1 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: A spike in violent crime around the country, organized gangs 2 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: of thieves looting stores around the Bay Area, and violent 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: criminals freed from jails to run the streets. What are 4 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: they all have in common? They're the result of progressive 5 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: prosecutors and far left criminal justice reform. In this special 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: edition of Hold the Line, we take a deep dive 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: into the dangerous pose by the disorder in America's prosecutors offices. 8 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to this special edition of Hold the Line. I'm 9 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton. We know that there are progressive prosecutors across 10 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: the country. We know that there is a left wing 11 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: effort to make our criminal justice system, make the courts 12 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 1: themselves less harsh on more lenient too, and sometimes even 13 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: far too permissive of criminality. Now, they would have you believe, 14 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: and just recently even Jensaki at the White House made 15 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: this claim that the mass looting you see on these 16 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: videos that go viral, where they have perhaps dozens of people, 17 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: all an organized fashion breaking into a high end store 18 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: and stealing over one hundred thousand dollars sometimes of goods merchandise. 19 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: Somehow that's caused by the pandemic. That's what they want 20 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: you to think. Here's Jensaki at the West Wing. So 21 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: when I huge group of criminals organizes themselves and they 22 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: want to go loot a store and CVS nordstrum a 23 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: home depot until if the shelves are clean, do you 24 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: think that's because of the pandemic. I think a root 25 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: cause in a lot of communities is the pandemic. Yes, 26 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: a root cause is the pandemic. She can't really believe that, right, 27 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. She's not that bright. Maybe she does. 28 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: That's there have been huge changes in the approaches of 29 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: people in prosecutor's offices and even in judges chambers across 30 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: the country. And it's part of a Democrat plan here. 31 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: In fact, if you think back to or listen watch here. 32 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: In September of twenty twenty, Kamala Harris was saying that 33 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: a Biden Harris administration was just to take one issue, 34 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: eliminate cash bail. We will eliminate the death penalty, we 35 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: will eliminate private prisons, eliminate cash bail. I've been a 36 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: leader on that in the United States Senate. Cash bail 37 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: is not only a criminal justice issue, it's an economic 38 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: justice issue, meaning people are sitting in jail because they 39 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: don't have the money to get out. Meanwhile, the person 40 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: who has been charged with the same offense and has 41 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: money is out exercising free will and liberty right out, 42 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: they're able to walk the streets. So that's an economic 43 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: justice issue. So we'll get rid of cash bail as well. 44 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: So these are some of the things we'll do. We'll 45 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: speak about cash bill specifically on the show tonight and 46 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: how not only has this been extended to people who 47 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: often have violent criminal path but sometimes these offenders, while 48 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: they would have been held, go out and reoffend right 49 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: after their initial arrest. Plus there's the progressive prosecutors themselves. 50 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: Here's the twenty sixteen political piece on George Soros spending 51 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: millions of dollars on district attorney races while America's political 52 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: kingmakers inject their millions into high profile presidential and congressional contests. 53 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: Democratic megadonner George Soros has directed his wealth into an 54 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: under the radar twenty sixteen campaign to advance one of 55 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: the Progressive Movements Corps goals, reshaping the American justice system. 56 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: The billionaire financier has channeled more than three million dollars 57 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: into seven local district attorney campaigns in six states over 58 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: the past year, a sum that exceeds the total spent 59 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: on the twenty sixteen presidential campaign by all but a 60 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: handful of rival superdonors. So since that time, by the way, 61 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: Soros has spent a total of more than seventeen million 62 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: dollars on races for district attorneys and sheriffs. Now, when 63 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: you're thinking about senate racist presidential races, seventeen million dollars 64 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: may not seem like it's not much money, but understand 65 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: that district attorneys, for example, sheriffs who are elected, there's 66 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: not very much money in those races. You can tip 67 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: a race with a pretty small cash outlay, and that's 68 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: exactly why Soros is doing this. So what is the 69 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: way forward here? I mean, what are we seeing as 70 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: a result of it? I mean, for one thing, obviously, 71 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: the biggest spike in homicide in over a hundred years, 72 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: really since we've been keeping track of homicides in one year. 73 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: That's all part of this. People being released for violent 74 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: crimes who never should have been. The Waukesha mass murderer, 75 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: for examp well let out on bail right after a 76 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: violent criminal offense on a thousand dollars bail total. There 77 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: are many many instances here where people say enough is enough, 78 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: and there are other options. There are other ways that 79 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: this could be done. We could return to a law 80 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: and order approach which makes all of us substantially safer. 81 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: We should put all of our communities in a better 82 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: place going forward. You also have to ask why does 83 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: the left and want to start sorrows have this desire 84 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: to make it easier for criminals. Maybe at some level 85 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: it's because they want to punish the country that they 86 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: think is unjust and racist, and so they allow the 87 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: deterioration of our communities, rising homicide rates and disorder reigned. 