Speaker 1: Honestly, I just had a hard time watching him at
Speaker 1: the end of his career. It just looked painful to
Speaker 1: be shot lumbering up and down the NBA court at
Speaker 1: that age. Welcome to One Day University Talks with the
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Speaker 1: This podcast is your chance to discover some of our
Speaker 1: top rated lectures on your own schedule. I'm Steven Schragis.
Speaker 1: Spring is a great time for sports in America. The
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Major League Baseball season has officially kicked off,
Speaker 1: the NBA and NHL playoffs are just around the corner,
Speaker 1: and the upcoming NFL Draft will give us a sneak
Speaker 1: peak of the league's next generation of superstars. But while
Speaker 1: new players are just joining the world of professional sports,
Speaker 1: others have stayed way past their prime. Why does so
Speaker 1: many athletes refuse to retire? Professor Matthew Andrews talked about
Speaker 1: this phenomenon in a lecture for One Day University. It's
Speaker 1: called one season too many superstar athletes who stayed too long.
Speaker 1: Matt teaches American history at the University of North Carolina.
Speaker 1: His courses dive into American sports and explore issues like
Speaker 1: race relations and the American identity. Matt knew I had
Speaker 1: one specific athlete in mind, by the way, when I
Speaker 1: asked him to come up with this list. So you
Speaker 1: asked me to give this lecture on athletes who stayed
Speaker 1: around one season too many, and Stephen, I instantly thought, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is because Tom Brady is suffering. Tom Brady is
Speaker 1: having a tough time. To be a New York Jets
Speaker 1: fan is to be a long suffering New York Jets
Speaker 1: fan and to lose at the hands of Brady over
Speaker 1: and over. So I immediately figured this was you with glee,
Speaker 1: rubbing your hands together and saying, I'm going to have Matt,
Speaker 1: you know, dance on the grave of Tom Brady metaphorically speaking.
Speaker 1: And now I'll give you a chance to to gloat
Speaker 1: and dance metaphorically on Tom Brady's grave if you'd like,
Speaker 1: because he did very poorly in the playoffs in his
Speaker 1: NFL career, so he says is over. I think I
Speaker 1: think it is over, and he ended by going down
Speaker 1: in flame. So I'm one happy Jets fan. So Matt,
Speaker 1: tell me what criteria did you use to go through
Speaker 1: the array of athletes and who you were going to
Speaker 1: focus on. Yeah, criteria, let's use that word loosely. This
Speaker 1: was bad science. It was the epitome of unscientificness. You know,
Speaker 1: there was no calculus. I yeah, there are number crunchers
Speaker 1: out there who will look at players and they can
Speaker 1: they can prove to us that these players stayed around
Speaker 1: one season too long because of how their performance waned
Speaker 1: on the field. I tried to think of athletes who
Speaker 1: suffered either a precipitous drop in quality of play. I
Speaker 1: try to think of athletes who I suppose we were
Speaker 1: kept around, or or who stayed around themselves because they
Speaker 1: brought name recognition to a team. They knew that fans
Speaker 1: would come and see them because of their name and
Speaker 1: click the turn styles. For me, the obvious answer was
Speaker 1: who are the athletes who damaged themselves? Who are the
Speaker 1: athletes who damaged their bodies by playing way after they
Speaker 1: should have? You know, is an athletes who tarnish their reputation?
Speaker 1: Who were the athletes who were our idols and we
Speaker 1: had to watch them struggle at the time. That's how
Speaker 1: I thought about this. We might as well start with
Speaker 1: what was at least once America's pastime and some names
Speaker 1: everyone's going to recognize. Tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: how Babe Ruth and Willie Mays fit into this concept.
Speaker 1: When we think of Babe Ruth, when we think of
Speaker 1: Willie May's, you know, we don't think of Babe Ruth
Speaker 1: with the Boston Braves. We don't think of Willie Mays
Speaker 1: with the New York Mets, or at least I don't
Speaker 1: I think of him, you know, catching Vic Wortz's fly
Speaker 1: ball in the Polo Grounds in nineteen fifty four. But
Speaker 1: there are two examples of two all time American greats
Speaker 1: of certainly baseball greades arguably the two best players in
Speaker 1: the history of the game. Inarguably Babe Ruth is the
Speaker 1: greatest player in the history of the game. Maybe you
Speaker 1: could make a pretty strong argument for Willie May's being second.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you think about Babe Ruth, you
Speaker 1: think about the New York Yankees. The New York Yankees
Speaker 1: got a little bit tired, a little tired of Babe Ruth.
