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I'm known as a USC Homer so and 23 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: I lean into it because I think it's obnoxious and funny. 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: But whatever, we all have our team or our region 25 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: or whatever. And I was talking to a friend the 26 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: other day who's a UCLA Bruin, and I said, I 27 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: just don't think. I don't think UCLA is a good job. 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: I think it's one of those where it sounds like 29 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: it should be good. You're like, oh, there's a lot 30 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: of money in bel Air, but it's an international university. 31 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: NIL punishes college football programs. You can make. You can 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: be a top ten college basketball program with about four 33 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: million a year in college basketball if you're not at 34 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: sixteen to eighteen, which is where USC's at now. I mean, 35 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: there's a reason USC's defensive front looks better. Bought a 36 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: lot of it. So my take with UCLA is they 37 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: are bottom half of the Big ten in NIL because 38 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: it's in bel Air, Josh, you can't really and it's 39 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: a public university. Your coaches have to drive forty five 40 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: minutes or an hour to work. I don't think it's 41 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: a good job. I do not think it's a good job. 42 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: I would if I was an agent, I would not 43 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: send my best clients there. I don't think it has 44 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: a huge brand. You tell me you live in Nashville. 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: I spent eight nine years in Los Angeles. I don't 46 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 2: think it's a good I don't think it's a good 47 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: I don't think it's a top thirty college football job. 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: I would go further. I don't think it's top forty five. 49 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: Like you're talking about multiple G five jobs that are 50 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: better than UCLA and I. When we say that, by 51 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: the way, I know people who don't live in this 52 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: world and who don't immerse themselves in it, they almost 53 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: think you have an ax to grind, like you just 54 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: talked about, Oh, that's USCO morism. Well, dude, I grew 55 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: up in Harris County, Georgia, so I got no dog 56 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: in this fight. I'm just telling you what I perceive. 57 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: But I could be wrong. So then you ask around 58 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: and you ask forget agents. Yet of course agents are 59 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: echoing that to me, Colin. I just go to coaches. 60 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: When I see a coach's name in the running for 61 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: these jobs, I'll just go to the coach and I'll 62 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: ask him, and they'll usually shoot straight with you. And 63 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: I just think, probably even I've been a little taken 64 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: back by how many people who in a previous lifetime, 65 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: we would look at it the job they're at, and 66 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: you would think, oh, it's a slam dunk. Yeh, he 67 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: can get the UCLA job. He's going to take it. 68 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: That in the modern day look at it and say, dude, 69 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: there's no way. And we're not just talking about head coaches, 70 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: like I'm telling you, there are coordinators out there. There 71 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: are pretty high level coordinators out there that would not 72 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: leave where they are right now for the UCLA job. 73 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: And you mentioned it's bottom half of the big ten. 74 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: Well that's in a vacuum. So yes, it's bottom half 75 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: of big ten in vacuum. But then like you said, 76 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: when you factor in, hey, if you take the Indiana job, 77 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: I mean you could do like Signity and blow it up. 78 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: But even if it's not what Signitti has made it, 79 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: you're going to live in Bloomington, Indiana very affordable. So 80 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: you're asking me to go take a bottom half job. 81 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: You're going asking me to be distant second in my 82 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: own town. You're asking me to be second on my 83 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: own campus. When it comes to the athletic department, You're 84 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 1: asking me to take over a place where the nil 85 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: infrastructure is really discombobulated. They're not fractionally as put together 86 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: in football as they are for basketball. There and you're 87 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: asking me, by the way, to compete with superpower programs 88 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: like Oregon and Ohio State and Penn State and Michigan. 89 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: There's just I don't have much good to say about it. 90 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: I wish I was wrong. I wish you were wrong. 91 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: We're not. 92 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I and the football stadium's forty five 93 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: minutes off campus. I think there was a time when 94 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: you could you could get away. There was a time 95 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: when it was Terry Donahue and then Dick for Meal 96 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: and it would get on ABC and it was part 97 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: of the Pack twelve, and there was something to be 98 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 2: said about you're playing in the Rose Bowl and the 99 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: weather was cold everywhere else, and now you're like, oh, 100 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: it's warm in UCLA. Like I could see a quarterback 101 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: or wide receivers, and they do put guys in the NFL. 102 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: But I think there was a moment when Chip Kelly 103 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: said I'd rather go be a coordinator in a Big 104 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: Ten school than the coach of UCLA. And to me, 105 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 2: it's like, oh, that's the tipping point, because Chip knows 106 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: you know Chip, Chip's coached at Oregon, He's coached at 107 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: the NFL. He's like, no, yeah, I'm and I know Chip. 108 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: Chip was at my sixtieth birthday party. Chip likes La. 109 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: Chip and his wife love La. It's not that he's 110 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: not an outsider. So you know, it's funny. I said 111 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: years ago, I felt this. I don't feel it anymore. 