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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the singer David Anthony Burke

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Speaker 1: known as David. It looks like D four VD has

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Speaker 1: fled his twenty thousand dollars a month home, breaking a

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Speaker 1: very expensive lease. Why why run out and flee your

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Speaker 1: about what forensic evidence is found in the home or

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Speaker 1: does it hold bad memories? This as a blood soaked

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Speaker 1: video emerges after a teen girl just thirteen years old,

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Speaker 1: when she goes missing, Celeste, is found dead in the

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Speaker 1: trunk of his Tesla LAPD. Why no arrest? I needs

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Speaker 1: he This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. You can smell the truck as

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Speaker 1: you approached the tesla. How can somebody put a then

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Speaker 1: thirteen year old little girl in a truck and leave

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Speaker 1: the car there for weeks on? And an integral part

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Speaker 1: of any homicide investigation is a time line. It's critical

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Speaker 1: based on a timeline, you can alibi people, you can

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Speaker 1: unalibi other people that you're looking at as a suspect.

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Speaker 1: It changes everything. And in the last hours, a video

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Speaker 1: has emerged potentially placing this little girl just thirteen years

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Speaker 1: old when she goes missing at a David d four

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Speaker 1: Dave mack joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave mac win.

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Speaker 1: Was Celeste's body found in David Burke's Tesla Trump. She

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Speaker 1: was found on September the eighth, and it had been

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Speaker 1: sitting out on the street in posh Hollywood Hills for

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Speaker 1: weeks that we know of. So that gives me a timeline.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting at. And this will be very

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Speaker 1: significant when we have doctor Kendall Crown's right now medical

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Speaker 1: examiner explain the degree of dcomp in this little girl's body.

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Speaker 1: So if she is alive, if this is in fact

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Speaker 1: her in the video August twenty four, and then we've

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Speaker 1: got September seven, that gives me a timeline. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a look at the video right now. This video has

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Speaker 1: been circulating video from at clips of David on TikTok. Now,

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Speaker 1: isn't it true? Melissa McCarty joining me, I investigative reporter,

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Speaker 1: host of the Killer Jeans podcast, author of the Making

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Speaker 1: of a Crime Reporter. Melissa, Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that Celeste's body was found in a

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Speaker 1: black tube top and ripped jeans. Isn't that true, Melissa?

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Speaker 2: She was about seventy five miles away from where she

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Speaker 2: was living with her family in Lake Elsinoor in the

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to come back to you on that, Melissa,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think she was living with her family anymore.

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Speaker 1: She wasn't one time, and then she goes missing. And

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Speaker 1: according to neighbors that we have heard about tonight, she

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Speaker 1: had been living with this grown man, David Anthony Burke

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Speaker 1: aka David for a long time. Some sources date her

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Speaker 1: relationship back to her age eleven. Did you see that

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Speaker 1: We could establish age thirteen. You are seeing video from

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Speaker 1: at clips of David on TikTok. I want to see

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Speaker 1: that again because now we are learning. We are learning.

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Speaker 1: Moses Castillo joining me, former supervisor detective at LAPD, private

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Speaker 1: investigator for the Dordellian Law Group. Castillo. Look at this.

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Speaker 1: People are saying, no, that's not her. So it's a

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Speaker 1: reserved for special guests and family and Moses Castillo. Uh oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, this is from atclips of David on

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Speaker 1: TikTok Moses same clothes. People are saying, oh, wait, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's her, Sure looks like her. Who should

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Speaker 3: Yes, I believe it is her, and I believe many

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Speaker 3: people also believe it's her, beginning in several dms on

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Speaker 1: Guys, this is from a over Springs, Maryland concert August

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Speaker 1: twenty four, and if true, these photos create a timeline

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Speaker 1: from August twenty four until her decomposing body is found

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Speaker 1: Now we now have a timeline from August twenty four

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Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's repeatedly on and off air with questions why.

