1: It was through Mike's right, right, Mike Zimmer. But Parcels

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Speaker 1: fair um peaked that I had called him up on

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Speaker 1: the phone at this point in his shopping. Um out

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Speaker 1: in and he's like, all right, kid, you got one,

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Speaker 1: you got five seconds. I'm like, all I'm forty three,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not necessarily a child, but I feel like

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Speaker 1: one right now. And I asked his Zimmer question and

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Speaker 1: you fired off. I'm a very complimentary answer. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's said Bill Parcels protege, and I love that. I

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Speaker 1: love that the Likings are doing this. I've always been

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Speaker 1: a Zimmer fan. A lot of history here with Zimmer

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Speaker 1: and Kubiak's coordinator. I mean this, this is Kubyak taking

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Speaker 1: over the offense totally after last year sharing it with

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Speaker 1: the fancy. It's it's an interesting crew with a lot

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Speaker 1: of success and a lot of impressive lineage. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like the old guy. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: like the old guys. We're gonna take over this young

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Speaker 1: league Kubik. That brings back memories Mark when I was

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Speaker 1: a literal kid in the in the journalism industry. They

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Speaker 1: sent me to cover a Mets Rockies mattenee at Old

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Speaker 1: Shase Stadium and Clint Hurdle was the manager of the Rockies.

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Speaker 1: And Clint Hurdle was a guy, a real man's man type,

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Speaker 1: former player um and had a lifer in the game.

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Speaker 1: And it was September of a season where both teams

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Speaker 1: were playing out the string. The Mets almost had a

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Speaker 1: no hitter that game. That game the picture, I can't

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Speaker 1: remember who it was, Steve Traxxel maybe took a perfect

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Speaker 1: game into the eighth inning, and the Rockies basically didn't

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Speaker 1: show up. After the game, I go down to the

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Speaker 1: locker room the clubhouse and Preston Wilson, who was a

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Speaker 1: former Mets prospect who became a big star for the Rockies,

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Speaker 1: didn't play that day. And I'm twenty three years old.

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Speaker 1: And it makes all the sense of the world, once

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Speaker 1: you understand baseball more that a veteran player in the

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Speaker 1: middle of September, after a hundred and fifty games day game,

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Speaker 1: after a night game, Preston got the day off on

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Speaker 1: a getaway day or whatever it would have been. But

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Speaker 1: I felt I had to get a question off for

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Speaker 1: the manager, and I asked Clint Hurtle, you know Preston

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Speaker 1: Wilson back in New York, what you know any reason

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Speaker 1: why he wasn't in the lineup today? And he nearly built.

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Speaker 1: He said, oh, is it okay if I give one

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Speaker 1: of my guys the day off? Is that okay? You?

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Speaker 1: Is that fine? And I'm like hammona hammina, and I

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Speaker 1: sl I mean, yeah, you know what you got the

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Speaker 1: but you got the best quote and the most interesting

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Speaker 1: moment of that press conference. I bet, I bet I

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Speaker 1: met people are writing about that response. It wasn't even

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Speaker 1: the in the h like a press comment, was just

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Speaker 1: kind of a gathering in the clubhouse, as I recall,

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Speaker 1: and speaking of which, my other big time clash with

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Speaker 1: someone in professional sports, Michael Bennett. It's not like a

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Speaker 1: question that I asked him after the Seahawks Blue super

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Speaker 1: Bowl forty nine against the Patriots, the Malcolm Butler game,

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Speaker 1: and I asked Bennett, um, you know, just the vibe

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Speaker 1: right after that play went down on the on the

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Speaker 1: sideline and he made a derogatory comment about um my

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Speaker 1: manhood and then said something about my wife, my wife

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Speaker 1: the fugitive, and uh I remember being completely stopped my

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Speaker 1: tracks that day as well. So Michael Bennett, who Yes,

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Speaker 1: I I have been reading everywhere that he is, you know,

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Speaker 1: the agent of change we all need, and what an

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Speaker 1: incredible guy he was. But uh I was never the

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Speaker 1: biggest Michael bennettan After that he retired announced his retirement

554
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday after Yes, a very successful career for several teams.

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Speaker 1: Michael Bennet, great player, not such a great moment for

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Speaker 1: Bennett or myself after Super Bowl forty nine. We we create,

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Speaker 1: we all contain multitudes, and uh yeah, that that apparently

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Speaker 1: was a bad moment. And actually it's funny because I

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Speaker 1: can think of some other moments after a loss, you know,

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Speaker 1: where he's a he was a competitive guy where he

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Speaker 1: did not handle um things well with reporters, so that

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Speaker 1: that that happened to other times in his career. The

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Speaker 1: interesting thing is that reporters love him in general too,

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Speaker 1: So that's what I mean about the multitude is like

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Speaker 1: a lot of them had very good, great relationships with him, um,

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Speaker 1: great conversations with him about football and beyond. And it

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Speaker 1: really is an interesting career because I think I think

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks dynasty as great as they drafted or not dynasty,

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Speaker 1: but their defense, to me was like kind of a

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Speaker 1: defensive dynasty that those four years they had that dominant

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Speaker 1: we haven't seen. I think it really happened. Like the

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Speaker 1: most important day was the two days they signed Bennett

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Speaker 1: and Cliff Ariel to like the cheapest best value contracts

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Speaker 1: in in the last decade of free agency, two of

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Speaker 1: them back to back, and Bennett ended up kind of

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Speaker 1: going from a guy who was up and down in Tampa,

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Speaker 1: but but pretty good, but was coming off a bad year,

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Speaker 1: which is why why he was so cheap. They got

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Speaker 1: those two guys and that really made them special, and

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Speaker 1: those two they didn't get enough credit for it. And Bennett.

