1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a which podcast. I'm your host, 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: claud de Marmon my guests. This week, Justin Parsons teaches 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: out at Sea Island, Georgia. We have him on the 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: pod before. I mean, I'm biased, but I think he's 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: one of the best instructors in the game. And his student, 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: Harris English, gets his fifth win at the Farmers JP. 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: Always good when players get wins early on in the season. 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: But when I was looking at and doing some research 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: on this and I was watching on Sunday, I was 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: watching at a friend's house and he was like, man, 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: why is the Harris English win more? And I was like, 12 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: he wins today, it's this fifth win. So I think 13 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: when Harris does win and he gets in the hunt 14 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: and we watch him on TV and we watch him 15 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: firing on all cylinders JP. I mean, he's so much 16 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: fun to watch and he's such a complete player, and 17 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: when he does win, you watch his game and you're like, dude, 18 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: discussion win a lot. 19 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 20 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: I mean, his ability to get locked down and focus 21 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 3: is probably his greatest strength. His competitiveness, and you know, 22 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 3: all the way through his career he's been a great 23 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: competitor and extremely hard worker, which you know, I know 24 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 3: you would appreciate he uh, you know, he beats me 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: into the golf school and and uh in Sea Island 26 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 3: an awful lot. He's there, he does, he's in the 27 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 3: gym and he's doing his work. 28 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: You know. 29 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: I think as he's matured as a player, he's searched 30 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: for the fields of comfort and confidence through preparation and structure. 31 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: And that's almost got him away from some of the 32 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 3: natural kind of flamboyance, that ability just to be to 33 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: be a competitor and lock in and get focused. It 34 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 3: almost takes his brain like a little bit more like 35 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: left sided, Like let's get all of the analytical side done, 36 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 3: let's swing the golf club really well, let's do all 37 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 3: my drills, you know, so really from Palm Springs and 38 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: moving forward. I was trying to remind him that I 39 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: want to see harrising this the golfer. I'm not really 40 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: as concerned with watching your golf swing. I want to see, 41 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: you know, how you're behaving as a golfer, how you're walking, 42 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: how you how your focus is, how your. 43 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: Energy levels are. 44 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: And you know, he responds, he's a great lad to coach. 45 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: He responds, really really well. 46 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: He really really listens, and as you and I know, 47 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: that can be both a blessing and a curse because 48 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: if they really really listened to better tell them the 49 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: right stuff. 50 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: You posted something on your Instagram and it was an 51 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: interview that Harris did post round on Saturday where he 52 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: talked about he was trying to not fall into the 53 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: trap JP, and it's something that you and I talk about, 54 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, privately, it's something we talk about to our students, 55 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: But it's very easy as a competitive professional golfer to 56 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: get caught into the trap of what your technique looks like, 57 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: what your golf swing looks like, what the numbers look like, 58 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: what it looks like on video. But as I tell 59 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: players all the time, and you know this as well, 60 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: everybody in the game is trying to make their golf 61 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: swing better. Nellie Corda and Lydia Co on the women's side, 62 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: Scotti Scheffler, Rory mcaway on the men's slide. All four 63 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: of those players, or the best in the game are 64 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: trying to improve their technique, so that never changes. And 65 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that Harris City's trying to 66 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: get back to maybe getting away from technique, technique, technique 67 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: the way it looks the numbers and kind of get 68 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: back into heating shots and playing the game. How do 69 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: you feel like that balance happens for players and what 70 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: do you feel like has helped Harris kind of get 71 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: back into that play mode as opposed to technique because 72 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: Jpe we talk a lot, you send me swings, We 73 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: talk about our players that we work with, and Harris 74 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: can go down the technique work rabbit hole, right. Harris 75 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: is a worker. He believes that the secret is in 76 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: the dirt, but sometimes you can try and make it 77 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: so perfect. And that's what he said, We're all trying 78 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: to make it perfect. 79 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: Well, are you know? On our responsibility is as coaches. 