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This this podcast available every week 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.479 and it's the Friday Podcast because four hours a night 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.800 in the overnight clearly not enough. And this is an 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.640 interview podcast with Gascon again over here. But this is 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.320 an interview podcast Gascount. So it's not about you. Okay, 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.960 it's not about you. But this podcast we are gonna 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.280 welcome in here in a couple of minutes. The great 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:07.080 Sean Salisbury. Now Sean played at USC back and they 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:11.679 bounced around the NFL. I remember him most as a 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:15.040 Minnesota Viking quarterback. But he he went to training camp 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:16.480 with some other teams. I think he even did a 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.640 stint in the Canadian Football League. Like a lot of 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:21.560 people know him more from his TV stuff. He was 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.720 at ESPN for a long time and has done a 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:29.240 bunch of different media work and and right now you 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.440 can hear him if you're listening in the Houston area 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.800 or if you want to listen online. Sean is a 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:39.280 morning drive talk show host in Houston and every morning 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.920 he cranks out those radio shows from six to ten 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.680 AM on seven ninety Sports Talk seven ninety and Houston, 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.480 which happens to be the home of the Ben Mallor 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:54.200 Show in Houston, and that is also where the Astros 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.440 and Rockets games are played on the radio. We've had 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.800 a love hate relationship with our friends in Houston, but 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.560 we are excited to have Sean on Washington back in 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:09.399 the day on ESPN and very opinionated guy and good 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:13.600 good at giving takes on on NFL. Obviously that's his 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.560 bread and butter, but all things, he's a morning guy, 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.040 so he talks about all sports. But this is gonna 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.400 be an NFL heavy podcast, and so let's welcome in 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.079 Sean Salisburg. Guess why don't we start since year in 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:27.480 the Houston Morning Guy, we should start with Deshaun Watson. Sean, 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.040 thanks for coming on with us. But how does this 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.760 Deshaun Watson's story end. He apparently wants out of Houston. 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.919 The Texans are claiming they don't really want to get 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.240 rid of him, at least that's the public position. So 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:45.600 how does this story end? Well, I think you'd be insane, Bennon, 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.079 It's great to be on with you too. How to 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.280 even consider trading him? I mean I would exhaust every 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.000 option to keep him on the roster. I mean you're 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.600 talking about other than Patrick Mahomes over the next decade. 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.679 This is the best ask it to build a team 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.000 around for ten years. Now too, you'd say Rogers or 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.320 one of those guys is in the mix. But over 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.920 the next ten it's Mahomes Watson second. And then there's 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:10.800 the gap between the three. And yeah, I'm including Conlor 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.040 Marie and Lamar Jackson and Baker Mayson, all of them. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.240 Watson second, and he would command a major hall. I 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.000 get it, but I understand disgruntled. And it may come 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:20.840 to the point where it's say, if he's got the 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:22.919 guts to hold out and I'm on his side because 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.120 they came away with you know, the trust and trust 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.560 matters for a lot of guys. He's a principled guy. Um, 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.920 he's a dedicated guy. Trust and communication when they there's 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:34.880 a misconception that he went and told them he wanted 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.520 to say. They came to him and asked for input, 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.440 and then they didn't ask for his input after they 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:40.800 told him they'd give it to him. So I get 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.960 his distrust in the easter be cowed dysfunction. It's probably, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.440 excuse me, the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL right now. 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.800 And that's saying something, Ben. You've covered the sport in 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.440 the sports world for a long time, so uh, for 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.000 for me, I would think that if I was the 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.320 GM or the owner, I'd say And the talk is 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.760 that they aren't answering calls out it that they were 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.600 saying we're not interested. But you know that can change. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.120 So it's never all or nothing, I guess. But if 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.080 Watson has the guts to hold out a forty million 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.200 bucks not play a season, then you've got to say 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.240 who's Who's who's stronger to call the bluff? I mean, 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.120 are you gonna sit out we're a long ways from that. 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:17.360 But I wouldn't trade him. I wouldn't trade a guy 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.640 who's that good. But if it was unfixable, the hall 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.159 for for And that's the way people feel in town. 