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Speaker 1: Because he has performed over ten thousand autopsies. I'm talking accident,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns, what does this mean to you? The fact

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Speaker 4: Well with individuals that have been placed in trunks or

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Speaker 1: See your monitor as you're just tripping is the word

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Speaker 1: just tripping off your tongue? You see who we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: that little girl. You're talking about our body turning green

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Speaker 4: By doing a complete autopsy, they'll be able to evaluate

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Speaker 4: You can still see the skin surface even though they're decomposing,

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Speaker 4: Life cycle of a blowfly can be helpful in trying

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Speaker 1: Many listeners and viewers have asked, how can a blowfly

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Speaker 1: get into a sealed trunk? And, as you know with

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Speaker 1: but they do get in, and their existence can help

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Speaker 1: draw the attention of our veterans trial lawyer Troy Slayton

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Speaker 1: to a video. I'm about to play Slayton out of

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Speaker 1: this jurisdiction LA criminal defense attorney at Slayton Lawyers. Let's

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Speaker 1: roll the video. Please take a look, Troy Slayton. Oh,

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Speaker 1: who's that? Oh it's the artist known as what's he doing? Oh?

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Speaker 1: He's putting a dead, bloody body into a car trunk.

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Speaker 1: That's not helping any potential defense.

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Speaker 6: So we're going to prosecute people now because of their art.

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Speaker 6: We're going to prosecute people because of music videos that

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Speaker 7: I don't think so, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: He also had a casket on stage sometimes what he

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Speaker 6: That you bring up a task which shows the perfect

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Speaker 1: I'm totally not hiring you anymore when I when I

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Speaker 1: murder someone, If you're going to bring up that I've

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Speaker 1: been obsessing on a casket and then I commit a murder,

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Speaker 1: no no, no no no, uh no, Slaton, he's obsessed

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Speaker 1: with this the video Again, it's not just that he

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Speaker 1: not a casket. This is him dragging a body. As

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Speaker 6: There's all sorts of other imagery that's going on here.

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Speaker 6: And this is a a person, an artist who's obsessed

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Speaker 7: And so I don't think that some music video.

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Speaker 1: Well, what's really interesting that you would say that because

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Speaker 1: you remember the name Orenthal J. Simpson, right a J. Simpson.

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Speaker 1: He talked about sports on TV, but he also had

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Speaker 1: a premonition that he murdered his wife, Nicole.

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Speaker 7: And he did you mean the book if I did it.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, if you did it. I am not making

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Speaker 1: And while you chalk this up to freedom of expression

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Speaker 1: in First Amendment, you know what, Just stop that. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold is a psychiatrist who has been voted to

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Speaker 1: the top of all sorts of accolades. She's an Angela Arnold,

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Speaker 1: MD and former Professor Psychiatry at Emma University, former medical

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Speaker 1: for its high traffic. Dodriangie, thank you for being with us. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Chroice late and I knew who's going to fall back

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Speaker 1: on the first Amendment there, But I want you to

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Speaker 1: putting that very mildly. And his art showed them dissected

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Speaker 8: SoC The control and domination that can be shown in

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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure how you're equating depicting murder and

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Speaker 8: What it's for, because these are signs of control and dominance.

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Speaker 8: Wrapping a body up and putting it in the trunk

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Speaker 1: Way, wait, well, look answer that one. That still mean

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Speaker 1: spill all over the new car seats that I'm sleeping on. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious. Straight out to Tammy Ballard joining US DNA

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Speaker 1: a lack of business there, Tammy Ballard, thank you for

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Speaker 5: The rest of the vehicle is fair game. You are

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Speaker 1: On the ceiling of the vehicle.

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Speaker 5: You want to see has whipped through possible seats because

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Speaker 1: Cases crime stories with Nancy Grace, Timmy Ballard, you just

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Speaker 1: criminologists are hearing what you're saying. It's reminding me of

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Speaker 1: It was soaked, soaked with the little boy's blood. But

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Speaker 1: you couldn't see it. So you're saying, Timmy Ballard, which

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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying exactly?

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Speaker 5: And I have worked those carpets from residents as well.

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Speaker 5: So hoping that they do a very thorough job and

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Speaker 1: Tammy Ballard, I assume that you send your car and

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Speaker 1: get its oil change right at an oil change station,

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Speaker 1: We just investigated the case of missing mom Nikki Cheng

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Speaker 5: They're going to have to put it up on They

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Speaker 5: Most likely contained within that vehicle with all of those

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Speaker 5: But you're obviously going to miss something. There's good thing

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Speaker 1: In this one. Tammy Ballard, I think that's quite the understatement.

