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Speaker 1: As a CEO and fashion authority, I know it's the

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Speaker 1: in the details. Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're

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Speaker 1: listening to Climbing in Heels. This show is all about

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Speaker 1: celebrating the most extraordinary superwomen who will be sharing their

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Speaker 1: with me, I'm joined by fashion designer, activist, and author

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Speaker 1: Aurora James. Together we talk about women supporting women and

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Speaker 1: how society has programmed us to think that their chest

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Speaker 1: is not enough space for all women to be really

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Speaker 1: successful and I'm not sure why, but Aurora also opens

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Speaker 1: up about her background, how she made her way in

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Speaker 1: her life. Aurora's accessory and shoe line brother Velli's continues

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Speaker 1: to grow and it's truly beautiful for me to see

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Speaker 1: Aurora's success. It is earned brick by brick, lots of

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Speaker 1: she really is living proof of the American dream. Her

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Speaker 1: book Wildflower is also available and it is an incredibly

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Speaker 2: Welcome Aurora to Climbing in Heels, Lady.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you on. I'm so excited,

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Speaker 3: Well. First of all, there's a couple of things I

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Speaker 3: you know, for me, at least, I know that like

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Speaker 3: celebrating your success is not going to impact my success right,

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Speaker 3: because it's helped reshape how people think of women in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you know what, like people are gonna

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Speaker 2: Right and having other pep bulb govern it right totally.

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Speaker 1: So you leave Canada, you don't get into fashion school,

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Speaker 3: So I went to school. I ended up going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So then the next day I like started interning

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Speaker 3: Do you know anything about this? And I was like yeah,

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Speaker 3: I was twenty three. We got married. We were married

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Speaker 1: That's that's incredible, honestly, because it's like you're like, I'm

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Speaker 3: Yeah they were, they were, you know actually some of

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Speaker 3: like an art form and also so like an anthropological exercise,

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00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 3: like where's this where? Where's this shoe from? Where in

437
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 3: the world? What is it made out of? What does

438
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 3: that mean about the people in the community that made

439
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 3: the shoe? All that jazz? So finding like the good

440
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 3: fabric in a sea of polyester was like not hard

441
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 3: for me.

442
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: So you're living in LA You're selling clothes, and at

443
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: this point are you like, Okay, what am I doing

444
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: with my life? Like what happens? How do I live here?

445
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: Do I have to go back to Canada? Like what happens?

446
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: Because that's got I mean, that has to be scary.

447
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was scary. And my friends were all like

448
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 3: what are you doing? Yeah? Sure, you know, but I

449
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 3: was in love and I really wanted to figure it out,

450
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 3: and you know, I really only had him. And when

451
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 3: I finally was allowed to work, I ended up working

452
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: in a nonprofit arts organization called jen Art.

453
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, you know, just.

454
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 3: Started learning about how do we use like corporate dollars

455
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: to make art happen? You know, like how do we

456
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 3: raise money for Rodarte to have a fashion show. I'm

457
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 3: like Moroccan oy ol hair shampire, you know what I mean?

458
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 3: Like whatever, And so I started working.

459
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm literally living in your past. Yes,

460
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: I know so well everything you're speaking of.

461
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah. I remember one time we did a show.

462
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: It was like a fashion show in LA and it

463
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: was like sponsored by Botox, and I was like, is

464
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 3: this like pushing it? But I was like, listen, I'll

465
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 3: take the money.

466
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: Where I can take the money. Take the money, take

467
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Speaker 1: the money, take them a note.

468
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 3: Nope.

469
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Speaker 1: I think I think like ten and fifteen years ago,

470
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: we'd be like, no way, we are not having metofiliation.

471
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure if like a dog food brand

472
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: wanted to sponsor a fashion show, they'd figure it out.

473
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 3: Oh totally, yeah, they would dress they would dress the

474
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 3: dog totally totally. So yeah. I mean that was really

475
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 3: how how I Then I was at gen Ard and

476
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: then you know, I ended up like surprise, my you know,

477
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 3: club guy. Marriage didn't work out, and I went to

478
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: New York, which was which was great, and I was

479
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 3: working at jen Nard in New York, and I kind

480
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 3: of went down to just being freelance and I started

481
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,959
Speaker 3: working in show production as well and casting and just

482
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 3: like doing all the like.

483
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: New York state, all the things which really expensive to

484
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: live in New York.

485
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I lived in a one bedroom apartment in

486
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 3: the Lower East Side with two other people.

487
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 2: Right, well, that's yeah, how you live in New York.