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.080 It's Watson. Two of the people are like, well, he's 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.640 under contract, he should just show up and play, regardless 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.159 of what happened to blah blah blah. And if you're 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.800 you know, ownership or management, when they're piss they can 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.520 say something about you, but when you've got a problem 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.160 as a player, you're not supposed to talk. That's, you know, 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.520 the old school philosophy. Right, Well, things are changing, so 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:48.560 for me then I would think that if you traded Watson, 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.120 I wouldn't answer your call. If alls you were offering 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.840 me his three first round picks, i'd say, I'd say, 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:56.520 if it came to the point where we had to 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.080 get rid of him, I'm gonna make your franchise hurts 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.120 so bad, whether you the forty Niners or the Dolphins 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.839 of the Jets, that I'm gutting your franchise to the 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.840 point that when you do trade for Watson, as good 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.400 as he is, that you're gonna ask the room that's 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.560 in that room and making this decision. Did we make 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:14.200 the right move even though we're going to get a 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.880 franchise changing quarterback. That's how bad it's got to hurt you. 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.599 I'll see you, Stafford, and I'll raise you a double. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.279 Is what exactly people are thinking when it comes to 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.480 Deshaun Watson in this town. Yeah, and you know, I've 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.159 talked about Watson a lot because it's a big story obviously, 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.320 and my thing and I can't wrap my head around 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.240 I know, the trust deal which you brought up. But 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.360 the Texans, it's not like they just became dysfunctional. You're 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.280 there every day, Sean, your your cover and I mean 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.000 Bill O'Brien was still the coach and the GM when 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.440 Watson signed the extension. So and it's it's not like 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.640 this is a new phenomen It's not a case. My 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.840 point is, it's not bait and switch. So what is 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.320 really going on here? Is this an ownership situation with 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.599 I know, the owner passed away and the kids running 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.040 the team now? Is it? Is it a higher level 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:05.719 situation with the Texans? It is. It's it's the fact 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.520 that I think and we well, this isn't just a 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.560 one off thing. And where it's like, oh, this happened 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.080 that they promised him this, Now that I think this 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.480 was the capper, you know, the O'Brien thing, the trade 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.960 into DeAndre Hopkins without telling you know, was just out 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.920 of nowhere, right, And it's a it's cumulative, man. It's 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:25.640 it's not just one thing, because a lot of times 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.960 we all are offended by something somebody says, um, and 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:31.720 it's like, Okay, let's let's try to sit down and 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.720 fix it. It's like, at some point you think that 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.680 whether it's Deshaun or the front office, Nick Cassario, the 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.520 new GM, he wasn't here during the dysfunction. Neither was 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.680 David Culley. So I'm hoping to Shaun and then say 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.360 we're grown ass man. Let's sit down for a second 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:46.360 and let's just spend a couple of hours and see 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.400 if we can't find out and hear hear out, hear 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.400 you out what what concerns you. And I'd be willing 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.360 to do that because this is a great football player 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.200 and a great human. But then you make a good 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:00.359 point is you signed a contract when there was dysfunction, um, 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.320 and you knew. I mean, you've been on a dysfunctional 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.720 franchise with a dysfunctional owner. God rest Mr mcnersle but 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:08.680 post him and even when he was there, if you 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.560 remember the race issue about inmates and stuff, and that 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.640 the players were bothered by that. So this is a 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.640 deeper issue, I promise you, than just a one off thing. 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.120 And then you know this too in life and and 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.840 other things. Sometimes like in a relationship, right a marriage, 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.600 which this is supposed to be, sometimes the dude just 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.000 wants out or the girl wants out. They've just had 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.240 they don't want to do anymore. And for what you 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.600 could talk and go out to dinner and drink wine 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.080 and say, and then the next day it's like going 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:37.800 back to I don't want to do it. So maybe 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:39.840 it gets to the point that he just wants out. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.920 And if he does, then at some point in time 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:44.720 you've got to have a come to Jesus, not only 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.280 with him but with your own front office and say, listen, 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.600 it isn't gonna work. How are we going to move 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.200 on from this? And then you next as he's held 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.240 you hostage, need to go hold franchise as hostage and 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.120 say you ain't getting him. For two first rounders and 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.360 two a sorry, dude, that's not enough of a gut punch. 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.000 That's what they have to do. But if the front office, 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:06.560 we shouldn't be in this situation. Ben, you know this, 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.440 when you sign a guy you've been covering sports this long, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.960 We've never seen this. We we we've never seen five 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.080 year old, forty million dollar quarterback in the prime of 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.960 his career where it's come to this in this sport. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.920 Other sports we have hell and Houston hardened. We've seen 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:23.920 it twice. So Harden was part of it too. So 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:26.760 you get to a point where it's like, since we 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:28.720 haven't seen it, then I've I've got to find a 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.760 way that you're gonna have to mortgage some of your 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.079 franchise to do it to get him. And if you're 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.000 willing to do that, then if it's if it's beyond fixing, 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.280 then we've got to address that. But if I was 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.160 a GM here or if somebody you know, thinking somebody else, 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:42.720 it should have never got to this. We should be 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.480 enjoying the fruits of Deshaun Watson. And now we're talking 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.120 to a guy that now now to other teams have 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.520 supposedly jumped in the fray. If there's an offer on 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.319 the table and he wants out. I'm sure they'll entertain 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.280 it at some point. Well, you're a football guy, you 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.480 played the sport and all that, You've been around it forever. 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.960 And this is, as you reference, this is an NBA 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.920 type move the Shaun Watson store, it's an NBA. Is 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.680 this going to become I don't think it is. But 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.959 is this going to become more prevalent in the NFL 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.720 now that because of social media and some other factors 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.000 here that we we're gonna end up seeing more of 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.320 these star players who are unhappy just strong arm their 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:23.600 way out of town like they do in other sports. Yeah, 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.280 maybe more, but I don't know. And unlike the NBA, 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.560 I mean I think there's more stars. When I say stars, 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.120 since there's five guys on the court, the superstars control 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.680 more in the In the NBA, they just do week 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:38.679 I can grow through him. At some point, Luca is 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.480 going to control what he wants to do, right, Janice 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.880 does we liewle Lebron has how guys like Paul George 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.120 and James Harden and I mean they do. So there's 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.520 a bunch of let's say there's a dozen of them 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.520 in the NBA. If you went down the pecking order Lebron, 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.880 if Steph Curry, I'm sure at some point I wanted 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.640 to control his. He could k d you know the 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.559 controlled here. I mean you can now we look in 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.400 the NFL. How many of those sacred cows are there? 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.560 I mean, Watson is controlling it. Mahomes is locked up 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.680 for like forty seven years, so probably won't come to that, 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.360 but he could. Rogers is starting to do. We've heard 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.480 Rodgers talk about it, and you know, apparently wants a 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.600 new deal. So maybe him. But I think he wants 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:20.520 to play. I actually do think he wants to play 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.640 his career in Green Bay after that. Baker is not 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.480 at the point yet. Lamar can't control that yet because 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.320 they're still wondering what he said. Josh Allen's not there 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.600 just yet. He's still got much to prove, So we 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.679 have less volume of those guys that completely because I 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.440 hate to say it, but a pass rushing defensive end, 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.480 even though he may be dominant like Myles Garrett or 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:43.320 Nick Bosa, there the quarterback, the tenth best quarterback in 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.400 the league is always going to bring more value than 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.800 the best pass rusher. He just is and on the ball. 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.080 I mean, so the best thing you could be is 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:53.680 that as dominant as you want, bring LT back and 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.200 it's still Lawrence Tanner I'm talking about, and he's not 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.000 gonna be able to dictate if a franchise, Okay, oh 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:00.760 you want to hold out, great, we'll put another guy 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:02.640 in there. Our quarterback will hold it out for us. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.040 Not that they're not important, but a left tackle and 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.400 those guys aren't gonna dictated. So I think more would 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.600 like to think that they got that poll. But we're 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.480 at a point now, Ben think about it. Jerry Judy 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:17.440 today says, oh, man love to have Deshaun Watson. He's 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.520 got his quarterback under contract. He's a Denver Bronco. And 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.280 instead of wait until Deshaun Watson gets traded if he does, 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.000 he's talking about the Shawn as a Denver Bronco, how 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:27.840 much it would be great and he'd love to play 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.760 with him there, and he's got to go back in 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:31.959 the locker room and deal with and Drew lock. Who 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.400 does that? I mean, I understand if the guy's a 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.679 free agent not coming back, but who who does that? 