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Speaker 4: Hey, it's great to be back. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's super exciting to have you. Last time

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Speaker 3: And that's the story of Scott Harvith, who is a

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Speaker 3: former Navy seal who's turned counter terrorism hunter. Like going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just daily works for a private group kind

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Speaker 1: of you know, if you took Triple Canopy or Blackwater

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Speaker 1: That's what he's doing now, kind of taking contract work

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Speaker 3: And Triple Canopy, just for my listener, may not realize

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to read you about this new book

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Speaker 3: So I say it just right, Oh perfect, this is

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Speaker 3: dead Fall Fall. I got it right here on the phone. Okay,

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Speaker 3: dead Fall, And let me just read you this intro

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Speaker 3: and you can go there the story Lethal Operative Scott

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Speaker 3: In the war ravaged borderlands of Ukraine, a Russian mercenary

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Speaker 4: Yep. So that's this year's book. You know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Russians look at their shitty lives and

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Speaker 1: We had to put a pause on it, and then

436
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Speaker 1: to so that was already you know, kind of a

437
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,160
Speaker 1: pain in the neck that that was happening, and then

438
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Speaker 1: to But it's just devastating to lose Manny because he's

439
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Speaker 1: just a wonderful.

440
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Speaker 4: Human being, a great writer and got the genre.

441
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy that loves thrillers, he

442
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,960
Speaker 1: loves special operations, right, he loves the military.

443
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Speaker 4: I mean, this guy bled red, white and blue.

444
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Speaker 1: His family was from Cuba, so this was not a

445
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 1: fan of the Communists, you know. I mean, such a

446
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 1: great American and to lose Manny was just devastating. So

447
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 1: I have not spoken about the TV show out of

448
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Speaker 1: you know, respect for the process, and I didn't want

449
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Speaker 1: to let it out of the bag.

450
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Speaker 4: I didn't want to say, here are the executive producers,

451
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 4: here's the director who's.

452
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Speaker 1: This massive Hollywood action director for films who's never done

453
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Speaker 1: TV and is doing the Harvath Books as his first

454
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Speaker 1: TV project.

455
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Speaker 4: So it's really cool, and it sucks to sit here

456
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 4: and have to, like, you know, keep it quiet. But

457
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 4: it was tough to lose Manny. So now.

458
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Speaker 1: So now we have to Yeah, so it'll be impossible

459
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Speaker 1: to replace Manny. It'll be impossible. So he is irreplaceable.

460
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Speaker 1: So now, once the writer's strike is over, we're back

461
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Speaker 1: to square one, looking for a new writer, hopefully somebody

462
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Speaker 1: who is a fan of the books, which I lucked

463
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Speaker 1: out because Manny was a reader of my books. But

464
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Speaker 1: now we're going to have to start again with a

465
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Speaker 1: search for a writer. So it puts us back a

466
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Speaker 1: few steps. We're in a different place than we were.

467
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Speaker 1: None of us would have chosen to be here. I

468
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 1: would have rather Manny had walked away and said I

469
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 1: don't want to write anymore than to have passed away obviously.

470
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Speaker 1: So that's that's tough if four kids and a bunch

471
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Speaker 1: of nieces and nephews. So I hope he rests in peace.

472
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Speaker 4: He was a wonderful American and a super guy.

473
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So sorry about Manny and the loss to his

474
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 3: friends in the community, in the industry. You know, he

475
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 3: will be missed. So with that, I don't mean to

476
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 3: tap into such a like kind of like an emotional

477
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 3: can of you know, worms right there. But you know,

478
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 3: it's good to hear that the show is on the

479
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Speaker 3: on the proverbial burners.

480
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Speaker 4: We're We're in the starting blocks, that's for sure.

481
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Speaker 3: And I'm sure that Manny would like to see it

482
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Speaker 3: go all the way through to the end. And with

483
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Speaker 3: whoever gets involved to write it with you, he's probably

484
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Speaker 3: going to help, kind of like shadow that you'll know,

485
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 3: you'll know.

486
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Speaker 1: I hope so, and hopefully we'll dedicate the pilot episode,

487
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Speaker 1: if not the first season. I don't know how that

488
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: works and who gets to decide that, but it'd be

489
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: really cool if we just because we want to blow

490
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Speaker 1: up the very first episode, the season opener, just have

491
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Speaker 1: it be just this massive, really cool, cool thing.

492
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Speaker 4: It'd be fun, I think, to dedicate that to Manny

493
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Speaker 4: right out of the gate. That'd be pretty neat. We'll

494
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Speaker 4: see what happens.

495
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Speaker 3: That's awesome. That's awesome, But that's not the end of this.

