1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. This is a case that 2 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: will live in infamy, regardless of the verdict, for years 3 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: to come. And in the last days more information about 4 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: the brutal shooting of a young man in the prime 5 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: of his life. Why because of hatred, prejudice, bigotry. As 6 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: the mother of twins now thirteen, including a boy, the 7 00:00:54,480 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: thought that somewhat would fall hellow him as he is 8 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: jogging in their vehicle like they were hunting, loaded with 9 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: weapons and shoot my son. But according to the facts 10 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: as we know them now, that is what happened. To 11 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: a modar Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. All across the country, 12 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: people are watching this case waiting for justice. Take a 13 00:01:53,800 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: listen to this. Here there's a guy in the house 14 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: right and round the house under constructions, and do you 15 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: have your address or the other that house of the address? Uh? 16 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: Right at two nineteen or two twenty. Stealer drives and 17 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: he said, tell of them breaking into it right now. No, 18 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: it's it's all open. It's under constructions. And he's running 19 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: right now, very good, he's right now. Okay, what is 20 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: he doing? He's running down the streets hopeful. Okay, back here, okay, 21 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: that's fine. I'll getting them out there. I didn't even 22 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: know what he was doing wrong. Was he just on 23 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: the premises they're not supposed to be looking stuff on her? 24 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: And you've been caught on the camera a bunch before 25 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: nineteen have an all one thing out here. The man 26 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: is fielding the house. He got parte. He's I think 27 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: he's not going to finishing shirt. Okay, that's fine. And 28 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: you said it was a mail in a black T shirt, 29 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: that white T shirt. Black guy, white T shirt. And 30 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: he's done back and run back. You're hearing the nine 31 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: one one calling at this moment. Amant Aubrey is still alive, 32 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: and it sounds like the guy is talking about an animal. 33 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: He's running. Look at him like, I don't even understand 34 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: what that has to do with the nine one one call. 35 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: But let's hear more from the nine one one call. 36 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: Listen with the addressing emergency. I'm not here as a 37 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: black male running down where where? Where? At Steller's shorts? 38 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what three girl about? That is it? 39 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: Stop grati, sir? Hello, sir? Sure where are you at? 40 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: You can hear him screaming at amar At Aubrey. She 41 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: stopped right there, and of course amant Aarbury keeps running 42 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to break you down 43 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: and put it back together again. In the last day, 44 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: significant advances in the case have occurred. Levi Page Trim 45 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: Online dot Com, investigative reporter, Professor forensics Jacksonville State University, 46 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and star 47 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,119 Speaker 1: of a brand new hit series, Poisonous Liaisons on True 48 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator Psychoanalysts joining us 49 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: from Beverly Hills on INSTA doctor Bethany Marshall. Lee Merritt, 50 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: renowned lawyer joining us. Lee Merritt EESQ for Esquire dot 51 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: Com representing the mother of Ahmad Aubrey, who is with 52 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: us now, Wanda Cooper Jones. In the last hours, there 53 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: has been not only a bond hearing to let the 54 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: shooters out of jail, that's the point of a bond hearing, 55 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: but a preliminary hearing as well where we learn a lot. 56 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: But I want to go first to miss Cooper Jones, ma'am, 57 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, Thank you for having 58 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: me hopeful. You know, Miss Cooper Jones just playing that 59 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: nine one one call. There was a reason I would 60 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: always play it for juries, because it takes you back 61 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: to the moment of the incident. But I hated playing 62 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: it knowing you were listening. But I bet you've heard 63 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: it before. What comes to your mind when you hear 64 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: these guys ordering your son who's out jogging to stop. 65 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm so heartbreaking to know that when those calls are 66 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: being placed in them, all was actually still alive. It's 67 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: just pretty far, you know, Miss Cooper Jones. I always 68 00:05:55,240 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: wonder about the murder of my fiance many years ago, Keith. 