Speaker 1: He wanted to stick around to become a manager of
Speaker 1: the Yankees, and the Yankees ownership didn't want that to happen,
Speaker 1: so he went to the Boston Braves, and really he
Speaker 1: went to the Boston Braves less to be a player.
Speaker 1: He was hoping to one day become manager. And in
Speaker 1: his final season, the greatest baseball player of all time
Speaker 1: had a very meager one eighty one. He had that
Speaker 1: one final moment of glory in May of nineteen thirty five,
Speaker 1: he hit three home runs in one game, the first
Speaker 1: fair ball out of Forbes Field, or at least that's
Speaker 1: what they said. That gave him the number seven hundred
Speaker 1: and fourteen. But after that he was hitless for the
Speaker 1: rest of his career. So the Bambino, the Sultan of Swat,
Speaker 1: the Caliph of clout, you know, he went out with
Speaker 1: a whimper. And then Willie Mays. That was four years
Speaker 1: old when Willie Mays was playing baseball in nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 1: and then five in nineteen seventy three. Willie Mays is
Speaker 1: a Giant, right, He's a New York Giant. He's a
Speaker 1: San Francisco Giant, one of the best defensive and offensive
Speaker 1: players we've ever seen. And then the Giants got a
Speaker 1: little tired of him, but they wanted to give Willie
Speaker 1: one last to ross, so they sent him back to
Speaker 1: the met send him back to New York City where
Speaker 1: he had made a name for himself. Willie Mays was
Speaker 1: feted as a met There's this semi annoying habit of
Speaker 1: granting All Star berths to fading legends for sentiment's sake.
Speaker 1: It's a nice gesture, but totally unfair to more deserving players.
Speaker 1: And Willie Mays was a National League All Star in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, but he hit two eleven And there's
Speaker 1: that famous image of him on his knees in the
Speaker 1: World Series, begging the umpire for a call, and he
Speaker 1: misinterpret that image usually, But I think they're both grey
Speaker 1: examples of supreme athletes who deteriorated rapidly at the end
Speaker 1: of their career. And I think it was hard for
Speaker 1: baseball fans to see that, let's do football because you
Speaker 1: also had two football names that some of the story
Speaker 1: is similar, some of it is different, Johnny Unitas and honestly,
Speaker 1: my personal favorite, Joe Namath. You know, there were a
Speaker 1: lot of football names that I could have picked, and
Speaker 1: in retrospect, I've been thinking about this. You know, for example,
Speaker 1: there's Mike Webster of the Pittsburgh Steelers, the great center
Speaker 1: who then ended his career on the Kansas City Chiefs
Speaker 1: and had so much in this now we're getting serious here,
Speaker 1: had so much head trauma from his years playing offensive line.
Speaker 1: He suffered deep depression. He was homeless at the end
Speaker 1: of his life. I mean, so, I certainly could have
Speaker 1: talked about him. When I was talking to friends about
Speaker 1: names of football players, A lot of them said, what
Speaker 1: about Jerry Rice, to which I said, you shut your
Speaker 1: mouth right now. Jerry Y is the greatest football player
Speaker 1: of all time and my personal idol as a forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers fan, So I don't even want to go there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I went with two guys. Johnny Unitis with his
Speaker 1: militaristic crew cut and black high top shoes. You know,
Speaker 1: he was the archetype of the modern NFL quarterback. And
Speaker 1: I grew up with San Francisco forty nine Ers fan
Speaker 1: idolizing Joe Montana, and Johnny Unitis was the guy they
Speaker 1: always mentioned whenever people talked about how great Montana was. Yes,
Speaker 1: but is he as good as Unitis? Unitis was tough.
Speaker 1: He started ninety two consecutive games at one point in
Speaker 1: his career, which is remarkable when you consider as opposed
Speaker 1: to Tom Brady, he were allowed to actually touch the
Speaker 1: quarterback back in the nineteen fifties, in the sixties, in
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, and then the Colts got tired of him,
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Colts tired of him, and then he was
Speaker 1: traded to the San Diego Chargers. And it wasn't just
Speaker 1: that he played poorly. He played very poorly. You know.