496
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 3: That's not the hell of you and me talking. Because

497
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 3: Scott Harveth, you know, from Rising Tiger and now falling

498
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 3: into the Ukraine, he is I just want to talk

499
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 3: about the book. I just want you to tell us more,

500
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 3: like what makes you want to write about Scott Harveth

501
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 3: so much?

502
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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I've always said that he's my

503
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: alter ego, just like I'm sure James Bond was for

504
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: Ian Fleming and Jack Ryan was for Tom Clancy.

505
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Speaker 4: You know, I joke that he gets to do the

506
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Speaker 4: things my wife won't let me do.

507
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Speaker 1: You know, she draws the line it's seducing female foreign

508
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Speaker 1: intelligence agents. But you know, if I say, if I

509
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 1: make that joke with an earshot of my wife, she

510
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 1: always reminds me that she gave me the thumbs up

511
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: when I wanted to go to Afghanistan back in two

512
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight and spend some time over there.

513
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Speaker 4: She was really cool with that.

514
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 3: So, yeah, your book, I did go three weeks or so?

515
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Speaker 3: How long?

516
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was over there about three weeks.

517
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that.

518
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 4: I know that we might have talked about it before.

519
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 4: It was a it was a very cool experience.

520
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Speaker 1: You know, we didn't there was no contact, so I mean,

521
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, every once in a while you'd hear some

522
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: gunfire and stuff like that. We never came under anything.

523
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Speaker 1: You know, we were traveling very very quietly, thin skinned

524
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: vehicles moving around and stuff like that, and it.

525
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Speaker 4: Was a pretty it was a pretty cool experience.

526
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Speaker 3: You know, you were wearing body armor yourself, you were

527
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Speaker 3: wearing body art, and we had it.

528
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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, you'd wear the Afghan clothes, the Sawa

529
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Speaker 1: comzi and you'd have the hats no sunglasses, which I

530
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Speaker 1: thought was really cool.

531
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Speaker 4: The guys were like, yeah, get rid of those.

532
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: You're not wearing those nothing marks shoes a western or

533
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Speaker 1: quicker than having your shades on and stuff. So these

534
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: guys were spent a lot of time going very deep

535
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Speaker 1: into Indian country and so they had kind of their

536
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Speaker 1: own set of rules and stuff.

537
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Speaker 4: So the the idea was and they asked me to

538
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Speaker 4: grow my beard. And I'm Scandinavian, so I can get it.

539
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 4: I can get it.

540
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: Take me a couple extra same. I didn't go as

541
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: long as yours, but I got it pretty big and

542
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: pretty bushy, to the fact that when I tagged up

543
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: with one of the guys at the airport, I walked

544
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: right up to me. It didn't recognize me because it

545
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: had grown so big since they'd asked me to.

546
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Speaker 4: But you know, it's pretty cool.

547
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: I spent some time in Cobble and then out to

548
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: Jalalabad and some other parts and stuff like that, and

549
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: it was a very unique experience. I was with some

550
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Speaker 1: people who really knew what they were doing. I was

551
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: stunned by how many incredible experiences I had there. They

552
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: were doing a lot of hearts and mind stuff. It

553
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: was a lot of developing assets and things like this

554
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: to gather intelligence. And you know, there was the whole

555
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: Pashtunwali code, which is if you got invited into the village,

556
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: you were their guest and they would fight to the

557
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: last man to protect you if you were their guest.

558
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: So we did not enter villages where we were not

559
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: welcome to be where we were not invited as guests.

560
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Speaker 1: You know, I had some of the best fried chicken

561
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: that I'd ever had in my life. Side Jalalabad. The

562
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: food was actually good and it was really really cool.

563
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: And next to being a physician, one of the most

564
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Speaker 1: honored professions over there was author.

565
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 4: So my guys are like, tell them you write books.

566
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: Tell them, you know, we had a turp and all

567
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and they're like, and they're like,

568
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: any questions to ask you about books or writing, answer

569
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: them because they just think authors are so cool. So

570
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: that was kind of a neat neat thing for me too,

571
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: was to be able to sit down with just you know,

572
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Speaker 1: I got to learn the difference between capital T Taliban

573
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: and small T Taliban.

574
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 3: Just like you've got, you know, people in what is

575
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Speaker 3: the difference between capital T and little T.

576
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: So you've got the real devout people who are really

577
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: in it, who really believe in it, who are the

578
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: capital T Taliman and then the people that go along

579
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: to get along that. It's like, yeah, I got a

580
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: side with the bloods of the crips.

581
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 4: And it's probably safer for my family.

582
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna yeah, yeah, the church really Yeah, So.

583
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: That's what it was, you know what I mean, Scott,

584
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: I mean I called you Scott, you know what I mean. Yeah,

585
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 3: you know, it's like if you go to church, you

586
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: got those that are capital seas and then you got

587
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 3: the we're here at church too, little lowercase sees.

