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Speaker 1: Sean Salisburg. Guess why don't we start since year in

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Speaker 1: the Houston Morning Guy, we should start with Deshaun Watson. Sean,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on with us. But how does this

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's story end. He apparently wants out of Houston.

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Speaker 1: how does this story end? Well, I think you'd be insane, Bennon,

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Speaker 1: It's great to be on with you too. How to

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Speaker 1: This is the best ask it to build a team

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Speaker 1: And that's saying something, Ben. You've covered the sport in

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Speaker 1: I can grow through him. At some point, Luca is

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Speaker 1: or kind of a guy. It's time to go. Like Haskins,

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Speaker 1: it's let's go get that guy, as Zach will in

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Speaker 1: a trade lance that we think is our next guy,

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Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh is good at finding those guys. Speak about

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Speaker 1: the next guy. Can you get into the mind of

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck? Do you think he comes back? You know,

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Speaker 1: I talked to his dad about a year and a

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Speaker 1: half ago, a little over a year ago, and he

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Speaker 1: was peaceful with his decision. And the only thing about

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Speaker 1: this sport at that position now I heay. I if

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Speaker 1: somebody sits on here's a hundred bucks and here's the

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Speaker 1: odds and the underdog odds. If you're getting, you know,

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Speaker 1: a bunch of money, You're going a bunch of bucks

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Speaker 1: by betting two hundred bucks and a hundred bucks on

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck coming back, and you're gonna get great odds.

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Speaker 1: I'd probably put it on there just for fun on

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Speaker 1: a future's bet. I could see that. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the longer you're removed from it, while you may be hungry,

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Speaker 1: the more that the tougher effort is to get yourself

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Speaker 1: ready to play in the off seas. That's that's why

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Speaker 1: guys like when when when players retired like a Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 1: He can still throw for four thousand yards. The problem

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Speaker 1: is all that off season work you gotta put in

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Speaker 1: to try and stay ready, and it's the off seasons

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Speaker 1: that are tougher grinding in the season because then you

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Speaker 1: get to play in the competition. So I'm not ruling

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Speaker 1: out Luck because depending on how peaceful. If he's loving

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Speaker 1: what he's doing, then he may he may not come

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Speaker 1: back if he finds, you know, solid peace in this

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Speaker 1: and he won't come back. But it was a bummer

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Speaker 1: because I think with that offensive line, we were just

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Speaker 1: starting to get a field for he was gonna have

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Speaker 1: the players that you drafted him for a good offensive line,

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Speaker 1: and you get Clinton Nelson and then you can build

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Speaker 1: it and you get Leonard on defense, and you start

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Speaker 1: to do this with a good front office guy. So

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Speaker 1: I'm not ruling it out. What a wild card that

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Speaker 1: would be if he decided to come back, But he

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Speaker 1: seems like he beats too A little bit different drum

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Speaker 1: Mike Gutt would say if I was sitting there and

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Speaker 1: he had and I had to pick on and I'd

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Speaker 1: say that the guys, once he's walked away, is gonna

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Speaker 1: stay away. But I think that a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: in the city, you realize if you want to come back,

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Speaker 1: to do it sooner than later, because once you're four

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Speaker 1: or five years out, I honestly what you may be

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Speaker 1: able to regain it. It's really hard. This is that's

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Speaker 1: a tough, especially if that position you gotta be all

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Speaker 1: in or rubble. And if he's only and Andrew Luck,

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Speaker 1: the Andrew Luck we saw before he left. I'll ask

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Speaker 1: this because Ben is an absolute homer, but getting Stafford,

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Speaker 1: getting getting Stafford, do you think that puts the Rams

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Speaker 1: in that upper echelon that they can compete for a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I'll betch you. I'll bet you that Stafford

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Speaker 1: is in the m v P Talk next year. I'll

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Speaker 1: bet you that that that McVeigh cuts him loose, meaning

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Speaker 1: they does all the things that Stafford was one were

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Speaker 1: able to do in the train because well they didn't