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Speaker 1: Bennett's crazy because like he was the best player on

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Speaker 1: their their defense for for parts of it, which is

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Speaker 1: like he was the best player on one of the

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Speaker 1: best defenses for parts of it. I'm not saying he

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Speaker 1: had the best career, but like during stretches and certainly

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Speaker 1: during some of those playoff runs, he was their best player.

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Speaker 1: In Super Bowl loss, he had a great game in

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Speaker 1: tremendous game that day that nobody remembers anything about that

589
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Speaker 1: game but Malcolm Butler now, but uh yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: another big performance by him. I think he had They

591
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Speaker 1: had those two players for under nine million combined, which

592
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Speaker 1: is incredible. I I thought that they resigned him again

593
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Speaker 1: because it's like and then you're coming off the cheap DL,

594
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Speaker 1: so you don't even get full value the next time.

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00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: It works like that where they got him cheap again. Sorry,

596
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: and kind of guy. It was a kind of guy

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Speaker 1: that I think anyone would want his career. I mean,

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Speaker 1: probably underrated through long stretches of it too, um, you know,

599
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Speaker 1: blowing up guards. Uh, easy to easy to find him

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Speaker 1: on the field because he's always moving around, an old

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Speaker 1: school type player. You know, he had nine sacks in

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Speaker 1: that final year with the Bucks before he went to Seattle.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he stood out everywhere he went. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Dana, you had to run in with you did?

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Speaker 1: Had you? Maybe if you had asked him a similar

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Speaker 1: question or a question at all after they decimated pay

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Speaker 1: Man even the Broncos, you would have fared better in

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Speaker 1: your hole. Do you remember? But I couldn't remember the

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Speaker 1: exact question. I mean, it wasn't like a Pulitzer Prize

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Speaker 1: award winning question. I think it was just kind of

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Speaker 1: asking him the you know, what was the vibe on

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Speaker 1: the sideline, like right after the play? And and maybe

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Speaker 1: that's a tough question to ask the guy shortly after

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Speaker 1: the game, an hour after the game also, but I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: he was totally out of line with his response. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And but at the same time, I I really don't

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Speaker 1: like wish ill will of him. And and it is

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Speaker 1: true that he's been he's he's been a guy that

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Speaker 1: has been a fun guy to cover in the league.

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Speaker 1: And also, um, it can be a difference maker um

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Speaker 1: off the field now that he's a non player. Just

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Speaker 1: you know that was It's also maybe a lesson in

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Speaker 1: like the pitfalls of parachuting into coverage of teams. If

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Speaker 1: you're a Seahawks beat writer, you probably know how to

625
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: approach to Michael Bennett after a tough situation if you

626
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Speaker 1: know him more. I didn't know him from Adam and

627
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Speaker 1: so I went and just found the guy that had

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Speaker 1: a smaller scrum around him and try to get a

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Speaker 1: nice quote. Did not turn out to be a nice

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Speaker 1: But if like Quint Hurdle like jumped out from behind,

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Speaker 1: Michael Bennet was like, yeah, I know they're bad question,

632
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Speaker 1: that would have been really weird. Uh it is. It's

633
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Speaker 1: interesting to think back to the two thousand sixteen seventeen

634
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Speaker 1: Michael Bennett kept sitting during the national anthem. Throughout it

635
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: was interesting how Kaepernick and I know Kaepernick was first

636
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Speaker 1: and so he cut. He kind of bore the weight

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Speaker 1: of everything. But it was interesting how the kneeling, which

638
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Speaker 1: was in theory supposed to be like showing more respect,

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00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: ended up being like part of the story. No one

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Speaker 1: ever cared that Michael Bennett did it throughout, Like he

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Speaker 1: kept us sitting on the bench, but for whatever reason,

642
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: like sitting on the bench didn't get didn't get the

643
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: same like level of heat, uh that that Kaepernick did.

644
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: Mm hmm um. All right, So there you go, happy

645
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: trails to Michael Bennett. Maybe down the line we're gonna

646
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: patch things up. He and I probably not. Well, it's

647
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: probably happening work at NFL networking about three months. So

648
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna on the show, have him on the show.

649
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure you will. Well, we'll work it all out. Um,

650
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. Talk come the other way. Six,

651
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm standing Jesus up. Next on the Wheel of Teams

652
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: is the New York Jus, the German last season seven

653
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: and nine head coach Adam's gaze, entering his second year

654
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: and the man who will help guide us through Gang

655
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: Green and it's always a tricky road through Gang Green.

656
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: As a man who's been covering the team and around

657
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: the team for years now from the New York Daily News,

658
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: Minish Meadow, what's up? Manis welcome to me Around the

659
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. Thanks for having me on. Guys, I appreciate it,

660
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: you know, miniche I have to share I think I've

661
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: shared the story with you, but I want to share

662
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: it with the audience now. The first time that we

663
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: ever met, it was years ago. I think it was

664
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: at Radio Row and I was a fan of your

665
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: work covering the Jets and I want to introduce myself

666
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: to you, and Um, I saw you kind of across

667
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: the room, and then I went up to you, and

668
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: then you started following at the time the general manager

669
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: of the Jets, Mike Tannenbaum, and you cornered Tannebaum and

670
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: then just teed off on him for giving a he

671
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: you he had given a scoop to another Beat reporter

672
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: that you deserved. You thought you deserved because you were

