WEBVTT - Disordered Eating and Disconnection From Your Body are Solvable Problems 0:00:15.076 --> 0:00:24.516 Pushkin, this is solvable. I'm Ronald Young junior. If your 0:00:24.556 --> 0:00:27.596 goal is health, but your body doesn't change, If your 0:00:27.636 --> 0:00:31.956 body size does not change, or even worse in your mind, 0:00:32.276 --> 0:00:34.876 your body size gets bigger, well, you still want to 0:00:34.876 --> 0:00:38.636 pursue health. Is that enough for you? The COVID nineteen 0:00:38.676 --> 0:00:41.196 pandemic has forced many of us to consider our health 0:00:41.356 --> 0:00:44.916 in new ways, from reporting on our physical vulnerabilities and 0:00:44.996 --> 0:00:49.316 examinations of pre existing conditions to the stories highlighting mental 0:00:49.316 --> 0:00:53.316 health and our loss of human connections. Just what health 0:00:53.636 --> 0:00:57.476 is can be complicated to define. In the United States, 0:00:57.516 --> 0:01:00.676 there's an often repeated idea that body size and overall 0:01:00.756 --> 0:01:06.636 health are linked. That oversimplification can be problematic. Seventy nine 0:01:06.636 --> 0:01:10.436 percent of weight loss program participants report coping with weight 0:01:10.556 --> 0:01:14.396 stigma by eating more food. And eating disorders have the 0:01:14.476 --> 0:01:18.556 second highest mortality rate of all mental health disorders, surpassed 0:01:18.596 --> 0:01:22.236 only by opioid addiction. That's according to the National Eating 0:01:22.236 --> 0:01:26.516 Disorders Association. For me, I based my health on my 0:01:26.596 --> 0:01:29.836 blood work, on my consistency with going to the doctor. 0:01:30.356 --> 0:01:32.436 For me, it's how much of sleep am I getting? 0:01:32.476 --> 0:01:35.556 How much connection am I getting in my relationships, rather 0:01:35.676 --> 0:01:37.996 than am I eating enough fruits and vegetables, and am 0:01:37.996 --> 0:01:41.596 I exercising Precampos used to work in an eating disorder clinic. 0:01:41.956 --> 0:01:44.516 She worked to help her young female clients to restore 0:01:44.516 --> 0:01:46.916 their weight, but she wanted to spend even more time 0:01:46.996 --> 0:01:50.996 helping them to redefine their relationships with food and their bodies. 0:01:51.436 --> 0:01:55.436 I think it scares the American public. We live in 0:01:55.636 --> 0:01:59.436 constant disarray with our relationship with food, and it's actually 0:01:59.436 --> 0:02:03.556 to a point of bonding. Like we often connect around 0:02:04.236 --> 0:02:07.036 feeling bad about our bodies or feeling bad about food 0:02:07.116 --> 0:02:10.636 or oh, i'm a I'm cheating today, I'm off today. 0:02:10.756 --> 0:02:14.236 Campos is a licensed mental health counselor and body image coach. 0:02:14.836 --> 0:02:17.676 She operates from the premise that health at every size 0:02:17.836 --> 0:02:20.996 is achievable. The Health at Every Size framework has been 0:02:21.036 --> 0:02:25.876 shown to improve cardio respiratory fitness and reduce psychological distress 0:02:26.036 --> 0:02:30.516 and clinically obese people. It deemphasizes weight in favor of 0:02:30.516 --> 0:02:35.196 a focus on overall health. Disordered eating and disconnection from 0:02:35.196 --> 0:02:41.796 your body are solvable problems. Health at every size at 0:02:41.836 --> 0:02:46.396 its core, is the idea that, regardless of our body size, 0:02:46.516 --> 0:02:51.756 we have the right to pursue health and I don't 0:02:51.756 --> 0:02:55.356 deal with people's food, but their relationship to food and 0:02:55.436 --> 0:02:57.796 to their body. Talk to me a little bit about 0:02:57.796 --> 0:03:01.156 your journey to becoming a body image coach. I got 0:03:01.236 --> 0:03:06.036 into the work because I lived it, lived life in 0:03:06.076 --> 