488
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 3: How you live in New York. Actually, hop Tips was

489
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 3: a sponsor of something that we did once and there

490
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: was like fifteen extra gigantic boxes of bags of pot

491
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: tips and I took them back to the apartment.

492
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: Lunch lunch.

493
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: But you have to do what you have to do

494
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 3: the thing. You have to do what you have to do.

495
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: And it's such a shame that like a lot of

496
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: that gets lost in people's stories once they become more successful,

497
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 3: because I just like want young people to know that, like,

498
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: whatever freak you have to do to get it done,

499
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: and you know, get it done. I had so many

500
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 3: friends that were like working at nightclubs, bartending, doing whatever,

501
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 3: just in order to facilitate their internship during the day.

502
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: Of course, you have to do that, and it is

503
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: to your point those things do get lost in the conversation,

504
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: which is exactly why I do climb me in heels

505
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: because I want people to know how freaking hard it

506
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: is and that it's brick by brick and it's a

507
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: lot of sweat and it's a lot of tears, and

508
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: it's a lot of like I give up, but it's

509
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: a lot of like, Nope, I'm going to keep going.

510
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: And it's a lot of how can I keep going?

511
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: And who do I know that can like give me

512
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: a part time job to do X? And you know,

513
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: I have friends that worked four different jobs just to like,

514
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, you just you gotta do it. But then

515
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: you get to be in a position, hopefully at some

516
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: point where you're like, yeah, I met this person because

517
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: I was doing this because of this part time shit

518
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: job I had doing X, and now they're running this

519
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: place and da da da. You know, so like each

520
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: thing really, but it's hard in the moment, right, It's

521
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: hard in the moment because you're just like where is

522
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: this leading and what happens?

523
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 3: Right?

524
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: So then you go to New York and then at

525
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: what point are you like, I'm starting my own brand

526
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: because that's really scary moment.

527
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: You never had a moment moment, So what happened was

528
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: you're like just kidding, I didn't have that moment.

529
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Speaker 3: I okay. So my father was born and raised in

530
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: Ghana and he died when I was little, and I

531
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 3: just never I didn't really know anything about Africa beyond

532
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: like what you see on TV, which is like a

533
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: time was like World Vision commercials that are like you

534
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 3: can feed a kid for penny of days, and I

535
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: was like.

536
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 2: I did that. I did that. I kept that.

537
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: I kept adopting kids, and my parents would get the

538
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: phone calls and I was like.

539
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: I got there at the kid with the tear, mom

540
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: taking this.

541
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: Kid totally right, yes, every day. And so then I

542
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 3: ended up like saving up. It was actually a weird situation.

543
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: Friends of mine were going there to do a fashion show.

544
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: It was like a sponsor at fashion show in Nigeria,

545
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: and so I ended up They were like will you

546
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: come with us to help like the produce to show,

547
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 3: and I was like yes. So that was the first

548
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: time I ever went to Africa, and I ended up

549
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: basically over the course of like a year kind of

550
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: backpacking around different places in Africa. And my mom, as

551
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 3: I mentioned, was like very into like traditional like Danish CLOBs.

552
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: She had like Japanese kimono that she would like keep

553
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: and preserve and like is really were but really appreciate,

554
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: you know her. So when I was going to Africa,

555
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: I was like immediately looking for like anything artisanal right

556
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 3: and traditional, and I was really shocked because a lot

557
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: of what was there was like like knock off true

558
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: religion genes and like hood by Air, like basically the

559
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: vibe was Christiano Ronaldo. No, like yeah, they were like

560
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 3: really emulating like Christian. I was shocked because I wasn't

561
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 3: expecting but actually, yeah, I wasn't expecting like European or

562
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: Western like fashion standards to like creep onto the continent

563
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: of Africa, which I guess in retrospect to silly, but

564
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: that's definitely what was happening, and so it was hard

565
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 3: to find anything traditional. But anyways, I ended up going

566
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 3: to South Africa, Namibia and seeing this shoe which was

567
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: called a velly and actually the full word is fell

568
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: skewn like l D sko e n, which they call

569
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: felsky or a belly for short, and it was kind

570
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: of one of the very first shoes that ever evolved

571
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: on the continent. It started out with just being like

572
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: leather that they wrapped around their foot from an animal

573
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: they ate, and then it became like a top bottom

574
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: and a side piece of leather tacked together, and then

575
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: at one point when they started working with the rubber tree.

576
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: They put a rubber sole on it, and when British

577
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: people were in Southern Africa, they saw the belly and

578
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: they fell in love with it and they brought it

579
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: back up to the UK and they kept it exactly

580
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: as it was, but they renamed it a desert boot

581
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: and they launched the company Clarks.