88 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: All right, we've got a great line up, a guest 89 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: standing by to explain the scourge of progressive prosecutors and 90 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: the effects they've had on America. Coming up, we'll talk 91 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: to the Heritage Foundation Zach Smith about the man behind 92 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: the criminal justice reform curtain, George Soros. Stay right there. 93 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: If radical change in criminal justice is what big city 94 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: residents are looking for, they certainly got it. For years now, 95 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: there's been a concerted effort on the left to replace 96 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: tough on crime district attorneys around the country with progressive activists. Today. 97 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: We are seeing the results of that in cities like 98 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: San Francisco, Oakland, Waukesha, where crime is spiraling out of 99 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: control and violent criminals are allowed back onto the street 100 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: far before they should be by any reasonable standard. But 101 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: what's behind all this? Well, billionaire George Soros in part, 102 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: who has poured millions of dollars into campaigns for progressive 103 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: district attorneys or more on this is Zat Smith, legal 104 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: fellow at the Heritage Foundation, joins being to share his insight. Zach, 105 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: thanks for being here, of course, thank you for having 106 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: me on. First, Can you just give us a sense 107 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: of how widespread is this? Often we'll talk about prosecutors 108 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: like Chessa. Budin in San Francisco Larry Krasner in Philadelphia. 109 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: Those are two progressive prosecutors that do get some headlines 110 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: because they've been so weak on prosecuting crimes. But where 111 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: is this occurred? Do we have any sense of how 112 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: many progressive prosecutors in major cities are calling the shots? Yeah? Unfortunately, 113 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: this really is a nationwide phenomena. Book. Not only do 114 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: you have those prosecutors you mentioned, you also have Roge 115 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: Soros backed prosecutors in places like Chicago with Kim Fots, 116 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: Baltimore with Maryland Mosby, Los Angeles with George Gascon and 117 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: the list could go on and on. But unfortunately, wherever 118 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: these rogue prosecutors are in power, the results are really 119 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: the same. You're seeing They're refusing to prosecute crimes, and 120 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: as a result, crime rates, especially violent time rates, are increasing. 121 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: So how does this work exactly? Because as you I'm 122 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: sure no if anyone brings up so Ros back and 123 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: immediately they're they're labeled by many on the left, oh, 124 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. So you know, where do we know? How 125 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: do we know that Soros, George Soros or his money 126 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: and his foundations are going to back these prosecutors. Are 127 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: there records walk us through that process a little bit. Yeah. Absolutely. 128 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: This is something that my colleague Cully Simpson and I 129 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: have been tracking really for the past year and a half, 130 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: and in fact, we wrote a white paper explaining where 131 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: the money's coming from and where it's going. And so 132 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: if you look at campaign finance records, George Soros and 133 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: a couple of other left leaning billionaires are financing just 134 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: scores and scores of these campaigns around the country, and 135 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: again they are candidates for these district attorney positions who 136 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: are pushing a radical left wing agenda that really seeks 137 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: to fundamentally transform our criminal justice system into something that 138 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: none of us today would recognize. So there are financial 139 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: records in that show George Soros backing. Do we have 140 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: some sense of how much money we're talking about here 141 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: and how much money does it take to really be 142 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: helpful in a district attorneys there? I think a lot 143 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: of people think, you know that they don't even really 144 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: doesn't even come to mind that district attorneys are elected 145 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: in a whole lot of places. People don't tend to 146 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: get as energized throughout that as they do other political elections. Well, 147 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: that's exactly right, Buck, and I think it's important to 148 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: put this into context. You know, typically DA races, they're 149 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: often uncontested, they're often low dollar affairs. But what George 150 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: Soros and his allies have done, they've essentially figured out 151 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: a way to short circuit the system. They've targeted specific races, 152 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: They've poured in millions of dollars. Go look at the 153 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: campaign records. That was the case in Philadelphia, the Vayry Krasner, 154 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: that was the case in Chicago with Kim Foughts, as 155 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: well as with other candidates around the country, and they 156 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: basically overwhelmed the system so that these road prosecutors get 157 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: in power and again are really implementing this top down 158 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: left leaning agenda that seems to widely decriminalize very egregious 159 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: conduct in many cases. How long has Soros been doing this? 160 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: We have some senses as to whether or not this 161 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: has just accelerated in recent years. Is there some specific 162 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: event that seems to have been a turning point when 163 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the well known leftist billionaire decided 164 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: that getting the most soft on crime prosecutors possible into 165 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: major cities was going to be an important part of 166 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: his agenda, which quite honestly is what it looks like. Well, 167 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: it really came think of high gear in the twenty 168 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: sixteen election cycle. That's when we started to see some 169 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: of these high profile winds in places like Philadelphia, Chicago, 170 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: as well as some other cities around the country. But look, Buck, 171 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: I think what needs to be highlighted here is that 172 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: George Sorrowson's allies essentially figured out that instead of doing 173 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: the hard work, the difficult task of getting legislative majorities 174 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: in many of these states to change laws that they 175 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: disagree with. They've essentially backed these rogue prosecutors who are 176 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: achieving many of their same policy goals by failing to 177 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: do their jobs, failing to prosecute crimes, and essentially nullifying 178 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: laws that they simply disagree with. This is something that's 179 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: unheard of in our criminal justice system. It is not 180 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: prosecutorial discretion has been traditionally understood, and again, I think 181 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: the results speak for themselves, not only to violent crime 182 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: rates increase, but at the court it promotes a culture 183 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: of lawlessness. President Biden, this is what you wrote in 184 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: your Heritage article. Has selected radical prosecutors around the country. 