80 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: You know we've also you and I have also talked 81 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: about the fact that you know you've got to You 82 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: got some guys who are just swing coaches, and they're 83 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: just there to do a job as a as a 84 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 3: as a swing coach, which is basically like a Formula 85 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 3: one technician in the pit lane, and they're not there 86 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: to help the driver navigate the turns. They're just there 87 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: to make sure the cars going as fast and as 88 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: efficiently as possible. In our sort of role. You've got 89 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: to be a little bit of both. And I think that, 90 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: you know, a couple of things on that. I think 91 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 3: with young players that I work with now, I try 92 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 3: and help educate them that they've got to be able 93 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: to flick between the responsibility of swinging the golf club 94 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 3: properly and swinging the golf club efficiently and managing their tendencies, 95 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: and they've got to then flick back into I need 96 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: to be a competitor. I need to be able to 97 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 3: go and play. I need to be able to leave 98 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 3: all of that behind. And I would say that the 99 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: ability to flick between those two, you know, whether we 100 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 3: think of those twos as left brain, right brain, or 101 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: whether they. 102 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: Think of those two as two different mentalities. The ability 103 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: to do that quickly. 104 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 3: I think sometimes to me separate some of the best 105 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: players in the world from some of the excellent PGA 106 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: Tour players. I mean, I've certainly had a lot of 107 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: golfers that I've worked for who struggle. 108 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: With that a little bit. 109 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: And I remember listening to Tiger Woods talking about the 110 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 3: fact that he can go from really breaking down his 111 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: technique and thinking very technically to you know, hitting his 112 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 3: windows and just being creative and being able to play. 113 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 3: And I think what Harris is an example of someone 114 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: who you know, is he's you know, he's a dad. 115 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 3: Now he's in his you know, he's in the he's 116 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 3: at the certainly the beginning of the second half of 117 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: his career, he's beginning to recognize that I need to 118 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: be somebody to win golf tournaments, and I also need 119 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 3: to be somebody else to be able to be efficient 120 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 3: enough to put myself in position that when I flick 121 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 3: that switch, I can go and win golf tournaments. And that's, uh, 122 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: you know, that's certainly a big responsibility of ours. And 123 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 3: I know you and I we try and we try 124 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: and break that puzzle all the time, and half the 125 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: time we were left wondering why it was so difficult 126 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 3: when they win, and how we're ever going to get them. 127 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 2: Back to that place when they're they're not hitting it 128 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: so good. 129 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: Harris is the type of player JP that has won 130 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: at every level of his golfing career. Like he's just 131 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: one of those guys. He's played the Walker Cup, you know, 132 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: he was a standout at Georgia. He was an accomplished 133 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: and then he's you know, an accomplished career on the 134 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: PGA Tour, turned pro in twenty twelve. It's made over 135 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: thirty million dollars. He's been on a Ryder Cup team. 136 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: Put that balance, JP, Why do you think that golfers 137 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: in general, but also at the elite level, JP, why 138 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: do you think sometimes players get out of the playing 139 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: of the game part of it and just get into 140 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: the technical part of it. You know, We've got a kid, 141 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,239 Speaker 1: Nico Daris, who works with us a lot on performance stuff, 142 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: and Niko, he's been on the party, doesn't come from 143 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: the golf background, and he said, I find it fascinating 144 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: the way people practice golf. It says, if you're trying 145 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: to play in the NBA and the only thing you 146 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: do is practice free throws, that's it. And you play 147 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,799 Speaker 1: the game and you evaluate what you did in the game, 148 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: and you look at the game, and then you just 149 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: go straight back to the free throw line and just 150 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: work on your shot and your technique. And there is 151 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: so much more to come peeting and playing. But the 152 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: trap of just technique, I mean, are we part of 153 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: the problem is instructors? You know, because I mean it's 154 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: it's fashionable to have people like us on your team 155 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: and stuff. But the balance of the playing of the 156 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: game and the technique of it. Why do you think 157 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,559 Speaker 1: you can go down the rabbit hole and think, Okay, 158 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: the only way I can get better is just to 159 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: make my golfing matter. 160 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: I think it. 161 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: From a from a perspective of just the common sense 162 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: of it. I think it's probably laziness and lifestyle that 163 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: takes them in the direction that they go in. You know, 164 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: I always look at the college systems in the States, 165 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: and when I talk to Harris and Brian about being 166 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: in Georgia, they were they were either qualifying, or they 167 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: were competing, or they were doing the gauntlet short. 168 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: Game drills, or they we haven't putting competitions. 169 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: And then when they move away from that, they get 170 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,559 Speaker 3: out on their own and all of a sudden, they're 171 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: you know, on a range, they're beaten balls. They're not 172 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: playing golf with their buddies as much. They're not as 173 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: competitive because they're not surrounded by as many people. And 174 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: as they reach kind of like adulthood, they start thinking, well, 175 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: if I make this golf swing better, then I'm going 176 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: to be better. 