69 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: He was shot five times in the back, the face, 70 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: the neck. I wonder what he endured in the last 71 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: moments of his life. I wonder about what was he thinking, 72 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: What was going through his mind as this happened. Do 73 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: you wonder that about Ahmad every day? Every day? It's 74 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: very hard to think that he was clueless all was 75 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: about to happen. I mean, my mom had began doing 76 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: laudry before he went out for his jog. When I 77 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: returned home, his closest to live a dry air and 78 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: he picked clothes also in the washer where he anticipated 79 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: coming back and finishing his lawgry. Not normally he would 80 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: never return. I just taking in what you're telling me 81 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: and thinking, you know, the shooters described him being in 82 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: a house that was under construction, and I've been exactly 83 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: to this neighborhood and this scene. When we were growing up, 84 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: we were in such a rural area, Miss Cooper Jones, 85 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: that when somebody would build a house, it was, you know, 86 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: a wonderment and we would all go in the house 87 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: and you know the construction of the house and look 88 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: around and say, oh, this is going to be their 89 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: bedroom and this is going to be the entryway because 90 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: it was open and we could go in there and 91 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: see the house being built and never really thought anything 92 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: of it. When you first got the news that Ahmad 93 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: had been shot? What happened? How did you discover what 94 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: had happened? Um? I was actually in Wayne spread Wi 95 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: am on today. I'm lying on the couch and my mom, 96 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: my mom was sitting in her recliner. I was lying 97 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: on the on the couch and I got a call 98 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: from a from an unknown number and I answered the 99 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: call and there was visted the investigator who identified this 100 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: Stuffs and my brother Um Green counter Coaching department and 101 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: told me how my had been a blocked up in 102 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: a burglary. Well wait, I'm sorry, did you just say 103 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: you were told your son had been involved in a burglary? Yes, 104 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: ma'am okay, And then he said, and then missus. The 105 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: burglary a mom was still funded by the homeowner, and 106 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: unfortunately there was a fight over the weapon and my 107 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: mom was shot killed. And he had only been out 108 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: of the house. How long? Um, I wasn't there because 109 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 1: I had traveled a weekend, so I'm not I'm sure 110 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: he wasn't gone that long because my neighbor told me 111 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: that he saw him tryably to believe in the house. 112 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: It was a long for it. They was told that 113 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: he was shot and kill so he wasn't gone bed 114 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: But all time stories with Nancy Grace, we are talking 115 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: about the sudden, kind upsetting death of a young man 116 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: in the prime of his life, the apple of his 117 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: mother's eye. To this day we're wondering why what happened? 118 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: Why did Ahmad get chased down and shot? With me? 119 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: Is his mother Wanda Cooper Joe her lawyer Lee Merit 120 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: in an awesome panel to make sense of at all. 121 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: In the last days, there has been a bond hearing 122 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: to let the shooters out of jail. That was their 123 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: wish as well as a preliminary hearing. I want to 124 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: go now to Miss Cooper Jones's lawyer, Lee Merit. You're 125 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: a veteran trial lawyer. A preliminary hearing is really a 126 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: field day for the defense because at a prelium it's 127 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: simply the state putting up enough evidence to get the 128 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: case bound over for trial or bound over it's sent 129 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: to the right court. Should it be a shoplifting, should 130 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: it be a misdemeanor, should it go to felony court. 131 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: But it gives the defense the opportunity to explore and 132 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: test the state's witnesses that they normally don't have prior 133 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: to trial. Mister Merrick, what did you learn from the 134 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: preliminary hearing? And well, yeah, it's often the closest thing 135 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: to a death position that you'll get in criminal court. 136 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: And I have to tell you that this preliminary hearing, 137 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: the judges were worked on us a couple of times 138 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: and to produce such a volumes record because this was 139 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: an extensive preliminary hearing, we learned not only about you know, 140 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: some of the ongoings in that community, that there were 141 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: a group of men who decided to patrol essentially the community, 142 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: that they were organized to a Facebook Internet group, that 143 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: they were getting some advisement at least from the Glen 144 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: County Police Department, and in a lot of ways that 145 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: Glenn County pt were deferring to these men for safety 146 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: concerns in the community, but not really safety, because I 147 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: guess I should take property concerns. But beyond that, we 148 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: also learned about Gregory Travis McMichael, and there the racist 149 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: motivation for their not only accusation of a Modelbaria, but 150 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: ultimately their their decision to a costume with William Roddy 151 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: Brian and in his last moments. Well, I learned a 152 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: lot from the hearing and whether this case is about 153 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: racism or not, this if the facts as we know 154 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: them are true, this is a clear murder, one with 155 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: multiple perpetrators pursuing an unarmed individual who has not been 156 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: proven to have committed any wrongdoing. And even if he 157 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: had been in a home under construction, even if he 158 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: had taken something, which let me be clear, he did not. 159 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: Even cops can't chase down a fleeing felon from a 160 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: burglary and shoot them dead. No, the person you're chasing 161 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: has to present a threat that they're going to hurt 162 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: you or somebody else. This guy was out jogging for 163 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: Pete's sake, but I learned something very very disturbing. Take 164 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: a listen to Kelly Wiley w j XT four. During 165 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: the hearing, Gregg McMichael's wife and Travis's mother took the stand, 166 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: so did Greg McMichael's doctor, and a slew of Travis's 167 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: longtime friends. Several of the witnesses say they would be 168 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: willing to put up their own property as collateral for 169 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: bond for the former Coastguard member and father, but the 170 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: Steve had questions for one of Travis's longtime friends. Do 171 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: you recall that text exchange between you and defendant Travis 172 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: McMichael in which he was talking about shooting a black 173 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: with gold team that had a high point for five. 174 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: He was referring to a record. The next day, Judge 175 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: Walmsley said he was concerned testimony from the witnesses was biased. 176 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely what he is talking about. And mister Lee Merritt, 177 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: the lawyer for miss Cooper Jones and Mod's mother and 178 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: Wanda Cooper Jones, they're both with us. So I ain't 179 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: even say it out loud because it's so hateful. So 180 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: tell me Lee. One of the shooters send a text 181 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: after a mod has been shot stating that he he 182 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: texted about shooting a black c oo in with gold teeth, 183 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: and then later had someone state that he was into 184 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: a raccoon. That's right, I am, I understanding this right, 185 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: and that is self described as Travis the shooters best 186 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: friends the childhood for him, they grew up together and 187 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: they went on hunting expeditions together. And so I mean, 188 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: this has been the narrative that has been most prominent 189 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: about the murder of a mob, that it appeared that 190 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: these men were all hunting something that hunters do as 191 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: they brag about what they did, they share pictures of it, 192 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: they take video, and this is what he was doing 193 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: and sending the text describing killing that black coon with 194 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: gold teeth high point forty five in Newports. It was 195 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: really really disturbing. It shocked me when I heard them court, 196 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. The judge took a moment when 197 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: denying the bond hearing to say, if this was the 198 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: best character witness that you could call for Travis and 199 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: he lied, of course about what he said. Oh, actually 200 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: we were described describing the raccoon, and we're being facetious. 201 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: I doubt the young man knows how to feel that word, 202 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: but that's what he offered as an explanation. Miss Cooper Jones. 203 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: Were you in the courtroom when this testimony occurred? I 204 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:16,239 Speaker 1: was what it must be like to hear people bragging 205 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: about shooting your son and referring to him as an 206 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: animal with gold teeth. And this is after the shooting, which, 207 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: if the facts are as we believe them to be, 208 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: as we know them to be at this time, shows 209 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: absolutely no remorse at all. He is making fun of Ahmad. Again. 210 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: It's just showed me that the value Mama's life at all. 211 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: Mama wasn't wasn't a human. And again I hate to 212 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: keep saying that it breaks my heart, but this case 213 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: really breaks my heart over and over again. What led 214 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: you to be in the courtroom throughout the hearing, Miss 215 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: Kaper Jones? When I had the day that A laid 216 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: them to rest was the twenty ninth of February, My 217 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: last first summer was you know, I will find out 218 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: what happened. And with telling them that I think it's 219 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: my duties is mom to be in the courtroom each 220 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: time Mama's name is called, and that's what I plan 221 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: to do. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. We were talking 222 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: about the recent legal events in the case of Ahmad 223 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: Rbury who shot dead to Leavipage climb online dot com 224 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: investigative reporter. For those that are not familiar with the case, 225 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: please give me a description of what happened the day 226 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: Ahmad Armory, just twenty five years old, was shot dead. So, Nancy, 227 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: this is in Brunswick, Georgia, Glenn County, a coastal community, 228 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: very beautiful and in that neighborhood is Sentilla Shores, residential 229 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: large oak trees with Spanish moss draping down. Then it 230 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: looks peaceful. But what happened February twenty third was not. 231 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: Gregory McMichael. He's sixty five years old. He called ninety 232 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: one one. He says a man walked around a house 233 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: that was under construction and he was running away, And 234 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: as he was on the phone with nine one one, 235 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: he and his son, thirty four year old Travis McMichael, 236 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: jumped in a pickup truck armed with guns and chased 237 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: him and another man, William Roady Bryan followed him. And 238 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: that man, William Bryant, actually videoed this pursuit of this 239 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: unarmed Ahmed Arbury, and we know that it was caught 240 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: on video. They caught up with him in their vehicle. 241 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: Travis McMichael got out, tried to confront him. Ahmed Aarbury 242 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: tried to run away. They're outside of the phone camera's view. 243 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: You hear arguing and then you hear gunshots and Ahmed 244 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: Aarbury is shot dead. He was shot twice in the chest, Nancy. 245 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: And you know what's very disturbing is that William Bryan 246 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: said after Travis McMichael shot Ahmed Arbury, as he was 247 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: on the ground dying, he muttered the words effing inward. 248 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: You know, Lee Merritt, you tried a lot of cases, 249 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: as have I. Is there ever a moment in court 250 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: where you just stop still, just almost like it hints 251 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: you in the face, the hate and the perversion people 252 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: have toward each other. I mean, are you just used 253 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: to it by now because you've thought you fought so 254 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: many racial battles? Is it just like water off a 255 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: duck's back to you? Because it's still just It actually 256 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: makes me feel sick to my stomach to hear about 257 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: the hatred people have toward each other. It was that 258 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: moment in court when Travis Michael's cole defended explained what 259 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: he said to a mind as he laid down on 260 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: the ground, and you're right, I've seen a lot of death. Unfortunately, 261 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: the vast majority of the families that I work with, 262 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: I've had a level and kill to violence or hatred, 263 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: and you can become numbed to it, but it's it's 264 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: it's the evil behind those words. In that moment, a 265 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: young man, for whatever reason that he may have justified 266 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: in his head, was dying in front of him, and 267 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: he only wanted to keep one last insult on him 268 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: as he left this earth. It broke, It broke my heart, 269 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: and it snapped something inside of me. Honestly, I'm I. 270 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: I like to hold my composure because I know families 271 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: need that from me. They do, and I could not 272 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: in that moment. You know, Lee, there were times in 273 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: court when we'd be on a we'd get a recess 274 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and I would tell the victim's family 275 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: just wait right here, I'll be right back, and I 276 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: would go to a run up the stairs. Nobody ever 277 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: uses the stairs in the courthouse. They all use the elevator. 278 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: I'd run up the exit stairs one floor up to 279 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: the ladies' bathroom and go in the furthest stall and 280 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: just get it together, yeah, and go back down to 281 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: the courtroom. So I like you in court would appear 282 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: strong for them, because that is what they need. They 283 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: don't need you falling apart. They don't need you giving 284 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: in to the hate that's being heaped upon this young man. 285 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: We learned a lot Joseph Scott Morgan with me, renowned 286 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: death investigator. What do we learn about Ahmad's injuries? And 287 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: what I'm getting at, specifically, jose Scott, is to show 288 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: that Ahmad was not the aggressor in any way. I 289 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: already know he's on foot, he's unarmed, and he's being 290 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: chased by a vehicle by a group by two men 291 