WEBVTT - Justin Parsons 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:03.360 It's the Son of a which podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:07.320 claud de Marmon my guests. This week, Justin Parsons teaches 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.200 out at Sea Island, Georgia. We have him on the 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:11.760 pod before. I mean, I'm biased, but I think he's 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.680 one of the best instructors in the game. And his student, 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.680 Harris English, gets his fifth win at the Farmers JP. 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:22.799 Always good when players get wins early on in the season. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:25.560 But when I was looking at and doing some research 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:27.640 on this and I was watching on Sunday, I was 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.240 watching at a friend's house and he was like, man, 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:32.600 why is the Harris English win more? And I was like, 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.440 he wins today, it's this fifth win. So I think 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:37.320 when Harris does win and he gets in the hunt 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:39.280 and we watch him on TV and we watch him 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.720 firing on all cylinders JP. I mean, he's so much 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.720 fun to watch and he's such a complete player, and 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:50.279 when he does win, you watch his game and you're like, dude, 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:51.920 discussion win a lot. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:52.760 Yeah. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.680 I mean, his ability to get locked down and focus 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:00.200 is probably his greatest strength. His competitiveness, and you know, 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:01.960 all the way through his career he's been a great 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:04.760 competitor and extremely hard worker, which you know, I know 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.319 you would appreciate he uh, you know, he beats me 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.920 into the golf school and and uh in Sea Island 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:12.080 an awful lot. He's there, he does, he's in the 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:13.319 gym and he's doing his work. 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:13.840 You know. 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.440 I think as he's matured as a player, he's searched 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:22.600 for the fields of comfort and confidence through preparation and structure. 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.600 And that's almost got him away from some of the 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:31.600 natural kind of flamboyance, that ability just to be to 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.080 be a competitor and lock in and get focused. It 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.679 almost takes his brain like a little bit more like 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.640 left sided, Like let's get all of the analytical side done, 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.119 let's swing the golf club really well, let's do all 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.440 my drills, you know, so really from Palm Springs and 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.400 moving forward. I was trying to remind him that I 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.720 want to see harrising this the golfer. I'm not really 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.800 as concerned with watching your golf swing. I want to see, 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.160 you know, how you're behaving as a golfer, how you're walking, 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.600 how you how your focus is, how your. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:58.480 Energy levels are. 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.440 And you know, he responds, he's a great lad to coach. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:04.840 He responds, really really well. 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.000 He really really listens, and as you and I know, 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.280 that can be both a blessing and a curse because 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.160 if they really really listened to better tell them the 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:11.840 right stuff. 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.080 You posted something on your Instagram and it was an 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.920 interview that Harris did post round on Saturday where he 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:22.360 talked about he was trying to not fall into the 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.560 trap JP, and it's something that you and I talk about, 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.080 you know, privately, it's something we talk about to our students, 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.959 But it's very easy as a competitive professional golfer to 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.040 get caught into the trap of what your technique looks like, 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.440 what your golf swing looks like, what the numbers look like, 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.880 what it looks like on video. But as I tell 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.240 players all the time, and you know this as well, 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.560 everybody in the game is trying to make their golf 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.960 swing better. Nellie Corda and Lydia Co on the women's side, 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.960 Scotti Scheffler, Rory mcaway on the men's slide. All four 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.919 of those players, or the best in the game are 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:01.720 trying to improve their technique, so that never changes. And 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:03.800 I thought it was interesting that Harris City's trying to 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:09.560 get back to maybe getting away from technique, technique, technique 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.079 the way it looks the numbers and kind of get 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.360 back into heating shots and playing the game. How do 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:20.239 you feel like that balance happens for players and what 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.560 do you feel like has helped Harris kind of get 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.720 back into that play mode as opposed to technique because 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.720 Jpe we talk a lot, you send me swings, We 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.200 talk about our players that we work with, and Harris 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:36.400 can go down the technique work rabbit hole, right. Harris 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.760 is a worker. He believes that the secret is in 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.840 the dirt, but sometimes you can try and make it 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.280 so perfect. And that's what he said, We're all trying 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:46.440 to make it perfect. 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.360 Well, are you know? On our responsibility is as coaches. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:52.920 You know we've also you and I have also talked 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:54.880 about the fact that you know you've got to You 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.160 got some guys who are just swing coaches, and they're 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:58.880 just there to do a job as a as a 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.800 as a swing coach, which is basically like a Formula 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.080 one technician in the pit lane, and they're not there 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.520 to help the driver navigate the turns. They're just there 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.720 to make sure the cars going as fast and as 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.200 efficiently as possible. In our sort of role. You've got 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:13.680 to be a little bit of both. And I think that, 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:15.520 you know, a couple of things on that. I think 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.039 with young players that I work with now, I try 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.039 and help educate them that they've got to be able 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:24.400 to flick between the responsibility of swinging the golf club 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.599 properly and swinging the golf club efficiently and managing their tendencies, 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.160 and they've got to then flick back into I need 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:31.800 to be a competitor. I need to be able to 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:33.719 go and play. I need to be able to leave 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.800 all of that behind. And I would say that the 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.640 ability to flick between those two, you know, whether we 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.720 think of those twos as left brain, right brain, or 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:42.200 whether they. 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.600 Think of those two as two different mentalities. The ability 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.279 to do that quickly. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.919 I think sometimes to me separate some of the best 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.880 players in the world from some of the excellent PGA 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:53.960 Tour players. I mean, I've certainly had a lot of 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.640 golfers that I've worked for who struggle. 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:57.000 With that a little bit. 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.200 And I remember listening to Tiger Woods talking about the 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.919 fact that he can go from really breaking down his 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.200 technique and thinking very technically to you know, hitting his 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.960 windows and just being creative and being able to play. 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.159 And I think what Harris is an example of someone 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.960 who you know, is he's you know, he's a dad. 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.040 Now he's in his you know, he's in the he's 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.359 at the certainly the beginning of the second half of 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.640 his career, he's beginning to recognize that I need to 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.960 be somebody to win golf tournaments, and I also need 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:24.920 to be somebody else to be able to be efficient 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.160 enough to put myself in position that when I flick 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.160 that switch, I can go and win golf tournaments. And that's, uh, 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:32.760 you know, that's certainly a big responsibility of ours. And 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.040 I know you and I we try and we try 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:36.839 and break that puzzle all the time, and half the 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.880 time we were left wondering why it was so difficult 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.360 when they win, and how we're ever going to get them. 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.159 Back to that place when they're they're not hitting it 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:44.560 so good. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:46.960 Harris is the type of player JP that has won 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:51.120 at every level of his golfing career. Like he's just 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.600 one of those guys. He's played the Walker Cup, you know, 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:58.520 he was a standout at Georgia. He was an accomplished 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.359 and then he's you know, an accomplished career on the 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.880 PGA Tour, turned pro in twenty twelve. It's made over 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.520 thirty million dollars. He's been on a Ryder Cup team. 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:14.760 Put that balance, JP, Why do you think that golfers 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.760 in general, but also at the elite level, JP, why 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:23.160 do you think sometimes players get out of the playing 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.760 of the game part of it and just get into 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.760 the technical part of it. You know, We've got a kid, 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.239 Nico Daris, who works with us a lot on performance stuff, 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.560 and Niko, he's been on the party, doesn't come from 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.880 the golf background, and he said, I find it fascinating 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.160 the way people practice golf. It says, if you're trying 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.960 to play in the NBA and the only thing you 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:46.479 do is practice free throws, that's it. And you play 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.799 the game and you evaluate what you did in the game, 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:51.640 and you look at the game, and then you just 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.919 go straight back to the free throw line and just 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:57.280 work on your shot and your technique. And there is 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:02.159 so much more to come peeting and playing. But the 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:06.240 trap of just technique, I mean, are we part of 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.560 the problem is instructors? You know, because I mean it's 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:12.760 it's fashionable to have people like us on your team 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.600 and stuff. But the balance of the playing of the 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.840 game and the technique of it. Why do you think 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.559 you can go down the rabbit hole and think, Okay, 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.200 the only way I can get better is just to 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:24.160 make my golfing matter. 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:25.320 I think it. 