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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is July sixteenth, twenty twenty five, and

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Speaker 1: I knew this sounds crazy, but did the Annabelle Doll

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Speaker 1: just kill somebody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to this edition of Amy and TJ. And Robes.

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Speaker 2: This is a tragedy.

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Speaker 3: It is a sad story about the death of a

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Speaker 3: fifty four year old man. But this was a sudden,

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Speaker 3: unexpected and now unexplained death. And the unexplained part is

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Speaker 3: where now people are filling in the blanks and they're

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Speaker 3: explaining it by saying that the Annabelle Doll.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that doll had something to do with it.

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Speaker 4: That's right, because it wasn't just any fifty four year

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Speaker 4: old man. It was fifty four year old Dan Rivera,

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Speaker 4: who was the man in charge of handling the actual,

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Speaker 4: the real Annabelle Doll and taking this doll on a

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Speaker 4: tour across America. And after he wrapped up a three

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Speaker 4: day tour in Pencil in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, that afternoon, by

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Speaker 4: eight o'clock that night, this is Sunday night, he was

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Speaker 4: found unresponsive and declared dead by paramedics in his hotel room,

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Speaker 4: just hours after the tour wrapped in Gettysburg.

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Speaker 3: And it doesn't even matter to folks that police are

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Speaker 3: saying there's nothing suspicious about the death, meaning there was

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Speaker 3: nobody else in the room. There didn't seem to be

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Speaker 3: any foul play. Who knows what it was, but someone

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Speaker 3: was there trying to give him CPR. But of course

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Speaker 3: everybody's wondering did that doll have something to do with it?

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Speaker 3: Now I'm sitting here talking about this. You and I

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Speaker 3: are huge horror movie fans, and I probably is it

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Speaker 3: fair to say this is our favorite horror movie franchise of.

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Speaker 4: All time, without a doubt that the Conjuring series is

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Speaker 4: by far, hands down our favorite horror movie series.

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Speaker 3: It's also the most successful, it is, guys, in horror

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Speaker 3: movie history, So it's a big deal. So I'll keep

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Speaker 3: we just saying, Annabelle, I think everybody knows what we're

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Speaker 3: talking about with this doll here, right. So I didn't

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Speaker 3: actually realize that they toured with the doll. The doll

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Speaker 3: has been kept in a museum in a box if

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Speaker 3: you will, in Connecticut and supposed to be protected, if

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Speaker 3: you will, but they do take it out on tours.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know it hit the road.

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Speaker 5: I didn't either.

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Speaker 4: It's called the Devil on the Run tour and Dan

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Speaker 4: Rivera is actually the lead investigator for the New England

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Speaker 4: Society for Psychic Research.

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Speaker 5: This is a real society that.

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Speaker 4: Was actually founded back in nineteen fifty two by Ed

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Speaker 4: and Lorraine Warren and Dan Rivera. The man who died

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Speaker 4: was a protege of Lorraine Warren. She was his mentor,

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Speaker 4: so to speak, and he took over possession of the

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Speaker 4: doll when Lorraine passed just a few years ago. I

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Speaker 4: know I said that with extra emphasis, yes, But he

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Speaker 4: actually when he took the doll on tour, he talked

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Speaker 4: about the measures he took to protect the crowd and

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Speaker 4: himself from the doll. With the box she was placed in.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this was serious business for him.

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Speaker 2: You know you could do that.

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Speaker 3: But the wood was treated, he said, in the box

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Speaker 3: with holy water. So it's constantly surrounded by holy water.

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Speaker 3: And then it has three crosses, yes, that are in

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Speaker 3: there as well, the Holy Trinity. And he said that

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Speaker 3: is what's used. And that sign you see, I didn't

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Speaker 3: know that was real. But that sign we see in

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Speaker 3: the movie that's on the box that they have in

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Speaker 2: Doll is kept.

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Speaker 3: It says warning was it absolutely do not open.

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Speaker 2: Correct, that's real.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So he starts these tours and by the way,

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Speaker 4: everywhere he's been, it's sold out within moments. When when

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Speaker 4: people find out that Annabelle, the actual Annibal Bell that

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Speaker 4: spawned all of the movies we have watched, is.

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Speaker 5: Coming to their town.

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Speaker 4: Some people are upset about it, and we'll get into that,

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Speaker 4: but it sells out immediately because people are fascinated. And

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Speaker 4: he begins the tour by explaining to the folks who

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Speaker 4: And in this last tour on Gettysburg, he began by

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Speaker 4: Apparently there were some major events that happened the day

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Speaker 3: You know, that tells you something the level of unease

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Speaker 3: it's become such a part of culture. And we all

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Speaker 3: have a fascination with the paranormal, and this is one

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Speaker 4: All And in terms of the legitimizing of this couple,

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Speaker 4: Catholic Church as a demonologist, that is true, and was

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Speaker 4: I think we've all heard about the Amityville Horror. Well

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Speaker 3: So I think without question now certainly with the movies

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Speaker 3: most famous case with this particular artifact. This one doll

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Speaker 3: So this mystery might continue.

