1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody walking to move the sticks? DJ? Bucky 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: back with you, Buck? How you doing man, Man? I'm good, DJ, 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: I am good. This is a fantastic part of the year. 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: I noticed sports schedule is all walky because of the 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: where you were reacting to the pandemic, lashing and affected. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: But to be able to see NHL, NBA, Baseball and 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: everything kind of coming together one time, I think it's 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: been a fascinating study and so I think it's a 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: great time if you're a sports fan. I don't know 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: if he gets much better than where we are at 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: right now in the middle of the summer, once we 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: see football kickoff. Alright, we got some some good things 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: to touch on today. We're gonna hit on Nikil Harry 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: trade request. I'm gonna go back, which is always good 16 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: thing to do, go back in time to when he 17 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: was coming into the draft. What did we think about 18 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: him strengths, weaknesses, and whether or not this could work 19 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: for him somewhere else. It hasn't necessarily worked there in 20 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: New England. And then I want to talk about the 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: quarterback position and some new contracts that could be on 22 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: the horizon here and what we think should be the 23 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: best pathway forward for the teams in that regard, and 24 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: also some position battles in the a f C. But 25 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: before we get to all that stuff you just mentioned, Uh, 26 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: we just wrapped up a hockey season, and I know 27 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: Buck that you've done a little homework here on how 28 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Lightning have been built team coming off 29 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: back to back NHL Stanley Cup titles here, So what 30 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: did you learn? You know? DJ is funny, right, because look, 31 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: we we love talking about football, but I think we're 32 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: in the team building, culture building, uh studying process, and 33 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: I think when you think about the Tampa Bay Lightning, 34 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: they will go down as one of the best dynasties 35 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: that we've seen in recent memory. This is a team 36 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: that has not only won back to back Stanley Cup titles, 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: but they've been a dominant team. I want to say 38 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: they have seventy playoff wins over the last seven or 39 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: eight seasons. There a team that is enjoying a run 40 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: that I mean, we really haven't seen in a long 41 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: long time. And so whenever you have that kind of success, 42 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: I think you try to figure out what is that 43 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: they are doing that teams or general managers and outsport 44 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: can take and move forward to maybe create their own 45 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: dynasty or have their own successful runs. And so there 46 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: were three things that I stole or that I learned 47 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: from the Tampa Bay Lightnings run. The first one, patients 48 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: pays off. When you think about their coach, John Cooper. 49 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: He's the longest tenor coach in the NHL. He has 50 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: a uh what they call a points percentage of six 51 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: six four seven. It ranks second all time behind Scotty Bowman. 52 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: And even though you were thinking like, well, of course 53 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: they're gonna keep a coach who's being that successful, when 54 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: you go back and look DJ they lost the Stanley 55 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: Cup Finals eighteen, they lost in the Eastern Conference Finals 56 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: in seven games series. Twenty nineteen, they had the best 57 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: record in the NHL and they were swept in the 58 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: first round. And so when you think about the knee 59 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: jerk reaction, because we kind of talked about this on 60 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: the podcast the other day, how more teams need to 61 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: exhibit patients. This is team that after that failure in 62 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, they could have moved on from the coach 63 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: and blew up the team because they had a five 64 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: game a five year rome where they couldn't necessarily get 65 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: it done, but because they stayed the course, they now 66 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: rewarded with back to back titles and they have an 67 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: opportunity to really be maybe a dominant team for the 68 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: next two or three years because he understands how they 69 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: get it done and they have a level of consistency 70 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: and stability within the organization that all of the pieces fit. Yeah, 71 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: it brings me back to that conversation had with Rick 72 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: old Check. You know, Eddie old Chick's brother, Rick is 73 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: is an executive in the personnel department for the Seattle 74 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: Cracking So the new expansion team up there, but sat 75 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: next to him on an airplane and we had a 76 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: great talk about scouting and the differences between the sports, 77 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: and he brought up the fact that everything in hockey 78 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: at this point in time, and this is a few 79 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: years back, it's two things. It's speed