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Speaker 3: I think you do the same thing. We were talking.

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Speaker 1: We both kind of tune out, unplug hang out with family.

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Speaker 1: But you are seeing now a lot more videos come

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Speaker 1: up with camp and the story. At this time of

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Speaker 1: the year, every August is young quarterbacks, So I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about young quarterbacks and the videos that are

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Speaker 1: out there. So we're going to start with that jmack

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Speaker 1: one hour from now. Colin right, Colin wrong. Listen. All

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Speaker 1: these videos matter. All of them matter, good, bad, and

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Speaker 1: the ugly. Caleb Williams had the most notable. He's thrown

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Speaker 1: at a net. He goes oh for three and the

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Speaker 1: this matters because they deleted it after a while because

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Speaker 1: it was getting so much play. There's also a story

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Speaker 1: out there where JJ McCarthy's throwing red zone picks en

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Speaker 1: quote he's working on his touch because everything's a fastball,

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Speaker 1: which you'd hope guys get figured out, you know, at college.

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Speaker 1: So when a quarterback is unproven, like Caleb Williams or

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Speaker 1: like JJ McCarthy, camp matters more, not just for the player,

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Speaker 1: for the staff. When you haven't shown your competency, when

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Speaker 1: you could see on that net video that was in

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Speaker 1: Caleb's head and the coaching staff. There's a story that

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is struggling in the red zone with picks. Well,

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell is watching that and thinking to himself, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Can I call stuff during games on the road. He

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Speaker 1: I mean the advantage to having a Josh Allen or

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Speaker 1: this weekend where Joe Burrow actually saw the video of this,

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Speaker 1: So they got Noahfan a tight end from Denver. They

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. All this stuff matters.

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Speaker 1: What's a little nugget in one camp can be a

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, last year in camp, the effusive praise for Jaden Daniels.

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Speaker 1: It does matter because the expectations with the first round

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Speaker 4: every single detailer we have. And I think that's where

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Speaker 4: Here's I retained all the information, all of it makes

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I also want to talk about we're going

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Speaker 1: everything something nothing's everything. They were sloppy five turnovers yet

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Speaker 1: told buddies this for years. John Stewart, David Letterman and

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Speaker 1: That's the same way I look at scheme coaches, Andy Reid,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all grade the tape. Let's start with a D

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Speaker 1: that looked out of sorts, discombobulated. So all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. I don't think he's guaranteed. I there's some

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Speaker 1: But Caleb comes with some questions and they haven't been

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Speaker 1: net video is something his reaction that was a anytime

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Speaker 1: I hope you had a great vacation, Colin Wright, Colin

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back, Colin Wright. Colin wrong top of

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Speaker 1: So not all contract holdout to the same, and the

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Speaker 1: I get that with Terry McLaurin of Washington. I'm on

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys are a mile from the Philadelphia Eagles roster composition.

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Speaker 1: Gotten a couple of second round picks, maybe a first

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Speaker 1: So Micah Parsons was a first round pick and a

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Speaker 1: Not denying that, but I think left tackle is harder

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Speaker 1: Go look at the Niners in Kyle Shanahan when Trent

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Speaker 3: In the NFL.

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Speaker 1: The college gives you sixty year guys that can play,

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Speaker 1: him the fifth highest edge rusher cap pit. That's a

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Speaker 1: total approch, totally appropriate contract, totally appropriate. That's not Terry McLaurin.

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Speaker 3: This kid's great.

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Speaker 1: He's done well for himself. He made a lot of

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Speaker 5: I think the world of my company. Uh and uh,

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Speaker 1: All right, so that Jerry's probably gonna pay him, and

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Speaker 9: Well, my Dallas Blue here on a Monday. Colin, let's

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Speaker 1: I don't I've heard this three years in a row.