673
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: you have traveled down to the Super Bowl and this

674
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: Beat reporter had not traveled and you were on fire

675
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: about it. And that was the first time I ever

676
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: saw him, Uh, And you were very nice when we spoke,

677
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: but Mike Tanaba looked like a guy that had been uh,

678
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: that had seen too much in war by the end

679
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: of the conversation. I think that was actually after Tantabaum

680
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: was fired and he had not spoken since he's fired,

681
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: and then he spoke uh to somebody else after that,

682
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think keeing off on him is probably

683
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: an accurate description of how that went. You're very considerate

684
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: that here's the guy you know, at a low right now,

685
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: it just lost his junior. Yeah. Well, you know, Mike

686
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: and I have a really good relationship, so you know,

687
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: it's water under the bridge. But I was, Yeah, I

688
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: was a little bit upset at that that moment. So now,

689
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: the Jets, the Jets beats wild. I do remember like

690
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: going to scouting combines and this is like in the

691
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: in the OTTs, like the mid to late OTTs, and

692
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: the Jets beat was a little different. Like there there's

693
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: some sharp elbows on the Jets beat. There was a

694
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: lot of in fighting. There was a lot of people

695
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: within the beat that like weren't talking to each other

696
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: and had had major beef and Mini. What I found

697
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: out was Minis was at the center of all. Greg,

698
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: I can honestly tell you like that was probably like

699
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: tight years ago. Uh, not much has changed, Okay, to

700
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: be honest, what do you mean some of the you know,

701
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: surrounding cast members have changed. But yeah, it's a very cutthroat,

702
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: competitive environment. It's probably the best way to describe it.

703
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: And you're still standing all these years later, Minisia. Let's

704
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: let's talk about the Jets a little bit. Um. You

705
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: know this is well, let's start here. Let's start at

706
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: the head coach spot, because um, one thing that I

707
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: do like about you on the beat, Manisha, is that

708
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: you are not afraid uh to polarize Jets fans. Uh

709
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: deliver opinions that are polarizing. And when Adam Gates was

710
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: hired as the head coach, you wrote a column that

711
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: was glowing. That's aid relaxed Jets fans, this is the

712
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: guy you've been waiting for. He's not gonna take any

713
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: trash from anyone. He's gonna guide this team back to prominence.

714
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: I got the vibe by the end of the season

715
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: based on some of your writing and some of your

716
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: tweets that you kind of got off of the gays

717
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: band wagon. Where do you stand on gays and and

718
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: you think gays deserved the second year after the way

719
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: things started in two thousand and nineteen. Well, I think

720
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: that Adam Gays first and foremost, has a lot of

721
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: good ideas, and obviously I didn't know him particularly well

722
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: when the Jets hired him. But you know, speaking to

723
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: people who have worked for him, played for him, uh,

724
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: you will get uh, players and coaches and front office

725
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: people that have been around him to tell you that

726
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: he's not a dummy. So he he has a lot

727
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: of good ideas swimming around in his head. What I

728
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: think I discounted, what didn't give you know, enough importance

729
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: to was his ability to lead and galvanize people, inspire people,

730
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: and you really need that as a head coach. I

731
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: don't think that he showed that very much at all

732
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: last year. Not the most inspiring character. He's not really

733
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: a leader of men. He didn't show that this past year.

734
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: So now I marginalized that aspect of the job. I

735
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: think after the Jets hired him, and I realized talking

736
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: to people in the organization and in the locker room

737
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: throughout the course of the year just how important that

738
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: actually was and how he wasn't necessarily good at that

739
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: part of the job. And then obviously the results speak

740
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: for themselves. He was hired to bring the best out

741
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: of Sam Darnald and to lift this offense by every

742
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: objective measure. The offense was at best the same as

743
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: it was the prior season, or you know, in all

744
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: practical terms, probably worse than it was the year before

745
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: by by virtually every statistical measure. Now, look, I'm extremely

746
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: critical of Adam Gains. Everybody who follows the Jets is

747
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 1: fully aware of that. I think if you just look

748
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: at this objectively, he has been in the NFL for

749
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: seventeen seasons, six different organizations, seventeen seasons. He's only been

750
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: a part of a team with a winning record in

751
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: four of those seventeen seasons. And in three of those

752
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: four seasons that he has been part of a winning team,

753
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning has been his quarterback, so only one time

754
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: in his career, one time in fourteen years as he's

755
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: been a part of a winner. Now, he hasn't been

756
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: a head coach, of course, in in that seventeen year period,

757
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: He's only been an assistant coach, a coordinator, head coach

758
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: at different times. But he's not associated with winning. He's

759
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: not associated with a winning culture. And I think with

760
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: that big of a sample size, as to tell you

761
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: you know a little bit about who Adam Gates might

762
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: be as a head coach, Yeah, I'll get some my

763
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: Jets question in the second night. One of the first

764
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: times that I met you, Minish was um at the combine,

765
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: and you know, Rex Ryan was holding court back then,

766
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: and I we are everyone in our podcast had just

767
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: read Collision Low Crossers and we were slightly enamored with it.

768
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: And I had one question of Rex Ryan, which was

769
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: a hideously dumb question that to even lead, like lead

770
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: to a news story. I asked him if he read

771
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: the book, and he looked at me, looks through me,

772
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: basically like he had no idea what I was talking about.

773
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: And the news conference broke up and you turned to

774
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: me and You're like, dude, he definitely did not read

775
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: that book. So I was like, I just needed to

776
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: ask me if you know everything? So I you know,

777
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: and that's a million Jets coaches ago and I You've

778
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: been through through so many things that sometimes I wonder

779
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: why you don't just let's move to Kansas City and

780
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: cover the Chiefs at this point, but he would. I know.