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Speaker 5: I think most people forget. I shouldn't say most people forget.

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Speaker 1: We learned that overnight the musician known as David flees

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Speaker 10: Burke was living in a home leased by his manager,

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Speaker 1: You're not seeing really good shot of it. At the

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Speaker 1: Take a look at this. So he leaves and breaks

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Speaker 1: how many years it went, twenty thousand a month for

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the search of that mansion that just

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Speaker 2: Well, police officers are looking for anything to help build

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Speaker 7: A huge issue here.

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Speaker 2: They need to prove the extent of this relationship that

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Speaker 1: You know, very curious to Moses Castillo joining us former

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Speaker 1: the time she started living there? According to neighbors, it

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Speaker 1: Some allegations the relationship started much longer than before she

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Speaker 3: One of the things they'll do is they're going to

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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton joining US, a veteran defense attorney out of

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Speaker 1: this jurisdiction, La Troy, I guess you're going to tell

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Speaker 1: me that it means nothing that he fled the home

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Speaker 7: Well, you said that he broke his lease.

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Speaker 6: I think that the reporting is that his manager actually

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Speaker 6: is the one who signed the lease, is the one

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Speaker 6: who is legally responsible for the twenty thousand dollars a

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Speaker 6: month lease payment. It was not the artist known as David,

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Speaker 6: And I would think that after the police conduct a

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Speaker 6: raid at a home and remove all types of evidence.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't want to be there either, So I think

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Speaker 6: that seems perfectly reasonable.

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Speaker 1: So you don't think there's any chance that celest was

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Speaker 1: actually killed there by the way this video from our

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Speaker 1: friends at Fox eleven.

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Speaker 6: Oh, she certainly could have been. And I think that

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Speaker 6: there's a lot of video. We live in the digital

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Speaker 6: age where everyone has a ring camera, everyone in that

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00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 6: neighborhood has advanced security systems and CCTV. The police are

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Speaker 6: going to be coming through everything. If a body was

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Speaker 6: dragged out of that house, we're going to eventually have

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Speaker 6: video event, either video from the house security footage itself,

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Speaker 6: or by a neighbor, or by the tesla which also

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Speaker 6: has about six cameras all around.

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Speaker 7: It that are recording at various times.

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Speaker 1: In the night. The musician known as David it looks

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Speaker 1: like d four VD flees his home, his mansion in

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Speaker 1: upscale Hollywood heels after it was searched and processed for

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Speaker 1: fingerprints and blood. His little girlfriend who took up with

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Speaker 1: him that we know of around thirteen years old, has

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Speaker 1: been found dead in his Tesla trunk tonight. No arrest

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Speaker 1: This brings to mind another little girl whose caseign investigator

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Speaker 1: Her name was Miranda Corsette. Now here is home video.

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Speaker 1: It's surveillance video of Miranda. There, she's to the right,

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Speaker 1: She's walking around in the alleged killer's front yard, and

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Speaker 1: then we see her walking back into the home. This

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Speaker 1: little teen girl was tortured, brutalized and murdered. She was

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Speaker 1: seen by neighbors in the home completely naked, crying in

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Speaker 1: the corner. Now, Miranda Corsette is seen walking into the home,

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Speaker 1: but not much after that, she is seen being carried

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Speaker 1: out of the home and placed in the killer's car trunk.

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Speaker 1: Keep watching. It's like he doesn't even care if the

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Speaker 1: neighbors are watching, much less their security cams going the

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Speaker 1: whole time. Yeah, he puts little more in the trunk,

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Speaker 1: slams it shut, and then wipes his hand like okay,

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Speaker 1: task accomplished. My only question is is video going to

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Speaker 1: emerge in the current case of a little teen girl

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Speaker 1: found dead in a trunk. I'm referring, of course, to

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Speaker 1: Celeste Rivas joining me in Alstar Pound to make sense

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Speaker 1: of what we are learning, and I'd like to see

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Speaker 1: now the photos taken by TMZ our friend Harvey Levin

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Speaker 1: that show the outside of the home. As you see

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Speaker 1: the red errors arrows are pointing at what we believe

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Speaker 1: to see home video. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 9: Police are scouring the area around the home where the

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Speaker 9: tesla with the dismembered and decomposing body in the trunk

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Speaker 9: was parked before being told, and they are looking for video.

