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Speaker 1: sunbathing like four yards away, and you put the water
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Speaker 1: Somehow we ended up back in Mark's college experience again,
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Speaker 1: I am Dan hans As, I am joined by You've
Speaker 1: already heard two great heroes, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. What
Speaker 1: is up? Boys? I'm really into this Week fourteen Slate.
Speaker 1: I had to do an article on NFL dot com,
Speaker 1: the Debrief, looking at the ten biggest games the rest
Speaker 1: of the year. This slate, this week, the prime time games,
Speaker 1: it's the best prime time slate all year. But overall
Speaker 1: it's the best group of games. That the next three
Speaker 1: weeks they're gonna be a little bit of a letdown
Speaker 1: compared to what Week four teen gives us. I mean,
Speaker 1: way to sell the rest of the season. There. I
Speaker 1: don't should I just fun I'm just saying this is
Speaker 1: it get ready? Like get ready? Well, this makes sense.
Speaker 1: We've done this long enough where when you get to
Speaker 1: a week fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, there's gonna be some dogs
Speaker 1: because the with each passing week, naturally more and more
Speaker 1: teams are playing essentially looking ahead to one. That's just
Speaker 1: the way this works. But you're right, this has some
Speaker 1: really saucy games, Uh this week looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go through each one as we always do,
Speaker 1: draft style. But before we get to the draft, let's
Speaker 1: get through the primetime games, because we've got a killer
Speaker 1: prime time slate, uh, starting with the Pittsburgh Steelers and
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, and Mark, I don't want to say
Speaker 1: the Bills eclipse the Steelers after what we saw in
Speaker 1: week third team because that would be recency bias and
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be fair. However, if there was ever a
Speaker 1: time not to catch the Bills, I feel like this
Speaker 1: is it for the Steelers because the Steelers are in
Speaker 1: a little bit of a funk, obviously come off their
Speaker 1: first loss, but have not played well the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, and the Bills just like looked like a
Speaker 1: world beating team um against the Niners with Josh Allen
Speaker 1: just playing absolutely out of his mind. I think it's
Speaker 1: well said, and it's okay to have a little recency
Speaker 1: bias because you want to see teams peaking now, and
Speaker 1: that's that's the Buffalo Bills. To me. I just think
Speaker 1: that Sean McDermott um, he's just got this smooth leadership style.
Speaker 1: I look at Brian Dable and what he and Josh
Speaker 1: Allen did their mind melding right now. It's a mental machine.
Speaker 1: And I think that Brian Dable heard all the flowery
Speaker 1: words for me and others about Kyle Shanahan before that
Speaker 1: Niners game, and he decided to conduct an orchestra of
Speaker 1: his own against the Niners. And I'm just watching Josh
Speaker 1: Allen in that game and in general, sort of just
Speaker 1: this complete calm, almost as if he's, you know, meditating
Speaker 1: in the middle of the forest. I think this is
Speaker 1: a team right now that is in sync and uh
Speaker 1: I Pittsburgh is not right now. This is a Buffalo
Speaker 1: team that I think is peaking and at the right time.
Speaker 1: So I would be very concerned for the steel Um.
Speaker 1: I have another lot coming, but I feel very good
Speaker 1: about Buffalo. I think that you and I feel the
Speaker 1: same way. I don't know how Greg feels. I think
Speaker 1: it's a tough one. I do like the idea of
Speaker 1: Mark a Us suggesting that Brian Dable was thinking of
Speaker 1: going into San Francisco with a bunch of vanilla like run,
Speaker 1: run pass, let's just get through this game. But then
Speaker 1: he heard sessler Um talking about him and cut talk
Speaker 1: about Shanahan. He was like, I guess I'm got to
Speaker 1: bring out the big guns. I just accredited to that,
Speaker 1: so you're probably not factual think I like this matchup
Speaker 1: for Pittsburgh, though, I really do. It kind of when
Speaker 1: you're thinking about the how you want to predict games,
Speaker 1: like what do you put more stock into the whole
Speaker 1: season or the last two weeks? The last two weeks
Speaker 1: the Bill has been the better team. That's been the
Speaker 1: best defense they've had all year. But I think when
Speaker 1: you look at what Pittsburgh does well in terms of
Speaker 1: their defensive line against this Bill's offensive line, which I
Speaker 1: think is their biggest problem, I think they match up well.
Speaker 1: And then you think about what Pittsburgh does an offense.
Speaker 1: They dink and dunked down the field and they're a
Speaker 1: team that Buffalo is defensively that'll let you do that.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna come after you. So I think the
Speaker 1: matchup after a loss does not set up that poorly
Speaker 1: for Pittsburgh. Yeah, and there's a reason like Tomlin has
Speaker 1: been at five hundred or better with Super Bowl appearances
Speaker 1: during his long run in Pittsburgh because he's a good
Speaker 1: coach and it's a great staff, and that I would think, sir,
Speaker 1: this is a bit of a wake up call what
Speaker 1: happened on Monday. And Greg, I think you and I
Speaker 1: are on the same page with the idea that it's
Speaker 1: pretend it's possible that the Steelers that loss will help them,
Speaker 1: and there you will see some of this tightness, uh
Speaker 1: disappear that we saw all the drops, unbelievable, how many drops,
Speaker 1: But then you think about maybe the reason we're seeing
Speaker 1: so many more drops from this particular team is because
Speaker 1: all they do is pass the ball because they can't
Speaker 1: run it. It's been a real mess. James Connor has
Speaker 1: missed the last two games on the COVID nineteen list,
Speaker 1: and they have not had a one yard game since
Speaker 1: weeks six. They had three in the first five games,
Speaker 1: so things there was great balance to begin the season,
Speaker 1: but Benny Snell has not picked up the pace he's
Speaker 1: he He is averaging about three yards a carry and
Speaker 1: it's putting Pittsburgh in a situation where Ben has to
Speaker 1: throw it over and over and over again, and he's
Speaker 1: throwing short more than ever. Yeah, it's not what you
Speaker 1: think of Steelers football. So I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1: The lack of balance last week against Washington, Um, well,
Speaker 1: I would put it in the category of disturbing. But
Speaker 1: how about a little appreciation for Cold Beasley who right
Speaker 1: now has more yards than a J. Brown, He has
Speaker 1: more receptions than DK Metcalf and more hundred yard games.
Speaker 1: And Tyreek Hill. I thought he was fascinating against the
Speaker 1: Niners and this wide receiving group, Um, I think they
Speaker 1: can do damage this may be the a f c's
Speaker 1: best group of wide receivers. M It's it's weird that
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and Buffalo are playing and Buffalo is clearly the
Speaker 1: past first team. Like, if you trust that defense matters,
Speaker 1: it's Pittsburgh. If you trust that the passing game, which
Speaker 1: is what I usually trust, matters more, it's obviously Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: Beasley is great, but to see the buy in with
Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs blocking on the goal line and making ridiculous catches,
Speaker 1: it all like lines up because Diggs is number one.
Speaker 1: I just think this matchup is as as good as
Speaker 1: the Bills have faced. If you look at the defenses
Speaker 1: they've faced this year, it's a it's a pretty tough slate,
Speaker 1: and it's so big for home field advantage for Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: and it's big for the a f C East for Buffalo.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a which way are these two
Speaker 1: teams gonna go down the stretch? Uh? Two notes on
Speaker 1: the Steelers defense. They have three of the top five
Speaker 1: pass rushers in terms of QB pressures this season, but
Speaker 1: they just lost one of them. If I do pretty
Speaker 1: in Week twelve, went out with the a C L
Speaker 1: Obviously that's that's an issue. Uh. And t J Watt
Speaker 1: Uh he is he should be the front runner for
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year at this point. He leads
Speaker 1: the league in sacks, QB hits, tackles for loss. Uh.
Speaker 1: He is just doing it all. And I never thought
Speaker 1: this would happen. Uh. And maybe it's not there, maybe
Speaker 1: we're not there yet. But T J. Watt and J
Speaker 1: J Watt, J J Watted his peak was a dominant player,
Speaker 1: one of the most dominant players in defense we've seen
Speaker 1: in the last twenty years. T J. Watt is starting
Speaker 1: to knock on the door of entering that stratosphere. Some good, uh,
Speaker 1: pretty good bloodline there in the Watt family. Nice jeans, brother,
Speaker 1: two brothers winning Defensive Player of the Year. Like it's
Speaker 1: it's outrageous, poor Derek what he's like. He should be
Speaker 1: feeling great about himself. He's having a nice NFL career.
Speaker 1: What are the odds? And his brothers they're just it's
Speaker 1: like making him look like chopped lever. On On the
Speaker 1: positive end, he doesn't need to pay for an airbnb.
Speaker 1: He just goes to JJ's log cabin toss his corn hole.
Speaker 1: Have has a couple of Bruis. Take some girlfriends there
Speaker 1: and life's not so bad for him either. Solid benefit
Speaker 1: right there. We're just oh, let's pick this game real quick.
Speaker 1: I've taken the Steelers. I think they bounced back. You
Speaker 1: know what, I'm going Buffalo one. A lot of people
Speaker 1: will be agitated with the Steelers, and the Steelers fans
Speaker 1: are very agitated group right now. They'll get back on track.
Speaker 1: But I believe in Buffalo. All right, I think this
Speaker 1: is gonna be one of the games of the year.
Speaker 1: Let's say Steelers by a field goal thirty one. All right,
Speaker 1: let's not transition to the other big prime time matchup
Speaker 1: this week, and it's a gorgeous one. The Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 1: traveling to Cleveland to face the Browns. Ravens seven five,
Speaker 1: Browns nine in three and knocking on the door their
Speaker 1: first double digit win season in a dozen years. And
Speaker 1: I'll start this way, Mark, Do you think, well, it's
Speaker 1: remember what happened Week one? It was a blowout. The
Speaker 1: Ravens destroyed the Browns thirty eight six, and you thought
Speaker 1: it was more of the same from both teams and
Speaker 1: hasn't played out that way. Do you think we're seeing
Speaker 1: two very different teams now thirteen weeks later. I do.
Speaker 1: I do, specially on the Cleveland side that I think
Speaker 1: that you know, you're able to look at the Browns
Speaker 1: and say, what is their identity? It's easy to do
Speaker 1: to see, I mean you could. That's not true of
Speaker 1: almost every other Browns team this century, and I don't
Speaker 1: think that was super clear in Week one. Um to me,
Speaker 1: I think the Cleveland Browns experience this year is a
Speaker 1: cleansing of some sorts. I mean, they've been through so
Speaker 1: much and the Ravens were a team pulled from their
Speaker 1: belly and left Cleveland sort of dead, like the alien
Speaker 1: coming out of Sigourney Weaver and other people in that show.
Speaker 1: It wasn't Sigourney, but you know, it's like that's how
Speaker 1: it feels to me. With the with the move, well,
Speaker 1: you know, look like here's the thing. The Titans game
Speaker 1: I think changed perceptions. But you have to deal with
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. If you're Cleveland, this is a huge
Speaker 1: game for who they are. If you go and get stamped,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people will look at Cleveland
Speaker 1: again and say close not close enough. And it starts
Speaker 1: with stopping the run. I'll look at with someone like
Speaker 1: Sheldon Richardson last week what he did to Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: on those first two drives, stopping him on fourth and one,
Speaker 1: causing a fumble on the next drive that through Tennessee
Speaker 1: completely out of orbit. If you can get plays like
Speaker 1: that against this running game and be as physical as Baltimore,
Speaker 1: something the Browns have not been in the two thousand's
Speaker 1: at all. Uh, that would be the formula to shaking
Speaker 1: them up, roughing them up, and being their equal. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited. This is my game of the year. The
Speaker 1: rest of the way, I'm usually not into like, you know,
Speaker 1: just hashtag and narratives. But if the Browns lose this game,
Speaker 1: they're kind of still the little brothers. They They've never
Speaker 1: like this is Ravens. Brown should be a great rivalry,
Speaker 1: partly because of bad reasons, because of what Mark said
Speaker 1: that they ripped, you know, they broke poor Mark Sessler's
Speaker 1: heart and a lot of other Browns fans by leaving town.
