1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: The Jaguars prepared to take on the top team in 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: the AFC. Who's gonna need to have a big game 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: on Sunday if they want to take down the Ravens. 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 2: Devin Lloyd, He's going to have to be able to 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: get out to the flat because Lamar Jackson loves to 6 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: throw those short little passes to say Flowers and he 7 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: gets open easily. And he's also gonna have to know 8 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: where Lamar Jackson is because if you lose sight of him, 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: you're in trouble. 10 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, Calvin Ridley, you need a big play 11 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 3: from You need big plays from above the exits and 12 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 3: ose players in big games. 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to Jags Am presented by Field's Auto Group. I'm 14 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: Kenannie Stevens, Brian's exton John Osier, are with me today 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: as we get prepared for Sunday night football against the 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. Now Last week, the team went up against 17 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: one of the best defenses in the league, probably number 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: one and one A and one B. So big thing 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: number one this week is going to be one A 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: in one day because one BA would be the Ravens, 21 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: who are the second best technically but one of the 22 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: top defenses in the league, and they're going to be 23 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: a tough test for the Jaguars on Sunday night. 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 4: I mean, they just have a great defense all the 25 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 4: way around, not even not even just pass rush, you know, 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 4: on the back end, they're linebackers. I mean, they have 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 4: some of the best linebackers in football. You know, Kyle 28 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 4: Hamilton too is another guy who played in college and 29 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 4: I think he might have been hurt last year when 30 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 4: we played him. But that's a guy I'm somewhat familiar with. 31 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 4: He's a great player. So yeah, they got They just 32 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 4: have the really talented defense. But they're also really smart. 33 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 4: You know, they do a great job and playing you know, 34 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 4: sound and really on the same page. Everyone knows their 35 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 4: assignment and knows what they're doing. They play really fast. 36 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 4: I think that's the biggest thing is they know what 37 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 4: they're doing and they play fast and they're physical. 38 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: Brian and the Jags were able to score pretty readily 39 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: against the Browns and didn't win the game. But does 40 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: that mean that translates over to Baltimore is a completely 41 00:01:59,240 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: different situation. 42 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: I mean, they're different styles of defense. Here's what you 43 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: know about the Ravens. The Ravens leave the league with 44 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: forty nine sacks and their win percentage because they've got 45 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: guys with eleven, seven and a half and six sacks, 46 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: so the win percentage is about ten percent of the 47 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: time they're affecting the quarterback, it's going to create problems. 48 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: But if you protect decent enough right depending on who's 49 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 2: on the left side of the line, you give yourself 50 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: a chance to be able to score against the Ravens. 51 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: It's not like people don't score against these teams. It's 52 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 2: not like the great Ravens teams of the early two 53 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: thousands where you were lucky. Can remember one game where 54 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: the Jaguars got five field goals where you were lucky 55 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: to score at all. They could score, but they've got 56 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: to protect first. 57 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, protection's key. I think it's particularly key because it's 58 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 3: hard to imagine the running game with Travis Dtn, with 59 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 3: the interior the offensive line struggling in that area, it's 60 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 3: hard to imagine the running game piling up one hundred 61 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 3: and twenty one hundred and thirty ball control yards. I 62 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 3: think the running game can get some big plays, some 63 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: pops and make them The Ravens respected to do it help, 64 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 3: but barring that you have to protect because there's gonna 65 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: be passing situations where they have to convert big third 66 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: downs to me third downs and big plays the way 67 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: you beat the Ravens because they're gonna get to you 68 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 3: a couple of times on their defense. 69 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: And I'll say this, John, You know, last week the 70 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: Jaguars had Blake Hans and Tyler Shatley on the left 71 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: side of their line, and they were facing the best 72 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: defensive pass rusher in football and a really good defensive front, 73 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: and they were all right, you know, they had twenty 74 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: seven points and they were, you know, within shouting distance 75 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: at the end of the game. So you'd like to 76 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: think that if Walker Little can play and he's practicing 77 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: a bit this week, and if Ezra Cleveland can get 78 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: out of the field and he's practicing a little bit 79 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: this week, that you give yourself a fighting chance at home. 80 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: Our second big thing this week, Eric today is to 81 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: say there's gonna be MVP again because on the other 82 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: side of the ball, the Ravens have one of the 83 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in the league, Lamar Jackson, impressive and a 84 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: comeback win last week. And you will also be a 85 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: tough matchup for the Jaguars defense. 86 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 5: Great football player, great quarterback. 