and skill. That 80 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: is it, Like, that's what you're scouting. You know, used 81 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: to be able to it was physicality and having guys 82 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: that could bang and do those things and having kind 83 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: of those different uh you know, we talked about in 84 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: receivers you want the different skill sets, the different you know, 85 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: like a basketball team point guard, power forward, center. He 86 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: was making it sound like in hockey, we really want 87 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: to just get as many fast, skilled players on the 88 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: ice as you possibly can because it's just a more 89 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: open game than it used to be. You know, it's 90 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: funny because that leads me to another point that UM, 91 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 1: I got from watching and studying the Lightning draft. Develop 92 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: and resign your own stars. So the Lightning have been 93 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: able to do it because they certainly have a homegrown team. 94 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: When you look at their stars, a lot of their 95 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: stories were drafted by them, developed by them, and they 96 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: were able to resign them at below market deals. Part 97 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: of that is because you make them feel very, very comfortable. Um. 98 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: The other part is they were able to identify some 99 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: guys who other teams may be passed on or overlooked 100 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: because they opted for speed and skill oversize at the time. 101 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: They elected to zig when everyone else was zagging, when 102 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: everyone else wanted the enforces to kind of beat you 103 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: up and kind of grind it out. They are different 104 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: guys that could allow them to play fast. As the 105 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: NHL open up the rules and allowed it to become 106 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: more of a not a finesse game, but more of 107 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: an artistic game. They had enough guys that can zip 108 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: around the ice and do it. And so it is 109 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: really to me about let's go with players over prototypes, 110 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: meaning I want really good players who are skilled and athletic, 111 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: who we are able to kind of put the fucking 112 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: in the in the basket as opposed to these prototypes, 113 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: which were your bigger, meaner bullies that were kind of 114 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: muck up the game and kind of make it um 115 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: really very difficult to score. And so I think they 116 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: were able to do it in the final caveat when 117 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: it came to draft, develop, and re sign your stars. 118 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: I don't think you can underestimate being a first class 119 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: organization that puts the players first, meaning give them everything 120 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: they want so they don't want to go anywhere, so 121 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: we can talk about Florida and no state tax and 122 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: all of those other things. Part of the reason they've 123 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: been able to secure these players is they can say, 124 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: why would you want to go anywhere else? We have 125 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: everything that, um, you won't right here, so why not 126 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: just stay here and doing something very very creative. And 127 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: how they've been able to keep their own guys, Yeah, 128 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: I was thinking about it from a football standpoint, if 129 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: we're talking about speed and skill, and you think about 130 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: some of the offensive explosions we've seen since two thousand 131 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: and you look at the Rams Greatest show on turf, 132 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: that was a lot of speed and a lot of skill, 133 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: UM and how they operated. You think about more recently, 134 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: obviously currently with Kansas City and Baltimore. UM, Kansas City 135 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: with the speed on the on the perimeter. Baltimore with 136 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: the speed at quarterback, and how that changes things with 137 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: his speed and unique skill set. And then I started 138 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: thinking about, well, what about the dynasties that we've had though, 139 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: if you really look and go nineties, uh forty niners 140 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: was probably more speed and skill the way they were 141 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, constructed. I know everybody say, oh Jerry Rice 142 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: didn't run that fast. He played ridiculous fast. And then 143 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: you look at the Cowboys, which was a more you know, 144 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: ground and pound, you know, more of a physical approach. 