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Speaker 1: welcome in here in a couple of minutes. The great
Speaker 1: Sean Salisbury. Now Sean played at USC back and they
Speaker 1: bounced around the NFL. I remember him most as a
Speaker 1: Minnesota Viking quarterback. But he he went to training camp
Speaker 1: with some other teams. I think he even did a
Speaker 1: stint in the Canadian Football League. Like a lot of
Speaker 1: people know him more from his TV stuff. He was
Speaker 1: at ESPN for a long time and has done a
Speaker 1: bunch of different media work and and right now you
Speaker 1: can hear him if you're listening in the Houston area
Speaker 1: or if you want to listen online. Sean is a
Speaker 1: morning drive talk show host in Houston and every morning
Speaker 1: he cranks out those radio shows from six to ten
Speaker 1: AM on seven ninety Sports Talk seven ninety and Houston,
Speaker 1: which happens to be the home of the Ben Mallor
Speaker 1: Show in Houston, and that is also where the Astros
Speaker 1: and Rockets games are played on the radio. We've had
Speaker 1: a love hate relationship with our friends in Houston, but
Speaker 1: we are excited to have Sean on Washington back in
Speaker 1: the day on ESPN and very opinionated guy and good
Speaker 1: good at giving takes on on NFL. Obviously that's his
Speaker 1: bread and butter, but all things, he's a morning guy,
Speaker 1: so he talks about all sports. But this is gonna
Speaker 1: be an NFL heavy podcast, and so let's welcome in
Speaker 1: Sean Salisburg. Guess why don't we start since year in
Speaker 1: the Houston Morning Guy, we should start with Deshaun Watson. Sean,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on with us. But how does this
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's story end. He apparently wants out of Houston.
Speaker 1: The Texans are claiming they don't really want to get
Speaker 1: rid of him, at least that's the public position. So
Speaker 1: how does this story end? Well, I think you'd be insane, Bennon,
Speaker 1: It's great to be on with you too. How to
Speaker 1: even consider trading him? I mean I would exhaust every
Speaker 1: option to keep him on the roster. I mean you're
Speaker 1: talking about other than Patrick Mahomes over the next decade.
Speaker 1: This is the best ask it to build a team
Speaker 1: around for ten years. Now too, you'd say Rogers or
Speaker 1: one of those guys is in the mix. But over
Speaker 1: the next ten it's Mahomes Watson second. And then there's
Speaker 1: the gap between the three. And yeah, I'm including Conlor
Speaker 1: Marie and Lamar Jackson and Baker Mayson, all of them.
Speaker 1: Watson second, and he would command a major hall. I
Speaker 1: get it, but I understand disgruntled. And it may come
Speaker 1: to the point where it's say, if he's got the
Speaker 1: guts to hold out and I'm on his side because
Speaker 1: they came away with you know, the trust and trust
Speaker 1: matters for a lot of guys. He's a principled guy. Um,
Speaker 1: he's a dedicated guy. Trust and communication when they there's
Speaker 1: a misconception that he went and told them he wanted
Speaker 1: to say. They came to him and asked for input,
Speaker 1: and then they didn't ask for his input after they
Speaker 1: told him they'd give it to him. So I get
Speaker 1: his distrust in the easter be cowed dysfunction. It's probably,
Speaker 1: excuse me, the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL right now.
Speaker 1: And that's saying something, Ben. You've covered the sport in
Speaker 1: the sports world for a long time, so uh, for
Speaker 1: for me, I would think that if I was the
Speaker 1: GM or the owner, I'd say And the talk is
Speaker 1: that they aren't answering calls out it that they were
Speaker 1: saying we're not interested. But you know that can change.
Speaker 1: So it's never all or nothing, I guess. But if
Speaker 1: Watson has the guts to hold out a forty million
Speaker 1: bucks not play a season, then you've got to say
Speaker 1: who's Who's who's stronger to call the bluff? I mean,
Speaker 1: are you gonna sit out we're a long ways from that.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't trade him. I wouldn't trade a guy
Speaker 1: who's that good. But if it was unfixable, the hall
Speaker 1: for for And that's the way people feel in town.