582
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: Wow.

583
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: Yes, that's story right, So that shoe is actually a

584
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: traditional African shoe.

585
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: That's wild. I thought you're going to say wallabies, remember those?

586
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember wallabies.

587
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to I thought it was

588
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: going to be a wallaby. But I guess that's awsie

589
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: just kidding. Yeah, well yeah, maybe maybe blonde moment I

590
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: want to know.

591
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: And so, you know, my mom used to talk to

592
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: me about ug boots because those are like a traditional

593
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 3: Australian surfing shoe.

594
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Yep, sure do you know that?

595
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: Crazy? So, so that's the origin story of that shoe.

596
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: And I when I would find I found a few

597
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: workshops that were like multi generationally owned and they had

598
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: a supply chain that was fascinating. There would be you know,

599
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 3: a farmer who worked with the animals and sold all

600
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: the meat at the local farmer's market and then had

601
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: the hides leftover and that's what they would use to

602
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: make the shoes. And then there were women that would

603
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: dye the leather using plants or tree bark.

604
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: Or utilizing every possible resource. Nothing is wasted ever, totally

605
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Speaker 1: As a CEO fashion authority and Mom, I know, it's

606
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: the details that truly matter, and when it comes to luxury,

607
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Speaker 1: every stitch must be perfectly tailored. That's why driving this

608
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: Genesis GV eighty is such a luxurious experience. The SUV's

609
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Speaker 1: exterior design, including two line led headlamps, exudes athletic elegance.

610
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611
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612
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613
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Speaker 3: You know, it was crazy because these workshops were just

617
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: like closing down like rapidly. There's only a few left.

618
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: And I just loved what they were doing. I started

619
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: wearing the shoes a bunch, and I was like, listen,

620
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: there was a workshop that I loved so much, and

621
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: it was at risk of going out of business, and

622
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: I was like, had thirty five hundred dollars in savings,

623
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: and I was like, Okay, let's work together. I want

624
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: to make a batch of these shoes. I want to

625
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: change them a little bit, and you know, maybe we

626
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: can make a bunch and I'll just take them back

627
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: with me to New York. And they were like, okay, sure, whatever.

628
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: You want to do, lady, you know and crazy lady.

629
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: Oh guy, yeah.

630
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: And I was like, can you like help me learn

631
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: how to make them. So they taught me like how

632
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: to make a shoe kind of from beginning to end,

633
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 3: and but all the different types of leather. I met

634
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: with the farmers, I met with the women. There was

635
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: a specific tribe of women called the Himba that were

636
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: dying this amazing red color because they cover their whole

637
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: bodies every day in red clay and their hair in

638
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: red clay. And so they taught me how to die

639
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: using red clay. I brought this. I put all the

640
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: shoes in my luggage and I brought them back to

641
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: New York and I set up a booth. For seventy dollars,

642
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: you could get a rend a booth basically at something

643
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: called the Hester Street Fair, which is like a flea

644
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: market in the lower east side of Manhattan.

645
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: They were going to say twenty sixth Street. I was like,

646
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: I lived at the twenty sixth Street flea Market, Like.

647
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, totally right. When you're that's the vibe. It's

648
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: a flea market.

649
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: That's why I shopped. That's shopping, absolutely absolutely.

650
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 3: So I like set up a little table and I

651
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: brought the shoes and I put them out there and

652
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: I just wanted to I didn't call it anything. I

653
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: was just I wanted to sell these shoes because I

654
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: thought that they were awesome. And then I, you know,

655
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: started selling them and I used the money that I

656
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: got to you know, send it back there and get

657
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 3: more shoes and stop. That's how it was born.

658
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: That's it, you like, I mean, that is wild.

659
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. The first time I was there was the first

660
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: or second week I was there, there was a woman

661
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: that came and she bought a pair for her husband,

662
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: and then I guess she'd come back, like maybe four

663
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: weeks later, and I wasn't there because I'd ran out

664
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 3: of shoes, and then I came back and she came

665
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: back and she was like, where have you been? And

666
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, like, I ran out of shoes,

667
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: so I wasn't here, you know. And she was like, well,

668
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: I need to buy more. My husband really loves them.

669
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: And I was like great. And she was asking me

670
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: all these questions about, you know, how I sourced it

671
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: and the story of the valleys, and I was telling

672
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: her everything, and she was like, you know, you really

673
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: need a website. And I was like, oh, well, it's

674
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: really just a stall right now, Like this a big

675
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: list for me at eight am.