Speaker 1: In his first game on the Chargers, he threw for
Speaker 1: fifty five yards with three inner options. He was sacked
Speaker 1: eight times. You know, he clearly was a shell of himself.
Speaker 1: But there's something about seeing Johnny Unitis in that powder
Speaker 1: blue and yellow of the San Diego Chargers that just
Speaker 1: did not compute. I'm not sure there's a more glaringly
Speaker 1: incongruous vision in all of sports than Johnny Unitis in
Speaker 1: that Chargers uniform. I said, maybe Willie Mayson the Mets uniform,
Speaker 1: but at least I said New York in the front sometime.
Speaker 1: So Uniteds had nothing left in the tank. He was
Speaker 1: nearly immobile. He was benched in the fourth game of
Speaker 1: the season and that was that. So this legend just
Speaker 1: once again goes out with a whimper. Okay, Matt, can
Speaker 1: you tell us about Joe Namath, who really is my
Speaker 1: all time favorite athlete? Yeah, I want to have a
Speaker 1: conversation about Namoth. I think you can make the argument, Stephen,
Speaker 1: that his first season in the NFL was one season
Speaker 1: too many for Joe Namoth for the following fact his
Speaker 1: knees were shot. His knees were already severely damaged when
Speaker 1: he entered the NFL. You know, he tore his knees
Speaker 1: up at Alabama. Emma. There's a famous story that when
Speaker 1: he was introduced to the New York Press and the
Speaker 1: New York sports writer said, you know, you've got this
Speaker 1: huge contract and suppose you don't make it. And we
Speaker 1: got a sense of Broadway Joe right then when he
Speaker 1: just smiled and looked at the reporter and said, I'll
Speaker 1: make it. You know, Joe Namoth did not lack for
Speaker 1: self confidence. But on that day, the Jets team doctor
Speaker 1: took him into a bathroom stall and asked him to
Speaker 1: pull down his pants so he could look at his knees,
Speaker 1: and the doctor later said he was shocked. He said
Speaker 1: he had the knees of a seventy year old man.
Speaker 1: He had had so little cartilage in his knees that
Speaker 1: he predicted Joe Namoth was going to last two years.
Speaker 1: Two years tops. Of course, Joe Namoth lasted more than that.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's actually his ability to play through
Speaker 1: incredible pain. That's one of the things that endeared people
Speaker 1: to him. You know, people wanted to dislike him because
Speaker 1: of his long hair and his cocky attitude and his
Speaker 1: white cleats. You can say all those things about him,
Speaker 1: but that guy played through pain. Is that how you
Speaker 1: think of Joe Namath. Well, it's funny you're asking me,
Speaker 1: because this is the one area I can actually converse
Speaker 1: with you, at least close to your level, because he
Speaker 1: was my favorite player. And I've read plenty of books
Speaker 1: about Joe Namath and followed him. And here's my take
Speaker 1: on it. The too much might have been what happened
Speaker 1: after nineteen sixty nine, Joe Namath, as you know, won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. He had perhaps the greatest moment in
Speaker 1: NFL football, and pretty much everyone remembers it. It changed
Speaker 1: things every day for the rest of his life. All
Speaker 1: anyone wanted to talk about was that day, that game
Speaker 1: he reached the highest possible level and one Special Day,
Speaker 1: January twelfth, nineteen sixty nine. Joe nameeth Boy his last season,
Speaker 1: and as Yogi Berra said, you can look it up.
Speaker 1: I looked it up that nineteen seventy seven season was
Speaker 1: miserable on the Rams in his last game. I think
Speaker 1: it's absolutely fitting Broadway, Joe ended under the bright lights
Speaker 1: of Monday night football, lost to the Chicago Bears at
Speaker 1: Soldiers Field. Here are his stats. He was sixteen of
Speaker 1: forty two hundred and three yards, no touchdowns, four interceptions.
Speaker 1: That's Joe Namoth at the end of his career. Well,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, just the thought of Joe Namath
Speaker 1: on the Rams makes me want to move on to
Speaker 1: another sport. All right, let's do it basketball. You chose
Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neill to talk about it, and you also pointed
Speaker 1: out his reason to continue playing maybe a little different.