Speaker 1: And they've never had a meaningful December game between these
Speaker 1: two teams where they're both good. The closest thing I
Speaker 1: have is they were both seven and seven and two
Speaker 1: thousand and two, and the Browns ended up making the
Speaker 1: playoffs that year. That's the closest we get. But these
Speaker 1: teams are better, and my head says, actually, the Browns
Speaker 1: have more going on with them right now. It's a
Speaker 1: f C North. It's too great running teams. It's two teams.
Speaker 1: I think you can attack the other one's defense on
Speaker 1: the ground. So it's just as like perfect as it
Speaker 1: could possibly be. And you're not gonna slay dragons in
Speaker 1: week fourteen? But Mark, wouldn't it be good to just
Speaker 1: knock the Ravens out of playoff position right now? I
Speaker 1: made it be a bit of payback. Would be a
Speaker 1: magnificent thing, right Mark, Yeah, I think they will slay dragons.
Speaker 1: And you know what I I have um uh in
Speaker 1: our lock world, I've gone with with my head all
Speaker 1: season long, and one came behind Greg. But I do
Speaker 1: think that the Cleveland Browns um are the equal of
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. And so I am, without too much hesitation,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for it. I'm locking up the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. What could go wrong? What could go wrong?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about, Mark Sessler. I love it. Uh.
Speaker 1: The Browns obviously looked awesome in the first half against
Speaker 1: the Titans. A big part of that obviously was Baker
Speaker 1: just playing out of his mind and a clean pocket
Speaker 1: and spotting receivers and throwing it right on the money.
Speaker 1: The Browns have allowed only six sacks since week seven, UM,
Speaker 1: and they've only allowed thirteen QB hits since Week seven,
Speaker 1: So they're protecting Mayfield and when you do, I think
Speaker 1: that sets them up very well. On the other side,
Speaker 1: the Ravens only have six sacks in the least six games,
Speaker 1: so this could be set up well for Baker to
Speaker 1: stay hot. I want to see that. I want to
Speaker 1: make sure that this isn't a one off monster performance
Speaker 1: in the first two quarters against the Titans. UM. And
Speaker 1: there's the other side of it here, boys, and listen
Speaker 1: on Tuesday's podcast. I did say that the Ravens were
Speaker 1: gonna win out. I said it. I said it before
Speaker 1: they played the Cowboys, and we saw what happened that night.
Speaker 1: They absolutely looked like a dominant three rushing yards. They
Speaker 1: got their swagger back, and I think for that reason,
Speaker 1: the Browns are in a tough spot. I have to
Speaker 1: stick with my premonition when I looked in the future
Speaker 1: and listen, Mark, you can't take it personal because this
Speaker 1: is bigger than both of us. It's bigger than anything.
Speaker 1: In week fourteen, we got a certified lock off because
Speaker 1: I got the Ravens continuing their playoff push and beating
Speaker 1: your Brownies, spanking the hin knees of the Brownies. And
Speaker 1: you'll be okay because you'll be nine and four after
Speaker 1: this game. But this is Baltimore's time to rise, and
Speaker 1: I'm sticking with that. I won't take it personally. You know,
Speaker 1: we're we're normally in our show. By week thirteen, fourteen fifteen,
Speaker 1: we're waving goodbye to Cleveland, wondering who they're gonna hire
Speaker 1: as a coach. Um. I I understand they're gonna They're
Speaker 1: gonna trip up at some point here. I like this
Speaker 1: lock off, Dan, an honorable one. Wow. I The only
Speaker 1: thing I disagree with what you said there, Dan, is
Speaker 1: that Mark will be okay if the Ravens win this game.
Speaker 1: You know I won't be okay. Is that gonna be okay?
Speaker 1: I'd be a little worried. I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: whether whether I'm impressed or worried about the Ravens that
Speaker 1: they against the Cowboys, that their defensive line doesn't look great.
Speaker 1: There's there's certain issues, but Lamar just kind of took over.
Speaker 1: The thing that would scare me the most is like
Speaker 1: all the honk and Lamar is doing. He's seeing J. K.
Speaker 1: Dobbins running up the field and there's and you can
Speaker 1: hear him because he has the mic on and he's
Speaker 1: just going crazy. And to me, that's what it's about.
Speaker 1: It's those first round picks from kill Lamar just take
Speaker 1: over the game and just run like crazy and break
Speaker 1: Cleveland's heart by his like force of will, because otherwise
Speaker 1: I think Cleveland might have the better team right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think Lamar scoring that long
Speaker 1: touchdown run. Getting back on the same page with Hollywood
Speaker 1: Brown a little bit, Mark Andrews, I believe is gonna
Speaker 1: come off COVID here the COVID list and that's a
Speaker 1: that's a huge edition. It just seems like things are
Speaker 1: kind of come together here for the Ravens um So
Speaker 1: that's why I feel good about this. And and Greg
Speaker 1: a little bit of pressure knew because what an excellent
Speaker 1: job by both Mark and myself and locking up a
Speaker 1: team a very close, narrow game. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't even think about you know some you know,
Speaker 1: Saintslaca or anything. We need you to bring it this week. No,
Speaker 1: you're not going to pressure me to move off. Alright.
Speaker 1: With the primetime games out of the way, let's now
Speaker 1: dig into our draft and Greg Rosenhal, congratulations, you have
Speaker 1: the first overall pick. What do you got? It was
Speaker 1: a tough one this week, so many good options, but
Speaker 1: I am going Chiefs Dolphins early. That Tony Romo. Romo
Speaker 1: is the ultimate tiebreaker. Dan, I know you were trying
Speaker 1: to guess where I was going. Is that what you got?
Speaker 1: I thought you were going with a different game and
Speaker 1: coming back that's right. No, I can't come back because
Speaker 1: the TV show will be over and I gotta make
Speaker 1: sure I watched this Brian Flores team. I like what
Speaker 1: I saw out of to a tongue of Iloa last
Speaker 1: week against the Bengals. I know it was a quiet
Speaker 1: game overall, but if you saw what he did in
Speaker 1: the second half with the up tempo offense, I think
Speaker 1: that was the best half of football he played the
Speaker 1: entire year. You saw a little more of what they
Speaker 1: did at Alabama. You saw some empty sets, you saw
Speaker 1: the hurry up, and it's tough. He's being asked to
Speaker 1: do a lot. It's not a great offensive line. They're
Speaker 1: banged up. They've got three rookies starting for them right now.
Speaker 1: They're counting on Lynn Bowden to come off their bench
Speaker 1: and make play. Gaskins back in the lineup and he
Speaker 1: really helps them out. Jachem Grants a big part of
Speaker 1: this team. It's not the most talented offense in the world,
Speaker 1: and so I like that they're slowly building them up.
Speaker 1: And I think Brian Flores and to a tongue of
Speaker 1: LA can make this entertaining. I want to hear what
Speaker 1: Tony Romo saying. So that's why I'm watching it. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely annoyed. This was the game that I wanted. Um,
Speaker 1: nice work, Greg. I think this matchup is as intriguing
Speaker 1: is anything out there this week. The Dolphins, to me,
Speaker 1: they are adventurers. Uh, They're up for anything. I just
Speaker 1: think this is a very unified club. And you know, well,
Speaker 1: I just like, what do you mean either up for anything.
Speaker 1: There's this energy to them where I have no idea
Speaker 1: what they're ceiling is and who they can beat and
Speaker 1: no one has put much heat on Patrick Mahomes. Can
Speaker 1: this defense that's averaging allowing only fourteen and a half
Speaker 1: points a week do it? Um? My concern is if
Speaker 1: they get into some sort of a track meet, I
Speaker 1: don't know if this Dolphins offense can catch up. They've
Speaker 1: scored over thirty points uh once in the past seven games.
Speaker 1: The offense is my concern, But they find so many
Speaker 1: different ways to affect the enemy UH that I just
Speaker 1: trust them to play a complete game, I really do.
Speaker 1: And they do a nice job of forcing quarterbacks into
Speaker 1: their second reads. Can they do it here against Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 1: Very few can. But I think the Dolphins are a
Speaker 1: different type of team and I trust them with Brian
Speaker 1: Flores to coach this thing up. So one of your
Speaker 1: reasons why you believe the Dolphins can hang in this
Speaker 1: game is that if you force Patrick Mahomes into a
Speaker 1: second read, that there's gonna be trouble. Patrick Mahomes eats
Speaker 1: that up. He doesn't care about going through progressions. He's
Speaker 1: patch my Homes and he's playing at an insane level.
Speaker 1: This is I mean, this is an unlockable game. I
Speaker 1: don't think and I've already locked anyway. But like, here's
Speaker 1: the thing, I never have been all the way in
Speaker 1: on the Dolphins. I think it's clear if you've been
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast. I watched their game against Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: and again it's the Bengals, and I saw a Tina
Speaker 1: did not look very good at all in the first half,
Speaker 1: turned it on in the second half. Give him credit
Speaker 1: for that closing out that game, but nineteen seven over
Speaker 1: Cincinnati doesn't like fill me with hope that they're now
Speaker 1: gonna charge into a game with a chance and and
Speaker 1: light them up. And I think when you look at
Speaker 1: the playoff picture of the a f C, it just
Speaker 1: seems to me that Miami is gonna be on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of this. Their final four opponents are combined
Speaker 1: thirty three and fifteen this season. That's almost a seven
Speaker 1: winning percentage. So, uh, you obviously you've got to steal
Speaker 1: one of these games or you're a big you're a
Speaker 1: big underdog. I just think it's too tall of the
Speaker 1: task to ask to happen at the hands of the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: And I am not saying that because Patrick Mahomes has
Speaker 1: to go to his second read that the Dolphins are
Speaker 1: going to win this because of that alone. That's not
Speaker 1: my top bullet point. But I am just saying I
Speaker 1: think they're a very click your second. I love I
Speaker 1: love the challenge of it. I I don't think that
Speaker 1: they're the better team, but I think that they can
Speaker 1: do weird things to offenses. We've seen it, we've seen it,
Speaker 1: and I think that they can do something to Kansas
Speaker 1: City that other teams have not. And we'll find out
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. No one will will remember a single
Speaker 1: thing I've said here. This is a good enough for you,
Speaker 1: because if the Chiefs do do their Chiefs thing, you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right. But if the Dolphins do step up, Mark,
Speaker 1: you look like a defense, you look like a genius.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins have the third highest blitz rate in the league.
Speaker 1: That's another part of this. So the Dolphins love to blitz.
Speaker 1: That's a big part of their scheme and how they've
Speaker 1: flung a certain quarterbacks this year. But no one devours
Speaker 1: the blitz like Patrick Mahomes, who has twelve touchdowns and
Speaker 1: no picks and a one forty pass rating against blitzing
Speaker 1: this year. It's just like it's very hard, and I
Speaker 1: commend you, Mark to get behind the team that's playing
Speaker 1: the Chiefs in general. He look, what is the Chiefs
Speaker 1: thing though? It's not winning games by a lot. They
Speaker 1: They've four straight weeks, they've been in close games. It's
Speaker 1: not running the ball. They They're one of the worst
Speaker 1: in short yardage in the league. I'm waiting for them,
Speaker 1: uh to steamroll an opponent. I think there's some reason
Speaker 1: for the Dolphins defense to have confidence because of what
Speaker 1: Brian Flores has done against Patrick Mahomes in the past.
Speaker 1: The Patriots defense did a good dot job relatively putting
Speaker 1: the clamps on him during his MVP season. Patriots defense
Speaker 1: this year, which has a lot of similarities but not
Speaker 1: as good as Miami, did a pretty good job against
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. They can keep it close. This dolfense team.
Speaker 1: Don't give up on them, Dan hands this, come on,
Speaker 1: I like giving up on them. They could, they could
Speaker 1: lose out and it's still a season where you feel
Speaker 1: good when the game by two scores. Chiefs win a
Speaker 1: game by two scores? How about that? Do that once?
Speaker 1: All right? I think they will? How about that? All right?
Speaker 1: Let's move on now the old Zeuser picks and I've
Speaker 1: just been happy with my drafts all season long. I
Speaker 1: just have to be honest with you. You do great job.