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: and a videographer for Pete's sake, trailing. I already know that. 292 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: But what can you tell me specifically about the autopsy? Well, 293 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: l autopsy is you know, for whatever reason, I think 294 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: that it is very fortunate in the sense that it's 295 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: performed by one of the most renowned forensic pathologists in 296 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: the country. Doctor Edmund Donna, who who was who's now 297 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: in Savannah as the former chief medical examiner in Chicago, 298 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: and he did a very thorough job. And let me 299 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: just so folks understand, because there's some confusion here relative 300 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: to these horrible comments that were made in the past 301 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: about the high point a mod was killed with a shotgun. Nancy, 302 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: this is and this is what is so egregious and 303 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: striking about this. This is not like someone who is 304 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: using a concealable pistol in their pocket and they pull 305 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: it out. This is a long gun that they're literally 306 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: chasing him down with and you can hear the shots 307 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: being fired on the video. We've all seen this. Unfortunately, 308 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: a man sustained to what doctor Donna who is referred 309 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: to as two shotgun wounds. And these both fired at 310 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: close range. And when you take a look at the 311 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: videography here you can get an idea for the range. 312 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: It's they closed on him, the individual with a shot 313 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: gun closed on him, and the muzzle is literally pointed. 314 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: If folks at home will just imagine the left side 315 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: of their chest. Okay, he sustained one that was kind 316 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: of in center mass like right over your stern, m 317 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: slightly to the left, and another that it's like superior 318 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: to the left breast area. And it left him with 319 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: these large, large shotgun pellets. It's actually buck shot contained 320 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: within his body. And when Donohoe talks about this, he 321 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: talks about this from the perspective of that it is 322 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: close range. This is not like you're firing at a 323 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: great distance, Nancy. The ammunition that was used in this case, 324 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: the reason it's called buck shot is because it's it 325 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: was originally designed so that hunters could use it to 326 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: kill deerwit bucks. Okay, And so he was actually hunted 327 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: down in the street and shot at close range with 328 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: a very very powerful way. Hold on, before you go 329 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: any further, you brought something up in my mind to 330 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: missus Cooper Jones. This is Ahmad Albory's mom. When you 331 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 1: know what I think? I think, Missus Cooper Jones, if 332 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: it had not been for that video emerging, there would 333 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,239 Speaker 1: have never been a prosecution. As the days in the 334 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: weeks passed and nothing happened after Ahmad was shot. What 335 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: was going through your mind? Had you accepted that there 336 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: would be no prosecution? What were you just so heartbroken 337 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: after his death. He didn't care what was going through 338 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: your mind at that time before the video emerged, I 339 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: knew that I had to I knew that I had 340 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: to pull myself together to find out what it is 341 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: that going to happen. Once I learned from the local 342 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: newspaper later that week that Ahmad was chased down, and 343 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: the newspaper articles stated that there was two or more 344 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: men standing over the disease man, and there was two 345 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: or more weapons evolved, I knew that something shady had happened, 346 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: and I knew that I really had to push to 347 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: see what really happened, and that's what I did, Lee Merritt. 348 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: You know, I'm so used to angry people, angry victims' 349 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: families as they should be, angry cops, angry witnesses. What's 350 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: it like to have a lady like miss kiper Jones? 351 00:26:50,960 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: Is your clients so calm, so articulate, so almost she's 352 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: an example for everybody else. That's really rare. I mean, 353 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: you've got to get in there, and you've got to 354 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: be the bad guy. You've got to be the tough 355 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: you understand, of course, right right. She's so mild mannered 356 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: and so soft spoken. You know that's rare, right, Yeah, 357 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: And it's and I tell her this um at this 358 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: last hearing, she saw that video early supportion of the 359 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: video for the first time that we will announcing and 360 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure hearing the injuries described after watching that video, 361 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: and she couldn't sit through it. A man was exceptional 362 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. She raised an exceptional son, 363 