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Speaker 1: And here's here's the truth about Stafford. When quarterbacks get

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Speaker 1: to a certain I think you'd agree with this, they

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Speaker 1: don't want to get hit. Like Eli Manning, I'm gonna go,

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Speaker 1: I'm throwing it away, Aaron Rodgers, you don't want to

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Speaker 1: get hit anymore. Stafford is the last old quarterback that

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Speaker 1: sits in the pocket that extra half second and gets drilled.

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Speaker 1: He has been a guy that's taken a lot of shots,

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Speaker 1: and so he's banged up. His od dometer isn't the

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Speaker 1: same as the old Tom Brady. Tom Brady had Dante's

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Speaker 1: garnekiyet Tom Brady had much better protection. Tom Brady had

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Speaker 1: much better coaching. Tom Brady at forty five was probably

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Speaker 1: in better shape than Matt Stafford is at thirty six,

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Speaker 1: thirty seven years old. So he played behind a lot

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Speaker 1: of bad old lines. He's always been a guy that

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Speaker 1: just sits in that pocket. You and I've discussed this.

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Speaker 1: He will sit there to the last second, which a

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Speaker 1: lot of young quarterbacks do. Quarterbacks get to be thirty three,

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Speaker 1: they got no interest. They're gonna throw that ball away.

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Speaker 1: Matt doesn't. And so I think this is the reality.

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Speaker 1: Now the Rams have two first round picks. I have

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Speaker 1: it on pretty good intel they did that. Whether they

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Speaker 1: play him or not. They want to go big game

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Speaker 1: hunting on quarterbacks this year. Two years ago they identified

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Speaker 1: this quarterback class in LA as the class that was.

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Speaker 1: They didn't like this class this past year at all.

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Speaker 1: So they're gonna go draft a quarterback even if he

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Speaker 1: doesn't play for a year. But I think you just

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Speaker 1: have to be honest about who Matt Stafford is. He

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Speaker 1: has taken more shots in that pocket as an older

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Speaker 1: quarterback than almost all old quarterbacks are willing to do.

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Speaker 3: So he cowboys up man. He just sits there and

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Speaker 3: takes it.

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Speaker 9: Also hasn't taken a shot in seven months, and his

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Speaker 9: back is not good enough to go.

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Speaker 3: Colin.

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Speaker 9: They also added DeVante Adams probably would be great if

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Speaker 9: they could get some chemistry here, and it doesn't seem

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Speaker 9: like they're gonna have any at all heading into the season.

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Speaker 9: That could put them behind the eight ball and the division.

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Speaker 3: Remember the Houston in Week one and then the.

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Speaker 9: Eagles in Week three, Colin, If you fall two games

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Speaker 9: behind the Niners before Halloween, it's over. That Niner schedule

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Speaker 9: is cake. The Rams, you can't say the same. Look

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Speaker 9: at the back.

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Speaker 2: They gotta go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they gotta.

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Speaker 9: Face Detroit there late in the season. That Arizona team

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Speaker 9: is dangerous. I don't know, Trevor Lawrence A Lotos.

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Speaker 1: I see cam Ward and Anthony Richardson in the first month.

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Speaker 1: If they can win their home game against Houston, it's

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Speaker 1: a three to one start, facing a team the Niners

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Speaker 1: at home that they've been really good against the last

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Speaker 1: two years, They're fine. Listen.

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Speaker 3: They also get a Jags.

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Speaker 1: Game, and a Saints game, and a Falcons a game

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Speaker 1: they got the NFC South those Raps four wins for that.

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Speaker 9: Team in case you're wondering, Jimmy Garoppolo, who we are

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Speaker 9: familiar with, obviously is the backup. I know you're a

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Speaker 9: big fantasy football guy. Would you even draft Stafford given

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Speaker 9: the age, the back, I mean, the weapons are there.

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Speaker 9: He could have a monster year. Maybe this is just Hey,

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Speaker 9: I'm old, I don't want to play in the preseason.

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Speaker 3: This is an interesting one.

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Speaker 9: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Colin.

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Speaker 9: Let's move to the Denver Broncos, a team you love.

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Speaker 9: So we're gonna talk about him a lot this year.