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Speaker 1: have any players at no time when he was there

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Speaker 1: did he have. You know, some guys will get into

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Speaker 1: it and you're like, like, we say Pittsburgh, where they

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Speaker 1: could run it and they had receivers, they played defense,

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Speaker 1: they got the quarterback coaching staff. You're like, damn, this

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Speaker 1: is really cool. You know, one time he had Reggie

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Speaker 1: Bush to rush over a thousand ducks and he had

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Speaker 1: Megatroum but not a lot of other weapons. And then

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Speaker 1: he had you know that the defense is trying to

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Speaker 1: get better, but never dominant. He's never had a team

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Speaker 1: where he walked in and said, all the best in

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Speaker 1: the division. Now the Rams may I'll be the best

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Speaker 1: in division cause us is there in a healthy forty

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Speaker 1: Niners team and kinda Murray. That's a brutal division. But

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Speaker 1: with McVeigh, they got three of the best players that

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Speaker 1: the top ten players who position. Donald's the best, Jalen

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Speaker 1: Ramsey's top three, and Stafford is still a top ten

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Speaker 1: guy because he can rip it. He's competitive, he's got

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Speaker 1: high football skill set in i Q and rejuvenated man

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Speaker 1: to get back into that and knowing that you're the guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if he's gonna win Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: but they did upgrade and that's no disrespected Garrett Doll.

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Speaker 1: Matt's hafter, just a better player. So this this is

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna be fun to watch, and I actually

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Speaker 1: believe you're gonna see him. He will not shock me

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Speaker 1: if he has his most peaceful season. But also his

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Speaker 1: best season as a pro. And when you look at me,

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Speaker 1: I think you out of the York season, he's taped

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Speaker 1: full of forty had meaning ten picks, the tended twelve picks,

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Speaker 1: forty touchdowns and sixties five percent, sixty six percent completed

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Speaker 1: percentage and a QDR of you know, a hundred and

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Speaker 1: getting his team in the class. And once he gets in,

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Speaker 1: remember that year he had when he every single game

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Speaker 1: he was bringing teams back. He's a dangerous weapon, an

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Speaker 1: assault from Allen and Mahomes. I don't think anybody in

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Speaker 1: the league throws it has the army has. I still

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Speaker 1: think in his early thirtie he's that guy. I think

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Speaker 1: this is a great upgrade. And Sean McVeigh said, if

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Speaker 1: we don't win drafts, but we don't want to, I

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Speaker 1: don't care about when the trades. They care about winning

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Speaker 1: super Bowls. And it may have been a different you know,

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Speaker 1: they may have been closer if Stafford was their quarterback then.

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Speaker 1: And I think they learned a lot about Jared Goffer

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Speaker 1: in their mind when they got rid of him, because

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Speaker 1: they're probably not sure that he can handle the pressure

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Speaker 1: of a Super Bowl. I hope he can, and I

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Speaker 1: hope he succeeds because I root for him to Staffords

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Speaker 1: a better player. So, Sean, where are you at on

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Speaker 1: the draft picks? And I The main complaint against the

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Speaker 1: Rams is well, they have no first round picks. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna go seven years without a first round pick because

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Speaker 1: of all the trades they made. I have no problem

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Speaker 1: with it because you can get players elsewhere in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Where do you fall on that conversation that you know

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Speaker 1: the Rams front office is to completely botch this because

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Speaker 1: they keep trading where a first round picks. Listen, Stafford

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Speaker 1: is better than the first one team pick the draft. Okay,

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Speaker 1: hey listen, I I like assets too. We get so

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Speaker 1: caught up. Oh you've got a half picks? Did you

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Speaker 1: look at the list since like two thousand and four,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and six to two thousand and seven team,

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Speaker 1: do you know that there's only one quarterback one of

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Speaker 1: all the first rounders when we go to the I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of bat to book the boatload up. It's on

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Speaker 1: the same team he was on when he came into league.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to find these guys, man, and Stafford was

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Speaker 1: one of those going to stay in. It's Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: and Stafford's one of those guys and he just left,

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Speaker 1: so they're talking. It's hard. I can listen. I don't

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Speaker 1: care about six years from now. I always get that wall.