145 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: The New England Patriots their long dynasty. I would say, 146 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: what would you say to me? I would lean more 147 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: towards that was more of a physical football team, defensive 148 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: oriented than a speed and skill team. Yeah, I think 149 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: I think that is certainly true. And I think the 150 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: conversation we're touching onto is my final point. Build a 151 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: team that is tougher to play, meaning they can switch 152 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: styles whenever the styles are needed. When you think about 153 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: the New England Patriots, I think that's a great point 154 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: because when we see the Patriots, we always talk about 155 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: their snowflake game plans, how each and every week they 156 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: can change their style. What to be able to do that, DJ, 157 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: you have to have some speed and skill. You have 158 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: to have some some tough guys, some enforcers, and you 159 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: have to have the nimbleness and the agility as a 160 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: coaching staff to know when to grind it out when 161 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: to open it up. And I think for the Tampa 162 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 1: Bay Lightning they now have that because in recent years 163 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: they made trades to a choir and forces to beef 164 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: up their defense because their goal was and we want 165 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: to be able to play in shootouts or we're gonna 166 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: be able to grind it out however you want to play. 167 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: Us were adapt and we're good at either style. And 168 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: when you're able to, as we say, not be so 169 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: one dimensional in any approach, he gives you a chance 170 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: to always find yourself to the winner circle, and so 171 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: we talked about Baltimore and their speed. Can Baltimore add 172 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: another element that allows them to play when they say, 173 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: oh no, we're not gonna let you play the way 174 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: that you want to play. We're gonna make you play 175 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: this way. But are you good enough to play that way? 176 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: Because when you can do that, that's when the long 177 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: term success, and that's when you have the opportunity to 178 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: have a dynasty like the Patriots had most recently in 179 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: the last twenty years. No doubt, I think it's fascinating. 180 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: It's always good to study championship teams and other sports 181 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: because I think we can learn something and carry it 182 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: over to football. Um, all right, we saw this report 183 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: just came out the other day and to kill Harry. 184 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: First round wide receivers, I think believe the only first 185 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: round wide out and the Bill Belichick era there that 186 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: they've drafted in New England hasn't worked out for him. 187 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: He's been injured, a little bit, lack of production. I 188 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: know in the statement he complained about the targets you know, 189 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: neither here nor there. But to me, first of all, 190 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on, you know, going 191 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: through the process of formally requesting a trade. Your thoughts 192 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: on that, and then we'll get into whether or not 193 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: to kill Harry can be salvage somewhere else. I think 194 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: the kill Harry in his agents, his representatives are probably Look, 195 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: they they always tell you in football, don't count the numbers. 196 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: Don't count the numbers in line, don't count the number 197 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: of guys in your position room. Look, you play it out, 198 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: go to training camp, and do the best that you 199 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: can do, and ultimately you can win a job. I 200 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: think what he's doing, he's thinking, they brought over Kendrick 201 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: Born and paid him some money. They have Nelson Aguilar 202 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: and paid him some money. They have John Smith and 203 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: Hunter Henry, even though they aren't quote unquote in the 204 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: same room. He is looking around like, man, I might 205 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: be the last I might be left out because Kobe 206 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,599 Speaker 1: Meyers is still there. They have some other guys that 207 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: kind of rotate in the mix. Where am I going 208 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: to kind of get in? And so he probably he 209 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: was trying to be proactive. That's it to me. It 210 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: is a little troubling when he does request the trade 211 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: only two years into his NFL career. Um, you would 212 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: like to think that the light bulb potentially would come on. 213 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: So you wanted as he already quit in his mind 214 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: on the Patriots when it comes to being able to 215 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: ever be a player that they thought that he would 216 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: be as a number one overall pick. I know some 217 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: would say, well, selfishly, he should look out for himself 218 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: and try and put himself in the best situation. I 219 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: get that, But to me, it's a little bit of 220 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: a defeatist mindset that he's exhibiting. And I just don't 221 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: know from a toughness standpoint if I want to take 222 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: on a player who exhibits those qualities, because when it 223 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: does get tough for him in a new environment, easy 224 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: gonna throw the cards into the middle of table and 225 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: say I can't do it. Or is he going to 226 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: give me a value affort to kind of dig himself 227 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: and climb himself out of this hole that he finds 228 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: himself in. Yeah. I mean, look, it's a notoriously tough 229 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: place for young wide receivers to find success. It's not. 230 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: It's not a simpler stick system um and guys struggle 231 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: to adjust. It's why they've you know, continually gone into 232 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: the free agent market and brought in veterans um into 233 