588
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: I went to Catholic school, and we had the joke

589
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: that you either had the diehard Catholics or you had

590
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: the cafeteria Catholics that would go through and go, Okay,

591
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: I like that.

592
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 4: I don't like that. I'm not taking that. I'll take this,

593
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 4: put it on the train.

594
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Speaker 1: You know, there are certain things within the faith for

595
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: the kind of smaller sea, the cafeteria Catholic friends of mine.

596
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 3: Certain same with me, raised Mormon here in Utah. You know,

597
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: it's like you've got hardcore and then I.

598
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: Lived in Utah, and then you've got the Jack Mormon.

599
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: I mean, I've done some of my best knights in

600
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: Vegas had been with a couple of Jack Mormon buddies

601
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: who were in I go out to shot show and

602
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: bottle service at the club and all that.

603
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 4: Too.

604
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 3: It's okay, I am who I am. You know, I'm

605
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 3: still a nice person. I still care about you, and

606
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 3: you drink water at my porch here you go. Just

607
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: don't come at me. That's all.

608
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 4: That's it.

609
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: That's it, man, if it doesn't pick my pockets or

610
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: break my legs. Like Thomas Jefferson said, I'm cool with

611
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: anybody being whatever religion they want.

612
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: That's exactly right, you know, And that's what makes us

613
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 3: this red, white and blue nation the best nation is

614
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: you can choose to believe what you wish to believe,

615
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: right and just not even worry about it. And and

616
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: I know, you know, people are having a hard time

617
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 3: and social media really stretches it out there, you know,

618
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 3: they really.

619
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 4: And so do our enemies too. There is no zone

620
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 4: in social media, they and listen particularly.

621
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Speaker 1: That's the other interesting thing about progosion the head of

622
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: the Wagner Mercenary Group is that he also founded and

623
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: runs the internet research agency, the Troll Farm in Saint

624
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: Petersburg that started messing around in the elections back in

625
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen and has been an absolute poison injected into

626
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: our cultural bloodstream here. They love to pressure, put pressure

627
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: on all the cracks in our culture.

628
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: They want to see stuff.

629
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: They want to turn us against each other, right exactly,

630
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: the Iranians, the North Koreans, the Russians, the Chinese. I

631
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: always tell people I think when they say, what do

632
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: you think is our greatest national security risk?

633
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: I tell them I think it's social media.

634
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people that go to

635
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: where they go either a particular website or particularly people

636
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: that spend a lot of time on Facebook pages and

637
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: in certain groups where you let your guard down because

638
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: you think everybody else.

639
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 4: Thinks like you, and most of them do. It's a

640
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 4: pterrifict place. It's the perfect place.

641
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: For a bad actor to come in and inject disinformation,

642
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: to get you worked up about stuff that doesn't exist.

643
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: Then once you go out into kind of the wider ecosystem.

644
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: It's driven by rage. You keep coming back to certain

645
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: blog sites and websites and they get all the clicks

646
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: because they're pissing you off. That's how politicians get you

647
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: out to vote, is they tick you off, particularly for

648
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: the primaries. Once you realize that you can be a

649
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: conscientious objector to the culture wars, it relieves a lot of.

650
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 4: Pressure and a lot of stress.

651
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: It's okay to say, yeah, I don't have to get

652
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: involved with this every single day. And if you're pissed,

653
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 1: if you're constantly angry, somebody is probably manipulating you. If

654
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Speaker 1: you are constantly ticked off, you need to take a breath,

655
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Speaker 1: take a step back.

656
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Speaker 3: And constantly repeating the same verbiage stuff too, like the

657
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: same trite you're kids, constantly saying something that's like yep,

658
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: not wanting to be heard by anybody else around you.

659
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: You're like, did you know?

660
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 4: No, just take a boak.

661
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: It's like, you're not hanging out with me enough, bro.

662
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: That's what I told my one friend. I was like,

663
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: who you hanging out with? He's like, re mean us

664
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: because you're not hanging out with me? What is this?

665
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: I was like, let's focus on going in the mountains

666
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: and snowboarding or like, you know, living your life.

667
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: It's become this virtual replacement for real life experience, real

668
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: life friendships, real life interactions. And you know, I can

669
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: even remember, and I'm fifty three growing up in having

670
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: being taught there's street things you don't talk about religion,

671
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: sex and politics, right, and now all we talk about

672
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: is religion, sex and politics.

673
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Speaker 4: That's always talk about it.

674
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Speaker 3: My dad told me the number one thing that I

675
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: get to do is not tell you who I vote for,

676
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: because I'd ask him who you vote for? Wow, And

677
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: he was just like in the eighties, He's like, I

678
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: don't have to tell you. That's all the way till

679
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: he died, he never ever would tell me. I don't

680
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: know who MyD I can assume whom my dad voted for.