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Speaker 1: We're trying to build something for seven years from now.

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Speaker 1: By that prime McBey will be fired if they could

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Speaker 1: you know what saying I mean about thinking that. Listen

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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chief salary captain thinking of either they're

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Speaker 1: thinking we're gonna win and milk this while we can

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Speaker 1: and go get it. And you know what, they may

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Speaker 1: not have a first rounder for seven years. I guess

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Speaker 1: who you can do what up all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: two years Jalen Ramsey is all of a sudden thing,

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Speaker 1: well maybe just it's different. Wants out shift him for

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Speaker 1: a two seconds and then all of a sudden you

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Speaker 1: go trade that for first Listen, there's always maneuvering, just

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Speaker 1: like you can manipulate the salary cap. I'm not worried

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Speaker 1: about what's going to happen, and honestly I'm not so

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Speaker 1: I want to win now and if it doesn't work,

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Speaker 1: we'll we group and do it again. The NFL, of

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Speaker 1: all the sports, you can turn this. You could be

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Speaker 1: two and four team one year, like the text four

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Speaker 1: and twelve, a player here six in play the game

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Speaker 1: and a quarterback and guess what go from four and twelve?

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Speaker 1: And it's get a little luck where you're not fumbling

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Speaker 1: the ball to goal line against the Colts twice, and

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Speaker 1: now you're a mate. And then the next year in

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Speaker 1: the six back in the playoffs, so they well think

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Speaker 1: about it. In just a year and about two weeks

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Speaker 1: ago this team was twenty four and nothing in the

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Speaker 1: second corner over the Chiefs, and now look at him.

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Speaker 1: So it can go up and it can go down.

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Speaker 1: I I listen, I'd love assets, I'd love both, okay,

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Speaker 1: But the truth for me is these people that get

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Speaker 1: so caught up in first round picks go up and

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Speaker 1: now listen, there's plenty a third round pick. Sure you'd

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Speaker 1: end up being better than the first round team. So

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Speaker 1: I can live without him if I think I'm a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl team now just giving them away and making

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Speaker 1: stupid trades and tan guys that are free agents that

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Speaker 1: are passed their best football, and then then you're just

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Speaker 1: an idiot. You won't be long for your job. But

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Speaker 1: I don't have one ounce a problem of them giving

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Speaker 1: me too, getting given up a couple of first round

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Speaker 1: picks and another pick four Matt Stafford. If they think

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Speaker 1: and then and Stafford's got five years by that time,

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Speaker 1: they may have another first round of Matt staff for

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Speaker 1: the thirty six thirty that he's done and he had

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Speaker 1: his career, then go, you'll be time for another first

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Speaker 1: round pick. Okay, you trade handing, there's a way to

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Speaker 1: do it. I'm more interested in guys that can help

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Speaker 1: me win over the next few years than I am

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Speaker 1: ten years from now. I could care less about that

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Speaker 1: unless you got am home turn Watson you're building as

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. I'm not worried about the first round pick

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Speaker 1: in he right now isn't about the sixth grade, So

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Speaker 1: I don't really care. Yeah, hey, Sean, we're up against it.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Continued success with your show. Who are

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Speaker 1: you picking? On the Super Bowl? By the way, who

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Speaker 1: you got? I got August? I took Tampa Bay if

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Speaker 1: I took Tampa Bay beat in Kansas City on my

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Speaker 1: show and preseason predictions in August, So every now and

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Speaker 1: I get something right, and that Brady is the MP.

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Speaker 1: T All got the Tampa Bay Buccaneers thirty one dramatic

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Speaker 1: Brady wins another m v P and went another Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I'm going with Tampa Bay, all right, I'm going the

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Speaker 1: other way. I'm taking the Chiefs. Listen, Sean. Continued success,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, appreciate have a great weekend. You

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Speaker 1: guys are all keep casting it. Thanks for having me on.

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