Speaker 1: It's Watson. Two of the people are like, well, he's
Speaker 1: under contract, he should just show up and play, regardless
Speaker 1: of what happened to blah blah blah. And if you're
Speaker 1: you know, ownership or management, when they're piss they can
Speaker 1: say something about you, but when you've got a problem
Speaker 1: as a player, you're not supposed to talk. That's, you know,
Speaker 1: the old school philosophy. Right, Well, things are changing, so
Speaker 1: for me then I would think that if you traded Watson,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't answer your call. If alls you were offering
Speaker 1: me his three first round picks, i'd say, I'd say,
Speaker 1: if it came to the point where we had to
Speaker 1: get rid of him, I'm gonna make your franchise hurts
Speaker 1: so bad, whether you the forty Niners or the Dolphins
Speaker 1: of the Jets, that I'm gutting your franchise to the
Speaker 1: point that when you do trade for Watson, as good
Speaker 1: as he is, that you're gonna ask the room that's
Speaker 1: in that room and making this decision. Did we make
Speaker 1: the right move even though we're going to get a
Speaker 1: franchise changing quarterback. That's how bad it's got to hurt you.
Speaker 1: I'll see you, Stafford, and I'll raise you a double.
Speaker 1: Is what exactly people are thinking when it comes to
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson in this town. Yeah, and you know, I've
Speaker 1: talked about Watson a lot because it's a big story obviously,
Speaker 1: and my thing and I can't wrap my head around
Speaker 1: I know, the trust deal which you brought up. But
Speaker 1: the Texans, it's not like they just became dysfunctional. You're
Speaker 1: there every day, Sean, your your cover and I mean
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien was still the coach and the GM when
Speaker 1: Watson signed the extension. So and it's it's not like
Speaker 1: this is a new phenomen It's not a case. My
Speaker 1: point is, it's not bait and switch. So what is
Speaker 1: really going on here? Is this an ownership situation with
Speaker 1: I know, the owner passed away and the kids running
Speaker 1: the team now? Is it? Is it a higher level
Speaker 1: situation with the Texans? It is. It's it's the fact
Speaker 1: that I think and we well, this isn't just a
Speaker 1: one off thing. And where it's like, oh, this happened
Speaker 1: that they promised him this, Now that I think this
Speaker 1: was the capper, you know, the O'Brien thing, the trade
Speaker 1: into DeAndre Hopkins without telling you know, was just out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, right, And it's a it's cumulative, man. It's
Speaker 1: it's not just one thing, because a lot of times
Speaker 1: we all are offended by something somebody says, um, and
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, let's let's try to sit down and
Speaker 1: fix it. It's like, at some point you think that
Speaker 1: whether it's Deshaun or the front office, Nick Cassario, the
Speaker 1: new GM, he wasn't here during the dysfunction. Neither was
Speaker 1: David Culley. So I'm hoping to Shaun and then say
Speaker 1: we're grown ass man. Let's sit down for a second
Speaker 1: and let's just spend a couple of hours and see
Speaker 1: if we can't find out and hear hear out, hear
Speaker 1: you out what what concerns you. And I'd be willing
Speaker 1: to do that because this is a great football player
Speaker 1: and a great human. But then you make a good
Speaker 1: point is you signed a contract when there was dysfunction, um,
Speaker 1: and you knew. I mean, you've been on a dysfunctional
Speaker 1: franchise with a dysfunctional owner. God rest Mr mcnersle but
Speaker 1: post him and even when he was there, if you
Speaker 1: remember the race issue about inmates and stuff, and that
Speaker 1: the players were bothered by that. So this is a
Speaker 1: deeper issue, I promise you, than just a one off thing.
Speaker 1: And then you know this too in life and and
Speaker 1: other things. Sometimes like in a relationship, right a marriage,
Speaker 1: which this is supposed to be, sometimes the dude just
Speaker 1: wants out or the girl wants out. They've just had
Speaker 1: they don't want to do anymore. And for what you
Speaker 1: could talk and go out to dinner and drink wine
Speaker 1: and say, and then the next day it's like going
Speaker 1: back to I don't want to do it. So maybe
Speaker 1: it gets to the point that he just wants out.
Speaker 1: And if he does, then at some point in time
Speaker 1: you've got to have a come to Jesus, not only
Speaker 1: with him but with your own front office and say, listen,
Speaker 1: it isn't gonna work. How are we going to move
Speaker 1: on from this? And then you next as he's held
Speaker 1: you hostage, need to go hold franchise as hostage and
Speaker 1: say you ain't getting him. For two first rounders and
Speaker 1: two a sorry, dude, that's not enough of a gut punch.
