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Speaker 1: very successful, to say the least, fifty seven in eighteen

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Speaker 2: He does a pretty good job telling you how to

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Speaker 2: Auburn does not feel he's a grown up, right Auburn,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hugh Freeze is where like he had a nice

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Speaker 1: But you freeze, Okay, I don't know what this does.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think it's worth the risk. I think,

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Speaker 2: By the way, the negative recruiting fodder that LSU Texas

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Speaker 1: That's all Allan on Patreon wants to know who leaves

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Speaker 1: that timing is different, but yes, I'm saying a year

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Speaker 1: or two. Yeah, he has a track record of not

431
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: being anywhere for that long, right, true, four seasons has

432
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: been his max. I'm telling you right now he will

433
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: be the next coach at Penn State whenever that comes

434
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 1: to fruition, and I don't think it's going to be

435
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: longer than five years. I think Matt Rule will have

436
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: an opportunity if he wants to to leave for State College.

437
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: The Kirk Farens thing. You know, maybe I just live

438
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: too long through the Joe Paterno era, right, if we

439
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: separate out sort of the scandalous aspects of Paterno and

440
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: how he eventually departed Penn State, there was a good

441
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: long time even before that, when you had this this

442
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: fissure in a sense within the Penn State community. The

443
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: people who loved Joe Paterno and didn't want him to

444
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 1: ever leave, and then the people who were like enough

445
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: of this already. We're running up the middle. Every play.

446
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: The offense is the same as it's been for the

447
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: last twenty years. Something's gotta change. Also, in that instance,

448
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: we had what, at least on the surface, for a

449
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: brief moment in a time, looked like a succession plan

450
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: handing it off to his son, which again went bust.

451
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: That did not work with Jay Paterno. So there's a

452
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: lot of similarity again on a on one level, right

453
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: one very specific level, between Ference and the way things

454
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: went down at at Penn State with Paterno right in

455
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: the late stages of his career. I just think that

456
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: Farence is so much the honorary governor of the state

457
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: that he's only going to leave on his terms whenever

458
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: he sees fit. It's going to be really hard to

459
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: push him out. And knowing that there is already this

460
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: track record with Matt rule not staying in one place

461
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: for too long, I think it's one hundred percent Matt

462
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: rule is the answer here, one hundred percent Matt rule.

463
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: Howl is Kirk Farence. I don't know. He's not thirty,

464
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: he's not thirty.

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Speaker 2: Ference age sixty seven years old. It's going to be seventy,

466
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna do some quick math.

467
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Speaker 1: Boo boo b boo boo boo bo boo boop three years. No,

468
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, man. I think the answer is rule

469
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: by Let's ask another thing about Rule here that came

470
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: to us from Keston on Twitter. Do you think Nebraska

471
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: can make a bowl game in rules first year or

472
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: are they cursed to lose forever? Nothing's forever, Keston. They're

473
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: not cursed. They've had a bad run here. It sucks.

474
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: As a Nebraska fan, I want Nebraska to do better.

475
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: But here's what I'd say about Matt Rule. If we're

476
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: looking at track record, the track record for Rule has

477
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: been that he's been terrible in each of his previous

478
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: two college jobs. In the first season m h and

479
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: then he followed it up with a five hundred campaign,

480
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: and then he followed it up with ten wins or more.

481
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: So it's pretty quick turnaround. He's definitely got this track

482
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: record for doing a really good job within three years.

483
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: The difference, I think is that Nebraska's in a much

484
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: better place than both Temple and Baylor. Baylor was decimated

485
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: after Art Briles, and Temple sucked all the time, all

486
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: the time. With the estion who did he take over for?

487
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: Did he take over for? Al Goldie? Who did he

488
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: jump in for I don't recall the exact state of affairs,

489
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: but he was like one and eleven his first year

490
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: right at Temple. It was a really bad season. So

491
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: my only point here with this is that Nebraska is

492
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: not Temple, It's not Bailor. There is more talent here.

493
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: I took a look at the schedule in twenty twenty three.

494
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: They could go six and six with that, they go

495
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: seven and five, but I think it's gettable and there's

496
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: a lot of things that needs to fill in and

497
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: improve in very short order. But he can absolutely go

498
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: five hundred with that schedule next year. So I think

499
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: it's doable. I don't think they're going to go two

500
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: and ten. I think it's doable Keston. But you know,

501
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: obviously it's it's very early days here in the rural

502
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: era at Nebraska, and you know, we need to see

503
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: who's playing quarterback. We need to see what he's what

504
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: he's going to bring to bear with respect to coordinators

505
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. Well, okay, so first

506
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: of all, it was Steve A. Dazio for two years.