177 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: And I try and remind them all the time. 178 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 3: That you know, I need a blend of the way 179 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: that you were behaving as kids and the way that 180 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: you're behaving as adults, because undoubtedly, if if the if 181 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: the movement is incorrect and the shot patterns are terrible, 182 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: you can have the most competitive, wonderful mindset and you 183 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: can still go out and shoot seventy five. So again, 184 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 3: you know, our job is to ensure that they recognize 185 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: that if they're in a training, if they're in a 186 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: in a place where they're training their training, if they're 187 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 3: in a place where they're preparing, they're preparing, and whenever 188 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: they're they're able to perform, we should have we should 189 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 3: have prepared them for that. I agree that you know, 190 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: and I've tried to certainly try and make sure that 191 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: I'm not the problem. But you know, to your point, 192 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: sometimes when they're locked into that mentality of well, I 193 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 3: need to swing it better, and my teachers here. 194 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 2: Behind me, he needs to help me swing it better, 195 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: we can feed that. 196 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: We can feed that addiction, and some players are are 197 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: locked into that addiction so much so that they find 198 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: it very difficult to ever move into into that sort 199 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: of more play mode. And you know, your father and 200 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: you have told me great techniques to help move from 201 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 3: from one of those modes to the other. And I 202 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: think you know, any of the teachers you know watching 203 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 3: these types of podcasts need to recognize that, you know, 204 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: that's a big part of what we're doing all the time. 205 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: I worked with a kid the other day that Jean 206 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: Paul Abert, who's now the head coach at UNLV. He 207 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: was a longtime assistant at the University of Texas for 208 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: John Fields. He saw all their great players, his father 209 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: won the PGA. But this player came in. JP's a junior. 210 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: I mean, typical prototype college player that you see all 211 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: the time now, six one to six, three tons of speed, 212 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: hits at miles and really, like a lot of players 213 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: we see, JP somewhat lost. And he said that when 214 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: he played high school golf, he didn't think of anything right, 215 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: He just played. He just played the game. Didn't really 216 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: have a lot of tech thoughts, didn't really have a 217 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: lot of golf swing thoughts. But he said when he 218 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: got to college, everybody's got a launch monitor, everybody's working 219 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: on their drills, everybody's working on their swing. And he 220 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: said he went down this trap of thinking, Okay, I 221 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: need to constantly get golf balls on launch monitors. I 222 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: need to constantly work on that technique and the balance 223 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: for everyone listening, specifically JP, for the competitive golfers listening, 224 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: how do they navigate that execution technique? How much time 225 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: do you think they should be devoting to technique and 226 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: how much time should they be devoting to execution. 227 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 3: I think it's definitely going to be different from player 228 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: to player. I mean, again, if somebody's if somebody's not 229 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 3: moving well and not putting the golf club on the ball, well, 230 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: say they're a midam and they're they're not fine in 231 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: the fair way and they're going to try go try 232 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 3: and play in the US midimal, Well they've got to 233 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 3: They've got to fix up. So again, it's like we 234 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 3: always say, it's individual, it's individual to individual, and I'm 235 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 3: certainly they're some people who respond just find it being 236 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 3: on the range a lot. You know, we've seen Bja 237 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: Sing over the years standing beating golf balls in the range. 238 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 3: We've seen Sergio Garcia who never hardly hit a shot 239 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 3: even in a warm up, and Colin Montgomery who hit 240 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: I think he hit thirteen shots or something in his 241 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 3: warm ups. So you know again, I think everyone has 242 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 3: to be treated individually. I do believe though, if you're 243 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 3: going down that rabbit hole of technique and you're starting 244 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: to think about a lot of things in the golf course, 245 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: then I think you've got to get back to, you know, 246 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 3: hitting some shot shapes, doing some of your nine ball 247 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 3: drills like you and I have talked about going I 248 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: play golf with a half set, play from different tees, 249 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: you know, get creative. I mean, I try and also 250 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 3: remind people that as we go through life. I remember 251 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: meeting this rather eccentric old South African psychologist when it 252 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 3: was working on the European tour, and I think he'd 253 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: written a book called the Nine Stages of Life, and 254 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 3: it was like, every five years, how your mentality shifts 255 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 3: a little bit. So undoubtedly, when you're fifteen to twenty, 256 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: you know you haven't kind of reached full adulthood. Certainly 257 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 3: the guys havn't reached full adulthood. We're still in that 258 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: playful kind of creative stage. We don't remember the bad