87 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 6: You know. 88 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 5: One of the things he's doing, you know, this year, 89 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 5: I think, which was a point of MPs for them, 90 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 5: obviously throwing the ball a little bit more from the pocket. 91 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 5: And he's done a nice job for that, you know, 92 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 5: And it takes all eleven on defense. You just can't, 93 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 5: you know, you can't let your guard down with him obviously, 94 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 5: not only in the run game, but the pass game 95 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 5: as well. When you get an opportunity to tackle him, 96 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 5: you got to tackle him. 97 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: John. 98 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: We all know Lamar Jackson can run, but he's really 99 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: been staying in the pocket and throwing, especially now that 100 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: he's got wide receivers A Flowers, the rookie and also 101 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham junior. It's impressive to see what he's been 102 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: able to do with his game now a couple of 103 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: years in. 104 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, he has, he's much better there than he has been. 105 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: To me, what still makes him meget dangerous is that 106 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: he can get that in the passing game, but then 107 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: he can also kill you getting outside the pocket. And 108 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: I think where the Jaguars have a chance to stay 109 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: even against the Ravens. Look, the Ravens are one of 110 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: the best teams in the NFL. You're probably not gonna 111 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 3: shut them down and blow them out, but what gives 112 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: you a chance to maintain With the Ravens. Same thing 113 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: as last year with Lamar. The Jaguars defense is much 114 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 3: better than it was two or three years ago, with 115 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 3: mobile quarterbacks, keeping them in the pocket, not letting those 116 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: guys just kill you. Play after scramble after scramble. I 117 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 3: think the Jaguars, because of Josh Allen Trayvon, the linebackers 118 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: are very good. They can contain Lamar. They cannot let 119 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: him have the seventy yard run or the or the 120 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: multiple fifteen yard runs that just make it drive. I 121 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 3: think they match up okay there and Brian. That's gonna 122 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: give them a chance to hold serviance them, maintain and 123 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: not let that factor win the game. The Ravens defense 124 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: hears me as much as that. Yeah, the Ravens defense 125 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 3: is really good. Look, the Jaguars defense has to play 126 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: smart football. They have not gotten home in the last 127 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 3: two weeks. 128 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 6: A little bit of. 129 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: Pressure on Browning, But was he thirty two or thirty 130 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: seven two weeks ago on the Monday Night football and 131 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: then you got this guy here who he's not looking 132 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 2: to run. As you mentioned guy Todd Munkins offense gives 133 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: him more options if he stays in the pocket, and 134 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: you've seen him grow throughout the course of the year. 135 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: But you know, if your run past him, and we've 136 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 2: seen that from this Jaguars defense, a guy gets out 137 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: of his gap, runs too far, you know this guy's 138 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: going to go for twenty five yards and put himself 139 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: in scoring position like that. This is about playing smart. 140 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: And I don't think the Jaguars defense has had too 141 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: many bad games this year, but the last two weeks 142 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 2: have not been their best. 143 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: All Right, our final big thing today is going to 144 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: be growing up. Obviously, the Jaguars went on a great 145 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: run at the end of last season to a little 146 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: bit unexpectedly make the playoffs. This year, they're achieving at 147 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: a pace we probably predicted. But now they're on a 148 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: two game losing streak, and Doug Peterson says that they 149 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: can't really use that youth fixed these anymore. 150 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 5: Everybody's played rookies are no longer rookies. Is week fifteen. 151 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 5: You know, I can't I can't hide behind that anymore. 152 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 5: You know, I can't use that as an excuse anymore. 153 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 5: You know, every team's in Week fifteen, there's no more buys, 154 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 5: every rookie's played. I mean, it's it's it's just everybody 155 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 5: has to focus that much greater, Brian. 156 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: This is a young team, but they're not inexperienced at 157 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: this point. I think this is a point where Doug 158 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: wants to see that maturity level kind of step up 159 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: and see them kind of take hold of this opportunity, 160 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 1: especially on either Sunday Night football or the home stretch 161 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: as a whole. 162 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: Well, you decide how you wanted to play. Do you 163 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: wanted to play loose and free? I mean, let's be honest. 164 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: They're not in real contention for the number one overall 165 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: seed like they were two weeks ago when Cincinnati was here. 166 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: I mean, they could get there, but it's not the 167 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: most likely scenario. Or do you want them to play 168 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: desperate right like the Niners were on a three game 169 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: losing streak, you know, like the Browns were last week 170 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: where they played super hungry in front of their home 171 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: crowd because they understood that they were on the margins 172 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: of the playoffs, but they could find themselves behind the 173 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: eight ball in a very competitive AFC, you choose me myself. 