185 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: We've been talking about this, right. Rachel Rollins in Massachusetts 186 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: is one of them, and you wrote about her. Sorry 187 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: that Senator Tom Cotton once made clear it's rare for 188 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: the presidents and nominated a radical pro criminal prosecutor for 189 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: a US attorney position. Rachel Rollins is the very epitome 190 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: of a Soros prosecutor. We call them rogue prosecutors because 191 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: of her radical pro criminal, anti victim policies that are 192 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: harmed victims, harmed communities, an attempt to fundamentally transform our 193 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: criminal justice system. What are some of the things that 194 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: Rachel Rollins and other progressive prosecutors, I mean, what are there? 195 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: You know, what's their guiding their guiding principles, so to speak, 196 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: for their jobs? Like, why are they progressive prosecutors? What 197 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,599 Speaker 1: do they do differently other than just the gent to 198 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: the generic soft on crime label. What are they doing differently? Well? 199 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: Are you serving the role of the state legislatures? Are 200 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: Give you an example. Rachel Rawlins has put our list 201 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: of fifteen crimes that someone can now commit in Boston, 202 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: crimes that are on the books that were passed by 203 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: the state legislature that she won't prosecute someone for. And 204 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: to give you an example of how radical her policies are. 205 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: Under these fifteen crimes, under her own guidance, she sent 206 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: to her staff someone could break into your home, be 207 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: in possession of cocaine, and then resist arrest when the 208 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: police showed up, and she wouldn't prosecute you for any 209 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: of those crimes as long as you said that you 210 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: did all of that just to get out of the 211 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: inclement weather, or did that because you were hungry or 212 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: in need in some way. That's a radical policy. It's 213 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: a dangerous policy and one that frankly would not serve 214 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: her well in the increased responsibility of a US attorney role. 215 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: The chief federal law enforcement officer in Massachusetts, which the 216 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: Biden administrators shouldn't, has nominated her to be. I've seen 217 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: that there are some states that aren't just sitting around 218 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: allowing this to happen, because it's usually cities where these 219 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: progressive prosecutors are most apparent in their actions and the 220 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: way they're subverting the law. There's a law being considered 221 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: in Virginia that would allow the attorney general for the 222 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: state to step in if the DA refuses to prosecute 223 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: certain cases. What do you make of that? Well, I 224 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: think we're seeing that citizens are getting fed up with 225 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: these local prosecutors, these road prosecutors, not doing their jobs 226 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: and allowing lawlessness and crime defessor. Look, not only are 227 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: we seeing the efforts in Virginia to transfer some prosecutorial 228 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: authority to the state attorney general, but also in other places, 229 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: especially in San Francisco with Chase of Booty, we're seeing 230 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: an effort to recall him and it looks like that 231 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: recall effort is going to be on the ballot next year. 232 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,119 Speaker 1: And so I think as the consequences of these policies 233 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: becoming increasingly apparent, I hope and I think we're going 234 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: to see citizens giving more and more pushback and pushing 235 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: these roade prosecutors to do their jobs, enforce the laws 236 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: and prosecute criminals and seeking justice for victims. Thanks for 237 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: being with us. We appreciated, of course, thank you for 238 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: having me. The recent mass murder committed by a career 239 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: criminal they're in a Christmas parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin, is 240 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: shining a light on a pet project of far left 241 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: criminal justice crusader's bail reform. We'll have more on that 242 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: with retired NYPD detective Harry How can we come back? 243 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: Not long after Daryl Brooks plowed is fourd escape through 244 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: a Christmas parade in Wakashaw, Wisconsin, killing six and injuring 245 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: at least sixty people, it was revealed that the career 246 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: criminal was out on a thousand dollars cash bond at 247 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: the time of attack. Brooks had previously been arrested for 248 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: a domestic violence incident in which he'd attempted to run 249 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: over the mother of his chi one of his children. 250 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: So why was a dangerous man with a long rap 251 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: sheet let back onto the street. Many are pointing at 252 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: another pet product to far left criminal justice crusaders, bail reform. 253 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: In cities and states around the country, lawmakers and progressive 254 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: district attorneys have adopted policies that set low bail amounts 255 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: or limited entirely or certain classes of criminals. The results 256 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: have been predictable bikes in crime in urban areas and 257 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: avoidable tragedies like the one we saw in Waukesha. Or 258 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: more on this. Let me bring in retired NYPD detective 259 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: law enforcement analyst Harry how Carry good to see it? Hey, 260 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: how's it going? Book? Let's start with the specific case 261 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: of Darryl Brooks. This guy lived a life of crime. 