things, 259 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: we remember all the good things. From twenty to twenty five, 260 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 3: that shifts a little bit from twenty five to thirty, 261 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 3: that definitely shifts and by the time you get to 262 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 3: our stage you realize that, you know, there's an awful 263 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: lot of water under the bridge. So I mean educating 264 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: the players you know in that regard, And that's again 265 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: one of the other reasons why you have to treat 266 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: these people so so much as individuals. I mean, Harris 267 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: English is an adult. He recognizes that if he sucks 268 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: the golf club inside and closes the face on the 269 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 3: way back and hits pools, he has to fix that. 270 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 3: But at the same time he also now is really 271 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 3: starting to recognize that, well, I can't have to fix 272 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: that on a Monday. 273 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: Because I certainly can't be thinking about that an awful 274 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 2: lot on a Thursday. 275 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: When you look at Harry's golf swing, JP, what is 276 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: the DNA of what he does that makes him a 277 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: great player, that makes him a great ball striker. Because listen, 278 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: we used to go up when DJ was playing on 279 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: the PJ Tour. We play a lot of practice rounds 280 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: with him. I mean they were boys kind of in 281 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: that kind of same kind of age demographic, Southern boys 282 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So we would play a lot 283 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: of golf with Harrison. And when you watch him hit 284 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: golf balls. I mean, I mean, like I said in 285 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: the opening, it's impressive. So what is his DNA? What 286 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: does he do when he plays well like last week 287 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: and wins, and then what are the traps that he 288 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: gets into that calls him to not play his best golf? 289 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: You know, I think he was I think he was 290 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: coached really well. 291 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 3: And you know, Jan Reeves is one of the guys 292 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: that works at Sea Island with me. Is Keith Mitchell's coach, 293 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 3: and Chan's that I become a great friend of mine, 294 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 3: like yourself, and we talk about the golf swing a lot. 295 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: On Chan came up looking at Davis Love's golf swing, 296 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 3: and Harris idolized Davis Love, who incident at least recovering 297 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: really well from from a little surgery he's just had, 298 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 3: so we all wish him well. I think that Harris's 299 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: golf swing reverberates around width and balance and rhythm, and 300 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 3: I think we probably lump you and your dad and 301 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 3: stuff into that would all recognize those as wonderful traits 302 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 3: with great players having great rhythm, having great balance, having 303 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: great width. I think that potentially his overall education about 304 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 3: staying wide was one of the things that we've certainly 305 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 3: talked about a little bit. You know, he didn't quite 306 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: understand when the arms would sort of fold and when 307 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 3: the golf club would sort of fold and allow the 308 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 3: golf club to stay in front of his body as 309 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 3: opposed to him kind of sucking it a little bit 310 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 3: too far behind him. And I think that that has 311 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 3: found him out. I think that some of the physical 312 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: limitations that he's had. We know that he had the 313 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 3: Valentine's Day twenty twenty two, he had that fairly significant 314 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 3: surgery on his right hip, and he's always had a 315 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: very limited amount of internal rotation as right hip. I 316 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 3: remember you talking to me about Graham McDowell, I think 317 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: who you worked for for many years in European tour 318 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: and a similar sort of thing. So I think within 319 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: those physical limitations, especially on that trail side, we run 320 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: into some some situations where the backswing can get a 321 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: little bit less efficient, he can get into some reverse patterns, 322 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: which is you know, I'm happy to say, is an 323 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: awful lot better now. So, like you know, we talk 324 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 3: about a lot, the DNA tends to come from the 325 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 3: physicality of the player coupled with the influences the early 326 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: coaching sort of styles, and that brings great strengths and 327 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: some weaknesses that we have to keep tidy. 328 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: And I mean, we look at DJ's. 329 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 3: Golf swing that I kind of marvel at and we 330 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: can see that there are some things that he does 331 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 3: so so well and there's a couple of little things 332 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 3: that he needs to clear up. 333 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: And Harris is no different. 334 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: When Harris plays his best like last week, JK, what 335 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: shape is he trying to hit? 336 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: He loves his stock shot to be a fade, a. 337 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: Little bit of just kind of a bleeder to where 338 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: And that's interesting, jar Man, I think, tell this story. 339 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: You caddied for Harry earlier this year on the bag. 340 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: I've always I've done that, you know, a couple of 341 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: times and plast I'm years ago for the first ta 342 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: A Scott Cup. I caddy for Trevor Immomant for eighteen holes. 