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell us more about that, Matt Well,
Speaker 1: The choice of Shack was based on the comments that
Speaker 1: I received from people, most of them nice, but a
Speaker 1: few of them questioning my choices. And Shack is the
Speaker 1: one that a lot of people were upset with. The
Speaker 1: Thing with Shack is this, when you are that big,
Speaker 1: your growing deficiencies are that much more obvious. Look at
Speaker 1: photographs of Shiki. Look at photographs of any of us
Speaker 1: in our twenties and then later in our late late
Speaker 1: thirties or our forties, and there's a stark difference. But
Speaker 1: look at photographs of Shack when he came into the
Speaker 1: league compared to at the end of his career. I
Speaker 1: asked people mental trivia question, who did Shack end his
Speaker 1: career with? And there were so many teams. It turns
Speaker 1: out it was the Boston Celtics, And in that last
Speaker 1: year with the Celtics, he only played in thirty seven games.
Speaker 1: He didn't even average double digits. You know, a seven
Speaker 1: foot two, three hundred and thirty five player couldn't score
Speaker 1: ten points a game. At his peak, Shack may have
Speaker 1: been the most dominant physical force the game had ever seen.
Speaker 1: Will Chamberlain is the only other person we would put
Speaker 1: in that conversation, but Shack is in the conversation. I
Speaker 1: was speculating a little bit about why he stuck around.
Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neill had spending habits that were as large as
Speaker 1: he was. He spent millions of dollars in a couple
Speaker 1: of days when he became a Los Angeles Laker, buying
Speaker 1: multiple rolls, Royce's buying houses. When I think of the
Speaker 1: great centers in basketball history, I think all of them
Speaker 1: kind of went out on top, pretty close to the
Speaker 1: peak of their powers. Bill Russell leading the Celtics to
Speaker 1: their eleventh title in thirteen years. Will Chamberlain, who effect
Speaker 1: went on to be an astounding beach volleyball player in retirement.
Speaker 1: Even Kareem's last year playing for the Lakers, when he
Speaker 1: was forty one, he was durable, he was dependable. That
Speaker 1: sky hook of his just seemed to be ageless. Shack
Speaker 1: just did not live up to those lofty examples. He
Speaker 1: was big and lumbering, and honestly, I just had a
Speaker 1: hard time watching him at the end of his career.
Speaker 1: It just looked painful to be shock lumbering up and
Speaker 1: down the NBA court at that age. After the break,
Speaker 1: Mac tells the story of two picers that hung in
Speaker 1: the ring for too long and how Serena Williams broke
Speaker 1: the mold with her retirement boxing two names, Joe Lewis
Speaker 1: and Muhammad Ali. Tell us a little about them. Okay, well, Steven,
Speaker 1: this is the one where like when I was saying
Speaker 1: with Mike Webster in football, I think it gets difficult,
Speaker 1: it gets uncomfortable. I'm still drawn to the sport like
Speaker 1: a moth to a flame. I am drawn to the
Speaker 1: sport of boxing, even though I shouldn't be. And when
Speaker 1: you stick around too long in boxing, as opposed to
Speaker 1: Willie May's and Babe Ruth, you get hurt, you get damaged.
Speaker 1: So it's just different in boxing. Joe Lewis one of
Speaker 1: the most beloved athletes in twentieth century American history, probably
Speaker 1: the most beloved athlete among Africa and Americans in the
Speaker 1: twentieth century, because of the way he very silently and
Speaker 1: powerfully did battle with the racist ideas that were out there.
Speaker 1: Joe Lewis stuck around way too long. One of the
Speaker 1: reasons that he did so is that some people, the
Speaker 1: people who have looked at this closely, say he was
Speaker 1: mistreated by the irs. He had raised money during the
Speaker 1: war effort, he had donated money during World War Two
Speaker 1: to the American government, but he was still taxed on
Speaker 1: a lot of this money. His white managers took money
Speaker 1: from him, and so Joe Lewis fought way longer than
Speaker 1: he ever should have you know. He became heavyweight champion
Speaker 1: of the world in nineteen thirty seven. He lost that
Speaker 1: title in nineteen fifty thirteen years later. He never should
Speaker 1: have been fighting. Then he lost the title to Zard
Speaker 1: Charles and then still in debt, Joe Lewis kept at it.
Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty one, when he was thirty seven years old,
Speaker 1: he was destroyed in the ring by the new champion,
Speaker 1: Rocky Marciano, and Marciano openly wept after the fight. Joe
Speaker 1: Lewis had been his idol, and then it just became
Speaker 1: so sad. At the end, he couldn't justify being in
Speaker 1: the boxing ring anymore, so he turned to the theatrical
Speaker 1: sport of professional wrestling, and he was flabby and he
Speaker 1: was out of shape, but he needed the money and
Speaker 1: he got hurt wrestling. In his final match in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty six, someone jumped on him and broke three of
Speaker 1: Joe Lewis's ribs, gave him a cardiac contusion, making matters worse.
Speaker 1: The match was held in Florida in an arena that
Speaker 1: was totally segregated and did not allow black spectators, so
Speaker 1: it was a really a very very sad end for
Speaker 1: Joe Lewis, and then Ali fought way too long. Ali
Speaker 1: should have retired in nineteen seventy seven when he lost
Speaker 1: and then re won the heavyweight championship to Leon Spinks.
Speaker 1: One of the few Ali fights I remember was watching
Speaker 1: him against Larry Holmes and by the end of the bout,
Speaker 1: Muhammad aliud and lift his hands up above his waist.
Speaker 1: He was so tired in the end because well, because
Speaker 1: he needed the money, or is it because he just
Speaker 1: loved the limelight. Is it because he feel like he
Speaker 1: was owed the four years that he lost when his
Speaker 1: boxing title was stripped for refusing induction to the Armed
Speaker 1: Services in the mid nineteen sixties. I'm not really sure,
Speaker 1: but he fought sixty one times, He endured thousands of
Speaker 1: blows to the head at the end of his career,
Speaker 1: and then we saw how it ended. In nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 1: he was diagnosed with Parkinson's syndrome. The disease stripped Ally
Speaker 1: of his ability to speak and be heard. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure there's a sadder. Well, it was both kind of
Speaker 1: sad and uplifting when he lit that torch at the
Speaker 1: Summer Olympics in nineteen ninety six, but seeing the incredibly
Speaker 1: articulate athlete that he once was being more or less
Speaker 1: silenced at the end of his life from all of
Speaker 1: the damage he received in the ring. Those are the
Speaker 1: two that really stood out to me. Many say you
Speaker 1: are the foremost sports professor in the United States, So
Speaker 1: I'm going to make a guess. You know, there's another
Speaker 1: sport called hockey, So throw them a bone. Would you
Speaker 1: sure absolutely give us at least a minute on a
Speaker 1: hockey player? A few names come to mind. Eric Lindross
Speaker 1: stuck around too long because of all the damage he
Speaker 1: was doing to his head multiple concussions. For the once
Speaker 1: great Eric Lindross, market Ann Brodure. He's on the shortlist
Speaker 1: of greatest goal He's ever along with Patrick Waugh and
Speaker 1: Jacques plant Broder. He ended his beautiful career by appearing
Speaker 1: in just seven games for the Saint Louis Blues and
Speaker 1: he was terrible. He was awful, and he retired mid season.
Speaker 1: So just if he just could have ended as a
Speaker 1: New Jersey devil, I don't think he would be on
Speaker 1: this list. And then how about this guy Chris Chelios.
Speaker 1: Chris Chelios, who had a remarkable career, certainly with the
Speaker 1: Detroit Red Wings. Chris Chelios, who's obviously a sports junkie.
Speaker 1: You know, he tried to make the US bob sled
Speaker 1: team for the Winter Olympics one year. Chris Chelios was
Speaker 1: playing minor league hockey at one point in his late forties.
Speaker 1: He seems so addicted to the sport. But go google
Speaker 1: Chris Chelios Atlanta Thrashers. The image of Chelios in that
Speaker 1: Thrashers blue. He played seven games for them at age
Speaker 1: forty eight. Some people say it was a publicity stunt
Speaker 1: for the Thrashers, trying to bring people into the stance.
Speaker 1: If it was a publicity stunt, it was a bad
Speaker 1: one and it was a blight on an otherwise sterling career.
Speaker 1: I would argue, there we go, how about those names?