676
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she.

677
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: Was like, well, I need you to make one. I

678
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: need you to make a website. And I was like okay,

679
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,479
Speaker 3: I mean she's my number one customer at this point, Rachel.

680
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: She got like four pairs of shoes, so I'm like,

681
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 3: anything this woman wants she gets.

682
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, vurs And how much were the shoes? How much

683
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: were you selling them for?

684
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: I think they about one hundred and thirty five dollars.

685
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 2: Which had a flea market. By the way, is a lot.

686
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: Is a lot? Is a lot is a lot? And

687
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 3: so she was like, I need you to make a website.

688
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: Can you do it by like Wednesday afternoon? And I

689
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: was like, oh god, you know, it's Saturday morning. I'm like, yeah,

690
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: I can try, and she's like, promise me that you'll

691
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: do it, and like I need to know like early

692
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 3: on Wednesday. And I was like, okay, fine, you know,

693
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: and i'll email you by like Tuesday night. And she

694
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: was like okay, great, so excuse me like her Gmail

695
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: or whatever. So I call my friend as soon as

696
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: I leave, who's like, you know, another like twenty year

697
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: old playing like dungeons and dragons like in his parents' basement.

698
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: And I was like, will you make me a website,

699
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: you know, for this thing I'm doing. And he was like,

700
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: oh man, like a bit, I guess, so right, like

701
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: I ordered him a pizza, like he did it, you know,

702
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: kind of begrudgingly. And so then I send the woman

703
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: like the link to the website on Tuesday night or whatever.

704
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: She doesn't respond. I'm like, oh god, this woman like

705
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: so much effort or whatever. And then on Thursday she

706
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 3: ends up writing me and she's like, thank you so

707
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: much for making the website. You should go get a

708
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: copy of the New York Times. And I went and

709
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 3: I got a copy of the New York Times and

710
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 3: she had written this big story in the style section

711
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: section about me and the shoes.

712
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: Did you like die?

713
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: I died? I died. I died. And then I went

714
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: onto like our little website and all of the shoes

715
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 3: that I had like put up there had sold.

716
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: Oh that's actually the American dream. It is no, like,

717
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: that's the American dream. That's like what people talk about.

718
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: That's like, that is that is the thing we don't

719
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: hear enough about, to be honest. That is such a

720
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: story and like the most beautiful story. So then at

721
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: that point, that is that when you were like, Okay,

722
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this and I'm going to try

723
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: for a CFDA, a Vogue Fashion Fund or did you.

724
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: Kind of So I was like, okay, how do I

725
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 3: get in front of people? Like how do I get

726
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: people to see this? Like I don't know anyone? Right,

727
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: And so I would get the magazines and I would

728
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 3: read the masth head so I had everyone's names at least.

729
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: Who's the accessories director? Exactly right?

730
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 3: Exactly right. And so when I would go to Africa,

731
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 3: I would get postcards and I would send them postcards

732
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: and I'd say, Hi, I'm in Africa right now. I'm

733
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: working on making some shoes if you're open to it,

734
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,479
Speaker 3: Like I would love to show you what I'm making

735
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: when I when I get back and by the time

736
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 3: you were this postcard, I'll be back, you know, and

737
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: like this is my email. And so a few people

738
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: would email me, which was really amazing, Like women's were

739
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 3: daily email me, and Elle emailed me, and and and

740
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: someone at Vogue emailed me, and and kind.

741
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: Of probably like yeah, yeah, yeah.

742
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: It was really awesome that people were like open to,

743
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: you know, having me come by. And I was like

744
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: this very you know, crunchy, hippy tippy as I still

745
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: kind of m and I think people were just like,

746
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: what is happening with this person?

747
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: And so then but they all but the thing about

748
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: fashion is like when they smell something new and telling,

749
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: it's like you know right, and they all like me

750
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: first me first, I get the first part, the first look.

751
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: I get that, you know, frenzy totally.

752
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,479
Speaker 3: And so then I was like, I actually didn't tell

753
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: anyone that I was applying to the Fashion Fund except

754
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: for like my same friend who helped me with the

755
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: website because I needed to help like like put my

756
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: materials together. And I was like, you know, what I'm

757
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: never going to get in, but I know that someone

758
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 3: is going to have to review my materials and if

759
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 3: it's one of these judges, yeah, then it will be

760
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: worth it. Sure, you know, I'm like, whoever Genna Lions

761
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: at J Crew, like.

762
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: Whoever any of these people are y?