507
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: He took over a four and seven Steve Adazzio Temple program.

508
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 2: When Nadazio I think got the best sea job. That's right,

509
00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: that's from Temple. It is a in terms of Bowl

510
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: season one, I think it's tough. I think we'll know

511
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: pretty quickly in terms of how aggressive Nebraska wants to

512
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: be in the portal. This is shaping up to be

513
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 2: the biggest and most expansive transfer portal in the history

514
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: of three years of portals. But we're already seeing big names,

515
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: are already big name rumors, so I can only imagine

516
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: the medium names and the little names are going to

517
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 2: be vast as well. Nebraska needs to be a player

518
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: in the portal every year for a while, and so

519
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: depending on you know, we got to see who you

520
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: mentioned quarterback, but the staff looks like and how active

521
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 2: they are and filling in gaps. You know a lot

522
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: of teams and I even know my team. I think

523
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: took two defensive linemen from Nebraska last year and their

524
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: defensive line coach. It's it's going to be different because,

525
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 2: as we're seeing everywhere, with so much coach movement comes

526
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: even more portal movement. And that doesn't always happen right away.

527
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: Sometimes a lot of that roster will give the new

528
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: guy a year and say all right, this isn't the

529
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: place for me. This guy didn't recruit me whatever. So

530
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: I almost think year one might be better than the

531
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: year two, that there's going to be so much, so

532
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: much change. But no, I think if you can build

533
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: a defense and you can build a little bit of

534
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: depth through the portal, Nebraska should be bowling. If not,

535
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: you're one year two.

536
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: We got a question here from Nick on Instagram. Yeah,

537
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: and you know you're talking about the portal, which is

538
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: why I thought of this question. He wants to know

539
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: if I'm prepared for Notre Dame quarterback Cade McNamara next season.

540
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: Kate mc and where's he? He's from Nevada. He's from Novada.

541
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: He's from Nevada. But it brings up a really interesting

542
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: point and also a totally new perspective for me. Mm hm.

543
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: The portal era is relatively new. You know, at least

544
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: this much activity in the portal is only like two

545
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: years old, right. This has not been a thing that's

546
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: been with us all that long. I gotta say, as

547
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: a fan of a program that we know going into

548
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: next season is going to need a quarterback, all of

549
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: these announcements about guys entering the portal are very, very exciting.

550
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: I've never been more excited about the transfer portal than

551
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: I am right now as a Notre Dame fan. And

552
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: that's a change for me because for so long, you know,

553
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: it's been you kind of know who the next guy

554
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: up is going to be. And even the Jack Cone thing,

555
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: I'd be moaned Jack Cone, but Jack Cone is pretty

556
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: good in retrospect. Hm, I gotta say, I'm very excited

557
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: about all of these possibilities. I hope they can shoot

558
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: higher than Kid McNamara.

559
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: Right.

560
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: However, even Kid McNamara is a huge upgrade over what

561
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: Notre Dame had this year with Drew Pine. So again,

562
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: I've been making the joke. I'm only half joking, Nick.

563
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: I hope Marcus Freeman's leaving his card on all of

564
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: these lockers of opposing quarterbacks, like, hey, we've got an

565
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: opening in twenty twenty three, stop on by, whether it's

566
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: Kid McNamara or who else? Did you say is a

567
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: Vaia Malie Hornsby? He's available? You know, there are all

568
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: these names that are going to be.

569
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: Entering a bat from I think from Ohio, well not

570
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: from Ohio, excuse me, from Miami, of Ohio. I believe

571
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: I hope I didn't get that wrong. Okay, so you

572
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: can only be your authentic self. Yeah, you are a

573
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: Notre Dame fan. You're a Penn State fan. You are

574
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: a fan of the beneficiaries of the portal, the recipients.

575
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: That's right, that's you're getting the man of from Heaven

576
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: from the portal right now.

577
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: You're not at the Pittsburgh Pirates scenario that we well know.

578
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: It's more like you are not a Memphis fan, right

579
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: you are. You are not an FAU fan. You are

580
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: not a James Madison fan. You know that if anybody

581
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 2: starts an Eastern Washington fan, I am. I had an

582
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: incredible twenty fifteen because of Vernon Adams, right, Probably wasn't

583
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: as fun that year to be an EWU fan. Although

584
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: I think you had Cooper cups, so that's not bad.

585
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: That's not a bad He had like two hundred and

586
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: sixty yards in Audston Stadium. It's exciting from a national

587
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: perspective when you don't root for a team who loses

588
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: or gains somebody important, right if you if you happen

589
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: to root for a team whose roster is consistently gutted

590
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: or at least the top of your roster is gutted

591
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: or is almost gutted. It kind of sucks.

