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Speaker 1: It's International Fight Week UFC two ninety one of the

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Speaker 1: if not the supposed to be anyway premier nights in

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Speaker 1: all of the nights that UFC has in a calendar year,

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Speaker 1: eleven years after the very first International Fight Week? Is

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Speaker 1: that still true? Here are three dumbasses, oldest shit, none

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Speaker 1: of whom are going to that event to tell you

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Speaker 1: if that's true or not. That's Brian Campbell, That's the

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Speaker 1: iceman himself, Chuck Benonhull.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: This is the official UFC two ninety pre game preview.

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Speaker 2: How are we doing, gents?

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Speaker 3: I'm a little bit more fired up for the Friday

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Speaker 3: night offering July seventh of Power Slap three.

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Speaker 4: Which way is that really? That is a real thing?

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Speaker 2: That's how much? Here's the question.

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Speaker 1: Is that officially part of the fight week experience? Because

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Speaker 1: the fight week experience goes from the Monday to the Sunday?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Is it part of that? Like? Yes? Wow?

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Speaker 5: You like it being tethered to the UFC, like this

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Speaker 5: Soul Slap fight you like that.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what the UFC is doing half the time,

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Speaker 1: so no, that would not be your my favorite thing.

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Speaker 2: But here we are boys, So I was digging into

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Speaker 2: this a little bit.

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Speaker 1: The very first International Fight Week was in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 1: and shouts to the guys, we love them.

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Speaker 2: Shouts to the video about it.

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Speaker 1: Emmam point has one where they basically explained it was

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Speaker 1: trying to solve a problem in Las Vegas, and the

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Speaker 1: problem was for not New Year's even quite the opposite,

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Speaker 1: but for fourth of July, the city was having a

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Speaker 1: little bit difficulty attracting tourism, which is obviously a huge

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Speaker 1: part of their economy. So they worked with the city.

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Speaker 1: They did some economics days about what they could bring,

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Speaker 1: and they were right. They ended up doing these events.

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Speaker 1: They have ufc X, which is the giant expo that

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Speaker 1: takes place a couple of days outside of the fights,

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Speaker 1: all of these pool parties and pub crawls and meet

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Speaker 1: and greets and everything else. And it ended up bringing

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Speaker 1: consistently year of a year, with the one exception for

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Speaker 1: the pandemic, a fair amount of money.

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Speaker 2: Here we are chuck eleven years into it. So let's

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Speaker 2: answer ask.

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Speaker 1: I should say, the basic question here is International Fight

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Speaker 1: Week eleven years on a success?

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Speaker 2: Man, That's such a great question.

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Speaker 5: The truth is too like it's it seemed like a

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Speaker 5: bigger deal early on, But this could be just because

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Speaker 5: we used to go to this and when the UFC

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Speaker 5: was kind of coming up, it felt like a bigger

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Speaker 5: deal because it did attract all that and you'd have

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Speaker 5: like all the legends or I don't know if you

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Speaker 5: ever walked around the expole Hall.

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Speaker 2: But you would see everybody in there, everybody all you know.

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Speaker 5: So it's kind of like, especially with the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 5: once it became part of it and all of that stuff,

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Speaker 5: it felt like a bigger deal.

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Speaker 2: This one hasn't really struck me a that way yet.

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Speaker 5: But uh, I don't know if that's just because honestly,

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Speaker 5: like I'm not attending it, or if it's just it

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Speaker 5: just you get used to it or something like that.

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Speaker 5: But it hasn't struck me as like a big a

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Speaker 5: big deal this year, has it?

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Speaker 2: You guys?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't really feel like they kind of,

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Speaker 5: you know, go in like they used to.

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Speaker 3: I think the events are still in place for it

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Speaker 3: to feel like a major. If there are majors in

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Speaker 3: the UFC calendar, right, this is certainly one of them,

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Speaker 3: you know, in fact, maybe the biggest one, maybe the

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Speaker 3: go to one where you're like, that's an event.

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Speaker 4: If I go there for the week, I get the

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame the convention.

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Speaker 3: Because basically you get an unadulterated fan access, which is great.

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Speaker 3: But what we're really asking here is has the card

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Speaker 3: the one two and sometimes one two three punch atop

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Speaker 3: the card? Has that made this one and really the

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Speaker 3: last two or three combined.

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Speaker 4: Truly feel like a special major.

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Speaker 3: I liked UFC two hundred, for example, when they had

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Speaker 3: the yellow canvas. It felt different. They also had three

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Speaker 3: events that week instead of just one. I think it

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Speaker 3: ultimately comes down to if you have that main or

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Speaker 3: that main and comaine combo that just screams, must see

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Speaker 3: stop the presses. It's Connor, it's John Jones, it's Cormier,

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Speaker 3: it's you know, whoever is big in the moment, then

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Speaker 3: it feels that way.

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Speaker 4: We've got a fantastic main event.

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Speaker 3: We've got a card that I think top to bottom

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Speaker 3: is very good but still might fall short of IFW comparisons,

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Speaker 3: but that one two three punch or bang that's not

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Speaker 3: there the hair this year, and you know, to be fair, sometimes.

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Speaker 4: You need that bolt of lighting.

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Speaker 3: E McGregor or that matchup like a DC Jones two,

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Speaker 3: which was supposed to be what we didn't get at

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Speaker 3: two hundred, to really make it feel that extra.

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Speaker 4: Is that a fair statement.

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty fair.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the the way I would look at it

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Speaker 1: is if the UFC partnered with the city of Las

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Speaker 1: Vegas to solve an economic problem, I think that I

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Speaker 1: would argue that they have have not solved it, they

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Speaker 1: have meaningfully contributed to making Fourth of July different in

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas.

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Speaker 2: I think UFC deserves a lot of credit for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and all of these other events that they put on,

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Speaker 1: and and and again, Like these are multi day affairs

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Speaker 1: and places who are taking part in it. So on

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Speaker 1: that level, I think International Fight Week has been a

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Speaker 1: grand success. The question is year to year, how have

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Speaker 1: the cards been, And.

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Speaker 5: They've been either really good or just incase they've had

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Speaker 5: some bad luck with some of those parts, plenty of vague.

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Speaker 1: UFC two hundred is a hue. Remember that's what's the

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Speaker 1: ideas and Connor and then that felt through. Then was

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Speaker 1: John Jones and Cormier, and then that felt through.

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Speaker 3: I wrote a story for CBS Sports that we actually

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Speaker 3: updated I think three separate times and basically said that

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Speaker 3: for eight straight years, the manor co made that was

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Speaker 3: initially announced to bring people in was canceled or altered.

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Speaker 3: And obviously UFC two hundred was an all different thing altogether.

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Speaker 4: But they were a little bit quicker, more nimble.

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Speaker 3: Back in the day to say, Okay, we got an

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Speaker 3: issue here, let's get Anderson Silva up in the bullpen

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Speaker 3: to fight Cormea.

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Speaker 4: Let's do anything to patch it together.

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Speaker 3: Now it feels like a very good card, but it

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Speaker 4: I would like a return to sort of.

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Speaker 3: Let's we map out the twelve month calendar in the

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Speaker 3: UFC war room and we're hoping right to have McGregor here,

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Speaker 3: We're hoping to have Jones here, We're hoping to.

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Speaker 4: Have these big ticket items.

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Speaker 3: I would like to see a little bit more, you know,

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Speaker 3: advanced setting circle put the biggest names on here to

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Speaker 3: all be the same travel wise, which is really what

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Speaker 3: this is about for tours and bring people in, But

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Speaker 3: in terms of that feeling giant, like that thing is

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Speaker 4: I don't know if we felt that out.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't even know who those who are the people

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Speaker 5: that they could put on it to make it feel

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Speaker 5: point in time, like if Connor's not fighting, you know

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Speaker 5: what I'm saying. And I don't even John Jones, he's

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Speaker 5: often over who what could they put on it?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, to be fair, if this was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as long as they were willing to pay for it,

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Speaker 2: Now was here the thing?

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Speaker 1: Like, I want to give UFC a credit because to

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Speaker 1: your point, it's not an elite card, but it is

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Speaker 1: a good card.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a very respectable card.

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Speaker 1: And again on the economic contribution front, I think UFC

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Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit. But in a world where

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Speaker 1: the most recent estimates are that they're paying thirteen percent

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Speaker 1: of gross REV to the athletes, you know, it's just

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Speaker 1: like if money is what's holding these fights up, then

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Speaker 1: the UFC does deserve some blame for not being able

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Speaker 1: stead of your rotation. I don't think that's necessarily unfair.

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean, look, if the comaane or the third

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Speaker 3: a different pay per view, I think you could come

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Speaker 3: in to hear feeling that old ifwbus maybe if you

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Speaker 3: added that to the group that's already there, But again

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Speaker 3: Lee one, and that certainly did. But I know we're

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty sixteen because that was about the sale, right,

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Speaker 3: it was about how great can we be in this

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Speaker 3: short season? But I do expect a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: But with that said, do we hate this card? No

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Speaker 3: very good pay per view card? Actually in a main

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Speaker 4: Why can I sit right now?

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Speaker 2: That would just man spread that?

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Speaker 3: I mean that at some point is it illegal what

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Speaker 3: I'm doing right now? I am just right now going

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Speaker 2: Just don't do what you do at the bus stop

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Speaker 2: and keep your pants.

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Speaker 3: Up for for the women we're on that main event?

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Speaker 4: Okay position, Yeah, that's not.

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Speaker 5: But it kind of it does bring up like the

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Speaker 5: other point about Volkanowski in general, like as as a

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Speaker 5: as a featherweights just has been untouchable. The guys he's

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Speaker 5: is still largely unsung. The fact that we are talking

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Speaker 5: it's weird.

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Speaker 2: With him.

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Speaker 1: It's glad you brought that up because the argument has

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Speaker 1: always been, hey, look who has been a part of

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Speaker 1: International Fight Week. In fact, if you go the original

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve one, it was the rematch between Anderson Silva

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Speaker 1: on there. See all these big names. Here's the interesting part.

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Speaker 5: I think in the past they've always tried to attract

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Speaker 3: The ESPN deal and where they're at and what they're

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Speaker 4: They're they're trying to do that anymore.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So let's talk about Alexander Bolkanowski there, Iceman, Sure,

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Speaker 1: where is he heading into this?

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Speaker 2: Because I think he's about thirty four years.

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Speaker 1: Aside from how infested with bugs the studio is, give

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Speaker 2: Where is he? I mean going back.

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Speaker 5: I just hope that people when he came out of

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Speaker 5: When he fights, it's like an astonishment, like you watch me, like,

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Speaker 5: where people are expecting him to roll, especially against He's

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Speaker 5: We've seen him lose, We've seen guys who've had his

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Speaker 5: Volkanowski should just roll. He's been able to do that

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Speaker 5: with guys who've beaten, you know, Rodriguez. But it's so dangerous, man,

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Speaker 5: It's just so dangerous because, yeah, especially in his last

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Speaker 5: he's honed in, Like, I think he's kind of at

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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure.

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Speaker 4: Division's that. I think he's past bored even.

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Speaker 3: Or look, I think this this fight is part of

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Speaker 3: I think for me, it's what I love about this

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Speaker 3: He's spent up for a while. But that loss is

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Speaker 3: It's still a win for Volkanovsky because of how.

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Speaker 4: Much he impressed us.

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Speaker 3: So he's coming in like number one pound for pound,

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Speaker 2: Luke? If it happens, is it fair.

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Speaker 4: To say we're.

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Speaker 3: Saying I want I want to ask you two questions

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Speaker 4: I think echoes what you're saying. Could this put him above.