0:03:10.636 a larger body, and my health was always assumed and 0:03:10.876 --> 0:03:16.076 it impacted not only my relationship with my food, but 0:03:16.196 --> 0:03:18.236 with my body as well. What do you mean when 0:03:18.276 --> 0:03:21.916 you say people assumed your health? So my entire life, 0:03:22.036 --> 0:03:24.756 I was made to feel like your body size is 0:03:24.796 --> 0:03:29.116 a problem, and specifically doctors and family members. I did 0:03:29.196 --> 0:03:32.556 not struggle with an eating disorder in the same way 0:03:32.956 --> 0:03:34.836 that the girls that I worked with, but I definitely 0:03:34.876 --> 0:03:40.396 struggled with disorder eating because we pushed this singular idea 0:03:40.476 --> 0:03:43.796 of what beauty is supposed to be. And so not 0:03:43.916 --> 0:03:47.676 only did I see myself as larger, I also saw 0:03:47.716 --> 0:03:51.996 it as something that was disqualifying. That I would not 0:03:52.156 --> 0:03:54.836 be as successful in my career, that I would not 0:03:54.916 --> 0:03:58.916 be accepted, that I would not find a romantic partner 0:03:59.236 --> 0:04:02.556 that doesn't even align with my values. I believe in 0:04:03.596 --> 0:04:06.836 not judging quote unquote a book by its cover, So 0:04:06.956 --> 0:04:09.356 why am I putting that standard on myself? In the 0:04:09.876 --> 0:04:13.076 last year I've lost a lot of weight, and I 0:04:13.116 --> 0:04:15.316 think one thing I've noticed is like there are for me, 0:04:15.396 --> 0:04:17.316 I can tell you that there's concrete things that have 0:04:17.436 --> 0:04:20.676 changed about my own body and my own health that 0:04:20.756 --> 0:04:23.596 are tangible that I can see, whether it's like not 0:04:23.636 --> 0:04:25.956 being out of breath, whatever, all those things that are 0:04:25.996 --> 0:04:30.116 connected to being in a smaller body. Absolutely, With all 0:04:30.116 --> 0:04:32.876 of that being said, what do you think is the 0:04:32.916 --> 0:04:38.836 disconnect between actually getting people to be healthy, like just healthy, 0:04:39.076 --> 0:04:43.036 size agnostic, just healthy? What are we lossing here? Health? 0:04:43.036 --> 0:04:47.276 And every size approach is not anti weight loss. It 0:04:47.436 --> 0:04:53.396 is anti intentional weight loss through restrictive measures because we 0:04:53.516 --> 0:04:56.276 don't know what our body's going to do. So for me, 0:04:56.436 --> 0:05:01.316 in my recovery, my body got bigger, and every time 0:05:01.356 --> 0:05:05.676 I lost weight, my mental health decreased significantly, and so 0:05:05.756 --> 0:05:08.716 that wasn't even being considered. And so I think that 0:05:08.756 --> 0:05:12.676 if we were to pursue health outcomes regardless of how 0:05:12.756 --> 0:05:16.396 our body changes, if we were to trust our bodies 0:05:16.836 --> 0:05:18.556 to do what they need to do, just like we 0:05:18.556 --> 0:05:20.556 trust them to go to the bathroom, just like we 0:05:20.596 --> 0:05:24.316 trust ourselves to fall asleep, that's how we would be 0:05:24.356 --> 0:05:28.596 able to measure and see health outcomes change people of color. 0:05:29.356 --> 0:05:32.076 They're suffering from body image issues and eating disorders at 0:05:32.076 --> 0:05:35.196 the same rate as white folks, but they're far less 0:05:35.236 --> 0:05:39.196 likely to receive a professional diagnosis or treatment. Is health 0:05:39.236 --> 0:05:42.316 at every size and weight inclusivity founded with a particular 0:05:42.396 --> 0:05:45.316 race or culture in mind? You know what? That is 0:05:45.316 --> 0:05:49.636 an incredible question, And I don't even know if I 0:05:49.676 --> 0:05:53.356 have an answer. It was probably written for what most 0:05:53.716 --> 0:05:59.516 things are written for, right, so the most accessible white female. 