Speaker 1: That's what they have to do. But if the front office,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be in this situation. Ben, you know this,
Speaker 1: when you sign a guy you've been covering sports this long,
Speaker 1: We've never seen this. We we we've never seen five
Speaker 1: year old, forty million dollar quarterback in the prime of
Speaker 1: his career where it's come to this in this sport.
Speaker 1: Other sports we have hell and Houston hardened. We've seen
Speaker 1: it twice. So Harden was part of it too. So
Speaker 1: you get to a point where it's like, since we
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, then I've I've got to find a
Speaker 1: way that you're gonna have to mortgage some of your
Speaker 1: franchise to do it to get him. And if you're
Speaker 1: willing to do that, then if it's if it's beyond fixing,
Speaker 1: then we've got to address that. But if I was
Speaker 1: a GM here or if somebody you know, thinking somebody else,
Speaker 1: it should have never got to this. We should be
Speaker 1: enjoying the fruits of Deshaun Watson. And now we're talking
Speaker 1: to a guy that now now to other teams have
Speaker 1: supposedly jumped in the fray. If there's an offer on
Speaker 1: the table and he wants out. I'm sure they'll entertain
Speaker 1: it at some point. Well, you're a football guy, you
Speaker 1: played the sport and all that, You've been around it forever.
Speaker 1: And this is, as you reference, this is an NBA
Speaker 1: type move the Shaun Watson store, it's an NBA. Is
Speaker 1: this going to become I don't think it is. But
Speaker 1: is this going to become more prevalent in the NFL
Speaker 1: now that because of social media and some other factors
Speaker 1: here that we we're gonna end up seeing more of
Speaker 1: these star players who are unhappy just strong arm their
Speaker 1: way out of town like they do in other sports. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe more, but I don't know. And unlike the NBA,
Speaker 1: I mean I think there's more stars. When I say stars,
Speaker 1: since there's five guys on the court, the superstars control
Speaker 1: more in the In the NBA, they just do week
Speaker 1: I can grow through him. At some point, Luca is
Speaker 1: going to control what he wants to do, right, Janice
Speaker 1: does we liewle Lebron has how guys like Paul George
Speaker 1: and James Harden and I mean they do. So there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of let's say there's a dozen of them
Speaker 1: in the NBA. If you went down the pecking order Lebron,
Speaker 1: if Steph Curry, I'm sure at some point I wanted
Speaker 1: to control his. He could k d you know the
Speaker 1: controlled here. I mean you can now we look in
Speaker 1: the NFL. How many of those sacred cows are there?
Speaker 1: I mean, Watson is controlling it. Mahomes is locked up
Speaker 1: for like forty seven years, so probably won't come to that,
Speaker 1: but he could. Rogers is starting to do. We've heard
Speaker 1: Rodgers talk about it, and you know, apparently wants a
Speaker 1: new deal. So maybe him. But I think he wants
Speaker 1: to play. I actually do think he wants to play
Speaker 1: his career in Green Bay after that. Baker is not
Speaker 1: at the point yet. Lamar can't control that yet because
Speaker 1: they're still wondering what he said. Josh Allen's not there
Speaker 1: just yet. He's still got much to prove, So we
Speaker 1: have less volume of those guys that completely because I
Speaker 1: hate to say it, but a pass rushing defensive end,
Speaker 1: even though he may be dominant like Myles Garrett or
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa, there the quarterback, the tenth best quarterback in
Speaker 1: the league is always going to bring more value than
Speaker 1: the best pass rusher. He just is and on the ball.
Speaker 1: I mean, so the best thing you could be is
Speaker 1: that as dominant as you want, bring LT back and
Speaker 1: it's still Lawrence Tanner I'm talking about, and he's not
Speaker 1: gonna be able to dictate if a franchise, Okay, oh
Speaker 1: you want to hold out, great, we'll put another guy
Speaker 1: in there. Our quarterback will hold it out for us.
Speaker 1: Not that they're not important, but a left tackle and
Speaker 1: those guys aren't gonna dictated. So I think more would
Speaker 1: like to think that they got that poll. But we're
Speaker 1: at a point now, Ben think about it. Jerry Judy
Speaker 1: today says, oh, man love to have Deshaun Watson. He's
Speaker 1: got his quarterback under contract. He's a Denver Bronco. And
Speaker 1: instead of wait until Deshaun Watson gets traded if he does,
Speaker 1: he's talking about the Shawn as a Denver Bronco, how
Speaker 1: much it would be great and he'd love to play
Speaker 1: with him there, and he's got to go back in
Speaker 1: the locker room and deal with and Drew lock. Who
Speaker 1: does that? I mean, I understand if the guy's a
Speaker 1: free agent not coming back, but who who does that?