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Speaker 3: Above although as the greatest featherweight of all time you know,

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Speaker 3: right now from literally being in that upper room of

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Speaker 3: the all time greats? Because we did an exercise recently

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Speaker 4: So yeah, and I think if you really break it down.

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Speaker 1: That's a tough one because it's just a definition or

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Speaker 1: I would say that I think Volkanowski is certainly a

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Speaker 1: But the thing for me is, in order for me

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Speaker 3: But isn't But this is my point. Isn't beating Yayear

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Speaker 4: Is there more?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, so positing that I think he would be.

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Speaker 5: I just think that it's it's always tough too, because

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Speaker 3: Also, I think all those run a bandamweight has to

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Speaker 2: That changes everything here.

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Speaker 3: Not only is it the last remaining killer that Volkanowski

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Speaker 3: we could talk ourselves into potential.

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Speaker 4: Like, we're all gonna favor Volkowski. I think he's the

441
00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,399
Speaker 4: best fighter in the world. We're all gonna you know,

442
00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,720
Speaker 4: the odds are going to be close, but you're all

443
00:17:58,760 --> 00:17:59,600
Speaker 4: going to probably mean.

444
00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,320
Speaker 3: Volkanovsk right, But this is the last remaining guy who

445
00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,320
Speaker 3: you're like, outside of a fluke, outside of it going

446
00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,040
Speaker 3: perfect for them, that he might be able to come

447
00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,520
Speaker 3: in here and cleanly take the title from Volcanos, like

448
00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,040
Speaker 3: convincingly come here and do it. Yeah, your's the last

449
00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:12,800
Speaker 3: He's the last moggan in that regard.

450
00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,960
Speaker 2: Correct, Well, yes to no.

451
00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,199
Speaker 1: I mean we're recording this at a time where we

452
00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,840
Speaker 1: don't actually know the results of the Ilio Taporia.

453
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Speaker 4: Josh, there's always another hammer knocking at the door.

454
00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,440
Speaker 1: There's always another and that's one of the interesting part

455
00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:25,959
Speaker 1: of this. It's like, I gotta be honest. I mean,

456
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,480
Speaker 1: if he loses again, that's if it's sorry, if Volkanowski

457
00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,879
Speaker 1: loses again. The conversation is extremely different. But if he wins,

458
00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,480
Speaker 1: there's really big questions like would not what he wants?

459
00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,320
Speaker 1: But what would you want for Volkanowski in that case?

460
00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,399
Speaker 1: Would you want him, with his time remaining at thirty

461
00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,640
Speaker 1: five ish years of age, to be fighting one fifty

462
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Speaker 1: five or would you like him to stay at one

463
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Speaker 1: forty five and fight the Tuporias and everyone?

464
00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,560
Speaker 5: Well, if it was Taori, I would love to see

465
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Speaker 5: that fight. I mean, that's just it's I cantalize.

466
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Speaker 1: Man, this conversation may be weird because maybe get stretched

467
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Speaker 1: in thirty seconds, assume he wins, Assuming he wins post

468
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Speaker 1: this conversation, Yeah, I would love to see Volkanowski fight

469
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,200
Speaker 1: guy like that. Yeah, only if it's guys like that,

470
00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,600
Speaker 1: it would have to be those guys that are you know,

471
00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,000
Speaker 1: up what am I saying? I'm actually talking? No, Yes,

472
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Speaker 1: I would love to see him fight to Poria, but BC, Yeah,

473
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,480
Speaker 1: what would you rather see Volk versus Taporia gave in

474
00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,440
Speaker 1: a world where t Poorio wins or Volc versus Charles

475
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:16,959
Speaker 1: o Lavera?

476
00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:18,440
Speaker 2: How are we not like? No?

477
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,359
Speaker 3: Volk versus the lightweight division is the answer, not just

478
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Speaker 3: because lightweight's great and there's so many instantly awesome matchups

479
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,760
Speaker 3: you can make, but I believe there at some point

480
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,719
Speaker 3: becomes diminishing returns when you hang around dominating a division

481
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,000
Speaker 3: too long, you know, when you're starting to beat the

482
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Speaker 3: second tier for the second time again, you know, and

483
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 3: you're getting rematches just well, that's the only guy that

484
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:37,159
Speaker 3: is close enough to you.

485
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's necessarily there yet.

486
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Speaker 3: And yes, there could be names on the come up,

487
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,399
Speaker 3: like a Tuporia that well, if he hung around, man,

488
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 3: I wouldn't hate that, of course nobody would. But at

489
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Speaker 3: some point, what else does he have to gain? He

490
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 3: beat all every legend he could. He's even trying to

491
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 3: get Connor in the ring, just so that there's not

492
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 3: one featherweight champion left that he hasn't fought yet be

493
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Speaker 3: And I think that, you know, obviously, there's some elements

494
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,199
Speaker 3: of I want to be I want to get rich

495
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,680
Speaker 3: and famous in the process and doing. But that's also

496
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 3: I like that that's him saying I will round it out.

497
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,360
Speaker 3: I do think there has to be a point where

498
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 3: he says I've done it. And if I think after

499
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 3: being Max the third time, he could have said that,

500
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, he could have done that. Okay, yeah,

501
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,360
Speaker 3: you're his last remaining guy, do that, but he has

502
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 3: to move up next. I think his words have echoed that.

503
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 3: And I think even more than that, the performance against

504
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,439
Speaker 3: Machev and the fact that he was not swallowed up

505
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,120
Speaker 3: by the wrestling, beyond the fact that you can argue

506
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,920
Speaker 3: that he want beyond that fact, the fact that he

507
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,439
Speaker 3: went in there to the man's strength, the wrestling that

508
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 3: was dominating everybody and swam with him there, right, And

509
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 3: that shows you more than anything, because it does feel

510
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 3: like Islam's up here and all the other great lightweights

511
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 3: are like right here ish right, they're still kind of

512
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 3: looking up at his at the talent disparity and in

513
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,360
Speaker 3: the run he'side. Just now, there's levels to the leveling

514
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,920
Speaker 3: of the levels that I'm doing here. But dude, yes,

515
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,679
Speaker 3: it's time and I think in your and you have

516
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 3: to definitely know when to move, when to make that move.

517
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Speaker 4: And I think this is the you know, if anything,

518
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:55,479
Speaker 4: it might be even a little bit.

519
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 5: The truth is, I think he adds a dimension to

520
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,919
Speaker 5: the lightweight division which would make it fun again, like

521
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,400
Speaker 5: and not that it's not fun, but like when you're

522
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,199
Speaker 5: about to say again it's not fun. But like a

523
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 5: lot of the guys that are at the top and

524
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 5: that top six or seven, either Faine or they've just

525
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 5: kind of faced each other. You throw another guy in there,

526
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 5: it just kind of throws a new coat of paint

527
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 5: on it, right, Like where all of a sudden, it's

528
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 5: like you've got fresh matchups all over the place. So

529
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 5: I would like to see it on that level. You know,

530
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 5: you think about the gay cheese and all these guys

531
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 5: who are just hovering in that space. You could plug

532
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 5: in any of those and Volkovski, I mean, it's a

533
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 5: fascinating fight, you know.

534
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 1: So let's let's positive scenario where we're not talking about

535
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 1: any of this. Let's I want to talk about it

536
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: from ya your side in a moment, but first called

537
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 1: the Volkovsky side.

538
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 2: Right, So let's say he loses. Now what now? What? Chuck? Now?

539
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 2: Where are we reshape the landscape? For me?

540
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: You're talking about probably almost certainly an immediate rematch, right.

541
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 3: That's well, I don't want to say almost certainly. The

542
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 3: Max Holloway factor has you can't be overlooked, dude.

543
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 2: It's the number one pound for pound guy in the sport.

544
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 3: I get that but Max, it's true, and the opportunities

545
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 3: he said separate from Volkanovski in the past few years

546
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 3: has looked to be super elite. So he already fought

547
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 3: Yeah here, right, but it was a great fight and

548
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 3: it was close, and if Yeah here's the champion, I

549
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 3: just feel like, if you're a UFC, the only way

550
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 3: you're ever going to make Volkanowski Holloway work again is

551
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: if Holloway wins the championship and they're running that back

552
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 3: with Holloway as.

553
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 4: The champion, So you would give that what's.

554
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 2: Been Who the hell with Volkanowski?

555
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 3: If I waiting for them, he'd have to wait for them,

556
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 3: or he'd have to take a one off at lightweight

557
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 3: or whatever. Under that scenario. I don't think he stays,

558
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 3: is what I'm saying. If he loses to Year, I

559
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 3: think I think you.

560
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: Think he goes to fifty five. No matter what I do.

561
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 3: I think it'd be more likely that he would stay

562
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 3: if he loses, not just because he might competitively want

563
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 3: to run it back against Ya Year and there's the

564
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 3: opportunity of going to Mexico.

565
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 4: And doing that and making it even bigger.

566
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 3: But I also don't think you can count out, just

567
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 3: like the UFC could have done with Whittaker. They could

568
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 3: have shoved Robert Whittaker in between the two between the

569
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: two out of Sonia versus Poeton fights, but they didn't.

570
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 3: I think Halloway's at a different level than Whittaker in

571
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 3: terms of the hierarchy of the star value and how

572
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: the UFC perceives him. I do think it's possible that

573
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 3: if YA wins and it's not it's not like disputed

574
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 3: enough where you're like, I need to see it back

575
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 3: go right away, that he would get that chance, because

576
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 3: wouldn't that be again, the only way you can make

577
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 3: Volkanops versus all Away four happen if the company wanted to.

578
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think you lose, is what I'm saying.

579
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 3: Giving Max a chance to fight for it next. I

580
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: don't think there's any way you lose with all this match.

581
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 2: I just don't think. Okay, I don't think that. I don't.

582
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.

583
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I see what you're saying for like long

584
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: term play, but I just feel like if he got upset,

585
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: they would want to run that way things. That's also

586
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 1: because it gets back to these existential questions you had

587
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: raised you were positing before. Well, what if he wins? Okay, well,

588
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: now what if he loses? What does that mean for

589
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: him all the time at featherweight? That would be kind

590
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: of bad. That would change, That would change the conversation,

591
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: certainly for the goat. Now if he rematched against yeah,

592
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: hear and then got it back, He's still in contention

593
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: for a lot of these things, but it dramatically shifts

594
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: the conversation on that level.

595
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: Still, let's talk about your ear. Rodriguez takes the shine

596
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: off too if he goes in lightweight on a lot.

597
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: Right on a loss, exactly unless the judge is screw,

598
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: which is a little bit different, but you get the idea.

599
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, he.

600
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 4: Used to play rugby a like I think two fifty.

601
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 2: If you've heard the yeah kilos keylos.

602
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: Not even pounds any of the are stilla guerrillas, gentlemen,

603
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: Before I slap you both, let's talk about Yery Rodriguez. Here.

604
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 5: Are you as amazed by his turnaround as I am? Well,

605
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 5: how amazed are you? I don't I'm not sure I'd

606
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 5: say an eight solid. I am fairly to be honest,

607
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 5: and I mean I can point out a couple of

608
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 5: times where I kind of wrote him off as a

609
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 5: guy you wouldn't really.

610
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: Consider as a title contender at all, you know.

611
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 5: So in that sense, yes, And it's crazy because it

612
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 5: feels like he has been around Forever's a little bit

613
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 5: like Max Holloway in the sense like it feels like

614
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 5: he's been around forever. He's only thirty years old. You know,

615
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 5: he doesn't have nearly the wear and tear of some

616
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 5: of the guys. H He hasn't had, you know, a

617
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 5: million fights like some of the guys. So I feel

618
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 5: like he's got a lot to go, but to put

619
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 5: it together as he has and become that guy like

620
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 5: now wearing the interim champ. But I'm like to get

621
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 5: to this point is Yeah, it's surprising to me. We

622
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 5: see this occasionally where guys they've been right under your

623
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 5: nose forever and suddenly they become that guy. Uh, and

624
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 5: he's the latest. But I mean I never saw it coming.