Speaker 1: When it comes up, I end up picking a game
Speaker 1: that's great and uh I thought, Greg, you were going
Speaker 1: inde Vegas with the second overall pick, and uh so
Speaker 1: I will welcome. I will run to the podium and
Speaker 1: draft that game. It's a playoff game. How about that?
Speaker 1: I like this. The Raiders need to win this game
Speaker 1: to to stay alive in the a f C playoff race.
Speaker 1: And the Colts maybe it's not that dire for them
Speaker 1: because they are in a division uh showdown right now
Speaker 1: with the Titans, but it's a huge game for them
Speaker 1: as well. Right now, this is the seventh and eighth
Speaker 1: seed in the a f C playoffs squaring off and
Speaker 1: two teams that did not that were very fortunate last week,
Speaker 1: and everyone is hung up and killing the Raiders for
Speaker 1: what happened against the Jets and getting this miracle play
Speaker 1: obviously that got Greg Williams fired. They needed a miracle
Speaker 1: to win the game in the final seconds, uh, to
Speaker 1: avoid an embarrassing loss. Oh but hey, guess what you
Speaker 1: know there's another team that fits that exact description. It's
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts, who had a six point lead with
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson if a two yard line going in for
Speaker 1: the game winning score and the damn center fires the
Speaker 1: ball at his shins for miracle fumble recovery for the Cults. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: the Cults are coming off a bad loss and people
Speaker 1: are talking about that. So I'm not going crazy about
Speaker 1: the Raiders. Obviously, my faith is shaken over the last
Speaker 1: two weeks. I was a big Raiders booster on this podcast.
Speaker 1: I understand now that I can all go south after
Speaker 1: what happened against the Jets, But to two pencil and
Speaker 1: the Colts is a team that will roll over the
Speaker 1: collapsing Raiders. I think that's a bit rich. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't question that these are these two
Speaker 1: teams are very even and players matter, and the Raiders
Speaker 1: are getting back three of their best players. Trent Brown,
Speaker 1: their right tackle has been out for most of the season,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Abram wasn't out there against the Jets, and then
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs. It's like teams can only take so many hits.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely huge. It kind of gets me to the
Speaker 1: point of how much does do defenses matter? You know,
Speaker 1: the whole thing like running, running, backs don't matter, well
Speaker 1: how much the defenses matter. And because to me, if
Speaker 1: defenses matter at all, like if you have to be
Speaker 1: above a certain point, then the Raiders are just a
Speaker 1: house of cards. It's gonna fall apart um. But if
Speaker 1: you can just survive with like a lousy defense, which
Speaker 1: they've been all year, especially when playing a team like
Speaker 1: the Colts, then then they'll be okay. The Colts are
Speaker 1: just a different team when DeForrest Buckner's on the field.
Speaker 1: You saw that last week, and they are a much
Speaker 1: more complete team than the Raiders. Well, I mean, for me,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's huge to get these guys back.
Speaker 1: For the Raiders, they were missing their identity on offense
Speaker 1: without Josh Jacobs some degree. But Derek Carr mentioned how
Speaker 1: they didn't practice well before the Falcons game. I wonder
Speaker 1: how they practiced before the Jets game. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Jets opened up with a twelve play, seventy four yard
Speaker 1: touchdown drive. Um they scored. You know, they ran for
Speaker 1: over two hundred yards on the day. Uh, that's an
Speaker 1: aberration for New York and and that is, you know,
Speaker 1: less than one for the Raiders, who have the least
Speaker 1: sacks in the NFL, so they can't rush the passers.
Speaker 1: So Greg, to your point, mean, there are most of
Speaker 1: these defenses in the NFL right now are are are
Speaker 1: solidly half baked. But the Raiders one is is a
Speaker 1: little extra on that front. And that's my that's my
Speaker 1: area of concern, um. But I'm not all out on them.
Speaker 1: I think that they are a team that uh, they've
Speaker 1: show an incredible fight at different times, getting healthy, getting
Speaker 1: these some of these guys back. The Raiders are fighting
Speaker 1: for their season. If they lose this one, thirty eight
Speaker 1: puts them at a two percent chance of making the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So this is your year right here. Yeah, they need
Speaker 1: they need to win, and I guess I just I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go down with the USS growd in here, uh
Speaker 1: if it comes to that, because I it's a week
Speaker 1: to week league and everyone thinks the Raiders are done now.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, they did come off of winning their seven
Speaker 1: and five and they're playing a Cults team that is not,
Speaker 1: you know, far superior to them at home. I know
Speaker 1: home doesn't matter that much this year. I'm picking the Raiders.
Speaker 1: I think the Raiders win this game. Greg, I imagine
Speaker 1: you picked the Colts in your pick them column. I
Speaker 1: I did take them. I'm wondering, Mark, like, are the
Speaker 1: Cults a team that's down for anything, like the up
Speaker 1: for anything like the Dolphins? Does that mean like what
Speaker 1: you call them on Friday night and they're ready to
Speaker 1: go out. It's more it's more like you're already in
Speaker 1: and they're like, you want to go hiking anything? Dan
Speaker 1: and I once went to a Super Bowl I believe
Speaker 1: it was a bud Light Super Bowl party where the
Speaker 1: tagline was up for anything, and we enjoyed ourselves. So
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. I enjoyed the Dolphins. The Colts, I don't
Speaker 1: get that vibe from then. They're like, you know, Midwestern.
Speaker 1: They're very like, let's do things by the book. Um
Speaker 1: tough team, but not up for anything. Now I remember
Speaker 1: vaguely they're being like a rapper. Oh shack was the
Speaker 1: bowl part. There was a unicorn um that they had
Speaker 1: fresh bowls of paint. We painted a statue of a unicorn.
Speaker 1: Other things happened all right. Time Now for Road of Victory,
Speaker 1: presented by the United States Marine Corps. Up next in
Speaker 1: the draft, Mark Sessler, I don't think this is a game.
Speaker 1: I would have picked a few weeks ago. But it's
Speaker 1: a game I'm picking right now Arizona at the New
Speaker 1: York Giants, the frisky New York Giants. They kind of
Speaker 1: like the old lunch paill du It's and I you know,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if children know what lunch pails
Speaker 1: are anymore. No one's caring those things around at this point.
Speaker 1: But they are. They are morphing into a tough team.
Speaker 1: And I love the idea of of Kyler Murray in
Speaker 1: a tough spot here, having to show who he is
Speaker 1: and who this offense is. I mean, if you take
Speaker 1: away that fifty nine yard touchdown strike to Dan Ordered
Speaker 1: last week, he opened that half two for eleven for
Speaker 1: fourteen yards. I know they got a little hotter down
Speaker 1: the stretch, but I'm a bit concerned about the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: You take away the Hail Mary against Buffalo and they
Speaker 1: would have lost five in a row. They are, they
Speaker 1: are in a position right here. We've talked about the
Speaker 1: Raiders as a team that absolutely needs to win. How
Speaker 1: about the Cardinals. You know, this was this was a
Speaker 1: quarterback talked about as an m VP candidate at the
Speaker 1: start of the year. This Giant's defense is not going
Speaker 1: to allow you to walk over them. They made life
Speaker 1: very difficult last week, very difficult, and I think that
Speaker 1: they have a chance to do the same thing to
Speaker 1: uh the Cardinals. Um, this is my NFC East team.
Speaker 1: I know that Greg is very high on Washington. Um.
Speaker 1: For me, it's the Giant. Well. I started thinking this week, Mark,
Speaker 1: you know, we haven't done team of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast this year or in a few years, and
Speaker 1: I started thinking, if we had to have one this year,
Speaker 1: I think it'd be a big Blue. If Chris wesleyan
Speaker 1: would allow it, I think it'd be the New York
Speaker 1: Football Giants. Chris wesley will never allow a New York
Speaker 1: team to be the team of a t N So
Speaker 1: you have doesn't matter. There's some there's some New York
Speaker 1: bias in there as well. He's he's fed up with
Speaker 1: the Northeast. That's part of that. That might be it,
Speaker 1: But I've I've enjoyed watching this team all year. Their defense,
Speaker 1: they play hard. I'm excited that Daniel Jones is expected
Speaker 1: to be back. We don't know that for sure um
Speaker 1: for this game, but that makes a big difference and
Speaker 1: it gives them a chance. Their defense has gotten better
Speaker 1: as the season has gone along, and I kind of
Speaker 1: think about them like I think about the Dolphins and
Speaker 1: the Patriots. The more time that they have together and
Speaker 1: the more time that they know what all of their
Speaker 1: teammates are doing, because it's a complex defense. The hear
Speaker 1: that they are and they're definitely bigger and better than
Speaker 1: the some of their parts. I think it's a really
Speaker 1: tough matchup for Kyler, and I know there's a range
Speaker 1: of outcomes in the NFC where maybe even a five
Speaker 1: team can get that seven seed, but even even still,
Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals need to win this game to
Speaker 1: get their season back on track and just get out
Speaker 1: of this free fall. Uh and Murray over their last
Speaker 1: three games, and they've all been losses, averaging sixty fewer
Speaker 1: past yards per game, almost fifty fewer rushing yards per
Speaker 1: game compared to the first nine games of the season,
Speaker 1: which it tells you two things. He hasn't been the
Speaker 1: same player, and he was playing at an outstanding level
Speaker 1: before that, and that has been kind of my criticism
Speaker 1: of Arizona for the last month and a half. I
Speaker 1: think what we've seen is that this team can win
Speaker 1: games and compete for a division and get everyone excited
Speaker 1: when Kyler Murray is in a godlike state as a
Speaker 1: football player, but when he can't be that guy, and
Speaker 1: you can't ask a second year player unless it's Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes to consistently be that guy, is just an average
Speaker 1: team that needs help on both sides of the ball,
Speaker 1: and there at least a year away. So I think
Speaker 1: that's how they've been exposed at this point of the season.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see them pulling up the nose here.
Speaker 1: I think we're going in for a crash. I mean,
Speaker 1: it makes sense the teams would gather knowledge on Kyler Murray,
Speaker 1: on guys like Lamar Jackson who are so dangerous on
Speaker 1: the ground, and put everything, every effort into not giving
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray those opportunities. And you know we've talked about
Speaker 1: them in the show before. The Kyler Murray is seeing
Speaker 1: it with defenses. They are forcing him to hand the
Speaker 1: ball off. They're not allowing him to just prance around
Speaker 1: yards of open field and do the damage he was doing.
Speaker 1: Can I jump in on that, Mark? You can? Can
Speaker 1: I jump in on that? I'm hearing that a lot lately.
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is not able to run anymore because defenses
Speaker 1: are now keyed in on that. Isn't that the whole
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury thing though? Wasn't that what they signed up for?
Speaker 1: That Cliff Kingsbury was supposed to be this gifted offensive
Speaker 1: mind and the Sean McVeigh mold. And meanwhile, all I'm
Speaker 1: reading abo this week is how Calumbury can't run anymore
Speaker 1: because defenses have adjusted to the game. Oh and by
Speaker 1: the way, DeAndre Hopkins, if you look at his route
Speaker 1: tree this year, it's kind of absurd that he's not
Speaker 1: being used the right way. One of the great wide
Speaker 1: receivers in the league. Click Kingsbury, do something. Help this team.
Speaker 1: They need you. They're going down his place and they
Speaker 1: need you to be the genius that you were sold
Speaker 1: as to everyone. You're not playing Rice University right now.
Speaker 1: So it's the NFL coordinators catch up to this stuff,
Speaker 1: you know. And so much of their offense was Murray scrambling.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even the called runs. There was a good
Speaker 1: stat by Stephen ruiz On for the win where basically
Speaker 1: they have the lowest amount of yards per attempt on
Speaker 1: r p o s in the entire league. That's a
Speaker 1: big time disappointment. And let me give a shout out
Speaker 1: to Leonard Williams, the former Jet who never reached his
Speaker 1: potential in New York traded to the Giants or a
Speaker 1: third round pick, a move that Dave Gedtleman was laughed
Speaker 1: at over. He has been awesome this year. He has
Speaker 1: been at all pro level talent when you look at
Speaker 1: his production, and it was never better than against the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Two sacks, five QB hits, the big I'm happy for him.