763
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was why I applied. And it was

764
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: really crazy that I made it to the next phase

765
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 3: because I really wasn't expecting that in a hundred million years.

766
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 4: I ended up.

767
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: I won two years after I launched the brand.

768
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: That's so wild. That is so wild.

769
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: I mean, that is such a story and I'm so

770
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: happy I know it and fully understand it now because

771
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't think enough people know that story. You know,

772
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: I really don't, and you should actually share it more.

773
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: But I think because it's so inspirational and it's so

774
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: hard and it's so hard to do, and like you know,

775
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: just now and I'm you know, involved in fashion trust

776
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: and all these things, and it's just watching the talent

777
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: that exists in the world and in this country and

778
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: in every country. But like the amount of talent, undiscovered, unnurtured,

779
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: unmantored talent you know that's out there is so incredible.

780
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: And it's like it is so hard. And when I

781
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: meet so many young designers and they're like, you know,

782
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: I'd love to give these to you and like whatever,

783
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: and it's like I don't want to take it because

784
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: in how much that cost?

785
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: You know, I know.

786
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: But at the same time, they're like, even if you

787
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: just wear it, you don't have to post it, And

788
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: it's like no, no, no. If I'm taking this, I'm

789
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: posting the fuck out of this because there's going to

790
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: be a real purpose to like taking this. And you know,

791
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: I think that I think that these stories are so

792
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 1: important because we have to continue to nurture talent totally

793
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: and mentor and fund more importantly, because you can make

794
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: incredible things, but if you can't afford to make them,

795
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: they don't get made and people need to buy them.

796
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: So yes.

797
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 4: So I was just explaining this like someone who doesn't

798
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 4: know about the other day and I was like, they

799
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: were asking me about the CFTA Vogue Fashion Fund and

800
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 4: and I just went to the cft Awards on Monday

801
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 4: and I wore the woman who is a runner.

802
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: Up this Yeah, you look so beautiful.

803
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 3: I love that gorgeous theotima. It's all gorgeous in Jamaica

804
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 3: from where I went to school.

805
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: Beautiful. I saw that.

806
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: I was like, it was gorgeous. I loved both justices.

807
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: You look stunning.

808
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much. Yeah, we talk about

809
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: creativity and young designers and even like made in America

810
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 3: or you know, sustainably made stuff, and it's like all

811
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: of that is happening, it's just not really being supported

812
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: in the way that we want, right, and so that

813
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: really means that as consumers, we have to shop with

814
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: our values in mind too, right. It's like, if you

815
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: want to see more women's designers, you have to shop.

816
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: More women's and support small businesses if you don't want

817
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: Amazon to take over. So now your collection is incredibly successful.

818
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: You're sold like all over the place, not all over

819
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: the place, but in a lot of places, and you're

820
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: on site. Tell everybody where to find you please.

821
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 3: Oh Brothervellies dot Com also nord Strums or Sacks.

822
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: Okay, and now you've but now you're also doing aren't

823
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: you doing clothing as well?

824
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: No? Not really, I'll do like clothing labs every once

825
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 3: in a while, you know what I mean. But really

826
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: still focusing on shoes and backs because that's what feels

827
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: like most connected to me.

828
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: You know, it's better? Can I just add that better?

829
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 3: So there's like there's a lot of amazing people already

830
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 3: in the clothing space. So I'm like there is Oh gosh,

831
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 3: your dogs.

832
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: Oh do you see her? Where are you can see?

833
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: It's such a mama's girl.

834
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: She literally like won't let me podcast without being in

835
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: the vicinity.

836
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: She won't. But wait a minute, Okay, So then so

837
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 2: then you.

838
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: Write your story, your life story, which very cathartic, very profound,

839
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: very strong, honest, beautiful, thank you all the things I

840
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: scream to anyone who will listen to buy it, gift it,

841
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: great holiday gift.

842
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, great holiday gift.

843
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: Great holiday gift, great holiday gift. Sell your book, yeah.

844
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 3: I mean I really wrote it because I wanted to

845
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: give an opportunity for other women who might think that

846
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: they're not quite the right person to take that big

847
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 3: leap of faith on themselves.

848
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: Right, which that business at most.

849
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: Right one hundred percent, Like we get in our way

850
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 3: more than anyone else. There's a whole statistic about you know,

851
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: like if you put job posting in front of a

852
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: man and a woman, like men can not meet like

853
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: eight of the qualifications, and they'll still apply. If women

854
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: don't meet one of the qualifications, they won't even think

855
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 3: about applying.

856
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: That is so true? Yes, what is that?