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: their situation there. It's just tough. It's tough for guys 234 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: to come up through there, uh and find success. You 235 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: can find you know, you can look at the Welker's, 236 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: the Edelman's, those guys actually wasn't Walker wasn't from their 237 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: Edelman was from there. But I'm trying to think of 238 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: other guys that if they've been developed there outside Edelman, 239 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: who who is there? They haven't uh dj they have 240 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: been drafted a receiver in the first three rounds that 241 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: has been successful since Dion Branch. Uh d n Branch 242 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: was the m v P in a Super Bowl, but 243 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: like he was a second round pick coming out of 244 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: Louisville who had some success there. But I wouldn't say 245 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: that Dion Branch was ever a top five receiver, uh 246 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: maybe not even a top ten receiver. I felt like 247 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: he was a guy that was, uh a player who 248 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: was really really successful within that system. Go back to 249 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: like Troy Brown, man, I mean even that, and they 250 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: inherited Troy Brown because I want to say he was 251 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: already there when the Belichick and those guys got there. 252 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: And so I think this is a bit of an 253 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: indictment on their developmental program. Well, not two things, an 254 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: indictment on their identification and their development program. I don't 255 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: know if they necessarily I D the right receivers for them, 256 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: because when you think of some of the guys that 257 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: have failed Chad Jackson, UM, Aaron Dobson, Uh, there have 258 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: been others that they've taken higher that haven't been successful. 259 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: And so when you have a series of failures at 260 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: wide receiver, there's something that you're doing wrong at the organization. 261 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: Either you don't know exactly what you're looking for the position, 262 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: or you don't have the wherewithal to take a young 263 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: guy and make him better within your system. While someone say, well, 264 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: look at some of the free agents, look at Jakobe 265 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: Myers and and those guys. Yeah, but underrapt the free 266 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: agent doing a former quarterback like that's great, But you 267 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: gotta hit on your first three picks in this league. 268 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: This league is about first, second, and third round picks 269 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: being able to thrive and succeed. And if you have 270 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: a long track record of not being able to hit 271 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: all those picks at wide receiver, there's something wrong with 272 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: your draft. And did you draft and developed system? I 273 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: was curious, you know, going back and looking at my report, 274 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: I thought, okay, I don't think I was a huge 275 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: to kill Harry Fan. I went back and looked at it. 276 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: He was my thirty seventh player. Um, so I didn't 277 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: have him as a first round guy. But the report 278 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: actually reads pretty good. Here, I'll give you the report. 279 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: Big physical wide out with strong hands and run after 280 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: the catch talent. Isn't sudden his release, but he powers 281 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: through press coverage. He's a depth that using his big 282 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: frame to wall off the fenders underneath and down the field. 283 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: He wins a lot of fifty fifty balls. He has 284 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: a special ability to adjust down the field see the 285 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: twirling catch versus usc after the catch, has the strength 286 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: to break tackles, and he's surprising the elusive uh. He 287 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: has punt return value despite lacking elite top speed. Overall, 288 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: Harry isn't a burner but his but his size and 289 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: physicality plus his ball skills will make him a fantastic 290 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: option on third down and inside the red zone. So 291 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: that's kind of how I thought he would be used 292 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: and where he could find some success and and just 293 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: hasn't really happened in a sample size. Yeah, Look, it's 294 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: been a brief sample size, But uh so much of 295 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: succeed in the league is fit within scheme. The majority 296 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: of players that we evaluate, they need to fall into 297 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: the right scheme for their skills to really shine and 298 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: for them to be the players that we project them 299 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: to be. I think for Nikkila Harry, Nikila Harry needed 300 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: to be in a system that was a get the 301 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: ball to him, meaning I never thought he was necessarily 302 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: a premier route runner, but I thought the best thing 303 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: that he did was after the catch, and because he 304 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: wasn't a burner, he needed to be on a system 305 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: that kept him on the move, crossing routes, deep overs, 306 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: things where he didn't slow down so then he would 307 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: get the ball in his hands and then he could 308 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: be the running back on the perimeter, much like we've 309 