625
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 5: I never saw it coming.

626
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: BC.

627
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: Give me your best theory as to how, yeah, you

628
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: got so good at this point.

629
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 3: Well, I think there's some surface level comparisons to what

630
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: happened to Charles Oliver it's different though there wasn't a

631
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: second weight class involved, but they both had certain levels

632
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 3: of maturity. Look, if you stay there's so many you

633
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: can be a name long before you really figure this

634
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 3: game out. Right, We've seen that before. Some don't ever

635
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 3: quite figure it out.

636
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 4: Some do, but.

637
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 3: It's sometimes when they're like thirty four and they get

638
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 3: a short season of oh are they a quasi title contender?

639
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 3: He's finding it out at the right time. I think

640
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: it's a combination of maturity. It's a combination of getting

641
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 3: to a point where you say, no, not only do

642
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 3: I need to give one hundred percent to be at

643
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 3: my very best, I can't coast any more in certain categories,

644
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 3: But what would it look like if I win all

645
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 3: in on every category. I think that's what happened to

646
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 3: Charles olivera and suddenly it was just the mixture of

647
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 3: confidence with the right weight class, everything at the right time,

648
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 3: learning better things about nutrition and discipline and all that.

649
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 3: I think some of that is true with the Aya Rodriguez,

650
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: and I think also he's leaning on his strength fighting.

651
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: He's dangerous as shit, not different from Oliver He does

652
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 3: put himself in dangerous spots, but I think he's also

653
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: figured out how to just be as efficient and dangerous

654
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: as possible, and he doesn't come in with wild, ridiculous

655
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: strikes that leave him open.

656
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 4: It's very calculated.

657
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 3: But once I think everything came together, that technique gets

658
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 3: ramped up. When you add the confidence, when you add

659
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: the better defensive you know, realist.

660
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 4: You just add the full package. Dude, it's happening. It's

661
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 4: his time. Everyone shows flashes.

662
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 3: It's those that can finally take the loss, to take

663
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 3: the setbacks and put it together.

664
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 4: He's put it together.

665
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 5: Now.

666
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: Is there a secret underneath that as to why was

667
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 3: there a turning point in his growth as the men?

668
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 4: I'm not really sure, Luke.

669
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 3: I don't look back and say there's well, it was

670
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: that one loss that changed him right and for the better.

671
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 3: He just may have woken up at the right time.

672
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 3: Just say I can't coast anymore. I mean guys like him,

673
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: And I don't know this enough to throw that theory

674
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: out there, but I'm saying at some point people find

675
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 3: early success, they kind of start coasting, and so they

676
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 3: go to realize, oh wait, to get to that next level,

677
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 3: it takes an additional level of discipline.

678
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 5: He's always been a little nomadic. You remember, earlier in

679
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 5: his career, he kind of bounced around cams. He would

680
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 5: travel around, and some people I think, I don't know

681
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 5: if this was just immaturity, but I think a lot

682
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 5: of people thought he kind of had an attitude problem.

683
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: You know, like you talk to people who had been around.

684
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 5: Him, and he didn't fit and for whatever reason, there's

685
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 5: just no chemistry.

686
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: I feel like that has changed.

687
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 5: Like he was fighting out in Mexico City, I think

688
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 5: it was the Jeremy Stevens fight, and he was training

689
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 5: like up at twelve thousand feet or something like he was,

690
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 5: And I remember talking to him at that point, and

691
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 5: you could tell that he was just dedicated in a

692
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 5: new way. And it's hard to actually pinpoint that very thing,

693
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 5: but it seemed like he was just very very serious

694
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 5: about his craft now, and I think that he just

695
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 5: wasn't like that before. If you talk to him back

696
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 5: in his earlier days, he was a very young guy,

697
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 5: and I just don't think he had the focus yet,

698
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 5: you know, And I think I don't know when it happened,

699
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 5: but it has happened. I feel like when you talk

700
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 5: to him now, it's just he's turned into that guy

701
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 5: like he's figured it out.

702
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: My best theory is that there's more pressure put on

703
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 3: a young fighter when they are and in his case,

704
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 3: it was like, we're waiting for our first Mexican born superstar.

705
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 3: We're waiting for the one person that can lead this

706
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 3: movement of this boxing culture, rabbit boxing culture in Mexico.

707
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: How do we bring MMA in there?

708
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: I wonder if that led to so much pressure that

709
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: you almost start to push that away. You underachieved for

710
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: a certain season, and once you felt you've outlived that pressure,

711
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: then you're like, Okay, I got through that season. Now

712
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 3: let me let me now on my own terms, let

713
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 3: me go out there and figure it out. It just

714
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: so happens at the timing wise, he fits right in

715
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: the midst of this march of Mexican MMA, and the

716
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 3: takeover takeover slowed by alreadye Aldona's performance tru or false.

717
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 4: Seriously, the momentum of Mexican MMA was slowed by that.

718
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: True.

719
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that whole performance was forgettable. I think you were

720
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: right though, about like what the theory is to me.

721
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: He had an offensive system that everyone praised because it

722
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: was unique and it was and still is, but it

723
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: was wild and untamed and unrefined and full of problems,

724
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: and takedown defense wasn't there even when there was, the

725
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: guard work wasn't really there on his feet to your point, BC,

726
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: leaving it constantly for these high risk jumping switch whatever

727
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: the fuck, and some of them would land, some of

728
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: them wouldn't, right, but like.

729
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: It was inconsistent. You go back to that Josh Emmett fight.

730
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: Dude, he was target practice, you know, I mean everything

731
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: Land did every time nearly and of course he got

732
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: hit a little bit as well, and he took it.

733
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: But nevertheless, I think he just understands his own offensive

734
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: system so much better and what his assignments are in

735
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: this position to get to the next one.

736
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: What are we doing? What's the goal here?

737
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 4: Everything calculated get hit Man rather than a video game.

738
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, everything just seems like he has a clear

739
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: sense of what to do purpose and he just executes

740
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: now much much more efficiently, which is why I do

741
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: think these like a real threat to Bolkanowski.

742
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: Like you, it's a fun story to see him come

743
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: this far.

744
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 1: But then there's a question of how much you consider

745
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: him a threat. I would consider him a serious threat,

746
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: a really serious do.

747
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: You the last serious threat?

748
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

749
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 5: I do, I do, And I think that that's We've

750
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 5: seen this so many times too. A guy finally gets

751
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 5: his position and there's a guy who looks unbeatable and

752
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 5: they get toppled on that sort of thing. It's the setup,

753
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 5: is there. But yeah, man, I he has been dropped

754
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 5: against Endez, he got dropped against Holloway. I don't think

755
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 5: he got drop against all take that scenario could one

756
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 5: hundred percent happen, I mean because he I mean you

757
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 5: talking about how he's more measured and just kind of

758
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 5: like tamed himself down a little ruthless. But yes, but

759
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 5: I think that that you know, you think about that

760
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 5: and how disciplined Volkanovski is And I was just sitting

761
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 5: there thinking about that. That's going to be a very

762
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 5: fascinating in the stand up exchanges and just what they're

763
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 5: doing back and forth is going to be fascinating. But dude,

764
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 5: I mean, I could see it one hundred percent. Yeah,

765
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 5: you're catching him and putting him on skates and that's it.

766
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 5: You know, that's just that's a scenario. Employe. Man, I

767
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 5: don't know, I don't know what the odds are, but

768
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 5: I know that he's uh, you know, it's it's a

769
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 5: dangerous it's a dangerous proposition.

770
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: Well, the thing that I love about Volkanovsky that has

771
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: been I think the wild card in me because you know,

772
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: early on there were people that seemed to be ahead

773
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: of it.

774
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 4: You seem to be ahead of watch.

775
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: It's kind of Volkanowski like, it's next level, right, and

776
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: I and and I wanted to slow that into some degree.

777
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: It was it was the way he navigates danger though,

778
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: the way his the way his body and mind react,

779
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: you know, or taken putting him deep in that joke.

780
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 3: It reacts to like, you know, clear and present danger

781
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: that that came out of nowhere and would overwhelm most people.

782
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: His ability to swim through that makes this matchup, I

783
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: think even better because ya can put him there. I mean,

784
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: look what ya are in a losing effort did to

785
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: Max in those first two rounds, especially that first round. Dude,

786
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: he put it on Max. I thought it took Max

787
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: just biting down to get through that. Nobody's as dangerous

788
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: as Yair in this division, but nobody is really as

789
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 3: great as operating.

790
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 4: Operating with poise under pressure quite like Vulcan.

791
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: I mean, look it's it's remarked, it's maybe not his

792
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: greatest aspect, but it's as elite as his game planning,

793
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 3: footwork as you know, striking technique, all that stuff is.

794
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: Dude, that's a real dude under there. That's an absolute

795
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 4: real dude.

796
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: Not yet, but I mean, obviously I've looked into a

797
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: lot of Volkanowski's fires. Yeah hears, I've been a little

798
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: bit behind on, but I was just watching the Emmitt

799
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: fight again and I was like, dude, he is, like

800
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: the decision making is so much faster, so much clearer,

801
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: less risky, but still brutal.

802
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: Like that was a brutal thing. Yeah, he did to

803
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: Josh Emmett.

804
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: So it's like there's a couple of times he got

805
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: he got, he got hit, and you wonder about those

806
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: against a guy like Bolkanowski, what he could do more regularly.

807
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: But that version of him against Josh Emmett is just

808
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: Jason Voorhees, I mean, marching down almost really kind of frightening.

809
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 4: Away, Chuck, Why don't we call him? Why rod at all?

810
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: I don't know what you know, remember after a rod

811
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 3: anyone with the last name Rodriguez became you know, I

812
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: know I know Chris Rodriguez, se Rod my man, you know, yeah,

813
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: from Bridgeport.

814
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 4: But that doesn't why Rod never happened? Is you think

815
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 4: there's something to that.

816
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: You can call him, Yeah, hear Rod. But that's that's

817
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: really starting to get a little specific, isn't it.

818
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 4: It's getting weird to get a little bit weird.

819
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: You know you mentioned that you mentioned that al Donna

820
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: losing slowed the Mexican thing. You know, as three gringos

821
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: who have our finger on the pulse of what latinos

822
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: in one country thing or in Mexico, do we have

823
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: any sense of I mean, I feel like Mexican MM

824
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: has kind of already arrived. They've got Grosso's a champ.

825
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: Moreno's on this car. We'll talk about him in the second.

826
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: He's a champ.

827
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: Obviously this is an interim title, but I you know, what,

828
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: does it really.

829
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: Becomes the full champion against the number one guy in

830
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 3: the world, this reactivation.

831
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: You know what, You're right to your point, Yes, your point,

832
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: he'd be beating the number one guy in the world.

833
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: That would be a new level of excellence for Mexican MM.

834
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: I do feel like, yeah, it could be a very

835
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: big about Mexican Mma Chuck. The experts that we are

836
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: have been.

837
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: To Mexico City. It's a nice time. I've never been.

838
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: I heard you never heard any.

839
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 4: Thing called sea level chuck before another.

840
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 5: Of our Yeah, yeah, I do think that this would

841
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 5: be This would be the moment though, first too though,

842
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 5: just so you know, I mean, and if they both went,

843
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 5: if Moreno was able to win, I mean, which sets

844
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 5: up a It sets up a pretty big momentum for

845
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 5: the country if.