857
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: That is so true? Yeah, I'd be like, oh no,

858
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: this isn't for me.

859
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: I can't do that. Nope, right, no, completely.

860
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 3: It's like we get in our own way of success, right,

861
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 3: And I think that like my story in a lot

862
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 3: of ways is not really getting in my own way

863
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: of sex. I mean, don't get me wrong, I do

864
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 3: in certain moments, But I think there's something about me

865
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: that's like, well, I should just try, right, I should

866
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 3: just try. And I think maybe because of my time

867
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: in Jamaica, maybe because of the way that I was raised,

868
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: I've always been like really tapped into my own privilege

869
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: that I have, right, And even when I started becoming

870
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: a little bit more successful. And don't get me wrong,

871
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: brother bellies is not you know Michael Core's, but.

872
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: What is my friend? What is? Right?

873
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 3: So? But you know, like I think we make really

874
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: beautiful shoes, they sell really well. You know, it's imported

875
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 3: me in pretty great life and a pretty great platform.

876
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: And so I think for me, it's like I think

877
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 3: we should use those things to our advantage, right, And

878
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: I really love making beautiful things in a really beautiful way,

879
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: you know. I love playing with different fabrics and materials

880
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: and creating shoes that I think can stay in people's

881
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 3: archives for forever. And and I think that really my

882
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: guiding light in doing that has just been about wanting

883
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: to connect with other people and nature and women and

884
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 3: communities of women that can support each other. And I

885
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: think a lot about the book is, you know, women

886
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: and how and how women have supported me, and how

887
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: I want to give back and support their women. And

888
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 3: then also like, you know, the whole thing about blooming

889
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: in places where you're not expected to bloom, right, Like,

890
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: people aren't always like rooting for you to succeed. People

891
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: aren't always like leaving space for you to like show

892
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: up with all of your full colors and like radiant light.

893
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: And I think it's like, we got to just do

894
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 3: it anyways, you know, we got to find the courage

895
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: to do it anyways. And I hope that this book

896
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: helps give people some of that courage. And now the

897
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: messages people are so amazing.

898
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: And you're also tapping into so many other parts. Now

899
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: I feel like, right, you just launched a fund with Ama.

900
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, separately from separately from em but we work

901
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 3: together sometimes. She's so amazing and she's been crushing it

902
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: on Shark Tank, which is so cool and.

903
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: Just as crushing period.

904
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: I know, she's awesome. I launched it separately, but I

905
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 3: like it's been telling that I've been working on for

906
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: you basically since i started the pledge, because I was like,

907
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 3: you know, we can create a lot of opportunity for founders,

908
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 3: but unless they have access to capital, it's really hard

909
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: to grow a.

910
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: Business, you know, really hard, really hard.

911
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: We talk about that a lot.

912
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: It's really hard, and it's hard even more so for

913
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: women to get money, you know.

914
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, And I think for me it's like, even

915
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: when someone does want to invest, it's like your business

916
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: is your baby, Like do you want to trust that

917
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: person with your baby? Right? No? That part?

918
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know that's the part.

919
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: Because sometimes you'll finally manage to get an offer and

920
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 3: then you're.

921
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: Like, wait, like, I don't I don't want to work

922
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: for this person doesn't understand me.

923
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't understand me, my customer, my brand, what

924
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do.

925
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

926
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: One thousand percent, it's it's hard. So you're going to

927
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: be providing strategic capital to founders.

928
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: Yep, I love it.

929
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 3: I love it and like hopefully an ecosystem of support,

930
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: you know. And I think for me, like I decided

931
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: to call it friends and family because when you hear

932
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: these stories about launching a business, it's like, oh, you're

933
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: supposed to get money from your friends and family, and

934
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: it's like, what if your friends and family don't have

935
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 3: any money.

936
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: It's by the way, I say that all the time.

937
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: It's like, we're just going to do friends and family.

938
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: We're doing like a two million rais for friends and family.

939
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, nice friends, that's great, right, totally, that's good.

940
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: How many friends? How many friends did that? How many

941
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: friends and family did that?

942
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: Round with you? Right, that's great, good for you.

943
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: But what about people that don't have friends and family

944
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: that can put a million dollars into a business or whatever.

945
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 3: And that was so crazy for me. Like when I

946
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 3: was you know, in the early years of Brother Bellies,

947
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 3: and people would say like, oh, you need to just

948
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: raise from your friends and family, and I was like,

949
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 3: there's one hundred percent chance my mom is not even

950
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: giving me one hundred dollars. Like I know, it's just

951
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 3: like it's not happening, guys.