592
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: That sucks. That really does.

593
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: It's kind of the idea of and I'm sure it

594
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: sucks for those coaches too. I'm sure it like even

595
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: more so than like if you're Dan Lanning or Marcus

596
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: Freeman or whatever. You know you're gonna lose guys, but

597
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna gain guys as well. That there

598
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: is a transactional nature to Thanksgiving through MLK whatever in January.

599
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: So I think it's fascinating and I think there will

600
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: be more to come in terms of how from an

601
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: administrative perspective things are dealt with with the portal. Everybody

602
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: sort of rushed to be pro player and say, well,

603
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: of course they can play right away. They should have

604
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: the freedom to move, coaches move. That's all all reasonable,

605
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: that's all but and I don't want to say guard

606
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: rails because I just think it's difficult to institute a

607
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: one rule applies to all type thing. But I wonder

608
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: if we're going to see more and more conversations about, yes,

609
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: all of this is good, you can transfer, but here's

610
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: how that's going to work moving forward, right And be

611
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: more specific, and I know you know that that conversation

612
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: has come to nil and you know just how everything

613
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: how the gears and pulleys should operate in a way

614
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: that's beneficial to as many people as possible.

615
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: Because I don't know, man, it's it.

616
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: It hurts college football on a certain level to see

617
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: this kind of movement movement because it it tamp It

618
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: dampens your excitement for your own team, knowing that you're

619
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: going to lose a bunch of people, and it it

620
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: I think it weakens your connection to the team. Knowing

621
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,239
Speaker 2: that that's possible for a lot of teams. Obviously if

622
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: you're Alabama, it just makes everything great. But also, I

623
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: don't know. Here's my zag. Here's my zag. With the portal,

624
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to see who enters the transfer portal

625
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: and where everything goes, where players go, where you know,

626
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: who's the new coach that recruits super well out of

627
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: the portal and or who's the guy that loses, you know,

628
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: and a fifth of their roster to the portal something

629
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: like that. What if this is maybe a third bake,

630
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: it's not even half baked, ty, What if we said yes,

631
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: you can transfer, and you can go and you can

632
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: play immediately, and you enter the portal and it's a

633
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: more organized structure. What if it were one and done.

634
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: What if you just get a year.

635
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: You're transferring from a school, you get to play right

636
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: away one year, you get hurt in the first four games.

637
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: In the same way you can apply for an injury waiver,

638
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: you get the full you get to you know, have

639
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: the opportunity to get your degree, but you only get

640
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: to play. You get one year of eligibility and sort

641
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: of make it. You're not punishing anybody, very hall passy.

642
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: It's a little bit haul passy. And so then you're

643
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: saying if you want to transfer after your freshman year,

644
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: good luck, because then you're just gonna have to train

645
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: for a year if you think your NFL quality, and

646
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: maybe there's exceptions if your coach leaves or something like that.

647
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: I think, but that to me is interesting, not punishing

648
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: players for transferring on the front end, but just saying

649
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: here is what your eligibility window now looks like. Yeah,

650
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: I mean I want to transfer with immediate, immediate eligibility.

651
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: What I was going to say is, I think we

652
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: are going to a universe in which every fan of

653
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: college football. It would be advisable to have a Group

654
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: of five team that you like and a Power five

655
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: team that you like, so that you cover both your bases.

656
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: Because I agree, it's very clearly going to a point where,

657
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, some of the some of the players at

658
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: a prominent group of five schools, there will be incentive

659
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: for them to look and see what's available in the

660
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: Power five level. And it sucks, right, and you know,

661
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: we don't have to have to bemoan that more than

662
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: we have to. But that's just that's where things are headed.

663
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: And so make sure you your bases if you like

664
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: the sport, is what I'm saying. Yeah, look, maybe it's

665
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: two years. Maybe you get two years, maybe you get

666
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: one year. I don't know though. Man, all right, let's

667
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: go over to Adam on Twitter. Did Dabo try and

668
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: fail to outdo Shane at Beamer Ball? A couple unusual

669
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: for Clemson special teams plays that backfired see a kickoff

670
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: return huddle fumble and the EJ. Pochkick touchback came off

671
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: as arrogant and helped South Carolina win the game. So

672
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: was Dabo trying to be too cute in that thirty

673
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: one to thirty loss in the Palmetto Bowl against South Carolina. Dan,

674
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think part of it is you

675
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: save trick plays for big games. Yeah right.