Speaker 1: That was pretty good. You do know about hockey, so
Speaker 1: I'm going to push you a little more. A few
Speaker 1: people asked about golf, but then it occurred to me,
Speaker 1: see what you think of this. Golf's a little different
Speaker 1: because players go to a certain age. Obvious, they lose
Speaker 1: some of their skills at that age, but then there's
Speaker 1: another league for them. They can keep playing against people
Speaker 1: their own age, not against twenty five year olds. That's
Speaker 1: a phenomenon doesn't exist in any other major sports, so
Speaker 1: it so to changes the equation of playing too long.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, there may be players who lost
Speaker 1: their skills regardless of age and shouldn't have kept teeing
Speaker 1: it up. Any thoughts on that, Well, my first thought
Speaker 1: is you're right. Golf is different. Golf is not boxing,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. So I actually don't have any problem
Speaker 1: with golfers sticking around as long as they can. I
Speaker 1: remember when Jack Nicholas won the Masters in nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 1: Steve and he was forty six years old, and it
Speaker 1: was just such a great moment, and they went bonkers
Speaker 1: for him at Augusta and forty six seems quite plausible now,
Speaker 1: but back then, in nineteen eighty six, that was shocking.
Speaker 1: There were people who were telling Jack Nicholas he was
Speaker 1: playing one season too many, that he was sticking around
Speaker 1: too long, and we would have been denied that amazing
Speaker 1: moment of him winning. People say Arnold Palmer stuck around
Speaker 1: too long, But boy, my grandparents, who were card caring
Speaker 1: members of Arnie's army, they didn't think he stuck around
Speaker 1: too long. They went down and watched him play at
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach every year. They wanted to see him keep
Speaker 1: on going, and of course Arnold Palmer was able to
Speaker 1: monetize that longevity. So yeah, I think golf is different.
Speaker 1: You don't get hurt playing golf, So I personally have
Speaker 1: a hard time thinking any of these guys stuck around
Speaker 1: too long. One more question, then we're going to close
Speaker 1: with a sport. I know you're interested in tennis. And
Speaker 1: Serena Williams her retirement very interesting situation. In your talk,
Speaker 1: you said she literally rewrote the retirement script, which is
Speaker 1: an interesting phrase. What did you mean by that? Well,
Speaker 1: as opposed to Johnny Unitis and Joe Namath and Willie
Speaker 1: May's and Babe Ruth, you know, athletes who weren't able
Speaker 1: to monetize themselves in the way that I think in
Speaker 1: our modern day we feel like they should have been
Speaker 1: able to. You know, Serena's different, So Babe Ruth and
Speaker 1: Willie May's they were all subject to the reserve rule
Speaker 1: and they could never become free agents and go on
Speaker 1: the open market athletes, even great ones like Unitis. And
Speaker 1: while Namith was starting to change the script and tap
Speaker 1: into this idea, that athletes could be corporate spokespeople, and
Speaker 1: certainly Babe Ruth did this too, but none of these
Speaker 1: people made hundreds of millions of dollars like Serena has.
Speaker 1: Serena has maximized her name, image and likeness as we
Speaker 1: as we call it now when we talk about about
Speaker 1: college athletes, and so she was able to walk away
Speaker 1: on her terms. You know, she made the announcement in
Speaker 1: a Vogue magazine cover story are complete with these super
Speaker 1: glamorous photos of her on the beach, some of them
Speaker 1: with her daughter, Olympia. I was disappointed when she retired.
Speaker 1: I wanted her to stick it out and get to
Speaker 1: Margaret Court's record. I think it's very possible she would
Speaker 1: have done that, but I guess she felt. Look, she
Speaker 1: is undeniably the greatest women's tennis player of all times.
Speaker 1: She's playing in a much different era than Margaret Court.
Speaker 1: Even though Margaret Court has one more Grand Slam title
Speaker 1: than Serena. Serena is the best women's tennis player certainly.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the word she used, Stephen was I'm evolving
Speaker 1: out of tennis. You know, she's got that brand. Serena
Speaker 1: is gonna be okay. Serena's going to be around. Serena
Speaker 1: is not going to fade away like Johnny. You did
Speaker 1: you know after his days with the San Diego Chargers.
Speaker 1: We're going to see a lot of Serena moving forward,
Speaker 1: a lot of Roger federerre moving forward. I hate to
Speaker 1: break it to you, Steven, We're gonna see a lot
Speaker 1: of Tom Brady moving forward. You're gonna have a hard
Speaker 1: time watching football without having Tom Brady telling you what's
Speaker 1: going on on the field. Although I just checked he's
Speaker 1: still retired. Matt, thank you so much for doing this.
Speaker 1: I love talking sports with you. Thanks again for doing this.
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