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: seen the deepo Samuel's and Brandon a Juk's has success 310 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. He needed to be in that kind 311 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: of system. And so until he understands exactly who he 312 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: is as a player, and until the team, whichever team 313 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: that is, understands his s way of playing to have success, 314 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: he is always going to have some stumbling blocks as 315 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: he tries to find his way into the nest Football leag. Yeah, well, 316 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: see what happens if the if the Patriots whacks and 317 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: make the move or not to be determined. We'll follow 318 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: that one as we go along here. I want to 319 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: get to these quarterbacks and some contracts that appear to 320 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: be on the horizon here. Let's start first with Lamar Jackson, 321 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: because I think this is the most fascinating one. It 322 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: doesn't again no agent for Lamar, right, so that makes 323 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: it doubly interesting. But here's my here's my thoughts on it, 324 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: and then I want to get your take on it. Bucket. 325 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: To me, when you look at the way you kind 326 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: of structure these things, you always want to be able 327 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: to announce a win, right, So if you're the player 328 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: after the contracts announced, you want to say I got 329 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: the most guaranteed money, I got the highest average per year, 330 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: whatever whatever hill you want to land on to be 331 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,239 Speaker 1: able to you know, wave the flag of your contract 332 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: to me. If I'm the Ravens, I'm willing to go high, 333 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: like very high on the average per year. But I 334 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: want this basically to be a three year contract. It's 335 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: a three year deal with a ton a ton of 336 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: money and jammed into those three years. But after three years, 337 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: if things go well, Lamar, you get another bite at 338 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: the apple, you can come back in and what we 339 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: do another deal and you're gonna, you know, just continue 340 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: to get market prices. But if somehow your body were 341 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: to break down with the way that you play. It 342 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: hasn't thus far, but that would be in the back 343 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: of my mind. If I'm the Ravens saying, Okay, I 344 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: we love him, we believe in him, But do I 345 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: want to lock myself in here for six years? I 346 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to do that. I'd be I'd be 347 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: more comfortable giving him more money in uh in an 348 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: average per year, but making it so however you want 349 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: to shape it, but so that at the end of 350 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: three years we can kind of reset and figure out 351 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: what we want to go from there. You know, I 352 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: think I think this is a tricky evaluation. I think 353 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: it's a tricky evaluation because of playing style. UH can 354 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: dispute anything that Lamar Jackson has been able to do 355 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: the first three or four years in the National Football League. UH. 356 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: He's a guy who has consistently got the Baltimore Ravens 357 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: into the playoffs. He said in the window visions. I 358 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: know he's played at the m v P level. He's 359 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: one of the most dynamic and electric stars that we 360 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: have at the position. UM. I think the key will 361 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: be and this doesn't necessarily fall on him. The pressure 362 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: to me is on Greg Roman because once we sign 363 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: him and like re sign him, I need to understand 364 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: what is the plan for him to develop where we 365 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: can max him out with not necessarily exposing him to 366 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: the hits that maybe he's been exposed to very very early. 367 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: So as he slows down, how can we still take 368 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: advantage of the unique skill set that he presents. I 369 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: think what I'm hearing from Baltimore UH in the off 370 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: season bows well for Lamar Jackson to be a long 371 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: time starter in Baltimore. More under center play, more understanding 372 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: play means that you now can have more old school 373 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: play action stuff where he takes an understanding, turns back 374 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: to the defense, puts the ball in the billy, the 375 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: running back pulls it out, and he is always the 376 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: threat to come out the back door on bootlegs. We 377 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: have seen that system like look at Baker Mayfield, Jerry 378 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: golf Um. I mean, to another extent, even Aaron Rodgers, 379 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: who has not the same athleticism and Lamar Jackson, but comparable. 380 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: We've seen that that play action bootleg thing really make 381 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: it easy for the quarterback. We're doing that, and then 382 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: would have more confidence that Lamar can be the long time, 383 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: the long term starter um as he ages out or 384 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: ages gracefully in that system. So I like your premise 385 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: in terms of a pay him, like even if you 386 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: have to fully guarantee it, like if you can fully 387 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: guarantee a hundred twenty million dollars on a three year 388 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: note where he's at forty million dollars a year. But 389 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: the onus is not on him. It's on Greg Roman 390 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: in that offensive staff to less continue to evolve this offense. 