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Speaker 9: The rental home has security camera's position at all entry

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Speaker 9: points in the backyard and on the street, so people

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Speaker 9: can't go in or out of the house without being recorded.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Moses Caristillo joining us former supervising Detective Lapd,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear your take on that. What you

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Speaker 1: would make of it if any of that video had

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Speaker 1: been deleted, if that's true, and how that video, especially

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Speaker 1: if it's up in the cloud, how is that video

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Speaker 1: recaptured and used?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Ntsie, what they're going to do is a very

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Speaker 3: thorough search of this location from top to bottom. Head

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Speaker 3: information I have is that the prosecution teams are already

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Speaker 3: on board with the elite team of detectives at Robert

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Speaker 3: Homeside Division, So that tells me that they're being very down.

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Speaker 1: Slow down, slow down. The train because my follow up

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Speaker 1: question to you is going to be why is this

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Speaker 1: being investigated by robbery at LAPD. This is not about

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Speaker 1: a robbery, this is about a homicide. But you're telling

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Speaker 1: me an assistant district attorney has already been assigned to

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Speaker 1: the case.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So, Robbery Homside Division is the elite team of

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Speaker 3: detectives that investigate not only robberies, but homicides as well,

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Speaker 3: especially those complex murder investigations. And I have information that

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Speaker 3: a signed prosecutor is already on board with this team

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Speaker 3: of detectives. And that's awesome because it get to see

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Speaker 3: things real time now playing catch up at a later time.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the fact that

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Speaker 1: you're saying LAPD robbery homicide. Much has been made online

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Speaker 1: that LAPD Robbery is investigating the case, but you're saying

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Speaker 1: it's one of the same robbery homicide.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's actually a named Robbery Homside Division is the

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Speaker 3: name of the division. It's a specialized unit that the

518
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Speaker 3: best of the best of detectives are assigned to this

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Speaker 3: unit and the investiation get to know.

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Speaker 1: Because Castillo, I want to just put out that fire

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00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: right now for our online sluice don't stop sleuthing, keep sleuthing,

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Speaker 1: but let me take you off that particular avenue of inquiry. So, Moses,

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Speaker 1: you're saying that all of this cam video is being amassed,

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Speaker 1: and if this girl was carried out or walked out

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Speaker 1: of that mansion at any time leading up to the

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Speaker 1: discovery of her in the musician known as Davids Tesla trunk,

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Speaker 1: We're going to get it. And that includes next door neighbors, neighbors,

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Speaker 1: across the street, you name it. And think about this, Castillo,

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Speaker 1: what about cam video of who is moving that car

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Speaker 1: from place to place to place in Hollywood Hills and

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Speaker 1: who put it there to start with, because whoever did

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Speaker 1: that is somebody I want to talk to.

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Speaker 3: Castillo absolutely, And you know what, the Teslas recorded video

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Speaker 3: all the time, so I'm sure they're going to look

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Speaker 3: at that as well. And yes, every bit of digital

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Speaker 3: evidence will be examined. I'm thoroughly investigated by these detectives

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Speaker 3: who are dedicated to uncover the truth ultimately getting justice.

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Speaker 1: For Celesti crime stories with Nancy Grace another issue on

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00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: Missus Cristillo. Our online sleuths had been working twenty four

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Speaker 1: to seven on this and they were concerned this had

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Speaker 1: not been set in homicide because there was not a

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Speaker 1: CD or any evidence that Celeste had been murdered. Let

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Speaker 1: me throw that to doctor Kendall Crown. So what would

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Speaker 1: be the alternative that she crawls into the trunk and

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Speaker 1: has a heart attack? Of course she was murdered.

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Speaker 4: H yes, I mean, nobody's going to go into a

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Speaker 4: trunk and then shut themselves in willingly that it's obviously

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Speaker 4: a homicide. We just have to figure out what. And

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Speaker 4: I think there is some mention that I've seen that

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Speaker 4: she was possibly dismembered, which is obviously not something that

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Speaker 4: would occur naturally.