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Speaker 2: And even if they come out and.

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Speaker 3: Say, well he had cardiac arrest or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Happened, that's not gonna call anyone's curiosity whatsoever, because yes,

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Speaker 4: that actually would make it seem even more possible, right

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Speaker 4: that Annabel had something to do with it, because people

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Speaker 5: But they have even pointed.

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Speaker 4: his death all the more creepier, all the more scarier.

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Speaker 4: And I don't think you're going to convince folks who

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Speaker 3: This is the perfect story for the times, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's one you can never actually get a definitive answer,

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Speaker 3: never going to believe it. And with social media, now

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Speaker 3: Now, I look, I have seen a lot enough over

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Speaker 2: Even if I didn't see it for myself. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I would lead probably into that camp. I think it

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Speaker 3: paranoia about the paranormal. They actually are blaming these people.

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Speaker 3: Don't take this thing out. It's a dangerous item.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know what, And even if it's possible.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what any of you, our listeners believe

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Speaker 4: I was actually taken aback by one TikTok person who

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Speaker 5: This is pretty creepy.

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Speaker 4: Now that we know what happened on Sunday, or at

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Speaker 4: least we know that Dan Rivera died. This TikToker said,

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Speaker 4: she just burned down a plantation. Why are we doing this?

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Speaker 4: Gettysburg is her next stop. They were actually concerned about

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Speaker 4: I mean, and they were absolutely concerned and worried and

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Speaker 4: asking the tour to stop, ask the tour to end.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And you can say what you want about, well,

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Speaker 3: come on, necessarily, that's ridiculous to think that's responsible. That's fine,

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Speaker 3: But went it's this close right when there? That wasn't

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Speaker 2: Was the last I saw? Did you see anything?

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Speaker 2: A bigger headline.

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Speaker 4: We would have absolutely absolutely seen that reported because that

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Speaker 2: What they say.

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Speaker 3: But again he's been handling it all weekend. Look, the storyline,

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Speaker 3: at least throughout the movies. It was a part of

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Speaker 3: the Conjuring series, but they did their whole annabel series.

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Speaker 3: What three movies annabel annabel Creation, and annabel Comes Home.

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Speaker 5: Correct.

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Speaker 3: We will have you know that most of what you

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Speaker 5: It's made up.

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Speaker 3: It is made up. There's an opening scene that shows

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Speaker 3: Ed and Lorraine, or at least the actor is playing

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Speaker 3: them in a scene talking to some students. That stuff

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Speaker 3: is based in fact. But everything after that, I didn't

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Speaker 2: Like the rest of the movie is all fiction.

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Speaker 5: That's true.

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Speaker 4: But the opening, the very first Conjuring, the one that

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Speaker 4: First Conjuring. We rewatched it last night after we saw

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Speaker 4: this headline is all fairly accurate in terms of the

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Speaker 4: Annabelle story and how it began.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the story how it began. We're gonna get into

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Speaker 2: And also we're talking about Dan Rivera.

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Speaker 3: But believe it or not that is not the only

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Speaker 4: Yes, the friends started to notice the doll making small movements.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they used that tactic in several of the movies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it this all now freaked them out enough

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Speaker 4: Within seconds, the doll was strangling him. I'd be quiet

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Speaker 3: And you know what, I might find myself and feel

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Speaker 3: So what a legacy. So such a sad, sad, tragic story.

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Speaker 3: And there's debate and discussion like this around it. Some

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Speaker 3: of it's a little harsher and some of the jokes

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Speaker 3: that are out there and people being mean about who

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Speaker 3: they want the doll to go out. I've seen that

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Speaker 3: some of that shit, yes, but it just bottom lines

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Speaker 3: a track right now, and somebody lost somebody they loved.

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Speaker 4: That's such an important point that shouldn't be lost in

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Speaker 4: a story like this. But you know, it remains to

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Speaker 4: be seen where Annabel will end up, if she'll go

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Speaker 4: back to where she was, if she'll continue on tour.

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Speaker 4: Of course, we'll keep our eye on the situation. But

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Speaker 4: it is a fascinating story, a tragic story, and just

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Speaker 4: want to thank you for taking the time to listen

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Speaker 4: to it and to us. And with that, I'm Amy

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Speaker 4: robot on behalf of my partner TJ.

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Speaker 5: Holmes.

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Speaker 4: Stay safe, everybody,