112 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: I said years ago, I thought the Texas job, I said, 113 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: take away the top three quarterbacks in the NFL, whoever 114 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: has those, and they're in their prime. Those are the 115 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: best football jobs America. Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore. You know, 116 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: those are the best jobs. You have an NFL pension, 117 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: your coaches don't leave, you don't have to recruit players. 118 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: But I always said fourth is Texas and and I 119 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: as we talk about what kind of job it is, 120 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: I always think, like Texas is the best college job 121 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: Ohio State, Georgia. Then we can argue, like Notre Dame. 122 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 2: There's an academic umbrella. It's kind of you know, it's 123 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: it's in the middle of nowhere, it's you know, it's small, 124 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: it's private, bad weather. I mean, my wife wouldn't be 125 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: overjoyed to move to South and Indiana. Like all things considered. 126 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 2: If I said to you top five jobs, I want 127 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: you to consider pressure, pay conference, geographic location. Remember Oregon. 128 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: You know, as an outsider, if you don't have a 129 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: lot of players in your state, you generally don't have 130 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 2: a good program. Phil Knight changes that. California changes it. 131 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: If I said to you five programs, all things considered, 132 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: where are you? 133 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: You are going to think I'm joking with you. But 134 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: Kentucky football would be the job that I would want 135 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: to take. Mark Stoops makes close to ten million dollars 136 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: a year. The goal there is to win seven games. 137 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: Rural Kentucky, you can be there forever. He's got a 138 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: massive buyout, and unlike a lot of these other guys, 139 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: he is the only place where you blend SEC payscale 140 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: without SEC pressure. I can't believe people don't look at 141 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: Mark Stoops and say that guy figured it out. Now, 142 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: if you do want to compete for a national championship, 143 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: the answer is the University of Georgia. Georgia has long 144 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: been that. And I remember when Saban was at Alabama 145 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: and everyone would look at Saban and is he going 146 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: to go to Texas? But I remember someone saying, no, 147 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: forget Saban to Texas, like, yeah, if he were to 148 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: take that job, it would suck for Alabama, but Hit'd 149 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: do probably the same thing at Texas. He's I don't 150 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: think you could dominate much more than Saban did at Alabama. 151 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: But what people kept saying was you need to be 152 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: paying attention to what happens with Georgia. This was like 153 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: the Mark Rick Georgia era. Yeah, Georgia for a long time. 154 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: I grew up there. For a long time. Georgia, like 155 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: good was the enemy of great, and they were just good. 156 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: It was pretty good, it was kind of good. And 157 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: there was this like nether region. There were never bad 158 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: enough for a firing to happen, they were never good 159 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: enough to win a title. And the rest of the 160 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: SEC was so happy with Georgia being like that. And 161 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: finally it got to a tipping point. I really think 162 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: Saban and to an extent, Urban Meyer, turned the heat 163 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: up in the SEC enough to where Georgia made a move. 164 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 1: And then Georgia went and got Nick Saban's guy and 165 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: Kirby Smart, and the day they hired Smart, there's no 166 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: guarantees in this world. But I thought to myself if 167 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: that is the guy that can replicate Saban's model or 168 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: come roughly close to it, if you take those ingredients 169 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: and you throw them in Athens, Georgia, I just thought 170 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: it was a powder keg, the lights of which in 171 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: a generation prior to me being born, they used to 172 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: talk about Florida. You read the books, you listen to 173 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: the interviews, you read the Paul bear Bryant quotes when 174 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: he was at Bama of hoping no one ever figures 175 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: out Florida, because if anyone ever figured out the University 176 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: of Florida, then they'd be a monster to deal with. 177 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: So Kentucky, if I don't want to win a title, Georgia, 178 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: if I do want to win a title, would be 179 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: my two answers. 180 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: Michigan sounds like a greater program than it is. So 181 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:28,359 Speaker 2: Ohio State is essentially the SEC. Just northep the obsession, 182 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: the passion, the relentlessness. I mean, Luke Fickle gets an hour, 183 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: you're out, that's the SEC. Michigan's patient. Michigan's got the 184 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: medical school, the business school. And the truth is, if 185 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: you take Harbaugh out, they'd havemn't egged it for a 186 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: lot of years where it's like, well they're okay, they're 187 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: not special. When they hired somebody on staff, my first 188 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: take was, Oh, that's Michigan. That's not going to work. 189 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 2: That's not going to work. That as much as I 190 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: loved harbaughn Michigan is that Michigan is a program that 191 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: people instinctively helmet fight song, Harbaugh Brady think of a 192 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 2: top five or six program, but I don't think it is. 193 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: I don't think Michigan is a top ten. Now I'm 194 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: saying this, you take the job. Okay, you take the job. 195 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: Oregon has Phil Knight, Ohio State has historically been more obsessed. 196 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 2: Penn State's got even athletes. Oh damn. Now Washington and 197 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: USC are in it. That I would not be surprised 198 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: if Michigan went ten years and was kind of an 199 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 2: eight win program. I would not be shocked. 