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.920 From a from a perspective of just the common sense 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.360 of it. I think it's probably laziness and lifestyle that 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.000 takes them in the direction that they go in. You know, 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.000 I always look at the college systems in the States, 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.160 and when I talk to Harris and Brian about being 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.000 in Georgia, they were they were either qualifying, or they 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.720 were competing, or they were doing the gauntlet short. 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.680 Game drills, or they we haven't putting competitions. 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:49.760 And then when they move away from that, they get 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.559 out on their own and all of a sudden, they're 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.080 you know, on a range, they're beaten balls. They're not 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.120 playing golf with their buddies as much. They're not as 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.400 competitive because they're not surrounded by as many people. And 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.880 as they reach kind of like adulthood, they start thinking, well, 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:03.680 if I make this golf swing better, then I'm going 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:04.200 to be better. 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:05.880 And I try and remind them all the time. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.440 That you know, I need a blend of the way 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.320 that you were behaving as kids and the way that 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.680 you're behaving as adults, because undoubtedly, if if the if 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.680 the movement is incorrect and the shot patterns are terrible, 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.880 you can have the most competitive, wonderful mindset and you 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.880 can still go out and shoot seventy five. So again, 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.280 you know, our job is to ensure that they recognize 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.680 that if they're in a training, if they're in a 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.000 in a place where they're training their training, if they're 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.200 in a place where they're preparing, they're preparing, and whenever 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.600 they're they're able to perform, we should have we should 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.200 have prepared them for that. I agree that you know, 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.480 and I've tried to certainly try and make sure that 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.120 I'm not the problem. But you know, to your point, 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.240 sometimes when they're locked into that mentality of well, I 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.559 need to swing it better, and my teachers here. 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.319 Behind me, he needs to help me swing it better, 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:53.880 we can feed that. 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.240 We can feed that addiction, and some players are are 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.760 locked into that addiction so much so that they find 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.480 it very difficult to ever move into into that sort 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.520 of more play mode. And you know, your father and 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.600 you have told me great techniques to help move from 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:11.400 from one of those modes to the other. And I 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.000 think you know, any of the teachers you know watching 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.400 these types of podcasts need to recognize that, you know, 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.280 that's a big part of what we're doing all the time. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.680 I worked with a kid the other day that Jean 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.120 Paul Abert, who's now the head coach at UNLV. He 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.160 was a longtime assistant at the University of Texas for 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.520 John Fields. He saw all their great players, his father 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:35.040 won the PGA. But this player came in. JP's a junior. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.640 I mean, typical prototype college player that you see all 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:42.680 the time now, six one to six, three tons of speed, 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:47.040 hits at miles and really, like a lot of players 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:51.280 we see, JP somewhat lost. And he said that when 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.959 he played high school golf, he didn't think of anything right, 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:59.080 He just played. He just played the game. Didn't really 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.280 have a lot of tech thoughts, didn't really have a 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.040 lot of golf swing thoughts. But he said when he 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.640 got to college, everybody's got a launch monitor, everybody's working 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.480 on their drills, everybody's working on their swing. And he 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:13.160 said he went down this trap of thinking, Okay, I 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.160 need to constantly get golf balls on launch monitors. I 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.560 need to constantly work on that technique and the balance 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:25.800 for everyone listening, specifically JP, for the competitive golfers listening, 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:31.880 how do they navigate that execution technique? How much time 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:36.320 do you think they should be devoting to technique and 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.720 how much time should they be devoting to execution. 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.880 I think it's definitely going to be different from player 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.640 to player. I mean, again, if somebody's if somebody's not 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.920 moving well and not putting the golf club on the ball, well, 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.400 say they're a midam and they're they're not fine in 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:51.920 the fair way and they're going to try go try 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:53.680 and play in the US midimal, Well they've got to 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.440 They've got to fix up. So again, it's like we 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.480 always say, it's individual, it's individual to individual, and I'm 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.439 certainly they're some people who respond just find it being 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.079 on the range a lot. You know, we've seen Bja 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.160 Sing over the years standing beating golf balls in the range. 