391 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: So it's not so much him always in the shotgun 392 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: doing his own read is him doing some more traditional 393 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: tactics that also utilizes athleticism to allow to play and 394 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: take some of the off of him to make some 395 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: of those decisions with the ball in his hands. Where 396 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: you stand on on Josh Allen with his extension, look, 397 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: I think Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are earning similar boats. 398 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: Like whatever Lamar Jackson guts, I think Josh Allen is 399 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: gonna be in that same vein, and whoever goes to 400 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: the table first, the next guy is gonna come and 401 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: get one dollar more UH per year on average than him. 402 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: I think the thing with Josh Allen. Josh Allen hasn't 403 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: been as consistent as Lamar Jackson UM over his three 404 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: year run as the starting quarterback, but it has to have 405 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: have been comparable to the highs that Lamar Jackson has experienced. 406 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: What I would want to see from Josh as can 407 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: I get the consistent play because if you look, it 408 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: was a huge jump from year two to year three. Um, 409 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: how much of that was him? How much of that 410 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: was Brian day Ball really being in his bag as 411 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. He is going to get his money, 412 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: But I also want to continue to challenge the offensive staff. 413 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: Can we put Josh Allen in a position where he 414 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: can consistently play at the level that we saw him 415 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: play at last year? Yeah? And it's interesting, I mean, 416 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: do you want another year to look at and a man, 417 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: if he plays like he did this last year, that 418 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: number is gonna go. So that's the thing for both 419 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: of those guys, right for both of them is as 420 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: the team, you want to get this done right. You 421 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: don't want to wait because you know that it's only 422 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: going to go up. I don't think that we can 423 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: project any of those guys to kind of take a 424 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: step back. The tricky evaluation is those guys are gonna 425 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: get their money. What did the Cleveland Browns do with 426 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. That's the one because Baker Mayfield hasn't performed 427 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: on an individual basis to be in the same conversation 428 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: as Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. But here the Browns 429 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: are looking like a super Bowl team. So the trick 430 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: will be if you're Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski, separating 431 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's contribut uses to the team's success from what 432 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: he is as a player. And it's the classic debate. 433 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 1: Those two other guys, Alan and Jackson their trucks. I 434 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: think we can confidently stand on the table say, hey man, 435 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: these guys are trucks. They're pulling the team individually. Whatever 436 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: their style is, the team wins because of the way 437 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: that they play in Cleveland. We can't have the same 438 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: conversation because we're saying, hey man, they have everything. Look 439 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: at the talent that they have around Baker Mayfield. He's 440 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: just a cog in the wheel. He's not the entire wheel. 441 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: How do we compensate him for what he does as 442 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: a winner when he's not the driving force of what 443 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: we do offensively? Yeah, it's uh, it's interesting with Baker. 444 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: I think the thing that works in his favor, if 445 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: you were his agent, and the thing that you're gonna 446 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: that I would that I would wear into the negotiating room. 447 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: I would wear that Brown's jersey that had the names 448 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: of the twentysomething quarterbacks that they cycle through. And and 449 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: to me, I think that is interesting. Like if you're 450 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: Heavn Stefanski, you haven't been there through all those years, 451 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: and maybe you could say, hey, I really like Baker, 452 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: but there's no need for us to overpay. We can 453 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: if it doesn't work with him, I can find somebody 454 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: else and then we can off we go. But if 455 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: you're the haslums, and they weren't there through the entirety 456 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: of that jersey of all those quarterbacks, but around enough, 457 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: and he was in Pittsburgh previously as part of their 458 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: ownership group, so he saw just one after another the 459 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: failure at the quarterback position, and I could just sit 460 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: there and see him say, look, he might not be 461 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: he might not be Tom Cruise. He maybe he's more 462 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: of a a B level actor. But I've seen so 463 