952
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: But that's that's most.

953
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: That's most, And so I think that's important to really

954
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: talk about and provide and help again like pay it

955
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: forward from all that you done and all that you've learned,

956
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: and try and nurture, you know, more people that are

957
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: taking that brtal road because they love it, you know,

958
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: and they believe in what they're doing two thousand percent.

959
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: And that's why I also the Fashion Fund was so

960
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 3: important for me because it was a three hundred thousand

961
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: dollars grant that I want. Yes, right, It's like, when

962
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: else are you getting three hundred thousand dollars for free?

963
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 2: No you're not.

964
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 1: You're not not without someone owning you, right literally yes,

965
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: And so.

966
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, the opportunity to win three hundred thousand

967
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 3: dollars and like you know, have access to all of

968
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 3: those judges like you know and a Winterer DBF, like

969
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: it just was so huge for me. And so I think, now,

970
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 3: you know, having launched my nonprofits fifteen percent pledge and

971
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: trying to support black entrepreneurs, it's like, how do we

972
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 3: create grant opportunities and then also ecosystem of founders that

973
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: they can just call for help sometimes to ask those

974
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: questions because when you're the first, like what we talked about,

975
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 3: when you're the first person, you can feel really lonely

976
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: and sometimes you just want someone that you can pick

977
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: up the phone and call.

978
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: YEP.

979
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: It's like that video game. I always kind of like

980
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: think about it in my head. You're like running into

981
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: the wall and bouncing back. You're like, wait, I got this,

982
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: well nope, I felt backwards again someone else totally. Like

983
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: I always have that visual or like trying to go

984
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: into the ocean and like getting out so far then

985
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: that way of just thing too right back in and

986
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: you're just it's that feeling.

987
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 2: Well.

988
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: I adore you. I'm so impressed with you. I love

989
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: your story. I love your personal story, I love your

990
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: professional story, I love your ambition.

991
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: I love all of it.

992
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: And I also love how you have like taken away

993
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: from it, Like not only are you paying it forward,

994
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: but you're also you're so optimistic and you're like, I'm

995
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: not tripping over myself, because I mean I still trip

996
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: over myself. We just do because it's opportunity block. Opportunity block,

997
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, wait, let me unblock that. Let me let

998
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: me unblock. I don't need to block that. But like

999
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: I think, to your point, women's tip. Women typically block

1000
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: and they're like, why I'm not right for that or whatever.

1001
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: So I think that's so important. And I love what

1002
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: you're doing. I love all the things you're doing, and

1003
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: I'm so impressed and I can't wait to see it

1004
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: you keep doing honestly, and I love that you climb

1005
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: in heels.

1006
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I absolutely climb in hills. You know,

1007
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: my mom said to me when I first started designing

1008
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 3: high heels. He was like, she was like, well, that's interesting.

1009
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 3: High heels were traditionally created as a tool to keep

1010
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 3: women from running away, So you have to do everything

1011
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 3: that you can to use it as a tool to

1012
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: help women run and push forward.

1013
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: You need to put that on your social today. Okay,

1014
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: that's beautiful.

1015
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 3: I'll put it on. I'll put it on my social

1016
00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: when we when we meet.

1017
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: Yes, please, because I really love that. And I'm one

1018
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: hundred percent going to give your mom credit and I'm

1019
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: recycling that because it makes See That's why I was

1020
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: saying when you were saying, she loves the history of everything,

1021
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I love that because we don't really

1022
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: talk enough about that, and that is amazing and it

1023
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: makes absolute sense.

1024
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: And that's why. By the way, fun fact, I went.

1025
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: To Sedars sign a hospital to give birth to both

1026
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: my kids, wearning so many deals. I don't I didn't

1027
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: keep them on during birth. I don't think I'm insane,

1028
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: but let's be real, but I did go in heels.

1029
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:40,959
Speaker 2: I just wow, it.

1030
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: Was just I don't know, It's all I knew. It

1031
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: was four am my boots were there, I'd put them in.

1032
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 3: Listen, I mean listen. I think the number one time.

1033
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: Like people talk a lot, well maybe they don't, but

1034
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: in certain worlds, people talk a lot about what luxury means.

1035
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 3: And I think, to me, when I think about brother bellies,

1036
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 3: I know that it makes women feel more empowered. It

1037
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 3: makes women feel proud, It makes women feel accepted. It

1038
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 3: makes women feel like they can do anything that they

1039
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: want to do. Like a pair of brother Valley's heels

1040
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 3: is like a cape. So Rachel, do your thing. Were

1041
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 3: the heels to see your SINAI that's your cape.