681
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: So I do this thing my business partner, who'd you

682
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: vote for? I was like, I don't know. He's like, what, who?

683
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: Who you know or whoever? And I'm just like, I

684
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't have to tell you. I don't.

685
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: I can keep it to my chest.

686
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the great thing about That's the great thing

687
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: about the United States.

688
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: You don't have to. You don't have to.

689
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, we are so blessed to

690
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: have an all volunteer fighting force, the fact that people

691
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Speaker 1: will volunteer to protect this nation. And then there's people

692
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: that can't be bothered to get off their asses and

693
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: go cast a vote. To me, I think is crazy.

694
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to force you to vote, but it

695
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: is such an incredible gift, and gift is not even

696
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: the right word, but it is such an honor, it's

697
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: a sacred trust that we have.

698
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Speaker 3: No idea what it's like because we're spoiled American And

699
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: I say it because I am one. And I'll tell

700
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: you when I saw people in Iraq get to vote

701
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: and dip their finger inside of that purple ink, and

702
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: it was shared with the world that they got to vote,

703
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: and they were like, this is what this was for?

704
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is it isn't I tell people all the time,

705
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: we don't you and me, everybody listening, everybody watching.

706
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: We don't own this country.

707
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: We're stewards of this republic. We merely hang on to

708
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Speaker 1: it until we pass it down to the next generation.

709
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: And it's incumbent upon us to give a freer more successful,

710
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: more prosperous, better country to the next generation than was

711
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: handed to us.

712
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 4: That's our job as stewards. Again, we don't own it.

713
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: Our job is to make it better, to take care,

714
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: to be caretakers, and to hand it on stronger than

715
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Speaker 1: the way we got it.

716
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Speaker 4: And a lot of us don't take that job seriously.

717
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: We love all the benefits of being an American citizen,

718
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: but too many of us don't want to take any

719
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Speaker 1: of the responsibility.

720
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Speaker 4: And what could be easier than voting, Oh my god,

721
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 4: and being informed. You have to be a formed voter.

722
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 4: It's not just go, you know, hit, push the button

723
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 4: or punch wherever you want.

724
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Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question about voting and people

725
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: who might have a felony. Can I ask you somebody,

726
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: do you think that felonies on somebody's record should stop

727
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: them and from being able to vote in our elections?

728
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's a really good question because and I

729
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: haven't done a lot of research on this, so I know,

730
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, there is part of me who believes in redemption.

731
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: And if you do the crime and you do the time,

732
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: I mean, and there's certain things where I think there

733
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: are certain things that I think should be mandatory sentencing.

734
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 4: There are some horrific.

735
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Speaker 3: Things as well.

736
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, when you've got women and kids and things

737
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: like situations. Yeah, but at some point, we are a

738
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Speaker 1: nation that believes in second chances, believes in redemption, and

739
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't somebody be able to And again, this is this

740
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: is my big mouth, not having done any research into this,

741
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: so I'll let you take all the incoming. But seriously,

742
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: I would like to think that we're a nation where

743
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: somebody who made a mistake because I don't like cancel culture.

744
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't like the idea that somebody can make a

745
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: bad joke and lose their career or say something I did.

746
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: I did a podcast yesterday and the host was very opinionated,

747
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh shit, if I publicly go

748
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: against him, his viewers are gonna hate me because they

749
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: obviously love this stuff. But if I sit here and

750
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: say nothing, is the other side of this argument going

751
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: to come after me for not standing up to what

752
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: he said? You know, I was kind of in this,

753
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: so I'm a big believer in that people should be

754
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: should be able to earn their way back in. You

755
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: make a mistake, you should be able to earn your

756
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: way back in with certain things that I think are

757
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: not I certain I think some things are beyond redemption.

758
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Speaker 4: So anyway, that's a that's a big yeah.

759
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: And about let me pick up some of your pieces.

760
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: My thought is that if you've done the time and

761
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Speaker 3: you were judged by your peers, which is what the

762
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: court system is supposed to do, and then you go

763
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: and serve your time, and you get out and there's

764
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: rehabilitation or whatever the case is, you should you're back out.

765
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Speaker 3: You're back, you're you know, you're here, you go And uh,

766
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: I just think that I have some friends in the

767
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: community that I that are around here who just wish

768
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Speaker 3: that they could vote. And that's why I brought that up.

769
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Speaker 3: They are somebody who has done some offenses and you know,

770
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Speaker 3: you can get it a felony for speeding.

771
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, I think we'll

772
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Speaker 4: get there.