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Speaker 9: Bo Nick's obviously looking to make a next step following

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Speaker 9: his great rookie season. Sean Payton, speaking to reporters last week,

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Speaker 9: said that the short term goal is winning the division.

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Speaker 9: This team is capable of winning the Super Bowl. I'm

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Speaker 9: seeing here the odds or plus twenty eight hundred for Denver,

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Speaker 9: which is right down there with the Bucks, Vikings Chargers. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think for all the doubters of Sean Payton, I

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Speaker 1: didn't think they'd be this good this fast. I thought

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Speaker 1: that Russell Wilson dead cap money. I thought that was

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Speaker 1: just a non starter.

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Speaker 3: They were going to be.

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Speaker 1: This roster got good, you know, And the truth was,

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Speaker 1: the roster was probably a little better. Like we talked

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Speaker 1: about Courtland Sutton. Courtland Sutton's really good. He doesn't get

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Speaker 1: a lot of publicity. Courtland, I mean they had some

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Speaker 1: players here. When Sean got here, he did clean. The

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Speaker 1: offense should line up. But I don't know when when

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Speaker 1: I watch Denver play Kansas City, when I watch him

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Speaker 1: play the Chargers in Division, I don't see a team

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Speaker 1: that lacks talent. I just think they're a team that

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Speaker 1: lacks experience at quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I may they may be we may.

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Speaker 1: Be sleeping on them a little bit because I think

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Speaker 1: in our minds we're like, yeah, that this rebuild post

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. I think the roster is better than people think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I think a lot of folks are looking at the

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Speaker 9: bow nixt season and saying, oh, he's really good.

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Speaker 3: He's ready to make the next step. A bit of

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Speaker 3: a checkdown, Charlie.

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Speaker 9: Last year, Payton played the game, Hey, let's not miss

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Speaker 9: make mistakes. If we don't turn the ball over, we

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Speaker 9: can ride this defense and win a bunch of sixteen

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Speaker 9: to thirteen type games. I don't know that that's gonna

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Speaker 9: work this year, given everybody's got the book on Bownicks.

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Speaker 3: They've seen him.

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Speaker 9: But what's your theory when when a pitcher goes through

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Speaker 9: the order twice the third time around, Hey.

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Speaker 4: That's tough.

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Speaker 9: I just wonder is there a little pumpkin action here

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Speaker 9: from bo Knicks this year? Given everybody's very familiar. Hey,

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Speaker 9: this guy can scoot, but he doesn't want to throw

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Speaker 9: the ball deep down the field.

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Speaker 1: No, I think there is something to be said. The

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Speaker 1: second time around, coordinators go to Lo Spags gets now

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Speaker 1: a third and a fourth Look at you.

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Speaker 3: I think that's true, but I will I will offer this.

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Speaker 1: Never forget how good Hufunga is at safety, who they

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Speaker 1: got from the Niner. Niners did not want to give

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Speaker 1: him up. Don't forget how good green Law is. Those

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Speaker 1: are Pro Bowl level players coming off injuries. Who Funga is,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, when healthy is a top three safety

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Speaker 1: in the league. He's a great He is the last

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Speaker 1: great football player USC had in the last five years.

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Speaker 3: Caleb Williams got the hype. Who Funga was the.

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Speaker 1: Best football player when healthy that program has had since

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Speaker 1: he came into the league.

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Speaker 3: So he is.

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Speaker 1: He is a huge talent. People forgot about it. He

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Speaker 1: was a pro bowler when he he is healthy, he

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Speaker 1: is a home I'm not saying he's ed reader Ronnie Lott,

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Speaker 1: but he is a great elite player in the back end.

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Speaker 9: All right, we'll wrap up with the Minnesota Vikings and

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Speaker 9: JJ McCarthy Colin. Remember he didn't play at all last

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Speaker 9: year following the season ending injury. In preseason. He's been

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Speaker 9: up and down in camp so far. According to reports.

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Speaker 9: The problem is he's working on his touch because almost

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Speaker 9: all of his throws, according to.