846
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: They want to have an event down did you did

847
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: you go to you went to Mexicano.

848
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 5: I went down to the Yayer's fight with Steven Switch ended,

849
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 5: Remember they like in the ring?

850
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was cane Ver Doom Night No.

851
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 4: Which was the main event?

852
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: Didn't that was the main event?

853
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: Is that the one where that the one where like

854
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: post fight like screamed at Michael Bisping that's the Yeah.

855
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a weird one. It was a very

856
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 5: strange atmosphere. It was fun.

857
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: It was cool to be in the city.

858
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 5: But I tell you what, man, just being down there

859
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 5: and seeing the pop that he got, I can imagine

860
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 5: if they if he wins this title and he goes

861
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 5: down there, it's going to be big. You know, he

862
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 5: get he got a he has a lot of fans

863
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 5: down there, so and Moreno too. I mean, I get

864
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 5: the sense I haven't seen him. Actually was he on

865
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 5: that card? I don't forget now, But anyway, I know that,

866
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 5: like he's a huge star even in the States. So

867
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 5: he goes down there. Man, I do feel like that

868
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 5: would be the moment where Mexican mma is here.

869
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, maybe the grosshow moment was the setup

870
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: for this moment in terms of their arc.

871
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of funny you say that because it

872
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: takes us to the comin event, which is Brandon Moreno

873
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: taking on Alesandre Pantosia.

874
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: And what's kind of.

875
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: Funny about that is like some of the things you

876
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: want to say about Yair Moreno's already done.

877
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: So for example, right, yah, heir was cut from the organization.

878
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: If he comes back and he beats Volkanoski, wow, it's

879
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: like going from cut to becoming the champion. But it's

880
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: like Reno already did that shit and he's on the

881
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: second lap of it here a little bit like what

882
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: role does he play? I mean, as he's the comin

883
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: event on this card, Chuck, But in this giant sort

884
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: of Mexican MMA slash International Fight Week. I feel like

885
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: no one's really right, Like everyone's very respectful of the comain. Yeah,

886
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: but I don't hear anyone like jazzed for it, even

887
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: though it's a very good, it's gonna be a great thing,

888
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: reiterated fight.

889
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 5: It's the third meeting between these Do you think that

890
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 5: the backstory would matter here? You know, just the fact

891
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 5: that Pandosia has a victory over two of them. M

892
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 5: fighter and I mean, but you think that this would

893
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 5: be a larger story, But for some reason it hasn't been,

894
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 5: and it's it's kind a strange.

895
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: Man.

896
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 5: In the same way we're talking about Volkovsky being an

897
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 5: unsung guy for his role, I feel like Moreno's sort

898
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 5: of there too. I personally didn't think he would get

899
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 5: by Figuredo in that series. I didn't know they would

900
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 5: fight that many times, But just I thought Figuredo would

901
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 5: be kind of stationed there for a while, and he

902
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 5: looked better and better through that series. So I think

903
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 5: that this is one of those fights where you like,

904
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 5: you get I think that he becomes out more like

905
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 5: the people who haven't been paying attention. I think we'll

906
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 5: see him more in this light and he'll get some

907
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 5: of that shine. But it's in terms of like what

908
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 5: were you asking like in the Mexican MM, like if

909
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 5: he's gonna in the grand scheme.

910
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: Well, Also, it's just a weird situation because you're talking

911
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: about this fight.

912
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: I think I agree with everything you're saying. It's just weird.

913
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: Not only there's plenty of enthusiasm for Brandon Moreno, there's

914
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: just none on the Pantoja side.

915
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: That's the issue, right, is really, even though.

916
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: They have all of this, I wonder I want to

917
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 3: ask a question about the momentum of Brandon Moreno's star

918
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: and what that means to Mexican m Obviously, he's beloved

919
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 3: and respected, and he perseveres through getting cut, persevers through

920
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 3: losing the title, but has the fact that he's had

921
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 3: four episodes against Figuredo, flip flopping a bit, winning it

922
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: back and now a third fight against Pantosians.

923
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: Is that he's a rose nam Unis though, right, what

924
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: I'm saying like.

925
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: That it shows his resiliency, but does it hold back

926
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: his star potential because it's not a sustained rain. It's

927
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: not what DC I'm sorry, what DJ established and then

928
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 3: Shuto took over but then left early.

929
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 4: It's sort of this, you know, a lot of I mean,

930
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 4: there's a lot of parody the post.

931
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: Sohuto dj Ron in this division, which I guess they

932
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 3: say McK maynard is the matchmaking key for really keeping

933
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: this division alive and aggressively matching these guys.

934
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 4: They've all fought each other two, three times, they've beaten

935
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 4: each other.

936
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's great, but I do wonder if

937
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: that's looad him from the full assendation of the stuff.

938
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: So because you you know, essendation is more of an

939
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: East Coast you know.

940
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that when sometimes you get an impression

941
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 5: in MMA, especially I guess all combat sports, where you

942
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 5: kind of peg a guy like you're like, all right,

943
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 5: he's he's who he is, and then when they rise

944
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 5: above that, you still kind of see him the first way.

945
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 2: This happens all the time.

946
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 5: I feel like his first impressions were not really that impressive,

947
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 5: you know, so I think that.

948
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 2: Some of that is still there.

949
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 5: But I it was eye opening for me to watch

950
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 5: him in that whole series, and not just that. I

951
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 5: feel like he, you know, he's an interesting guy in

952
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 5: the terms of like you know, legos and all the

953
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 5: things he's into, like and he's he's just his own guy.

954
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 5: So I thought he handled he handles himself pretty well

955
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 5: in terms of the microphone and all that stuff. So

956
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 5: he has some charisma.

957
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: I Oh, he's a broadcaster on the Spanish side for

958
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 3: the UFC and like a very popular.

959
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: And it's just yeah, I don't know, but I feel

960
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: like you're right.

961
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 5: It's there's not like a buzz around his name when

962
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 5: he fights though, And it's.

963
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: And of course, like even if he were to persevere

964
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: here and do really well, like no one is going

965
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: to be in that conversation. There's like not a large

966
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: narrative about the fight. That's the problem right in the

967
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: in the main event, Hey is Volkanasa going to one

968
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: fifty five?

969
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: It's the best fighter on earth? What does it mean

970
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: for his legacy here?

971
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: It's like even if Moreno wins, we're not gonna be

972
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: talking about him in the same respect. With DJ, you

973
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: have such a such a long way to go to

974
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: match DJ or anything even close to it. So it's

975
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: like really good, it's really commendable, but you're talking about

976
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: a level of excellence that's just impossible for him to

977
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: match up.

978
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: But on the slide, Chuck, is Pantosia more dangerous to

979
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: the title that Moreno holds or is yeah, you're more dangerous.

980
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it just looks so good man.

981
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 4: He is a finisher.

982
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 2: Though. Here's the problem with it's on the pre fight

983
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 2: win streak.

984
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: His last loss was to ask for Askarov, which was

985
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: slightly disputed, but not really.

986
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: I went back and I watched that.

987
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought Askarov one and you know he's

988
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: had like some like The problem with his record is

989
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: it's it's impressive, but not overly so like.

990
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: Maybe beat menel Koppa. I mean, this whole division just resets.

991
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: You go to the top, you lose, you come back to.

992
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: His losses, while not disqualifying, have certainly made you think, well,

993
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: he's just a step short of the elite, right, he's

994
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: very very good.

995
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 4: See, I think he's just dark horse potential.

996
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: You've never been dissuaded by any of his losses.

997
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: Maybe it's because of this pair of this division. Have

998
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 3: I been dissuaded by the Moreno losses. No, he finds

999
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: a way to persevere and come back and show a

1000
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: deeper level of his game.

1001
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: Only thirty three for pantojabou.

1002
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if he's already beaten Morino twice and has

1003
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: that confidence level, see and.

1004
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about those wins. So the first

1005
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: one was the Ultimate Fighter, he stubs him in the

1006
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: second round. It was, you know, Moreno didn't look like

1007
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: he had any idea what he I mean, he shouldn't

1008
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: even been in the UFC at that point, candidly. And

1009
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: the second one takes place. Moreno is twenty four years old.

1010
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: This was twenty eighteen, and Pantoj beat the shit out

1011
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: of him. I mean, I mean, there was a couple

1012
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: times I thought he was gonna stop him, and he

1013
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: wins and that's over. So he goes from not getting

1014
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: finished so to getting finished to not getting finished to

1015
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: hear where we are today. Here's the thing, though, it's

1016
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 1: been five years since that fight, and just be honest,

1017
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: who has gotten better in the last five years from

1018
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: that point, Pantoja or Moreno.

1019
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: It's Moreno with a.

1020
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: Bullet, yes, while that's true, Yes, but Pantoja on a

1021
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: three fight win streak against good names and he's beaten

1022
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: the champion twice. And I don't know, I just I

1023
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: feel like he has more of a chance even than

1024
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 3: yeah he does against Volcanolos.

1025
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: He's one of the best back attackers. He's got really

1026
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: impressive back attacks. I think it was the end of

1027
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: the first or second round of the second fight. He

1028
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: just jumps all Moreno's back standing and still manages to

1029
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: clamp a leg over the arm. Like very impressive backtaker

1030
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: and an okay striker, but not like I feel like, dude.

1031
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: I feel like Moreno didn't just get better with the

1032
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 1: Figuredo series.

1033
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 2: I feel like he grew up. I feel like he.

1034
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: Had like almost a little bit what you got from

1035
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: Volkanovsky against Holloway, where it was like one of these

1036
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: guys is going to have to turn the corner here

1037
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: see it put into overdrive, and I feel like Marino did.

1038
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 3: Okay, let's debate this. I don't feel like Moreno has

1039
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 3: turned that corner. I feel like this division has so

1040
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 3: much parody, and I love what Marino's done. I love

1041
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: the adjustments he's made within this series against Figuredo to

1042
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: end up with the title.

1043
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 4: Love all of that. I just think they're all at

1044
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 4: roughly the same level.

1045
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: I felt the same thing about eskar Askarov, who lost

1046
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 3: and then is now out of the organization. I think

1047
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: KYKR France is like that close right from being in,

1048
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, like they're all kind of right there.

1049
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 4: I don't feel like.

1050
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: Moreno has made I don't enough of a statement of

1051
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: separation that this is now his time and he's building

1052
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: a rain. I think this is still hot potato, and

1053
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: all of these guys and Brandon Rouville, all of these

1054
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: guys at the top can have I mean, Revel got

1055
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: submitted by Pantosia because that's what happens in this division.

1056
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: It's very also takes a lot of risks, I mean,

1057
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: because he's the raw dog.

1058
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: Because he's just raw dog.

1059
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: And these people where I come from, they do a

1060
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: lot of raw dog and they live their life by

1061
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: the risk. Okay, live and die by the sword. And

1062
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the the old rhythm method.

1063
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're talking about different kinds of pumping dump schemes,

1064
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 5: not crypto.

1065
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1066
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 5: You think Moreno like that, you know, having faced him obviously,

1067
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 5: like he got better in the figure Figuredo series, figured

1068
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 5: him out through through the process, but like can he

1069
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 5: do that with this, I mean, that's there's not the question,

1070
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 5: like how does he's already shown that, like against top rivals,

1071
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 5: he has the ability to do so weird because him,

1072
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 5: it's just that that one.

1073
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: Those ones all happened in close succession. This one's happening in.

1074
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 4: Slow sing though he's he's getting.

1075
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: So here's the thing.

1076
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I agree in the sense that

1077
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: Moreno doesn't have like a DJ level hole on the

1078
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: division of course not. But I and I sort of

1079
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: grant what BC is saying, which is that like on

1080
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: any given night, could anyone in that top five win?