Speaker 1: But that's where we're at. It just kind of go
Speaker 1: on Twitter say whatever you want going into Yeah, and
Speaker 1: could you imagine Drew Lock walking up to him and say, man,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. You're a good player. But I
Speaker 1: really love Henry Rut your college teammate, because he's better
Speaker 1: at the Raiders. He'd be better here. I'd love him
Speaker 1: and Stefan Bigs insteady. I mean, who who says this
Speaker 1: and insitive? It's a matter of being respectful to your
Speaker 1: teammate and co worker. Yeah. Well, and Jerry Judy I
Speaker 1: that interview was legendary as we're doing this in real
Speaker 1: time because apparently he was really I don't know what
Speaker 1: was going on there, but he was a little out
Speaker 1: of it in the radio. Yeah, he was enjoying himself
Speaker 1: whatever he was doing there. But yeah, we've all had
Speaker 1: those interviews, right Sean, where you're you're doing university on
Speaker 1: the radio and they're just not they're not. I interviewed
Speaker 1: Kareem ab Dul Jabbar one time. He was eating a
Speaker 1: sandwich and he did not stop while we were we
Speaker 1: were doing the interview. I was like, you know, those
Speaker 1: things happened from time to time. They do you know
Speaker 1: what we're all we're all guilty of. Sometimes you just
Speaker 1: heavily involved in something else. What are you going to?
Speaker 1: I'm with you by man and Jerry decided that Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson was his teammate and that Drew Lock wasn't. But
Speaker 1: hey for me to judge that right exactly exactly. Now,
Speaker 1: David Culley the coach, I'm gonna get off to the
Speaker 1: Texas here. But David Culley, this you talk about on
Speaker 1: the left field, like typically you know the drill, you
Speaker 1: and the coaches. There's a list of coaches that and
Speaker 1: you just pretty much picked from that list in the
Speaker 1: coaching hiring carousel. David Coley was not on anyone's list.
Speaker 1: He was on no one's list. Now, what's the reaction
Speaker 1: been in town there in Houston to this guy who
Speaker 1: really didn't have any name value been around the NFL
Speaker 1: for a million years, Like, what's the reaction been? Has
Speaker 1: it been as negative as I believe it's been? Kind
Speaker 1: of like going to the and and I don't mean
Speaker 1: this just kind of like going and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wanted that meal, but okay, I'll get I'll get
Speaker 1: I'll get the the the ice cream that I get
Speaker 1: every time, right, And what I'm saying, I mean by
Speaker 1: that is it's just when when when the feeling was
Speaker 1: blah higher right, not except me, I guess that's what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. It's like he didn't put all
Speaker 1: the toppings on it and get Eric the enemy and
Speaker 1: Robert Salom was gone. So the sextness of it. But
Speaker 1: you know what I have been I had the same
Speaker 1: thing as you. I knew about David Culley is an
Speaker 1: assistant because because I had of regarded but I didn't know.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's I've ever been on a team
Speaker 1: he was on, or sat down and had a long
Speaker 1: conversation with him, so up about sex. He kind of
Speaker 1: sits in the middle of the on the ten range, right,
Speaker 1: that what talking him out. He's just kind of okay.
Speaker 1: He was the last one that anybody who brought. Most
Speaker 1: people didn't know who he was. And not only in
Speaker 1: Aren't town, but you know, not most people. You don't
Speaker 1: know receiver coaches in the NFL, and so you start
Speaker 1: to ask questions and you start to hear people. So
Speaker 1: I asked Brian Mitchell played for him. I asked the
Speaker 1: Cleco's uh Cleco who played from Dan who played for him?
Speaker 1: And then uh Allum former coach Gary Kubiak, John Hardball
Speaker 1: and you eat every one of them square by him,
Speaker 1: and they all say leader engaging people respond, Now, I'm
Speaker 1: not a guy. I don't I don't subscribe to you
Speaker 1: have to be a coordinator, never have to be a
Speaker 1: head coach. John Harball was a special team's coach under
Speaker 1: Andy and a defensive back to the coach got the
Speaker 1: job and everybody said, well, he's the other hardball. Well
Speaker 1: he's now the hardball and Jim's the other hardball right now.