773
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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I mean, you know, I

774
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,479
Speaker 1: can remember growing up where people, you know, I had

775
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: friends who were gay, We had family members who were

776
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: gay that you know, never thought they'd see, you know,

777
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: the ability to marry and have their spouse, their partner,

778
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: their their significant other come into the hospital room and

779
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: he was able to be with them or pass down

780
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: property inherited property, you know. So listen, I've got a

781
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: big libertarian streak in me. I want the government involved

782
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: in my life as little as possible. I believe it

783
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: has a role, but I think it's a limited role.

784
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: And that's part of being a good citizen too, is

785
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: paying attention that the government doesn't overstep their bounds and

786
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: that we don't as citizens create a void into which

787
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: the government needs to step right.

788
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 4: So it's the Robert Putnam's book Bowling Alone.

789
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: He was a sociologist out of Harvard, and he had

790
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: this great thing, did this study and then based a

791
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: book on kind of the United States, saying that if

792
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: you find a middle aged man today is more likely

793
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: to be bowling by himself than in a league. That

794
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: we've lost the l clubs and going to these different

795
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: organizations and working together. Yeah, but particularly as adults, we

796
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: have a loneliness epidemic in this country where men don't

797
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: have friends, and men are not spending time with other men.

798
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: We're sitting in front of computer screens. We're not getting out,

799
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: we're not being productive, helpful members in our communities, and

800
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: we're not setting good examples for younger men. This is

801
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: how you're a good father, It's how your a good husband,

802
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: this is how you treat women. This is how you

803
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: disagree with people in a polite, in productive way.

804
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 4: It's not fuck you and all this stuff. There's a

805
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 4: way to disagree, and I'll tell you.

806
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: My bottom line is is that there is more for

807
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: us as American citizens that unites us than divides us.

808
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: But there's such an industry that profits over fracturing us

809
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: and dividing us and basically balkanizing us, that we're all

810
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: getting this poison thrown at us all the time. It's

811
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: hard to love thy neighbor. I get it, but it's

812
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: hard to do anything that's worthwhile and productive. It's like

813
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: Jocko will nick It talks about all the time, scipline

814
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: is freedom, you know. So the more discipline you are,

815
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: the more freedom you're going to enjoy.

816
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 4: And I believe in that.

817
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: I think the good things in life come to those

818
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: who work hard and are willing to exhibit discipline. I

819
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: try to show that to my kids. Doesn't mean I'm

820
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: at the office till midnight every night. I mean sometimes

821
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: I got a book that's due, that's required but it's

822
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: it's about striking a healthy balance. And listen, there's been

823
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: no greater nation in the history of the world than

824
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: the United States. We freed more and fed more people

825
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: than any nation in history. And as President Reagan said

826
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Speaker 1: in his first inaugural address, there has never.

827
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Speaker 4: Been a nation in history that has unleashed.

828
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Speaker 1: The creativeness in the individuality of mankind as it has

829
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: been in the United States. I joke with friends, I say,

830
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy six, who do you think had more manpower

831
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: and natural resources at that point in their history? The

832
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: United States or the Romans as long as they've been around.

833
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: And look what happened after the Founding Fathers and the

834
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: Founding documents. Look how quick we accelerated with inventions and

835
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: all of the revolutions and technology. We went farther in

836
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: two hundred years than the Romans did. And god knows

837
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: how many aliens aliens built the pyramids, and it still

838
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: didn't help the ships.

839
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Speaker 3: No, right, right, right, aliens.

840
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: No, I had alien help, and they still couldn't get

841
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: as far as we did by unleashing the individual.

842
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: No, no, exactly, we had really, you know, just the

843
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: naves that lived here that I decided to work alongside,

844
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Speaker 3: you know, if they could have. I know that there

845
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: was some colonization here in America, and I understand that

846
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 3: I don't know how to atone for that. So any

847
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: of my listeners just know that I'm sorry that happened.

848
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: But here I am today, and so I'm going to

849
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: do my best to be a steward of this nation

850
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: that I'm a part of along with Brad. And I'm gonna,

851
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: you know, be that, and I hope I have been

852
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: doing that, and so I'm going to continue to be

853
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: that and as best as I can. And as my

854
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: business partner, Ajax always says, Hey, Rad, I'm all what

855
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: He's like, do more. I'm like, I'm doing so much.

856
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: He's like, do more, But I'm doing all this. He's like,

857
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: do more. I'm like, I get it. Oh, I get it.

858
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: Just do more? Right, have you done any good in

859
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: the world today? Just do more?

860
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 4: Nobody cares.

861
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: Work harder, Yeah, exactly, work harder. Nobody cares. It's me

862
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: getting up and going to the gym every.

863
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 4: Morning and grind exactly.