200 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: That's a lot. Let me break this down. Okay, So 201 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: my perception, my perception was kind of with an asterisk 202 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: next to it. When when Jim Harball left and they 203 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: give Sharon the job. Because I could never prove this, 204 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: but you could. You'd be tough for you to convince me. 205 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: There weren't some conversations in that building up of we've 206 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: got this looming in Cuba thing, don't really know which 207 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: way it's going to go. Let's just build a bridge 208 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: right now, and who knows. Maybe Shrine's the perfect guy 209 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: and it's a moot point, but at the very least, 210 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: let's just give ourselves an ability to have this conversation 211 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: again two or three years down the road. And if 212 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: he's great, it's a moot point, and if he's not, 213 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: it'll give us an open door. I still think there's 214 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of that, and there's a lot of 215 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: remains to be seen on that. Here's what I wonder, 216 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: all right, So the malaise that was Michigan, which was 217 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: basically my upbringing, Like I came up, I'm in high school, 218 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: mid two thousands, my college years. That's the area you're 219 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: talking about with Michigan. I'm sort of on the back 220 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: part of Lloyd car and so I hear about when 221 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: Michigan was great more than I'm watching them great Texas 222 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: kind of the same way Mac Brown towards the end, 223 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: and then Texas is the same way. I wonder if 224 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: you're allowed to have that for an extended period of 225 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: time anymore. With the way money is in the sport 226 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: right now, and so also how volatile ross turn is. 227 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: Because if it's going to be real, here's what it's 228 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: going to do. It's gonna be really hard to gauge 229 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: a coach because it used to be like I would 230 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: define program as a four year rolling blend of staff 231 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: grades and recruiting rankings and development and NFL draft production. Well, 232 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: how am I even doing that if we've thrown it 233 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: all in a blender in thirty eight percent of your 234 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: roster year over year is coming from someone else's program. 235 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: So I don't really know how to grade a coach 236 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: so much as I know how to create a talent acquirer. 237 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: I just wonder if they don't look at it and say, 238 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: what used to be okay here is not okay anymore. 239 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: That's why it always helps when your rivals are winning. 240 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: It helped Auburn down in the South when Alabama was winning. 241 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: There's no way Auburn goes in with a title in 242 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: twenty ten if you don't have the reverse reaction to 243 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: the saving thing. And likewise, at Michigan you've got Ohio State, 244 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: which will always turn the heat up on you. But 245 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm more interested in what you're talking about the new 246 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: additions to the conference. What is Oregon long term? I've 247 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: actually got some my high expectations for Washington long term. 248 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: Probably Hi, same country. Yeah, I just I see where 249 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: you're coming from. Okay, I feel the same way about 250 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: the profile of the program. I feel the same way. 251 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: I just don't know if they if you've got big 252 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: enough money that walks around and does what it took 253 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: for them to get Bryce Underwood, I'm not sure that 254 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: they just sit there and say, I guess we're good 255 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: enough with eight wins. Like if that happened, I just 256 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: think they'd be overly aggressive and keep hiring and keep 257 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: hiring and keep hiring until they hire their way out 258 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: of it, which is a horrific strategy in college sports. 259 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: But that means they wouldn't try it. 260 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: Think about this. Hardball won instantly in San Diego, instantly 261 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: with the Niners. He won instantly with the Chargers, turn 262 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 2: them around. Stanford he didn't win instantly, but he was 263 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: a forty point dog went to the coliseum and beat 264 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 2: USC so instantly. He changed the culture. Michigan took a while. 265 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: Yo, dude, that's its own documentary. 266 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Michigan took a while for Jim Harball because I 267 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: always said this, if you're too worried. One of the 268 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 2: advantages the SEC has, like culturally they really don't care 269 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: about the swim team. There are certain universities the West 270 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: Coast really cares about it. There's some ACC schools that do. 271 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: Michigan has always looked at Ohio State is like, well, 272 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: academically there are junior college We wouldn't do what they 273 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: would do. And my take is Oregon just entered the conference. 274 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: Oregon has no effect on Ohio State, either does USC 275 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: or Washington. But I think Oregon, Washington and USC can 276 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: beat Michigan regularly. I don't think they can beat Ohio 277 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: State regularly. And that's my take is that when the 278 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: Pac twelve came to the Big Ten, there was this 279 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: sense that woh those West Coast schools, it's big boy football. 