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Speaker 3: This report, have been fastballs.

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Speaker 9: Loves a good you know who I heard this about

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Speaker 9: Colin early in their career.

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen.

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Speaker 9: Remember he didn't have touch at all, couldn't hit anything

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Speaker 9: in the flat, couldn't throw I mean he just boom

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Speaker 9: throwing all darts. And I'm hearing the same thing about McCarthy.

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Speaker 9: I don't read too much into this, but I know

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Speaker 9: you are a little skittish now on McCarthy, whereas we were

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Speaker 9: a little more.

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Speaker 1: Tink It's fair to say Josh Allen did not have

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Speaker 1: the college coaching JJ McCarthy did. JJ McCarthy had Jim Harball. Yep,

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Speaker 1: I mean, God, Jim Harball made Trey Lamplick pretty good

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Speaker 1: in that Hall of Fame game. So it's like Jim

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh is a very good quarterback coach.

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Speaker 3: It seems to me.

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen his dad had to send tapes out so

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Speaker 1: we could go to junior college get attracted. So Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen was such a raw project. I mean, everybody, it

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Speaker 1: was so funny. I was looking at Josh Allen video.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know where it was at. It may

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Speaker 1: have been at the other place they were showing video

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Speaker 1: his last year at Wyoming. I saw him play Iowa

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Speaker 1: Oregon in college. He made a lot of mistakes, but

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen was such a freak. He's made running left,

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Speaker 1: throwing at fifty yards across his body. But he was

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Speaker 1: a mouldable, unbelievable piece of clay. I would argue, Jane J.

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Speaker 1: McCarthy got three years of great coaching from Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: You're looking at what he is. It's a much closer

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Speaker 1: version of what he can do.

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: Mel Kiper said he's a top I mean I remember

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Speaker 1: seeing this that mel said he is a top ten

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Speaker 1: all time cross quarterback, and he's lived up to that.

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Speaker 1: Like JJ McCarthy, I think certain guys come out of

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Speaker 1: college Michael Pennix. Is this because Michael Penick's got great

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Speaker 1: college coaching with Kaylin de boor what you saw with

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Speaker 1: Michael Penix in college is very close to what he's

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Speaker 1: going to be. Like you've seen the way he throws

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Speaker 1: the ball, he sits the pocket. JJ McCarthy, I know

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Speaker 1: what he is. I watched him with Harball. Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: was you didn't know. Same with Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 3: It's like he's running around. You didn't know what he was.

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Speaker 1: Now Lamar has become unbelievable. So I this idea that

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Speaker 1: JJ is going to go two or three levels up

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Speaker 1: on what he's been. I think, and I feel to

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Speaker 1: some degree, you're right. Bo Nicks had so many college

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Speaker 1: starts sixty one that Sean Payton's like, I know what

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Speaker 1: I'm getting. I'm gonna make him better, but I kind

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Speaker 1: of know what I'm getting. And bo Nix has looked

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Speaker 1: like you look in college athletic coachable moves.

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Speaker 3: Pff.

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Speaker 1: By the way, as the Broncos roster at nine, which

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Speaker 1: is reasonable.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: So I tend to think the noisier you are in

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Speaker 1: the off season, it can be detrimental in the regular season.

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Speaker 3: So much of the.

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Speaker 1: NFL is kind of covert we're on the same page

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Speaker 1: Kansas City had some off the field nonsense. They've had

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Speaker 1: organization they can overcome it. But Miami the Dolphins are

649
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Speaker 1: not a well run organization. And Tyreek Hill and Mike McDaniel,

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Speaker 1: it's just interesting to me who the media cover Covet's

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Speaker 1: favor to, Like, there are times that the media just decides,

652
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Speaker 1: we like that guy and we're going to defend that guy.

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Speaker 1: And I've argued that Mike McDaniel and Miami looks like

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Speaker 1: a sports writer. He's kind of snarky and quirky and

655
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Speaker 1: kind of and like they just decided we like that guy.