Speaker 1: John's the hell of a coach, one of the best
Speaker 1: in the league. And it's how you're trained. Hey, you
Speaker 1: don't have to call plays. That's not a prerequisite in
Speaker 1: my mind, some of it is. But more importantly, it's like,
Speaker 1: who's the sexy one? Most people don't even know Eric
Speaker 1: because he's on the Chiefs. The lead has been through
Speaker 1: it and he's earned it, and he's put himself in
Speaker 1: position to do all these interviews. Still surprised he's got hired,
Speaker 1: and I he was a guy I wanted. But you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't know how he doesn't interview sots, Like,
Speaker 1: of all the candidates there tom about eight ten people.
Speaker 1: He was one to oh, that's not gonna happen, and
Speaker 1: it happened. So but I'm willing to give a guy
Speaker 1: a chance. And why is because resume sixty fives, so
Speaker 1: I can care less about a can reach the players
Speaker 1: a thirty or sixty five. And I have yet to
Speaker 1: talk to a person who said that he hasn't reached players. Guys.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about where there's a chasm, and I mean
Speaker 1: in age and everything. So I'm willing to getting a shot.
Speaker 1: And if he comes that highly regarded by these guys,
Speaker 1: we're never gonna know still whether he's thirty five year old,
Speaker 1: two year old when got hired or whatever. Thirty year
Speaker 1: olds Shot McVeigh sixty five year old David call. I'm
Speaker 1: happy for him gets an opportunity after all these years.
Speaker 1: Of course you're gonna take it, and now you've got
Speaker 1: to seize the moment, go after it and hopefully put
Speaker 1: a full staff the comfortable with together. Those are the
Speaker 1: guys that need to be the excess and those guys,
Speaker 1: those guys have been around. He might need a CEO
Speaker 1: who's a great leader of men and who maximizes the
Speaker 1: building and coaches his coaches and then empowers them to
Speaker 1: do their jobs. So I'm willing to see how this
Speaker 1: works out because I've seen plenty of great coordinators that
Speaker 1: sucked as head coaches. I've seen plenty of position coaches
Speaker 1: that sucked his coordinators. So if you can lead men
Speaker 1: and get your coaches to coach, and there's accountability in
Speaker 1: the building and communication and trust, it'll w But I
Speaker 1: think for most part men, You're right that everybody's like,
Speaker 1: who who who is this? And it was just kind
Speaker 1: of the blaw higher. But I'm rooting for David Culley
Speaker 1: because you know what, after all this time to stay
Speaker 1: the course and nobody, nobody at sixty five things they're
Speaker 1: getting their first head coaching job. Usually they're saying, I
Speaker 1: want my last head coaching job. So good for him,
Speaker 1: and I hope I hope he you know, grasps Houston,
Speaker 1: and I hope Houston and the fans grab onto him,
Speaker 1: and a lot of that will be part and parcel
Speaker 1: of what they do with the roster, which they don't
Speaker 1: have obviously their first time pick, because Hare has got
Speaker 1: his work cut out for shall what would you do
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh? Rothlisberger turns thirty nine in March and it
Speaker 1: would be a bad situation if they finished middle of
Speaker 1: the road seven and nine, eight and eight, nine and
Speaker 1: seven in the following year. But it almost feels like
Speaker 1: to me, this is like an Eli Manning situation. Not
Speaker 1: to say that he's as bad as Manning was towards
Speaker 1: the tail end of his career, but would either want
Speaker 1: to be really good and compete for a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: or be really bad and get a high draft high
Speaker 1: draft pick. I mean they're neither of that, right, right,
Speaker 1: and and well that's the way truthfully then, And this
Speaker 1: is the France I have so much respect for. They're
Speaker 1: never gonna be the Steelers are always gonna hover. They
Speaker 1: got a great coach. The continuity of front office ownership,
Speaker 1: head coach, general manager, quarterback, the continuity for that franchise
Speaker 1: is but going on from Chuck Nolan brand, I mean
Speaker 1: right on down the continuity. And you look around great
Speaker 1: franchises and all sports, the continuity from top down to
Speaker 1: your and you just your your manager. And although managers
Speaker 1: changed with the continuities, and especially in football, it just
Speaker 1: is not only on a position and go on the field,
Speaker 1: but in the pecking order of of of building a franchise,
Speaker 1: and the Steelers are always gonna be. That's how Ben
Speaker 1: got there. Remember what was the eleven or ten or
Speaker 1: twelve pick somewhere in there where it was like, well
Speaker 1: does he go higher? He thought he was going higher,
Speaker 1: and he fell to Pittsburgh and it was the greatest
Speaker 1: fault that he could ever want. And like and Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: you're saying, well, I'm not on a team that needs
Speaker 1: to rebuild. I'm on a team that needs you. And
Speaker 1: so for me, the Steelers here, I would do Ben
Speaker 1: still listen when he's health he still about four thousand
Speaker 1: yards and thirty touchdowns in him. The movement's not quite
Speaker 1: the same the it's if there's something a little bit.