280 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: And my take is, oh, Jim Harbaugh leaves Michigan in 281 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: five years, were going to look up and go they're 282 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: the school in trouble. That USC's hummon, Oregon's gonna hum 283 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: Washington whenever they get the right coach is a top 284 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: ten program. Let's be honest. James Franklin is one of 285 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: the top five recruiters in the sport. They're gonna be fine. 286 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: I mean they have they have dudes. I just think 287 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: Michigan and I and I know everybody loves Underwood, myself included, 288 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: but I look at it and I think Hired within 289 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: conference is much stronger. They care about stuff that a 290 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: lot of football powers don't. I have a weird vibe 291 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: about Michigan and Ohio State now is playing. I mean, 292 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: they are rolling right now, they are. They feel like 293 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: Georgia four years ago. 294 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: I remember when I was I used to work in 295 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: a warehouse and listen to you all the time describe 296 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: fan bases, and you would talk about sweater vest fan bases, 297 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: and you're kind of describing the sweater vest ish miss 298 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: of Michigan. So another layer of that theory to test 299 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: out here is I noticed a different vibe off of 300 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: them over the past twenty four to thirty six months 301 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: with the whole Stallion's thing, with the whole NCA investigation, 302 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: there was there was this there was this sort of 303 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: throwing back in Michigan's face, the hypocrisy water balloon of 304 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: do you guys have looked down your nose at the 305 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: rest of college football for so long, and it's you 306 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: that's wrapped up in this, and instead of looking and 307 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: kind of defending themselves or you know, apologizing for it, 308 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: they just kind of said, you know, like, if we 309 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: got to get the sweat of us dirty, if we 310 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: got to get some dirt under our fingernails, then so 311 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: be it. And I don't know long term what kind 312 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: of ramification that has. There are always these inflection points 313 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: in the trajectory of programs or businesses or whatever, and 314 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: you look back on it when you're, you know, doing 315 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: the documentary, you're writing a book twenty years down the road, 316 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: and this moment in time affected this this and this downstream. 317 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: I still don't think we know fully how much that 318 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: right there, that past twenty twenty four, we're thirty six, 319 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: forty eight months, was an inflection point that changes the 320 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: attitude around there. And it could be nothing, by the way, 321 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: but it could be something that makes them a little 322 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: less apologetic about being a little more serious about football. 323 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: It's not that they weren't, but your point's well taken. 324 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 1: Some places, they will literally do whatever it takes to win. 325 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: I grew up there, that's right. I grew up in 326 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: the South. 327 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: There's about eight of them. 328 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, we never perceived Michigan that way down south. We 329 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: perceived Ohio State like that. We always thought Penn State 330 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: maybe like that. We never thought that about Michigan. And 331 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: recently there's a little more of that vibe coming off 332 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: Michigan to where I still question if they would let 333 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: it sink back to that eight or nine win degree 334 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: without getting the ultra aggressive in the hiring. Hiring doesn't 335 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: guarantee anything. I just don't know that they would sit 336 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: back and you know, cross the legs and you know, 337 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: sit back in the rocking chair and say, oh, well, 338 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: at least the GPA is high like they used to. Yeah. 339 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 2: So, by the way, Michigan faces Nebraska this and it's 340 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: probably going to be a field goal game. It's at Nebraska. 341 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. I probably would take I would probably 342 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 2: take Underwood making a play and winning the game late. 343 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 2: If I had to bet, I would just say two 344 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: really talented quarterbacks. I would probably take Michigan again. Underwood 345 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: close game twenty seven, twenty four, makes a play late, 346 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: What say you? 347 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: I am going to this one? Never been to a 348 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: Nebraska game before looking forward to it. I believe in 349 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: a lot of that rule year three stuff, at least 350 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: at the college level. If that's right, and he's there 351 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 1: year three and they scratched out of winning its Cincy 352 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: early on, and Cincey's quarterback ran for over one hundred 353 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: against him, by the way, which is something underwould absolutely 354 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: could do in this game. I just if a lot 355 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: of what I believe about them, if their wide receiver 356 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: core is one of the more underrated position rooms in 357 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: the Big Ten, which I believe, if I believe that 358 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: they've got the kind of guys that can stand up 359 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage, at least they all made 360 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: team like Michigan, if that's right. This is kind of 361 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: the way that you prove it's the stage you prove 362 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: it on. So I don't have a strong feel on it. Actually, 363 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: later in the week we've gotten I kind of do 364 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: have a stronger feel on it. I think it's going 365 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: to be a Nebraska day. I think they're gonna win 366 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: that game, and I think the talk around them becomes 367 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 1: a little different. Like I thought this is a fringe 368 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: playoff team at the outset, because I thought they'd get 369 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: one or two of these key wins could afford to 370 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: drop to and be a ten and two non Big 371 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: Ten Championship type playoff team. 372 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: When you want to enjoy life simpler pleasures, reach for 373 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 2: Green River Whiskey. 