343 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: Is fascinating and carry the bag and be on the 344 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: bag in a competitive environment to see the way these 345 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: guys think, what was that like when you caddy form out. 346 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: I was in Napa, right, it. 347 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: Was in Napa. 348 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: He was, yeah, he was in in We were just 349 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: trying to figure a few things out. He'd been working 350 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 3: so hard and preparing well and looking great in this 351 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: preparation he we went out to NAPA. We I would 352 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: say that from my side, it helped me understand just 353 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: the sort of the energy that he brings to different shots, 354 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: certainly the potential to potentially over complicate some shots that 355 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: I think he needs to He needs to still kind 356 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: of frame and keep simple. I think when when some 357 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 3: people are put in uncomfortable positions, sometimes they get a 358 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 3: little bit more complex about the solutions as opposed to 359 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: just trying to keep it very simple. And we messed 360 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: up up a couple of you know, kind of complicated shots. 361 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: One shot off an uphill lie to a green that 362 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: sits from back to front, and he's got one thirty 363 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: eight and it's a you know, it's just a little 364 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: cam pitching wedge and even if he pulls it into 365 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: the middle of the green, it's not it's not one 366 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 3: of those shots even with a wedge, you're not going 367 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 3: to hit it very close. But he just, you know, 368 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 3: he kind of got muddled up with it and he 369 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: tried it a low cut off and upslope, and you know, 370 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 3: we so we we've talked about that so it was 371 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: a great way for me to see how he you know, 372 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 3: how he navigates those difficult situations. 373 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 2: Interesting player. 374 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: You know, when when you give him a number and 375 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 3: he needs to stretch an iron shot a little bit, 376 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: he's so so good at that. You know, he'd give 377 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: him a front left flag at you know, one one 378 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 3: eighty two and he hits his you know, he say, 379 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: he hits his eight iron one seventy one and it's 380 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,959 Speaker 3: three or four downhill, He'll stretch it a little bit 381 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: and get a little bit more out of it, and 382 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 3: it's it's interesting that and it also helped me to 383 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: understand how naturally he doesn't kind of like taking distance off. 384 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 3: He'd rather stretch a club three four yards than then 385 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: start to sort of take four or five yards off 386 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 3: a club. So you know, getting into like, well, exactly 387 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 3: how should he prepare, Like if he's got an uncomfortable 388 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 3: situation with a you know, with a with a wedge shot, 389 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 3: for example, he's probably better off hitting a harder shot, 390 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 3: even if it spins to the front edge. Then you know, 391 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 3: then sometimes trying to do a little bit too much 392 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 3: for it. So really understanding the DNA of the players, 393 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 3: it helps us a great deal. It's something I'd be 394 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 3: very open to. However, my record of miss cut silver 395 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 3: mid cups on the PGA Tour anyway would possibly suggest 396 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: they shouldn't hire me as a county. 397 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:19,959 Speaker 2: The eight felt anyway. 398 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: I coundied for Steve Elkington the week in New Orleans 399 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: and when I'm still in college, the week before he 400 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: won the his first Players Championship, we got paired with 401 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: Scott Hoak and chip Beck. Scott Hoak lifted out a 402 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: fifty footer on the first hole and threw the putter 403 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: and was complaining and complained for the entire eighteen holes. 404 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: And on Friday chip Beck missed the four footer to 405 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: make the cut and said to us, Caddy, you just 406 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: got to love having a chance to make the cut 407 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: out here. So that was the gauntlet of Scott hawk 408 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: mentality and chip Beck mentality. JP. Let's talk about the buttter. 409 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: I mean sometimes you'll pick up Harris English pudder and 410 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: the grip. There are putters at top golf that have 411 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: better grips than than the putter he's it's a putter 412 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: he's had. Did I see that since twenty and twelve? 413 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's been a few picked up on eBay. 414 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 3: You know, he's got a he's find a way that 415 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 3: he's find a way to grab a few more of them. 416 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: But yet this he calls it, it's the ping ho hum. 417 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: It's it's kind of there was a there was one 418 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: one after. 419 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 3: It looks like a kind of like a motorcyclist, you know, 420 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 3: the back of it. And it's just something I think 421 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 3: he's he's just got so used to. Yeah, he's not 422 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 3: a player that likes to change in awful lot of things. 423 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 3: He still plays with the titles PROB one, seventeen ball. 424 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 2: He's you know, he's been a he's been a ping 425 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: guy all his life. 426 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 3: He he doesn't he doesn't like an awful lot of flux. 427 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 3: You you almost need. You know, I took his three 428 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 3: wood out of his bag a month or two ago, 429 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 3: and I'm looking at it and I'm thinking this thing 430 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 3: is about I mean, this thing's old and it's about 431 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 3: to go. And you know, he really, you know, he 432 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 3: needs time to get into things. And uh, you know, 433 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 3: I think that some somewhat of a great strength. You know, 434 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 3: you and I have been great friends with Darren Clark 435 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 3: over the years, and Clarky told me a story. At 436 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 3: one time he won the English Open and during the 437 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: tournament he played with three sets of irons. 