Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Skip out water. Before the break, you were telling us
Speaker 2: a story about a remote viewer, Joe mcmonagall, who you
Speaker 2: had coaxed into go ahead and checking out this box
Speaker 2: that's on top of a big tower that sounds like
Speaker 2: it might be leading to a nuclear test of some kind.
Speaker 2: Is that what it is?
Speaker 3: I'm glad that you wanted to finish that story a
Speaker 3: little bit, because I chose to tell you that story. Again,
Speaker 3: this was something tasked by us. We didn't decide to
Speaker 3: go do that. It was given from a task in
Speaker 3: the Pentagon writing to us, we're interested in having you
Speaker 3: look at this particular location. And they didn't know that
Speaker 3: we were using remote viewing to look at this location.
Speaker 3: They were just tasking this organization up a fort met Marilyn.
Speaker 3: And so when I wrote back a report to them,
Speaker 3: I didn't say here's the results of our remote viewing.
Speaker 3: I did not mention that kind of thing to him.
Speaker 3: I just said, our source reported this and this and
Speaker 3: this and this and in this particular case. It was
Speaker 3: very interesting as a fun ending in that when they
Speaker 3: got that report that I sent to them, they immediately
Speaker 3: within two days sent back a letter to us and said,
Speaker 3: you can't do this. You can't do this, this is wrong.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be doing this. And we're like, what is
Speaker 3: he talking about? This is sinwitty information. The abbreviation sinwitty
Speaker 3: means critical nuclear design information, and so how can we
Speaker 3: write to this thing. We don't have a sinwitty clearance,
Speaker 3: We don't have the right to describe the building of
Speaker 3: nuclear weapons. And so they said, you can't do this,
Speaker 3: this is wrong. It should be classified sin witty. And
Speaker 3: we were laughing to ourselves back in our office, saying,
Speaker 3: he doesn't even know what we're doing in terms of
Speaker 3: remote viewing. But our source said this and this about
Speaker 3: your tower, and they said you can't do this, and
Speaker 3: we said, well, we did this. So I just wanted
Speaker 3: to finish the story up as to the fact that
Speaker 3: whatever Joe was describing, they looked at that and said,
Speaker 3: this is a nuclear thing here, and they can't tell
Speaker 3: us about that.
Speaker 2: So they were obviously curious about how the heck you
Speaker 2: guys came up with that information. In the history of
Speaker 2: the remote viewing phenomena and program, a couple of names
Speaker 2: come to mind. Of course, Ingo Swann, who was a
Speaker 2: just a naturally gifted psychic guy who came up with,
Speaker 2: as you said, the CRB, the controlled remote viewing protocols.
Speaker 2: Pat Price, we're going to talk about Joe mcmonagall, the
Speaker 2: name you mentioned before is just superstars of this ability.
Speaker 2: Who was Pat Price? How did he get involved in
Speaker 2: the program and can you lead us toward this amazing
Speaker 2: discovery that he made in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 3: Yes, Pat Price used to be a police officer in Burbank,
Speaker 3: California under to it, and he was mentioning to people
Speaker 3: about his abilities and put off in targ up at
Speaker 3: Stanford Research Institute and invited him to come up there
Speaker 3: and up to Stanford and demonstrate what he's talking about.
Speaker 3: That they said they were studying this phenomenon. This is
Speaker 3: before it was called remote viewing. That's a name that
Speaker 3: was invented by Ingo Swamp. But Pat Price came up
Speaker 3: and so they did some testing on him of you
Speaker 3: know how I'm going to drive out in the car
Speaker 3: and then You'll be asked back in the office here
Speaker 3: to describe where I'm going and so forth. And they
Speaker 3: were really amazed at this. And then because they had
Speaker 3: a CIA contract at that time, a CIA monitor said,
Speaker 3: could you ask him to look at this? And so
Speaker 3: he started getting ideas that the CIA was thinking, how
Speaker 3: do we know what they're really doing at Stanford? Are
Speaker 3: they controlling this correctly? And then showing us something that's
Speaker 3: very interesting here, And so they started asking for Stanford
Speaker 3: to look at places they were interested in and knew
Speaker 3: that there is no way they could know exactly what
Speaker 3: was there. And pat Rice came back and said, oh, yes,
Speaker 3: well I see this here. There's this large building on
Speaker 3: the left and there's an archway over here and everything.
Speaker 3: And they're like, how can they know that? They couldn't
Speaker 3: know that. Well, what's going to happen? Then they hire
Speaker 3: at Price away from Stanford Research Institute and he becomes
Speaker 3: an employ of the CIA at that time.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, so he's in a box for a while.
Speaker 2: Nobody hears from him.
Speaker 3: Well, his life changes, obviously, and he doesn't live down
Speaker 3: in Burbank, California anymore and has a different kind of access,
Speaker 3: and the CIA isn't so hell bent on protocol. You
Speaker 3: have to stay this protocol, which is what Stanford does.