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Speaker 3: And Nick Sirianni's kind of obnoxious.

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Speaker 1: He had a bad opening press conference, and I admit

658
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Speaker 1: I was like, this guy looks like he's over his skis.

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Speaker 1: But I've come full circle on Sirianni.

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Speaker 3: It works.

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Speaker 1: Players like him. Matt Hasselbey yells at me, he's good.

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Speaker 1: McDaniel's been a funny guy because Miami is noisy. The

663
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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill situation is anybody like do you think Belichick

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Speaker 1: would put up with that Belichick would have moved off

665
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Speaker 1: that guy. I mean, Annie Reid did move off that guy.

666
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Speaker 1: And yet Mike McDaniel, and this was always my thing.

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Speaker 1: Is he a culture builder? Yeah, he's smart. A lot

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Speaker 1: of smart people aren't great football coaches. So I feel

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Speaker 1: the Tyreek Hill situation a couple of days ago, it's like, hey,

670
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Speaker 1: you got to show up, you got to show up

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Speaker 1: every day, be on time.

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Speaker 3: And then he wasn't on time. And he's never really punished.

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Speaker 1: And I just think the best coaches in this league

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Speaker 1: set a certain standard. But nobody calls Mike McDaniel out.

675
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Speaker 1: It's that he's got this incredible football actumen.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: The two years before he got there, and the media

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Speaker 1: did not like Brian Flores because Brian Flores is disagreeable, disagreeable,

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Speaker 1: he's rough, he's lousy at a press conference. He's an

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Speaker 1: unbelievable coach. I think he's the best defensive coordinator in

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Speaker 1: the league. Brian floor is of Minnesota. In fact, I

682
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Speaker 1: was reading the other day the Athletic ranked all the

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Speaker 1: coaching staffs in the NFL. They put in Minnesota number one.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I think San Francisco is up there.

685
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Speaker 1: The rams are up there. But it's like I didn't

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Speaker 1: disagree with that. Like Flores is unbelievable, but he's not

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Speaker 1: somebody that's going to curry favor with the people who

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Speaker 1: cover him. He's rough on people, he's rough on players. McDaniel,

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Speaker 1: I think Flores is a better coach than Mike McDaniel. Okay,

690
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Speaker 1: eight games into his Miami stay, Brian Flohs had established

691
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: elite special teams and elite defense. I'm what are my

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Speaker 1: three four years into Mike McDaniel, what are they? I

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Speaker 1: looked it up this morning. The two years before he

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Speaker 1: got there, Miami was ten and six and nine and eight.

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Speaker 1: The last three years with Mike McDaniel, they're twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: twenty three. They have a lower win percentage.

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Speaker 3: I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: But he's gotten such favorable press. There have been fourteen

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Speaker 1: different head coaches that have made the playoffs since he

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Speaker 1: arrived in Miami.

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Speaker 3: He's not one of them. And so I always feel.

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Speaker 1: This with Miami, so much of it is image instead

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Speaker 1: of actual structure.

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Speaker 3: What are the Dolphins? Do you like their line play?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 1: They got rid of Wilkins, and I don't like their

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Speaker 1: offensive line do you like their drafting. It's very hit

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Speaker 1: and miss. They've overpaid for wide receivers. And I've been

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Speaker 1: saying this for years. They're the speedboat of the NFL.

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00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: They're the convertible of the NFL. Speedboats and convertibles are

711
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: not built to be driving around, even in Miami in January,

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Speaker 1: and that's when it matters in the NFL if you

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Speaker 1: start looking at the AFC. In my lifetime, it's been

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Speaker 1: controlled mostly by the Pittsburgh Steelers in bad weather, or Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: New England, Kansas City. Now Buffalo's great again. Baltimore is

716
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Speaker 1: great again? Can you play outside inclement weather? So Miami

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00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: is flash and fun and it looks like Gucci, but

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Speaker 1: closer inspection, it's sus And that's what I think Miami is.