0:06:00.036 --> 0:06:06.756 And now people are arguing that body positivity health at 0:06:06.756 --> 0:06:10.716 every size should be a social justice issue. It is 0:06:11.196 --> 0:06:15.076 a social justice issue, because if we're talking about accessibility, 0:06:15.636 --> 0:06:20.396 if we're talking about who has the ability to get 0:06:21.116 --> 0:06:26.156 mental health care, never mind eating disorder treatment, then how 0:06:26.196 --> 0:06:30.116 can we even begin to cover? You know, these issues? 0:06:30.556 --> 0:06:32.756 I worked a neating disorder center. We didn't even talk 0:06:32.756 --> 0:06:36.836 about fat phobia, never mind talking about racism or the 0:06:36.876 --> 0:06:40.916 Patrick artchyme. And so I think that there's a deep 0:06:41.116 --> 0:06:44.356 need on the macro level. And sometimes if I go 0:06:44.476 --> 0:06:47.036 down the rabbit hole too far, I'm like, oh my god, 0:06:47.076 --> 0:06:51.316 what's the point, Like we're screwed. And so that's why 0:06:51.356 --> 0:06:53.916 I am like, I see it and I know it, 0:06:53.916 --> 0:06:57.236 and I hold importance for it now. According to the 0:06:57.276 --> 0:06:59.836 American Journal of Public Health Health that every size has 0:06:59.836 --> 0:07:02.076 been shown to work on the individual level, but the 0:07:02.116 --> 0:07:05.676 studies authors didn't endorse it as a public health measure. 0:07:06.196 --> 0:07:07.876 What do you think the hold up is? Have you 0:07:07.916 --> 0:07:10.836 been like following the research or have your class but 0:07:10.916 --> 0:07:13.236 a part of any of the recent studies. Here's the 0:07:13.316 --> 0:07:17.396 thing is, nobody wants to fund that. The diet industry 0:07:17.796 --> 0:07:22.516 is a seventy two billion dollar industry that profits on 0:07:22.556 --> 0:07:27.516 the belief that dieting will help our health. So I 0:07:27.596 --> 0:07:32.716 would love for people to invest to measure at that level. 0:07:32.996 --> 0:07:36.636 It can health at every size help Nobody benefits except 0:07:36.716 --> 0:07:40.796 the consumer. Except us, We benefit from that. Don't you 0:07:40.836 --> 0:07:43.676 think that the food companies and the people that make 0:07:43.716 --> 0:07:46.396 food at whatever it is, this would be something that 0:07:46.436 --> 0:07:48.476 they could get behind where it's like, you know what 0:07:48.516 --> 0:07:51.076 I mean, because if we're talking like not diet culture anymore, 0:07:51.316 --> 0:07:53.396 they were just being like, put butter on it. What 0:07:53.436 --> 0:07:55.636 are we doing here? You know what I mean? Like 0:07:55.676 --> 0:07:57.956 it seems like there'd be more money from a different place. 0:07:58.116 --> 0:08:00.276 There are so many people who can get behind it. 0:08:00.636 --> 0:08:03.556 One of the things that people crap on is like 0:08:03.556 --> 0:08:06.796 I can't gain weight because then I can't fit in seats. 0:08:06.836 --> 0:08:11.116 I can't you know, buy clothes. And I'm like, there's 0:08:11.156 --> 0:08:15.036 a huge industry here for companies to be like, all right, 0:08:15.076 --> 0:08:17.756 we can make it. We caught it for you, So 0:08:17.796 --> 0:08:20.996 why don't people? Because I think it scares the American public. 0:08:21.436 --> 0:08:26.556 We live in constant disarray with our relationship with food, 0:08:26.556 --> 0:08:29.756 and it's actually to a point of bonding. Like if 0:08:29.836 --> 0:08:33.236 you can pull yourself back and you look at how 0:08:33.276 --> 0:08:37.436 we connect. We often connect around feeling bad about our 0:08:37.436 --> 0:08:40.116 bodies or feeling bad about food or oh, I'm on it, 0:08:40.316 --> 0:08:43.556 I'm cheating today, I'm off. Once I was able to 0:08:43.556 --> 0:08:47.276 step outside of that, then I see like, oh man, 0:08:47.476 --> 0:08:49.796 like what I was doing there was It was a 0:08:49.836 --> 0:08:53.716 bid for connection. I just I wanted to belong and 0:08:53.756 --> 0:08:57.116 I was so fearful that my body size or my 0:08:57.276 --> 0:09:00.396 food freedom was going to be the thing that exiled me. 0:09:00.716 --> 0:09:03.076 Am I still afraid of that? Now? Sure? Am I 0:09:03.156 --> 0:09:06.556 probably going to get flat back for this episode? Absolutely? 