781
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: When I look at Gays though, and Joe Douglas, I

782
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: think the one thing the Jets should not lose no

783
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: matter what happens this season from from what I see

784
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: is Joe Douglas. I think you've got a great talent

785
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: of evaluator there and um arising GM. Do you do

786
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze and Joe Douglas. Do they like each other?

787
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: Can they get along? Yeah? I think, uh, do they

788
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: like each other. They've they've known each other for a

789
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: few years, and they're not as close as what I

790
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: think was portrayed when Joe Douglas was hired. They had

791
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: worked together for one season in Chicago. The jury is

792
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: still out on Joe Douglas. You know, you have to

793
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: be fair to him. I don't want to say he's,

794
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, the next, uh the superstar general manager. And

795
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: I also don't want to say he's a flop because

796
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, he's really been on the

797
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: job for only one year. He's been in charge of

798
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: only one draft. He's made some changes this offseason, but

799
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: we're not going to know that those are the right changes.

800
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: We just know that, you know, he shuffled the deck.

801
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: We don't really know if the pieces he brought in

802
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: are going to be more effective than the pieces that

803
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: they already had on board. What I can tell you

804
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: that Joe Douglas is that, uh, you know, he has

805
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: made one prior you know, prior to this free agency,

806
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: he had made one significant personnel move, and that was

807
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: bringing Ryan Khalil right before training camp began, you know,

808
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: former Pro Bowl center who had retired. He brought him

809
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: in and that was a terrible decision in hindsight, that

810
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: was a flop of a decision. So let's be fair.

811
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: It's not like he has turned everything to gold. But

812
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: you know, you want to be fair in that you

813
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: want to give him an opportunity to show everybody that

814
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: the guys he drafted this offseason and some of the

815
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: free agents that he brought in this offseason can actually

816
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: help towards the greater goal of turning this franchise around.

817
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: I don't know what Joe Douglas is. I know he

818
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: came from a couple of good the organizations in Philadelphia

819
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: and in Baltimore. That doesn't necessarily mean anything other than

820
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: he was surrounded by some good people. Whether he can

821
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: succeed in the big chair is tp did well and

822
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: whether he gets a chance. I mean, one of the

823
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: reasons we were you know, guy was critical um of

824
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: how that all went down, Like a lot of people

825
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: was just you know, wanting and the Jets have been

826
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: through this so many times of having the coach and

827
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: the g M aligns, and I think that's an open question,

828
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna wrap up our conversation with

829
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: Jets ownership and what's in the news today with Woody

830
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: Johnson um, which I think is gonna hang over a lot,

831
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: including Joe Douglas and Adam Gaze, because if if there's

832
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: turmoil uh in the coaching staff or in the front

833
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: office or you know, up to ownership, then that everyone's

834
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: job suddenly become a little more precarious. And I think

835
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: when I think of Gaze too, to go back to

836
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: what we started, I think, if Gaye makes Sam Donald

837
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: better in or they work together really well and Sam

838
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: Donald plays well, then Gaze is fine. Then then like

839
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: that's why Gaze is there. And if not, then then

840
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: the lack of the leadership that that you talked about

841
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: comes more into play. Then all the off field stuff

842
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: that I'm talking about in terms of turmoil comes into play,

843
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: because hey, you don't have to be you know, have

844
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: a lot of raw ross speeches if you're actually giving

845
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: your players like schematic advantages. We just haven't seen that

846
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: certainly in the year that Donald had with Gaze, I

847
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: guess i'd ask you watching them closely, like how much

848
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: of that do you put on Donald? How much on Gaze?

849
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: And like what are your your ho for for that

850
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: relationship looking better? You know on the field this year? Well, Greg, look,

851
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: I am a big believer in Sam Donald. I don't

852
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: think Sam Donald's gonna magically transformed into Aaron Rodgers in

853
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: one but he has the raw skill, the physical talent,

854
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: and he has the mental makeup to be a difference

855
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 1: making player in this league. Whether that means it will, uh,

856
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, manifests itself in or next year or the

857
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: year after that, I don't know. He's an extremely young player.

858
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: He's younger than Joe Burrow. So this is a very

859
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: young player. Who don't you think don't you think he

860
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: asked you this year for Gaze's sake at least, just

861
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: to bring it back to gays a little bit. No, No, absolutely,

862
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: I think if there's anybody on the quote unquote hot

863
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: seat when you're talking about the quarterback or the head coach,

864
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: it's absolutely the head coach, because as you said, he

865
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: was hired specifically to bring the best out or Donald

866
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: relatively quickly, and even though Donald made some incremental improvement

867
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: last year, it wasn't that significant jump that I think

868
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: a lot of Jet fans at Hope, especially when you

869
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: look at recent history, whether it was Carson Wentz, Jared Goff,

870
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: even Mitchell Trabinsky, when they got that new head coach

871
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: in that first year together, there was a significant progress,

872
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: and you didn't see that with Donald. I don't use

873
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: the Mono nucleosis as a as an excuse because the

874
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: first game that Donald came back after missing three games

875
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: with Mono, he was the a f C Offensive Player

876
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: of the Week, you know, win against the Cowboys. And

877
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: the last five weeks might have been worse than the

878
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: first five weeks, to which I think gets lost a little. Yeah.