1042
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: And by the way, I have to make sure they're

1043
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: brother ballet too. By the way, because next time listen,

1044
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: I love it. Oh my god, all right, I love you.

1045
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: I hope I get to see you soon. Yeah, I'm

1046
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: so happier in LA. I just always think of you

1047
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: in New York. But you know, but you're both. You're

1048
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: both and have a beautiful day and taken OAP thank

1049
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: you for coming.

1050
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 2: Out that right now, by sweetheart. Bye.

1051
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: Okay, it's that time in the show when I answer

1052
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: to listener questions. So let's see what we have today.

1053
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: How do you recover from having a bad day? And

1054
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: do you let your kids see when you're feeling down?

1055
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: It's a great question. Actually, the way that I typically recover,

1056
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: funny enough, is with my kids. Like truthfully, if I'm

1057
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: having a bad day, I typically will like get off

1058
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: my computer and like have dinner with the kids, and

1059
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: then we'll watch a show or a movie or something

1060
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: to just like shut my brain down and have them

1061
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: both kind of on top of me, cuddling and like

1062
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: full effect. And that really helps me heal because it

1063
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: takes my brain out of work, out of life, and

1064
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: I can just kind of realize how blessed I am,

1065
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: and sometimes for me, my kids just kind of like

1066
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: check me. It's sort of like, your day is not

1067
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: that bad. You have this and you're good. The rest

1068
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: you can figure out. So that really does help me.

1069
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: And in terms of my kids seeing me down, I've

1070
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: tried very hard for my kids not to see when

1071
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm down. It's very rare that they've seen me cry,

1072
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: and the few times they have, they really worry. They

1073
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: really worry. They're like, Mommy, are you okay? Is everything okay?

1074
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: And I do know for me that when I was young,

1075
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: if I saw my mom or dad upset, when I

1076
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: saw my mother in tears, I knew something was really wrong.

1077
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: So I try to be very aware of how much

1078
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: they feel if I'm down. So yeah, not too much.

1079
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: I try really not to show it. But if they

1080
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: ask me and something is bothering me or I'm having

1081
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: a rough days, sometimes I'll just say mommy's tired or

1082
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm having a bad day, but I'll be good tomorrow,

1083
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, because I don't like to lie.

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Speaker 2: And they're old enough now where they understand.

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Speaker 1: Okay, if you could go back in time, what internship

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Speaker 1: would you die to have? Oh that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I would have loved to have interned

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Speaker 1: I think I think interning for Oscar Delaurenta or Mark

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Speaker 1: Jacobs would have absolutely been a dream because I just

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Speaker 1: would have It would have been like going to fashion school,

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Speaker 1: you know, it would have been the best and just

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Speaker 1: learning from you know, just absolute talent. That would have

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Speaker 1: been a dream, an absolute dream. And I never had

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Speaker 1: any of those internships. So you know, for those of

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Speaker 1: you that do get those dream internships, enjoy every second

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Speaker 1: and learn everything you can. Okay, don't forget to submit

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Speaker 1: your questions for next week's episode. All you have to

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Speaker 1: do is dm us your questions to at Climbing Inhals

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Speaker 1: pod on Instagram and I just might answer your question.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much Aura for coming

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Speaker 1: on the podcast. Your story is so incredibly inspiring and

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Speaker 1: again really really living proof of the American dream. We

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Speaker 1: put yourself first.

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Speaker 2: And I have to say, like.

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Speaker 1: Aura was really fearless in so many ways because you know,

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Speaker 1: to say the least, I think that Aurora really was

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Speaker 1: able to overcome that and say like, this is my shot,

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Speaker 1: let me figure this out. And she took something she

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Speaker 1: was passionate about on a trip to Ghana and turned

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Speaker 1: it into a business, from being at a flea market

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Speaker 1: and selling a few pairs of amazing shoes to turning

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Speaker 1: it into a business. And obviously, now as you've heard,

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Speaker 1: Aurora does multiple things, and she is a force, and

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Speaker 1: she is someone who really lives her truth. And it's

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Speaker 1: incredibly impressive and I am endlessly inspired by Aura. You

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Speaker 1: should absolutely get her book Wildflower. It's pretty amazing. And

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Speaker 1: if you want more Climbing in Heels content, please follow

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Speaker 1: me on at Rachel's Out and at Climbing in the

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Speaker 1: Halls pod on Instagram for more updates and upcoming guests,

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Speaker 1: episodes and all things care Ittor and I will see

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Speaker 1: you next week.

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