Speaker 1: I hope he gets paid. All right, Mark, it snakes
Speaker 1: to you, my friend. All Right, I'm gonna go somewhere
Speaker 1: that it's not gonna surprise you. I'm gonna go Washington
Speaker 1: at San Francisco. Uh, this game is intriguing. Now we've
Speaker 1: forked the Niners, and I do believe their season is
Speaker 1: done based on our actions there. Dan, But uh, you
Speaker 1: know what I love about this season and the whole um.
Speaker 1: You know, twelve thirteen weeks of NFC East jokes that
Speaker 1: grew tired that things change in the NFC East suddenly
Speaker 1: is frisky and it's the two teams. No one thought
Speaker 1: about the Giants in Washington and what Washington did against
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh that makes me a little concerned for Nick Mullins.
Speaker 1: You got Montes sweat tipping balls all over the place
Speaker 1: causing chaos. And I need to see a Niners team
Speaker 1: that gets out of the gate a little earlier than
Speaker 1: they did uh last week when they were ravished by
Speaker 1: the Bills. How about we got Deebo Samuel involved a
Speaker 1: little bit differently and earlier on here and the running game.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we need eighteen different people with
Speaker 1: Carrie's here. Let's get someone hot and let's move on
Speaker 1: this thing. UM Washington to me is an incredibly resilient
Speaker 1: and strange team. I enjoy watching them. Honestly. I think
Speaker 1: this is the first this is the first time that
Speaker 1: I can really remember good energy around uh Washington. And
Speaker 1: I would say they should keep their weird name and
Speaker 1: keep their helmets. Don't go on the search committee to
Speaker 1: read your identity. Keep this one. I enjoy it. You know,
Speaker 1: I was thinking the same exact thing a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago that just through repetition, now Washington football team,
Speaker 1: it just kind of is a thing that it works
Speaker 1: for me as well. And I also may I say
Speaker 1: that this is the second time this week mark that
Speaker 1: you're Golden boy Kyle Shanahan, You've just been levying criticism
Speaker 1: Adam for his usage of certain players, and I'm here
Speaker 1: for it. I mean, he knows more. He could tell
Speaker 1: you more in thirty seconds about football than I could
Speaker 1: tell you in six hours. So I'm not it's not
Speaker 1: really critique of him. Um. I do have Rahey mostered
Speaker 1: on my fantasy team. That could be part of my messaging.
Speaker 1: I almost feel like it's generous of you to say
Speaker 1: that it would take six hours for you to match
Speaker 1: him in that. You know. I I look at this
Speaker 1: game and I wonder if Washington can do it again. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's one thing. It was the game of the year
Speaker 1: for them. It was a magical moment. I I I
Speaker 1: truly believe I will remember that game forever. Washington Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: I think they will to beating the last unbeating and
Speaker 1: Alex Smith like that is that's a big deal. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not laughing. Think about how bad this. It's the
Speaker 1: most great thing you've ever said. I will remember that
Speaker 1: game forever. On on Monday afternoon at two o'clock for
Speaker 1: Alex Smith to do that, don't you think they will do?
Speaker 1: You don't remember anything what's up. But you don't remember anything,
Speaker 1: but you will remember this, and I believe it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember. I do remember football games, especially like where
Speaker 1: I was when I saw Cam Sims pulling that one
Speaker 1: hander and a team without Antonio Gibson getting it done.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they do it again. I think
Speaker 1: this matchup is tricky just the way that San Francisco
Speaker 1: runs their offense. Washington is not so much a team
Speaker 1: that's gonna come after you, um and get a lot
Speaker 1: of blitzes in big stops. They really rely on the
Speaker 1: red zone defense and tackling, and this is one of
Speaker 1: the toughest teams to tackle San Francisco auk mostre debot
Speaker 1: and defensively, you know, San Francisco is kind of a
Speaker 1: coverage team that will take away the big plays. They
Speaker 1: don't have a great pass rush right now. But just
Speaker 1: because Washington won that one game, I don't think they're
Speaker 1: necessarily gonna go steam roll on the other side of
Speaker 1: the country this week again. You know, I want, like
Speaker 1: a it's a fine line here, because you want to
Speaker 1: respect what Washington has has managed the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: But also I'm with you. I think the reason, for instance,
Speaker 1: the Niners went in the tank on Monday against or
Speaker 1: Tuesday or whatever day it was against Josh Allen. Was
Speaker 1: because once Josh Allen and Brian day Ball cracked the
Speaker 1: code of Robert Sala and that defense, it became a
Speaker 1: situation where it was Nick Mullins versus Josh Allen in
Speaker 1: a shootout, and we know what's gonna happen there. But
Speaker 1: in this situation, you know what's gonna happen with Washington's offense.
Speaker 1: They are going to dancin dunk you. This is a
Speaker 1: team that when it's uh third and nine, we'll throw
Speaker 1: it four yards. I mean, there's no way we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a shootout and you're gonna put Nick Moans in
Speaker 1: that situation again. So then I feel like just the
Speaker 1: game script is gonna be much better for San Francisco
Speaker 1: than it was. And even though Mark we did fork
Speaker 1: the Niners, which means they have no chance of making
Speaker 1: the postseason, we stand by it. I still think the
Speaker 1: Niners have a have a w here and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be at the expense of the w team. Yeah, forking
Speaker 1: them doesn't mean that they're not gonna, you know, cause
Speaker 1: some chaos down the stretch. They are, That's who they are.
Speaker 1: And I and I know that Kyle Shanahan nobly would
Speaker 1: not mention this. But I think having to relocate to Arizona,
Speaker 1: and you know, having to tell players you're not gonna
Speaker 1: spend Christmas with your families, I think that took a
Speaker 1: toll against the Bills. I really do. I mean, these
Speaker 1: are human beings in a really weird um. Maybe they're
Speaker 1: a little bit more in a calm place um centered
Speaker 1: in together this game. And I don't think they're gonna
Speaker 1: go to sleep though, Daniel, Right, all right, let's move
Speaker 1: on the old jus Er picks next. I picked one
Speaker 1: game that felt like a playoff game my first pick.
Speaker 1: I have another one here, the Vikings at the Bucks.
Speaker 1: So alright, so the Vikings on this podcast, we've we've
Speaker 1: been calling him the team of Zeus t L because
Speaker 1: I got behind them when they were one in five
Speaker 1: and now they're all the way back to five and
Speaker 1: right now where they sit is in the seventh and
Speaker 1: final playoff spot. That's all good. However, there are things
Speaker 1: about the Vikings the last couple of weeks that are
Speaker 1: that make me feel differently than I felt a month ago.
Speaker 1: And I don't. I don't necessarily think this is a
Speaker 1: team that is gonna steamroll to that playoff spot. I
Speaker 1: think the Bucks are an opponent that could give them
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble coming off the by uh, Bruce Arians,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Hopefully they get on the same page Byron
Speaker 1: Leftwich and they have a game plan that is more
Speaker 1: tailored to what Brady can do. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the other big subplot here, one of the bigger or
Speaker 1: more interesting soap opera subplots of the rest of this
Speaker 1: regular season boys, which is Bruce Arians and Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: Can they make this work? Uh? They're still so much
Speaker 1: to be settled. But if this team flames out, who
Speaker 1: knows what happens come January. I love the Bucks in
Speaker 1: terms of that it's all or nothing, like I either
Speaker 1: think they're gonna win four straight and steamroll everyone down
Speaker 1: the stretch, or it's gonna unpload they don't make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And you're right, maybe Arians is the fall guy because
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is guaranteed that money he's still throwing. He's
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. I like this matchup for them though, too,
Speaker 1: because you look at the Vikings. If they can't run
Speaker 1: with Dalvin Cook. What do they have? Not a lot?
Speaker 1: And I don't think you're gonna be able to run
Speaker 1: against the Bucks. And then you look at the Vikings
Speaker 1: offensive line. I think they've been struggling lately. I don't
Speaker 1: trust their communication. And you gotta play of Todd Bowls
Speaker 1: defense that gives you all sorts of looks, all sorts
Speaker 1: of problems. And that's why I feel good about the
Speaker 1: Bucks bouncing back and I'm locking it up against the
Speaker 1: team of all Right, I like that. That's a good pick.
Speaker 1: I think you're a little strong of the Bowls of Sons.
Speaker 1: This defense hasn't been quite what it was. And did
Speaker 1: you say, if you take away Dalvin Cook, what are
Speaker 1: the Vikings that? What about Justin Jefferson and Adam Feeling
Speaker 1: maybe the best one to punch at wide receiver we
Speaker 1: have in the in our league. They're asking Kirk to
Speaker 1: do all this third and thirteen stuff, and he's getting
Speaker 1: it done each and every week. But I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think that works against Tampa. I mean, they didn't
Speaker 1: throw a deep ball until the second half last week.
Speaker 1: I would maybe, you know, test this defense in that
Speaker 1: in that nature earlier on in the scheme because I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's not a great scenario for Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 1: I have to wonder if the Vikings, who you know,
Speaker 1: the only teams that seemed to impact negatively the Bucks.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to get to Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: That's an age old. Uh, we know that whole situation.
Speaker 1: But they traded away Yannick and Gokway when it felt
Speaker 1: like they were sort of selling the farm, and he
Speaker 1: still leads the team in sacks. He only played six
Speaker 1: games there. I do wonder if they regret that trade
Speaker 1: because they are alive, um, but they can't rush the
Speaker 1: passer very well right now, and that's just a formula
Speaker 1: for them getting nipped in games. Uh. You know, they
Speaker 1: seem to constantly be alive in the fourth quarter, but
Speaker 1: then then too many X factors, uh, you know, ring in.
Speaker 1: So I would like to see Minnesota like show up
Speaker 1: in this one. Um. I the Bucks to me, I'm
Speaker 1: still trying to figure out who they are. I don't
Speaker 1: think that the some of their parts on offense, does
Speaker 1: this qualify as the fallacy of the predetermined outcome? Because
Speaker 1: in Gockway went to Baltimore, but now he's injured in
Speaker 1: his a reduced player. If you would have stayed in
Speaker 1: Minnesota with his foothurt, someone's gonna take me through the
Speaker 1: science on that or in Gockway, I think if you do,
Speaker 1: his record right now is three and ten on the
Speaker 1: year he's played in extra games. The problems keep losing.
Speaker 1: He trade him to Baltimore and they start losing. It's
Speaker 1: not your fault. Yeah, don't tell like Steven A. Smith
Speaker 1: about that. It's gonna lead to an epic rant against
Speaker 1: the poor man. All right, let's get continue to roll
Speaker 1: through Week four team, But before we do that, I
Speaker 1: have some developing news to share. Uh. This week, Bob
Speaker 1: Costas joined Twitter or did he? Mark Sessler's boyhood hero,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler's teenage hero, Mark Sessler's twenties and thirties and
Speaker 1: forties hero appeared to jump on Twitter as at real
Speaker 1: underscore Bob Costas, but no, it was debunked by his
Speaker 1: son Keith and his agent confirming it was fake. And
Speaker 1: then Bob Mark went on The Rich Eyes and Show
Speaker 1: to further clarify there that he wants nothing to do
Speaker 1: with social media in the twenty one century. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like his son basically said, unless my dad has done
Speaker 1: a basically like an identity switch. He would never do this,
Speaker 1: and so there is argument um rich argument to suggest
Speaker 1: that Bob Costas is not someone that is uh totally
Speaker 1: willing to advance with the times in terms of um
Speaker 1: how he would express himself on social media. He's he's
Speaker 1: a ghost on that front. That song though, that little
Speaker 1: NFL Live song you played it there, that gets me.
Speaker 1: I don't. That's emotional. I can't. Let's let's let's get
Speaker 1: out of the way and just listen. I mean, if
Speaker 1: there's one thing that speaking of social media tendencies, mark
Speaker 1: if he's not posting pictures by the Colorado River everyone
Speaker 1: in flannel looking like uhi and the other guy uh
Speaker 1: from the Walsh family. It is Bob Costas old school
Speaker 1: NBC video clips from NBC. I was just annoyed at
Speaker 1: all the people who are like, hey, Bob was it
Speaker 1: was a classmate of years at Syracuse Journalism. It's great
Speaker 1: to see like a million people with blue check marks,
Speaker 1: thought Bob cost this was like, hey, I don't know
Speaker 1: how this tweeter works. And he puts up a corny
Speaker 1: background with a bunch of people from NBC as if
Speaker 1: he didn't have, you know, a little bit of a
Speaker 1: break up there at NBC, Like he's putting those pictures
Speaker 1: up as his background. It was pretty easy to de bunk.