438 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: For Clarky and about nine thousand swing pots and oh yeah, 439 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: and he drove four different cars to the tournament. JP, 440 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: how much do you think Sea Island helps these guys? 441 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: I mean, Brian Harmon, you you live and work at 442 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: Sea Island. There is a crew of players there. A 443 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: lot of these guys grew up together. A lot of 444 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: these guys played college golf together. A lot of you 445 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: guys went you know, cashmeer Key, you know, Harry, Brian 446 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: Harmon all went to Georgia. That fraternity of players at 447 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: Sea Island. What do you think helps them about that? 448 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: I think there's a number of things. I think the 449 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 3: island is still very it's still a very comfortable place. 450 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 3: It's it's a place where those guys can go and 451 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 3: they can, you know, they can spend some time out doors, 452 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 3: they can spend some time on the water, they can 453 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 3: go to the local restaurants. People are kind of just 454 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 3: used to it all, so it's a very kind of 455 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 3: chilled out atmosphere. I think when they get on the 456 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 3: island they really feel like they can kind of decompress 457 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 3: an awful lot. There's not an awful lot of golf 458 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 3: feed type pressure on them. When you combine that with 459 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 3: the the you know, the facilities and the golf courses 460 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: that we have at Sea Island, with the Seaside Golf Course, 461 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 3: which is tends to be windy, has a lawful lot 462 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: of different little nuanced golf shots. The Plantation Course would 463 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 3: really good for wedge play and work, the Retreat Court 464 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: course across the street which is a really nice parkland 465 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 3: course where it's a little bit less played. We go 466 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 3: over there and spend a lot of time doing a 467 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 3: lot of our prep work. Ocean Forest which is a 468 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 3: fantastic golf courses hosted the Walker Cup recently been redone 469 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 3: and it's just an unbelievable condition. And the Performance Center 470 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: linking in with that, where we can you know, we 471 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 3: can put them on gears, we can get them on 472 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 3: swing cat we need to. 473 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 2: We've got the studios. 474 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 3: We've got an unbelievable putting studio there in a gym, 475 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 3: you know, and they've got we've got a staff of 476 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 3: people like me who who have different levels of experience 477 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: and different levels of training to help these guys so 478 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 3: from a golf perspective, it's like when they drive on 479 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 3: the island, they can decompress and then when they decide that, yeah, 480 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 3: I want to go and get a session with Rondy Myers, 481 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 3: with Tom Hemmings and get my get my my fitness 482 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 3: stuff back up and run and they drive a mile 483 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 3: and a half and they can do that. And then 484 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 3: you know, I'm a I'm around most of the time 485 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 3: when i'm you know, when I'm home, and they can they. 486 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: Can jump in a quick session with me. So it's 487 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: a I think it's a it's. 488 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 3: A relaxed performance atmosphere, maybe a little bit, probably quite 489 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 3: unique in the United States, and I think a lot 490 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 3: of those guys do benefit from it. 491 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: Obviously, with the success you've had with the players you 492 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: work with a major champion now and Brian Harmon, you're 493 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: working and you're being sought after JP by a lot 494 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: of young players. But these two just high speed South 495 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: Africans that you're working with whose names you can probably 496 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: pronounce better than I can. 497 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 2: I'll do the best. 498 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: I mean, these boys look like they can hit it. 499 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: And your boy had a chance to win on Sunday. 500 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, Aldrich Potchkiter, who is a you know, he's an 501 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 3: unbelievable young man. I'll try and get this right. They 502 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 3: moved down to Australia when he was a teenager. He 503 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 3: was playing yeah, and he he did a little bit 504 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: of wrestling and within like eight or twelve months he 505 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 3: was on the Australian national wrestling team. He's an incredible 506 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 3: strong fellow with a really strong bass and very very 507 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: gifted player. 508 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 2: You know, I'll be ben in your ear a few times. 509 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: He reminds me a little bit of DJ. Very very 510 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: strong grip, strong club face all the way through. 511 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 3: He is that kind of that that pivot that you know, 512 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 3: kind of beats the face all the time, likes to 513 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 3: fade it hits it about three point fifty in the air. 514 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 3: He's twenty years old and you know he recently a 515 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: chance to win down in Sun City. He played really 516 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 3: really good in Australia. I'm trying to help he and 517 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 3: his family navigate the toil of this travel that you know, 518 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 3: people are kind of think that they're getting used to. 519 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 3: It's it's a brutal type of thing to try and 520 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 3: be coming up and done from South Africa. Crystal Lamprecht again, 521 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 3: a player with a great pedigree, both amateur champions who 522 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 3: played in the Masters and played in that and and 523 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 3: major championships, and. 524 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: He went to Georgia Tech and very very unique golf swing. 