262 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: He's got sex crimes that has passed, domestic abuse, crimes 263 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: against police officers, weapons related offenses. How does a guy 264 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: like this get let off by the Milwaukee District Attorney's 265 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: office on a thousand dollars bail for trying to run 266 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: somebody over with his car before the mass murder he committed? 267 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: Very easy? Democrat policies. This is the way that Democrats 268 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: want their cities to be run like. They have no 269 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: problem with the attorneys like this. They're constantly talking about 270 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: ballet form here. So I guess this is exactly what 271 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: they want. You know, pretty much should worked out pretty 272 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: well for the Democrats in Lacasha, who allowed several people 273 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: to be murdered, to include an a year old boy, 274 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: all right, because of the crazy policies. I don't know 275 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: what's going on in the brains of Democrat politicians, especially 276 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: to let something like this happen. You can only come 277 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: to one conclusion. This is exactly what they want. They're 278 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: want high crime, they want people to die, they want 279 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: children to die, because every time they turn around, something 280 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: like this happens. Things never change in Democrat run cities. 281 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: And my only conclusion is this is exactly what they want. 282 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: I mean. In a statement, Milwaukee County District Attorney John 283 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: Chisholm acknowledged that bail was set too low here. He 284 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: said the state's bail recommendation this case was inappropriately low 285 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: in light of the nature of the recent charges and 286 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: the penning charges against mister Brooks. His office is currently 287 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: conducting an internal review of the decision to make the 288 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: recent bail recommendation in this matter in order to determine 289 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: the appropriate next steps. Do you think this incident, I mean, 290 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: you know, Harry, is this going to wake people up 291 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: to the recognition that these bail reform efforts come with 292 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: really severe I mean their consequences we're talking about right now. Well, 293 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: I'm hoping so. I mean, you can see with some 294 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: of the cities that try to defund the police, they're 295 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: putting money back in their police departments. But you know, 296 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: I'll have to wait to see what happens because we've 297 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: had similar incidents like this before it happened and where 298 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: children died and Democrats did absolutely nothing about it. I'm 299 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: kind of hoping though, that the voters out there will 300 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: change the way they think and start voting the right 301 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: way and have people that run the cities that are 302 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: pro law and order. So, just so I understand this, Harry, 303 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 1: did you ever in your career you come up against 304 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: people that were pushing for bail reform like this in 305 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: the past. Is this kind of a new You know, 306 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: we're speaking a lot about the Sauros backed prosecutors out 307 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: there and what they have in their progressive prosecut cute 308 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: or agenda, right, what they're trying to get get done. 309 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: Is this the bail reform issue? Is it? Is it new? 310 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: Or is this essentially a reducts or re reintroduction of 311 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: this into the left wing agenda? Realm, Well, I've never 312 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: heard of it before until you know, recently, since you know, 313 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: Biden become a president United States and just before, so 314 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: it's it's it's never been out there. I never had 315 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: any problems when I arrested people when I was a 316 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: detective and a police officer and requesting large bail on people. 317 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: District attorneys in Manhattan at that time were really, really good, 318 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: and they put some huge bails on people. But some 319 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: of the other areas in New York, like the Bronx 320 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: and Brooklyn weren't so big on it, and they often 321 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: let guys go with a little bail. But I'm hoping 322 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: things will change soon. I can see it with people 323 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: that I talked to and a lot of reading that 324 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: I'm doing, that people are sick and tired of the 325 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: Democrats and they want some change, you know, in their cities. 326 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: So what I mean, what exactly the people the prosecutors 327 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: that have pushed for this, and obviously some state assemblies 328 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: have gone along and even passed laws. I mean New 329 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: York comes to mind, where they have you know, no 330 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: cash bail, something you'll hear about, right, so they'll let 331 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: people out. Why do they say, you know, you've talked 332 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,959 Speaker 1: about the consequences and how they don't seem to care 333 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: about how negative this can be and how lives can 334 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: be lost. But Harry, just so we understand, what is 335 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: the the pitch that is made by the progressive prosecutors 336 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: and those aligned with them out there for why there 337 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: should be no cash bill or why there should be 338 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: bail reform in this way. What do they think is 339 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: accomplished through it? You know, I think they think it 340 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: accomplishes more votes. That's the only thing I can think of, 341 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: because nobody in the right mind, all right, it's gonna 342 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: lest some arms felon out on small bail like a 343 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: thousand dollars like they did this guy in Walkershaw, all right, 344 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: and think that this person is going to probably come 345 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: back to court or not commit another crime. So, like 346 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: I said, my only conclusion is they want high crime 347 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: in these areas. They want these people to be able 348 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: to bow down to them and basically say please help us, 349 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: and they continue to say, yes, we will help you. 350 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: But then once they're elected, they never help anybody in 351 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: these ghettos, and that needs a change. Also wondering if 352 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: this is something that affects morale for the rank and 353 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: file in the police department. I mean, if they arrest 