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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Overdose or was it? I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us here at flox Nation and Serious XM one eleven.

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Speaker 1: When police rushed to the scene of a death, they

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Speaker 1: find an alarming, alarming layout in the home. Was it intentional?

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. First responders rushed to the

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Speaker 1: thirteen thousand block of Godwitz Street in Clarksburg after reports

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Speaker 1: of an overdose. It's the home of oral surgeon doctor

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Speaker 1: James Michael Ryan. Inside, paramedics find Sarah Harris, Ryan's girlfriend, unresponsive.

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Speaker 1: Ryan says Harris was okay when he went to bed

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Speaker 1: pronounced dead. Okay, I've got so many questions right there,

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Speaker 1: based on everything I'm hearing about the oral surgeon, doctor

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Speaker 1: William Maroney, chief Medical EXAMRA joining us out of Bay County, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: author of American Narken. You can find it at Recovery

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Speaker 1: Pathways LLC dot com. And Maroney puts his money as

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Speaker 1: timeless effort where his mouth is. He actually created and

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Speaker 1: travels with a rolling medical lab to help stop overdoses.

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Speaker 1: That's why he is so important. Not that the rest

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Speaker 1: of our guests are not important. But let me just

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Speaker 1: ask you this very basic question, doctor Moroney, before I

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Speaker 1: get into the whole overdose issue. An oral surgeon does

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Speaker 1: that mean a DIN test with another degree? Is what? Once?

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Speaker 1: An oral surgeon is not a medical doctor. An oral

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Speaker 1: surgeon begins as a dentist and then gets training to

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Speaker 1: put people under anesthesia to a room really difficult teeth. Ordinarily,

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Speaker 1: what he was doing all those medicines he has. Did

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Speaker 1: you say people get propofal at the dentist office. I've

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Speaker 1: You mean an oral surgeon or just a dentist. Never never,

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Speaker 1: a regular dentist would never get of you propofol because

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Speaker 1: the law requires you monitor oxygen and ekg. The regular

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Speaker 1: dentist doesn't do that. He just numbs up your guns,

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Speaker 1: Ken Bell. Can can you just take off your criminal

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Speaker 1: we have to give some latitude to the judgment of

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Speaker 1: medical professionals. You know, they did swear the hippocratic. You

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Speaker 1: know what, Now I know why you're such a great

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Speaker 1: young woman. Twenty five year old Sarah Harris is dead.

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Speaker 1: Siege on Democracy. Lindsay thanks for being with us. Let

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Speaker 1: almost there's absolutely no indication to have IV ketamine in

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Speaker 1: jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Doctor William Moroney,

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Speaker 1: Crispin Special Investigations. You can find him at Crispin Investigations

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Speaker 1: They show up a doctor, he's a doctor of oral,

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Speaker 1: Ryan also instructing her on how to take them. The

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Speaker 1: message is also revealed Ryan gave Harris kettle mine while

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Speaker 1: she was asleep and Harris overdosed once before she died

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Speaker 1: in late January. So there, you haven't in his own

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Speaker 1: text messages. Am I correct, Lindsey, wats if I'm not

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Speaker 1: tell me? We learn that he gave her ketamine hospital

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Speaker 1: anaesthesia in her sleep. She had no way to say

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Speaker 1: yay or nay. That is what police are saying, and yes,

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Speaker 1: that is what the text messages in charging documents indicate.

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Speaker 1: It says, if you wake up, I just went out

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Speaker 1: to change after I gave you ketamine just now. And

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Speaker 1: so this might not have been as clear as police

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Speaker 1: didn't state this in the press conference, that this is

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Speaker 1: something that happened. I don't know what you're saying. It

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Speaker 1: looks like something that happened or didn't happen. The text

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Speaker 1: messages revealed he gave her sleep, yes exactly, but I

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Speaker 1: just reading this myself. Reading this text message, it says

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Speaker 1: I went out to change after I gave you ketamine

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Speaker 1: just now, So it's not spelling it out as specifically. However,

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Speaker 1: police told us that this is something that happened, that

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Speaker 1: he gave her ketamine while she was sleeping. So Ken Belkin,

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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, joining us if he gave her a

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Speaker 1: ketamine in her sleep, it's just like Conrad Murray and

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00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, who doped Michael Jackson until he died and left.

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Speaker 1: I mean here, he gave her ketamine, which is I

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Speaker 1: believe intravenous, and left her with kennemine dripping through her system,

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Speaker 1: just like in Michael Jackson, with profitfal belkin impaired memory

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Speaker 1: and forgetfulness. Why would you give that to somebody in

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Speaker 1: their sleep? There goes my best law student, doctor William Moroney,

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Speaker 1: medical doctor William Moroney, bell Ken he's giving her in

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Speaker 1: her sleep. Look, first of all, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: if there is a procedure for giving ketamine to someone

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Speaker 1: when they're in their sleep. I know that people are

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Speaker 1: on ketamine therapy and sometimes they may be sleeping. You

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Speaker 1: can what are you talking about? Well, if her doctor's

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Speaker 1: giving it to her, Okay, now, Moroni, clearly I'm not

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Speaker 1: getting through. Giving industrial ivy anesthesia to a woman at

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Speaker 1: home that you live with is not therapy. That's abuse.

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Speaker 1: She has no insight to stop. And if he's using

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Speaker 1: these drugs, he has no insight to stop because he

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Speaker 1: is also hijacked. But there's nothing that's ever gonna come

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Speaker 1: good from a fifty year old anesthesia oral surgeon dating

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Speaker 1: a twenty year old woman and then doing drugs together.