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Speaker 3: I would move off Tyreek.

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Speaker 1: I think if they struggled this year, and I think

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Speaker 1: they will, what do you do with Mike McDaniel. I

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Speaker 1: just I've been sold on how smart and revolutionary this

723
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Speaker 1: offense is. They're twenty eight and twenty three, and that

724
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Speaker 1: should be the last couple of years. Two automatics over

725
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Speaker 1: the awful Patriots and two automatics over the awful Jets.

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Speaker 1: I mean, say what you want about Mike Tomlin when

727
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Speaker 1: he had Big Ben in his prime US two and

728
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Speaker 1: oh against the Bengals and oh against the Browns. He

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Speaker 1: may split with the Ravens, but he was beating the

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Speaker 1: teams he should beat. So Miami's not even beating the

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Speaker 1: teams they should beat. So I I here, here's Tyreek

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Speaker 1: hill On on missing some a stretching session with the team.

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Speaker 10: I think whenever i'm I'm whenever guys you know are

734
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Speaker 10: able to see me come out here scratch with him.

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Speaker 10: You know, it's just keeps the engine rolling, you know

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Speaker 10: what I'm saying, with the whole team. So it is important.

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Speaker 10: The one day I did miss though, I was just

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Speaker 10: dropping the kids off to the pool. So I mean,

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Speaker 10: besides that, I'm out here every day though.

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Speaker 3: All right, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: But I guess my point being is the media often

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Speaker 1: decides we like this candidate politically, well, why we we

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Speaker 1: like this candidate, we like this coach, we like why

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Speaker 1: and people people have made decisions. I was supposed to

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Speaker 1: not like you know, Brian flore I was supposed do

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Speaker 1: not like that guy. I know he's rough. That dude

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Speaker 1: can coach. That guy can coach. Remember that when he

748
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: got to Miami, they were using Ryan Fitzpatrick and beating people.

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Speaker 1: They got blown out by fifty by the Ravens early.

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Speaker 1: They were bad, and then like week eight nine, you're like, whoa.

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Speaker 1: They may have had the best special teams in the league.

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Speaker 1: The defense was unbelievable. I got three years now with

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what Miami is.

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Speaker 1: They run a lot of sets, they got a lot

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Speaker 1: of motion, and don't tell me. Well, the quarterback Tua

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Speaker 1: is upper half. He's fifteen or up. He's somewhere in there.

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Speaker 1: He maybe fifteen, but he's fifteenth or up. He's a

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Speaker 1: very effective, accurate quarterback. He's an adult. He shows up.

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Speaker 1: He's a good teammate, he's a good kid. Last year

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Speaker 1: he was healthier. So you can't blame the quarterback. It's

762
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Speaker 1: like Cincinnati's owners saying, we do everything right here. You

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Speaker 1: can't have Joe Burrow and not make the playoffs. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you're in a division in the last three years

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Speaker 1: with rebuilding Jets and rebuilding Patriots, in your five games

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Speaker 1: above five hundred.

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Speaker 3: What are you? I don't know the answer. I'd even

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Speaker 3: take a bad answer. What are they.

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Speaker 1: I'd move off Tyreek Hill once again, he's late. There's

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Speaker 1: no punishment. Blah blah blah. All right, you know something,

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Speaker 1: j Mac. I tried not to mention the Jets, but

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Speaker 1: it's very interesting. There's an interesting story in The Athletic

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Speaker 1: by Mike de Fabo about what is happened.

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Speaker 3: We had him on the show a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: He's really good about what he has seen so far

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Speaker 1: with the Steelers, and I swear to god, you could

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Speaker 1: have written this one year ago about the Jets, the

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Speaker 1: four things that happened in New York. The difference is

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Speaker 1: we look at the Jets as a tire fire and

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00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: we look at the Steelers as well run. But the

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Speaker 1: four issues they're having in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: So far, this is safe far they had in the Jets.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that cause.

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Speaker 1: Colin right, Colin wrong, Hour two in a Monday Fix