676
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it's him saying little old South Carolina,

677
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: let's just screw around and do a couple of unorthodox

678
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: things on kick returns or whatever, on pooch punts. I

679
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 2: think you save that for those big moments. You save

680
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: the double pas is, you save the you know, Michigan

681
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: handing the ball off to was he a backup linebacker

682
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: in it full back? When he popped it over with

683
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: a jump pass, you save it. You save the unexpected

684
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: for those big moments against opponents you respect. So I

685
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: don't look at it as arrogant. I just look at

686
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: it as failed. Right that if that little huddle you

687
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: know who has the ball hot potato thing works on

688
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: the kickoff return, we're looking at it as genius. And

689
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: so there are some plays that you can look at

690
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 2: on the face like that does seem kind of silly,

691
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: even if it worked, And maybe that qualifies for that.

692
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 2: But also, and I've been consistent with this, I like aggression,

693
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: I like risks, I like thinking differently. You know, take

694
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: a swing if it ends up looking weird and not

695
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: working out, which that didn't. But it was because of

696
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: a fumble, not because of that actual I think formation

697
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: so be it, take swings, fail, be wrong, look foolish.

698
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: It's better than being an eyeway here him.

699
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: It's better than being eye with it. Here's the question

700
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: I have though, Did he have to do that? They

701
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: need to do that? I mean, it's always easier in

702
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: retrospect to say, when a play blows up, he didn't

703
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: need to do that. He didn't need to go for

704
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: it on fourth down from your own twenty nine Oregon.

705
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: You didn't need to go for two in that specific, weird,

706
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: mathematically curious instance Brian Kelly, which we've seen him do

707
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: in his time at Notre Dame, not so much else.

708
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: You you didn't have to do that. You could have

709
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: done something else and still want That would be the

710
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: question I would ask, right, did he really have to

711
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: do that to beat South Carolina? You don't have to

712
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: do anything. You don't have to do anything. I get that,

713
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: But that I think is the spirit of the question,

714
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: did you really have to do that? I don't think

715
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: it's arrogant. I think it's probably more along the lines

716
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: of what you're describing, which is we've got these trick plays,

717
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: they've been in the quiver all year, we're saving them

718
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: for a big spot in a rival game. Now we're

719
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 1: going to roll them out there. So I get that. Also,

720
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: the hidden benefit, not just of what you see on

721
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: the field, is if a trick play works, even if

722
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: it doesn't go for a big play, those are the tens.

723
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: Those are the types of things that tend to build

724
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: within the ranks within your program. Sure players look forward

725
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: to seeing those plays rolled out there in the wild

726
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: on game day, so there is added benefit to doing it.

727
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: Just didn't work here, and I don't think they needed

728
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: do it when they did, but it certainly wasn't arrogant. Yeah,

729
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: I don't think.

730
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: Look, this is just it's a personal thing, right If

731
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: you think believe football should be played a certain way

732
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 2: and to not get silly and fancy and whatever, that's.

733
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: Your worldview, and you're free to have it.

734
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: Whether it's a fourth down call, whether it's a trick play,

735
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: whether it's the moment for the trick play. We can

736
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: question a number of things, but in terms of fourth

737
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: down calls and aggression, and you know, I think Bill

738
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: Connolly wrote about this. What Ryan Day is being criticized

739
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: for is the opposite but the same of what Dan

740
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: Lanning is being criticized for. It right that you're like,

741
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: you know, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

742
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: But also context matters, and Ohio State should have been

743
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 2: aggressive in that big moment, in those big moments against

744
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: Michigan and Michigan team who was not going away, who

745
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: was giving Ohio State everything it could handle, And in

746
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 2: the context of Dan Lanning going for it from his

747
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: own twenty nine One, they've been very good on fourth

748
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: down this year. Two couldn't stop anybody for the last

749
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: four or five weeks other than Utah, I guess. And

750
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 2: three their punter just dropped the ball on their own

751
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: goal line and so he went into the season as

752
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: backup or third string punter or something like that. So

753
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: they didn't have a lot of confidence in Oregon being

754
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: able to flip the field. So I don't look at

755
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: risky maneuvers in terms of the results. I was like,

756
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 2: I look at risky maneuvers as like, Okay, you're going

757
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: for it on fourth down, what's the intention with this play?

758
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: What's the creativity involved? In this play, are you doing

759
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: something that has never worked and it seems riskier than

760
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: you need to be in the way that you're doing things.

761
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 2: So maybe you say, Okay, that Clemson return huddle thing

762
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: was risky in that I love it. The return huddle

763
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: thing is risky in that, no, I don't think anybody

764
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: has really done it, at least recently successfully, and whatever.