Speaker 3: You are only allowed this and this and this and
Speaker 3: this and the protocol, but when he went to the CIA,
Speaker 3: all they were interested in was the information, So he
Speaker 3: had a different life after that time.
Speaker 2: He just had natural abilities at this stuff, whether he
Speaker 2: followed the protocols or not.
Speaker 3: Yes, And that's an interesting use of the term natural
Speaker 3: abilities because in my job I had to learn how
Speaker 3: to work with people in several different kinds of techniques
Speaker 3: that seemed successful with them, and some used INGOs swans,
Speaker 3: and other people used something that we called an extended
Speaker 3: remote viewing, which was more just sitting down and talking
Speaker 3: to someone without the name remote viewing on it. And
Speaker 3: then when I came across Pat Price, it was a
Speaker 3: very different situation. It sa as though he didn't follow
Speaker 3: the rules of controlled remote viewing. He just told you
Speaker 3: what was there. So it took me a long time
Speaker 3: to get involved and kind of understand what was going on.
Speaker 3: And that's what got me started in this thing with testing.
Speaker 3: This whole situation is what Pat Price told us about
Speaker 3: these UFO bases. Was there any validity to this? Now
Speaker 3: he actually created that and hit that remote viewing and
Speaker 3: handed it to the people at SRI in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 3: It was late when things sort of settled down because
Speaker 3: they were angry with him about doing that. This isn't
Speaker 3: in our protocol. We didn't tell you to do that.
Speaker 3: And here you walk in and hand us these papers.
Speaker 3: Don't you ever do that. We're working for someone else,
Speaker 3: and we had to guarantee we're in these protocols. And
Speaker 3: then put Off kept them on his desk and said,
Speaker 3: go get to work down the hall and pat went
Speaker 3: down to talk to his control for what he was
Speaker 3: going to test under the protocols. And immediately put Off
Speaker 3: got interested in this and because he was reading about
Speaker 3: things that were looked like they could be possible remote viewings.
Speaker 3: And he called a friend of his and said, this
Speaker 3: was about one in Australia, and he said, do you
Speaker 3: know the people down in Australia? Do you know who
Speaker 3: the case officer is down there in Australia And he
Speaker 3: said yeah. He said, would you check out this location is?
Speaker 3: Are they having any interesting things going on there? And
Speaker 3: he said, well, yeah, I could do that for you.
Speaker 3: They're really good friends.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 3: What came back from the information he got from Australia
Speaker 3: was everything is really nice here. We get along really
Speaker 3: good with all of the people here in Australia and
Speaker 3: are very supportive of each other. And there's not a
Speaker 3: whole lot going on, oh except up north there with
Speaker 3: all those UFOs all the time. So that's when how
Speaker 3: in the office as well, that's very interesting. We'll have
Speaker 3: to get together again have a beer soon. Okay, let's
Speaker 3: do that. But in Pat Price, I'm sorry. Then he
Speaker 3: looked down again at these transcripts that Pat had provided
Speaker 3: and said, you know, there might be something to this,
Speaker 3: but he didn't, you know, because he was under the
Speaker 3: control of CIA. He didn't want to tell Pat Price
Speaker 3: later you know, this is really good stuff. He just
Speaker 3: kept it to himself.
Speaker 2: So Pat Price stood on to me. Pat Price, in
Speaker 2: essence takes it on himself. He's is he looking for UFOs?
Speaker 2: Is he looking for aliens? Or he just kind of
Speaker 2: casts a wide net and that's what comes back. Do
Speaker 2: you know what. He didn't follow protocols, He didn't have
Speaker 2: an assigned coordinate or target. But he on his own
Speaker 2: looks around, uses his abilities and comes back and says,
Speaker 2: there are four underground bases alien bases, and here's where
Speaker 2: they are.
Speaker 3: Right. Yes, it was his idea to do that, but
Speaker 3: he he was a free wheeling guy. He did what
Speaker 3: he wanted to do. You know, he didn't have to
Speaker 3: have somebody tell him whether or not he should go
Speaker 3: do this. Now he would in his life, and you know,
Speaker 3: back when he was a policeman and so forth and
Speaker 3: so on, it was like, we don't know because we
Speaker 3: didn't know him then. But it would seem like your
Speaker 3: assumption there is correct. He just went and did stuff
Speaker 3: because he could do that, and then everybody looked at
Speaker 3: him and said, well, you can't do that because we
Speaker 3: didn't tell you to do it. And so it's an
Speaker 3: interesting world of all the people that dealt with that
Speaker 3: price over that time.
Speaker 2: Was he amazed by those findings? Was he spooked by it?
Speaker 3: Do you know? I don't know an answer to that.