174 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: I'd like to see them come out with a it's 175 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: so esoteric, John, but just a sense of desperation, like, Hey, look, 176 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: we haven't played our best football. We're on Sunday night 177 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: football in primetime, and we didn't play well last time. 178 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: So let's get out there and play good football against 179 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: the best team in the AFC. Let's be hungry to 180 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: show the rest of the country you know what we 181 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: are and not let them walk away thinking but we're not. 182 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Jaguars in the last few weeks, and I 183 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: would include this week, are in one of those crisis 184 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: points of the season. And when I say crisis, I 185 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: probably mean defining more than that. They're beat up. They 186 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: are in first place, but they've lost a couple of games. 187 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: They haven't been blown out in they just haven't quite 188 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 3: gotten there. And there's plenty of reasons for it, the injuries, 189 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 3: Trevor's ankle's mistakes. At some point during those stretches, really 190 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: good teams get one and sort of rite the ship. 191 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 3: And I think that's what Doug would like to see 192 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 3: this week. Hey, it's tough. The NFL is not easy. 193 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: You're playing a first place schedule this year, which means 194 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: you're playing not teams like the Ravens and the Niners 195 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 3: and the Chiefs instead of the other teams. At some point, 196 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: go get one of those late in the season that 197 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 3: puts you over the top where you're not necessarily favored 198 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: in the game. And it takes what Brian's talking about. 199 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 3: It takes that desperation, that intensity, maybe making a play 200 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: you didn't expect somehow finding a way to use that cliche. 201 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 3: I think that's what Doug would like to see this week, 202 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: and that's what he's talking about with maturity. You know, 203 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: a mature team, a playoff team, figures out a way 204 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: to somehow get this one even when people don't expect it. 205 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: I think you're right, John, Definitely a sense of urgency 206 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: the team's gonna need going into this game against the Ravens. 207 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: All right, Stay with us here on jags Am as 208 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: we go around the locker room. Here what everybody else 209 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: has to say about the Ravens matchup. Welcome back to 210 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: jag Zam, presented by Field's Auto Group, Jacksonville. You can 211 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: step up to luxury at Fieldsauto dot Com. Welcome back. 212 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: We're here in the Hyundai studios as we get ready 213 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: for Sunday Night Football two thousand and eight. 214 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: This last night, yeah, October fifth, two thousand and eight, 215 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: they played a game against the Steelers, and it was 216 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: John Madden's last Jaguars game, last game in Jacksonville. So 217 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I had to go back 218 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: and look it up. It wasn't the most memorable game, 219 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 2: although Rashee Mathis had it picked six early in the 220 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: game to give the Jaguars the leader for Ben Roethlisberger. 221 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: Rasheen who was a three time Pro Bowl corner, which 222 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: just always seemed to be the Steelers nemesis. 223 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 6: That guy that just always had Roethlisberger looking around and 224 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 6: where is he? Where is he? 225 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: But it was John Madden's last game, and I remember 226 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: having a conversation with him in the hallway about, you know, 227 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: the importance of this team starting to win because they 228 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: weren't much and knowing that Jacksonville really needed this team 229 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: to start to get some traction so that their future 230 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: would be secure, and he thought they would. So now 231 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 2: they are many many years I remember that conversation with him. 232 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: Nice man, he was right, all right, cool, let's talk 233 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: a little bit about what's been going on in the 234 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: locker room. We got down there yesterday, talked to of 235 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: the guys about, you know, whether they're hitting the panic 236 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: button right now. Evan Ingram had a very strong response 237 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: to that. 238 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 6: Just diversity. 239 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 7: That's what life is about, that's what this league is about. 240 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 7: And obviously we got the great We got the guys 241 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 7: in here to figure it out and respond and turn 242 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 7: this thing around. And you know, it's cool. We're sitting 243 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 7: at eight and five and we know we could be better. 244 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 7: So we're definitely gonna go out and try to respond 245 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 7: and get back at. 246 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: The way Colin, for sure, the first part of that 247 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: one was hell, no, it's not time to pan. 248 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 6: No, No, he was fired up here. 249 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: Toady had another conversation with him for radio pregame and 250 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: he said, look, those are lights are damn bright, and 251 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: everybody needs to respond. You know, we were talking about urgency. 