864
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: Seriously, That's where I get these curls from. Is every

865
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: shower from the gym. I'm like, hey, it's I got

866
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 3: my curls for Brad today. Okay, rocking the main of

867
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: the Viking right here for you, my friend. Now, do

868
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: you have any thoughts of Scott like finding his roots

869
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe saying he had like an ancestor

870
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: that is this badass grandpa?

871
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I've got him dating a very attractive

872
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: Norwegian woman right now, which is playing to my Scandinavian heritage.

873
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 4: You know what, It's funny.

874
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: I just did a panel at the International Thriller Writers

875
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: Convention where I sat.

876
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 4: With some great authors.

877
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: So on one side I had Jack Carr, on the

878
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: other side I had Mark Greene, and then there was

879
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: Michael Connolly. And it was funny because we got asked

880
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: a question and they said, all right, how do you

881
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: decide you got all this stuff about your main character,

882
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: how much? How do you decide how much to put

883
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: into the novel this novel and then hold back you

884
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: can use it the next one. And we all cracked

885
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: up because we are never thinking that far ahead. You know,

886
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: we're putting out a book a year and it's everything

887
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: we can do to get that book done. You know,

888
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm holding nothing back if I get a great idea.

889
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I collect hotel pads and I got pens

890
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: and they're all around the house, and I'll write it

891
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: down because I don't want to lose it, and I'll

892
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: bring it to work in the morning and then I'll

893
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: pound it out.

894
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

895
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: So, as far as Harvat discovering something of his past,

896
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean that would be kind of neat. At some point,

897
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: I kind of want to do his first assignment, the

898
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: first time he was ever unleashed, when he was back

899
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: in the seal teams and stuff. I think that would

900
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: be cool.

901
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 4: I've alluded to it in books.

902
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: But listen, this guy's been very good to me, very

903
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: good to my family. I got a lot of Army

904
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: buddies that would love to see him drown in about

905
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: three inches of water and a.

906
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: Right, because he's a seat of some fishies.

907
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: You know, I've got I've got Fifth Group guys that

908
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: say there's nothing worse than a you know, combat qualified diver,

909
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: and they'd like to drown them in the pool. Got

910
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: John I got John Wayne skills. Yeah, yeah, that Ballad

911
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: of the Green Berets and John John Wayne. So so yeah,

912
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's like we're sitting here now, my book's

913
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: about to come out, and I don't know what next

914
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: year's book's going to be. I mean, I'm a voracious

915
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: consumer of the news. I'm always trying to beat the headlines.

916
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: I always want, you know, my thrillers to be something

917
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: that's about to explode on your doorstep, because my job

918
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: is to give you just this great entertainment book in

919
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: the hand, toes in the sand.

920
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 4: You take it to the beach, take it to the lake,

921
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 4: and just have fun.

922
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 3: You want to take it. I just want to have

923
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: it in your hand, just like where's my book. I'm

924
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: not done yet exactly, and have.

925
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 4: A really good time. And if you close one of

926
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: my thrillers and you're like, wow, you know I learned

927
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 4: something in there. I didn't know that or I want

928
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 4: to know more about that. For me, that's the icing

929
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 4: on the cake.

930
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: You know, my dad is a no longer act United

931
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: States Marine because there's no such thing as a former marine,

932
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: right so my dad, you know, my dad raised us.

933
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: If you're going to push a broom, you may be

934
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: the best broom pusher that ever was.

935
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 4: You don't phone it in. So every year I'm pushing myself.

936
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm raising the bar for myself and maybe you notice

937
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: it as a reader that wow, there was just a

938
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: little bit more I noticed in this book.

939
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 4: That's the way I was raised by my dad. The

940
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 4: marine is to just keep picking it up.

941
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: Raise the bar, raise the bar, raise the bar. Even

942
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: if nobody else notices. You notice, and you know that

943
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: you're doing it for your customer. And by the way,

944
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: rad I don't work for Simon and Schuster. I work

945
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: for the readers. They are my employers. So when they

946
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: leave those five stars, that's my annual performance review. So

947
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: when they go on Amazon and all those places, so

948
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: they are the people that I need to keep happy.

949
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: They are the people I want to interact with on

950
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 1: social media. I want to hear everything they liked about

951
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: the book, something they'd like to see different in the

952
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: next book. That to me is invaluable because without those people,

953
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't exist as an author.

954
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 3: No, the reader, the reader who has their own interpretation

955
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 3: of what you've written. It's like a language where in

956
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: our mind, you know, it's one way. That's why I

957
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: was asking earlier about a TV show or a film,

958
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 3: because sometimes it doesn't come out how you Jack.

959
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,959
Speaker 1: Jack Carr talks about that with the Terminal List because

960
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: it's he and he's told people it's gonna look different

961
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: than it looks in your head the way you read it,

962
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be different than the way I wrote

963
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: it on the page. It's just Hollywood's interpretation of the

964
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: of the source materials.