525 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: I got to watch him a couple of years ago 526 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: warming up at the Open Championship and it was two 527 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: years ago, and he played really really well on the 528 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: first day, and then when the conditions got you know, 529 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: a little bit dicey. I was just like, you know, 530 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: when you watch the move that he's got JP, when 531 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: you're looking at these guys, now, I mean these they're 532 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: high speed guys, right, I mean there aren't There aren't 533 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: ten people in the game that hit it the way 534 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: these guys do speed wise. But as you know, speed 535 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: is great, but speed can also really really it hurts you, 536 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: and it's navigating with so much speed. How to actually 537 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: harness that and play the game? 538 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Aldric, you know, give you a couple 539 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 3: of examples within that. You know, Aldric's ability to hit 540 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 3: any sort of soft web shot with the amount of 541 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 3: lean and the amount of the strong strength of his 542 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 3: grip and things like that is challenging for him. So 543 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 3: we've given him some ways to navigate that. And then 544 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 3: whenever I speak to his caddy and nice Australian lad rants, 545 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 3: you know he works in meters. I say, well, how 546 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 3: far is he had an eight iron? He goes, oh, 547 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: like one hundred and seventy meters, that's one hundred and 548 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 3: eighty seven yards. Well, how far is he had a 549 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: seven iron? He it's like one one eighty nine meters 550 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 3: like two's So I say, well, like, what do you 551 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 3: guys do from like one ninety five? Like so all 552 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 3: of a sudden, you've got a twenty yard gap between clubs. 553 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: So it's crazy. 554 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 2: So with the speed that. 555 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 3: They have, they've also got to recognize that they have 556 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: to hit their numbers, especially you know, at the level 557 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 3: of golf that we're talking about now on the PGA 558 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 3: Tour and major championships, et cetera. Like you you can't 559 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 3: really be five and six yards off an awful lot, 560 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 3: you know, Christo's movement, with the amount of vertical that 561 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 3: he's that he's had, I see that as something that 562 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 3: we've softened a lot through improving his posture. I wanted 563 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 3: to look at that from a perspective of making his 564 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 3: driving more consistent and taking some pressure off his lower 565 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: back and particularly his left knee, and I think that 566 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 3: although he hasn't he hasn't complained about those things, but 567 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: I would imagine that were he to continue to swing 568 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 3: it the way he did when you watched him in Liverpool, 569 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 3: he probably would have would have struggled a little bit 570 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 3: with with some things there. So I'm you know, I 571 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 3: take that responsibility very seriously. It's a long path. We've 572 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 3: got short, medium and long term things that we're trying 573 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 3: to do. I'm delighted with Aldrich's progress. Christo had a 574 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 3: chance to win down in the Bahamas, and you know 575 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 3: those two guys, I have to keep reminding myself and 576 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 3: you'll keep remind me too, that when they're as good 577 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 3: as they are, they need to be winning golf tournaments 578 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 3: and putting themselves in positions. So doing what they did 579 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks should be what they're what 580 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: they're about. 581 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: Lastly, JP, I had him on the podcast right at 582 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: the end of last year. Ray Han Thomas, our boy 583 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: from Dubai making his way in professional golf now got 584 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: off to a really good start, top tended in the Bahamas. 585 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: To see JP, we do this, We get a lot 586 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: of accolades for some of the superstars we get to 587 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: work with, but you and I have a soft spot 588 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: for Ray. He was starting in our junior program when 589 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: he was nine years old. I mean, it's just so 590 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: damn cool to see all the stuff. I mean, you 591 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: and I don't work with him anymore. He's been doing 592 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: great work with Dana Dlquiz, But Ray's part of the family. 593 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: It's just so cool to watch him play. 594 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 3: And now I think the lovely the lovely thing about 595 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 3: Ray is I think he will always be part of 596 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 3: the family. Every time, yeah, every time he makes a verdie, 597 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 3: I get three or four texts from Dubai with people 598 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 3: his dad and Nick, Tara and all those sorts of guys. 599 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 3: And you know, I texted with him. Shooting sixty five 600 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 3: in the last day there and the Bahamas to finish 601 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 3: fourth was was fantastic. Dana and I have talked a lot. He's, 602 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 3: you know, one of the best guys out here, and 603 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 3: I'm just so I'm thrilled that Ray has found his feet, 604 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 3: you know, after a really tough time really for two 605 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 3: or three years, it could have gone a different direction 606 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 3: for him. But as you and I saw with him. 607 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 3: Load of the ground you used to call him. You know, 608 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 3: he turned up and he just he kept playing, He 609 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 3: kept working, and he kept working, and he would, you know, 610 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 3: he would. He would always exhibit the greatest attitude and 611 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 3: the greatest ability to be a wonderful human being when 612 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 3: when things were going well and when things were going badly. 