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: and it's because she's an exceptional woman, and it's it's 364 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: it hurts to even have her revisited. But the strength 365 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: that she displayed was displayed in her son, even in 366 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: his last moment, as these men set upon him and 367 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: he fought for his life. I know she takes a 368 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: great deal of silas and it reminds me of how 369 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: hard we have to fight. Her legal team maestified in 370 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: the people who are standing up for her because he 371 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: fought to his last moment and he fought bravely, and 372 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: she just exudes so much power, dignity, and respect. I 373 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: want her to know that she can, she can set 374 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: her armor down for a moment and begin to heal, 375 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: as as the people that she's entrusted to take on 376 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: this fight. I will fight and continue to fight for her. 377 00:28:51,840 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: Until we have some semblance of justice crime stories with 378 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace and a bond. Hearing these perps want out 379 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: on bond, let me just cut the chase. They didn't 380 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: get a bond, They're not going to get out. But 381 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: I want you to hear from the defense in this case. 382 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: Hear what they are saying. Take a listen to our 383 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: friends at k excuse me, w j X TV news 384 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: for defense teams for the McMichaels, saying, the McMichaels didn't 385 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: follow our breed because of his race, but out of 386 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: concern for their neighborhood. This case isn't about grace your honor. 387 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: This case, in the indictment, is about whether or not 388 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: the private citizens arrest law and the justification statutes allowed 389 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: Greg McMichael to do what he chose to do that 390 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: day for the sole purpose of defending his family and 391 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: his property in his community. The judge in the case 392 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: denied on for both McMichael's, saying the video shows a 393 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: significant risk and threat of danger. Mont's mother says she's 394 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: relieved the tools stay in jail. Day was a good 395 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: day defending family, property and community. They were chasing a 396 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: guy in a vehicle and he's running on foot unarmed, 397 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, to you doctor Bethany Marshall's psycho, Alan's joining 398 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: me out of Beverly Hills. Not about race, Nancy, Not 399 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: about race. They texted after that they shot a black 400 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: c o O. And I'm not even gonna say it 401 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: because I don't want my children to ever think their 402 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: mother uttered such a thing with gold teeth. How can 403 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: this not be about It's actually it's about hate. That's 404 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: what it's about, pure hate, and Nancy. Not only is 405 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: it about race, hate, malice, it's predatory. We use that 406 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: term so many times in society, but predatory means cold 407 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: blooded without remorse. That there's kind of a thrill of 408 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: the hunt, you know. I this sounds like they're talking 409 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: like hunters talk. If you've ever talked to a hunter 410 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: or somebody who likes to shoot, you know, elk or 411 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: deer or something like that, they love to tell very 412 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: long stories about like I sat in the stand and 413 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: then I was looking all day, you know, out at 414 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: the deer, and then the buck came here, and then 415 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: I looked them in the eyes. And there's a lot 416 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: of methodical planning to kill their prey and there's a 417 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: great delight, there's a thrill. And I'm sorry to say 418 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: this with the family members on the show, but I 419 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: think that these two father and son murders were hunters, 420 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: but they were hunting a human being instead of an animal, 421 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: and they equated a human being to an animal. And 422 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: then they breaked afterwards, like you're breaking about a trophy, 423 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: like somebody who holds up you know, goes on safari 424 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: in Africa and then then shoots photos of a lion 425 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: or or you know, sitting on top of an elephant, 426 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: and how thoughtless and cold hearted it is. So I 427 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: don't know. We can say racism, malist hate, but it's 428 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: also equating a human being with an it or an animal. 429 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: And a mod was so beautiful, twenty five years old, 430 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: jogging through a neighborhood. I've listened to so many stories 431 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: about his life. I know that on his sports team, 432 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: he would help the other members, he helped the coach. 433 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: This was a high school student, a sibling, a son, 434 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: a beloved member of the community, and all he was 435 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: doing was looking after his health. That's all he was doing. 