765
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: I'm just not going to criticize them for being aggressive

766
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: and trying. Now you say, okay, let's do like the

767
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: fake handoff as a guy's swinging behind, you know, the

768
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: fake end around thing, kick return or laying down in

769
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: the end zone. There are any number of things you

770
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: can do. I always enjoy the like two punt returners

771
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: back and one guy gives like the fake one him

772
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: right and it's caught elsewhere on the field and totally

773
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: fools the the punt team. But I'm not results oriented

774
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: with this. Okay, I'm manner oriented, but I'm proaggression and

775
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: I'm good with it.

776
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: Next question, let's go to the next question here very quickly,

777
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: we were talking about South Carolina Gary from Twitter. Please,

778
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: as a game Cocks fan, I'm super excited about the

779
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: last or the super excited about what I saw in

780
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: the last two games. From your studies and observations, it

781
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: really makes us sound important. Thank you, Carol. How often

782
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: does a good end of season lead to continued cess

783
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: success versus momentum just dying off with the off season.

784
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: So look, I don't have the numbers here. I don't

785
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: have numbers. I'm sure Bill Connolly has numbers that would

786
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: back this up one way or the other. That said,

787
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: this is like my favorite thing to look at the

788
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: off season. Yeah, I go by this is what I

789
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: go by. I'll go by this going into bowl season.

790
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: I think it's very useful as a tool for picking

791
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: confidence pools, which we will be doing over after bowlers

792
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: dot Com. But I really believe in momentum and I

793
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: think it's a thing that you can use as an

794
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: effective tool to gauge how a program's going to do

795
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: in the following season. South Carolina actually is a very

796
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: good example of it. This season. South Carolina finished eight

797
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: and four this year. Great season. They closed out in

798
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: dramatically impressive fashion, beating two top ten teams. What did

799
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: they do at the end of last season, Well, they

800
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: were lucky to get into a bowl game. They went

801
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: to the Duke's Mayo Bowl. They won. Shane Biemer had

802
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: the vat of you know, almost got a concussion getting

803
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: the mayo dumped on his head, but nonetheless they were

804
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: able to hold up the Duke's Mayo Bowl trophy. They

805
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: took that momentum into the off season. They were aggressive

806
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: in the portal, which of course helped. But it all

807
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: built to a point where now they're eight and four,

808
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: they're going to go to a good bowl game. They

809
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: had two really impressive wins here to close out the season,

810
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: and it feels as if it is just building on itself.

811
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: I think that's important. You heard me talk about it

812
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: at nauseum in the early days of Brian Kelly at

813
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, some of those early teams, Right the momentum

814
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 1: that they took with them into a bowl game throughout

815
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: the latter half of a season, it built into the

816
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: beginning part of the next season. Eventually they got that

817
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: flywheel going. Not to sound too marketing, but you know,

818
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: I think it helps. I think it all builds on itself.

819
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: So I would much rather be South Carolina going into

820
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three than I would say Miami. It's a

821
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: state of Miami right now, right there was just a

822
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: thing you sent me. They couldn't even get stued to

823
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: hop on the bus to come to the stadium for

824
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: Miami games. So that would be the opposite of positive momentum.

825
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: It might take a while for Mario to build it up,

826
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: and I believe still that he will, okay, but it'd

827
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: much rather be South Carolina with the just two different circumstances,

828
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: two different in terms of my second year coach. Yeah, yeah,

829
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: much much different. But the trajectory of one does not

830
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: necessarily equal that of the other.

831
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: So I think maybe typically in years past, ten, fifteen

832
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: years ago, what you're saying probably is true. But South

833
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: Carolina just had their offensive coordinator hired away by Matt Ruhle. Yes,

834
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: Marcus Sadderfield, I believe so. As assistants are more mobile,

835
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 2: as so much changes year to year because of the portal,

836
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 2: because of early NFL declarations, because of uh just changes

837
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: to the sport in general, I think it's harder to

838
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: say this is how we finished, this is how we're

839
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: going to continue to be. Now, if there is relative

840
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 2: stability within your program and you bring a good chunk

841
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 2: of players, you bring back a good chunk of coaches,

842
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: and you add guys who fit in well in the

843
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: locker room and the culture. I think you're probably largely right.