354 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: somebody who's done a bad thing and that individual has 355 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: let out the same day with no bail, do the 356 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: guys that are actually making these arrests feel like that's 357 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: a slap in the face. Always, always, even before this, 358 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: whenever police office just putting his life on the line. Yeah, 359 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure this guy Brooks and Walkershaw has resisted the 360 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: rest before and got in fights with police officers, and 361 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: they're involved by putting them life on the line fighting 362 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: with a guy like this, and then all of a sudden, 363 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: once they get them cuffed and they bring them in 364 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: front of the courts, they're releasing them with no bail 365 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: or small bail. It is a slap in the face, 366 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: all right. It demotivates police officer and they send himself, 367 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: you know, what what am I doing that here? You know, 368 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: let me just come to work and go home. Every day. 369 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: So why should I put my life on the line 370 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: for a government that does not backing me up, especially 371 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: when I am acting in good faith out there on 372 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: the street and putting my life on the line. Harry, 373 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: thanks for bringing your perspective this. We appreciate it, sir. 374 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me Buck. Americans have seen a 375 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: spike in violent crimes and cities and urban areas around 376 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: the country, and it's not just major cities like Chicago 377 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: and Los Angeles. We come back. Senior fellow at the 378 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: Manhattan Institute, Raphael Mangual, joins us to explain how progressive 379 00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: prosecutors pose a threat to cities large and small. From 380 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: coast to coast, Americans have seen a spike in violent crime, 381 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: especially in cities and urban areas, and it's not just 382 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: big cities like Chicago and Los Angeles. Over the past year. 383 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: Smaller cities like Fayetteville, North Carolina, Jackson, Mississippi, Wichita, Kansas, 384 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: and Lansing, Michigan are all on pace to set new 385 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: records for homicides and violent crime. Many, including my next guests, 386 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: attribute to rise in violent crime to the progressive assault 387 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: on our criminal justice system. From on this, let me 388 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: turn A, Senior Fellow and Deputy director of Legal Policy 389 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: at the Manhattan Institute, Raphael Mangual. Raphael, thanks for being here. 390 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me. So I think this 391 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: will be news to a lot of people because when 392 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: we think of the spike in violent crime, as it's 393 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: reported in the national media, and we've seen this for 394 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: the last couple of years now, we generally think of 395 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: big cities like Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, Los Angeles. But 396 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: that's not the only place where the spike has occurred. No, 397 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. I mean, this is this is a 398 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: problem facing cities all across the country in varying sizes, 399 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, from coast to coast, from north to south, 400 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: and it's something that's been brewing for quite a while. 401 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: I know, you know, twenty twenties saw the single largest 402 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: one year spike in homicides in American history, and that's 403 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: gotten a lot of attention. But it's also important to 404 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: remember that a lot of these cities have been struggling 405 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: with increasing levels of violent crime that that go back 406 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: in predate the pandemic. I mean, Louisville is a perfect 407 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: example of this. So is Tulsa, Lahoma, which said it's 408 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: homicide record in twenty seventeen and looks like it may 409 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: just go ahead and break that again this year. So 410 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,239 Speaker 1: you know, we mentioned some of these smaller cities, some 411 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,959 Speaker 1: of the ones that we just talked about a second ago. 412 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: So you get Jackson, Wichita, Lansing. I don't think people would, 413 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: you know, they would think, oh, well, those states and 414 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: those smaller cities, you don't get the same kind of 415 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: progressive prosecutors who are trying to make a name for 416 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: themselves on the left, like a Chessa bundan or in 417 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: San franc let Go or Larry Krasner in Philadelphia. But 418 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: do they I mean, are there even sauros back prosecutors 419 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: and some of those smaller jurisdictions, those smaller cities, or 420 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: just people who share the philosophy, the criminal justice philosophy 421 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: or lack there of in some ways, of people like 422 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: Krasner and Budan. Oh. Absolutely, I think people would be 423 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: very surprised to see just how much the progressive prosecutive 424 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: movement has infiltrated this country. And we now have reached 425 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: a point where more than fifty million Americans are living 426 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: in jurisdictions with self described progressive prosecutors. So it's not 427 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: just big cities like Los Angeles, Philadelphia, in Chicago, but 428 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: also smaller cities like Orlando, for example, of Terafax County, Virginia, 429 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: other places around the country that have also seen the 430 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: progressive prosecutive movement bleed in. But it's not just the 431 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: progressive prosecutive movement. A lot of these jurisdictions are either 432 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: in states that are recently experimented with wide ranging criminal 433 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: justice reforms or in jurisdictions that have been suffering a 434 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: brunt of the police recruitment of pretendition crisis. So one 435 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: of the things to keep in mind is that, you know, 436 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: why crime goes up and down in any given place 437 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 1: in any given time is pretty complicated. But the other 438 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: thing to keep in mind is that not every city 439 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: is going to be as resilient as say, in New 440 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: York is right, So you know, there are many other 441 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: reasons other than just one change in criminal justice policy 442 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: or in policing policy that might explain why New York's 443 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: crime hasn't gone up the same way that say Louisville's 444 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: crime pads. Right, other cities may not be as resilient 445 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: and so it doesn't take as much to create the 446 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: sort of conditions that lead to to crime spikes. So 447 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: when we're talking about progressive prosecutors like Eric Gonzalez and 448 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: Brooklyn or George Gascone in Los Angeles, what are the 449 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: things they do? I mean, what makes someone a progressive 450 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,959 Speaker 1: prosecutor these days? You said self describe? So what does 451 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: that mean? What are the initiatives, what are some of 452 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: the major plans they want to implement, or just is 453 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: it mostly a philosophical thing with how they approach crime 454 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: data you prosecution of crime day to day? Yeah, I mean, 455 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: I think what makes a progressive prosecutor is someone who 456 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: is approaching that job with the explicit intent of reducing 457 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: incarceration as an overarching goal. I think that's a really 458 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: good starting point. A lot of these people will try 459 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: to do that in the multitude of ways. You'll often 460 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: see progressive prosecutors include in their platforms broad non prosecution promises, 461 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: so there will be entire categories of crime that they 462 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: will refuse to pursue through prosecution. So essentially you have 463 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: the unilateral aggregation of a duly enacted piece of legislation, 464 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: and that can be the result of a one off 465 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: year election outcome with a relatively small amount of money 466 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: thrown into the race. A lot of these progressive prosecutors 467 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: will also not seek things like pre trial detention at 468 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: the same rates, if at all. Then they're sort of 469 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: non progressive counterparts that will also seek prison alternatives as 470 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: responses to convictions. So you'll see a lot more rates 471 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: of a lot higher rates of probation sentences, for example, 472 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: or time served in pre trial detensition sentences, or just 473 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: shorter sentences sought if the prosecutor is in fact going 474 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: to seek a postconviction incarceration. So that's another thing. Another 475 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: aspect of progressive prosecution is sort of focus on the 476 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: back end, particularly parole and supervision. So one of the 477 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,479 Speaker 1: things we've seen with George Gascoe, for example, and Rik 478 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: Gonzalez and Brooklyn two names that you brought up, are 479 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: not just policies that prohibit prosecutors from opposing parole bids, 480 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: but an Erk Gonzalez case actually affirmatively supporting parole bids 481 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: from any prosecution that went through that office, And this 482 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: results in a lot more people seeing the street a 483 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: lot sooner than they otherwise would have. One of the 484 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: issues we were tackling in this special is specifically bail reform, 485 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: which is getting a lot of attention recently because of 486 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: what happened in Waukesha, Wisconsin. What is the idea behind 487 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: bail reform that they're trying to egibby? You mentioned this 488 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: is so important, I mean philosophically, the overarching theme of 489 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: the progressive prosecutor is to punish people less and have 490 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: less people in prison, right, whatever that means in different ways. 491 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: Bail reforms specifically, what are they trying to achieve and 492 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: how has it actually played out in jurisdictions that have 493 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: gone forward with it? Yeah, I mean the rationale behind 494 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: bail reform is actually pretty intuitive and does make some sense. 495 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: Right in a system that relies heavily on cash bail, 496 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: right on monetary conditions, on belief. What can end up 497 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: happening is you have a situation in which a relatively 498 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: dangerous but well off defendant gets the bias freedom while 499 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: a relatively harmless but indigen defending gets stuck behind bars. 500 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 1: Nobody wants a system to work that way. What I 501 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: have advocated for our systems that actually centered the pretrial 502 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: release and greet around dangerousness Now, in practice, in jurisdictions 503 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: that have enacted bail reforms, what we've seen are large 504 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: increases in the percentage of pretrial defendants that are spending 505 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: the pretrial period out on the street rather than in 506 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: pretrial detention, mostly because bail just isn't being handed down 507 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: at the same time. Now, some of those reform efforts 508 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: include providing judges with the discretion to hold dangerous offenders 509 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: in pre trial detention irrespective of whether they can afford 510 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: to make bail by simply denying bail entirely, those are 511 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: the better reforms in my opinion, But in practice, what 512 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: we see is that unless you have prosecutors in that 513 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: jurisdiction that are willing to take advantage of that and 514 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: judges that are comfortable with doing that, we just don't 515 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: see that that lever being pulled often enough. And so 516 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: what happens is you just have larger pools of pre 517 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: trial dependents down on the street. And what that means 518 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: for the communities that these people are going back into 519 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: is higher rates of crime committed by that population. So 520 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: if you look at any study of a bail reform 521 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: rather than Chicago or anywhere else that has actually been enacted. 522 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: What you see is in a larger number of crimes 523 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: committed by the pre trial detension population. Now, defenders of 524 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: the reform will point to the fact, for example, that 525 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: the rate of offense for the pre trial population doesn't 526 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: change pre or post bail reform, and they think that 527 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: this is a big slam dunk. But if you grow 528 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: the pre trial population significantly, even if that population offends 529 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: at the same rate, that means in the aggregate, you're 530 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: going to have a significant degree of offenses that you 531 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't have otherwise, had had wouldn't have occurred, are occurring. Right. 