879
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: I just think that with Donald you need to bring

880
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: out consistency. He is an inconsistent player. He makes some

881
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: incredibly great decisions and and and plays that a much

882
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: older player can make, and then at the same time

883
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: the home make a bone headed mistake. It is incumbent

884
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: upon not only him, of course, but the head coach,

885
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: his tutor is his teacher to bring out that consistency.

886
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: And that's why it's such a pivotal year for Adam Gates,

887
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: because you know, I know we're gonna talk about the

888
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: ownership a little bit later. But what Johnson did not

889
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: hire Adam Gates, He did not hire Joe Douglas either.

890
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: That he signed off on both those guys. But this

891
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: was predominantly a Christopher Johnson production. He's the one who

892
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: hired Adam Gates, and for all intents and purposes, Adam

893
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: Gates is the one who hired Joe Douglas. Christopher Johnson

894
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: signed off on it. But whatdy Johnson has no ties

895
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: to either guy. That being said, there is a financial

896
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: component when it comes to Joe Douglas that can't be discounted.

897
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: He signed a six year contract. I do not believe

898
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: that ownership is gonna be willing to eat three four

899
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: years of his contracts. So I think if there's anybody

900
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: who's on relatively firm footing one, it's Joe Douglas, not

901
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,479
Speaker 1: Adam Gates. Because in theory, you get rid of Adam

902
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: and Gates if they're unsuccessful this season, and then you

903
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: will allow Joe Douglass to hire his own head coach.

904
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: And then at that point, Joe Douglas and the new

905
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: head coach are tied to the hip. Uh and then uh,

906
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, two or three years down the road, if

907
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: things don't work out, you move on. But I don't

908
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: think that Joe Douglas is any kind of real jeopardy

909
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: of losing his job this year. I cannot say the

910
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: same for Adam Gates. I mean, counterpoint the news. You

911
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: could always bring the glacier back into the building and

912
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: reignite what was a magical period for the organization. Yeah.

913
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: I don't think that John Nazek is going to be

914
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: the general manager for the Jets. I don't actually think

915
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: that John Nazic will get a second opportunity to be

916
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: a general manager anywhere. Just checking all right, Minish. You

917
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: know I'm a Jets fan, so I'm gonna paint the

918
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: optimistic viewpoint for the upcoming season. Donald does get better,

919
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: the offensive line improves, Uh, Perryman's the real deal, Min's

920
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: MIM's gives you something. Herndon back in the picture at

921
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: the tight end position. The offense is league average at worst,

922
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: let's put it league average. The defense, which people kind

923
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: of slept on a little bit last year with a

924
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: lot of injuries. Greg Williams coached that team up. That

925
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: was a great defense against the run, and with C. J.

926
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: Mosley back, I think it's only going to get better.

927
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: You see some issues in the secondary, but I just

928
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: I trust Greg Williams to get this defense continue keeping

929
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: them in the right direction. If Donald does make that leap,

930
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: the offense does become respectable and the defense could be

931
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: hovering in that top ten range. Why can't they be

932
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: in the hunt for a playoff spot this year? Well?

933
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: I think, well, well, Dan, if they had the same

934
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: schedule as they did a year ago in which they

935
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: played the world schedule right this, I mean this year

936
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: they're playing the a f C West and the NFC West,

937
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 1: it did dauntake schedule, not only for them obviously, also

938
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: for Buffalo and also for the Patriots as well. I

939
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: think that schedule makes it very difficult for them too,

940
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, unless everything goes right for them to be

941
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: a viable playoff contender. If they were playing a week schedule,

942
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: at least on paper, I think there's a possibility. All

943
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: of that being said, uh, if the offense is respectable

944
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: and the defense, you know, maintains what they did a

945
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: year ago, maybe gets a little bit better and they

946
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: finish you nine and seven, maybe eight and eight somewhere

947
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: in that neighborhood, then I guess that's mark. Yeah, I

948
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: guess that's a check mark. That being said, if that

949
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: does happen, if they do finish eight in eight or

950
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: nine and seven, they would miss the playoffs for ten

951
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: consecutive years. There's only two teams, Cleveland and Tampa, that

952
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: has missed the postseason longer than the Jets. So how

953
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: much longer do you wait? I know this is not

954
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: all of Adam Gas or Joe Douglas, but at the

955
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: same time, at some point, if your ownership, you do

956
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: have to hold some of these key decision bakers account. Well,

957
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: they keep doing that and they keep keep getting fired.

958
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: And that's I mean, they have the they have the

959
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: second worst record in the NFL in the last five years.

960
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean, they are one of the worst teams and

961
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: I and I do think that that that there there

962
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: is a case to be made of them winning eight

963
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: or nine games, But there's also a case we made

964
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: there one of the two or three worst rosters, you know,

965
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: just talent in terms of depth wise in the league.

966
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: And so I think it will take Donald and I

967
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: think Donald has a chance to do it. They just

968
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: stepping up and carrying them. Speaking of ownership, so Woody

969
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: Johnson bought the team UH in two thousand, two thousand sixteen,

970
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was elected president. Two thousand seventeen, Woody Johnson

971
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: takes over as the ambassador UH to the UK in

972
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: Trump's administration. Christopher Johnson, his brother, becomes acting owner and

973
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: then the report comes out today CNN reports the Jets

974
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: owner Woody Johnson was investigated by the State Department for

975
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: alleged racist and sexist remarks. There was also a report

976
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: in The New York Times connected to Donald Trump UH

977
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: asking Woody Johnson to try to push to get the

978
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: British Open played on a Trump golf course and what

979
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 1: he went along with it, and that led to some waves.