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Speaker 1: Hey hey, hey, hi, hi, hi hey. I'm asking you

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Speaker 1: for a medical opinion, not your moral judgment. You and

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Speaker 1: I'm agree that what is this fifty year old man

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Speaker 1: doing with a twenty five year old moment that's none

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Speaker 1: of our business. I'm a little more focused on the burner.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut one WDVM. Right here

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Speaker 1: at his own practice is where doctor James Ryan was

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Speaker 1: taken into custody. The oral surgeon is now facing seventy

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Speaker 1: eight years behind bars. Police say that the forty nine

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Speaker 1: year old Dennis was providing twenty five year old Sarah

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Speaker 1: Harris with drugs. Police also tell me that Harris was

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Speaker 1: not only a former patient, but the two were also

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Speaker 1: any relationship. Police at Harris visited Ryan in the fall

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty for a medical procedure, and he then

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Speaker 1: offered her a job as a surgical technician. Investigators say

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Speaker 1: they then began dating early twenty twenty one, and the

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Speaker 1: two moved in together, and that's when police say Harris's

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Speaker 1: family members noticed a decline in her health. Her mom

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Speaker 1: even noticed track marks on her arm. So Robert Crispin,

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Speaker 1: private investigator at Crispin's special investigations. How do we go

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Speaker 1: about proving a case like this? I find it really

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Speaker 1: difficult to believe that all on her own she could

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Speaker 1: set up an ivy drip of a kadamine to the

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Speaker 1: point she odd. You know, Nancy, you know how many

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Speaker 1: families out there wish they had this type of evidence

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Speaker 1: when they walk in and find one of their loved

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Speaker 1: ones dead from an overdose. They just wish they could

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Speaker 1: figure out who gave it to him. This case right

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00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: here rises and falls on the doctor himself. His own

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Speaker 1: text messages are the epic evidence that are going to

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Speaker 1: sink him. And even more so is the initial responding

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Speaker 1: officers in that crime scene is going to finish putting

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Speaker 1: the prosecution's touch on how she died, who supplied her

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Speaker 1: with the evidence, I mean, with the drugs, And it's

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Speaker 1: a the show case. If he asked me, as an investigator,

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Speaker 1: I will tell you I've had so many families come

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Speaker 1: to me and ask, how can we charge this person?

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Speaker 1: I know they gave him the oxycotton, or they gave

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Speaker 1: him this or that, and I'm like, listen, I wish

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Speaker 1: there was more we could do. Back when I was

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Speaker 1: in law enforcement, I really wish we could. This was

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Speaker 1: handed to law enforcement on a silver platter. The doctor

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00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: handed them his own evidence through his text message. You know,

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Speaker 1: doctor Andy Arnold, I will never forget. It was maybe

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Speaker 1: the first year I was prosecuting, and I was taking

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Speaker 1: the stairs into the elevator in the building. There were

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Speaker 1: many many floors, fleets attorney, fleets of attorneys, and I

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Speaker 1: got off on one floor and there was a ton

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Speaker 1: of media. The floor was packed. I got right back

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Speaker 1: on the elevator and continued to my form of my

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Speaker 1: office was. I said, what's happening on seven? Do you

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00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: remember all in the family? Or what was the other one?

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Speaker 1: Carol O'Connor was the heat of the night or something anyway,

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Speaker 1: his son, Carol O'Connor's son died of a drug overdose,

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Speaker 1: and he civilly sued the supplier, and that was what

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Speaker 1: was happening. But this case goes so much beyond being

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Speaker 1: a supplier. This is tell me where the family goes

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Speaker 1: through when they see their loved one wait literally wasting away. Well,

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Speaker 1: I imagine they feel completely hopeless, Nancy. You can feel

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Speaker 1: completely hopeless about a family member if they're not even

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Speaker 1: wasting away, if there's nothing that you can do that

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Speaker 1: you can seemingly do to help them, because families aren't

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Speaker 1: equipped to to really help pick people out of this.

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Speaker 1: At least they were trying to get to her and

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Speaker 1: get her out of this situation. But Nancy, there is

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Speaker 1: so much wrong enough from the very beginning, the mere

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Speaker 1: fact that this doctor was bringing this stuff to his home.

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Speaker 1: Who was counting it? Who was counting it? It is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, good question, doctor Moroney. It's alleged that he

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Speaker 1: illegally obtained the drugs from his practice, including medical apparatus

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00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: like ivy stands, needles, and ivy bags. Don't medical practices

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Speaker 1: or dentist's practice keep count of the medicine and the paraphernalia,

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Speaker 1: and notice when it goes missing. For him to bring

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Speaker 1: this stuff home and say that it was legal, he

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Speaker 1: had to show prescriptions, he had to show medical needs,

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Speaker 1: he had to show progress notes, and he had to

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Speaker 1: have a billing relationship to supply the drugs and the equipment.

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Speaker 1: And you can guarantee that none of those four things

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Speaker 1: are done. This guy's throwing this stuff in the back

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00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: of his autie or his VMW and he's sneaking it out,

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00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: bringing it home in a relationship that's inappropriate. Somebody who's

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Speaker 1: chemically kidnapped. We wait as justice unfolds. As Lindsay Watts

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Speaker 1: told us, the Good Doctor is now facing seventy eight

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Speaker 1: years behind bars. As far as I'm concerned, that's not enough.

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Speaker 1: If you are someone you love needs help, and we

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Speaker 1: all know that person that needs help, please call one

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Speaker 1: eight hundred sixty six to help. One eight hundred six

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Speaker 1: six two four three five seven. That's the substance abuse. Helpful,

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Speaker 1: good