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: many bad movies that I'm gonna I'm willing to pay 464 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: my B level actor A level actor money just because 465 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: I know what he is. It's the devil you know 466 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: versus the devil you don't know. And I know we 467 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: can win with this guy. Yeah, I mean, I think 468 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: there's something to that. But then I wonder, okay, because 469 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: when you when you do it, particularly at quarterback prices, 470 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: you're talking about a hefty investment. So if you you 471 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: overpaid for Baker Mayfield, any underperformance based on what you think, 472 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: it upsets your apple cart in the locker room, and 473 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: so how do you handle that thing? I believe Baker 474 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: Mayfield situation is very, very similar to what we saw 475 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: from the San Francisco forty nine is and Jimmy Garoppolo 476 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: like you like him, but maybe you don't love him. 477 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 1: And so if you're the Cleveland Browns, you have to 478 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 1: figure out how much what's the dollar amount for like 479 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: versus what's the dollar amount for love? And depending on 480 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: how savvy they are as they look ahead to quarterback 481 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: classes that are coming. Is there a player that we 482 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: think that we potentially can get where we might be 483 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: picking or are we shrewd enough to maneuver to get 484 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: a young quarterback to be able to this guy can 485 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: give us what we want without having to pay um 486 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: inflated prices for Baker Baker mayfor I mean, I just 487 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: look at that roster though, and I just go, I 488 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: don't see how they're not a double digit when team 489 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: for the next several years, which is going to take 490 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: them out of a premier quarterback right, but it will, 491 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: it will take them out. But then we've also seen 492 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: teams straight up and do whatever they have to do 493 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: to get in a position to do that. Now, I 494 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: don't I don't know how Andrew Bury and those guys 495 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: um when they study the draft and using analytics and 496 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: those things to determine value of their picks. But I 497 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: do wonder, um, how they look at Baker Mayfield and 498 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: how they look at this team with him going forward, 499 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: if he's getting what we call that elite money that 500 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: he could get because if they win this year, man, 501 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: his owner now has all the leverage to come back 502 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: and really push for a big time deal. Um. I wonder, 503 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: d G. I wonder because this is a perfect test 504 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: case because they still have the fifth year option that 505 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: they can make them play on. They also still have 506 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: a couple of franchise tags if they want to, they 507 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: could push this out similar to Dak Prescott. Yeah, it 508 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: might be a balloon payment, but they can push it 509 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: out and really make him see and really determine if 510 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: he really is the guy that they think he could 511 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: be at the position. Yeah, it's gonna be That's gonna 512 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: be a a fascinating one to watch. Of those three contracts, 513 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: I think you nailed. I think that's the most interesting one. Um. 514 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: Some position battles in the a f C here we 515 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: can hit on quickly. Uh, quarterback battles New England Patriots. 516 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: Who do you think emerges there with Cam and Mac? 517 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: I think Cam opens the season as the starter, and 518 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: then I think it's on him to determine whether he 519 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: keeps the job. I just believe Belichick feels a little 520 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: indebted to give him a fair shake at it with 521 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: the team that is better than the squad that he 522 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: had last year. But I would say this, if Cam 523 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: falters at all, I think Mac Jones is going to 524 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: be there to kind of take the job. What you 525 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: hear from mac Jones is how he's absorbed and picked 526 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: up the play, but which we would expect. I think 527 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: the bigger thing that I want to see is how 528 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: does mac Jones look in preseason games. How does it 529 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: all look when he doesn't have all the luxuries and 530 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: come of the things that he had around him at Alabama. 