965
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 3: So people are really technical and some people are just

966
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: really like, show me the action, right, And so I

967
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: got it.

968
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: I jump that once they buy the rights, they could

969
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: turn it into Hitler on Ice, oh, you know, or

970
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: a Japanese anime.

971
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: You know.

972
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing I can do at that point.

973
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 1: You try to stay involved and you try to negotiate

974
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: the best deal you can. And that's what we've done

975
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: on my stuff so that I can be involved because

976
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: they're you know, I've got twenty three books, and I

977
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: tell people it's like the James Bond movies. If you've

978
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: never read a Brad Thorpe book before, you can buy

979
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: this year's book, dead Fall.

980
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: You're good.

981
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: Like going into a movie theater and seeing a Bond

982
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: movie if you've never seen one before, it doesn't matter.

983
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 4: You just go and see this one. You're gonna be good.

984
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: It's on experience, it is.

985
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: And I've now sold to this movie studio in Hollywood.

986
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: I've sold basically my version of the Marvel universe. I've

987
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: got twenty three books. Nobody knows it better than I do.

988
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: It would be silly not to have me involved.

989
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the writing and with the producing continuity. And

990
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 3: just like, you know, what are you talking about in here?

991
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: This is the scene? You know, can you tell the

992
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: actor how you felt this?

993
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to tell you how to

994
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: make the shows, that's your business. But I can tell

995
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: you about the ip the underlying source materialation. If you

996
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: do this with this character here and you guys think

997
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: we're going here two seasons from now, here's the Ripple's

998
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: I say that writing is like a still pool of

999
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: water and you drop a stone in and it ripples outwards.

1000
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: But anytime you're telling a story, there's multiple stones, So

1001
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: there's multiple ripples, and you have to be cognizant of

1002
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: where they intersect because that's going to have an impact.

1003
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 3: It will. It will because you know part one, part two,

1004
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: and they've got to intersect, you know, if you in

1005
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: part one, let's talk back to the future, the fire

1006
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: going off into the distance. Yeah, okay, there you go.

1007
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: What's going to happen in the second one? Right, and

1008
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: then the third one? Fire off in the distance.

1009
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: Baby by the way, Small small world. It got the

1010
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: actor Crispin Glover that plays his dad. That's my cousin

1011
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: A couple of times removed.

1012
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, on my.

1013
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no idea. I don't talk to him.

1014
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: I got when I lived in la and went to college.

1015
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: I got introduced to him. But his grandmother and my

1016
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: grandmother were very very close. But that's the Norwegian side

1017
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: of my of my family is We've got this distant

1018
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: relationship me and Crispin Glover, which is kind.

1019
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: Of funny, interesting, you know. And I'm also from my

1020
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: mom's from the Friezelands of Norway and all of that area,

1021
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: like sixty eight percent Scandinavian in my blood. Yeah, I

1022
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: want to go there. I'd like to go there and

1023
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 3: check it out. Yeah, exactly. I read a book and

1024
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: it was all about Iceland. Brandon Webb, who runs Soft

1025
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 3: Rep Has Cold Fear. That was out and I do

1026
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 3: the voice I served it.

1027
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: I learned both those him and John Mann. In fact,

1028
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny, I'm gonna say this on this podcast.

1029
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: I apologize to Brandon's co author, John He emailed me

1030
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: a while ago to tell me he was coming through

1031
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: Nashville and I was out of town and I owe him,

1032
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: so John, if you're watching, I apologize. Rad just reminded me.

1033
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: I've got an email sitting in my feel terrible. But

1034
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: those are great books, and they've got Iceland and.

1035
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: Exactly, and I read I read that I was the

1036
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: voice for Finn, right, and so I read that really yeah,

1037
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 3: and so there's blind fears coming out and so that

1038
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 3: that's another thing. But Finn I had to learn all

1039
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: of these Icelandic words, and when I started learning them,

1040
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: I just started saying them just came Now. You just

1041
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 3: started coming out like the Field, yeah, exactly, Rakovic and

1042
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: all these different names. And I was just say, I

1043
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: gotta go there, even if it's not there's no casino.

1044
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 3: I want to go see.

1045
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 4: There's no anything in the Hot Springs you can do.

1046
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 4: They make those bad ass SUVs. They've got all those

1047
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 4: Toyota High Lux pickups where they flare out the wheel

1048
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 4: wells and all this kind of stuff, and they're all

1049
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 4: jacked up and you can do these great off road

1050
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 4: trips up there. I want to go too, there's you

1051
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 4: can get there. You can bounce from New York really,

1052
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 4: really easily. So you're in Salt Lake. I used to

1053
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 4: live in Park City or not Talta. You're in Utah.