532 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: That's the boy, Raphael. Fascinating stuff, really important perspective. Thank 533 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: you for being with us, Thanks so much for having me. 534 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: Progressive prosecutors and district attorneys aren't the only ones pushing 535 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: for progressive criminal justice reform. Coming up Robbie Starbuck, candidate 536 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: for Congress in Tennessee's fifth congressional district, exposes the political 537 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: support for the left, soft on crime approach to justice. 538 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,479 Speaker 1: Progressive prosecutors and criminal justice reform boondoggles like bail reform 539 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: are certainly wreaking havoc across the country. When combine with 540 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: the rhetoric of the BLM movement and support for far 541 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: left ideas like defunding the police. You have a recipe 542 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: for total disaster. But these ideas aren't just being pushed 543 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: by rogue prosecutors, are dark money wielding billionaires like George Soros. 544 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: They have support at some of our highest levels of government. 545 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: Jommy now is director and producer. Robbie Starbuck is also 546 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: candidate for congress in Tennessee's fifth congressional district. Robbie, good 547 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: to see it, jod to see. How are you doing. 548 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm good, Robbie. Thanks for being one of us. So 549 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: I know you write on this and you follow this 550 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: issue closely. Why is the mainstream Democrat party adopting this 551 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: far left criminal justice justice reform and we've seen this 552 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,239 Speaker 1: now for over eighteen months, disastrous results. Why are they 553 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: doing it? Because they're no longer the party of JFK. 554 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: They're no longer the Democratic party of our grandparents. This 555 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: is a new party and the progressive left is taking 556 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: it over. I hate even calling them progressive because everything 557 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: they're pushing is regressive, but this is the reality of 558 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: who they are now. You know, It's kind of like 559 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: if you're married to somebody, or you're dating somebody, and 560 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: they show a consistent behavior over years, you know, that's 561 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: who they've become. It's not some shadow of who they 562 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: used to be twenty years ago. It's who they are 563 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: and what their actions tell you, and their actions tell 564 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: us that this is who they are. So do they 565 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: recognize the downside of the enormous increase in homicides, Robbie, 566 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: I mean they must understand at some level that the 567 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: Democrat Party is vulnerable if this continues to be perfectly honest, 568 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: I think they've taken for granted the voters that they've 569 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: had for such a long time that they feel like 570 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: they can get away with this type of thing, you know. 571 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: So they've really leaned into this sort of woke corporatism 572 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: while ignoring the plight of normal people. So in a 573 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: place like San Francisco where they have a Saurosda and 574 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: you've seen the atrocious crime rocketing up and people unable 575 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: to leave their cars parked on the street or even 576 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: inside a parking garage without it being ransacked on a 577 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: daily basis, you know, those issues. They're totally divorced from 578 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: that stuff, and they're not worried about what those people 579 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: are going through. They just expect as long as the 580 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: das next to their name, the people will check the box. 581 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: And I think twenty twenty two is going to be 582 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: a route awakening for some of them. Now. I do 583 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: think there's some old school, you know politicians that are 584 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, over sixty who do understand the issue here 585 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: and genuinely don't like it, but they're terrified of the 586 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: new Left, and they know that they own the base 587 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: of the party now, so they can't say anything. So 588 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: just speaking about the new Left in the base of 589 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: the party. Representative of Ocazio Cortez is out there saying, 590 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, we've had this experiment in some cities of 591 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: defunding police. They did it in Austin, They've done in 592 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: a number of places at least either begun to or 593 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: actually defunded at some level police with disastrous results. But 594 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: yet Occasio Cortez, among the most powerful people on the 595 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: left in Congress, says that more money is not the answer. 596 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: There is an increase in crime and in incidents of 597 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: violence as the country really reopens up from the pandemic 598 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: and the desperation created by a frankly very poor US 599 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: response to the pandemic in terms of the economic devastation. 600 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: And so as things open up, we're starting to see 601 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: more crime and incidents of violence. Now that should absolutely 602 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: be a point of concern, but the response to that 603 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: should not necessarily be over policing. Over policing we're worried 604 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: about over policing. Now that's what she thinks. You know, 605 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: I wouldn't trust Acasio Cortez to guard my sandwich, let 606 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: alone a city, a state, or a country. The policies 607 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: that she's pushing, I mean, this is directly out of 608 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: the Soros playbook. What they're pushing is no bail and 609 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: these tiny bit of bail policies that end up putting 610 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: violent criminals on the streets. What they really want is, 611 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. If you saw this interview with Rep. 612 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: To lob with Axio, she was sitting down Jonathan Swan 613 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,439 Speaker 1: and he asked her, why do you support the bill 614 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: where it essentially says within ten years, you will release 615 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: everybody from prison. And even they once they're faced with 616 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: the fact that that's what their bill says, I don't 617 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: know if they don't know what it says, I think 618 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: they do. And they're just pretending at this point, but 619 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: once they're faced with it from a mainstream reporter, even 620 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: they kind of sit there and go, oh, wow, this 621 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 1: doesn't look good. You know. I think even they're starting 622 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: to get the outward perception, but they really don't care 623 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: because they feel like as long as that these they're 624 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: going to get away with it. Here's Kamala Harris back 625 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 1: in September of twenty twenty saying a Biden Harrison administration 626 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,720 Speaker 1: would eliminate cash bill. We will eliminate the death penalty, 627 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: we will eliminate private prisons, eliminate cash bail. I've been 628 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: a leader on that in the United States Senate. Cash 629 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: bail is not only a criminal justice issue, it's an 630 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: economic justice issue, meaning people are sitting in jail because 631 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: they don't have the money to get out. Meanwhile, the 632 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: person who has been charged with the same offense and 633 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: has money is out exercising free will and liberty right 634 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: out they are able to walk the streets. So that's 635 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: an economic justice issue. So we'll get rid of cash 636 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 1: bail as well. So these are some of the things 637 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: we'll do. You know, there's been we talked about this 638 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,919 Speaker 1: tonight on the show Robbie, there's been a whole lot 639 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: of offenses committed by people who are immediately released on 640 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: these nobail policies, who have they been held, would not 641 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: have been committing some of those crimes. Absolutely. I mean 642 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: just look at Waukesha. You know that was somebody with 643 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: a low bail policy. They let him out and then 644 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 1: what did he do. He turned around and he mowed 645 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: down children at a Christmas parade. There is a human 646 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: cost to this nonsense. And by the way, the only 647 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: thing that Kamala is leading on is bad pr pieces 648 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: because she's been getting hit left and right from everybody, 649 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: because she's been atrocious as a leader. Nobody trusts her. 650 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: These policies are a failure, and the human cost is 651 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: what matters here. I don't see this as a political issue. 652 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: If Democrats jump on board tomorrow and say, hey, you 653 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 1: know what Robbie wanted, link arms here and go fight this, 654 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,959 Speaker 1: I would say happy to do it, because I don't 655 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: care about the politics. I care about the fact that 656 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: I talk to people who these policies are affecting, and 657 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: it is a real human cost and politics is too 658 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: divorced from that. We've got to actually connect with the 659 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: fact that there's real people who come home at the 660 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: end of the day and their loved one is dead. 661 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: They're gone because of these policies. You know again, Robbie, 662 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: sorry once I Kamala Harris back in Juna twenty twenty 663 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: tweeted out you were talking about bail issue. She wanted 664 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: to raise money, bail money for Minnesota BLM rioters. If 665 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: you're able to chip in now the Minnesota Freedom Fund 666 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: to help post bail for those protesting on the ground 667 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. The people that were arrested were not arresting 668 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 1: for arrested for protesting, Robbie. They're arrested for burning down businesses, 669 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: burning down a police station even and the current vice 670 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: president wanted to raise money for them. You're absolutely right. 671 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: And what did that money end up going towards. It 672 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: ended up releasing people who went on to violently offend, 673 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: including people who had violated children. Okay, what she did 674 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: was just grotesque. And this is the future of the 675 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: Democratic Party. This is what they believe in. People have 676 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: to confront that. And this is part of what I 677 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,439 Speaker 1: wrote about in the New York Post just this week, 678 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: is that we've got to spell out these policies for people. 679 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: Connect the dots and make it unelectable to take money 680 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: from the people who are pushing this nonsense, and make 681 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: it unelectable to have backed these policies. If people can 682 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: get connected the emotional toll, the real human cost of this, 683 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: they will stop voting for these people. Robbie, you're running 684 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: for Congress. Tell folks about it. Absolutely. So we're running 685 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: here in Middle Tennessee in a district that is going 686 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,919 Speaker 1: to be pretty new in January, and new maps should 687 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: come out and we'll see what it ends up looking like, 688 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: but it should have a piece in Nashville in it. 689 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 1: And we're running to be the warriors that we believe 690 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: our country needs right now. We think people need fighters 691 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: who are going to go there not be owned by 692 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: corporate interests, but instead are gonna fight for what the 693 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: people are worried about. Are gonna go and confront those 694 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: kitchen table issues, and are gonna stop playing the ridiculous 695 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 1: politics we've seen played by the Democrats with their lives, 696 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: with their livelihoods, and with the people they love. We've 697 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: got to end all this. We've got to bring freedom 698 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: back and empower people to make the best decisions for 699 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: their lives. So that's what we're going to do here. 700 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: We've had an overwhelmingly amazing response. Senator rand Paul's gotten 701 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: behind us among many others, and we are going to 702 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 1: fight and win this race because Tennessee deserves that type 703 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: of representation in Congress. Robbie, thanks for being with us. 704 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thank you Buck. That's all the time we 705 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 1: have for the special edition of Hold the Line. I 706 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: want to thank my guest Zach Smith, Harry how Raphael Manguel, 707 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: and Robbie Starbuck for sharing your expertise and perspectives a 708 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:57,280 Speaker 1: great night, Shield's High