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.160 We've seen Sergio Garcia who never hardly hit a shot 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.520 even in a warm up, and Colin Montgomery who hit 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:14.760 I think he hit thirteen shots or something in his 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.959 warm ups. So you know again, I think everyone has 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.280 to be treated individually. I do believe though, if you're 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.840 going down that rabbit hole of technique and you're starting 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:25.600 to think about a lot of things in the golf course, 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.520 then I think you've got to get back to, you know, 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.080 hitting some shot shapes, doing some of your nine ball 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.319 drills like you and I have talked about going I 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.160 play golf with a half set, play from different tees, 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:37.800 you know, get creative. I mean, I try and also 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.280 remind people that as we go through life. I remember 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:45.320 meeting this rather eccentric old South African psychologist when it 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.079 was working on the European tour, and I think he'd 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.480 written a book called the Nine Stages of Life, and 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.120 it was like, every five years, how your mentality shifts 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.559 a little bit. So undoubtedly, when you're fifteen to twenty, 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.480 you know you haven't kind of reached full adulthood. Certainly 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:02.200 the guys havn't reached full adulthood. We're still in that 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:06.280 playful kind of creative stage. We don't remember the bad things, 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:09.000 we remember all the good things. From twenty to twenty five, 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.319 that shifts a little bit from twenty five to thirty, 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.680 that definitely shifts and by the time you get to 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.079 our stage you realize that, you know, there's an awful 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.760 lot of water under the bridge. So I mean educating 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.880 the players you know in that regard, And that's again 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:22.480 one of the other reasons why you have to treat 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.160 these people so so much as individuals. I mean, Harris 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.120 English is an adult. He recognizes that if he sucks 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.480 the golf club inside and closes the face on the 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.320 way back and hits pools, he has to fix that. 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.040 But at the same time he also now is really 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.480 starting to recognize that, well, I can't have to fix 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:39.640 that on a Monday. 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.120 Because I certainly can't be thinking about that an awful 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:41.960 lot on a Thursday. 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.840 When you look at Harry's golf swing, JP, what is 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:52.240 the DNA of what he does that makes him a 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.240 great player, that makes him a great ball striker. Because listen, 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.760 we used to go up when DJ was playing on 0:12:57.760 --> 0:12:59.680 the PJ Tour. We play a lot of practice rounds 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:01.360 with him. I mean they were boys kind of in 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:05.840 that kind of same kind of age demographic, Southern boys 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.520 and stuff like that. So we would play a lot 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.400 of golf with Harrison. And when you watch him hit 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.800 golf balls. I mean, I mean, like I said in 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:17.400 the opening, it's impressive. So what is his DNA? What 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.320 does he do when he plays well like last week 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.319 and wins, and then what are the traps that he 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.839 gets into that calls him to not play his best golf? 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.760 You know, I think he was I think he was 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:30.520 coached really well. 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.120 And you know, Jan Reeves is one of the guys 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.400 that works at Sea Island with me. Is Keith Mitchell's coach, 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.839 and Chan's that I become a great friend of mine, 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:38.839 like yourself, and we talk about the golf swing a lot. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.520 On Chan came up looking at Davis Love's golf swing, 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.520 and Harris idolized Davis Love, who incident at least recovering 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.920 really well from from a little surgery he's just had, 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:53.439 so we all wish him well. I think that Harris's 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:58.000 golf swing reverberates around width and balance and rhythm, and 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:01.360 I think we probably lump you and your dad and 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.640 stuff into that would all recognize those as wonderful traits 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.000 with great players having great rhythm, having great balance, having 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:13.920 great width. I think that potentially his overall education about 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.920 staying wide was one of the things that we've certainly 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:18.839 talked about a little bit. You know, he didn't quite 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:22.080 understand when the arms would sort of fold and when 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.120 the golf club would sort of fold and allow the 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:25.880 golf club to stay in front of his body as 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.000 opposed to him kind of sucking it a little bit 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:29.760 too far behind him. And I think that that has 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:34.280 found him out. I think that some of the physical 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.200 limitations that he's had. We know that he had the 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.360 Valentine's Day twenty twenty two, he had that fairly significant 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.720 surgery on his right hip, and he's always had a 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.720 very limited amount of internal rotation as right hip. I 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.680 remember you talking to me about Graham McDowell, I think 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.440 who you worked for for many years in European tour 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.560 and a similar sort of thing. So I think within 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:57.040 those physical limitations, especially on that trail side, we run 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:01.480 into some some situations where the backswing can get a 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.800 little bit less efficient, he can get into some reverse patterns, 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:06.800 which is you know, I'm happy to say, is an 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.000 awful lot better now. So, like you know, we talk 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:13.120 about a lot, the DNA tends to come from the 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:16.360 physicality of the player coupled with the influences the early 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:20.920 coaching sort of styles, and that brings great strengths and 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.000 some weaknesses that we have to keep tidy. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:24.960 And I mean, we look at DJ's. 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.360 Golf swing that I kind of marvel at and we 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.560 can see that there are some things that he does 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:30.480 so so well and there's a couple of little things 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:31.840 that he needs to clear up. 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.120 And Harris is no different. 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.560 When Harris plays his best like last week, JK, what 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:37.040 shape is he trying to hit? 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.240 He loves his stock shot to be a fade, a. 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.160 Little bit of just kind of a bleeder to where 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.200 And that's interesting, jar Man, I think, tell this story. 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:49.720 You caddied for Harry earlier this year on the bag. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.280 I've always I've done that, you know, a couple of 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.960 times and plast I'm years ago for the first ta 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.600 A Scott Cup. I caddy for Trevor Immomant for eighteen holes. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.560 Is fascinating and carry the bag and be on the 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.720 bag in a competitive environment to see the way these 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:06.720 guys think, what was that like when you caddy form out. 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:08.280 I was in Napa, right, it. 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:08.760 Was in Napa. 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.040 He was, yeah, he was in in We were just 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:13.800 trying to figure a few things out. He'd been working 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.240 so hard and preparing well and looking great in this 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:22.000 preparation he we went out to NAPA. We I would 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.200 say that from my side, it helped me understand just 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.200 the sort of the energy that he brings to different shots, 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.680 certainly the potential to potentially over complicate some shots that 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.520 I think he needs to He needs to still kind 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.800 of frame and keep simple. I think when when some 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.120 people are put in uncomfortable positions, sometimes they get a 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:44.360 little bit more complex about the solutions as opposed to 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.400 just trying to keep it very simple. And we messed 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.480 up up a couple of you know, kind of complicated shots. 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.040 One shot off an uphill lie to a green that 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.840 sits from back to front, and he's got one thirty 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:57.920 eight and it's a you know, it's just a little 0:16:57.960 --> 0:16:59.880 cam pitching wedge and even if he pulls it into 0:16:59.920 --> 0:17:01.960 the middle of the green, it's not it's not one 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:03.320 of those shots even with a wedge, you're not going 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.040 to hit it very close. But he just, you know, 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:06.480 he kind of got muddled up with it and he 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.840 tried it a low cut off and upslope, and you know, 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.639 we so we we've talked about that so it was 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.040 a great way for me to see how he you know, 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.400 how he navigates those difficult situations. 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:17.119 Interesting player. 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.040 You know, when when you give him a number and 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.440 he needs to stretch an iron shot a little bit, 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:23.760 he's so so good at that. You know, he'd give 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.600 him a front left flag at you know, one one 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.919 eighty two and he hits his you know, he say, 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.320 he hits his eight iron one seventy one and it's 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.959 three or four downhill, He'll stretch it a little bit 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:35.560 and get a little bit more out of it, and 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.480 it's it's interesting that and it also helped me to 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.480 understand how naturally he doesn't kind of like taking distance off. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.639 He'd rather stretch a club three four yards than then 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:47.480 start to sort of take four or five yards off 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:51.160 a club. So you know, getting into like, well, exactly 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.679 how should he prepare, Like if he's got an uncomfortable 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.480 situation with a you know, with a with a wedge shot, 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.439 for example, he's probably better off hitting a harder shot, 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.439 even if it spins to the front edge. Then you know, 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.160 then sometimes trying to do a little bit too much 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.000 for it. So really understanding the DNA of the players, 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.199 it helps us a great deal. It's something I'd be 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.600 very open to. However, my record of miss cut silver 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:17.399 mid cups on the PGA Tour anyway would possibly suggest 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:18.800 they shouldn't hire me as a county. 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:19.959 The eight felt anyway. 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.480 I coundied for Steve Elkington the week in New Orleans 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.600 and when I'm still in college, the week before he 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:31.560 won the his first Players Championship, we got paired with 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.359