531 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: But I think this is gonna be a close one. 532 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: I think, Uh, if Cam leaves the door crack, mac 533 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: Jones kind of bust through the door in the middle 534 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: of the season, I'd be curious to see how they 535 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: can finesse it with Cam. If mac Jones does emerge 536 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: as the starter, you know, in an early portion of 537 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: the season, can they keep Cam on board enough where 538 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: they could use him in short yardage and down in 539 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: the in the red zone? Because to me, he's still 540 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: a tremendous value. He's the best inside the five quarterback 541 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: I think in NFL history because of what he can do. 542 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: You can't get him on the ground. I mean, as 543 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: bad as we make out of season last year, he 544 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: scored twelve touchdowns on the ground, I mean he certainly 545 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: added a dimension to their offense as a runner. And 546 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: to be honest, um, we really don't know what cam 547 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: is because there's pre COVID cam and then there's post 548 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: COVID cam. Pre covid he looked like he was rolling 549 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: post covid. Uh. He didn't look very very good, particularly 550 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: as it passes. So we'll see. But I think the 551 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: New England pages have really finessed it where they have 552 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: ten million dollars committed to quarterbacks DJ it is the 553 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: best deal going like from a cost efficiency standpoint, I 554 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: don't know if you can find a better quarterback room 555 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: than they have in terms of the amount of money 556 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: that they've committed to the quarterback. We'll see if those 557 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: quarterbacks can play though. Yeah, that's an interesting one, all right, 558 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: Denver Drew Lock, Teddy Bridgewater. I think management would love 559 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: to see Drew Lock win it. I think Nick Fangio 560 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: would like to see Teddy Bridgewater one because Teddy Bridge, 561 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: what is gonna take it over? And remember there's a 562 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: defensive guy, and the first thing that defensive coaches think 563 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: about is let's not mess this up, but turnovers being 564 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: the number one determining factor and whether you win or lose. 565 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: They want someone who's wanting to take care of the ball. 566 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: And so if Teddy Bridgewater doesn't have epic moments in 567 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: the preseason where he's turning it over like crazy, I 568 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: think he emerges as a starter. So this is where 569 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: I disagree with you, because I think it might be 570 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: universal that they'll be rooting for Teddy because George Peyton, 571 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: George Peyton and draft Drew Lock. He signed Teddy Bridgewater, 572 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: so it's almost a feather in his cap. Uh. If 573 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: if Teddy emerges as that guy. We always talk about 574 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: the formula, right, every team's gotta find their winning formula 575 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: and how it works. And when you look at this 576 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: Denver Broncos defense and how good they could potentially be, 577 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: the formula for them is gonna be don't turn the 578 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 1: football over. And that to me points more towards Teddy 579 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: than it does towards Drew. It limits the upside um, 580 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: limits the excitement. But I'm I'm guessing that when we 581 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: finish the season that Teddy will have started more games 582 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: and Drew locking the upcoming season. That's my guess. I mean, 583 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm with that. Semantics were saying similar things you brought up, 584 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: George Bade in this connection with Teddy bridge Wood in Minnesota, 585 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: it does make sense. Um, naturally, you would like to 586 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: think about having a younger quarterback in place that you 587 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: can build around. Teddy is young enough that you still 588 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: can go around him if you deem him to be 589 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: the guy, or he's a nice bridge to whatever. You 590 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: can't find that quarterback that cant your team go to 591 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: the next level, last one here or uh Houston. Let's 592 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: say if DeShawn Watson, for whatever reasons, is not is 593 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: not there right and it doesn't show up or suspended 594 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: or whatever happens in his situation right now. Between Tyrod 595 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: and Davis Mills, I mean, it's gotta be Tyrode, isn't it. 596 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: I mean I can't. I can't imagine that they're gonna 597 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: roll Davis Mills out there right away. I can't imagine 598 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: DA would rolled Davis Mills out because remember, Davis Mills 599 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: only has eleven career starts at the collegiate level. Uh, 600 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: despite his skill and talent, he hasn't really played a 601 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: lot of football. Uh. Tyrod Taylor should be the guy. 602 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: He should win the job, unless he gets snake bit 603 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: with another weird thing that allows a young quarterback that 604 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: they're passing. I think Tyrod Taylor has to be the guy. Yep, 605 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: there you go. I'm with you on that one, all right. 606 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: Anything else you want to throw in here before we 607 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: get out of here, No, DJ, Like, we're just getting 608 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: close a couple weeks a good way, and we're in 609 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: training camp and we're doing all this stuff and we're 610 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: back at it, so it should be fun. I've got 611 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: some first look posts coming up here, a new one 612 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: on trailing Burke's receiver from Arkansas is a good player. Um, 613 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: so that'll be up. What else you're working on? Uh? 614 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: Right now, I'm just taking a conversation that we just 615 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: had on the Tampa Bay lightning. 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