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Oklahoma was clearly the side, 380 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 2: clearly the better team, more juniors than seniors, and I 381 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: think Oklahoma finally has their quarterback, and I think it's interesting. 382 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: I didn't think brtt Venables would have been my choice, 383 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: but I do think when a defensive coach gets his 384 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: star quarterback, there's a magic that happens. That's what's hurt 385 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin with the Steelers, he just big bend, got old, 386 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: just can't find the quarterback. And Belichick even proved like 387 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 2: defensive coaches wants the star quarterback. If you miss on 388 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: Cam and Mac Jones like, you get fired. So I 389 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: think BRTT Venables has found his quarterback for the time being, 390 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, So he's got a bunch of 391 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: juniors and seniors on defense. He knows defense, he can 392 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: build culture. He's a tough guy. He wasn't Clemson. It'll work. 393 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: It's interesting with Lincoln Riley. He's the offensive guy. He 394 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 2: had his quarterback, he found his defensive coordinator. So last 395 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: week I had my questions about USC but I watched 396 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 2: them last week and I thought because when I watched 397 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 2: Oklahoma beat Michigan, I thought, Okay, this coach is gonna work. 398 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 2: It's gonna work. And you can't just fire coaches, Josh 399 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: like you used to, because the nil you got to 400 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 2: raise twenty million dollars before you buy out the coach. 401 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 2: So this I've said, the NIL is a coach's best friend. 402 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: So Lincoln Riley's an eighty million dollar buyout. They just 403 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: built three hundred million in facilities. They raised eighteen million 404 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: a year. Lincoln Ronny is not going anywhere. But when 405 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: I watched Michigan Oklahoma, I thought, Okay, he's gonna survive here. 406 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 2: They're not buying him out. He's gonna survive. And I 407 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: watched I know it was Purdue, but I watched their 408 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 2: defensive front and I'm like, oh shit, you at this 409 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 2: is a Big ten team. USC is controlling the line 410 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 2: of scrimmage. They mean they are pushing up now Michigan 411 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 2: State's offense is better than after that, it's Illinois as 412 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: a real test. Albeit that one in of Champagne a 413 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: glorious Champagne, the champagn aans better than the town. But 414 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: my take was My take was, Oh, I think Venables 415 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 2: and Lincoln Riley found their way. I think the NIL 416 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: looks like a magic elixir, but I think both of 417 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: those coaches experimented with it, maybe over used it, and 418 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: now they feel like they've kind of figured out the 419 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: portal and figured out the NIL. My take is Venables 420 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 2: and Lincoln are going to work. I know it's early 421 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: in year three, but I feel it strongly. 422 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: Do you? Yeah, you are describing something I agree with, 423 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: something I have begged Daboswenty to explore at Clemson to 424 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: no success. You're describing what Brian Kelly has figured out 425 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: in the last year or so at LS. Yes. I 426 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: mean he walked in that building and almost from an 427 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: egotistical standpoint, tried to prove a point by flushing the 428 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: building of Louisiana people and a huge mistake, and he 429 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: course corrected on that from a personnel side, and of 430 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: course on defensive hiring, and now voila, they can win 431 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: a game twenty to ten last week. And it's hideous, 432 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: but it's a win. I fully believe what you're saying 433 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: about Lincoln at USC. Here's the shame of it. The 434 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: shame of it is he didn't do it when he 435 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: first got hired, like he brought a guy with him 436 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: that was very inferior as his defensive coordinator. I've got 437 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: my own theories about why that happened, but it happened, 438 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: all right. So he makes the right move. He made 439 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: the wrong decision at the outset, he course corrects properly 440 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: the problem as we I think you and I talked 441 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: about this a couple of weeks ago. Okay, then you 442 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: find yourself at a major job three years in asking 443 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: for patients and no one wants to give you patients. 444 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: But if they will get it to him, I do 445 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 1: believe it'll work out. I've always believed that about Lincoln Riley. 446 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: I just hate that it took this long to figure 447 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: it out. And you know, we're still in the the 448 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: stage of that. But I do think he figured it out. 449 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: You know, Josh, what happens is and Saban found this 450 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: out when he left Michigan State to LSU. So when 451 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: you take a job and you're kind of scooting out 452 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 2: of town, this is Lane Kiffin at Tennessee. So what 453 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 2: you basically tell your staff is, guys, the private jet 454 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 2: leads in six hours. If you get on it, you're hired. Well, 455 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 2: the truth is, with Lincoln at Oklahoma or with Lane 456 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: at Tennessee, there's a couple of guys on your staff 457 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: you're probably not or hoping don't get on the plane. 458 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: But when they do get on the plane and move 459 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: their families cross country, then you owe them two years 460 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: of employment for their kids and their family. So Alex 461 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: Grinch got on the plane. I think he knew halfway 462 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 2: through year one. I can't fire him. It wasn't working. 463 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: And so I think, and this happens especially in college. 464 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 2: In the NFL, guys don't jump team to team very often. 