980
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: So obviously some bad press and some disturbing allegations around

981
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: Jets ownership. What are you hearing on this? Oh, looky,

982
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: anytime you've got alleged to racist and sensist remarks, Uh,

983
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: you know that's not something that should be taken lately.

984
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: It's significant. Uh, you know my understanding you said Jets

985
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: actually did it an internal investigation back in two gas

986
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: and in in seventeen, Uh, when there was some some issues

987
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: with Woody johnson social media posts that dealt with sexual conduct.

988
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 1: The team actually scrubbed some of those posts after doing

989
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: their internal investigation with their I T. Department. Uh, it's

990
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: not a good look. That that's you know, that's the

991
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: preliminary part of it. We'll find out obviously more, I

992
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: think in the coming days and weeks. The Jets as

993
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: of right now, having commented on the situation, the NFL

994
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,479
Speaker 1: is kind of just said, you know, we're gonna refer

995
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: to what the state department has said, so they didn't

996
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: say much. Uh. You know, either it's deserving, it's it's

997
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: also eye opening. I think when you're your best player

998
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: and in this case, Jamoral Adams comes out against the

999
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: owner and says, you know, right is rights, wrong is wrong,

1000
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: This is unacceptable. I'm pretty sure. In fact, I know

1001
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: that he's not alone in his thinking. He's the only one, however,

1002
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: to this point has come out publicly and uh, you know,

1003
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: voice his displeasure at this report. I know that there

1004
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: are other players, other people in that organization weren't particularly

1005
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: pleased with Woody Johnson. Uh, you know, not a good look.

1006
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what's ultimately going to become of this,

1007
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: but I do know that there were concerns in the

1008
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: organization as far back as uh three years ago, which

1009
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: they had to actually scrub some off a social media

1010
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: post because they're probably not something that you know, the

1011
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: organization wanted out there. Well, this is something the players

1012
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: can have their voice heard, and I think that's where

1013
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm watching this story, and it shouldn't be on them, um,

1014
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, to be making change on their own that

1015
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be their responsibility. But I think if their voices,

1016
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: if they do speak loudly and unified like that, that's

1017
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: gonna have a real impact, as it should, and with

1018
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: everything that's gone on this summer, it'll be it's hard

1019
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: to know where this goes, but it'll be interesting to

1020
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: see how the NFL is a league, respond to that

1021
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: because ultimately it's their owner, you know, it's their team, right.

1022
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: I completely agree. What I will say is that prior

1023
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: to all of this servicing, uh, you know, I was

1024
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: under the impression that Foody Johnson was coming back to

1025
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 1: the United States. Regardless of what the electional results, We're

1026
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: gonna be whether Donald Trump got reelected or not if

1027
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: he if he weren't really elected, obviously, uh, the new

1028
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: president would appoint his own ambassador. But you know, my

1029
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: understanding was that even if Donald Trump were re elected,

1030
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: that Woody would come back. It wasn't set in stone necessarily,

1031
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 1: but that was, you know, that the vibe that I've

1032
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: gotten all along over the last several months. But the

1033
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: question now becomes when he ultimately does come back. But

1034
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: what does the NFL do? Is there any kind of punishment?

1035
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: Is it slap on the wrist? Is it you know,

1036
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: is it severe? But I think it is particularly eye

1037
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: opening when players speak out because, uh, you know, I

1038
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if these allega sas are true or not,

1039
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: but all I can say is that after reading the story,

1040
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: uh that both the racist and the sexist element of

1041
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: this story was particularly disturbing. And I don't mean to

1042
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: make any kind of political statement, because I don't think

1043
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: this is about politics, but some of the stuff that

1044
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: was alleged in that story is you know, pretty disturbing

1045
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: at least from more I stand. I mean, it does

1046
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: nothing to healthy Let's keep Jamal Adams in a Jets

1047
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: uniform for life campaign that summer attempting to run. Yeah,

1048
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: that that whole negotiation, uh has been a fiasco for

1049
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: a number of different reasons. It's it's really unfortunate. It's

1050
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: it's strange. To be perfectly honest with you, this is

1051
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: an organization that doesn't get dynamic players very often. They

1052
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: don't have superstar players very often. In fact, I think

1053
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: it's fair to say that the last home grown superstar

1054
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: player that the Jets hire prior to Jamal Adams was

1055
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: Darrell Reavis, and that was namely a decade ago. And

1056
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: the idea that the Jets have bungled this situation in

1057
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: the fashion that they have, and believe me when I

1058
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: tell you that they have that. I know that. You know,

1059
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of strong opinions on both sides, people

1060
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, signing with the organization, people signing with the player.

1061
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: But based on the information that I have over what

1062
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: is transpired in the past six or seven months, it's

1063
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: a it's it's incredible that the Jets would allow certain

1064
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: things to have gone on. Uh. You know, in these

1065
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: quote unquote negotiations which really weren't negotiations at all. The

1066
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: fun ride never ends. I've said it many times before.

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00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: It to my uh, no, Greg's like, I love it

1068
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: so No, I'm just this is the time of year,

1069
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: this is your time of year for the optimism, but

1070
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: it's getting cut a little short right now. Uh No,

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00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: I still think this could be a fun season for

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00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: the Jets. I I do think, though. It does remind

1073
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: me that I'm just happy that I'm a Yankees fan,

1074
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: because I couldn't deal with it if it was if

1075
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: I was the Jets Mets Nick's Islanders fan. I needed

1076
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: to break that up. So casey, our buddy, you just

1077
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: animed his four favorite teams. There you go, Niche, you

1078
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: said it all. Hey, July one, Jamal Adams a member

1079
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: of the Jets. I think, uh god, that's such a

1080
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: good question. I would say, no, okay, well we'll bring

1081
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: it back and they'll talk about how you were wrong.