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.720 But that's where we're at. It just kind of go 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.160 on Twitter say whatever you want going into Yeah, and 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.280 could you imagine Drew Lock walking up to him and say, man, 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.120 I'll tell you what. You're a good player. But I 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.760 really love Henry Rut your college teammate, because he's better 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.400 at the Raiders. He'd be better here. I'd love him 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.199 and Stefan Bigs insteady. I mean, who who says this 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.320 and insitive? It's a matter of being respectful to your 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.880 teammate and co worker. Yeah. Well, and Jerry Judy I 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.760 that interview was legendary as we're doing this in real 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.120 time because apparently he was really I don't know what 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:06.520 was going on there, but he was a little out 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:11.880 of it in the radio. Yeah, he was enjoying himself 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.480 whatever he was doing there. But yeah, we've all had 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.800 those interviews, right Sean, where you're you're doing university on 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.000 the radio and they're just not they're not. I interviewed 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:20.800 Kareem ab Dul Jabbar one time. He was eating a 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.480 sandwich and he did not stop while we were we 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.880 were doing the interview. I was like, you know, those 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.480 things happened from time to time. They do you know 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.640 what we're all we're all guilty of. Sometimes you just 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:32.719 heavily involved in something else. What are you going to? 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:36.200 I'm with you by man and Jerry decided that Deshaun 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.920 Watson was his teammate and that Drew Lock wasn't. But 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:43.040 hey for me to judge that right exactly exactly. Now, 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.320 David Culley the coach, I'm gonna get off to the 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.200 Texas here. But David Culley, this you talk about on 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.719 the left field, like typically you know the drill, you 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.520 and the coaches. There's a list of coaches that and 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.480 you just pretty much picked from that list in the 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.800 coaching hiring carousel. David Coley was not on anyone's list. 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.320 He was on no one's list. Now, what's the reaction 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.960 been in town there in Houston to this guy who 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.680 really didn't have any name value been around the NFL 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:14.960 for a million years, Like, what's the reaction been? Has 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.720 it been as negative as I believe it's been? Kind 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:19.400 of like going to the and and I don't mean 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.000 this just kind of like going and you're like, oh, 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.360 I wanted that meal, but okay, I'll get I'll get 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:26.719 I'll get the the the ice cream that I get 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.439 every time, right, And what I'm saying, I mean by 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.960 that is it's just when when when the feeling was 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.400 blah higher right, not except me, I guess that's what 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.000 I'm trying to say. It's like he didn't put all 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.000 the toppings on it and get Eric the enemy and 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.120 Robert Salom was gone. So the sextness of it. But 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:43.480 you know what I have been I had the same 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.920 thing as you. I knew about David Culley is an 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.240 assistant because because I had of regarded but I didn't know. 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:50.640 You know, it's it's I've ever been on a team 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.959 he was on, or sat down and had a long 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.839 conversation with him, so up about sex. He kind of 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.600 sits in the middle of the on the ten range, right, 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:01.760 that what talking him out. He's just kind of okay. 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:03.840 He was the last one that anybody who brought. Most 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:05.880 people didn't know who he was. And not only in 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.480 Aren't town, but you know, not most people. You don't 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.840 know receiver coaches in the NFL, and so you start 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.839 to ask questions and you start to hear people. So 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:18.079 I asked Brian Mitchell played for him. I asked the 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:23.080 Cleco's uh Cleco who played from Dan who played for him? 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:28.480 And then uh Allum former coach Gary Kubiak, John Hardball 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.080 and you eat every one of them square by him, 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:35.200 and they all say leader engaging people respond, Now, I'm 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.600 not a guy. I don't I don't subscribe to you 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.240 have to be a coordinator, never have to be a 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.680 head coach. John Harball was a special team's coach under 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.720 Andy and a defensive back to the coach got the 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.600 job and everybody said, well, he's the other hardball. Well 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.400 he's now the hardball and Jim's the other hardball right now. 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:51.840 John's the hell of a coach, one of the best 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.240 in the league. And it's how you're trained. Hey, you 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.200 don't have to call plays. That's not a prerequisite in 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.800 my mind, some of it is. But more importantly, it's like, 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.680 who's the sexy one? Most people don't even know Eric 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.520 because he's on the Chiefs. The lead has been through 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.320 it and he's earned it, and he's put himself in 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.200 position to do all these interviews. Still surprised he's got hired, 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.600 and I he was a guy I wanted. But you 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.920 know what, I don't know how he doesn't interview sots, Like, 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.640 of all the candidates there tom about eight ten people. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:20.880 He was one to oh, that's not gonna happen, and 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.200 it happened. So but I'm willing to give a guy 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.800 a chance. And why is because resume sixty fives, so 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.040 I can care less about a can reach the players 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:30.600 a thirty or sixty five. And I have yet to 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:34.760 talk to a person who said that he hasn't reached players. Guys. 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.400 I'm talking about where there's a chasm, and I mean 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.360 in age and everything. So I'm willing to getting a shot. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.840 And if he comes that highly regarded by these guys, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.480 we're never gonna know still whether he's thirty five year old, 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:47.600 two year old when got hired or whatever. Thirty year 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.480 olds Shot McVeigh sixty five year old David call. I'm 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:54.080 happy for him gets an opportunity after all these years. 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.560 Of course you're gonna take it, and now you've got 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.720 to seize the moment, go after it and hopefully put 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.440 a full staff the comfortable with together. Those are the 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:02.920 guys that need to be the excess and those guys, 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.280 those guys have been around. He might need a CEO 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.600 who's a great leader of men and who maximizes the 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.120 building and coaches his coaches and then empowers them to 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.800 do their jobs. So I'm willing to see how this 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.320 works out because I've seen plenty of great coordinators that 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.760 sucked as head coaches. I've seen plenty of position coaches 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:23.480 that sucked his coordinators. So if you can lead men 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.880 and get your coaches to coach, and there's accountability in 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.440 the building and communication and trust, it'll w But I 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.960 think for most part men, You're right that everybody's like, 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.720 who who who is this? And it was just kind 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.320 of the blaw higher. But I'm rooting for David Culley 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.640 because you know what, after all this time to stay 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.000 the course and nobody, nobody at sixty five things they're 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.560 getting their first head coaching job. Usually they're saying, I 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.440 want my last head coaching job. So good for him, 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.120 and I hope I hope he you know, grasps Houston, 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.600 and I hope Houston and the fans grab onto him, 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.080 and a lot of that will be part and parcel 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:56.920 of what they do with the roster, which they don't 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.200 have obviously their first time pick, because Hare has got 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.320 his work cut out for shall what would you do 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:05.840 in Pittsburgh? Rothlisberger turns thirty nine in March and it 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.159 would be a bad situation if they finished middle of 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.439 the road seven and nine, eight and eight, nine and 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.919 seven in the following year. But it almost feels like 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.119 to me, this is like an Eli Manning situation. Not 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.120 to say that he's as bad as Manning was towards 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.240 the tail end of his career, but would either want 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.399 to be really good and compete for a Super Bowl 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:24.760 or be really bad and get a high draft high 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.440 draft pick. I mean they're neither of that, right, right, 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.800 and and well that's the way truthfully then, And this 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:33.680 is the France I have so much respect for. They're 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.399 never gonna be the Steelers are always gonna hover. They 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:40.280 got a great coach. The continuity of front office ownership, 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:45.120 head coach, general manager, quarterback, the continuity for that franchise 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.200 is but going on from Chuck Nolan brand, I mean 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.200 right on down the continuity. And you look around great 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.720 franchises and all sports, the continuity from top down to 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.680 your and you just your your manager. And although managers 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.879 changed with the continuities, and especially in football, it just 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:00.680 is not only on a position and go on the field, 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.240 but in the pecking order of of of building a franchise, 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.440 and the Steelers are always gonna be. That's how Ben 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.560 got there. Remember what was the eleven or ten or 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.760 twelve pick somewhere in there where it was like, well 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:11.600 does he go higher? He thought he was going higher, 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.159 and he fell to Pittsburgh and it was the greatest 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.520 fault that he could ever want. And like and Aaron Rodgers, 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.360 you're saying, well, I'm not on a team that needs 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.760 to rebuild. I'm on a team that needs you. And 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.880 so for me, the Steelers here, I would do Ben 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.639 still listen when he's health he still about four thousand 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.720 yards and thirty touchdowns in him. The movement's not quite 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.560 the same the it's if there's something a little bit. 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.119 They were more of a check down sideways team than 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:38.120 the normal Ben Roethlisberger were used to most of the time. 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.119 If it was me, I don't think Hapkins is a 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.680 franchise quarterback. And now they got obviously, I don't believe 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:47.000 that Mason Rudolph the franchise quarterback. I would keep Ben 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:49.680