Speaker 1: I did it that night. I came after after him
Speaker 1: and just took a chance that it was fake and
Speaker 1: and it absolutely Greg, Are you at least proud of
Speaker 1: the fact that I did not try to communicate with
Speaker 1: Bob cost It was just like, hey, do you remember
Speaker 1: me from that you know Syracuse classes, Like you think
Speaker 1: Bob Costas is out here without a check mark, just
Speaker 1: popping in on a Friday night or whatever it was,
Speaker 1: come on mark where you did. For a split second,
Speaker 1: you were filled with joy. I imagine though, when it
Speaker 1: looked like Bob Costas had joined Twitter, I was freaking out. Um.
Speaker 1: But but actually my way into it was learning that
Speaker 1: it was a fraud. So for like less than half
Speaker 1: a second, um, I just took it. The look at
Speaker 1: the picture and I thought, he is he has arrived.
Speaker 1: He has joined Twitter. Middle school. All right, Well, we
Speaker 1: will continue to track this story because who knows, maybe
Speaker 1: Bob will say, man, all this hullabaloo, this has made
Speaker 1: me relevant again. I'm in the news again. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: time to get on social media. This is in a weird,
Speaker 1: roundabout way, this is what I need to get my
Speaker 1: career back on track. Bob Costs, I'm not listening to
Speaker 1: any of that, alright enough, I don't know if Bob
Speaker 1: Costas will always be fertile fertile ground on this joke.
Speaker 1: I hope he knows. He doesn't, but I'm sure that
Speaker 1: would be a highlight for him. Just like Bob. We're
Speaker 1: not going to move along with the times. This Bob
Speaker 1: cost Is joke. We're gonna be doing it in fifteen
Speaker 1: years if we're lucky. Alright, as long as you two
Speaker 1: keep showing an utter lack of respect, it will be
Speaker 1: a bit. All right, let's let's continue with the draft. Mark,
Speaker 1: I think where we left off. Actually, no excuse me.
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal is about to make his second selection. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I need a late game. I'm gonna take Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: is first career start against the Saints. What what a
Speaker 1: great situation. It's a good value. That's a good value pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Taysom Hill looks like he will start again.
Speaker 1: Drew Brees doesn't sound like he's ready. And you think
Speaker 1: about what Jalen Hurts is stepping into here. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know, let's hand the ball off to Miles Sanders.
Speaker 1: You're going up against the best run defense in the
Speaker 1: NFL right now. Let's drop back to pass against the
Speaker 1: Saints defense that's playing better right now than they have
Speaker 1: all season, going up against an Eagle's offensive line that's
Speaker 1: mostly been a mess. It's a tough spot for Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I am, I guess anxious about when
Speaker 1: it comes to this game, that you could see the
Speaker 1: Saints just blowing them out of the water, especially when
Speaker 1: the Eagles have the ball, because the Eagles coaching staff
Speaker 1: has not shown me much to believe in that they're
Speaker 1: gonna cook up anything for Hurts. I thought Hurts needed
Speaker 1: to start when said basically benched himself. It had to happen,
Speaker 1: and Hurts me a couple of nice plays put him
Speaker 1: in there. But this is about as tough of a
Speaker 1: first start as he could possibly have. I mean it is,
Speaker 1: and it shows you, like how well uh the situation
Speaker 1: has gone for Taysom Hill because of all the strength
Speaker 1: surrounding him. But I wonder if the bar actually is
Speaker 1: relatively low for Hurts in the sense that this offense
Speaker 1: has been one of the most boring things that has
Speaker 1: occurred in professional sports in uh that even a little
Speaker 1: bit of life, any sort of sign of life, Um,
Speaker 1: he will be praised for. And you know, I mean
Speaker 1: if he if he doesn't succeed, Uh, you still have
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson hanging out there is your sort of Lee
Speaker 1: Harvey oswald Es scapegoat to just blame. So I mean Hurts.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not a good matchup, but I could
Speaker 1: see Hurts doing just a little bit of anything and
Speaker 1: people thinking this guy's fun. Yeah, this was the right move.
Speaker 1: And I think it was a move that Peterson was
Speaker 1: loath to make because he knows he's tied two Wentz
Speaker 1: and by benching Wentz, it's an admission of failure that
Speaker 1: everything that this season was built around on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the all was bad and wrong and failed.
Speaker 1: And now you have to pivot and hope Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: uh delivers something in this audition. I would hope they
Speaker 1: give Jalen Hurts the rest of the season. The Eagles
Speaker 1: are all but dead in the NFC East at this point,
Speaker 1: and whence it does doesn't seem like, I'm not saying.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Wentz is going to forever be
Speaker 1: this guy now, although that's certainly possible. But I think
Speaker 1: it's clear this guy needs to, you know, take a seat,
Speaker 1: maybe have an offseason build up some things, work on
Speaker 1: some things physically mentally, and and and come back wherever
Speaker 1: he may be. I mean, they ranked Wentz ranked thirty
Speaker 1: feet out of thirty three qualified qbs and passer rating.
Speaker 1: This season, he had more giveaways than any Eagles quarterback
Speaker 1: through twelve games since nineteen. The Eagles went three and
Speaker 1: out thirty six times this season so far, most in
Speaker 1: the NFL, more than the Jets. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: still hard to believe. So now you get a chance
Speaker 1: to get Hurts in there, and it's a tough spoty
Speaker 1: the Saints, who have been awesome obviously on defense this season,
Speaker 1: but it's it's not a moment too soon. The Saints
Speaker 1: have allowed eight point eight points per game since Week nine.
Speaker 1: I am not excited about. You know, this is coming
Speaker 1: a bunch of whit crackers with their like word play
Speaker 1: jokes about hurts the last name, the fact that whether
Speaker 1: you know if someone gets hurt or if if he
Speaker 1: hurts the defense with a nice pass um, can we
Speaker 1: stay away from those? If you're someone that's inclined to
Speaker 1: use that type of humor on Sunday, um, please check
Speaker 1: yourself at the door. Just a public snouncement. I'm not
Speaker 1: really deeply. Despite Colleen being one of our favorite people
Speaker 1: and we love John Gonzalez and Philadelphia, I don't know
Speaker 1: Philadelphia very well. John Renald Gonzalez port Marks twelve nine
Speaker 1: is an American sports writer. Was married NFL media broadcaster
Speaker 1: Colley Wolf. Johnho was a Poces resides in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: with his wife and two dogs, despite the proximity growing
Speaker 1: up to the city. So I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: they're dailies. Uh, Tabloids have the same zeal when it
Speaker 1: comes to headline writing that the New York Post in
Speaker 1: the New York the News, uh do, but love hurts
Speaker 1: feels like one that's bang if he if he plays well,
Speaker 1: love hurts, that's not bad. A lot of everybody hurts.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're getting off. At least, you know, you
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about dying. On Taysom Hill Hill
Speaker 1: seems like he's in a nice, nice spot here made
Speaker 1: some good throws last week thought I thought, um, he's
Speaker 1: getting a little too much credit for a game where
Speaker 1: he fumbled twice in the fourth quarter and one of
Speaker 1: them could have been was as bad as Mitchell Drabinsky's fumble.
Speaker 1: I think worse really, if you look at the play
Speaker 1: that he had at the end, it's just he got
Speaker 1: lucky and it went out of bounds on him. He
Speaker 1: has nine fumbles on the year, so the only two
Speaker 1: players who have fumbled more than him our Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: and Jared Goff and Taysom Hill's barely played. I mean
Speaker 1: that that's a pretty that's a pretty big issue for him.
Speaker 1: He reminds me a little bit here. I wish West
Speaker 1: was here to check this one of like a poor
Speaker 1: man's rookie RG three, because he can make the throws.
Speaker 1: The running ability is his next level. He's so physical.
Speaker 1: If he's got the first read there, he can make
Speaker 1: those throws and you're gonna scheme him up. I think
Speaker 1: that's only gonna last so long. But he reminds me
Speaker 1: of kind of like a good rookie, you know, the
Speaker 1: good RG three. The rookie people forget about RG three,
Speaker 1: especially like you saw him most recently, and it was sad.
Speaker 1: It was like a old thoroughbred that needs to be
Speaker 1: put out to past year. But I mean, I remember
Speaker 1: one game in RGC three's rookie year, might have even
Speaker 1: been his the opening game where he just went nuts,
Speaker 1: where he got to the outside and then just toasted
Speaker 1: everyone because he was the fastest guy on the field.
Speaker 1: Tayson Mill doesn't strike me as the same type of
Speaker 1: almost there. I mean to me, he's there just the
Speaker 1: peg below. You know, Kyler and Lamar as runners, but
Speaker 1: pretty much right right next you said poor man. So
Speaker 1: it's like it would cost a lot less money for
Speaker 1: that player and he would do lesser things. That's fair,
Speaker 1: I want to say before we move on Alvin Kamara. Listen,
Speaker 1: fantasy owners out there, a good job. We got the
Speaker 1: w we got the touchdown last week, but it should
Speaker 1: be noted that it is no longer just a blip
Speaker 1: on the radar. Alvin Kamara has seven receiving yards over
Speaker 1: three games with Taysom Hill, his lowest amount of receiving yards.
Speaker 1: He ever had in one game with seven yards, and
Speaker 1: it happened once his whole career. Now he has seven
Speaker 1: total in three games, so that's just not part of
Speaker 1: this offense with Taysom Hill. But as I said, I
Speaker 1: think on Tuesday Show, this is a huge start for
Speaker 1: living on Taysom Hill. If he lights up the Eagles,
Speaker 1: it gives Sean Payton a lot to think about down
Speaker 1: the stretch. So very interesting game there, even if the
Speaker 1: Eagles aren't so interesting this year. Greg, it snakes to you. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm really struggling with this one. It's uh, I need
Speaker 1: another early game. I kind of like banging out games
Speaker 1: that I don't want to watch on game Pass, just
Speaker 1: like get it out of the way. Let's go Texans Bears,
Speaker 1: which I think will be the first time we do something. Hey, Ricky,
Speaker 1: let's for these games. Now that we're later in the season.
Speaker 1: We have so many games to get to. We're gonna
Speaker 1: start a two minute drill for certain games that are
Speaker 1: not as saucy in the back half of these previews episodes.
Speaker 1: So let's set the clock at two minutes to talk
Speaker 1: about Houston Chicago. Hit it right, I mean, don't blame
Speaker 1: us Bears fan, you guys did this to you. The
Speaker 1: Bears Lions game last week was one of the first
Speaker 1: games all year I was watching on game Pass, thinking
Speaker 1: like it reminded me of you Mark, Like there was
Speaker 1: kind of a Quentin Tarantino cut about forty five minutes
Speaker 1: on game Pass where they're showing a lot of replays
Speaker 1: of second down and nine eight yard games. It's like,
Speaker 1: I've seen enough of this Bears team. Part of it
Speaker 1: is because Khalil Mack and Robert Quinn are doing nothing combined.
Speaker 1: One quarterback hit between the two of them in the
Speaker 1: last four weeks. How about that. Yeah, it's like we
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't watch the Bears, you think
Speaker 1: all their identity is defense, and they're actually like they're
Speaker 1: not there. Takeaways are far far lower than they were
Speaker 1: in previous years. They just got smoked for about four
Speaker 1: hundred yards through the air from a Matthew Stafford Lions
Speaker 1: offense that has struggled to do things in previous weeks. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know who the Bears are right now.
Speaker 1: I don't think they know who they are. Yeah. If
Speaker 1: the whole thing with the Bears was we knew their
Speaker 1: offense was gonna be good going into the season, they
Speaker 1: needed the defense to be special. The defenses and special.
Speaker 1: It's just like, what, what's there at this point, Matt
Speaker 1: Naggy his job security. He's in a tough spot right now.