1082
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: And hey, I love covering Jamal. If you know, I

1083
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: would love to come to Jamal for the next decade.

1084
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: He's one of the most genuine people I've covered in

1085
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: my career. And this notion that, uh you know, he's

1086
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: a selfish guy who wants money. I can tell you

1087
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: if you talk to players in that organization and coaches

1088
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: in that organization, they wish that there could be fifty

1089
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: to Jamal Adams. It would make for a loud locker room.

1090
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: But he is all about football. He cares about his teammates.

1091
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: Nobody in that organization works harder and nobody cares more

1092
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: about one. I mean, he's tech clean, the Patriots mascot. Please.

1093
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: Of course he's important to the organization. So yeah, well

1094
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: it's pretty it's pretty pathetic. It's gone to his point

1095
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: with him, Manisha Meta follow him on Twitter, uh and

1096
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: read all of his NFL coverage and Jets coverage on

1097
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: the Daily News. Thank you very much, Bud. What a

1098
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: day to have him on. I mean, he had some

1099
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: good insight on all the Jets issues, but the ownership,

1100
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: but certainly the Jamal stuff. Heavy hitter and Dan, you

1101
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: know you mentioned. By the way, that doesn't mean I

1102
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: just that doesn't mean he's right, by the way, I don't.

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00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: We can't. We can't sit and talk with Manish for

1104
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: three hours. I I continue to believe the Jets have

1105
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: been in the right in letting this play out a

1106
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: little bit and letting it breathe. And I believe you

1107
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: were in the same camp as well. I understand Greg,

1108
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: I understand that, um, where where he's coming from. Nish

1109
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: though that the Jets aren't a team that come into

1110
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: game changing superstars. So don't mess this up. Do not

1111
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: let him get out of the building over a petty

1112
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: disagreement that turns into something bigger. I still have I

1113
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: I still have hope that come this time next year

1114
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,959
Speaker 1: he's under terms. Um. But you know it's with the Jets,

1115
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: it's never it's it seems like it's never simple. It

1116
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: just never is well. I mean the Woody Johnson thing

1117
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: does not help. That is a fresh wrench in the

1118
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: works potentially, so TV his voice so many you know,

1119
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: having the relationships that it does, it does, it does

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00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: carry weight with me that like he knows you know,

1121
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: he knows the negotiations. What do I know? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

1122
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: Well that was the Pulitzer Prize winning question that you mentioned.

1123
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: Think they don't have they don't get the benefited doubt

1124
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: because they're losers, because they lose so much, you know,

1125
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: they don't get the benefited out. That's it. I think

1126
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of people who study the game

1127
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: are doubting Sam Donald on some level, because they connect

1128
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 1: him to the Jets, a team where it usually doesn't

1129
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: work out for the quarterback. I just think every situation,

1130
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: ultimately though, should be judged separately. Um, and I just

1131
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: hope eventually they figure out how to get this organization

1132
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: running well. Uh It's it's very difficult, and it is

1133
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: when things like what popped up today now with Christopher Johnson,

1134
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: its just it just never seems excuse me, Woody Johnson,

1135
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: it just never seems to end. There always seems to

1136
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: be something new around the corner. Um, So Jets fans

1137
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: hanging there. Let's hope that uh Donald is the real deal,

1138
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: because if he can play, that will help a lot.

1139
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: But as far as off the field, he really is.

1140
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's I and I I understand

1141
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: you could why he's so interesting to me. It's like

1142
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: he's a raw shard test where you you could look

1143
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,479
Speaker 1: at it from either perspective and see, oh, this guy

1144
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: is clearly showing signs that he's not going to be

1145
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: the guy. But then if you want to study other way,

1146
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,919
Speaker 1: other angles on Donald, you can see, all right, there's

1147
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: something there in the second half of the season. Even

1148
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: when you look at the numbers, Greg, you mentioned his

1149
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: last five games, we're uh concerning, but there were other numbers.

1150
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: You looked at the last eight games of the season,

1151
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: their offense was kind of middle of the pack, and

1152
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: he had a top ten UM figures in some of

1153
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: his passing statistics. Um, we'll get into it on Friday's

1154
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: uh Friday's eight t NFL broadcast. We got a whole

1155
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: segment about Donald. But he is interesting to me because

1156
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: he's the type of quarterback I usually fall for and

1157
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: I like more than I should um despite some evidence.

1158
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: So I did go back. I'm writing about all these

1159
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks at some point I went back and and

1160
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: watched and and and we'll talk about it Friday. But

1161
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: I think the thing with him is he's been he's

1162
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: been making similar mistakes since he started, and they're kind

1163
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: of there. You know, a lot of it is just,

1164
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, they're not ready for blitz is coming. And

1165
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: and that's coaching too, Like it's a lot of rookie

1166
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: stuff where like everything is going so fast and they

1167
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: don't know how to handle it. The problem is the

1168
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,479
Speaker 1: coaching isn't isn't leaving either, So it's like that that

1169
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: that needs to be that needs to be buttoned up

1170
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: because he hasn't he hasn't showed enough of like what's

1171
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: gonna make up for that? You know, he hasn't had

1172
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: been as creative, Like, he hasn't had as much um

1173
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: creativity making plays kind of on his own that you

1174
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: would that you would expect. Basically, that's I mean that

1175
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: I hear you, and I find him to be a

1176
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: mixture of an enigma, but also as you say, fascinating.