252 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: Choose your words, that's a desperation. But he said, everybody 253 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: needs to respond to the challenge that we have an 254 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: end to each his own was his specific phrase. Everybody's 255 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: going to come to the game prepared in their own way, 256 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: feeling their own way, desperate, hungry, loose, and relaxed. Whatever 257 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: he says isn't about one common theme and everybody's on 258 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: the same wavelength. Is about everybody responding to the challenge 259 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: that we face in their own way. 260 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the Jaguars have waited a long time to 261 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 3: be a contender, and contending in the NFL these days 262 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 3: is this. I mean last year was sort of unique 263 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 3: and that the Jaguars got on a roll and they 264 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: kind of came from nowhere and everything felt sort of inevitable, 265 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: Like when you look back on it, it felt inevitable they're 266 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: going to win those five games and get that's not 267 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 3: a story. But usually there are some teams like forty 268 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: nine ers this year that look like they're just the 269 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 3: team and they're sort of rolling. Well, that's a rare 270 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 3: thing to reach in the NFL. Usually you have some 271 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: adversity late in the season. It's a league of attrition. 272 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: You've got some injuries, you play well for a few weeks, 273 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: you sink back because everybody else is good. You're playing contenders, 274 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 3: and the league wants these last games to be competitive. 275 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: They try to schedule tough games. So this is sort 276 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 3: of what it is. And I think Evan's point is 277 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: look for about what happened last week, Go in this one, 278 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: figure out a way to win this one, get it, 279 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 3: and then figure out the next one. And it's hard 280 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: to sort of analyze that, but at some point you're 281 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 3: out there playing games and you're not necessarily worlds better 282 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 3: than the opponent. You just find a way to win 283 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: that week and you move on. And they answer Jaguars 284 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 3: task this, but they're not favored. I'm not sure they're 285 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 3: gonna win, but they're very capable of winning if they 286 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 3: play well. They just happened the last couple of weeks. 287 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: To your point, they are seeing the exact same thing 288 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: in Kansas City right now, where they've lost to in 289 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 2: a row, in Philadelphia where they've lost two in a row, 290 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: in Miami, and in Detroit. I mean, even the contenders, 291 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: those teams, if you follow such things as power rankings, 292 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: that have been in the top all year long, they're 293 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: all dealing with this too. And it was only late 294 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 2: October that the Niners were dealing with this. They lost 295 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: back to back games to backup quarterbacks. You're thinking, what's 296 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: the matter with them? And they got hot. 297 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: I got an angry email this week. I want this 298 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: team to be consistent, And I said, outside of San Francisco, 299 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 3: find me one. I mean, yes, it was an instance 300 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 3: right now, but everybody else in the league. Okay, Dallas too, 301 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: right now they're on a roll. But the Niners are 302 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 3: the team that are consistent in the AFC. 303 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 6: Nobody is. 304 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: You know, the Dolphins scored seventy points in September and 305 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: since then they have been up and down and up 306 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: and down. 307 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: It up. 308 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 2: Now, what do you think they're saying? It's out Florida 309 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: about consistency. Where's the team that scored seventy What do 310 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: you expect it every week? 311 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 6: Yes? 312 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: Right, yes, yes they do, Yes, they do. 313 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: Else we're in the locker room. Calvin Ridley kind of 314 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: haig in. We've been talking about the issues with the 315 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: route running and Trevor was talking about miscommunication as well, 316 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: and really kind of broke down what he saw on 317 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: that play, on one of the interceptions. 318 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 8: On that type of play, it's the ball can go 319 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 8: to me, can go to someone else, and it's a look. 320 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 8: You know, I thought I had a certain look and 321 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 8: I was trying to, you know, get my feet on, 322 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 8: get my get up on the dB and take them 323 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 8: a certain way. So we could get another person's pop open. 324 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 8: But it was a different look, and I didn't get 325 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 8: my head around faster, and the ball came out a little. 326 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: Faster than I thought. But if I would have, I 327 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 3: just need. 328 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 8: To be logged in in that moment more and just 329 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 8: see to look better and get my head around bass. 330 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 6: Then it had been a different type. 331 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: Of place, accoring towardly running the right route, not the 332 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: look he thought misidentified what the defense was doing, thought 333 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: it was going somewhere else happens if that's something they 334 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: need to get on the same page about obviously, to 335 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: kind of just always be prepared, especially I'm sure it's 336 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: being emphasized this week without Christian Girk out there, because 337 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: there's not always that guy that's gonna be the first option. 338 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: Maybe a lot of the time. You have to be 339 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: ready at all times. 340 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: Well, And another radio conversation I had there say it 341 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: was with wide receivers coach Chad Hole, and he talked 342 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: about about he used the word cohesion. He talked about 343 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: that unspoken communication between a quarterback and a wide receiver. 