613 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 3: And I think, I like you love the fact that 614 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 3: he's part of the family, and I'm just delighted to 615 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 3: see him playing good Because I got to. 616 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: Be honest with you those first two years at Oklahoma State. 617 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: If you would have told me after the start that 618 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: he had that OSU and the struggles that he had 619 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: the driver of City got JP. If you told me 620 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: he was finishing top five on a corn ferry event 621 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: after graduating in twenty twenty five, I got to be 622 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: honest with you. I would go, Wow, that's a big turnaround, 623 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: because he was lost, Like he got to college and 624 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: was a deer in the headlights and the way that 625 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 1: he has and in talking to him, and when he 626 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: was on the pod, he was doing all the right 627 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: stuff that you were trying to do to get better. 628 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: He was going, Okay, I'm going to practice more. I'm 629 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: going to spend more time on the range. I'm going 630 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: to spend more time on that technique. And he went 631 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole JP of in an effort to 632 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: try and get better. He got worse. And I think 633 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: it is a testament to him as a person as 634 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: much as it is to him as a player that 635 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: he fought through that and he has found his own 636 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: way to get to where he is today. 637 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe that's one of the things that he 638 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: had to do. He had to find his own way, 639 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 3: and that's you know, that's part of the journey that 640 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: they have and part of what he's done I think 641 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 3: has been so impressive is that whilst he's he's looked 642 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 3: in different cobby holes for different information. Everybody who's who's 643 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 3: worked with him, from Danny Lucas to yourself to Dana, 644 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: we all share an affinity for him, and we all, 645 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 3: you know, we all believe in him, and we all 646 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 3: know that this is the start of it and an 647 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: interesting journey. 648 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 2: You know. 649 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 3: We've got to remember when he was sixteen years old 650 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 3: at the Dubai Creek Tournament, he made ten verdies in 651 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 3: a row. I think it was it, shot sixty two 652 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 3: in a professional event. So the pedigree was always there 653 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 3: with Ray and to be able to maintain that attitude 654 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 3: and be able to maintain that positivity when things, frankly 655 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: were going sideways, and for him to come out the 656 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 3: other side, I think he's going to find a great 657 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 3: deal of strength in that. 658 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 2: There's there's a there's a strength in that that could 659 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: lead him to great things in the future. 660 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more Rider Cup for Harry. I mean, 661 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: that's got to be the goal this year, right, keep 662 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: playing good and get some get it, get in this 663 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: contention in some of these majors, and and have a 664 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: good chance to be on that writer. I mean, I 665 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: know that there are a lot of guys on the 666 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: team that would like him on that team. 667 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that'd be a great goal 668 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 3: for him. You know, it was it was lovely to 669 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 3: sit down yesterday though he came down with this stomach 670 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 3: fluid that's been going around the West coast, so we 671 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 3: didn't see him yesterday, but to sit down and go 672 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 3: through his schedule and start to plan the way that 673 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 3: that would look. You know, he's got the opportunity to 674 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 3: go back to Tory Pines in two weeks and playing 675 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 3: the Genesis, which is going to be pretty cool for him. 676 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 3: As we've talked about, he loves difficult golf courses. With 677 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 3: being in all of the majors, now I kind of automatically, 678 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 3: so we'll, you know, we'll keep chipping away. I think 679 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 3: it's it's a great way to start the season based 680 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 3: on that ability for him to go all right, I 681 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 3: did all this good training work through December and into January. 682 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: I flicked the switch with my mentality and saw how 683 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: that was. 684 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 3: I was able to transition that into into winning a 685 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 3: golf tournament. If he can continue that type of that 686 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 3: blend of those two mentalities, then. 687 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: Who knows what he could do. 688 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: Well, you're doing a great job. Keep keep getting the better, 689 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: and we will catch up soon. Thanks to Age Justin 690 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: Parson on The Son of a Book's podcast rate Review. 691 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. We will see you 692 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: next week.