Speaker 1: This is a tough game for Bears fans because it's
Speaker 1: all gonna be about how they didn't draft Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 1: which I think should get to the point that Texans fans,
Speaker 1: you know, aren't thrilled with their lives right now, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of drama in their front office. But
Speaker 1: just be happy you're not the Bears. Be happy you
Speaker 1: have Deshaun Watson because you know that that's a pretty
Speaker 1: big difference. Knowing that he's there is still a great gift, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, he nearly beat the Colts on his own.
Speaker 1: You take away that errant uh snap at the end
Speaker 1: of the game, and we're talking about both those teams differently,
Speaker 1: especially the Colts. Kiki Kote that is a nice free
Speaker 1: agent pick up if your fantasy playoffs are picking up,
Speaker 1: because Deshaun Watson is going to continue to find receivers
Speaker 1: and and pile up points. And Brandon Cooks, I guess
Speaker 1: is the is the number one guy are But Kiki
Speaker 1: had a really nice game, I believe a hundred forty
Speaker 1: yards in that near win over the Colts. That's a
Speaker 1: pretty good Cults defense. Keep an eye on that. I
Speaker 1: like it all right, Let's move on the old zeuser
Speaker 1: will grab Jets at Seattle a late game Sunday. Uh.
Speaker 1: We touched on it very briefly on Tuesday, but that
Speaker 1: the Hail Murray, Hail not Hail Murray. The Hail Mary
Speaker 1: basically from Derek Carr got Graig Williams fired. Uh. And
Speaker 1: it did prompt my favorite Keith Hans's text of the year.
Speaker 1: Let me find it because I haven't. Dad and I
Speaker 1: have obviously been in touch about the Jets as um
Speaker 1: we always are, but it's been such a sad year
Speaker 1: that there's just been less of it because what is
Speaker 1: there to talk about when the team literally loses every week?
Speaker 1: But this is the text I got from my dad
Speaker 1: on Monday morning at ten twelve am. Gaze five is Williams.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding that? Fool fire and someone else? Uh.
Speaker 1: I do miss your dad on the show, but I
Speaker 1: think it was an act of extreme mercy to not
Speaker 1: force him into this. UM. I I would hate to
Speaker 1: be the Jets this week. I think you're getting an angry,
Speaker 1: annoyed Seattle team that you know for all this business
Speaker 1: about how they can't rush the pastor and they can
Speaker 1: in many ways they can't. They lead the league in
Speaker 1: sacks since Week nine, and I a lot of it
Speaker 1: has to do with Jamal Adams, and there's the Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams verse, the Jets thing. I mean, it's like these
Speaker 1: are some of these now. I think some of these
Speaker 1: revenge games are totally absurd. It's like a, Uh, you
Speaker 1: were paid a ton of money. Um, you're you started
Speaker 1: to get extremely mouthy. They got value for you. You
Speaker 1: got what you wanted. I mean, maybe you wanted to
Speaker 1: prance off to Dallas, but you're probably happy you're not
Speaker 1: there now. And and so the revenges, you're gonna go
Speaker 1: lay a hurt on on Sam Donald, who doesn't deserve
Speaker 1: anymore ill will this entire season. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: buy the narrative. He has been He has been a
Speaker 1: really good addition to their defense. Gotta you gotta give you,
Speaker 1: gotta give him that when he's been on the field,
Speaker 1: even if he's not maybe the best cover guy they
Speaker 1: use him. This is an interesting staff. They use him
Speaker 1: as a pure pass rusher on a quarter of his
Speaker 1: snaps on the field, just about which is you know,
Speaker 1: notable completely out of um. It makes him a unique player, uh,
Speaker 1: and he does his job. The average is about a
Speaker 1: sack of game that he plays in, so he he
Speaker 1: feels that void, which obviously they needed somebody to get
Speaker 1: to the passer. But has is their defense any better
Speaker 1: this year than it was last year? Maybe it is
Speaker 1: better than it's been the last few weeks, but I
Speaker 1: guess Greg, I'm keeping an eye on. This offense for
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Is very rare that you remember seeing Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson be so frustrated, uh and looks so frustrated as
Speaker 1: he was against the Giants when he got sacked five
Speaker 1: times and hit a bunch, And there was criticism after
Speaker 1: the game that, yes, the Seattle offensive line is a liability,
Speaker 1: but Russell Wilson, with his playing style, basically passed himself
Speaker 1: into some of those sacks totally. I think it was
Speaker 1: the coverage that confused him. I think he's held the
Speaker 1: ball a ton that was not on the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Last week. You've seen more of those Russell Wilson running
Speaker 1: around like crazy hoping to make things happen plays in
Speaker 1: the last few weeks than I feel like we've seen
Speaker 1: in a few years now. That used to be a
Speaker 1: big part of his style, but now he's more you know,
Speaker 1: get the ball out on time, and all the people
Speaker 1: who are anti you know, let rust cook like heay,
Speaker 1: we gotta run the ball there. Crowing right now because
Speaker 1: he's second in the league and sacks take and fifth
Speaker 1: and fumbles. He's not in the top ten in QBR
Speaker 1: right now. There's been a lot of negative plays. I
Speaker 1: still think you want to make their passing game the
Speaker 1: biggest part of their offense. But they gotta come up
Speaker 1: with something against these um deeper defenses that take away
Speaker 1: their receivers. They need Josh Gordon to help them out.
Speaker 1: I don't know, they need some more weapons. I think
Speaker 1: other than just lock it in metcalf in, you need
Speaker 1: more than two guys. How old is Josh Gordon at
Speaker 1: this point? He's not playing exact way next week he
Speaker 1: I think he kild returned by week sixteen, by the way,
Speaker 1: but uh, he's not that old. He is twenty nine
Speaker 1: years old. DK metcalf could have two hundred yards against
Speaker 1: this Jet secondary it won't match this week. I mean
Speaker 1: the Seahawks of average less than twenty points a game
Speaker 1: in the last month, which is kind of hard to believe,
Speaker 1: but I think that changes. And you mentioned Josh Gordon,
Speaker 1: a former Baylor standout. Denzel Mims one of the guys
Speaker 1: you look forward to watch as a Jets fan, one
Speaker 1: of the few things you have to look forward to.
Speaker 1: We had a family emergency, had to fly home to Texas,
Speaker 1: and because of the COVID regulations, uh the fact that
Speaker 1: he flew out of state, he can't get cleared to
Speaker 1: play Sunday. So I mean, so he's just not gonna play.
Speaker 1: So you lose Denzel Mims from that offense. Good luck
Speaker 1: to the Jets. Uh see how Seahawks looks like a
Speaker 1: chance to get healthy al Right, up next to Mark Seiler,
Speaker 1: all Right, I'm gonna go Tennessee at Jacksonville. That's an
Speaker 1: early game. I you know, I think a little bit
Speaker 1: lost in the in the whipping by Cleveland, which is
Speaker 1: really a first half affair because in the second half,
Speaker 1: I mean, Tennessee's offense was awesome, um on stoppable, and
Speaker 1: I think that's been kind of the case with the
Speaker 1: Titans on a weekly basis. It's what I expect to
Speaker 1: happen this week against Jacksonville. Defense that has not held
Speaker 1: opponent under twenty one points since Week one. You know,
Speaker 1: their defense is not terrible, by the way, but I
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't. I think Tennessee playing for their
Speaker 1: lives right now, is going to come in. UM highly
Speaker 1: agitated Tannehill through for nearly four hundred yards against Cleveland
Speaker 1: last week, and it just gets a little bit lost
Speaker 1: in the weeds. Um that they they a few weirder
Speaker 1: things had happened. Um, they could have won that game.
Speaker 1: And I think they are certainly the equal of the Browns. Um.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't want to I wouldn't want to see
Speaker 1: what would happen if Cleveland played them again. I really
Speaker 1: just think that I like this Titans team a bunch,
Speaker 1: And UM, this to me feels like sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: Daddy needs a blowout on something. Let's I don't need
Speaker 1: all these games in this game in this case, Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: do are my needs ever addressed? Met? Even thought about? Um?
Speaker 1: Often not? But let in this case this, I'm asking
Speaker 1: for a very small thing to blow out in his
Speaker 1: tummy exactly, you know, because I didn't get the yummy
Speaker 1: yummy thing correct last week. That game was all right,
Speaker 1: but it was not what I was expecting. So you
Speaker 1: know that was the San Francisco Buffalo game that you
Speaker 1: wanted in your tummy. Yes, yeah, that was one thing
Speaker 1: that Um. When that got tweeted out, a lot of
Speaker 1: people thought it was slightly odd that the Marines are
Speaker 1: sponsor were attached to that ten second sound clip. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's what the Marines are going for from
Speaker 1: an image angle, but it was. It hadn't. It was
Speaker 1: not a commentary on the Marines weeks. Don't don't. Don't
Speaker 1: be so quick to think that that might be exactly
Speaker 1: what they were looking for. Um, I'm surprised to hear
Speaker 1: you put so much into that second half by Tennessee
Speaker 1: because they were so thoroughly I mean it was seven
Speaker 1: at halftime, and Tennessee is allowed thirty plus points in
Speaker 1: six games this season. Only the Bengals of fewer sacks
Speaker 1: than Tennessee. And John Robinson he's gotta eat it because
Speaker 1: this is a team that was a step away from
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl last year. The needed help on defense,
Speaker 1: especially in the past rush and he went out and
Speaker 1: got Vic Beasley, and he went out and got Jadavian Clowney,
Speaker 1: and neither of those guys did Jack squad for him,
Speaker 1: So they feel like they're in the same spot. They're
Speaker 1: not any better. And I like the Titans too, because
Speaker 1: I really love the offense. There's just so many studs
Speaker 1: on that side of the ball. But with a compromised
Speaker 1: offensive line and a defense that can't really play, uh,
Speaker 1: that just seems to be a ceiling on this team.
Speaker 1: They just seem like a team that needs to play
Speaker 1: with the lead. There's a couple of teams like that
Speaker 1: out there. They might get a Dory Jackson back. They've
Speaker 1: been hoping. You know, he's missed the whole year, I think,
Speaker 1: or maybe he played Week one or two. I remember
Speaker 1: you say, how I forget everything, but you know I could.
Speaker 1: I remember this Jaguars Titans game in Week two very
Speaker 1: well because that was at the point of the season
Speaker 1: when I was completely overrating the Jaguars coming off a
Speaker 1: Week one win, and they outplayed this Titans team in
Speaker 1: Week two. They ended up losing thirty three to thirty
Speaker 1: because of a bunch of turnovers, even though they put
Speaker 1: up about five hundred yards with Gardner Minshew, who's wasted
Speaker 1: away on the bench. But it was kind of the
Speaker 1: start of this Tannehill season that I'm really I'm just
Speaker 1: so impressed how he's changed his career because you know,
Speaker 1: we we talked. Yes, he has weapons, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: have much of an offensive line, and he certainly doesn't
Speaker 1: have a defense, and he's a top ten quarterback. There's
Speaker 1: not You're right, there's not a lot of reason to
Speaker 1: think Mike Glennon can keep up. Mike Glennon's played okay.
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna look for like a team that
Speaker 1: you know might be, they're not. They're not tanking on
Speaker 1: the field. But if the front office is the one
Speaker 1: deciding that Glennon is playing, that a little tanking. This
Speaker 1: is to me the last stand of the Manchuvians, where
Speaker 1: you know, he's had his chance as a starter, he
Speaker 1: didn't play very well, didn't leave the team anywhere, and
Speaker 1: then he gets hurt and the coach doesn't want to
Speaker 1: put him back in. But the Manchuvians can say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, they just would have put Gardner in, things
Speaker 1: would have been different. You get to have that hypothetical
Speaker 1: and take that into another off season. So I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think the Manchuvians are very loud right now.
Speaker 1: I mean I I think this is a scenario where
Speaker 1: like they're not playing him because he gives them too
Speaker 1: of a chance to win games. I played, okay to
Speaker 1: be fair, like a fine backup quarterback, not a good one,
Speaker 1: but a guy who should That's kind of point. It's
Speaker 1: like this idea that the only possible explanation for Gardner
Speaker 1: Minshew not playing is because the Jaguars are tanking, because
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew obviously so much better than Mike Lennon. No,
Speaker 1: I don't believe it, but I don't like I think Actually,
Speaker 1: if you're real about Gardner Minshew, he is who he is.