1081
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1082
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: They probably could, right, they probably could. Nevertheless, I do

1083
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: feel like Moreno is better than them.

1084
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 3: Okay, but if you made a pomp for pound list

1085
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: of reigning champions in the UFC men's side, I guess

1086
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: it would be a safe for more fair debate. He's

1087
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: what worst or second worst, right in terms of their

1088
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 3: pound for pound level ability of.

1089
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 5: Yes, that is correct. I think who would have her

1090
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 5: the worst of the men's side, Jamal.

1091
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: Hill, he would argue, Jamal Hill, who only because of

1092
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: lack of like you know, like I mean, he just

1093
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 3: he got the opportunity, he took advantage the opportunity to.

1094
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: Jamal Hill will just say he hasn't. He hasn't even

1095
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: defended it yet, right, Fuck.

1096
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 4: I mean I do.

1097
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: I still vote pomp for pund and handle CBS's so

1098
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 3: I find myself having moreno either at like somewhere between

1099
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 3: ten and twelve at all times, usually dictated by other

1100
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 3: people coming in and out whether he gets back in.

1101
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1102
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: It's also a sense of the division as well, like

1103
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: how would you rank the divisions your respective of the champion,

1104
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: you probably would put it that the flyweight has made

1105
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: it a credible rebound since it's near blood letting days.

1106
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: Remember that when the Black Play came through and just

1107
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: wiped out half of the division.

1108
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, but dude, like anyone can win any night, and

1109
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: that is exciting though, So while this is not so

1110
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: win yes, but I think this. I think all the

1111
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 3: title fights right now among these guys are fifty to fifty.

1112
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 3: I mean that that that series with Figaredo kind of

1113
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: proved that to some degree, although the first fight to draw.

1114
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: But uh, the flyweight division would be kind of.

1115
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: I mean, and I don't think that's a bad thing.

1116
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 3: I don't say that to criticize the division.

1117
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 4: I love what mcmahard not.

1118
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 3: I love the fact that these fights are just killer,

1119
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: high paced, incredible fights. I just don't think Brandon Marino

1120
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 3: has done enough to separate himself yet. This would be

1121
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: a great victory, especially a guy who bed him twice already.

1122
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: This would be a great victory to go in that direction.

1123
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: But I think this, I don't know what the odds

1124
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: are again, but I think this is a flip a

1125
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 3: coin to find out what happens, especially a guy who

1126
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 3: has the history, the mental advantage of he finished them.

1127
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, I mean we could also be doing the

1128
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: whole Barista Daniel Cormier, Patrick Cummins.

1129
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: Patrick Cummins got like this guy made him cry practice.

1130
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 5: Then I missed those days. But also, here's another part two.

1131
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 5: Here's here's another story that we're kind of missing here.

1132
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 5: It doesn't really matter in the main event, but it

1133
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 5: doesn't the comain, which is, what about a Brazilian champion?

1134
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: Now?

1135
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: With Amanda noonez sense retiring by the way on the

1136
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: you know the thing on Twitter, the fighter roster, Yeah,

1137
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: she got removed. She's off of it now. So, uh,

1138
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: there isn't a Brazilian champion, right, So.

1139
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 4: Is it really not in any form in the UFC

1140
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 4: there's not.

1141
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: Go through the go through the weight class. That's so

1142
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: you have Moreno.

1143
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: One twenty five, you have at one thirty five, you

1144
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: have who's one thirty five on chap My brain's not

1145
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: working at Al Jamaine one bulk one fifty five is

1146
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: Makachev one seventy you're right, Glover law Leon, Sorry what

1147
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: am I doing? And then one eighty five is is

1148
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: he back again?

1149
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: Because it was it was a champion had a name,

1150
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 3: and it was Charles Olivera.

1151
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: But now it's two of five, it is Jamal Hill Heavyweight,

1152
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: it's John Jones.

1153
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: And then in the women's side, it's okay.

1154
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: As Mexican m s on the verge of having its

1155
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 3: most incredible stretch of all time, Pantosia is the least

1156
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 3: the least amount of fanfare. That's all I meant of

1157
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: a truly elite title contending maybe outside of Tyler Santos,

1158
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 3: who you could argue you should have won the title

1159
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 3: that night. But yeah, this would be an interesting opportunity

1160
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:08,479
Speaker 3: to start a new.

1161
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: Rule that division go.

1162
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 5: If it's Pantosia, man, it's just more rematches.

1163
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 2: Probably are more rematches. It would be kind of a mess.

1164
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 3: Honestly, I might be Roval he's put together in my streak,

1165
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: he might actually get it next.

1166
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 1: But also just for Brazil's sake, to get a champion back,

1167
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: I think would be I mean, the Brazil produces so

1168
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: much talent you never really worry about them being out

1169
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: of it. But it is strange and on the men's

1170
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: and women's side as we speak today, not a champion.

1171
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 5: From Brazil's time that happened was I feel like it's

1172
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 5: been a while too.

1173
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it's been. I feel like there's

1174
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: always a Brazilian champion, I mean silver Rain for so long. Yeah,

1175
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, God, the Baron, you know the

1176
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: Baron then you saw to fucked all that ship, dude.

1177
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 4: You saw have ruined his career. Barra, Right, That's what

1178
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 4: Faber told me.

1179
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 2: Never got that jacket.

1180
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: That was the issue that's changed everything for people who've

1181
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: gotten it. Any other thoughts on this comaine as terms

1182
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: of like things that matter about it too.

1183
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 4: I don't think anything else matters about it.

1184
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a little light on that regard, isn't it.

1185
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:08,479
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

1186
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: This is a light that will entertain, It will sort

1187
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 3: of take us, you know, a further down the road

1188
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 3: on who's the real best fighter in this division yet

1189
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 3: is not going to get anybody to.

1190
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 4: Buy the car to show up for the most part

1191
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 4: for it being there.

1192
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: I will say this before we move on from it.

1193
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: The two Mexican fighters in the main and Comaine. I

1194
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: was talking to some folks who are Mexican combat sports

1195
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: journalists and they were telling me that we know this

1196
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: anyway in the boxing side.

1197
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: I just feel like I haven't seen it as much

1198
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: on the MMA side. BC.

1199
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: So, for example, in January, BC, where and I were

1200
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas for the Caleb Plant David Benafidez fight. Dude,

1201
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: the Mexican fans for David Benavidez, like of course they

1202
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: come out for Canelo. I thought I thought it was

1203
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: going to be like a lot less dude like they were.

1204
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: They they were there for him. That was a big

1205
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: time mar Mark.

1206
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: What am I saying January? Sorry, that's three months ago.

1207
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: But the one I'm trying to make is I couldn't

1208
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: believe how ready they were right though about the box

1209
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet in MMA, So this is

1210
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, and they were saying like the

1211
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: Mexican fans apparently don't in any way mine traveling to

1212
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, they like it, So.

1213
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: I do think it's good.

1214
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: I mean again, we've been talking about like International Fight Week,

1215
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: does it have a Connor doesn't. But I think it

1216
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: is smart of them. Oh, go to places like this,

1217
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: cultivate these fan bases, work on that.

1218
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: The talk of the Grossow Schifchanko rematch in September maybe

1219
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 3: being on Free to.

1220
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: G Yeah, exactly what.

1221
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: We'll talk to Vegas and during Mexican Independence Day weekend. No,

1222
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 3: the Cole name we put to bed. Now it's time

1223
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 3: to find out who's the real African championing exactly? Is

1224
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: this just the set is is Whitaker versus Duplessy the

1225
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 3: Christmas Eve to Christmas morning which is in all Africa.

1226
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if this fight. I don't know what

1227
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: this fight is going to be. So you indicated it one.

1228
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: Any five pound fight title shot has to be right,

1229
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: has to be if that Uncle Dana said yes and

1230
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: frankly and we'll talk about what happens in either direction.

1231
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: I actually think you get something kind of interesting for

1232
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: very different reasons.

1233
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: So here comes drickis Duplessy who.

1234
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: Apparently couldn't breath through who his nose I didn't know

1235
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 1: and had to get surgery, And now he can breathe again.

1236
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 4: That's great after your own nasal plups.

1237
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, our producer Mikey's dog snores like a motherfucker

1238
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: on tho zoom calls. Can you imagine Drick Is snoring?

1239
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: He must sound like a goddamn walrus fucking a chainsaw.

1240
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: Must be unbelievable.

1241
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 4: All right, Yeah, that'd be some serious coitus right there.

1242
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: Yes, So here's my point. He is I mean, what

1243
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: don't want to say about rickis chuck. He's a goofball. Right.

1244
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: You have in Robert.

1245
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: Whittaker, the gentleman of the game, who is like renowned

1246
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: for his precise technique in high fight IQ, and here

1247
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: comes drickis like the Dukes of Hazzard, right, shooting through

1248
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: with the general league waiting on boss Hog.

1249
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 2: To catch him.

1250
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: And yet he's like like the Dukes of Hazzard, he

1251
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: keeps winning. Talk to me about drickis duple see what

1252
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: is his Well? How did he get here plodding forward

1253
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: and throwing bombs?

1254
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 5: Man?

1255
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 3: That's I want to actually talk about how he got

1256
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 3: here because Chuck how he got here?

1257
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: Okay, That Darren Til fight was weird.

1258
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 4: Was submitting dar.

1259
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: Un Til and stopping in older Derek Okay, also weird.

1260
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 3: So my point is, Chucky, I don't want you to

1261
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 3: just answer his question, want you to answer mine.

1262
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: All right?

1263
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: Is Dracas Duplessy worthy of a number one contender fight

1264
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 3: right now when he beat Darren Till and Derek.

1265
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 5: Well, only because I is he has cleaned out so

1266
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 5: much at the other side, you know, it's just the

1267
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 5: new blood. But honestly, man, he doesn't play a lot

1268
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 5: of defense. It just seems like this is this is

1269
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 5: where like the hype would go to die, right, Like

1270
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 5: you go against a guy like Whitaker, who has only

1271
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 5: lost to one guy in the last nine years, you.

1272
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. It's like this is the this

1273
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: is the matchup, and in that way it kind of it.

1274
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 5: I love the fight, I love the idea of it,

1275
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 5: but the fact that you're going to kill off possibly

1276
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 5: one of the guys who could be the fresh flood

1277
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 5: in that division kind of sucks, doesn't it. I'm like,

1278
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 5: I would rather that they especially because they have such

1279
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 5: a feud. I'm talking about Izzy with you know, dupless.

1280
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 5: He like, to me, that would be some dark matter, like.

1281
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:56,479
Speaker 2: When it's.

1282
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: The few to say that as somebody who is jealous,

1283
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: they can't be the first African champion.

1284
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I always made the comparison

1285
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 3: to the Larry Holmes Jerry Cooney heavyweight title fight that

1286
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: we look back.

1287
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: Was very ready. When you look back to.

1288
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 3: That early eighties showdown, it was all about race to

1289
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 3: a gross level of Cooney being the great white hype

1290
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 3: against you know and all that, and that was like

1291
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: what everybody leaned into to sell it.

1292
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 4: And now we look back on that and we cringe

1293
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 4: as shit.

1294
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: He's is duplicity only in the spot because he made

1295
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 3: the African champion comment and that pisched off, like.

1296
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing.

1297
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: South African MMA has been on the map for a

1298
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: little while. They've had a few guys come out of there.

1299
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: Don Madge is another one. He's had some ups and downs.

1300
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: But you know, Trevor Prangley came from South Africa many

1301
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: many years ago.

1302
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 4: Jap Bays. Can we put a little bit of fair enough?