844
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: It's easier to win when you're happy than it is

845
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: to win when you're dysfunctional. And it seems like if

846
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: things are somewhat consistent within the program and you win

847
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: near the end of a year, you at least go

848
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: into the next season in a good place. But also,

849
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: guys just get hurt, right, Guys just fumble the ball

850
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: at an opportune times, and so all of the pieces

851
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: can be there, and then the universe says like, well,

852
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 2: you won that game twenty eight twenty seven last year,

853
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: you're losing it twenty eight twenty seven this year. And

854
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: so there's too much with football that's up in the air,

855
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: and there's too small a sample size to me. Whereas,

856
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: like you look at the NBA with eighty two games,

857
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: if a team finishes really really well in their last

858
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: twenty even if they don't make the playoffs or something

859
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: like that, and that team coming back the next year,

860
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 2: and that coaching staff is coming back the next year,

861
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 2: I would generally feel better about an NBA team finishing

862
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: strong than a college football team, just because there's so

863
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: many moving pieces that even if there's harmony in the

864
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: locker room, even if everybody's.

865
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: Feeling good, I don't know.

866
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: Schedules are so variable that I just sort of try

867
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: and fail, but try to take each season as its own, living,

868
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: breathing thing and then throw it out and move forward.

869
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: Like what do we think about last year with Arkansas? Right,

870
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: kJ Jefferson emerges as this good point. Sam Pitman is

871
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: his revelation, finally gets this opportunity at a big place,

872
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: you know, energizes things. They hit the portal hard, they

873
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: beat who they beat Penn State right in the bowl game.

874
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: They beat a top tier team in front of everybody

875
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: in a medium to large size bowl game. I forget

876
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 2: which one it was exactly. You know, they send Traylon Burks,

877
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: He's one of the best three receivers in the country

878
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: to the NFL. I think he's good in the NFL.

879
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: Like there's so much positive about Arkansas Moving into twenty

880
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: twenty two, kJ Jefferson gets hurt. Defense falls apart. They

881
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: lose an all's sec caliber safety early on, and the

882
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: season is just kind of a mess. They have the

883
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: text A and M opportunity and they don't get to

884
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 2: lose like all of the good juju that was happening

885
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 2: in Fayetteville, no kind of quickly evaporated through just football things.

886
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: And so that's why. And that's an example. That's not

887
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: an exception that proves anything, but that's what I would

888
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: go back to when I think about momentum heading into

889
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 2: an off season.

890
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: Fair Enough, we've got a few more questions here before

891
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: we flip it over to the Patreon exclusive portion of this. Here,

892
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: Q and A Dan. While I am reading this question,

893
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 1: I want you to pull up on your computer, okay,

894
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: on your touchtne keypad. Would love to the standings for

895
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: both the SEC and the Big Ten. Okay, I have

896
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: it already.

897
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: I always have standings up when we'd record shows, just

898
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: because I'm stupid and I need to refer things.

899
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: A terrific question from aj Morse four on Instagram. Let's

900
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: say SEC versus Big Ten challenge, mind them up one

901
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: through fourteen and have them play. Ok what happens. So

902
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: here's what we're gonna do. We have not pre rehearsed

903
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: this obviously. I want you to list out as you've

904
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: got the standings in front of you. I want you

905
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: to list out number fourteen versus number fourteen. We're gonna

906
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: quick pick who wins. I will keep track of the

907
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: tally here, whether it's SEC, whether it's Big Ten, and

908
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna give aj very quickly, rapid fire. We're not

909
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: going to go into like deep seated analytical stuff on

910
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: any of these games, but we're gonna give him very

911
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: quickly the results on who wins that challenge between the

912
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: SEC and the Big Ten.

913
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,959
Speaker 2: All right, So Vanderbilt is as promising as those last

914
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: late couple wins were. They gave up the most points

915
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: in the SEC on and five against rank teams, or

916
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: at least to text A and M with the same

917
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: record three and two against AP ranked teams RS. Weirdly enough,

918
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 2: So Vanderbilt against Northwestern, Yeah, Vandy Northwestern, Vanderbilt's beating Northwestern.

919
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: I think I would take Vandy there, yep, Okay, what's next?

920
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: I guess we'll go just in terms of what I'm

921
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: seeing here, I guess Auburn, Okay, at thirteen sure against

922
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: home wreckers, I think so, I think it would have

923
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: to be. Yeah, I would take Auburn.

924
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: I would definitely take Auburn, right, so that's two two

925
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: for the SEC. Next up, the next worst team I

926
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: think in the Big Ten would probably be Indiana, Indiana

927
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: A and M probably go A and M. Right, yeah,

928
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: seventeen thirteen A and L. Sure, all right. Next next

929
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: worst in the Big Ten is either well, it's probably Nebraska.

930
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: I was gonna say either Nebraska or Michigan State, but

931
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: it's Nebraska. Who is next up for the SEC.

932
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: Either Arkansas or Missoo who won that game at the

933
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: end of the year Missoo believe it was Missoo. So

934
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: we'll say Arkansas.

935
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: So we're gonna say Arkansas. I take Arkansas.