0:09:06.596 --> 0:09:09.076 Are people going to say that I'm justifying my body 0:09:09.236 --> 0:09:13.436 size by taking this position? Absolutely? Does that change my position? 0:09:14.356 --> 0:09:18.236 Not at all? So where do you think the idealization 0:09:18.356 --> 0:09:22.396 of Thinness comes from and what do you do to 0:09:22.436 --> 0:09:25.796 push back. I'm giving your listeners lots of reading to do. 0:09:26.596 --> 0:09:29.236 There is a book called The Beauty Myth written by 0:09:29.316 --> 0:09:34.116 Naomi Wolf, and she talks about how the beauty myth 0:09:34.156 --> 0:09:37.916 and the thin ideal has actually been carried with us 0:09:38.156 --> 0:09:43.556 through generations. That's rooted in racism, It's rooted in the patriarchy, 0:09:43.596 --> 0:09:46.796 that there is an ideal body size Sabrina Strings book 0:09:47.316 --> 0:09:51.556 Fearing the Black Body. Somebody profits off of their being 0:09:51.596 --> 0:09:56.476 an ideal and it's making it a desirability. And so 0:09:56.716 --> 0:10:00.196 the average female woman in the United States wears a 0:10:00.316 --> 0:10:03.956 size sixteen. And so how I push back from that 0:10:04.596 --> 0:10:08.036 is one acknowledging what are my values and what are 0:10:08.076 --> 0:10:11.436 society's values. I was told by people, you're not going 0:10:11.476 --> 0:10:13.636 to be able to find a boyfriend if you don't 0:10:13.676 --> 0:10:17.156 lose weight, and I was able to recognize that's not true. 0:10:17.396 --> 0:10:19.836 I have friends and larger bodies who get married. I 0:10:19.916 --> 0:10:24.236 have friends and larger bodies who are having intimacy and 0:10:24.676 --> 0:10:27.436 are able to connect with their body with other people. 0:10:27.996 --> 0:10:31.556 So why is that message true for me? And I 0:10:31.676 --> 0:10:35.116 had to unlearn that message, and so my reframe is 0:10:35.956 --> 0:10:40.076 I am not for everyone, and I am deeply loved. 0:10:40.796 --> 0:10:42.716 That's where progress is made. I say this thing to 0:10:42.796 --> 0:10:46.436 my clients. Would you if you could pursue health if 0:10:46.476 --> 0:10:49.436 your goal is is health, but your body doesn't change. 0:10:49.436 --> 0:10:52.956 If your body does, size does not change, or even 0:10:53.036 --> 0:10:56.316 worse in your mind, your body says gets bigger. Well, 0:10:56.356 --> 0:10:58.956 you still want to pursue health. Is that enough for you? 0:11:00.116 --> 0:11:03.596 That's a good question. I noticed that the health of 0:11:03.676 --> 0:11:06.036 every size movement doesn't have a lot of data about 0:11:06.156 --> 0:11:09.916 successful outcomes with heavier groups. You think that there's any 0:11:09.916 --> 0:11:14.476 limitations to the health at every size approach? Again, I 0:11:14.516 --> 0:11:17.276 think that we would love to do more studies, but 0:11:17.316 --> 0:11:19.756 we need to have studies funded. I know, so, I 0:11:20.476 --> 0:11:21.796 know it's a little bit of a what about ism 0:11:21.836 --> 0:11:24.956 because I'm going in the opposite direction. But how long 0:11:25.756 --> 0:11:29.676 do we see weight loss successful? For the most that 0:11:29.756 --> 0:11:32.996 we have is about five years for five percent of 0:11:32.996 --> 0:11:37.636 the people we have sustained results, which means for ninety 0:11:37.676 --> 0:11:41.356 five percent of the public, we're going to end up 0:11:41.396 --> 0:11:43.836 back in the same place that we started, or heavier, 0:11:44.276 --> 0:11:47.636 and they're not giving you long lasting studies that are 0:11:47.676 --> 0:11:58.116 effective in changing health outcomes. Brie. A few weeks ago, 0:11:58.156 --> 0:12:01.396 we talked with Michael Moss. He's an investigative journalist. We 0:12:01.516 --> 0:12:05.796 talked about the exploitative nature of food companies. He believes 0:12:05.836 --> 0:12:10.316 that the food industry's product development actually contribute to food addiction. 0:12:10.916 --> 0:12:13.476 I will tell you off the back, from my clinical perspective, 0:12:13.836 --> 0:12:16.636 I do not believe that people can be addicted to 0:12:16.876 --> 0:12:21.996 things that we need. And rather, I believe that restriction 0:12:22.756 --> 0:12:26.436 causes binging. That it's sort of like this pendulum, and 0:12:26.436 --> 0:12:30.596 this pendulum is pulled and so then once there's freedom, 0:12:30.716 --> 0:12:34.636 we swing in the opposite direction. Now, the first guideline 0:12:34.716 --> 0:12:38.396 of intuitive eating is to reject the diet mentality, the 0:12:38.436 --> 0:12:41.436 notion that there are good foods and bad foods, and 0:12:41.476 --> 0:12:45.916 to allow ourselves to have permission to eat all foods. 0:12:46.676 --> 0:12:48.596 And when I say this to people, and when I 0:12:48.636 --> 0:12:52.116 share this with clients, there's a lot of pushback. There's like, no, 0:12:52.236 --> 0:12:54.356 but if I if I'm allowed to eat this, I'm 0:12:54.356 --> 0:12:57.236 never going to stop eating it. And I have felt 0:12:57.276 --> 0:13:00.276 that myself, and I can tell you I am in 0:13:00.556 --> 0:13:04.156 the largest body that I've ever existed in, and I 0:13:04.276 --> 0:13:08.556 have the best relationship with food because I was able 0:13:08.596 --> 0:13:12.316 to set rate out those food rules. And now when 0:13:12.436 --> 0:13:16.076 I eat said food. It is out of desire and 0:13:16.196 --> 0:13:19.476 not out of restriction. So I think one of the 0:13:19.516 --> 0:13:22.836 things that is noted in that episode is we're born 0:13:22.916 --> 0:13:24.716 being addicted to the thing that we need, which is 0:13:24.756 --> 0:13:27.116 food and water. Do you think that still falls in 0:13:27.196 --> 0:13:28.676 line with what you're saying or does that fall in 0:13:28.716 --> 0:13:31.276 opposition of what you're saying. I think what we're arguing 0:13:31.276 --> 0:13:34.196 here is the nuance of addiction. And one of my 0:13:34.316 --> 0:13:38.876 favorite authors on addiction is Johan Harry, and he talks 0:13:38.916 --> 0:13:43.036 about addiction with the rat in a cage with cocaine 0:13:43.036 --> 0:13:46.716 water and regular water. The rat would go towards the 0:13:46.716 --> 0:13:52.756 cocaine water. But Johan Harry had followed another study that said, well, 0:13:52.796 --> 0:13:56.036 if you're just putting that in front of the rat, 0:13:56.516 --> 0:13:58.396 of course he's going to go to it. But what 0:13:58.516 --> 0:14:01.276 if you put the rat in an environment where he 0:14:01.356 --> 0:14:03.476 had friends and he had things to do, and they 0:14:03.516 --> 0:14:06.436 called it rat park and you put it out of 0:14:06.556 --> 0:14:10.396 the way, would the rat bs life to go towards 0:14:10.436 --> 0:14:12.476 the thing that it feels addicted to. And what they 0:14:12.516 --> 0:14:15.116 found in their research was no. And so what Johan 0:14:15.196 --> 0:14:17.996 Harry says about addiction is that the opposite of addiction 0:14:18.276 --> 0:14:24.156 is not sobriety that it is connection. Yes. Do people 0:14:24.196 --> 0:14:27.716 maybe use food as a coping skill, yes, but why 0:14:27.716 --> 0:14:29.996 do we demonize that if that is all you have 0:14:30.116 --> 0:14:33.076 access to? How do you define health? If you only 0:14:33.116 --> 0:14:37.996 define health based on body size, then sure I'm not healthy. 