465 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: You know, Andy reads out of a job then people 466 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: go bit on him. But in college you sometimes lead 467 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: big program to big program and you have to get 468 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: in a private jet and out of dodge and I 469 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: think what happened to Lincoln and this wasn't the Brett 470 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 2: venimal experience. This was not him because remember Lincoln left 471 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 2: in the middle of the night and everybody's like, oh, 472 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: we need a coach, and there was some discussion for 473 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. But I think Lincoln had guys 474 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: get on the jet and you have to be loyal 475 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: to him. I think this version of the staff, the 476 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 2: GM from Notre Dame Lynn the defensive coordinator, it's a 477 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: grown up staff. It's a really good staff. By the way, 478 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: Nick Saban, near the end of his tenure at Alabama, 479 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: I thought had a bad staff. 480 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were right. 481 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: I thought he had a really bad I watched him 482 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: a couple of big games, and I'm like, there's something 483 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: missing here. The defense is not as good. Nick's the CEO, 484 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 2: you know, and there's nothing you could do at his age, 485 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: he can't be up twenty three hours a day. But 486 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: I think the US I just think the USC thing's 487 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: gonna work. I don't know if it works this year, 488 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: but if you doubt if he can coach, watch Jaden Mayava. 489 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 2: He is a completely different player than last year. Last 490 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: year he was sloppy, he was almost immature. Boy he 491 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: is on he is a grown up now. 492 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm telling you what else to watch. He plays within 493 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: Lincoln's system and that sounds common sensical. There's a guy 494 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: starting at quarterback for the Chicago Bears right now and 495 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: sometimes failed to do that and his talent just bailed 496 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: him out and he could do circus things. But also 497 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: it will drive you crazy as a coordinator, play caller, 498 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: head coach. But what are you gonna do? I mean, 499 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: you got a guy out there and he's got top 500 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: top half of first round NFL potential, and yet he's 501 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 1: just sort of winging it, not playing within your system. 502 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: And I've thought for a while, and I guarantee if 503 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: you got truth Seeruim in that staff, they're probably a 504 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: lot more comfortable with their quarterback situation right now because 505 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: they got a guy they developed, but they got a 506 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: guy that plays within their system because you can coach 507 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: around that, like you can game plan around that. The 508 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: other same thing with Milroe at Alabama last year. Game 509 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: plan around this. Right, that's right here we can deal 510 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: with right. 511 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: Finally, A and M beats Notre Dame. I was surprised, 512 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 2: were you? 513 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: I was in a boat where I wasn't shot. I 514 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: was mildly surprised. I was surprised at the game script 515 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: more so than anything. Two games last week Georgia Tennessee 516 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: A and m Notre Dame, both of them get into 517 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: the forties and I didn't really see that coming. I 518 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: just thought to myself, you know, I went to college 519 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: station in the spring, and all they're talking about is, boy, 520 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: we got that Notre Dame game early in the season 521 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: and this right here, and we know they're that, and 522 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: we think we can be that. That's when we'll go 523 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: prove it. And we got a three headed monster tailback. 524 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: Look at this offensive line. So I'm thinking to myself, 525 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four style football, and it did not unfold 526 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: that way. And so what you end up having to do. 527 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: Colin Kleines, the offensive coordinator there no I remember sitting 528 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: there talking to him in the spring and he said, 529 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing we're going to have. We're 530 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: going to have an increased vertical element in our passing 531 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: game if our quarterback can execute it. Because they knew 532 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: they hit hit on those transfer portal receivers. Those guys 533 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: are monsters. One of them was kind of hurt last 534 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: year Conceptciance, Well, he's back craver as a monster. He said, 535 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: if we if we got a guy that can pull 536 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: the trigger, we'll have that. Well, they turns out they 537 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: needed it in week three and they need to trade 538 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: points and they need to come from behind, and that 539 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: was what surprised me that they were able to sort 540 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: of on the fly. It's the same way with Kirby 541 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: at Georgia. But Kirby's been there a long time. So 542 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: when that game got uncomfortable for Georgia fans last week 543 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 1: and the other guys scoring an uncomfortable amount of points, 544 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: they're totally comfortable being uncomfortable as a team. A and 545 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: M hasn't proven that, so they don't have that equity. 546 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: They don't have that benefit of the doubt in my mind, 547 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: and they totally earned it the other night. But that 548 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: is such a huge feather in the cap because there's 549 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: always been this crowd anytime I talk about Texas A 550 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: and M. 551 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: Oh it's the great underachiever in the sport. 