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Speaker 1: And another thing, Doctor Kendle Crown, speaking of partial dismemberment

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Speaker 1: of this little girl. I got to follow up with

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00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: a shrink on that. But doctor Kendall crowns, you can

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00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: tell so much from the tool markings on the body

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Speaker 1: when someone has been dismembered. And since a body is

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Speaker 1: dismembered with of course some sort of cutting utensil like

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Speaker 1: a knife, does that lead you to believe her cood

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Speaker 1: may have been stabbing or statistically it would be some

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Speaker 1: sort of a strangulation or asphyxiation. Explain that's correct.

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Speaker 4: More likely than not, it's a strangulation that followed up

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Speaker 4: by them cutting her up.

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Speaker 1: Is there any way that normal decomp which of course

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Speaker 1: is not normal to decompose in a car trunk, So

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Speaker 1: right off the bat, that question as a non sequatory

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Speaker 1: does not follow. But can normal decomposition in any way

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Speaker 1: resemble partial dismemberment?

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Speaker 4: Well, if you get like animals scavenging involved, yes, the

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Speaker 4: limbs can be pulled away from the body by animals,

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Speaker 4: but usually in normal decomposition, which individuals and.

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Speaker 1: We always have nothing to do with this. Can we

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Speaker 1: stick to the facts, please, doctor Crowns.

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Speaker 4: Certainly so. She's laying in a trunk where animals can't

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Speaker 4: get to her. Your limbs are not going to look

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Speaker 4: like they've been dismembered. If you get to the point

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Speaker 4: of skeletonization, yes your bones will fall apart, but you

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Speaker 4: won't look like you've been dismembered.

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Speaker 1: There is a clear difference when a body decomposes naturally

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Speaker 1: as opposed to when the body has been dismembered. You

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Speaker 1: see tool marks, or you see bones out of place,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing close to they don't fit together. One will

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Speaker 1: not be mistaken for the other. Is that fair to say?

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Speaker 4: Yes, that is fair to say.

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Speaker 1: Now comes the story of two Celeste.

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Speaker 10: A video called two Celeste is gaining attention after being

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Speaker 10: shared on Eggs by Josh our Post with a caption

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Speaker 10: that reads, quote David, why are there two Celeste?

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Speaker 1: The clip features the user.

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Speaker 10: Claiming Celeste has two faces, one being a Celeste Revas

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Speaker 10: Hernandez and another Celeste Herrera, who interacts with Burke on

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Speaker 10: social media. The claim is that Burke was obsessed with

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Speaker 10: Celeste and something terrible happened and he can't be with her,

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Speaker 10: so he's trying to replace her with a look alike.

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Speaker 1: To Melissa McCarty, investciad reporter has Stop Killer Jeans podcast

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Speaker 1: and author of the Making of a Crime Reporter. Again, Melissa,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being with us tonight. What can you tell

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Speaker 1: me about the existence of two Celestes?

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Speaker 2: This is fascinating and again one of those Internet sleuthing

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Speaker 2: phenomenons that have researched that the LAPD I'm sure is

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Speaker 2: trying to track down.

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Speaker 1: You have an older.

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Speaker 2: Adult version Celeste, and then you have the minor Celeste Fernandez.

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Speaker 2: But the most important information is we have one that

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Speaker 2: was found dead in the trunk of his vehicle and another.

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Speaker 2: You really have to investigate the extent of the relationship.

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Speaker 2: Did he actually know both of them, was he intimate

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Speaker 2: with either of them? How did he know these two?

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Speaker 2: And who is this other person? What does she have

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Speaker 2: to do with the other.

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Speaker 1: Well, from what we've been told, Celeste Herrera, the twenty

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Speaker 1: three year old, interacts extensively with David on social media.

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Speaker 1: I'm referring to David Anthony Burke. The claim is that

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Speaker 1: and this would have to go to doctor Angela Arnold,

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Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists joining us. The claim is that Burke was

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Speaker 1: obsessed with ten girls, Celeste and that as soon as

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Speaker 1: she was gone, he's trying to replace her with a lookalike.