1303
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: They've always had a little bit of a contingency down there,

1304
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: and I think that that's a market the UFC has

1305
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: not really looked at as like, hey, we could blow

1306
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: it up. But I definitely think they want to do

1307
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: more that they want to cultivate on the African continent.

1308
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 1: South Africa appears to be ready to go that way.

1309
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 4: Hear this out.

1310
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 3: This is supposed to be Sean Strickland. They wanted him

1311
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 3: to be the to be the next fighter to fight

1312
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: is he? It didn't work out. He suffered losses at

1313
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: wrong times. They're trying to just find the next name

1314
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 3: they can fast track.

1315
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: But what is it? But what name is that supposed

1316
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: to be? If it's not one of these two, I'll be.

1317
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm ready for you? Ready for this?

1318
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: Yes?

1319
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 4: How'm such? Am I have this? He should either be

1320
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 4: fighting is he.

1321
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 2: Has no top ten wins, top fifteen. Here's my opinion.

1322
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 4: Here's my opinion.

1323
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 3: Even with him missing weight against Nay and it and

1324
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: there's a lot of weirdness with that, Okay, conspiratoril or not.

1325
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 4: There's just a lot of unexplained weirdness as to why.

1326
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 2: You're doing the Rothschilds were there.

1327
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: You're either going to penalize him for that or you're not.

1328
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: UFC doesn't seem to penalize people that they like and

1329
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 3: that they want to do big things behind even after

1330
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: threatening that a man of newness would never headline again

1331
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: after she you know, didn't fight a bounce the side

1332
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 3: of the time again. Like, But so my point is, Okay,

1333
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 3: they want him to stay at middleweight. So why is

1334
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: he not fighting either Audustania on July eighth for the

1335
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: title or Whittaker for the chance to fight for the title.

1336
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 4: Why is it DUPLEC who doesn't even earn it?

1337
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: Is it so that you sorry, how has Okay, I'm

1338
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: not a duples see like Truther Truther, but I mean

1339
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: he's earned it way.

1340
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 3: More than JAMAIAV has a next level aura and hype

1341
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: around him that.

1342
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 4: He earned through.

1343
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: In my opinion, that that Tamaiah earned through the pandemic

1344
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 3: by being willing and able and fighting three times in

1345
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 3: success and winning a fight at Weltzer right then middleweight

1346
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 3: and just dominating and then what he did to the

1347
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: to Lee's Young Leong and just dropping him in front

1348
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: of data. He did the things you need to do

1349
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 3: to show that I'm that next dude.

1350
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 4: So either these.

1351
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: Are vibes you're literally arguing he has an aura, we

1352
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: should give him a title shot based on he doesn't.

1353
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: Have an aura.

1354
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 4: He drives.

1355
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 3: Do you remember the head of that Gilbert fight when

1356
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 3: we were when we interviewed Gilbert. He has and it

1357
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: did stupid numbers because of the tamaia factor. I'm not

1358
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 3: saying Tremiav's reputation and aura and hype isn't damaged by

1359
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 3: missing the weight, But then he did go out there

1360
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 3: against Kevin Hollman beat him in like six seconds. My

1361
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 3: whole point is you're either going to hold it against

1362
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: him or not. If you're not, why is he not

1363
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: being in sorted directly into this.

1364
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind the argument that he would be on

1365
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: the card fighting someone else interesting and then you have

1366
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: a couple of choices, but just you know, just that

1367
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: fight those if they make that fight at some point.

1368
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: But it.

1369
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: Sounds like you hate this fight. I mean, I hate

1370
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: this fight.

1371
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: Do you only hate this fight because Tremaiava is waiting

1372
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: in the wings?

1373
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: Also there could be some visa issues? Who knows about that?

1374
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 4: Give you everything I hate about this fight te him

1375
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 4: right now.

1376
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: I hate this fight because if Duplessy wins, Okay Man,

1377
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 3: if he beats Whitaker straight up, dude, Well he have

1378
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 3: earned it, yes, But but I feel like you're only

1379
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 3: fast tracking him because you want this African theme and

1380
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 3: maybe want to put the fight in Africa in some form,

1381
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 3: And again I think it's weird with all that race

1382
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 3: side of it. The other thing is you're, then, in

1383
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: my opinion, based on how I perceive this fight from

1384
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: an odd standpoint, just serving him up to Whittaker to

1385
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 3: what set up the fourth or the third Whitaker out

1386
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: of Suny fight.

1387
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 4: Now, look, nobody loves Whitaker.

1388
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: More than me, and I thought he actually beat out

1389
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 3: of Sonya in the rematch, so I'm not gonna hate that.

1390
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 3: But if you're the UFC, that's not a matchup that's fresh. Well,

1391
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 3: they love it in the Oceanic world, so I'm sure.

1392
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 3: But isn't Tamaiah that next big thing that's coming? So

1393
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 3: why are you not, to your point have him on

1394
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: this card or whatever did you build toward that being next?

1395
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: That I agree with putting him up and put not

1396
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: putting him on this card for whatever reason, is really

1397
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: holding it back, holding potentially a middleway title shot back

1398
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: in a more interesting direction. My only thing is I

1399
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: would even mind if they fast tracked Shamaia to the

1400
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: top ten for a matchup. I need to see him

1401
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: beat someone between five and seven before.

1402
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: I can be like title shot.

1403
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I just feel like, when is he came

1404
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 3: back and knocked out Poeton and did that?

1405
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 4: Isn't that time to go to two five?

1406
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 3: Probably he's like, he's like, what we're talking about, Ulknoski?

1407
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 3: If he gets by the ayear, what else do you

1408
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 3: have to accomplish? I know you could beat a Tuporio

1409
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 3: who might be next. There's always going to be somebody

1410
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: that's next if you're out of Sonia and then Poton

1411
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,479
Speaker 3: already moved up to two five. I don't know why

1412
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 3: unless at Asni looks at the landscape and goes, well,

1413
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 3: I would like Whittaker again. That'd be big money in Australia.

1414
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 3: Maybe it would be. But why doesn't he just move

1415
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: up and then suddenly we have the build of Whittaker

1416
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 3: maybe versus you don't like it for the time.

1417
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: I want to follow in a normally I don't want

1418
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: to hear a thing BC has to say. But to them,

1419
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm actually it's good, you know. I'm feel a little frisky,

1420
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: so Okay, so you think that the African thing that

1421
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: Drickus has brought up, it's it's been him bringing it

1422
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: up like the UFC to my knowledge yet, because we know,

1423
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: like you know, they took the Dolly thing and they

1424
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: just turned it into like a sales angle. So it's

1425
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: not like it's not like it's.

1426
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: Beyond them that.

1427
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 4: We can't help you at the moment.

1428
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: So it's not like it's beyond them to do this

1429
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But they haven't done it yet to

1430
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: my knowledge. So what is your concern? Your concern is

1431
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: that if Drickis wins, first of all, he would break

1432
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: the hearts of every Robert Whittaker fan across the world.

1433
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: Maybe a hell of a win it would be, because dude,

1434
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: there's no way he's going to win normally. He's right

1435
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: in the apell for a long time. If he Jesus

1436
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: like Rickis, Duplessy is not going to win normally. He's

1437
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: there to go for a souplex fail. But then Whittaker

1438
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: goes face first into the canvas and like breaks his

1439
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: neck or something, you know. But my point is this,

1440
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: if Drickis brings it up, why is that? Yes, I

1441
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: don't like it. Either BC, because it's like, what does

1442
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: it mean to be African. It's like, well, there's lots

1443
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: of like Moroccans are Africans and so we're you know,

1444
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: the Sudanese and it's it's a it's a very diverse

1445
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: kind of thing to be in a way. Are you

1446
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: worried that like the UFC's gonna like run with that

1447
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: angle as well and make it like, hey, who's the

1448
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: real yes race winner here?

1449
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 3: I'm not like waiting up that night worrying about it.

1450
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: I just think that you're fast tracking drick is for

1451
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 3: what for it? For an all African race ball.

1452
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 4: That is just gonna get It's just gonna get so weird.

1453
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 3: I mean, we have to get Matt Damon out and

1454
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 3: refilm that rugby movie with Volkanowski is a starring role.

1455
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 5: Maybe.

1456
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's just gross and weird. So I'm like,

1457
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: I wonder if.

1458
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: It was the white rugby players who killed the part.

1459
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 3: I just remember, I wonder if the UFC wants out

1460
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 3: Asnia to go to two o five, but he's like,

1461
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 3: I'd kind of like to finish it off maybe Strickland maybe,

1462
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: and they go, well, all about this supplicif we can,

1463
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 3: we can fast track him in there. I mean probably

1464
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 3: because he looks at it as I know, a one

1465
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 3: sided win, but yet would be a little bit of hype.

1466
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Asnia is a good businessman, he

1467
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 3: wants some hype ahead of his fights. He knows Dupless

1468
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 3: would be a hype fight. Maybe that's what they're saying. Okay,

1469
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: but we have to give him to Witaker. It's not

1470
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 3: likely to happen, but here's your chance. If Whittaker wins,

1471
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 3: we're gonna come back to you and say, do you

1472
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: want to do this trilogy or do you want to

1473
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 3: go to two five?

1474
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 4: I just feel like, let's tell if it now, you

1475
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 4: go to two o five.

1476
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 3: Let's get Whittaker, who has already deserved it five times over,

1477
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 3: put him in the vacant title shot.

1478
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 4: But against two is the question would you hate Ham?

1479
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 4: Would you hate hamsad? I wouldn't.

1480
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean you know that I still wouldn't love that,

1481
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: but I'd be much more accepting.

1482
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: I mean again, if Hams that be Whittaker, how could you?

1483
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: How could you deny him? Right?

1484
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 3: Okay, what is this conversation? How does this conversation change

1485
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 3: that we're having right now. If bow Nickel, who is

1486
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: what making is UFC debutors second one second fight against Tras.

1487
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 4: He already get Jammi Pikett to open this card.

1488
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 3: What if bo Nickel does that, I take you down

1489
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 3: right away and submit you within the first ninety seconds.

1490
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 3: Are we having stupid fast track conversations instead of about

1491
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 3: Duplessy and CHAMAIAV and now about Nickel?

1492
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: Or is it still how the fuck is Bo Nickel

1493
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: going to beat Trayshon Gore in a way that is

1494
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: more impressive to you than in this eventuality Drick is

1495
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: Duplessy beating Robert Whittaker.

1496
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 3: Again, that is on Morning Combat a couple of days

1497
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 3: before we shot this. What chances are you giving dupleicy

1498
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 3: of winning that? And I told you I'm not ten

1499
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: out of ten I'm picking Whitaker? Am I crazy?

1500
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: This put me out the way it should go. I go,

1501
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: I go, I go, No, I go nine out of ten?

1502
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 4: You're going ten out of ten.

1503
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: Year you're expecting some kind of chaos to take place there?

1504
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 2: He is.

1505
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: He is the agent of it. That is the that

1506
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: is what he does. Like you watch the tape on

1507
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: him and you can see he's athletic. You can see

1508
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: he's strong, you know, but he's he fights like a

1509
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: goof Like I don't know else to say it. You know,

1510
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: it's the and plotting and weird and like he has

1511
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: to work out of bad positions and like he like

1512
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: you know what really saves him? And I mean this

1513
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: obviously aside from being athletic and like a good size with.

1514
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: A weight class, he's just headstrong.

1515
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: He's just absolutely not in any way not He's all

1516
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: he's there to do is just commit to whatever the

1517
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: assignment is. And so I think that really cares him

1518
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: pretty far. I don't think that should carry even past

1519
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 1: the guy as good as Whittaker, But if it does,

1520
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: you're like, well fuck.