552 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: It's the yes, it's it's yes bar none. But people 553 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: say Arizona State, let me counter with Texas A and M. 554 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: Because I always ask the people that tell me they 555 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: cannot cannot, cannot, which I believe is just have not 556 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: disguised as cannot. I ask, what is it you need 557 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: to win big time in this sport that they don't have. 558 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: I already know the answer. Nothing. They just don't have 559 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: the Wikipedia page because they have fantastically fumbled higher after 560 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: hire after hire, and they don't really know what greatness 561 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: looks like. So they sometimes get confused into thinking they've 562 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: got it and they don't have it. Mike Elko, though, 563 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: I will tell you this now, when he came there 564 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: from Duke, a lot of the personnel people hit me 565 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: up from around college football and they said, don't know 566 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: if it's going to work. Personalities could clash all this, 567 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: and that A and M just hired the best evaluator 568 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: and developer that we've seen in quite a while. And 569 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: these are guys who cover the entire sport. And so 570 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, you get there and you get all that money, 571 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: and you have the apparatus to go sign top ten classes, 572 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: go get guys out of the portal. But notice, unlike Jimbo, notice, 573 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: over the next couple of years, the progression and the 574 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: development of guys on A and m's roster, the ones 575 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: who get better. There's some notable exceptions out there right 576 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: now of teams that returned to a bunch of starters 577 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: and they're no different than they were last year. 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If you are somebody 621 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 2: you know as a problem wants help, call one eight 622 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: hundred and nine with it. Gambling problem called one eight 623 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: hundred gambler Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. 624 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 2: You know Brian, I like Brian Kelly. I've said, I 625 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 2: remember when urban melted down with a media in Florida, 626 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: and I've seen it. College basketball coaches do it. And 627 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 2: I've said, you know, you don't see it in the 628 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: NFL much because you're in a big city. The media 629 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 2: is tough everywhere, and you also have an owner above 630 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: you that you don't want to embarrass the franchise. But 631 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: in college football, the coach is often the highest paid 632 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 2: state employee you can really control practice. The media is 633 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 2: small town, so you get into kind of this kind 634 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,959 Speaker 2: of power vacuum where you kind of are the biggest 635 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 2: guy in the state and you kind of get into 636 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 2: your ego and Brian was got very tribal and protective 637 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: and it you know, he doesn't have a natty. It 638 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: took him a while to get it rolling. There was 639 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: the incident where the student died on campus. Like there's 640 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff here with Brian Kelly. He's 641 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 2: not always the most likable. There was the fake Southern 642 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 2: accent or whatever it is. But I still contend that 643 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if he has the relentless recruiting energy 644 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 2: he used to do. I like Brian Kelly, but I 645 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 2: but I found the media historically plays favorites. For years 646 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: they were tough on hardball, and I'd be like, guys, 647 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: he got the Super Bowl, I know how bad Stanford was. 648 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 2: He can coach. Take a deep breath. I think Brian 649 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: Kelly's a top twelve coach. Am I misguided? Is nobody 650 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 2: yet buys him in the SEC because LSU has been 651 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: when they have the right coach, they're great. I don't know, 652 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 2: how what do you if you had to grade him 653 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: at LSU? 654 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: Where would you be about a bus B minus to be? 655 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: I think look first off, I love BK as well, 656 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: so he's never rubbed me the wrong way. I mean, 657 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: I've gotten along great with him. I think that he 658 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: walked in there, like I told you twenty minutes ago, 659 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: and there has always been a very very unique connection culturally, 660 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: just the fabric of Louisiana and LSU football that I 661 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: don't think you can fully appreciate it unless you've been 662 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: down there for. 663 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: A long That's right, I totally agree. 664 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: And he walked in and his attitude, Frankly, I can't 665 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: blame him for having because I think I would have 666 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: been the same way if I were him, I would 667 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: have walked in and said, basically, I'm Brian Kelly. I 668 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. I know what the formula to 669 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: win is. And contrary to what you people think, the 670 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: formula to win in South Bend is the same as 671 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: it is here. Get good players, develop them by into 672 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: the process we define around here, and we'll win. And 673 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: I think he heard about Louisiana, this Louisiana that to 674 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 1: the point where he almost wanted to prove a point. 675 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: And when I tell you, he flushed Louisiana out of 676 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 1: that buil. I mean some people that it wouldn't have 677 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: mattered whether they stayed or went desk receptionist. No, you're 678 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 1: from thibodeau By, So he flushed that place of Louisiana. Now, 679 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have mattered if they won immediately, right, they didn't, 680 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 1: And because they didn't, internally and culturally down there, that's 681 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: been held over his head. Now on Saturdays, they're fully 682 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: behind him, all right, In recruiting weekends, they're fully behind him. 683 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: But there are a lot of people that haven't. I 684 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: told you so attitude towards Brian Kelly his own state 685 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: because he did that well organizationally, university wise, they course 686 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 1: corrected collectively. I don't really think that decision was entirely 687 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,959 