344 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: And then I was standing in the locker room yesterday 345 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: and noticing that Trevor's locker is here, and Calvin's locker 346 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: is here. I mean they have got to since the 347 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: start of the season. There's no accident that these two 348 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: guys are across from each other. They've been trying to 349 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: build that sense of unspoken timing. How long did it 350 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: take Peyton and Marvin Harrison to create that How long 351 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: did it take when Reggie Wayne came in to be 352 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: able to be that target that Peyton Manning was looking at. 353 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to excuse the mistakes he made. I'm 354 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: saying this is part of the process of two guys 355 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: coming together. 356 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's rarely, especially with route running offense in 357 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: the NFL these days, it's rarely one thing this guy 358 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 3: did this poorly. It's usually over the course of a game. 359 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 8: More. 360 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 3: You a lot of read routes. You got a lot 361 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: of routes that playoff of Okay, that even's doing this. Now, 362 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 3: the quarterback sees this, the wide series sees this. I 363 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: keep going back to you know, yes, the communication has 364 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 3: been a bit clunky with Calvin at times with Trevor, 365 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: but everything was sort of going in a good direction 366 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: offensively until Trevor didn't practice last week. So I do 367 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: think that's sort of become a forgotten element of there 368 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 3: was really no reps at all with these guys, and 369 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 3: up until he got hurt against Cincinnati the last couple 370 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 3: of games, I felt it was going smooth even without Christian. 371 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden, guess what, he doesn't practice 372 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 3: and it looks clunky. 373 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 6: Well, that's how it goes. 374 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 3: You know, that makes sense to me. I think it'll 375 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 3: be better this week. There's still gonna be some of 376 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 3: that because frankly, Calvin was out two years and this 377 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 3: is still a young offense trying to get these things 378 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: and you're gonna have this in the NFL sometimes. 379 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 380 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 2: And you know, the other thing Chad Hall said when 381 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: we had our conversation after practice es today was that 382 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 2: the coach, the head coach, had personally challenged all of 383 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 2: the coaches to make fixes right, to look differently at it, 384 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: and in fact, Doug said it in his news conference 385 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: on both Monday and Wednesday, and that was the first 386 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: thing that Chad went to. So it's not just the 387 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,239 Speaker 2: players who are trying to communicate, it's the coaches who 388 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: are working it as well. They were attacking this problem right, 389 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 2: this issue from last week at every angle. 390 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 3: And Calvin said something that I thought was interesting. Yes 391 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 3: today too. It was sort of after one of the questions, 392 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 3: he goes, I just kind of wish the guy had 393 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 3: dropped the while we had another chance. And there is 394 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 3: an element of that. We're focused on that one play 395 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: because the Brown's got an interception off of it. Every 396 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 3: team in the league has miscommunications at times between receivers 397 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 3: and quarterbacks. That one really bit the Jags. So we're 398 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 3: talking about it a lot, and there was some It 399 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 3: showed up big time on Sunday. It really hurt them. 400 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 3: It doesn't always hurt you that much. A lot of 401 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 3: teams weren't hurt by it, so I think this is 402 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 3: this week's topic. I don't know that miscommunication with receivers 403 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 3: has been a season long thing that's defined it, but 404 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 3: they got to get it fixed now. 405 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that you're talking about Doug Peterson 406 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: telling coaching staff to try something new, cause a lot 407 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: of what we talked about is we're making mistakes the 408 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: game plan to sound the plans or what they are. 409 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: It's just the player's execution or making self inflicted wounds. 410 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: But it is a nice change, I'll say, to see 411 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of Hey, we need to do a 412 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: couple things differently. What we're doing is not even if 413 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: we do it to perfection, is not perfect, and we 414 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: need to kind of adapt and move forward. So that's 415 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: some growth there that's good to see as well. One 416 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: of the people that is stepping up in the absence 417 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: of Christian Kirk has been Evan Ingram. He's been letting 418 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: in the world on fire. His first touchdown of the 419 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: year on Monday Night Football and then of course got 420 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: a couple of touchdowns against the Browns as well, and 421 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: he says this Ravens defense is gonna be a tough 422 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: magic as well. 423 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 7: They played with a lot of swagger. Uh they they 424 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 7: played really tough. They push pushed people around, and uh 425 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 7: they're playing really well. It's part of the you know, 426 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 7: they have a good, great offense and a great defense. So, uh, 427 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 7: they it's gonna be a challenge. They're gonna be in 428 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 7: our house. They came here last year and uh, they're 429 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 7: probably trying to respond to how the game ended last year. 430 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 7: So we're gonna get their best punch, but we got 431 