936
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: Arkansas v. Who Sorry I miss what you said. Over Nebraska,

937
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: I think I would take Arkansas for Nebraska's well, nice

938
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 2: finish for Nebraska.

939
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: Though, Michigan State would be the next one up here

940
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: on the totem pole. Yeah, Michigan State. They would have Missoo.

941
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: They would either have Missoo or Florida, who won the

942
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: Missoo Florida.

943
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: Game this year. I think Florida won that. Florida won that,

944
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: So we'll say Missoo. Yeah, I mean Missoo plays defense,

945
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: they do, and Michigan State kind of a mess. Down

946
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,479
Speaker 1: the stretch, so I think i'd probably take MISSOO again

947
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: another SEC team, I think I would take my Zoo

948
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 1: SEC's five and oh here as we work from the bottom. Yeah,

949
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: let's keep going. All right, let's do this quickly. Mixed

950
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: up on the Big ten side, I would say is

951
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: probably Wisconsin. So now we're saying Florida or Wisconsin. Florida

952
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: Wisconsin is what what I think we decided on. Yeah,

953
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: so Florida, Florida Wisconsin. I think I.

954
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: Florida finished the season basically demolishing South Carolina, throwing a lot,

955
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 2: but coming up short against Florida State, losing to Vandy.

956
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: Whatever you want to say as a free class comfortably

957
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: beating A and M. I don't think if if you're

958
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 2: gonna look at Florida.

959
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: Has as a weakness team, it's their defense. I don't

960
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: think Wisconsin's good enough. That's the thing I don't think.

961
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: I don't think right six and o SEC. Next up

962
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: for the Big ten is probably let's say Maryland.

963
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so above Florida, we'll say it's Kentucky.

964
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: It's seven and five Maryland against Kentucky. I'd probably pick Maryland.

965
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: I think Kentucky is one two three CanCon. Somebody asked,

966
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: by the way, the difference between pack it up pack

967
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: it in? Yeah, the same thing, the same thing. I think.

968
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: I think one two three CanCon is you're already gone.

969
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: I think pack it up pack it in is in

970
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: the process of packing. Okay, that's what I take. Two

971
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: different stages of yeah.

972
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

973
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: Giving Kentucky Maryland an incredible basketball matchup historically.

974
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: I go, I go Maryland. Kentucky's out of it.

975
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 2: So Maryland got shut out by Penn State. From where

976
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: Will Ebs transferred, I mean nothing, nothing I'm gonna take.

977
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: We're talking all neutral site games. Yeah, I might take

978
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: Maryland there. All right, we'll take Maryland there. We'll maybe

979
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: six to one in favor of the SEC very quickly.

980
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: Let's go. We're halfway, let's go. Let's keep going. But

981
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: next up Minnesota Minnesota.

982
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, and then my team, I guess Minnesota or

983
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: excuse me, Minnesota. So South Carolina are Ole Miss. We

984
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: will go ole Miss because South Carolina three and two

985
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: against ranked teams Ole Miss.

986
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: One and one, taking ole Miss there. Yeah, next up,

987
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: so next will be South Carolina, South Carolina against I

988
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: guess Iowa.

989
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: Mmmm.

990
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: That's an interesting matchup. I might take Iowa there on

991
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: a neutral field, I'm gonna take Iowa. We'll give you

992
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: a big ten one. All right, movie on very quickly.

993
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: We've got seven and two for the sec. Let's go

994
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: over to.

995
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't even know South Carolina. With the way

996
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 2: they finished, I'm seduced a little bit. Let's just give

997
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: one to the Okay, big charitable Okay, Illinois, So Illinois

998
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: or Mississippi State. Oh god, I'm inclined to go Illinois.

999
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 2: What did Illinois finish against AP teams?

1000
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: I mean they're November, They're November. It was terrible. There

1001
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: were one in three.

1002
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're pretty mistake run. I'm gonna Mississippi State.

1003
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: There, all right? You talking in too, We'll go Mississippi State.

1004
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: Eight and two in favor. Yep. Perdue is next Perdue

1005
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: against I guess Alabama. Okay, so we go Alabama, yep.

1006
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: Nine and two. Next up would be Penn State.

1007
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 2: Penn State would be depending on who you would to

1008
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: start at quarterback, Tennessee I mean right now, would probably

1009
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: be Penn State, although I guess we could flip flop

1010
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: Tennessee Alabama Tennessee's seventh Alabama sixth, which is weird considering

1011
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: they played each other and both ten and two. So

1012
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 2: Tennessee against Penn State, you said, yeah, we'll go starting

1013
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 2: at quarterback for Tennessee, Joe Milton. Joe Milton. So they

1014
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: play this game tomorrow. Yeah, Penn State, I Michael Penn

1015
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 2: State with the current state of the Tennessee defense.