Speaker 1: I think he is going to be in the league
Speaker 1: for a long time as a backup quarterback. He could
Speaker 1: make spots starts. I don't know if he's a starter.
Speaker 1: I thould be a Fitzpatrick. I think he could be too.
Speaker 1: I think it could be too. But I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone is saying that this incredible coaching staff has come
Speaker 1: to the conclusion that Gardner Minshew is the worst quarterback
Speaker 1: on the roster. That that's absurd. If that's the conclusion
Speaker 1: they've come, just to me, there's something a little going
Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. Something I don't hate it, Mark,
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. It's it's a It's a perfect
Speaker 1: late season storyline for you. Anyways, my team is oh
Speaker 1: and twelve. Mark, give me what I can get. Whatever
Speaker 1: you can, I will give you something that you won't enjoy.
Speaker 1: Next I'm gonna go Dallas at Cincinnati. I believe this
Speaker 1: would qualify as a quicker conversation. All right, I want
Speaker 1: to tell you something about the Cowboys that really annoys me.
Speaker 1: Um and it's not news to most people, but while
Speaker 1: you know, Dann, we covered that Ravens Cowboys calamity for Dallas,
Speaker 1: I saw a team that just basically gave up. And
Speaker 1: the body language as they were panting along the Cowboys
Speaker 1: bench at the end of that game, Defenders just sitting
Speaker 1: there with their helmets half off, scowls on their faces,
Speaker 1: no energy. And you know what the problem is, I've
Speaker 1: seen the Cowboys look this way multiple times. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just that game where the season is completely lost, multiple games.
Speaker 1: I don't think they've ever bought into Mike Nolan's scheme
Speaker 1: at all. Guys like Jalen Smith, who were productive in
Speaker 1: past regimes, guys you you build your defense around, have
Speaker 1: been completely lost this season. I see no argument for
Speaker 1: this coaching staff to keep Mike Nolan next season. It's
Speaker 1: not personally, but but here's the thing. Do you trust
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy to say goodbye to one of his boys?
Speaker 1: Like I just think this feels like a very gerald
Speaker 1: saying it is. Uh. Sometimes this can cause a problem
Speaker 1: with the coach. I just I I wonder what happens
Speaker 1: to this coaching staff because frankly, the argument does not
Speaker 1: extend to keep Mike McCarthy for all he's showing us,
Speaker 1: but get rid of Mike Nolan. I get that there's
Speaker 1: injuries and stuff, but other teams with injuries have been
Speaker 1: much craftier in terms of game planning everything than the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They feel like a coaching staff shot to us from
Speaker 1: there's it was a dark, dark night for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and hearing Troy Aikman just be so sad, just told
Speaker 1: the whole story. I want Troy on every Cowboys game
Speaker 1: from now. That was highly entertaining. I like this, He's great.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with Troy wearing his emotions on
Speaker 1: his sleeve. He is Mr Cowboy, and especially at this time.
Speaker 1: I would imagine if you're a Cowboys fan, it actually
Speaker 1: it feels good. It's like Joe bin Ingo moaning about
Speaker 1: the Jets on w F A and A two in
Speaker 1: the morning. Uh in the nineties lose their this game,
Speaker 1: big big one for the number three overall pick here
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys can actually lose and get ahead of
Speaker 1: the Bengals. Can you imagine? And Dass got up for
Speaker 1: a trillion dollar contract and the Cowboys and position maybe
Speaker 1: keep an eye on all this. Um uh. Speaking of
Speaker 1: that Bengals, uh team they played the Dolphins. I just
Speaker 1: want to quickly share before we go on my favorite
Speaker 1: thing I've seen on the most impressive thing I've seen
Speaker 1: on a football field in I want to give the
Speaker 1: man credit, Ron Torbert. He's been an official in the
Speaker 1: NFL forever. And let's listen into after one of the
Speaker 1: melee's that happened in this game. What Torbert pulled off
Speaker 1: well by both teams both and after the play. During
Speaker 1: the playing personal foul interference with the opportunity to catch
Speaker 1: the kick by the kicking team number eighty during the
Speaker 1: return personal foul illegal blond side block by the return
Speaker 1: team number eighties six. By rule, Miami is elected to
Speaker 1: enforce the kick catch interference file from the previous spot
Speaker 1: replay fourth down after the play was over. Personal foul,
Speaker 1: unnecessary roughness by Cincinnati number thirty six Miami number eleven
Speaker 1: also unsportsmanli conduct by Cincinnati number two, Number thirty six
Speaker 1: from Cincinnati, number eleven from Miami, and number eighty six
Speaker 1: from Miami are all disqualified from the game. Will be
Speaker 1: fourth down. That is now if you are if you
Speaker 1: are listening to this podcast, you didn't just see that video.
Speaker 1: You may think he's reading off a note card. Ron
Speaker 1: Torbert just gave a sixties second update on everything that
Speaker 1: just happened in that game with Naria Narius Stumble and
Speaker 1: just nailed everything. And I'm just like, legitimately not I'm
Speaker 1: not joking here, amazed that an official can do that,
Speaker 1: also knowing he's on national television as it happens. I
Speaker 1: love that you brought that up because if you remember
Speaker 1: on our recap show, uh, someone was asking I think
Speaker 1: it was you, Dan, like why player X wasn't removed
Speaker 1: right right? And and in in my takeaway was a
Speaker 1: I would never want to be a ref. I would
Speaker 1: be a huge hot mess in that scenario trying to
Speaker 1: memorize all that business. But Secondly, his poise and even
Speaker 1: the announcers were like, wow, he handled that really well,
Speaker 1: because you're right. It was like it was like a
Speaker 1: State of the Union address, no teleprompter. He delivered it flawlessly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they the State of the Union. They have a teleprompter
Speaker 1: that you're just looking at the you're told the transit
Speaker 1: official face this direction of the field. That's where the
Speaker 1: camera's gonna be on you, and just start talk. And
Speaker 1: I'm glad you pointed out that was one of those
Speaker 1: things on Game Pass. I always, you know, pressed the
Speaker 1: forward ten second button whenever you see a penalty. It's
Speaker 1: like I don't need to see, you know, to save
Speaker 1: some time, and then you just okay, hit it again
Speaker 1: and hit again. It was like, how long is this?
Speaker 1: They go on, hit it again, hit it again. It
Speaker 1: was I've never seen such a thing. All right, good stuff, Mark,
Speaker 1: I believe it snakes to you again. I well, I'm
Speaker 1: happy to do a third straight. You already all right?
Speaker 1: That's up. That means that I wouldn't be happy to
Speaker 1: do that. So it's back to the old zeuser and uh,
Speaker 1: let us go. So you took dall since he oh yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let's go with hell. I watched Aaron Rodgers about that
Speaker 1: Green Bay at Detroit. Uh in one of the late
Speaker 1: games Detroit, A nice little moment there for Darryl Bevil,
Speaker 1: who took over for Matt Patricia and what's been just
Speaker 1: another deeply disappointing season in Detroit. And the Lions with
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford throwing for over four hundred yards, wipes out
Speaker 1: at ten point deficit thirty. They beat the Bears. After
Speaker 1: the game, Stafford hands the game ball to Bevil and Uh,
Speaker 1: Bevil says, my emotions right now, I can't even think straight.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to wrap my head around this whole thing.
Speaker 1: What just happened. And there there's your reminder. And everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Doug Marone, he's he's working with the Jags the tank.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, Doug Marone, he's playing the quarterback.
Speaker 1: He thinks gives them the best chance to win, because
Speaker 1: these guys are deeply prideful, the coaches, the players. Uh
Speaker 1: an old uh an old. Colleague of mine at The
Speaker 1: Journal News, Jeff Gold tweeted me recently in response to
Speaker 1: talking about tanking. He said, and I thought it was
Speaker 1: a good point fans, tank front offices, sometimes tank coaches
Speaker 1: and players, and the Lions that was a nice moment
Speaker 1: in a time at a time in their history when
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of nice things. But now they
Speaker 1: won't have anything nice against the Packers because Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is steaming towards another m v P. It's unbelievable what
Speaker 1: he's doing this year when now with the numbers as
Speaker 1: they as they pile up, because when you essentially throw
Speaker 1: for three or four touchdowns with a one ten to
Speaker 1: one passer rating every single week, by the time you
Speaker 1: get to the middle of December, there's some like oh
Speaker 1: wow stuff going on. And that's what we have with Rogers.
Speaker 1: The differences. He used to hold the ball so long,
Speaker 1: I think because he didn't totally trust what was happening
Speaker 1: on offense or there's just not guys open, and that
Speaker 1: was basically his downfall for years. And now he's getting
Speaker 1: the ball on time, in rhythm, and that's a credit
Speaker 1: to Matt Laflori and to Aaron Rodgers. I am hoping
Speaker 1: at least the Lions make this a game because the
Speaker 1: bevolution is here, you know, that's what we're calling the
Speaker 1: bevelution is here. It will be televised. This Lions offense. Wow,
Speaker 1: you like it? I can't. I mean, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be hard to it's a show because that is that
Speaker 1: just changed everything. They were different last week. They played
Speaker 1: up tempo. There, they went bombs away, they stopped handing
Speaker 1: the ball off. I almost felt like they just decided,
Speaker 1: our defense is so bad, let's not worry about like
Speaker 1: keeping the ball and keeping it away from him. Who
Speaker 1: cares if they give up thirty points the Mitchell drubisky.
Speaker 1: Let's just make old Bevil look good. Let's have some
Speaker 1: bevolution and uh, let's bring in DeAndre Swift back this week,
Speaker 1: so maybe they'll be a little frisky. You know, Bevil
Speaker 1: has wanted to be a head coach for so long.
Speaker 1: I think he's embracing it. He told the players like,
Speaker 1: go have fun. And I know that sounds like super simplistic.
Speaker 1: But the few times that I kind of tweeted about
Speaker 1: the Lions when I was trying to jump on that
Speaker 1: bandwagon a terrible idea. Back in August, I had someone
Speaker 1: we trust very closely, it has been on our show
Speaker 1: before text me and say uh, and I was like why,
Speaker 1: I mean, why can't the Lions because he was like,
Speaker 1: you don't you don't understand, like these players, that's insurrection
Speaker 1: time against like Mapatricia. There's just zero fun in that
Speaker 1: building and it is. The atmosphere is rough. So I
Speaker 1: think there's something to bevel come in in and saying
Speaker 1: like come on, like just enjoy yourselves, let it all
Speaker 1: hang out. As Greg said, forget about the defenses issues. Um,
Speaker 1: maybe that gives this chance, this game a chance to
Speaker 1: be to be interesting. I will say one thing about
Speaker 1: Davante Adams. I read this incredible stat about him. Of
Speaker 1: the players with a thousand receiving yards and twelve touchdowns
Speaker 1: in the first ten games of a season, which he
Speaker 1: has done. Here is the list along with him, Randy Moss,
Speaker 1: Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, and Jerry Rice. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: just you can't say it in many different ways, how
Speaker 1: brilliant this receiver is. He's got a shot to join
Speaker 1: him in Canton, I think, I mean, I think it's early.
Speaker 1: It's like we don't need to talk Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: Canady in the middle of his career, but he has,
Speaker 1: he's got a chance. He's definitely on that path and
Speaker 1: here's the staff that tells me this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a blood bath. Aaron Rodgers, as you might assume under
Speaker 1: when he's not under pressure, will absolutely carve a team up.
Speaker 1: This year, He's completing sevent his passes a pass rating
Speaker 1: of one touchdowns, and the Lion have the sixth lowest
Speaker 1: pressure rate in the NFL. So they don't get to
Speaker 1: the quarterback either. But uh, that's it, Green Bay will romp.