1177
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: But he played behind a shattered offensive line, and I

1178
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: mean Mono is not I know, it became this like

1179
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: ridiculous sort of gag and everyone made fun of it

1180
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: and the graphic that was on Monday Night Football. But look,

1181
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: I mean Mono depletes the body, It takes muscle mass away,

1182
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: it leaves you exhausted for weeks, and then he's suddenly

1183
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: thrown back into an offense. For Levan Bell is not

1184
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: living up to the billion on any level, and you're

1185
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: getting destroyed behind a bottom five offensive line. I'd love

1186
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: to see Donald in a more functional setting before we

1187
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: cast the die on the of course, of course, that's

1188
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: why I think he has top five upside and like

1189
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: a pretty big disappointment downside, which is like that's that's

1190
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: a huge, huge gap. I totally agree. I agree. I

1191
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: agree with you on that, and Jets fans believe in Donald.

1192
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: I don't think any doubt has crept in with him.

1193
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: Gaze is a whole other story. And Mnisha, I'm happy

1194
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: he came on the show. But Mnish thrives on that

1195
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: dissension and the doubt and the doom and gloom around

1196
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: the Jets. It sells papers and uh and you, I mean,

1197
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: I just I guess my point of view is there

1198
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: is there are some rays of sunshine if you want

1199
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: to try to be the optimistic Jets fan, which isn't

1200
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: easy to do amidst all the clouds and the thunder

1201
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: clouds rolling in. I I will see how it all

1202
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: turns out. Every year, I feel this way that this

1203
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: could be the year they get it back on track.

1204
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,439
Speaker 1: But you know, two thousand to two thousand ten, under

1205
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: the Woody Johnson regime, they were one of the more

1206
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: competitive teams in the a f C. But the last

1207
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: ten years has been a nightmare. I always think, I

1208
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: always think about the timing. It's it's such a sliding

1209
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: doors moment when Leon Hess, their former owner past, because

1210
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: if that didn't happen, Belichick would have been the Jets

1211
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: coach and I don't know what Belichick would have done

1212
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: with with Leon Hess And I guess I don't know

1213
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: that for sure. Who knows if the Parcels thing parcel

1214
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: Belichick's big thing was I'm not you know, he was.

1215
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: He was close with Leon Hess and he he's quoted

1216
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: is I'm not gonna work for that guy, you know,

1217
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: and it whatef for whatever reason whatever did the on

1218
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: wrote ramping with the ownership change rubbed Belichick the wrong

1219
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: white and it's just like that was it was just

1220
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: the forks in the road moment. Whereas he was, he

1221
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,919
Speaker 1: was tight. Like the Parcels love Test. Belichick loved Test

1222
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: and it was just a different it was a different thing.

1223
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: He learned that in Cleveland with Darte Modele. He came

1224
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: out of there with a mantra that he would never

1225
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: coach as a head coach under an owner that he didn't,

1226
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, completely trust and believe in. So that hideous

1227
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: how he was Jets coach for what about uh eight

1228
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: hours or eight minutes something like that, he resigned an

1229
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: HC of the n Y g J. And it should

1230
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: be during during that time of transition from the late

1231
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: Leon Hess. When the Jets were looking for new ownership,

1232
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: it came down to two people, Lady Johnson of the

1233
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: Johnson and Johnson family and James Dolan Cable Vision, who

1234
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: bought the Knicks and is arguably the most hated owner

1235
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: in the history of New York sports. Maybe not even arguably,

1236
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: So you know, just another chapter, all right, good stuff.

1237
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: I still believe. I say, nine and seven and I

1238
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: think Donald's got a Pro Bowl coming soon. Pro Bowl

1239
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: doesn't matter whatever, you know what I mean, It's gonna

1240
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: be good. Nine and seven is optimistic. Nine and seven

1241
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: might win the a f C East, Seven and nine

1242
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: last might win it out right. I don't know if

1243
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: anyone's getting in. Yeah, I don't. I don't put too

1244
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: much into it because the schedule was soft, but they

1245
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: went six and two in the second half of last year. Right,

1246
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna get mad. It's like, oh, you gave the

1247
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: Jets too much time. Calm down, just forty minutes, just

1248
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: having fun. All right. We'll be back on Friday on

1249
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: the network with our around the NFL broadcast, so please

1250
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: check that out. And I know not everyone has NFL Network,

1251
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: but there are workarounds out there. Go check out the

1252
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: Around the NFL subreddit if you want to watch the show.

1253
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: What we do try to do with the broadcast is

1254
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: we don't make it a facsimile of what the podcast is.

1255
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: We like to keep it fresh and and not just

1256
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: do retreads of segments that we do on the Monday

1257
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: and Wednesday show. So it's a it's a new show,

1258
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: original stuff. So check it out if you haven't already,

1259
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: and um, we'd appreciate it. And then we're back next week.

1260
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: At some point we're gonna be going back to three

1261
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: times a week on the Audio show. So the boys

1262
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: we have too, and Ricky we have to uh put

1263
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: our heads together and figure out when we're switching over.

1264
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: I guess some of that's gonna connect with what happens

1265
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: with training camps in the NFL. Well they're starting. There's

1266
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: so much better off season. This was I feel refreshed

1267
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: and ready to go. All right, that's it. This is

1268
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: Dan Hanson signing off four Quiet Storm. The Mailman, Oh

1269
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: not the mailman, but we wish the Mailman was here

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Speaker 1: and he will be here again. The old Boss, Ricky

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Speaker 1: Hollywood Still Friday