1054
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 3: I used to live Sandy.

1055
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 4: I'm in san but you're in Sandy.

1056
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: Okay.

1057
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: Both my kids were born in Salt Lake. My wife

1058
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: was a doctor for the US ski team and for

1059
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: the University of Utah health System. So I spent about

1060
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: eight years out there.

1061
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 4: Was great. And it's funny because that's where Jack Carr

1062
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 4: lives now is just Park City.

1063
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: He's my neighbor.

1064
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, just down the road.

1065
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: We both have a rock chimney. I'm sure everybody in

1066
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: Utah rock chimney fireplace all day, every day, even in July.

1067
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 3: What is in July? It's one hundred and four outside.

1068
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 3: But you know what, that's a real background. Okay, that's

1069
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 3: why you know, just for you the fire is going

1070
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: at home, but and the snowboards are right there. I'm

1071
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: ready to go ride any day anytime, you know. You know, Brad,

1072
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: this is what I love about what I get to

1073
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 3: do and why Brandon I think asked me to host

1074
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: these engagements with you guys coming on the shows and authors,

1075
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: and I really appreciate having these candid, open conversations talking

1076
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 3: just about a little bit of everything, showing that you're

1077
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: a real person. I'm a real person. You put your

1078
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: mind to what you want to do and you get

1079
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 3: it done. And I saw somebody show luck and it

1080
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: was them working out. They're like, oh this body, Oh

1081
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: what luck do I have? Let me show you my luck.

1082
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: And it's just them trudging along and sweating with luck.

1083
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 3: And so, like you said, you called out Jocko, He's like,

1084
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Speaker 3: work harder, grind harder, do it, do what you want.

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Speaker 4: Nobody cares work harder.

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Speaker 3: Yep, no one cares more about you than you.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, don't complain. Work harder exactly the average person,

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Speaker 1: the average personal. Complain the above average personal work harder.

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Speaker 3: It's that simple, that's right. So I'm just gonna wind

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Speaker 3: us down and let you get back. I know you

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00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: got book signings to do, and we're gonna hand it

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Speaker 3: back Friday. I gotta Friday.

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Speaker 1: I gotta pick. I gotta pick a magic uh magic guy.

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Speaker 1: These are too deep. Here one in the middle, the

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Speaker 1: one in the middle right there, Okay, so the.

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Speaker 4: One behind it. You've got expensive taste.

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Speaker 3: That's a.

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Speaker 1: One of those is a Pappy van Winkle in the

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Speaker 1: back row, So I think that's writer's tears.

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Speaker 3: I think Japanese right there, look at the helmet on

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Speaker 3: the Oh yeah, huh hey, right here, here's my cup.

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Speaker 3: Just go ahead and just put a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But I got that for I got that for Father's Day,

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Speaker 1: that Japanese whiskey. And it's really cool because it's got

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Speaker 1: this samurai armor.

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Speaker 4: So he's got the full.

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Speaker 1: Mask and he's got the top part coming up, so

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Speaker 1: you have to take the helmet off to actually get

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Speaker 1: into the booze.

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Speaker 4: It's really cool. My daughter gave me that for Father's Day,

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Speaker 4: so I did something right as a dad.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, that's legit. That's the legit. You can hear

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Speaker 3: you go, dad, see, I'll see you in the morning.

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Speaker 4: It beats a tie. It beats the old Father's.

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Speaker 3: Day tile exactly. Samurai whiskey.

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Speaker 1: Bro very cool.

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Speaker 3: Well, Brad, you're a wonderful guest. You're a very nice person.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad I've gotten to know you over these last

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Speaker 3: couple of segments that we've done together. There's more ahead,

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Speaker 3: so thank you for being a part of Soft rep everybody,

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Speaker 3: go check out bradthor dot com and check out Deadfall,

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00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 3: which is his book coming out July twenty fifth. It'll

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Speaker 3: probably be out by the time this comes out, so

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Speaker 3: go find it anywhere books are sold, especially local bookstores

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Speaker 3: if they're carrying it. And you never know, these guys

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Speaker 3: like to travel around the country and do these book

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Speaker 3: signings without knowing around, and they sign these things in

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Speaker 3: the airport, so you might just want to stop off

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Speaker 3: at the airports and see if his book is there

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Speaker 3: and get it because a flight with that book is

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Speaker 3: probably going to be the best. So thanks aaan, You're

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Speaker 3: very welcome, Brad, and thanks to your people for sending

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Speaker 3: you my way again. I really appreciate it. And this

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Speaker 3: is rad saying check out our merch store. Thanks Brandon Webb.

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Speaker 2: Peace use the listening to a sink red Radia