Speaker 1: I see it, I feel it, and I think you
Speaker 1: guys agree. Up next in the draft, right, so I
Speaker 1: get these two dogs as a snake at the end.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm basically drafting for Shook and we're gonna
Speaker 1: hit two minutes is maybe too many for these last
Speaker 1: two games. Let's go Falcons Chargers. You want to do
Speaker 1: two minutes for both games? Yeah? I think that's what
Speaker 1: we got left right where total total? Now, we'll give
Speaker 1: him two minutes each. We'll give him too minutes. You know,
Speaker 1: we gave like five minutes. Uh. These poor fans if
Speaker 1: they've made it this far into the show. I think
Speaker 1: one thing that would think about with the Chargers. Someone
Speaker 1: brought this up to me that Eric b enemy this
Speaker 1: would be the perfect spot for him Herbert in the division,
Speaker 1: these offensive weapons, I like it. If I'm Eric b Enemy,
Speaker 1: I like this Chargers uh fit I I do would
Speaker 1: be a little word Herbert just getting out of this
Speaker 1: season healthy. The way their offensive line play has been playing,
Speaker 1: they've they've gone from kind of mediocre bad to worse.
Speaker 1: And that's not usually a problem against the Falcons, but
Speaker 1: you just don't want to see him get hurt down
Speaker 1: the stretch. I also think, like the matching with the
Speaker 1: Enemy and Tom Talsco, I think they should keep Tom Tallesco.
Speaker 1: He is, he's hit it on the He's done a
Speaker 1: lot of good stuff with the draft. I don't think
Speaker 1: he should be swept out with the rest of the
Speaker 1: business here. Um. I think it's it's important to see
Speaker 1: how Justin Herbert kind of bounces back from a ghastly
Speaker 1: team loss forty five to nothing like and I trust
Speaker 1: that he will. He doesn't seem to like hold onto
Speaker 1: his bad places three out of four weeks now, right,
Speaker 1: he think he's come back down. It felt like that
Speaker 1: was rock bottom obviously of the Anthony Linn era, and
Speaker 1: just to put in perspective, um how bad they were
Speaker 1: on special teams by one measure. It was the worst
Speaker 1: special teams game in the last twenty years. They missed
Speaker 1: the forty six yard field goal attempt, they surrendered a
Speaker 1: seventy yard punt return for a touchdown, and then they
Speaker 1: allowed a block field goal try to be returned for
Speaker 1: a score, all in the first half. And the Patriots
Speaker 1: at a sixty one yard punt returned just for good
Speaker 1: measure in the third quarter, and they and they pinned
Speaker 1: him inside of the ten three times. The Patriots. Oh my,
Speaker 1: none of this reflects well on Lynn. I think he
Speaker 1: needs he needs a miracle at this point, right. Well,
Speaker 1: and so Lynn is taking over special teams. But along
Speaker 1: the lines of what you just mentioned, well, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's fixed. It's just that clearly there they understand
Speaker 1: that there are issues. But Football Outsiders has them ranked
Speaker 1: right now as the second worst special teams unit since insane.
Speaker 1: It doesn't supprectly this has to be two minutes. Where
Speaker 1: are we at, Hadad? We're dying here? Uh, there we go?
Speaker 1: How about Raheem mark four and one against non Saints teams? Alright,
Speaker 1: close it out? Alright, finally, what is still on the board.
Speaker 1: I'm losing track. Carolina Denver, Oh, it's the COVID Bowl.
Speaker 1: Hit the clock, Ricky on the COVID We're now We're
Speaker 1: now at the point of the season where the Panthers
Speaker 1: have nine players test positive after they come back from
Speaker 1: their bye week, and it barely makes a new news
Speaker 1: ripple um. Technically, not all the nine players tested positive.
Speaker 1: There were some close contacts. Curtis Samuel is expected to play.
Speaker 1: Gross Mottos is off the list, but they're missing a
Speaker 1: bunch of players four and eight. It's a big story, right,
Speaker 1: and it's because they were hanging out together. According to
Speaker 1: they were they were all together at some I don't
Speaker 1: know what they were doing exactly, but it's trouble. I
Speaker 1: do wonder this if how this stretch run affects Teddy
Speaker 1: Bridgewater's future. There he's he has guaranteed money into next year.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to bring in another quarterback, a
Speaker 1: young quarterback probably no matter what he does, but he
Speaker 1: he's probably played his worst games, I would say the
Speaker 1: last two or three games that he played. I think
Speaker 1: to Broncos players that have shown up the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. Shelby Harris on defense leads the league of
Speaker 1: deflected passes, which seems to be like the like I'm
Speaker 1: seeing more deflected passes this year than and then almost
Speaker 1: any other season. And Tim Patrick, I mean, this guy
Speaker 1: is developed into a true weapon on It's not a
Speaker 1: guy anyone talked about. He's there. Number one. He has
Speaker 1: the most yards of anyone on the team, of all
Speaker 1: those young good weapons in Denver, he is the most yards.
Speaker 1: He's a good player. That's Dan No Christian McCaffrey finally
Speaker 1: ready to come back. And turns out he tweaks his
Speaker 1: quad last week in practice and now he's he's questionable
Speaker 1: at time of his taping, and it's like, geez, well,
Speaker 1: I guess part of it is like, why, you know,
Speaker 1: if he's kind of banged up, what are you pressing
Speaker 1: him for? When they true, I guess they should be
Speaker 1: very concerned about that, but they've been Mike David has
Speaker 1: been good on the ground. Well alright, three, Mark, are
Speaker 1: we gonna go crazy about Mike Davis? Is I asked
Speaker 1: the question? No, I just simply think that he's It's
Speaker 1: one thing, like you lose a player in the whole
Speaker 1: offense falls apart. Their offense has been one of the
Speaker 1: more fun attacks to watch and I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: not that one side of the pretty balanced. Hey, Ricky,
Speaker 1: before we go, and I'm not calling this into question
Speaker 1: although I don't have any evidence because I didn't do
Speaker 1: the research that you you did correctly lock up a
Speaker 1: team after and really it was a scandalous move to
Speaker 1: try to lock up the Browns when they were ahead
Speaker 1: by double digits on Sunday with the excuse that you
Speaker 1: had woken up at by the way to get up.
Speaker 1: It's football Sunday. You're the producer of podcast World. I
Speaker 1: need you up. I need you up at ten am
Speaker 1: for kickoff. I mean, what do we need to do?
Speaker 1: But you then locked up someone I guess from the
Speaker 1: Monday or Tuesday. Right, nice job. See the next I
Speaker 1: should get two game lock. No, no, you should know.
Speaker 1: But let's let's now instead of this all this ridiculous
Speaker 1: things where we have to track you. UM, just lock
Speaker 1: something up right now. But the schedule is so lock it,
Speaker 1: lock team. Am I allowed to lock up the Saints
Speaker 1: over the Eagles. That's just that's just out of the window.
Speaker 1: I'm amazed that that would be one of my that
Speaker 1: would be one of the Rainmaker's lock even with all
Speaker 1: those points that I like the Saints there. You can't
Speaker 1: look in the mirror on that. Well, actually, you know
Speaker 1: what you can. It's up to you to look in
Speaker 1: the mirror if you want to do it. Now. Right,
Speaker 1: that's over. That's over. The number is that I thought
Speaker 1: it was six and a half seven and a half. Right,
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, I'm gonna be ballsy because you
Speaker 1: guys never are. And that's why my schedule is so bad.
Speaker 1: That's why my locks are so back. You just pick
Speaker 1: something that's not like Greg's picking the Box over the Viking,
Speaker 1: like please, I picked the Browns over the Ravens, like
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's wash bro Okay, you should take the Browns too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do it. Okay, I'll take the Browns. I was going
Speaker 1: to do the Giants over the Cardinals. Wait a minute.
Speaker 1: If I'm making the same lock as Ricky, I'm very concerned.
Speaker 1: Do you want me to I'll take the rain You're
Speaker 1: that you're easily persuadable. Giants the Giants was the one
Speaker 1: I debated with very closely, either Giants or bucks Erica.
Speaker 1: The Browns are home. The Browns are nine and three,
Speaker 1: coming off an incredible game where Baker just played out
Speaker 1: of his mind. They're they're ready to make a statement.
Speaker 1: That is the team to lock that feels super manipulates.
Speaker 1: It's a triple it's a triple lock off. I don't
Speaker 1: know if we've ever had that. So that's that's cool
Speaker 1: for that reason alone. That's good. All right, what's your choice?
Speaker 1: Who are you going? I'm going with the Browns? Sorry, yes, no,
Speaker 1: I like it. You're on a street alright, versus the
Speaker 1: thirty second draft. Let's see. That is the difference I
Speaker 1: find in this game. Um, Ricky and Mark lock up
Speaker 1: the Brownies on Monday night. I got the Ravens on
Speaker 1: the other side. Big lockoff. Check out at lock it up?
Speaker 1: What is it? Lat and lock ups on Twitter? Uh
Speaker 1: and and Greg with a nice lock of his own
Speaker 1: this week. So we're gonna track all these on Sunday
Speaker 1: and we'll recap every game we just previewed. Thank you
Speaker 1: to everybody. And remember the television version of this show
Speaker 1: is on NFL Network. It airs Sunday morning or Saturday morning,
Speaker 1: first thing in the morning. I think six am, No,
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Speaker 1: And if you miss that, airing. Check out your local
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Speaker 1: This is Dan Hanson signing off for FID Storm the
Speaker 1: old boss Ricky Hollywood until Sunday. It okay, just feel
Speaker 1: like you know, Taylor, Swift and Ham putting out a
Speaker 1: collab on the new album tonight just be the will.
Speaker 1: That woman is prolific five months since the last one.
Speaker 1: Once you put on an album last year two. But
Speaker 1: the only concern is it it sounds like it might
Speaker 1: be leftovers from the previous session. It's the same writer.
Speaker 1: It's the national guy, That's what I mean. That's a
Speaker 1: little problematically. I've looked at the track list. There's like fourteen.
Speaker 1: Well they see that happens a lot though and sometimes
Speaker 1: and that you always picked the best ones for the
Speaker 1: first But as I've as I've said, maybe not in
Speaker 1: this podcast, but I throw it back a lot. I
Speaker 1: find her to be the Bruce Springsteen of her generation,
Speaker 1: and when Bruce was at his peak, he was so
Speaker 1: prolific that he would have an album and write forty
Speaker 1: tracks for an album and there would be a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff on the cutting and four that was still
Speaker 1: really good. I think she could be you know, she
Speaker 1: could do it. I would not be surprised if this
Speaker 1: is good. Also, if you think about it, fourteen song,
Speaker 1: it's like every year. Is not that that's huge for
Speaker 1: a singer and songwriter. But it's not like it takes
Speaker 1: seven billion years to do that. Oh wow, that's a take. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking like where you I wrote three songs
Speaker 1: this morning. No, it's like you like, we're I I
Speaker 1: think she's the not too, I mean we're we've done it,
Speaker 1: We've done in a band with the girl I hated
Speaker 1: back to Glorado. It's not it's not an anti take
Speaker 1: on her. I think she's the best. But did you
Speaker 1: watch her her live playing it at in the Long
Speaker 1: Pond Studios in New York. Well, I watched the Apple special,
Speaker 1: the Apple Plus Special, which was great. What was that? Oh,
Speaker 1: it's awesome. If you have Apple Plus, check it out.
Speaker 1: It was just the whole the making of that album
Speaker 1: and then the guy from the Nationals in it, and
Speaker 1: that's where I watched. That's what I meant, Disney plus
Speaker 1: yeah thing, Yeah, you gotta watch it all. I got
Speaker 1: to see that. Yeah, I have to. I texted you
Speaker 1: about it, Mark, you you said you're going to watch it.
Speaker 1: I know I'm not. I don't have endless, like endless
Speaker 1: time to do this, like a wheel you have time
Speaker 1: to tweet clips of her playing clean on the piano,
Speaker 1: you know what, Like I realized, like everyone else is
Speaker 1: like the biggest music experts on the planet. I have
Speaker 1: certain songs of hers that I love and like they
Speaker 1: may not be the same ones as everyone else, but
Speaker 1: I love that song. And there's not a single song
Speaker 1: from her that I don't. Nobody was, no one was,
Speaker 1: no one's going after your clean take there clean is
Speaker 1: like the is like amazing, It's great. I think that
Speaker 1: ver like her. That version of it with her is
Speaker 1: super badass. It's a good take, Mark, it's a good take. Good.
Speaker 1: I feel validated. I'm putting this at the end of
Speaker 1: the episode,