Speaker 1: They were more of a check down sideways team than
Speaker 1: the normal Ben Roethlisberger were used to most of the time.
Speaker 1: If it was me, I don't think Hapkins is a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. And now they got obviously, I don't believe
Speaker 1: that Mason Rudolph the franchise quarterback. I would keep Ben
Speaker 1: and I would go see how if I could find
Speaker 1: a tree Lance. If you thought Mac Jones, who's a
Speaker 1: lot like Ben, smart, accurate with the football, big guy,
Speaker 1: not a great runner but underrated to get you a
Speaker 1: few extra yards. And he's been such a fast riser
Speaker 1: since he got a starting job, and he'll be the
Speaker 1: one that's drafted later in this draft of the first round,
Speaker 1: I would go draft the quarterback or possibly trade for
Speaker 1: Sam Donald. You know, if if the Jets are gonna
Speaker 1: go because Donald had a horrible coach in New York.
Speaker 1: If Donald and I've talked about five, six, seven guys
Speaker 1: that are in the know that if he's played the
Speaker 1: position smarter than me, or in the in the front
Speaker 1: office or coached, that's all believed to a man that
Speaker 1: if Donald was coached right and on the right roster
Speaker 1: with better players, that that Donald is gonna be in
Speaker 1: the quote I quote unquote star in the league. They
Speaker 1: believe he's got a big time upside. So if you
Speaker 1: could land a guy liked his appe man on a
Speaker 1: good roster with his arms, skills and his ability to move,
Speaker 1: this is pretty cool. So I would. I would then
Speaker 1: probably gonna come and start if he doesn't retire, but
Speaker 1: I would. It's time to start looking for the not
Speaker 1: not not just kind of the guy like Mason Rudolph
Speaker 1: or kind of a guy. It's time to go. Like Haskins,
Speaker 1: it's let's go get that guy, as Zach will in
Speaker 1: a trade lance that we think is our next guy,
Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh is good at finding those guys. Speak about
Speaker 1: the next guy. Can you get into the mind of
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck? Do you think he comes back? You know,
Speaker 1: I talked to his dad about a year and a
Speaker 1: half ago, a little over a year ago, and he
Speaker 1: was peaceful with his decision. And the only thing about
Speaker 1: this sport at that position now I heay. I if
Speaker 1: somebody sits on here's a hundred bucks and here's the
Speaker 1: odds and the underdog odds. If you're getting, you know,
Speaker 1: a bunch of money, You're going a bunch of bucks
Speaker 1: by betting two hundred bucks and a hundred bucks on
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck coming back, and you're gonna get great odds.
Speaker 1: I'd probably put it on there just for fun on
Speaker 1: a future's bet. I could see that. But you know,
Speaker 1: the longer you're removed from it, while you may be hungry,
Speaker 1: the more that the tougher effort is to get yourself
Speaker 1: ready to play in the off seas. That's that's why
Speaker 1: guys like when when when players retired like a Philip Rivers.