1521
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 3: I mean, well, if we're operating under the pretense that

1522
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 3: maybe is he is hanging around looking for or one

1523
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 3: off fights, what if Whittaker does be duples?

1524
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 2: See?

1525
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 3: But then UFC goes all right, instead of necessarily putting

1526
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 3: you back in there for a third time against at Asnia,

1527
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 3: we put you against Tamaia. And that's why I was

1528
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 3: opening the door of the Bonnekele conversation. Win or lose,

1529
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 3: win in two seconds or not? You think Bonnickel is

1530
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 3: gonna need and deserve two more fights after this if

1531
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 3: he keeps doing Bonnickel things right.

1532
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: The problem is the name, not just the name value,

1533
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: but the value in beating rubber Whitaker is so profoundly

1534
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: greater than beating trachon On Gore.

1535
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: It just is.

1536
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: Which doesn't mean that one is easy or that that's

1537
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: not what I'm just see though, what happens with if

1538
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: Bonnickle goes like through Gore quickly again.

1539
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 4: And then grabs the mic and then says.

1540
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: He is very politicized.

1541
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 4: If he does that, That's what I'm saying you UFC

1542
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 4: likes to react.

1543
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 5: He has right now, I think one round and like

1544
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 5: fifteen seconds of total pro experience. Like so it's like

1545
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 5: that would be fast tracking to some level that we've never.

1546
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 3: But that would be the point of doing it, would

1547
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 3: do that only for the point of, like, let's make

1548
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 3: this a thing.

1549
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 4: Right. He looks at me, he says, he's ready, let's

1550
01:00:59,200 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 4: make this a thing.

1551
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 2: It will be interesting. Man.

1552
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 5: I'm like I thought it was like him on the

1553
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 5: car talking about bon Nickel is an interesting wrinkle to

1554
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 5: this because I do feel like, in part you're saying,

1555
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 5: like you know, is who's Izzy going to fight? Are

1556
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 5: we exhausted by the whole Whittaker idea and who's out there?

1557
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 5: And those types of names are the ones that come

1558
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 5: to mind, right, even though there are a little ways off.

1559
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 2: Those are the exciting fights. Like you're starting to think

1560
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 2: of the guys that are.

1561
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 5: Coming up into that conversation, and I think that that's

1562
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 5: what makes it fun.

1563
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 4: Do you believe that they reward is He in some regard?

1564
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 3: Remember when he wanted to fight Joel Romero at the

1565
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 3: time that Romero really hadn't earned it because he had

1566
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 3: lost so many in a row, and UFC went, well,

1567
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 3: the champ wants it.

1568
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 4: It's a dangerous fight, Let's.

1569
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: Give it to him. Yeah, that would be interesting too.

1570
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 3: He's made never name about Drickis and now Dricis is

1571
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 3: fighting Whittaker. What if finishes Hm quick gets on the mic,

1572
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 3: does the easy thing, and then Izzy's on Twitter, gone,

1573
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 3: all right, big guy, Maybe that's the one that outside.

1574
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 2: But Izzy wants that Drickis fights so bad.

1575
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: I know, I think he was buzz is a horrible

1576
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Whittker is a horrible fight for Drickis, So

1577
01:01:58,800 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: is he?

1578
01:01:59,440 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 5: Is he?

1579
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: And Whitaker should both be like really bad fights for dupless,

1580
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: but it would be big fights too.

1581
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: I guess there's Willy Noel's. It would be so tough though.

1582
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 5: If here Isy you've already beat Whittaker, and I mean

1583
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 5: like one of them obviously being very close, but like

1584
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 5: when you look at that, to have to beat a

1585
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 5: guy again, I just think that that's the hardest position

1586
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 5: to be in. Like you're trying to protect something that

1587
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 5: the guy keeps coming for and you got to keep

1588
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 5: patting him down.

1589
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just that's got to be the toughest thing.

1590
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: That's brutal. Now I do have to discuss it before

1591
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: we move on, which is okay. But what if Whittaker loses,

1592
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: Like no, I don't mean on the drink aside, I

1593
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: mean on the Whittaker side.

1594
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 2: That would be devastated for his career because there's.

1595
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: At least an assumption that he'll get another fight title, right,

1596
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: there's at least that. But if you take that away,

1597
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: right you're like, oh, oh, well, now where are we.

1598
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 4: I know he's not dead, it'd be a really mad That.

1599
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 2: Would be the worst loss of his career.

1600
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 3: It would be dependent upon his future because if Asani

1601
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 3: makes a decision to move up suddenly, ufc' is like, well,

1602
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 3: Whittaker has got to be our leading candidate to be

1603
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 3: in some type of you know fight. Obviously not right

1604
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 3: after if he had lost to do are we gonna

1605
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 3: call him DDP? Are we really going to do the

1606
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 3: everyone's I mean all the the all the people that

1607
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 3: you know, the the m M a old guard of

1608
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 3: journalists who go to every show. So like those guys,

1609
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 3: they all call him DDP.

1610
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 2: They call him DDP. Yeah.

1611
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 4: When I think DDP, I think of this right.

1612
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 2: Of vagiint. I don't what are you doing, Gene? Let

1613
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 2: me let me look through it to the illuminati thing.

1614
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 3: No, it's the Diamond Dallas Page thing that Jay Z

1615
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 3: started doing first yoga.

1616
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 4: It's the Diamond Cutter, Yeah DDP.

1617
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but are we really going to first reference

1618
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 3: now he's the dude from the yoga.

1619
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 4: He's not.

1620
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: That's what I know him.

1621
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 3: He's not Diamond Dallas Page, former w CW champion. I

1622
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 3: know him a w A manager.

1623
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: He I say what his wrestling highlights to what extent

1624
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: they don't show up all my timeline his yoga ship

1625
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: I see all the time.

1626
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: Yoga shit is relevant, bro, I don't think it's not.

1627
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 3: Do you think the UFC actually wants out to Sunia

1628
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 3: Witiker three or would still put muscle behind and still go.

1629
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: If they put it back in Australia. Yeah, Yeah, it'd

1630
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: be a big fight in Australia. Okay, Okay here though,

1631
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean that'd be the weird part. It's like, hey,

1632
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: we've got is He versus Winnaker three. It's gonna be

1633
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: in Tachi.

1634
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: Palace, the one they owe Tachi Palace.

1635
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, like, imagine they put it in like Portland,

1636
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: You'd be like, why the fuck are we in Portland there?

1637
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 2: And Barra would have to be out there.

1638
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 5: But man, if he loses, if he loses, I think

1639
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 5: you're right, that's it's about his devastating of a loss

1640
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 5: you can take and not lose the belt, right, because

1641
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 5: you're losing the chance to even be in that CONMCE.

1642
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 5: That's like a representational loss, yeah, because he's already behind

1643
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 5: the eight ball just trying to get that shot.

1644
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 2: You know.

1645
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 3: So all right, if if DDP wins, do we do

1646
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 3: the at sun City or what?

1647
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 4: It's such an early eighties joke.

1648
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 2: It's like, no, that's a great question.

1649
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 3: Where do you put and either no matter who wins

1650
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 3: that fight, is the real African champion still Francis and Kanna.

1651
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, no seriously? Uh maybe maybe? I mean,

1652
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if we get I don't know.

1653
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: If three guys in their forties get to decide who

1654
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: the actual Africa.

1655
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 5: Champion is, that seems to be beyond our purview. But

1656
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 5: where would you put that fight?

1657
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 2: Godly, dude, I don't know.

1658
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 4: Pyramids? Huh the pyramids?

1659
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 2: No? Could you?

1660
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 5: You could put it in South Africa, but if it's

1661
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 5: the champion, it to go there.

1662
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 2: But I mean they've mentioned it, have mentioned it for years.

1663
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 3: But if your wife suddenly said I want to go

1664
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 3: to Africa for an expecation, what country would you try

1665
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 3: to lean her towards?

1666
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 2: Probably moroccoad probably Morocco.

1667
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 4: Most amount of white people, I don't know if.

1668
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: They identify as will be cool. That seems a little

1669
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: it's not all Costa blanc. I don't know if you

1670
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: know that or not? Right, I'm not Tunisian man, and

1671
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: go see uh Tatooine.

1672
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could go to do you know.

1673
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 4: You can stay and it's a hotel the.

1674
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 3: Uncle Owen, Owen u Lars and Owen No, you know

1675
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about, Luke Trus Raiders all yeah, Luke

1676
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 3: Skywalker's and Uncle Owen Lars.

1677
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:56,439
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone was trying to get the fuck away

1678
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: from tattooing. Why the fun would I trying to go

1679
01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: over there?

1680
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 4: You can stay in those rooms.

1681
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, speaking of tattooing, I'll tell you what.

1682
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 4: Luke never got laid there in the hold on.

1683
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: Hold on, I tell you what tattooing. I went to

1684
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: this comic con, the DC versic. Boy, the Jedi have

1685
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: let themselves go. Oh my god, I tell you they

1686
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: don't need to worry about tattooing.

1687
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 2: They need to worry about how many lbs they put on.

1688
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: During the cor and team if you know what I'm saying,

1689
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: little Brian Campbell joke. Therefore, yeah, like that, like that,

1690
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, the X men let themselves go,

1691
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: very very very.

1692
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 4: What's the fifth fight on this card on the.

1693
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: Last be actually the opener is the bow Nickel fight, right,

1694
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:36,959
Speaker 1: and giving a chance on what level of resists to your.

1695
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 2: Point about the drinkists and the ten out of ten, ten.

1696
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 4: Out of it's m M A.

1697
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 3: But we still haven't seen bow Nickel like be forced

1698
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 3: to kickbox for like seven straight minutes.

1699
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 2: I hope that gore is that guy.

1700
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: Could be wrong. I doubt is that guy. The last

1701
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: one is going to be a very interesting and fun one.

1702
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Turner taking on Dan hook Yes, that's a that's

1703
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: a great fight. Actually, Jalen Turner, do you know it

1704
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: was a little bit too much for him against Marching?

1705
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 2: Uh it's Gamrack.

1706
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: Yes against Gamrut gam Sorry, I say, Martine Tibora Matteo's Gamrat.

1707
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: I appreciate the correction.

1708
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: He fell a local against Gamrack, but in general has

1709
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: been on a nice looking little ascendency.

1710
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: Dan Hooker.

1711
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: Dan Hooker had lost four or five, but then in

1712
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: his last fight he gets a phenomenal win. So chuck

1713
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: temperature on this one? Did they just put it on

1714
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: because probably Turner is gonna win? You know it's going

1715
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: to be an action fight?

1716
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 2: Why not?

1717
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 5: I think that's true, right, I think this is you

1718
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 5: feel bad for Hooker in this because he keeps fighting

1719
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 5: these guys, so you're like, he loves it.

1720
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 2: I know he loves it. He's gonna be that guy,

1721
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 2: that guy, but.

1722
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 3: He's got like new Shin guard tats in like a

1723
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:41,439
Speaker 3: full back rack.

1724
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 5: I do feel like it's like a showcase for Turner,

1725
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 5: you think, so, yeah, how okay? So Hooker is only

1726
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 5: like I menel like they like him, you know, and

1727
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 5: and he's interesting billy fight like the way he fights

1728
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 5: and everything else.

1729
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 4: And so Hooker become the Australian cowboy seronie, that's the

1730
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 4: real question.

1731
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 2: It's a very Brian Campbell way.

1732
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 4: And would this be the biggest us for a cowboy?

1733
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 2: Kept winning?

1734
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 5: Like he kept winning like cowboy had better wind streak? Yeah,

1735
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 5: that that iya Quinta. What was that wind streak he had?

1736
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 5: He had beat i Helder on Felder. Yes, that was

1737
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 5: like a really nice wind streak that he put together.