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 7: the guys to go do it, for sure, John. 432 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: I have to imagine Evan's gonna be targeted quite a. 433 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 3: Bit for some good looking media around here and focusing 434 00:19:53,680 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 3: yeah it. To me, Evan has in this offense even 435 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: when the running game's going well. The passing game is 436 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 3: part of the running game in the West Coast offense 437 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 3: that hasn't been as effective with receivers necessarily this year. 438 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 3: But to me, a lot of Evans production is making 439 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 3: up for the lack of a running game a little 440 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 3: bit because Trevor really relies on it. When they're in 441 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: second and nine, it's going to Evan a lot getting 442 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 3: to third and two, getting the third and manageable. That 443 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 3: isn't I mean, Evan's not effective. I think it makes 444 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 3: them very important in this right now because you need 445 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 3: that tight end. He's on pace, I think, to catch 446 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: more passes than anybody except Jimmy in nineteen ninety nine. 447 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 3: He's probably gonna reach that number because they're using him 448 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 3: that way. The most impressive thing about Evan the last 449 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 3: couple weeks, all of a sudden, the red zone production's there. 450 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 3: It really hadn't been. I don't think he's ever going 451 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 3: to be a thirty five yard per catch guy like that, 452 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 3: but if he can keep giving you that in the 453 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 3: red zone. That's an element that they lacked for twelve 454 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 3: games or for eleven games. If that's there and they 455 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 3: start putting it together, that's really big Intocember Bryant. 456 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: If you were the Ravens, you take him away right, 457 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: try to Yeah, I mean, that's where you send Kyle Hamilton, 458 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 2: who was limiting a practice. 459 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 6: He's got the knee from last week. 460 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 2: That's where Rokwan Smith, who was an excellent linebacker, that's 461 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 2: where you'd put him. So to me, you said he'll 462 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: be targeted a lot. They'll try. This is where Parker 463 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: Washington and Jay Jones and Tim Jones or Elijah Cooks 464 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: or whenever the ball comes your way it may only 465 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: be twice, then you got to make a catch, especially 466 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: if it's on third down. You've got to pull this 467 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: one in. This is gonna be a game where Evan's 468 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 2: gonna get someplace. He's gonna make some place. He's really 469 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: a tough matchup, but this Ravens defense is excellent. It's 470 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 2: gonna come down to another guy making a clutch catch 471 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 2: in a key moment. 472 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: Should be all right coming up after the break here 473 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: on jag Zam, we're gonna go over who we think 474 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: will be some big playmakers on Sunday football against Baltimore. 475 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: Said at this Florida's trusted and reliable moving company and 476 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: they are proud to be the official moving partner of 477 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars. To get a guaranteed quote, you can 478 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: visit SUDE dot com slash Jacks. 479 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 4: Definitely. I mean, we got we got four four games left, 480 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 4: you know, we're we're we're in a fine position, you 481 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 4: know where we're at record wise. We we got to 482 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 4: take care of business this week and and moving forward, 483 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 4: but we got to take it one week at a 484 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 4: time and need to get back on track this week 485 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 4: for sure. But yeah, there's still plenty of time. You know, 486 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 4: you look at where we're at. If we could have 487 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 4: been in this position last year, we would have we 488 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 4: would have given a lot to be here. So you know, 489 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 4: there's no panic, but there is sense urgency where this 490 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 4: time of year, December going into January, you got to 491 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 4: be playing your best football and we're not there yet. 492 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 6: So we got some work to do. 493 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: Still plenty of time to get things figured out. And 494 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: it is a good point. This was very different than 495 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: this time last year and you wheeled off all those 496 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: wins in a row, and that was wonderful. But now 497 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: that you're in you know, you build up this kind 498 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: of lead, so if something like this happens, it doesn't 499 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: break your season. 500 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 2: Well, and John talked about it, managing attrition, managing the injuries. 501 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: And you've got guys now who you are either getting 502 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: back or who have been back for a week or 503 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: two and you hope get closer to being one hundred percent. 504 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: Can I just go ahead with my He will? 505 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 6: He won't? He mind, because my guy's one of those 506 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 6: guys in that state. Jones. 507 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: You know, he's been playing with a knee since week 508 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 2: two and he missed a good portion of the season. 509 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 6: Then he comes back and he's playing with a brace, 510 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 6: which he had never played with before, he told me 511 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 6: not long ago. 512 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: But he's finally feeling like he's getting back to one 513 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 2: hundred percent. And he's a guy who loves to play 514 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 2: in prime time and saves, he said, a little bit 515 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 2: of energy right for these kinds of games. So I 516 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: expect that he will come out and he will be 517 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 2: the go to guy. He will be that guy who 518 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 2: has ten targets, nine catches, you know, eighty nine yards 519 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 2: and two touchdowns, and remember he was the guy that 520 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: caught the two point conversion lines last year that beat 521 00:23:59,760 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 2: the race. 522 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 6: So he'll be that guy. I don't know that he's 523 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 6: going to be that breakaway guy that he's been, right. 