Speaker 1: He can still throw for four thousand yards. The problem
Speaker 1: is all that off season work you gotta put in
Speaker 1: to try and stay ready, and it's the off seasons
Speaker 1: that are tougher grinding in the season because then you
Speaker 1: get to play in the competition. So I'm not ruling
Speaker 1: out Luck because depending on how peaceful. If he's loving
Speaker 1: what he's doing, then he may he may not come
Speaker 1: back if he finds, you know, solid peace in this
Speaker 1: and he won't come back. But it was a bummer
Speaker 1: because I think with that offensive line, we were just
Speaker 1: starting to get a field for he was gonna have
Speaker 1: the players that you drafted him for a good offensive line,
Speaker 1: and you get Clinton Nelson and then you can build
Speaker 1: it and you get Leonard on defense, and you start
Speaker 1: to do this with a good front office guy. So
Speaker 1: I'm not ruling it out. What a wild card that
Speaker 1: would be if he decided to come back, But he
Speaker 1: seems like he beats too A little bit different drum
Speaker 1: Mike Gutt would say if I was sitting there and
Speaker 1: he had and I had to pick on and I'd
Speaker 1: say that the guys, once he's walked away, is gonna
Speaker 1: stay away. But I think that a lot of guys
Speaker 1: in the city, you realize if you want to come back,
Speaker 1: to do it sooner than later, because once you're four
Speaker 1: or five years out, I honestly what you may be
Speaker 1: able to regain it. It's really hard. This is that's
Speaker 1: a tough, especially if that position you gotta be all
Speaker 1: in or rubble. And if he's only and Andrew Luck,
Speaker 1: the Andrew Luck we saw before he left. I'll ask
Speaker 1: this because Ben is an absolute homer, but getting Stafford,
Speaker 1: getting getting Stafford, do you think that puts the Rams
Speaker 1: in that upper echelon that they can compete for a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I'll betch you. I'll bet you that Stafford
Speaker 1: is in the m v P Talk next year. I'll
Speaker 1: bet you that that that McVeigh cuts him loose, meaning
Speaker 1: they does all the things that Stafford was one were
Speaker 1: able to do in the train because well they didn't
Speaker 1: have any players at no time when he was there
Speaker 1: did he have. You know, some guys will get into
Speaker 1: it and you're like, like, we say Pittsburgh, where they
Speaker 1: could run it and they had receivers, they played defense,
Speaker 1: they got the quarterback coaching staff. You're like, damn, this
Speaker 1: is really cool. You know, one time he had Reggie
Speaker 1: Bush to rush over a thousand ducks and he had
Speaker 1: Megatroum but not a lot of other weapons. And then
Speaker 1: he had you know that the defense is trying to
Speaker 1: get better, but never dominant. He's never had a team
Speaker 1: where he walked in and said, all the best in
Speaker 1: the division. Now the Rams may I'll be the best
Speaker 1: in division cause us is there in a healthy forty
Speaker 1: Niners team and kinda Murray. That's a brutal division. But
Speaker 1: with McVeigh, they got three of the best players that
Speaker 1: the top ten players who position. Donald's the best, Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey's top three, and Stafford is still a top ten
Speaker 1: guy because he can rip it. He's competitive, he's got
Speaker 1: high football skill set in i Q and rejuvenated man
Speaker 1: to get back into that and knowing that you're the guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he's gonna win Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: but they did upgrade and that's no disrespected Garrett Doll.
Speaker 1: Matt's hafter, just a better player. So this this is
Speaker 1: we're just gonna be fun to watch, and I actually
Speaker 1: believe you're gonna see him. He will not shock me
Speaker 1: if he has his most peaceful season. But also his
Speaker 1: best season as a pro. And when you look at me,
Speaker 1: I think you out of the York season, he's taped
Speaker 1: full of forty had meaning ten picks, the tended twelve picks,
Speaker 1: forty touchdowns and sixties five percent, sixty six percent completed
Speaker 1: percentage and a QDR of you know, a hundred and
Speaker 1: getting his team in the class. And once he gets in,
Speaker 1: remember that year he had when he every single game
Speaker 1: he was bringing teams back. He's a dangerous weapon, an
Speaker 1: assault from Allen and Mahomes. I don't think anybody in
Speaker 1: the league throws it has the army has. I still
Speaker 1: think in his early thirtie he's that guy. I think
Speaker 1: this is a great upgrade. And Sean McVeigh said, if
Speaker 1: we don't win drafts, but we don't want to, I
Speaker 1: don't care about when the trades. They care about winning
Speaker 1: super Bowls. And it may have been a different you know,
Speaker 1: they may have been closer if Stafford was their quarterback then.
Speaker 1: And I think they learned a lot about Jared Goffer
Speaker 1: in their mind when they got rid of him, because
Speaker 1: they're probably not sure that he can handle the pressure
Speaker 1: of a Super Bowl. I hope he can, and I
Speaker 1: hope he succeeds because I root for him to Staffords
Speaker 1: a better player. So, Sean, where are you at on
Speaker 1: the draft picks? And I The main complaint against the
Speaker 1: Rams is well, they have no first round picks. They're
Speaker 1: gonna go seven years without a first round pick because
Speaker 1: of all the trades they made. I have no problem
Speaker 1: with it because you can get players elsewhere in the draft.