1016
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: And then we've got Ohio State and Michigan is our

1017
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: final two.

1018
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 2: So Ohio State Michigan, and so then you would have

1019
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 2: Ohio State LSU.

1020
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: I take Ohio State.

1021
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: LSU, by the way, ranked behind both, but they won

1022
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: the division. So I guess we're going with LSU, Ohio

1023
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: State LSU.

1024
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: I'd go Ohio State, and then Georgia against Michigan. I

1025
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: still take Georgia. I still go Georgia. So the long

1026
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: winded answer to this was the final tally eleven and three,

1027
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: ten and four four favorite the SEC. All right, let's

1028
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: do one final non college football question here before we

1029
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: cut over. In a in a complete capacity to our

1030
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: Patreon world, Dan, let's go to your favorite Thanksgiving leftover recipe. Dan,

1031
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: This is from the Thanksgiving leftover recipe. Your favorite Thanksgiving

1032
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: leftover recipe, the example being turkey chili. Well, that's a good,

1033
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: that's a good one favorite Thanksgiving. I don't know. Usually

1034
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: I just stuff everything onto a sandwich and it's nothing

1035
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: that glorious. How about a cold turkey sandwich.

1036
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 2: Cold turkey sandwich, if you like the cranberry sauce, throw

1037
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: that on there, stuffing on there. Honestly, I I'll throw

1038
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 2: it in the toaster oven. I just there's nothing specific.

1039
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 2: I just want another Thanksgiving me all some stuffing and

1040
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: broccoli casserole and turkey if you've got it. Something I

1041
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: do like to use, though, for leftovers in general, which

1042
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: you could very easily use with Thanksgiving stuff is instead

1043
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 2: of a sandwich, to make a hash, essentially a scramble

1044
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: or something like that. If you got a bunch of

1045
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 2: crispy potatoes, eggs, and if you want turkey, if you

1046
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: don't want turkey, stuffing, all of that would be great

1047
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: in a hash, like some sort of scrambly hash. I'm

1048
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: just into because you just it's that old.

1049
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: Where do they do this?

1050
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 2: I think Rochester, New York, is known for it, but

1051
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: they do it all over the Midwest and Northeast, like

1052
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: the garbage plate right where you just like have a

1053
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: plate full of stuff, mix it with eggs, throw a

1054
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 2: bunch of hot sauce on top, and then just don't

1055
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 2: move for the rest of the day. I think it's Rochester,

1056
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: New York that's famous for their garbage plate, but maybe

1057
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 2: I'm wrong about that. You can do it with a soup,

1058
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 2: you can do it with a salad, you can do

1059
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 2: it with whatever else. You can throw turkey out of

1060
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 2: pizza of course.

1061
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other way I would do it.

1062
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: Is, you know, make a hash and then roll it

1063
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: up in a tortilla and make like a breakfast burrito

1064
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving leftover thing.

1065
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: That would be delicious. But now sandwich or hash I

1066
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: think is the way sandwich has all right, So here

1067
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: is the deal. One in all going out to verballers

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Speaker 1: dot com. If you're going out to forballers dot com.

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Speaker 1: If you sign up, you will hear a continuous audio

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Speaker 1: file of part one and two. We're going to keep

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Speaker 1: going even after we hit stop here on the public feed.

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Speaker 1: We would encourage you again to go out to verballers

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Speaker 1: dot com and check that out. Soliverblelive dot com. If

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be in the Atlanta area on Friday evening.

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Speaker 1: Terminal West is where the show will be at six

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Speaker 1: thirty pm Eastern time. As Dan said, more than enough

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Speaker 1: time to come out to the show, to watch the

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Speaker 1: games afterwards, maybe to come out and do tenders with tie.

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Speaker 1: Tender to tie coming out soliverablelive dot com, Smell ties

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Speaker 1: hair dot com. If you're a weirdo either way, we

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Speaker 1: love you all the same here in the Verballer hood.

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Speaker 1: Go on out and make sure you support us live.

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Speaker 1: If you like the show, we'd love to meet you,

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Speaker 1: love to shake your hand. Dan. That does it for

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Speaker 1: part one of this here, Q and a bruine as

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Speaker 1: we call it. That's true in the verball You just

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Speaker 1: have some that was brewed this morning. Dan. Let's keep

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Speaker 1: this thing going. Okay, all right, thank you everybody.

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Speaker 2: If you are not on Verballers dot com and you're

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Speaker 2: not able to listen to the the real stuff.