524 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 6: I mean, he's the big speed guy, down the field guy. 525 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: I'm not sure he's ready, you know, from a knee perspective, 526 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: to be able to get down the field like that. 527 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: But I do believe that he might be the difference 528 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 2: maker in this game and catch the game winning touchdown 529 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: pass because we have forgotten with Christian and with Evan 530 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: and with Zay's injury that last year he was a 531 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 2: go to guy and having him back on the field, 532 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 2: even with Christian's absence, makes a world of difference for 533 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: the quarterback. It's another guy that he knows will be 534 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: where he's supposed to be. 535 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, when he's right, he really matters. 536 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 6: Yeah. 537 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: I wonder how much that knee injury is him, because 538 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: it's some things he's just to step off and I 539 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: feel like if he was fully healthy, it would be. 540 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: He's getting there, he says, But it's that again, it's 541 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 2: one of the stories where you hope that some of 542 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 2: these guys who are back and playing through injury all 543 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 2: of a sudden, get a little healthier, get a little stronger, 544 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 2: and feel more like themselves. 545 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 3: And it's tough because he hasn't been bad. I remember 546 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 3: there was a big play down the sideline. He made 547 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 3: a great catch Agains Houston. There's been a couple where 548 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 3: it's been there, he's flashed open, and sometimes this league 549 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 3: is sort of circumstances. The guy makes a great play 550 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 3: on you, but they definitely need his They need defenses 551 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 3: to respect him bare minimum to open everything else up. 552 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 3: I went with Josh Allen he will play well, because 553 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 3: when hasn't he played well this year? I think that's 554 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 3: probably the most telling thing about Josh. Even beyond in 555 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 3: games where he comes off the fields as I could 556 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 3: have done more, he's still playing well. He's been I 557 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 3: think their most consistent player all year. I'm not sure 558 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 3: who else I would put in that category. He won't 559 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 3: He won't disappear in this game. He won't. This is 560 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 3: never too much for him, and he won't quit. I 561 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 3: think the biggest thing he knows with Josh, even in 562 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 3: the games where he doesn't get a sad, he's pressuring. 563 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 3: Last week he was close you don't always get home 564 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: when you're a SAT guy. I thought he's still mattered, 565 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: and then I think that's why you need to sign 566 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 3: him and keep him around, because even I've said a 567 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 3: million times, even when he doesn't quote play well, he 568 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 3: plays well. 569 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 5: He might. 570 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 3: He had the moment against Cincinnati and then they didn't 571 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 3: win the game. He might make a play Sunday where 572 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 3: he's the one talking to Melissa Stark after the aim, 573 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 3: or you know, he might solidify himself on Sunday primetime 574 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 3: audience as not only a pro bowler, but a guy 575 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 3: everybody around the country says, Oh, he's good. 576 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 6: That's why the Jaguars are good. 577 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 3: This might be his night. 578 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: This one becomes the Josh Allen instead of Jaguars Josha. 579 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: This is a chance seat of bills Josh. Well, he 580 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 3: was that on one glorious day in a weird season. 581 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta take him next week if he doesn't 582 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 2: get a sack record, because it's coming. 583 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: I think it's coming. I think it's gonna Sunday Night Football. 584 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 3: It wouldn't be cool for him. And if he got 585 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 3: that on Sunday Night Football in a win, the whole 586 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 3: story and he's the kind of player some guys get 587 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 3: in the situation and they willt he's the kind of 588 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 3: player who rises to it. I hope, so I hope 589 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 3: we're right. 590 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: I went with Hoya Lewisan from My Hero who wins 591 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: Tonight because he will need to be the catalyst if 592 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: they're gonna fix this communication on defense. We've talked about 593 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: this for a couple of weeks now, how about things 594 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: have not been going away. They want to whether it's 595 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: the secondary or just not you know, reading things correctly, 596 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: it's buying on the run, whatever it may be. He's 597 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: kind of the captain out there, and he's gonna need 598 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: to be, you know, the sounding piece between the defensive 599 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: backs and the pass rush, especially now with so many 600 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: players that are backup playing in the secondary. He won't 601 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: have the luxury of not having a good tackling game 602 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: like he did on Monday Night Football, because with Lamar 603 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: Jackson's much of it is you know, keeping him in 604 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: the pocket and tackling him if he does go out 605 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: of the pocket. So with that, I think he might 606 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: have the ability to maybe force some turnovers because as 607 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: we know, Lamar does like to get out of the pocket, 608 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: run a little bit when he has that opportunity, and 609 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: of course Foil hopefully be there to make the tackle. 