0:14:38.116 --> 0:14:40.836 For me, I base my health on my blood work, 0:14:41.356 --> 0:14:43.996 on my consistency with going to the doctor as a 0:14:44.236 --> 0:14:46.476 fat person, and I use fat in a reclaimed way. 0:14:47.196 --> 0:14:49.836 I get a lot of pushback from doctors who are 0:14:49.876 --> 0:14:52.276 not in line with this health that every size paradigm. 0:14:52.356 --> 0:14:54.356 For me, it's how much of sleep am I getting? 0:14:54.436 --> 0:14:57.436 How much connection am I getting in my relationships? What 0:14:57.516 --> 0:15:01.156 does my mental health look like? It is a true 0:15:01.476 --> 0:15:06.276 holistic approach rather than am I eating enough fruits and vegetables? 0:15:06.356 --> 0:15:08.636 And am I exercising? And there's another book that I 0:15:08.676 --> 0:15:11.956 have erect ammend people read. Lindo Bacon and Lucy Affermore 0:15:11.996 --> 0:15:14.556 wrote a book they wrote, Health at Every Size, But 0:15:14.556 --> 0:15:17.956 then they also wrote a follow up book called Body Respect. 0:15:18.596 --> 0:15:22.076 It says that food and exercise only make up thirty 0:15:22.116 --> 0:15:28.236 percent of health, that health is impacted majoritatively by accessibility, 0:15:28.516 --> 0:15:31.836 and so we can't even get into the nuances of 0:15:32.556 --> 0:15:36.156 what these big companies are doing. While yes, that is 0:15:36.196 --> 0:15:39.636 important if we can shift our relationship to said food, 0:15:40.836 --> 0:15:42.756 it's that we will trust our bodies to do what 0:15:42.796 --> 0:15:46.516 they need to do. I don't need any program to 0:15:46.636 --> 0:15:48.156 tell me how many times I need to go to 0:15:48.196 --> 0:15:50.516 the bathroom. I trust my body to do that. It's 0:15:50.516 --> 0:15:54.236 a natural reaction. Everybody was freaking out this year that 0:15:54.316 --> 0:15:56.276 they gained weight, and I'm like, if we were to 0:15:56.276 --> 0:16:00.276 think about this in you know, the cavemen times, if 0:16:00.316 --> 0:16:03.996 they were sheltered in and they were stuck in, they 0:16:03.996 --> 0:16:07.436 would be grateful that their body sustained weight as a 0:16:07.476 --> 0:16:11.036 survivability mechanism. So I think we might be differing on 0:16:11.076 --> 0:16:14.436 the word of addiction. I think it has a negative connotation, 0:16:14.876 --> 0:16:18.676 but I truly believe in giving the power back to 0:16:19.036 --> 0:16:22.996 the consumer, to the person that without feeling guilt, I 0:16:23.076 --> 0:16:25.356 can buy these foods that I have been told I'm 0:16:25.396 --> 0:16:28.116 not allowed to and they don't have to control or 0:16:28.116 --> 0:16:37.716 consume your life. Brie, I read that in your practice 0:16:37.756 --> 0:16:41.396 you explore something called body grief with your clients. Tell 0:16:41.396 --> 0:16:46.716 me more about that. Yes, when I was in the 0:16:46.756 --> 0:16:50.676 thick of my body image journey, and I realized that 0:16:50.996 --> 0:16:54.316 because of some of the health complications that I have, 0:16:54.916 --> 0:16:58.796 which are hormonal and autoimmune, that the likelihood that my 0:16:58.876 --> 0:17:02.756 body will ever change or be small, the fact that 0:17:02.796 --> 0:17:06.276 I will never be able to attain that ladder. I 0:17:06.476 --> 0:17:11.276 had to explore the death of what that grief meant 0:17:11.436 --> 0:17:14.276 or said to me. I had to learn how to 0:17:14.436 --> 0:17:19.116 belong to myself, and in that I had to say 0:17:19.236 --> 0:17:23.076 goodbye to things that I wasn't going to get. So 0:17:23.476 --> 0:17:26.676 I would never get the praise and adoration from my 0:17:26.796 --> 0:17:30.796 family around being in a smaller body. I would never 0:17:31.156 --> 0:17:34.756 be seen to society as a success story. In allowing 0:17:34.796 --> 0:17:39.636 myself to go to those dark places with grief, sharing 0:17:39.676 --> 0:17:42.516 with other people and realizing I'm not the only one 0:17:42.556 --> 0:17:47.156 who feels this way, it lifted that burden of being 0:17:47.196 --> 0:17:50.396 alone in my body image. And Elizabeth Cooper Ross actually 0:17:50.396 --> 0:17:54.116 wrote the stages of grief. They're originally the stages of death, 0:17:54.156 --> 0:18:00.636 and we're familiar with them. And it is denial, anger, bargaining, depression, 0:18:01.236 --> 0:18:07.556 and then acceptance. An acceptance is not yeay, death, yea hey, 0:18:07.596 --> 0:18:10.716 I let to live in a bad image. That's never 0:18:10.756 --> 0:18:17.036 what acceptance was. Right. Acceptance was I am here, I'm 0:18:17.076 --> 0:18:25.876 glad I got you said, and I think that there's 0:18:25.916 --> 0:18:29.996 this misconception that acceptance is going to be like, yeay, 0:18:30.036 --> 0:18:32.116 I love my fat body. And here's what I'll tell 0:18:32.156 --> 0:18:36.636 you that my body acceptance does not mean that I 0:18:36.716 --> 0:18:39.236 love all the parts of my body. It's not like 0:18:39.316 --> 0:18:42.556 I have some acne over here. I'm not excited about it. 0:18:42.596 --> 0:18:46.756 I don't love it, but it no longer hold narrative 0:18:48.196 --> 0:18:53.316 that I am less then, and that is acceptance, That 0:18:53.476 --> 0:19:04.436 is body acceptance. What can our listeners do to support 0:19:04.476 --> 0:19:06.916 the help that Every Size movement, to learn more about it, 0:19:06.956 --> 0:19:10.476 to help promote a more weight neutral approach to health 0:19:10.676 --> 0:19:14.156 for themselves and among their friends. I love the idea 0:19:14.236 --> 0:19:19.116 of weight neutrality right because of being weight inclusive feels 0:19:19.356 --> 0:19:22.356 very hard at times, so of if we can just 0:19:22.596 --> 0:19:25.876 begin to be neutral towards it. The thing that you 0:19:25.916 --> 0:19:30.316 can do is begin to explore your own relationship with 0:19:30.396 --> 0:19:34.876 your body and with your relationship with food, and begin 0:19:35.036 --> 0:19:39.316 to unravel where did this come from? Where did this 0:19:39.356 --> 0:19:43.756 belief system exist? I recommend reading Sonya Renee Taylor's book. 0:19:43.756 --> 0:19:47.676 I recommend reading Sabrina String's book. I recommend reading The 0:19:47.716 --> 0:19:51.436 Beauty Myth by Naomi Wolf Health at Every Size and 0:19:51.876 --> 0:19:56.356 Body respect and anti diet. I recommend getting into the 0:19:56.396 --> 0:20:01.916 literature and understanding. So we're deprogramming from diet culture like 0:20:02.116 --> 0:20:07.636 deprogramming from a cult on the macro level. That is 0:20:07.676 --> 0:20:13.396 a great question. My thought is, I don't know, so 0:20:13.476 --> 0:20:17.556 I just keep showing up and talking and hopefully people 0:20:17.596 --> 0:20:21.876 like yourself will listen. Thank you so much for briting 0:20:21.916 --> 0:20:23.956 with us, Brie, Thank you for having me. This has 0:20:23.996 --> 0:20:30.356 been such an honor. Brecamp Posts is a body image 0:20:30.396 --> 0:20:33.116 coach and mental health counselor based in New Jersey. Be 0:20:33.196 --> 0:20:34.996 sure to check out our show notes for links to 0:20:35.116 --> 0:20:40.156 all the books that Bree mentioned in this episode. Solvable Listeners, 0:20:40.316 --> 0:20:43.276 It's summer and we're gonna take a two week break 0:20:43.316 --> 0:20:46.796 to enjoy it. 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