Speaker 1: on his plate. If you get what I'm saying right, 688 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, you bring Blake Baker down there as your 689 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, you bring Austin Thomas in as your GM. 690 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 1: These are people you cut them open and it's purple 691 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: and goal. And not only that, they're the best in 692 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: the world, some of the best in the world at 693 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: what they do. And it's no coincidence that LSU you 694 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: all of a sudden feel it, you can sense it. 695 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 2: You could have since their defense their defense looks like 696 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 2: big boy defense, like like, I mean, that was the 697 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 2: thing last year. They were atrocious. So to me, I 698 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 2: never worried about Brian's offenses, like I think he'll always 699 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 2: figure those that he's rough on quarterbacks. But I Lasu's 700 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 2: defense is like Georgia when you got the right coach. 701 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 2: It's just all NFL players. It's eleven guys who will 702 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 2: eventually plan on Sunday. 703 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, which was shocking that you have Jaden Daniels there 704 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and if you told me 705 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,439 Speaker 1: LSU was gonna have a Heisman Trophy caliber quarterback come through, 706 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: I just blindly say national championship. Tell me who the 707 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 1: coach is. I mean, I'm rolling out a top twenty 708 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: five defense if my mom's the DC there as long 709 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: as you're keeping in state kids in state. So for 710 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: that to have failed them was mind boggling. It's just 711 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: like Mario not being able to stop anything last year 712 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 1: at Miami with Cam Moore. It's crazy. So it's funny 713 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: that we've talked about this because I feel there's a 714 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: very very closely correlated story that's been told over the 715 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: past few years in college football about Brian Kelly and 716 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley. Ironically, the whispers were initially, oh, Lincoln may 717 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: take the LSU job. Well, then he winds up at USC. 718 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 1: So then LSU goes and gets Brian Kelly, and they 719 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: both had the wrong defensive coordinators at the outset, and 720 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: then they both corrected and now they're both massively improved defensively. 721 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: I just feel like the story arc is headed for 722 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: a playoff matchup one day. I just feel like, get 723 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: USCLSU one day. But I do agree with you, and 724 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: it's I don't think it's something that'll really be appreciated 725 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: by them unless he wins the national championship there because 726 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 1: everybody else this millennium has who's been the head coach 727 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: at LSU. 728 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean listen Ed Orgeron, who's a very funny guy. 729 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 2: I love. Ed does not consider a schematic, you know, 730 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 2: kingpin of the sport. He's a recruiter. I mean for 731 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,720 Speaker 2: years I thought he was more of a position coach, 732 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 2: like a line coach than even a coordinator. Broke his 733 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 2: heart when he didn't get the USC job. And I 734 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 2: would argue today that LSU team with Burrows the most 735 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 2: talented I've ever seen period end of story. So I 736 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: mean they had the hardest schedule, won every game, So 737 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 2: if Ed can do it, and that's not a knock 738 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 2: like he's I mean Ed would be the first to 739 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 2: admit ed Ed never scheduled a bad time. Ed Ed 740 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,280 Speaker 2: was a distracted, funny, great guy. But I think Brian's 741 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 2: too good of a coach. The older I get, I 742 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 2: tend to just look at people and if I have 743 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,760 Speaker 2: to hire somebody or something at the volume, hire smart people. 744 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 2: They'll figure it out, as my rule, and I think 745 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 2: Brian it took him a while. I mean it just 746 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 2: it took a while. He couldn't get the accent down. 747 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 2: But eventually I think three years in, like, I feel 748 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 2: like they figured it out. 749 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're one of the teams I'm looking most forward 750 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: to watching here. The SEC is just going to be 751 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: a bloodbath by the end of this thing, and they're 752 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: one that you know the Clemson game goes the way 753 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: it does. I was actually glad this week he publicized 754 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: the Garrett nuss injury because it's kind of been whispered 755 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: about in the South that nus Meyer had injury leading 756 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: up to that Week one game against Clemson. Like an 757 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: abdominal thing never got publicized, and they go and win 758 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: on the road, and then they were very lackluster in 759 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: Week two against an inferior opponent, and then week three, 760 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,959 Speaker 1: Lagway turns the ball over five times and LSU wins 761 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: twenty to ten, and you can clearly tell, hey, we're undefeated. 762 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: Something feels a little off offensively right Way. Quarterback's been hurt, 763 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: that's what's been off. Here's the thing, though, there are 764 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 1: teams with healthy quarterbacks that are one and two right 765 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,479 Speaker 1: now and you're three to zero. That's the surest sign 766 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: the defense is fixed. 767 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 2: Yep, Josh Pate as always great stuff. 768 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: Man appreciate it. 769 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 2: The volume Football is back, and for the first time, 770 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 2: it's on Wednesdays. From Omaha Productions, NFL Films and Vice TV, 771 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 2: NFL Classics after further review, relives the NFL's biggest games 772 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 2: with the legends who play them and the fans who 773 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 2: never forget, not just to rewatch, but the untold stories 774 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 2: behind those plays. 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