Speaker 3: From being around this whole situation a while, he wasn't
Speaker 3: amazed by it. He was just often going and look
Speaker 3: at it. Another thing. Later he talked about things that
Speaker 3: were he talked about them differently, not like a remote
Speaker 3: viewer would say, well it's this, and it was this,
Speaker 3: and you could ask him a question about this, and
Speaker 3: it was about this, and he was very different. He
Speaker 3: was I came to believe that his operational method or
Speaker 3: technique was very different than others.
Speaker 2: Well, basically what he found was he came up with
Speaker 2: four different locations with these base where there's a mountain
Speaker 2: in the Purdes where he said it was a base
Speaker 2: built into this mountain and it was the main base.
Speaker 2: There was one as you mentioned in Australia, there was
Speaker 2: one in Alaska. And then where's the fourth one. Well,
Speaker 2: let's see you Well, there's total of four of us.
Speaker 2: He comes up with four locations and he says these
Speaker 2: are alien bases. These are tall, skinny beings that are
Speaker 2: there and somebody else built them.
Speaker 3: We didn't.
Speaker 2: And then years later, I don't know how many years later,
Speaker 2: Project eighty two hundred is launched by you. You decide, well,
Speaker 2: let's use our remote viewers and test this out and
Speaker 2: see if it's if they come up with the same results.
Speaker 3: Right. Yes, there's Mountain Sea on Australia, Mount Hayes and Alaska,
Speaker 3: Mount Berdido in Spain, and Mount Indyangani in Zimbabwe which
Speaker 3: is a landlocked world. Yes, the wind time window here
Speaker 3: is interesting because here we sit in twenty twenty four
Speaker 3: endpat Price, it is thing fifty years ago and so
Speaker 3: time passed and I was given those transcripts by put
Speaker 3: Off to use to develop a protocol. Or what we
Speaker 3: did was challenge targets. This wasn't something tasked by the Pentagon,
Speaker 3: but it was something that I did as the training
Speaker 3: officer to do testing on how good can how good
Speaker 3: can this thing be? This remote viewing thing, and so
Speaker 3: I had it. Let me explain this a little more clearly.
Speaker 3: In any military unit, you're either doing something called fighting
Speaker 3: and you're deployed in some sort of a situation. When
Speaker 3: your military unit is not in that situation, they are
Speaker 3: training and they're practicing and doing. What you do is
Speaker 3: whatever military situation you were in. So at Stargate, we
Speaker 3: were doing the same thing. If we didn't have a
Speaker 3: particular task to do that day, we did training targets,
Speaker 3: challenge targets, I called them. So this became a challenge target.
Speaker 3: This project eighty two hundred. So I did Project eighty
Speaker 3: two hundred forty years ago, which is ten years after
Speaker 3: the time that Price had done it.
Speaker 1: So walk me through this.
Speaker 2: So pat Price comes up with these four bases. Years later,
Speaker 2: you decide you're going to have your guys test out
Speaker 2: their methods and see what they come up with the
Speaker 2: first guy, or at least the first guy you mentioned
Speaker 2: in your book Project eighty two hundred is Joe mcmonagall,
Speaker 2: who was a superstar, right, he was one of your best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe was very good and she didn't do Ingo
Speaker 3: Swans style of remote viewing. He did something called extended
Speaker 3: remote viewing and he was absolutely I'm done. You know,
Speaker 3: well over one hundred remote viewings in the Army with
Speaker 3: him before he retired, So he was very good remote viewer.
Speaker 2: You have the original notes of when he goes through
Speaker 2: multiple sessions, and it sure sounds like what he came
Speaker 2: up with in these sessions exactly duplicates what Pat Price found.
Speaker 2: Am I wrong?
Speaker 3: No, there's I probably wouldn't because I'm very cautious about
Speaker 3: these things. I probably wouldn't say exactly the same. I
Speaker 3: would say something soft like, you know, that looks very interesting,
Speaker 3: very similar to what Pat Price was saying. And of
Speaker 3: course the whole purpose of this was to look at
Speaker 3: the situation. Is there any way to validate validate what
Speaker 3: Pat Price was telling us in nineteen seventy three. Well,
Speaker 3: the challenge project that I was doing, Challenge targeting, was
Speaker 3: to use our people and attempt to Verifa. If they
Speaker 3: came up with nothing, all the people that did this,
Speaker 3: if they came up with nothing at all, we could say, well,
Speaker 3: that was an interesting story that Fat Price had there.
Speaker 3: He is just so a wildcat. We're never going to
Speaker 3: know in any way. And yet I come back with
Speaker 3: these other people that have tried to do this, Joe
Speaker 3: and several others on the Ingo Swan technique, and you're right,
Speaker 3: they're very similar, certainly the shadow of similarity, all right,
Speaker 3: Price thing.
Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
Speaker 1: one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam
Speaker 1: dot com for more