436 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: Just the thought that they would send these texts back 437 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: and forth basically laughing about shooting Ahmad. This is a 438 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: case that has brought down a district attorney. Take a 439 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: listen to our cut seventeen. It's Kelly Wiley a w 440 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: j XT News for voicemail to the district attorney. State prosecutor. 441 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: Jesse Evans played a voicemail gregging Michael left for current 442 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: district Attorney Jackie Johnson after his son shatamat Aubrey. Johnson 443 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: is his former boss. He worked in her office for 444 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: more than twenty years as her investigator. The shooting was 445 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: technically hers to prosecute before it was handed to a 446 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: new district attorney, Jackie, This is great. Did you call 447 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: me possibly? Can I've been involved in the studio and 448 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: I need advice a way to please call me? Steve 449 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: said they were not suggesting the district attorney helped me 450 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: Michael or called it back. Johnson recused herself from the 451 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: case three days after the shooting, but not before calling 452 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: another district attorney who agreed to accept the case. To you, 453 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: Lee Mara, this is miss Wander Cooper Jones's lawyer. No 454 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: stranger to a courtroom. What happened to that? In DA 455 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: The one that took that message in the last election, 456 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: Cycloda Jackie Johnson was voted out of office. To add 457 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: to that, she is under federal investigation for corruption and 458 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: for her role in covering up the murder of a 459 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: mode of arbery. As you know, the men went for 460 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: almost seventy three days without facing any of her arrests. 461 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: No arrest, no, nothing. Slowly, slowly, the case is progressing. 462 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: To you, mister Merritt. The case is now going to 463 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: be tried, and I believe Cobb County is that correct. 464 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: It's being handled by the Cobb County Attorney's Office or 465 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: DA's office. The venue is still a progress. I say, 466 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: I say, I want to go back to Miss Cooper Jones. 467 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 1: Is a MOD Aubrey's mom. Could you just share with 468 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 1: me your most vivid memory of a MOD growing up? Um? Well, 469 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: I have so many, because I've gone through him more 470 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: than once. But I was angry with the MOD one day. 471 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: He had done something at school and he comes in 472 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm giving him some giving him some 473 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, some some good words of advice. But he 474 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: would live think so at the time, and you know 475 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: he's just he's just sitting to the dining room table. 476 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: He's just staring at me, and he's just staying it. 477 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: He's not saying anything. He's just staying because he's staying 478 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: at me because he wants them look in his direction 479 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 1: so he can smile, because he knows if he smiles 480 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: at me, you know, if I'm angry, I'm not gonna 481 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: be any anymore. And I just remember him sitting there, 482 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: just staring, and I was I'm fine not to look 483 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: at him, because I know that's what he's trying to do. 484 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 1: But I couldn't help it, and I looked at him 485 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: and that he was at the diningroom table. We're just 486 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: looking at his mama with a big old smile on 487 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: the twice and then we ended that that little talk 488 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: when we got onto something else. But he would do 489 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: little things like that because he knew I mean, he 490 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: knew that. And I'm looking at him right now, and 491 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: this must have been his graduation photo. He looks like 492 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: he's got on a tuxedo and he's got that smile, 493 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: those big brown eyes. It looks like he's looking right 494 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: at me when I'm looking at him. I remember that 495 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: day to be drolling to Zack for we over have 496 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: those photos taken, and he was such a hurry because 497 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: he wanted to get back. He probably to go to 498 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: the team center. He was such a hurry that day 499 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: because he got to get back for a certain times 500 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: to go to They had a local team center that 501 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: he'd like you to attend every Saturday, and he was 502 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: in such a big rush, Miss Keeper Jones. Please know 503 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: that people all across the world are lifting you up 504 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: in prayer and demot as well. Please know that, yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am. 505 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: I want to thank you guys, thank you fall the support, 506 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: thank you for all the prayers, and they're very much appreciated. 507 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: We wait as justice un false Nancy Grace crime story. 508 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: Signing off goodbye for