610 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: He's played at such a high level this season. The 611 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 2: last two weeks have not been up to that standard 612 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 2: that he sets for himself. I saw an overrun plays 613 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 2: which he never does against the Bengals, and last week 614 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 2: he had a communication issue with Devin Lloyd. 615 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 6: You just don't expect that. 616 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 2: So he's one of those guys that I expect to 617 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: come out and play well because that's who he is, 618 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: that's what he does. Johnny had a big game against 619 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson last year. He had a bunch of tackles. 620 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 2: I think that was his eighteen tackle game. 621 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 3: It was, And he's key against this team because they 622 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 3: want to run. Lamar is so key. If the linebackers 623 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: don't play well, meaning make tackles two yards off line 624 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: of scrimmage and not five, then they'll win this game. 625 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 3: And he gets the Ravens. Your linebackers have to play well. 626 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: Stay with us on Jag Dam after the break will 627 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,479 Speaker 1: go over. What was that going on for Sunday Night 628 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: Football this week? At the Bank jag fans, do you 629 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: want customized Jaguars furniture for your home. Checkout zipchair dot 630 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: com to arouse all customizable options. Zipchair is furniture made 631 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: for fans and Sunday night football. This home game against 632 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,719 Speaker 1: the Ravens is brought to you by publics where shopping 633 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: is a pleasure. 634 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 8: Let's all do oh, let me play, Let me play, 635 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 8: let me play. 636 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: They're down in four B God intercept it. 637 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: He put it right in the chest of Darius Williams. 638 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: The Jaguars defense needed that. 639 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 9: Not a boy just became a little bit of a 640 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 9: smash up derby out there and the receiver can't get there, 641 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 9: and Darius Williams fills the void and happily takes it away. 642 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 9: How was you? 643 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 5: You help him? 644 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: Darius Williams miked up last week and he doesn't always 645 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: talk a lot, but on the field was pretty musing. 646 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: I will say it was one of my more interesting 647 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: mikes ups. 648 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 6: That he should talk more. He's having a hell of 649 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 6: a season. 650 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: Seventeen passes, defense, near the top of the league, four interceptions. 651 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 2: I didn't expect that kind of a performance from him 652 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: this year. I expect him to be steady. I didn't 653 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 2: expect him to be, you know, the best cover corner 654 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: out there. Of course, Tyson Campbell has been injured for 655 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: so long, but he's really been nice. 656 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 3: No. I've said before I had egg on my face 657 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 3: with this, and I thought he'd be a weakness. I mean, 658 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: he was not great playing the nickel last year early 659 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 3: and he played well after that. I sort of ignored that. 660 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 3: This year he's been. I mean he's been their best corner. 661 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: Tyson had mental field, so credit to him and Pride 662 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 3: of Creek Side High. Yeah, he was on the ozone 663 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 3: podcast earlier four or five weeks ago. He doesn't love 664 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 3: doing media, so fans haven't really gotten to know him 665 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 3: a whole lot. But he's a very engaging, interesting young man. 666 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 6: We talked to. 667 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: Sunday Night Football this week, first time since two thousand 668 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: and eight. As we've talked about, I do want to 669 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: remind everybody to be in their seats early. The light 670 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: show was pretty cool for Monday Night Football. Sunday Night 671 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: Football is the tealout, so they're doing the Teal light 672 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: show as well, and there'll be little cards when you 673 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: get to your seat and you can put a little 674 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: Teal cover on top of your phone and then it'll 675 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: all be a Teal show as well. John do you 676 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: think you could handle it? 677 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:25,959 Speaker 6: Oh, yeah I can. 678 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: There's a card writer. It should be full proof. Just 679 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: scan it on there if John. 680 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 3: It makes me laugh when you when you mentioned the 681 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 3: teal out for the Monday night game. Why don't they 682 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 3: do a teal out? Why don't they do a tea 683 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: doing a blackout? That's guess what? Just be patient. 684 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 6: Are they wearing allD teal? 685 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: Yes? 686 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, tell out. 687 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: Everybody's wearing teal Team two, team too, Team two. All right, everybody, 688 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: enjoy the return of Sunday night football to Jacksonville. Will 689 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: be with you next week as we go over hopefully 690 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: a Jaguars win against the Ravens. 691 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 3: Enjoy the game. 692 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: He left the 693 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 6: St