Speaker 1: Where do you fall on that conversation that you know
Speaker 1: the Rams front office is to completely botch this because
Speaker 1: they keep trading where a first round picks. Listen, Stafford
Speaker 1: is better than the first one team pick the draft. Okay,
Speaker 1: hey listen, I I like assets too. We get so
Speaker 1: caught up. Oh you've got a half picks? Did you
Speaker 1: look at the list since like two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: two thousand and six to two thousand and seven team,
Speaker 1: do you know that there's only one quarterback one of
Speaker 1: all the first rounders when we go to the I'm
Speaker 1: kind of bat to book the boatload up. It's on
Speaker 1: the same team he was on when he came into league.
Speaker 1: It's hard to find these guys, man, and Stafford was
Speaker 1: one of those going to stay in. It's Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: and Stafford's one of those guys and he just left,
Speaker 1: so they're talking. It's hard. I can listen. I don't
Speaker 1: care about six years from now. I always get that wall.
Speaker 1: We're trying to build something for seven years from now.
Speaker 1: By that prime McBey will be fired if they could
Speaker 1: you know what saying I mean about thinking that. Listen
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chief salary captain thinking of either they're
Speaker 1: thinking we're gonna win and milk this while we can
Speaker 1: and go get it. And you know what, they may
Speaker 1: not have a first rounder for seven years. I guess
Speaker 1: who you can do what up all of a sudden
Speaker 1: two years Jalen Ramsey is all of a sudden thing,
Speaker 1: well maybe just it's different. Wants out shift him for
Speaker 1: a two seconds and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: go trade that for first Listen, there's always maneuvering, just
Speaker 1: like you can manipulate the salary cap. I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about what's going to happen, and honestly I'm not so
Speaker 1: I want to win now and if it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: we'll we group and do it again. The NFL, of
Speaker 1: all the sports, you can turn this. You could be
Speaker 1: two and four team one year, like the text four
Speaker 1: and twelve, a player here six in play the game
Speaker 1: and a quarterback and guess what go from four and twelve?
Speaker 1: And it's get a little luck where you're not fumbling
Speaker 1: the ball to goal line against the Colts twice, and
Speaker 1: now you're a mate. And then the next year in
Speaker 1: the six back in the playoffs, so they well think
Speaker 1: about it. In just a year and about two weeks
Speaker 1: ago this team was twenty four and nothing in the
Speaker 1: second corner over the Chiefs, and now look at him.
Speaker 1: So it can go up and it can go down.
Speaker 1: I I listen, I'd love assets, I'd love both, okay,
Speaker 1: But the truth for me is these people that get
Speaker 1: so caught up in first round picks go up and
Speaker 1: now listen, there's plenty a third round pick. Sure you'd
Speaker 1: end up being better than the first round team. So
Speaker 1: I can live without him if I think I'm a
Speaker 1: super Bowl team now just giving them away and making
Speaker 1: stupid trades and tan guys that are free agents that
Speaker 1: are passed their best football, and then then you're just
Speaker 1: an idiot. You won't be long for your job. But
Speaker 1: I don't have one ounce a problem of them giving
Speaker 1: me too, getting given up a couple of first round
Speaker 1: picks and another pick four Matt Stafford. If they think
Speaker 1: and then and Stafford's got five years by that time,
Speaker 1: they may have another first round of Matt staff for
Speaker 1: the thirty six thirty that he's done and he had
Speaker 1: his career, then go, you'll be time for another first
Speaker 1: round pick. Okay, you trade handing, there's a way to
Speaker 1: do it. I'm more interested in guys that can help
Speaker 1: me win over the next few years than I am
Speaker 1: ten years from now. I could care less about that
Speaker 1: unless you got am home turn Watson you're building as
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I'm not worried about the first round pick
Speaker 1: in he right now isn't about the sixth grade, So
Speaker 1: I don't really care. Yeah, hey, Sean, we're up against it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Continued success with your show. Who are
Speaker 1: you picking? On the Super Bowl? By the way, who
Speaker 1: you got? I got August? I took Tampa Bay if
Speaker 1: I took Tampa Bay beat in Kansas City on my
Speaker 1: show and preseason predictions in August, So every now and
Speaker 1: I get something right, and that Brady is the MP.
Speaker 1: T All got the Tampa Bay Buccaneers thirty one dramatic
Speaker 1: Brady wins another m v P and went another Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I'm going with Tampa Bay, all right, I'm going the
Speaker 1: other way. I'm taking the Chiefs. Listen, Sean. Continued success,
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, appreciate have a great weekend. You
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