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Speaker 1: Now is that hard evidence? No, it's not. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Slayton's doing a backflip right now. But what does what

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Speaker 1: do you make of that that a Celeste look alike

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Speaker 1: is his online protege.

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Speaker 8: As you can see with these two young girls, there's

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Speaker 8: a pattern in how they in how they appear. Feeling

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Speaker 8: that the younger girl, the younger Celeste, was much easier

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Speaker 8: for him to control. Jiefs now found someone that appears

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00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 8: to look much like her, and we.

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Speaker 7: Don't know what his motives are.

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Speaker 8: His motives are, His motives could be directly what we're

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Speaker 8: doing here. When did these two you.

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Speaker 1: Know another issue? Doctra Angie. Yeah, we don't even know

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Speaker 1: the extent of their relationship. For all I know, it's

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Speaker 1: just an online relationship where she interacts online. But we're

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Speaker 1: finding out. I want to look at the leaked lyrics

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Speaker 1: of Burke's song Celeste, Oh Celeste, the girl with my

634
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: name tattooed on her chest, smell her on my clothes

635
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Speaker 1: like cigarettes. I hear her voice each time I take

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Speaker 1: in breath. I'm obsessed, Oh Celeste. Now remember thirteen at

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Speaker 1: the time they started their relationship. Oh Celeste, afraid you'll

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00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: only love me when undressed, But you look so damn

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Speaker 1: gorgeous in that dress. Missing you so much makes me depressed,

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Speaker 1: But I digress because I love you so much. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Chroice Layton, Yeah, he's not obsessed, is he? Again?

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Speaker 6: This is art, Nancy. You can't convict somebody based on art,

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Speaker 6: and we keep mentioning that she was thirteen. Now, I

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Speaker 6: know that this is not a legal defense, and it

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Speaker 6: wouldn't provide a legal defense in court, But how do

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Speaker 6: we know what age she said that she was. Uh,

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Speaker 6: there's been some reporting that she had some fake IDs.

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Speaker 6: I don't know of anyone that's ever dated somebody.

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Speaker 1: It was her fair ID. I'm not saying that's all

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Speaker 1: those fake IDs. So she was murdering and putting that trunk.

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Speaker 7: Not saying that at all.

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Speaker 1: Well, if it's not a little defense, why are you

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Speaker 1: just saying it because we're talking about to blame her

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Speaker 1: with the claim that you think she might have had

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Speaker 1: a fake IDA?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely not, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: But what I am saying is he didn't necessarily know

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Speaker 6: that she was underage this whole time she was a runaway.

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Speaker 6: He didn't necessarily know she was living with their family,

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Speaker 6: or that she was missing. We don't know that he

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Speaker 6: knew any of this. You were bringing up modus apparandi,

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Speaker 6: what you do knowledge? That doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Every statutory rapist I've ever met said I thought she

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Speaker 1: was a How is this any different?

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Speaker 6: We've all heard that, Nancy, of course. But what I'm

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Speaker 6: saying is this just goes to his potential state of mind.

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Speaker 6: And that's why it's important.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, important to you, not to me. She's dead

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Speaker 1: and I want to know who did it, and I

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Speaker 1: want to remind everyone that the music known as David,

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Speaker 1: his real name is David Anthony Burke's innocent. He stands

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Speaker 1: innocent tonight. He will not be guilty unless he has

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Speaker 1: been charged and proven guilty in a court of law

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Speaker 1: by a jury of his peers. If you know or

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Speaker 1: think you know anything about the disappearance and death of

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Speaker 1: this little girl, Celeste, please dial two one three four

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Speaker 1: eight six six' eight nine. Zero you can remain anonymous

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Speaker 1: two one three four eight six six' eight. Nine zero

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Speaker 1: and now we Remember an American Hero, Firefighter Paramedic Stephen,

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Speaker 1: scott HOUSTON. P d killed in the line, of duty

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Speaker 1: served l e, Thirty years survived by grieving wife and.

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Speaker 1: Three Children american Hero Firefe Fighter Paramedic Stephen Scott nancy

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Speaker 1: grace signing off goodbye FRIEND.

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