1738
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 5: Although somewhat disputed. He's got the willingness of cowboy though.

1739
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 5: I feel like he'll do he'll do that. He just

1740
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 5: I think he needs to compile more victories. But I

1741
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 5: don't know, I just feel like this is a tough

1742
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 5: one for him. I don't know, what do you think?

1743
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very tough one because like the thing

1744
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: is like Dan Hooker will wrestle Turner, but like he

1745
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have gam rock level wrestling, so I feel like

1746
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: that will kind of not work, so he probably will

1747
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: have to be trading on the feet.

1748
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 2: And dude Turner is I know nightmare?

1749
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 4: Yeah he is.

1750
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I even say this, like if you

1751
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: like spiders as like a hobby, definitely something's wrong with you,

1752
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 1: which would be very clear about that, like deserved to

1753
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: be you know, go to a mental institution. But he

1754
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: does seem like a very nice kid. And I think

1755
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: he sold some of them, so he had like a

1756
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: hundred of them or something. He had a drid fucking

1757
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 1: terrant something like that. Somebody did a piece.

1758
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 3: Can you imagine the dude that you reach out to

1759
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 3: on the dark web that like is like the key

1760
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,839
Speaker 3: distributor facilitator of Like if you're gonna if you acquire

1761
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 3: a hundred spiders and then you're like, holy shit, I

1762
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 3: got I got a problem. I gotta get I gotta

1763
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 3: offload about seventy five of these? Who are you calling?

1764
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 3: It's some it's some how shady? Is that guy the

1765
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:21,560
Speaker 3: guy that you call and be like, hey, can you

1766
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 3: help me?

1767
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 2: Can you help you? Just kill them?

1768
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 5: Right, just just poison them.

1769
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 4: I like spiders about as much as I like black licorice.

1770
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 3: And and and women who smoke cigarettes.

1771
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not down on the cigarette smoking

1772
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 2: at all.

1773
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: Black liquorice is good. You'd agree with that, right, No,

1774
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: black licorice deserves to be.

1775
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, that's that's just all shot into space.

1776
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 2: Send that to the bottom of the ocean, next to

1777
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 2: the time.

1778
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 4: Andy to or what you know.

1779
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 2: You know, I couldn't believe.

1780
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: People said that you aren't allowed to make fun of

1781
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,799
Speaker 1: the dudes who died in the submarine. It's like, guys,

1782
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 1: that's all people when I grew up, they were making

1783
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: fun of the Ethiopian Uh you know, starvation. Yes, I know,

1784
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: like you know, the AIDS crisis. The AIDS crisis turned

1785
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:09,839
Speaker 1: into AIDS material.

1786
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 2: It just did.

1787
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 5: Brian Campbell tells us age jokes all day long. It's unbelievable.

1788
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 5: We started this before the show. You had some AIDS No,

1789
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 5: that was just him.

1790
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 3: It was just it was kind of hard five when

1791
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 3: it comes to AIDS. I mean the erection he carries

1792
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 3: around to.

1793
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 2: All right, Well, that's it for us.

1794
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 3: I don't think you you're giving much respect to the

1795
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 3: featured fights on this what.

1796
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 4: I can read you.

1797
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 2: Robby Lawler's on the phone in succession.

1798
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, can we put some respect By the way, the.

1799
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: Great hero of International Fight Week, his fight was the

1800
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: co main event with Robbie excuse me, with Roy McDonald

1801
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: where they had the intense.

1802
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 4: Face off and the one that went to the Hall

1803
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 4: of Fame.

1804
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 2: That yes, that was that was International Fight Week. That

1805
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 2: was a co main event.

1806
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 3: Chuck, do you think one day he will come around

1807
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 3: to our side and realize that Rory versus Robbie was

1808
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 3: better than Robbie versus Conn.

1809
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: With these What these fucking rubes just do not re

1810
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: lies is that fight was not better. It had a

1811
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: really cool face off, it had a really cool stare down,

1812
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: but the fight with condit, the actual fighting content is

1813
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 1: better with Conn.

1814
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 3: There are two fights on this preliminary card that we

1815
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 3: would shoot ourselves for not mentioning. So the Robbi Lawler

1816
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 3: Nico Price fight is certainly headlined by the idea that

1817
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 3: this is it for Rogers and Robbie Waller stepping away.

1818
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 4: You gotta give him credit for linger in for a

1819
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 4: while here.

1820
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 2: A remarkable career.

1821
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 4: A lot of layers, up and downs, a lot of

1822
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 4: he had a lot, I.

1823
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: Mean his first run in the UFC when he got

1824
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: triangled by Evan Tanner, was a failure, and he got

1825
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: knocked out by Nick Diaz and you just because he

1826
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: was he blew away the Tiki Ghostans of the world,

1827
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,759
Speaker 1: everybody else, and then he got dropped with a jab

1828
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: by Nick Diaz. He got he got triangled by Evan Tanner,

1829
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: He goes on a sojourn, eventually finds his way back

1830
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 1: and becomes fucking champion.

1831
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 5: His UFC debut in two thousand and two butchered like

1832
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 5: the division. I mean those fights. Man took years off

1833
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:55,560
Speaker 5: of each show's life.

1834
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: Hendrix and just so many. I mean he did obviously,

1835
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: then Tyro really took over eventually later. But you know

1836
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: that Ashcren fight was nuts. Everything about what Lawler did

1837
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: was incredible. Dude, he made as UFC debut twenty one

1838
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: years ago.

1839
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 3: I know he didn't stay in the UFC that whole time,

1840
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 3: and he's been everywhere in between, but I give him

1841
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 3: so much credit on that short list of your two

1842
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 3: or three favorite fighters to go rewatch on UFC Fight Pass.

1843
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 3: Every fight he was in was fantastic for the most part.

1844
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 2: This is a.

1845
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 4: Fun exit against Negro Price. You know what you're going

1846
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 4: to get from it.

1847
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 3: But Robbie does have that unique estimate because it was

1848
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 3: that point where he was looked at like as the

1849
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 3: overachieving brawler, you know what I mean, who made it

1850
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 3: high up on the Strikeforce level. But when he started

1851
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 3: to climb the UFC title letter, there was still sort

1852
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 3: of a stigma against him.

1853
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 2: And also he I remember, like we so I worked

1854
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 2: on this promotion.

1855
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 1: It's now owned by somebody else, but back then it

1856
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: was a mid Atlantic promotion.

1857
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 2: This was in the aughts.

1858
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: It was called the UWC the Ultimate Warrior Challenge, very

1859
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 1: terrible name. And they brought in Robbie Lawler. I think

1860
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: at the time he was with the either with Icon

1861
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: Sport aka super Brawl or Strikeforce. I can't remember exactly

1862
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: what year that was, but I remember we like they

1863
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: paid for him in met Hughes because they trained together.

1864
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 1: Remember that the dissolution of the Milton fighting systems in

1865
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: their their private facility, and so they paid for them

1866
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 1: to come out and be like the honorary guest.

1867
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 2: And Robbie Lawler fell asleep at the press car.

1868
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: I remember that, I remember, and he did an actual

1869
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: like a Strike Force event to there, like there was

1870
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: a time when he was like he could not give

1871
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 1: a fuck less. Now he still doesn't do the media thing,

1872
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,839
Speaker 1: but his commitment to the craft kind of came back around.

1873
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 1: Guys speaking weird times in their careers, started.

1874
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 2: As barring and all that stuff. At some point he

1875
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:27,839
Speaker 2: just did harm. Yeah.

1876
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember when he when he was champion and

1877
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 3: he came by ahead of UFC two one in twenty sixteen,

1878
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 3: he came to ESPN andret Okamoda happened to be in

1879
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 3: Bristol that week, so the two of us kind of

1880
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 3: Brett interviewed Robbie, but we sat down with him for

1881
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 3: about half hour behind the camera, just shooting the shit,

1882
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 3: and I was marveled at, like, you know, he's not

1883
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 3: a great quote. He doesn't buy into like the trash

1884
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 3: talk thing. He's not going to give you you know,

1885
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 3: He's just sort of going to do the job and

1886
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 3: walk away. But like any question we asked related to

1887
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 3: the fighting, oh dude, like what's your favorite fighter? What

1888
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 3: about this?

1889
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 4: About that?

1890
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 3: Everything was just sort of like, you know what, dude,

1891
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 3: I don't really care about that stuff.

1892
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 4: I just really love to fight.

1893
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 3: That was his answer to every single question about like

1894
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 3: who hit the hardest man.

1895
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 4: What's it like? Tell me?

1896
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 3: You know, I don't really know. I mean, I don't

1897
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 3: really like this stuff. He's like, I just really like

1898
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 3: to fight. He's like, I don't like doing this interview

1899
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 3: at all, know, disrespect you guys. I don't even really

1900
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 3: want to be here. I'd always like, I just I

1901
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 3: just And that was like different from Cowboy, who was

1902
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:19,759
Speaker 3: always a tough interview because you see, he's.

1903
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 2: Just like me.

1904
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 3: He hates everything about enemy except the fight. I gotta

1905
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 3: have to dead wrong myself before anybody else does. I

1906
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 3: mentioned that if w doubleheader of Romero Autistania and JJ

1907
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 3: versus Walley.

1908
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 4: I think that was actually March, right before the pandemic

1909
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 4: and twenty.

1910
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: I think you fought Whitaker on one of the could

1911
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: be on one of the international I did wrong that, Chuck, Yeah,

1912
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: thanks for being here.

1913
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 2: Thanks.

1914
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 4: This is normally the a like Chuck, tell him where

1915
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 4: they can find.

1916
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 5: The guys don't want to find me. I'm on the

1917
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 5: internets at Chuckman. Are you like some share deputies like

1918
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 5: a registry?

1919
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 4: Can we go to the myth dot com and my

1920
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 4: tea been.

1921
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 2: Waiting for you guys to touch feet the whole time

1922
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 2: I was. Now you're married.

1923
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 4: Wow, wow, b C.

1924
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 2: Where can we find you aside from the alley on

1925
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 2: your knees?

1926
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 3: No comment, No, I'm almost got out of here with

1927
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 3: not all those who are lost, Luke are trying to

1928
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 3: be found.

1929
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 2: I think that's fair.

1930
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: This has been our UFC two ninety pre game preview.

1931
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: None of us are going to go, but if you do,

1932
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 1: have a great time. That's Brian Campbell, that's the iceman himself, Chuck.

1933
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 3: In hindsight, how would you define the talk that was

1934
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 3: had among the three of us today?

1935
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 2: Far less stupid than it normally is? Would water like

1936
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 2: men do that? You brought that up at the end.

1937
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 2: You almost forgot your.

1938
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 4: Own call this height.

1939
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 2: It has been a long time.

1940
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 4: Want to change your name?

1941
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 2: Hi? Hey, hold on, not a not a b C

1942
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 2: n LT choice. Going to point that out, not a

1943
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 2: b C and LT choice.

1944
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:54,480
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Chuck, thank you for bringing your Colorado

1945
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 3: and spirit with us.

1946
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 2: Thanks many, Yeah, no problem.

1947
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 4: You know what people from Colorado don't think about all

1948
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 4: the time? Freedom and weed.

1949
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 2: Mostly weed. Yeah, that's true, mostly weed.

1950
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 3: And go go Nuggets, go, also go NBA Denver team.

1951
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,839
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, all right, So there he is Brian Campbell,

1952
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 2: I spaned himself. Lt.

1953
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: Luke Thomas, thank you guys so much for watching. Until

1954
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: next time, enjoy the fights.

1955
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:26,560
Speaker 4: By Nuggets I meant weed. That was yeah,