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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on giants

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Speaker 1: dot Com, the Giants Mobile, the Giants podcast Network. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Giants Huddle podcast for this rapid reaction to

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Speaker 1: the Giants Chiefs game. I'm joined by Super Bowl champion

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Speaker 1: Shawn O'Hara. But first a reminder that the Giants Huddle

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Speaker 1: Now we're joined by our guest, Sean O'Hara. Sean, Giants

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Speaker 1: went down to Arrowhead a tough loss loss to the

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Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. I think if you look at that

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Speaker 1: final scores a lot closer than a lot of people

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Speaker 1: thought it would be. Yeah, no doubt about it. If

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Speaker 1: you would have told me that the Giants defense was

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Speaker 1: going to hold the Chief's offense to just twenty points,

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Speaker 1: obviously we got a really good shot of winning that

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Speaker 1: football game. When you think about Patrick Mahomes through the

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Speaker 1: ball forty eight times in this game and yet only

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Speaker 1: two hundred seventy yards two or seventy five yards passing,

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Speaker 1: that's a win. And I think, you know, if the

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Speaker 1: Giants had won this game, game ball. Absolutely. Patrick Graham

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Speaker 1: his whole philosophy on Look, we're not gonna give up

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Speaker 1: the big play. You want to run the football, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna make you stay patient with that. And no one

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Speaker 1: any read wants to take some shots. Patrick Mahomes wants

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Speaker 1: to take some shots. Um, I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: they executed that game plan exactly as they wanted it

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Speaker 1: to go to get executed and not giving up the

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Speaker 1: big play, making a march down to the field of

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Speaker 1: the red zone and then clamping down forcing the k

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Speaker 1: field goals twice on some big time drives at the

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Speaker 1: end of the game. Yeah, and I mean you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Patrick Graham's defensive strategy. That opening drive was kind of

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Speaker 1: a testament to it. Right. They were playing a bit soft,

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Speaker 1: allowing them to get five seven yards and the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: kind of marched down the field. But when it mattered,

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Speaker 1: when they were in the red zone, Patrick Mahomes goes

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Speaker 1: for it, throws a pick, Julian Love comes up with

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Speaker 1: that interception. The Chiefs are leading the league by a

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Speaker 1: mile in turnovers and the Giants absolutely capitalize off of

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Speaker 1: that in that opening drive. Yeah, that was huge. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the interception in the red zone the turnovers great in itself,

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Speaker 1: but you know, if it's an incompy past, they're going

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Speaker 1: to get points. So to not give up any points

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Speaker 1: on that drive was definitely big. I think the game

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Speaker 1: plan was good too on third down um certainly on

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Speaker 1: that play and a couple of other plays, the Giants

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Speaker 1: rushed three guys and then they kept one other linebacker

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Speaker 1: or defensive back in as a spy rusher because Mahomes

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Speaker 1: really loves to escape the pocket and that stresses your

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Speaker 1: defensive backfield. So that spy rusher and that game plan

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Speaker 1: worked really nicely. And then you know the the other

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Speaker 1: interception that got called back, Darny Holmes with an unbelievable

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Speaker 1: interception in the slot, and you know, I think that

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Speaker 1: that interception would would have I think the Johnts win

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Speaker 1: the football game if if Ocehan's emn is not offsides

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Speaker 1: on that play. But time and time again this year

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Speaker 1: we've seen that exact type of play where, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: great play and only to be nullified by a mistake

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Speaker 1: or a penalty or something else happening. So I think

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Speaker 1: Johns feel a little snake bit right now, and and

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Speaker 1: this team certainly does, as well, um, you know, but

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Speaker 1: the offense has got to step up. If you hold

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs of twenty points, you should win that football game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I mean you mentioned that, Darny A. Holmes. Of course,

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Speaker 1: that one coming in a much more crucial point late

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Speaker 1: in the game, uh, tied at seventeen in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: If you're in that situation, you're the Giants and you say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be tied seventeen the fourth quarter at Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: that's the situation you want to take. But you know,

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Speaker 1: to your point, the offense having to kind of hold

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Speaker 1: their own as well, that first quarter interception by Julian Love,

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Speaker 1: the Giants turned around, Daniel Jones throws a pick to

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Speaker 1: Willie Gay right away as well. The offense not being

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Speaker 1: able to capitalize on the defense's productivity. That's got to

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Speaker 1: be frustrating. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it is. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that's why it was good that they capitalized

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Speaker 1: huge momentum. But the one thing that Giants are still

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Speaker 1: and they just couldn't seem to do that. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: He was in and out of this game, but you

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Speaker 1: know he was able to throw some uh throw a

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Speaker 1: up with a Kyle Rudolph touchdown. Rudolph the red zone reindeer.

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Speaker 1: I can't say that enough. Evan Ingram got into the

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Speaker 1: though they weren't flawless there, that's a growth point for

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Speaker 1: little hairry there because it was fourth down the play

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Speaker 1: called to Kyle Rudolph. Um, you know, I think everybody

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Speaker 1: I think that that red zone production definitely something to

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Speaker 1: you know, like the third and four, they're down there

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Speaker 1: A fourth and two down there in the goal line

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Speaker 1: that feels like a missed opportunity. Um. You know, But

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Speaker 1: talking about how good of a game Davante Booker had

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Speaker 1: here's where it's designed to go. Well, that's great, But

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Speaker 1: that look like? Where's the entry point? And based on

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Speaker 1: So let's see quick mass sixty five on the ground,

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Speaker 1: thirty all purpose yards. That's a good that's a good

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Speaker 1: day for Booker. That's a strong day for Booker, and

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, we got a lot of ballgame left. We're

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Speaker 1: about halfway through the NFL season. Shawn ohara, think so

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